Bros & Shows - Crossover Ep With Shantel & Roxanne (Valley Full Recap + more)

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

What's up bros?? We have ourselves a fun crossover episode with our friends Shantel & Roxanne (AllAboutRH) to talk all about The Valley and so much more. While we agree on a lot more than probably either of us thought, there are of course good discourses about all things Bravo. We really think you'll enjoy this episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We've got our friends, Chantel and Roxanne, also known as All About Real Housewives, to talk about everything in the Bravoverse. And more importantly, because we need to recap the Valley, we talk a lot of Valley Talk, and things get pretty interesting. So I'm not going to go ahead and drum on for too long here. Let's get right into the episode.

As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros.

Hi, guys. What an exciting show we have today. Yes, I'm so excited. I'm so excited because there's a lot of shows coming out that we wanted to talk about, that just got announced on Hulu. Did you guys see what's popping, what's coming out? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And my first question was pretty much, why do they change it to House of Stasi over Stasi says? Because I think Stasi says was such a better title. House of Stasi just gives like House of Gucci. And I, you know, I don't know. It's giving House of Villains. And I'm not crazy about House of Villains. That's exactly what it's doing. And I will say, just,

Just a quick note on House of Villains. Tom Sandivall's back. And I hate it, but I think we all have to acknowledge that he's great. Do you hate it? Kind of? I don't know yet. You got to get over it. There's a statute of limitations with all of that.

He wasn't even a villain in the House of Villains. He was just like a pet. So what are you supposed to do with that? I actually watched this season of House of Villains. Before, it was hard for me to watch. And I'm like, this is actually such a good season. I've heard good things. My wife, she's watching it, just caught up.

And she had nothing but good things to say. She also highlighted Sandoval saying he was actually great. So it's interesting. Isn't it crazy that that's his thing is like these game shows? Like he's like just like a star on them. It's like I don't know if it's got this acting. Like he can act and then he knows how to play it up for the cameras. But he's just like killing it in these reality shows.

Do you think he's actually acting? Yeah. I think he, well, I mean, we know he is acting. The first scene of him pulling up to the house is him rehearsing a line when he gets out of the car. He's like, well, come to this, house of villains. What am I going to do? But, yeah, I think it's like his perfect little niche. If he just does that and he has his little band on the side and just kind of fucks off, I think that's probably best for him.

Although I am one of the people that's clamoring for him to join the Valley because I think the Valley's in trouble. Oh, yeah. We will talk about that because I want to talk about that one. Like there was like a famous TikTok, but we'll talk about it because I do think it's definitely something to note. no tate um when it comes to house of stasi though are you guys excited to see katie maloney back on your screens or does that make you like get me away from watching it no i think katie's great tv i've always liked katy i think that she was one of the reasons that vpr was so good for so long i'm stoked that she's back because i was wondering what she was going to do once the dust settled

from vpr i know that they did the sandwich thing for a little while and i i like katy i think that she should be on our screens. I think that if she had been able to make it to the valley, I think she would have been a great addition there. So I'm stoked. I think she's going to be awesome. Do you think we're overseeing like the people from VPR though on our screens? Like they keep getting chances and chances and it's like can we just leave it alone like from where it was like because like they were they were so great on VPR. So it's like we just, I don't know. I just feel like it's a lot. Like I think we're a lot of people are over them. I think I am. I don't know about you guys. But it's like I wonder what's that she really can bring. Yeah. Like and it's like what can she really

bring now on the show? I mean, we don't know. I think it's a bit unknown what Katie can bring to a show like that because it won't be VPR centric necessarily with the way that Stasi's moving in Vanderpump Villa. It's just, it's such more of a delight. So I think it'll be more of that than the heavy shit that we're seeing over on the valley. But I also do think that like the trip wire is probably Sheena and Brock. When sheena and Brock come back in the main capacity, I think we all need to just check out.

Like all the VPR people do need to go away. Until that happens, I'm okay with splashes here and there. just based off of, again, like how Schwartz and Lala are moving in the valley. Everybody else is kind of coming out of the woodwork, but once Sheena does, I'm like, all right, no, we're done. So the Valley, a lot of people, by the way, are complaining about the Valley this season. And do you think that Sheena is going to say it's because she didn't come back? She hasn't said that already.

Oh, she hasn't. Yeah, I don't think she has. But I'm wondering if she's going to take credit for that. No, Jacks for sure is. But, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we can definitely bank on Sheena Shea She getting involved in some way, shape, or form

and alluding to the fact that, well, it would be good if I was there. It would be canceled by now if she was on it, I think. But yeah, I think that that's par for the course with her. At some point, she's going to speak out. It's going to be on her podcast, and there's going to be a clip of it. And then she's going to promote her book. Bingo. Yeah.

What if I was there? And then she'll just rewrite the entire Valley season, but inserting herself in different situations. This is what I would do. I don't like with she to anyway I mean that's always going to happen I just we got a lot of hate last week because we were both talking about how the valley is in trouble so that was kind I was really unexpected honestly when I was going through the comments I thought that everybody was on the same page there are so many people that are enjoying it and I think that the writings on the wall for that show

it's kind of falling apart we talked it about a little bit and I kind of want to bounce it off of you guys the show was built around jacks in our brains so without jacks there you're kind of have Brittany as the centerpiece and that certainly doesn't work. So that's kind of where we're thinking. I would also like to clarify we are not supporting Jacks, nor do we want him back on our screen. That's just the structure of the show was based around him. Yeah. You know, it's crazy because the TikTok that I was referring to is that someone called it like a something teen mom. And it's kind of, and once I heard that, like now watching last night's episode, I was just like, wait, it kind of is just like this like older teen mom version. And I think that's like where we kind of got

lost a little bit because it's like there's so many juxtapositions with each character like I know sometimes that's okay in a show but it's like everyone's way off it's like you have a you have two single you have like someone who's newly a mom and then you have someone who's a mom for the fourth time but then it's like we're seeing that so much on our screens and then we have people that are single going out at the Belmont like it's just I feel like it is all over the place and there's nothing that bringing them in into the center maybe it was jacks you know I think that's I think that's where it is too well oh go ahead all you I was going to say they are showing Lala and Tom way more.

