Bros & Shows - Dave, Busters, Billionaires and an Over 40s "Boys Chat" (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

What's up Bros? This season of The Valley is wild. Both in entertainment value and drama. In this episode, Jesse is planning a cast trip to Santa Barbara and decides to invite Michelle. He also lets us in on a little info about her past confirmed infidelity as well as a potential second cheating scandal. Jason gets Jax to his mental treatment center. Janet is having a Dave and Busters birthday and decides to take the high road and invite Doute. Although it seems Zack is still on the do not call list. Jason discusses some problematic moments regarding Danny's drinking and him being wildly inappropriate with Jasmine and her girlfriend. Nia and Doute go to fertility accupuncture. At Dave and Busters, Michelle catches wind of a rumor in the boys chat that she is allegedly sleeping with a billionaire for $1500 a night... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You're good. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. The drama on this show seems like a lot more serious than other shows that we watch. I would say the exact opposite. But like, right now anyway. I see what you're saying, but at the same time, like,

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Dave in Bust Goots what's up