And those are the scenes that I don't care to watch. So I'm wondering if that's why, because they didn't do that the first two seasons. I think that's definitely part of it. We talked about it on our episode last week. And we labeled it, shooter labeled it like an identity crisis. Like they don't really know what they want this show to be right now. It's starting to be very apparent. because you do.

You have new mom. You have Nia, who has multiple children. And then you have singles dating, like you said. So you have all these different dynamics, which can play into a show, but they haven't figured out how to have a central focal point with everything. So it's kind of messy. We're not fully invested in these storylines because we don't really, I don't feel that close to these characters that much.

Some of the characters are turning out to be pieces of shit. You look at Danny. Danny, I can't stand. Danny anymore. You got Luke who is quite possibly the worst spokesperson for being a new father in the history of new fathers. And as a father, like when he's talking, I'm like, just, just shut up. Like, you don't have to say this stuff. Like, I don't understand. So as you, like, you look across the board with everybody, they just need to try to find a central point. What is this show supposed to be about? Because right now it's about 30 different things. And I don't really care

about any of them. Yeah. And the other thing that we got hate for last week, but look, every week that they do it, I'm proven right. There's no Janet once again, two straight weeks. No Janet, no conflict. There's nothing going on. I don't like Steele said, we're talking about these people's lives and we're kind of jumping around from like, I'm struggling with postpartum to I'm struggling with trying to get my boyfriend to get into the country and he wants to live with me. And now we're shopping for dildos to, oh, yeah, I guess I'm single again. Let me go to an all singles event. and then see Schwartz kind of mope around and try to hook up with different girls that are clearly fans of his from the show and he's acting dumb to it. And then it's like, okay, what are we all doing here? Like we do need something to kind of latch onto. And they did paint Janet as this big villain for

the first two seasons. Now she's just kind of absent because nobody wants to film with her. They don't know what to do. They're just kind of stuck with like, all right, yeah, let's just follow these people around and force some weird situations or issues and see what pops off. But it's just, it's not working in our minds. that's the problem when things get so ugly when they start saying they don't want to film with that person or they're saying they don't want to move forward and that's why i feel like with rote island when we watch that there's already been some petty stuff but they're able to move forward and they're not these shows a lot of these shows are struggling so much with that and i think because things do go too far though it really does so i get it but you're also this is a job so you still have to come back you still have to record with these people you still have to move on although i I hate Janet, though. So I don't know if you guys like her, but I absolutely like her, but she's a necessary evil. Yeah.

It is a necessary evil. Like it's very, very obvious when she's not there because, again, we're looking for that central character, that central focal point to really focus on. She brings that. Love her or hate her, we kind of need that on the show. And it's interesting that you guys said the same thing as far as resolution, conflict resolution. We talk about it a lot, especially like Beverly Hills. a great example. That show's terrible. And they get so upset about, well, I think it's terrible. No, no, we do too. We do too. I was like, oh boy. I got scared for a second.

We die watching it. We have to watch Beverly tonight. Yeah, we hate it too. Don't worry. But you look at that show and they get so upset over the smallest things and that spans seven, eight episodes. Like, we don't care anymore. Rhode Island is doing such a great job. that show is fantastic. Yeah. And it is because they have these conflicts. They're thick-skinned. So they stay in there and they go back and forth.

And then they're able to squash it afterwards and move on from it. And that's what we need. We don't like getting stuck on a trivial storyline for more than two or three episodes. It gets stale, stagnant. It's not fun anymore. So I, yeah, like we need to be able to move on from things. And I understand that the Valley's shtick is like dark. Like we get a lot of dark,

content in there. It's a lot of stuff that, you know, some serious conversations are being had. And I understand that part of it. But at the same time, like Roxanne said, this is a job. Like, you guys need to show up to work. I don't care that you don't like Janet. I don't care that you pissed you off. Go and film with Janet and yell at each other for a while. I don't care. But you need to be able to be in the same room. And the fact that we can't even sit down and have a conversation about cordiality and being able to be like, hey, can we just like be in the same room? We can't even get there. So I don't know. I think there. in trouble. I think they don't really know which way to go right now. But my question to you both

would be, how would you shift it? How would you change things up on the valley to try to resurrect it a little bit? I would take Lala out. I think she, to me, needs to leave. I think she tries to make conversations happen, which is good. She's like a producer pet almost. I don't know. She knows how to do those things, but it feels very forced. It doesn't feel like authentic relationships or anything. And she's getting a lot of screen time. I don't have anything against her either. I just don't like her on the show. Then I do think we'll be forced with seeing Janet a little bit more. I'm actually shocked we don't see Janet because Lala and Janet are super close right now. But maybe they're cutting out scenes. We never really know what they're doing. I think I think the biggest problem too was that

they took away jacks and then they're maybe cutting out janet but then also i think they filmed way too soon for um christin and yeah like i think that might be issue it's like they both are really postpartum like who the heck wants to film i would die yeah and then and then on top of that's like of course their whole world and their whole storylines around a baby and like as moms like of course that's sometimes relatable but you don't want the whole episode like reminding you of your own postpartum it's like a little PTSD too so it's just like it's a lot of talk i think like a lot of talk of just the babies and and seeing that. So I think that's, that might be the issue is that like if they're in a different timing and then maybe like a new character and then remove somebody, I think they can get back

to where they were. Yeah. And there was no real reason to rush back to production for this show. Yeah. I mean, both of them were pretty pregnant at the reunion last year. They were about to have their babies. So why are we rushing back so quickly? There's no sense in doing that. And maybe they thought there's so many people on the show and we're adding Lala and Schwartz and his full time cast members. We're going to have enough. Don't worry about it. But like, again, why are we rushing back to see Jesse and Michelle like as uncomfortable as Michelle is making it? It's still fine. Like they're not fighting every scene.

So there's not a lot to dig into there. Maybe they wanted to see the fallout from Jacks leaving with Brittany's new life. Again, why are we centering an entire show around Brittany? That makes no sense. So the whole thing is just kind of a cluster fuck right now. Yeah. I thought it was going to be good and it was just going to kind of work itself out. And it didn't.

And to Steele's point when he's talking about like and even Roxanne said it, talking about like just fucking kiss. and make up. Like, this is what Rhode Island's doing so well. This is what other Bravo shows do so well. We have to have an entire scene where Danny's like, I don't even want to be in the same room with Jason. Like, I don't really want to see issues between two dudes on a show. It just doesn't really do anything for me.

That's not why we watch reality TV because women are just a lot better at doing it. These two are just like, yeah, you know, I don't even want to be in a room with you. I can't deal with this. We're having so much fun, says Luke. They're not having fun. Like, those scenes aren't that fun to watch you guys at a cigar, a cigar lounge. trying to get over petty bullshit. You actually signed a contract.

You do have to be together. And that comes back to the producers. And they have the worst producers out there. Yeah. Lokeo, I love this show. I don't know why. I know. I love it.

I'm the only person that I get excited. I write thorough notes. I'm like, this is so good. This is so relatable. Like, some of the dark stuff can be relatable. Like, it's okay. That's true. Yeah.

So I'm like, this is good. Like, I like seeing this. And it's not fake. this is like not fake storylines or them saying what could we bring to the show it's all like real stuff that's happening and that a lot of us can relate to but i mean i definitely get what you guys are saying and a lot of people are saying though they miss jacks whether they like him or not they miss him on the show yeah and i think that with certain things you have to draw a boundary like i think that he went way too far i i would be i'm somebody in recovery especially like all that

bullshit last year, like really got under my skin, plus everything else that he's done. Like, I'm good with him not being back. I understand the whole that was left by him not being there. But I do think that there is a relatability, definitely. Like, it's real stuff. And I think that that is both a positive and a negative to the show because it's real, depending on how you take a certain scene, it might hit a little too hard where you're like, ooh, like I was watching my wife and it was getting a.

to the postpartum discussion. And she said the same thing that you said, Chantel. She's like, this is kind of bringing me back. I don't really want to talk about this. So you have that different dynamic to everything. So I think that the relatability has been why this show was so good, especially when it came out. And I think that there's still a big piece of it there that works.

I'm not out on the show by any means. But they need to fine tune it and hone in on exactly what they want to do with it because relatability only lasts for so long. It's like, oh, I can resonate with that. And then it's like, okay, but when are we having fun? Like, can we have some scenes where we're just having a Kiki and laughing and smiling a little bit? Instead of everything, just like, don't, done. And then you get to the next thing, you're like, oh, my God.

Like, why is everyone on this show such a piece of shit? Like, I just, I want a little bit of a reprieve every now and then so that we can have some fun. And then do some of the tougher scenes that we watch. They just need to figure out which angle they want to go. And you know what's funny. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say we're skewering this show, so I'm going to need Roxanne to just kind of go off for a couple minutes

and just tell us why we're wrong. We're not going to get upset. We're not going to get upset about this. Just tell us why we're wrong. Well, before she goes, it's funny that Jesse is that sense of relief of humor this season compared to the rest of the season. Like, he's coming in fresh and like does not care.

I feel like he's in such a high where he's at in his life. But go ahead. That's where Jack should have been, I feel like. I feel like Jack should have taken on that role instead of being a complete piece of shit. he should have just found a role where Jesse is where it's like, yeah, you know what? I kind of do want to see Britney date other dudes and then just kind of throw it in her face.

And like not from a malicious standpoint, from like a Jesse funny standpoint. Or Jesse like only asking Danny like do you want to do you want whiskey? Like I don't know if they just cut it out or showed us that. But it's like he's trolling. He's trolling everyone. Is Danny not drinking on camera and still like booze enough? He looked at the camera last week and took a shot. Well, he said it was a mock tail.

So like I don't know what I. I'm out on town. I'm so out of Danny. But again, wait, so what happened? Why don't you guys like Danny anymore? Actually, I kind of know, but because he's acting like Luke's. But you liked him last season. You don't like him this season.

No, I, we were starting to not like him last. The first season, he was fine, but I think we were still coming to grips with like learning new people and seeing what they were about. Last year, he started to get annoying. He's just, he's too, he's the type of quirky that kind of rubs us the wrong way. And then towards the end of the season, he started the way he handled all of that was just fucking terrible. But it's more just the way that he talks to Nia, the way that he just kind of minimizes all over feelings.

And then he always talks about him having sex. The whole thing about him getting a vasectomy and then coming back and be like, yeah, I don't really care about your postpartum shit. Like we've got four under four, maybe five under five. You want to do that? Like, shut up. Enough of you. I feel like he's got, and we find out that he's him and near super Christian, which kind of makes a lot more sense. And he's talking about like, yeah, you know, I want to have this big family.

And like, that's where you do here. You're going to produce milk for the babies. And I can do that too. And then we'll sell its other, like just stop making light of everything. She's going through it. Yeah. Exactly. I think he's just full of shit.

Like he just says things to say things. But people like him, I can understand why you'd get annoyed of it because he doesn't even mean it. Like I think he would absolutely die if he had a fifth kid. But he's like one of those guys who's just saying it to say it. And it's like, for what? Why are you saying that? You know you would die.

You were, you didn't, you know, you didn't want the fourth kid right now. And you kept talking about it. So we know he doesn't want a fifth kid, but he's just saying it. And I think it's maybe, yeah, that like him trying to be quirky or whatever it is. And, but I get it. He doesn't look that great this season. So it's hard to. I'm surprised he doesn't have T-shirts that say four under four.

I really thought he was going to try to brand that. And like when it comes to him, I just, there's an, he seems disingenuous a lot. And I agree, Roxanne. I do think he's trying to put on this, this front of like, this is who I like, yeah, of course I want five under five. Like, unfazed, like father of the year. whatever. But when you break it down and you get into his scenes with him and Nia, it's like, do you listen to anything she says ever? Like you're over here celebrating Santa Clarita.

She's miserable. And she's dealing with all the kids. And you're talking about ejaculating 36 times. Like shut up, bro. Like just support her for two seconds. Say, how are you feeling today? Everything's either a joke or it's something that's about him. He makes everything about him. he's going to complain to a woman that gave birth four times about a vasectomy like you're good dude like you'll be fine it's just it's nut his lack of self-awareness really drives me crazy what do you guys think about the backlash that nia's getting because she's getting some backlash too where it's like you are having such a hard time but you were the one pushing for this fourth kid i would like to hear your guys's opinion on that i mean i i think that when it comes to matters of

the family, you just kind of let people do whatever the fuck they want. Again, it's sort of like what you guys already said. They push them to film so early. Like we're probably not getting the best version of either Kristen or Nia because they're going through it. They just gave birth. Like give them a little bit of fucking time before, not before you start filming, but maybe before you start having opinions on the fact that she's upset about having a kid.

Like she's got three other kids running around, toddlers are running around. And she's struggling with feeding their newborn. The whole thing is just like it's way too soon. So like I'm not going to judge her on any of her comments about having a kid. Like I'm sure a lot of mothers out there, a lot of fathers out there, not the fathers on this fucking show, these idiots. But a lot of people out there, a lot of parents out there like, I can't believe that like we push so far to have this kid.

Like we are really going through it. And then a couple months later, they're like, wow, I'm so happy. And they see their kid as a blessing. But like we have to watch this on reality TV and then obviously comment on it. But those things like we always try to keep them where they are. They're like, you know what? they don't really mean the things they're saying right now. They're just struggling and it's fine.

But everybody's going to have an opinion. They do. And like I think it's nuts that anyone has an opinion on what they chose to do. Like they're allowed to complain. You know, like when you're in the trenches with a newborn, like the shit's hard. Like you have those moments where you want to rip your hair out. And then they do something really cute. And you're like, that's why.

That's why I want for. And like I think that for people to have an opinion because it seems like she's going through a hard time right now. Like look at her life right now. They had to pick up and move from everybody they know, all of her support system, her friends. She feels isolated in Santa Clarita. Her husband's an idiot. And she has four kids running around. Like it's a lot to deal with. I don't think it's fair to criticize her because she wanted to have a fourth kid and she's currently going through it. Like, who on earth? That doesn't mean she doesn't want the kid. It means that times are hard right now. And she'll get through it and she'll get out the other side.

I'm laughing because Shantel said that she would stop talking to me if I had a fifth kid. And you guys were saying this and I'm looking at her. She's laughing because she's like, if you ever had a fifth kid, I would never speak to you again. You're not allowed. That's so funny. You're not allowed. We got to put a cap on that. No more.

I can't deal with it. Yeah, I cannot deal with her when she had the fourth. So you're not having a bit. Let's talk about the issues with Kristen and Luke because I really want to talk about that. So in one of the scenes, Kristen said, I don't care how long you go out for, but don't let it affect me the next day. Just come home, come in bed. And he says that she's mad because all he did was sleep on the couch. And instantly, I was like, there's no way that's the only reason she's mad.

She has to be upset because it did affect you the next day. And you weren't around. And later on in the episode, he does say, yeah, maybe I was off the next day. And I always tell my husband that I'm like, listen, if you go out or whatever, I don't care, but do not let it affect. Like, don't think you're napping the next day with four kids. No, no, no, no, don't, don't let it affect you. So that's what I mean when I say, like, I watch this and I can relate.

And I'm like, telling my husband, come watch with me because I'm like, I can relate. Like, this is why we get bothered or triggered by things like this. What were your guys' thoughts on that? I mean, for Luke in particular, like, between Luke and Kristen, it's always a push from Luke to do something that he wants to do. Like, we're going to see this exact same situation play out over the next couple of weeks because he wants to go fishing. And then all of a sudden, and I think Kristen's doing a great job because we saw early

in the season, what are we supposed to do? We have to live our lives. We have to go out. We're in episode like four now. And now he's allowed to go out. Like she's letting him go out and not only go out, get as drunk as you want. Just don't sleep on the couch and help me the next day. Completely fine.

He doesn't do those things. Now we're talking and he got that idea of a marriage counselor in his mind. And he's like, let me push her to the brink. Let me gaslight her into thinking that like, my problems are just as much as hers. no, they're not, but like whatever, you can live that way. And he just does it as a way, it's like a vehicle to get to, I think we should see a counselor about this because it, not because there's a mediator that's going to be able to believe me over you, but because I feel like we need somebody to sit down with us. Like, you shouldn't be doing that that soon. Like, that's kind of fucking insane that you're doing all of that, but I'm going to leave that alone.

It just seems like he's always pushing her to get what he wants and then he gets what he wants and he still wants more. and to do that to your fiancé who just gave birth to your child is fucking nuts and he's giving dads everywhere a bad name. He is. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because Kristen dropped a bomb on us on this episode and she said that like in the first trimester when I think like it's hard on your first trimester. A lot of girls are really sick and she said that like he said to her like, I can't do this anymore. And she took it as like he's going to leave. And I just think that's crazy to even like make it about you. in those moments.

It's like you really just can't do that. Like no, he is crazy because there are times like when you just gave birth, those first three months, whatever it is. It's like, it is not about you. It's about the woman a little bit. And it's mostly about the kid, the baby that you just had. So like put your feelings to the side and shut the F up. Like he really needs to stop talking.

Like I'm watching. I'm like, how are you talking like this to her? It drove me up a wall. I have four younger siblings all like they're 25. I'm 35 and they are 25. 21, 19, and 18. So I grew up with babies. I grew up with my mom being pregnant.

I saw that side of things. And so it gave me a lot of respect for the process. I'm like, oh, shit. Like this is, it's heavy stuff, right? And as a new father, like, I have a 10 year old and I have a one and a half year old. And it's like where he's missing the mark, he's missing the mark in a million different places. but the biggest issue with me, it's like he's trying to play this pity party of, oh, I'm not allowed to have feelings. I'm not allowed to be going through it.

It's like, no, obviously you can go through it. Obviously, it's hard, but don't compare it to the plight of a new mom. It's not the same thing. Your hormones aren't all out of whack, right? Your body doesn't look different. You have so much less to be concerned about, yet you're trying to make the comparison like, oh, it's all about you, Kristen. And yeah, dickhead, it is all about her.

She's going through way more than you ever could even imagine. So all you need to do, and you can talk about your feelings with her, but do it in the correct way. Say, I had a tough day today. Like, how are you, Bo? Like, say something nice. Ask how she's doing. And keep it in perspective. What you're going through isn't one one hundredth of what your wife or your fiance is

currently going through. So all you need to do is support her. Don't go to your friends on the side and say, My wife won't have sex with me. Shut up. Like everything he says is just so short-sighted. It's such like a bad look for dudes everywhere. And it drives me nuts, honestly,

because it's disrespectful to Kristen. It's disrespectful to their relationship. And for him to make the specifics are just insane. The fishing comment. Are you fucking kidding me? You can't go fishing? She can't go to lunch without crying. I know.

And you can't go fishing. Like, shut up. I don't care that your family's far away. I don't care. Have them come out. His family's right there. That's the whole thing. That's the biggest thing.

Your wife and your wife and daughter are right there. Oh, yes. And you're going to talk about. I miss my parents. I miss my parents. I grow up, dude. I know. It just it creates my heart for Kristen to be going through what she's going through,

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I'm like, she's going through postpartum anxiety or even a little bit of depression. I don't think at the moment she knows it yet because it's like, she's still in it. And it's like, I'm also thinking like no wonder she's feeling this way because she she doesn't have this like great support of a dad or like of a partner right now. She's like he's like bitching the whole time. And it's like, how are you ever going to feel comfortable as like as a new mom? Like I'm a new mom. My daughter is six months and like I literally watching it.

Like I appreciate my husband so much more too for like how he gave me and held that space for me where he just is not doing that for her at all. Yeah. No. He just, wanting, wanting, wanting, wanting. I mean, you think you're going to get married? I do, yeah, I think they're going to make it through. But I just this is, I think that's the funniest thing about Kristen Doty is like, I could have never in a million years seen her making those concessions to let him go out and do as much as he wants and come back as late as you want.

Just be there for me the next morning. Like if you told me that Kristen Doty did that for her partner six, seven years ago, I'd be like, no, absolutely the whole not. Like, or she just doesn't mean it and she's still tracking him and she'll show up at that bar to make sure that he's not that drunk. Like that's what I would imagine. But instead it's like, no, I actually believe that she's doing all of these things. And I even feel bad because we watch him just push and push and push. And I'm like, oh, God, this is this is brutal.

I don't really want to watch that anymore. No, and I think that that's the biggest takeaway was like, okay, she asked you to do two things. That's it, two things. And you are disregarding that to try to make your argument. But at the root of it, she said, don't sleep on the couch. Get up and help me with the baby. you're 0 for two on those and then you're going to sit there and go, you don't listen to me.

You don't care about what I'm going with. You don't respect me. She has to do two things. If you had, if you had done those two things, you'd probably be in a much different place right now. Like it would be night and day because you showed that I can go do my thing, but I'm going to show up for you and our daughter.

That's what she was doing. She was giving you a pass to be like, let's see what you got. And you shit the bed your first try. So then you're going to sit there and, and borderline cried to her. because she doesn't understand what you're going through. Like, get the fuck out of here.

That's why I'm so glad she walked away during their date night. She's like, that was awesome. That was a ball of move. Yeah, he's like, let's go to, let's go to a counselor. She's like, agreed. Bye. And then she like walks away. Because it's like, for you.

But I do. I wish people had more conversation before having kids about like these situations that could possibly happen to determine if they're with the right person. Like, Shooter, do you have a kid yet? No. Okay. So when you do, like, find. to your person. Are you dating someone? Yeah, I have a girlfriend. Okay. So these are like conversations

that really should be had before getting married because I feel like no one does this because a lot of the times people just want kids. But look what ends up happening. I mean, I don't know. I hope they work it out if that's what they want. But it seems like with how he is, I don't know if he was raised this way. I don't know, but I think he's always going to be this way if they have more kids. And I don't know how the heck she's going to put up with it. No. Do you want me to do that right now? I'll get her in.

Yeah. Yeah. Get her. Let's see. Let's see. Like if this happened, what would you do? You know? Yeah.

To see. Yeah. Yeah. And like it's just tough because and I think this kind of goes to the whole cast. Honestly, aside from I guess Jesse and Zach right now, it's just a cast full of loser dudes. And it's no. And it's not the lovable fun like Schwartz loser guys where it's like, yeah, I know you're a loser, but like I kind of enjoy watching you fumble around. You're a cute loser. Right. It's dudes that just talk to their wives the wrong way. It's dudes. And like I get like it. It's reality TV.

So we always try to like put things into perspective for that. If he wants to go and sit down with Danny. He wants to go and say, Danny's the wrong person actually, but he shouldn't have been that. If he sat down with there is no good person on this show for Luke to see. He has to sit down with an anonymous third party who can walk him through that. You want to get shit off of your chest. You want to talk about how you don't believe that Kristen's going to be able to do this, this and this. And she always holds you accountable for things and you feel upset because you want to go to couples therapy and have that conversation, fine.

Like I get that. You do that with a friend with a confidant. It's on reality TV, but those things are still going to happen. It's when he takes that exact conversation. It brings it to Kristen. I'm like, dude, you didn't learn anything. Like even Danny for all of his faults is like, yeah, man, like, I'm right there with you. I had a kid.

like you're going to go through it. Like these are the types of situations that you're going to go through when you have a baby. And this is your first time. So I expect all of those things. You didn't take away anything from that conversation that we probably shouldn't have seen in the first place. You took it right to Kristen and said the same shit. And you're like, oh, yeah, my agenda now is I think we need to sit down with a counselor. Like, why?

Why are we doing this? Why are you talking to Kristen like that? We're not seeing any scenes where Kristen's sitting. And I think that's producing too, by the way, because these producers fucking suck. But if you're going to do that, we should also be. privy to the conversations that Kristen and Luke are having where Kristen's saying, hey, go out, have your fun, enjoy yourself, but make sure you're up the next morning. And then we should also see Luke's dumbass sleeping on the couch so that we can get even

more mad at him. I don't want to hear from Luke that he had a conversation with Kristen where she was cool as shit because that is so anti the Kristen that we grew up watching. So go over and show me nice, soft Kristen who's making concessions so that we can get even madder at Luke. Like, we are obviously very mad at Luke right now, but I want to get even madder. I wonder why they don't do that, though. That's such a good point.

Because Jeremiah is fucking terrible at his job. He has his hands all over this stupid show. That's all he does. He ruins shows. He goes to shows and he ruins them. And we've been on his ass for three years now. Watch the Vanderpump rules finale. Like he's trying to wrangle everybody in.

It's like, dude, you suck at this. And then you ruin Beverly Hills. You ruin Vanderpump. You're going to ruin the Valley. Like it's only a matter of time. I just, the way that they're, they're shaping everything. Again, like, do I think this is a bad cast? No, I don't.

I think we're focused on the wrong things. You're not giving us the scenes we want to see. I don't want to see a dude say to his wife three months postpartum that the first trimester was really hard for me. Fuck you. What? That's the crazy. If I said that to my wife, we'd be divorced.

And right really so. Right away. Literally. I'd be deleting my social media if I was him right now. Because I can't imagine how much hate he's getting. This is so great for Kristen though because of that. Like because sometimes you need to hear from other people like. Oh yeah.

You're going to feel supported, which is good. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're an idiot. She's right and like where she was thinking like she's so probably wrong because she didn't even know what to think at this time. And so like, yeah. What do you think about them not showing Jesse very much?

Like we're not really seeing him. I'm shocked. Is he spending a ton of time down at? Lacey's house, like maybe. He seems like, yeah, he probably is actually. I think he's doing that. I think he's crazy about her. Yeah, he seems crazy about her and like a lot of the conversations that we've seen,

especially that one from last week where Lacey's like, yeah, I'm not coming up. I'm not moving up there. And we know how much of a drive that can possibly be. So like I wouldn't be surprised if he's just down there a lot. He just seems so much softer. But like, again, this is, it's a huge cast. So you would imagine Jesse kind of popping in and out and just kind of being a little bit petty is going to be fun in a would show, but there's not enough else hitting.

And we're just kind of getting a heavy dose of Danny, of Luke. And it's just getting really tiring where we do need them all to kind of come together. And they, again, it speaks to production. Like, you have to force all these people to be together to actually have moments. Do you think it's funny or do you think that Jesse is now like feeling himself in light because Michelle doesn't have this boyfriend anymore? Like, you know, where he's just like, ha ha. Yeah, he was right.

Yeah. And then be happy like, oh, go for Schwartz. Like, yeah, Michelle would ever go for Schwartz. Not that Schwartz is a bad guy, but even like she says it herself. like Schwartz is like not mature enough for her. Yeah, but then she said she wanted to make out with them. I know. That's fun.

That's fine. There's no problem there. Yeah, but I think there's a, he's happy. Like she doesn't have anyone and he feels so good about that he has someone. So he's like, I can live my, I can live free here. Absolutely. And I think there's a big Jesse shaped hole in this show right now.

I think that's where I would have gone if I was a producer. The Lacey, Jesse, Michelle of it all. That's going to be great because Michelle, she's funny. She's awkward at times. It's going to be a strange situation. I love their conversation between her and Lacey. I thought that was fun.

Lacey is just a massive wildcard. We don't really know. We've got rumors of what she's supposedly like. We've got her trying to put on her front for the camera. Show me that. Show me that fall apart. I guess kind of what they're doing right now is it's almost like we're just kind of holding our breath until a huge cast trip where they force everybody to be together,

not at their homes, just traveled. to Palm Springs or wherever and put them all in a house together and just see what happens. I think that will be good because there's so many clashing personalities and so many things going on that it could actually create good TV. But then you have like what two, three good episodes, maybe. Yeah. Again, I think every episode has been phenomenal. Correct.

Clearly, I don't know. I'm like, oh, okay, this is what Chattel's been saying. But she's been saying it from last season. But yeah, I guess. I think Jesse's a lover boy, though. Like when he is with a girl, he will make his life about that girl. Nothing's wrong with that. I think the man should be way more obsessed with a woman than opposite.

So I think he's just like in that little bubble. Michelle's personality is a little bit different this season. Do you think producers asked her to bring it more or what do you guys think? No, I think. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Please. No, no, no, go. I was going to lose my train and thought anyway.

So go ahead. I was just thinking maybe she feels a little lighter, you know, maybe the Aaron thing didn't work out. Yeah, I'm sure that was a huge bummer for her, especially after, you know, introducing it to her daughter and stuff like that. But I think she's really gone through the ringer over the past year. And it does feel like she's coming up for air finally. Like she's laughing. We're getting a different side of her. She's very enjoyable on camera.

So I would like to think that maybe she's just moving a little easier this year. She's feeling a little bit better, feeling more herself. so we're getting more out of her. That's kind of where I felt. Yeah, I don't really feel like it's overproduced by her at all. I think that the moments that we get are probably just frustration's boiling over, much like we talked about where she doesn't have her boyfriend anymore. We kind of had to close the book on that one.

But we're really, it's kind of one-sided. Like, Jesse doesn't seem to be bothered by Michelle at all. And Michelle's very bothered by Jesse. So I do think those little blips here and there are just her frustration boiling over between her and Jesse, but I mean, she is kind of taking a bit of a, I don't want to say a page out of Lala's book, but it seems like they're really close. So again, Lala, good or bad, she knows how to produce things. A lot of times it's bad, but she might be talking to Michelle like, hey, you know, this is

your show. You were on the show to begin with. They might want to key in on you a little bit more. So just show up a little bit more. I think that it's honestly, I don't really mind Michelle at all. Yeah. What did you guys think about Jason and Danny's conversation? God.

Stupid. Worth us. Toddlers. They're both toddlers. And like, I think that the way it started was completely fine. Like, if Jason wants to say, like, I'm defending my wife, cool. There should be a deeper conversation and they should push them to have a deeper conversation.

But it doesn't seem like Danny wants to. And again, you're on a reality TV show. You have to have these conversations. He did step one. So I guess I'll hold out hope that there's going to be a deeper conversation with just the two of them. But they had the group setting conversation. It went nowhere.

And it was expected to go nowhere. I mean, Danny doesn't want to give an inch. He said, you know, I could have handled things a little bit better. Jason, I feel like took a lot more onus on him. But as soon as he noticed that Danny wasn't taking any credit or any responsibility for his ship from last year, he's like, I'm not dealing with this. So I don't even blame, I don't really blame Jason at all. I blame Danny. But I blame.

He was really, I think it's so fresh for him. Like he's so mad still. Like he can't, like I don't think he can see clear. And I don't think he wants to with when it goes to Jason. But then, yeah, like you guys said, it sucks then for the show. But it's like he does not. He does not care to be his friend. But then that's why Jason bothers me more because at least Danny is like,

I don't want to be friends with you, dude. And Jason's like, I don't want to be friends with you. Like right after he's like, okay. Literally in like the same breath. He's like, well, yeah. And you got that like Kermit the Frog voice. Yeah. Given how you're acting here, like I don't want to do that either.

Yeah. Cool. Jason, like cool, Danny. Like, where do we go from here now, guys? Because nothing's happened. Nothing's still happening. I get it if it still feels fresh. Okay.

that was a pretty heavy allegation last year. But at the same time, the complete wall and standoff there. And then Jason not knowing how to navigate it after he shuts that door, I would much rather have seen Jason be like, well, then fuck you, buddy. There's something along, not like, well, I'm not going to do it if he's not going to do it. Like, what?

No, guys. Like somebody makes something happen here. And this is kind of, I think, where there, a lot of them haven't been on reality TV. And I think that that's one of their tools, like one of the things that they need to learn how to do is to be able to move forward, even if it's just to be able to be in the same room with each other. And I think we're going to see this multiple times. I think we're going to see it with Janet. We've already seen it with Janet a couple of times with her and Nia. We've seen her have a couple of conversations that don't go anywhere.

And we're seeing it with Danny. I think that's going to be throughout the cast when it comes to conflict because they don't know. like, hey, the audience wants to see you guys together. And the audience wants to see you guys move on from this stuff. In real life, when this shit happens, like, yeah, you're never talking to that person again. But that's your coworker. And we want to watch something good, bad, or indifferent. But we want to see you guys together and figure it out.

Don't go, well, he said that and that's mean. Well, he said that and that's mean, too. So I'm not going to talk anymore. Like, okay, cool. Well, I feel like you can't have a conversation with Jason, though. because it just sounds like Janet. Like, you know, it's like it sounds like a wife literally telling her husband, this is exactly what you're going to say.

And I know he's going to say this. This is how you're going to respond. And it doesn't sound authentic. It literally sounds like Janet, but in Jason's body. And so that's why I feel like Danny or no one else can take it seriously. Because it's not like a man, a man conversation. It's literally Janet in his ear. That's my problem with him.

And that's a good point. Oh, God. It was crazy because he also said like, he said that like when it came to Jesse and him talking, he was like, oh, I unfollow Lacey because Janet told me to unfollow Lacey. And it's like,

it just goes to prove like your point that like he literally does not, he does everything that she says and it's like embarrassing at this point. It goes so far too because we even talked about it last year. Like the way Jason moves when he's in a scene without Janet, he reflects whatever Janet says because he knows Janet's going to watch it back. And then they're going to have questions. So like I, I think maybe the root could have been like,

let's focus more on Janet and Jason because there's there's so many cracks in that marriage. There's so many weird things going on. Again, for better or worse, but like, I mean, we kind of picked them last year. We're like, yeah, they might be the next couple to actually break up because there's so much going on there. We want to see more of it. But if you're refusing to film with people and especially Janet, you're not going to go anywhere with that.

And it's not going to create a good product. I want to see what happens in Janet and Jason's home, like where he cracks and gets mad. Yeah, because we never see them fight. We never see them have those conversations because they know how to play the game, though. They're very, very smart and strategic. I don't know if it's a good thing, but you see that for sure they're having similar conversations to maybe Kristen or she's like, you should have said this. You should have said that.

I don't like how you said that. But we don't actually ever see it. So I don't know if producers are just not showing it or they don't go to their house. Well, and that's why I like me and Danny, because in the sense of that when she, they like are very clear that they're not. not going to cross boundaries on the screens, you know? So, and we, we understand that as viewers. Like, she's like, we're not going to talk down each other.

We're not going to yell each other on the screen. Maybe they do behind your closed doors, but that's their thing. And we all know it. And it's like what Jason, we don't know. We don't know what their boundary is. We don't, everything seems like fake or whatever the case is with them. And it's like all up front of how, like, really they, like, ride for each other. Yeah.

And I think the, you go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say we've got a live in camera producer. situation ship going on in uh santa clarita why can't we have something like that in janet and jason's literally two episodes no janet what is she doing like i know she's doing something i need to see what she's doing and and if it's just her talking to jason like we need the prep i want to see like the build up the pump up speech whatever it might be before jason goes and meets up with everybody why are we not seeing that because we know how it goes yeah and like you go ahead i was just going to say like if you go back to last season we got those scenes we saw them plotting and planning

and like no trying to get shady i liked that like even if i don't like them like them plotting like a little mastermind to what they're going to do to try to make things happen like that's that's enough and i think it's almost like we're trying to reinvent the wheel where it's like no just show us like the the nuts and bolts of it show me them planning and pulling and plotting and then show me how it goes. Like that's a very simple formula that has been on Bravo for its entire tenure. So just go back to that plot. Then let's see it happen.

See how it goes. See the fallout. Go from there. And I wonder like then why like at BravoCon, Janet made it seem like she's just going to be this villain again and like just wait until you guys see me and like we, it's been crickets for her. So it's like, what was she talking about? Yeah.

Or like are we still going to see it? Like what's happening here? because she like doubled down on being the villain, which is great. But it's like, where is it? Maybe they are cutting it out. I think they might be cutting out at least her early involvement. But I mean, we said it before like, just go be the villain. At least she's not wishy-washy and trying to play both sides.

Like go play that one side if that's going to work for you. And it will work for you and it'll work for the show. Yeah, maybe you're going to be upset about it and block everybody on social media and go to Europe and take all of your kids again. But I mean, do something, at least for some of us. Yeah. You guys ever stop like midway watching these shows and you're like, I can't do anymore? Yes. Okay.

I finish it. It's a one sitting, but I'll pause or I'll go like cook something and then come back and rewind. Beverly Hills is pretty much. That takes me an hour and a half to get through a 40-minute episode. Not yet with the Valley. I haven't gotten there. But yeah, definitely take some breathers on some of these. Wait, I have to ask, why do you think that, because we're struggling with Beverly Hills, too.

So why are you by struggling so much with it? I think that's funny. We don't even. We'll like watch it the next week. It's like five. It's been like five seasons of nothing. It's always the same shit. It's just Kyle overproducing.

Nobody's everybody's afraid to go against Kyle. So whatever she says goes, we are supposed to see all of these things from Doreet while she's going through her divorce with P.K. But we never get to see anything that Kyle's going through because Kyle doesn't want us to see it. And Kyle's the problem. But then obviously all of her minions are the problem. And like, it's just not. captivating to watch Sutton versus Doreet.

Like, no. I'll hang up and listen. Like, give me, leave me alone with Beverly. And the big problem, and I'm sure you guys probably have the same issue is that Beverly Hills does so many good numbers for like all of our listeners want to chime. And then we'll put out questions and we'll put out like, like, hey, give me a temperature read. What are you guys thinking about this season?

And it's just endless comments. Like, oh, we're not even watching it anymore. We're just listening to you guys. We're like, well, you realize that that makes us have to go watch. it right yeah we can't all just sign off yeah but it is the highest rated out of all of the real house wives and the reason i always tell people that though because like everyone around that like i know they're like i don't watch real housewives like i know you do something with it but i watch beverly hills but they're not they don't like they don't actually like go on the internet they know nothing

about what's happening about any of the ladies outside of the show but like all ages just watch it from where i'm from but i would never see them on the internet i think that's why the ratings are so Heights because just people who aren't invested in other real housewives. Yeah, they just, it's like a cornerstone show. And so when you think real housewives, you think Jersey, you think Beverly Hills, you think Teresa, you think Kyle. I get it. But it's not working. And unfortunately, if they keep doing numbers, they're not going to have to change anything. But again, it's like, it's the Kyle show. She doesn't want to share anything. We've watched her and Dorete fight for seasons. We've watched Sutton try to crawl up Kyle's ass multiple times and get batted away

and try to do it again. The only person that we had on this show that was willing to go toe to toe to with Kyle was Garsell. And she's gone because she got fed up with all of the shit, all of the producing and all of the whatever Kyle says goes. I mean, I think I think you saw it very clearly this season as we started to get towards the end. And you saw Sutton shift weirdly. And then she's starting to be nice to Amanda. And then she's like, all team Kyle, all team Amanda out of nowhere because she realized that Dorit's out on an island. And she wants to be on Kyle's team.

So she's like, oh, I must snuggle up to Kyle again. And you watched it literally happen at the finale. Kyle calls upon them. Can you please speak up? They're like, yes, you're right. Even though every one of those conversations was initiated by Kyle, she was doing leading questions, and then she would take that information to Derreet and be like everybody's saying. this. It's like, well, not really. You said it.

And somebody either said, like, yeah, I see what you're saying. Or like, yeah, I'm concerned about her too. And you took that and you're weaponizing it against Doreet. And you literally say, minions and everyone speaks up. I was like, this sucks. And we also had to sit through a commercial for Nikki Hilton's jewelry line. Like, what the hell? That's a finale. Season finale. And that's what we got. Kathy said you better show it or I'm a funny show. Yeah. I'm so team Kyle in the situation.

but me and Rexna, yeah, Rexna and I fight all the time on our episodes too. So because of it. But it's not that I'm still. Just got really passionate about it. I know. I like that. I was a big Kyle fan. I love Kyle.

I loved Kyle. I was a ride or die. And then like four years ago, it just shifted. And I was like, what's going on? And then it's been like a spiral since then. So I think that's why I'm so passionate because like she was my favorite housewife. And now the Kyle that I loved is gone. And it makes me.

I think it's also just like we spent a lot of time just saying it's Kyle's fault. The real answer is it's just boring. I mean, there's so many like going from Beverly Hills to watching a Rhode Island right after. It's like, oh, oh, this is a real housewife show. This is what it's supposed to be. And then you go back to Beverly Hills, you're like, there's nothing going on. I have nothing to talk about. And we just end up spending each episode complaining every scene.

And again, it does so well for us. like we have to keep going it's ludicrous well this reunion episode will be a big one right because people at least will tune in watch i feel like at least we can i think i can tolerate reunions like i like watching those maybe not the first part one but part two and three for sure yeah yeah you guys um it came out the seating chair for summerhouse and i feel like we can't go one episode without talking about summer house what'd you guys feel like in the lineup uh it it made sense i i was still it was funny too today because because they dropped it on the Bravo Instagram.

And yeah, he's trying to find it on his phone. Yeah, here you want to go. They dropped it on the Bravo Instagram and. Oh, I like that actually. Jesse commented on it like immediately. And we know how these reunions go. They filmed it today. They did it today.

They probably started around like 8, 30, 9 o'clock in the morning. He commented at like 2 p.m. I know for a fact they're still going. But Jesse's commenting on it saying Carl's in the mix and he's really happy about that. why like why we didn't know if carl wanted to be in the mix but i guess he probably did so we're going to have to keep an eye on that the seating chart was interesting i mean it's not like they can put west and amanda on the right side and everybody else on the left so they did have to throw some people in there but carl being right next to amanda was interesting i guess he might just be

like a shoulder to cry i think he's the most level headed in the group so it's like i guess but car here i was surprised to see that uh uh uh what's her to levi i mean she's not in the show So, I mean, what is she doing at the reunion? I know. And then Anne Lindsay was surprising to me because like she's literally been on one episode that we've seen her and she's literally like the third person like right there next to Kyle and Sierra. Yeah.

We need Lindsay. That's what I mean. She's like she's grandfathered in. Yeah. And she, Lindsay's been wanting to call Amanda out for so long. So this is her opportunity. So I'm very, very excited for that. We should bring Paige back to.

Yeah. Page and Lindsay and let them go. She's like over here now. So she probably, she's so done. She's so done. Yeah, I'm super excited to watch that. That's going to be interesting. Any other things that happened on the Valley?

It was kind of a boring episode. That's the only negative thing else. I think we got it all. Yeah. I think like the main shitty dudes. Yeah. Dating. Yeah.

Women that just had babies. Yeah. No, that's pretty much it. I was like a Kyle Chan shout out. You know, that dude rates. I'll give it to him. He sells everyone on Bravo buys from Kyle Chan. Got to love it.

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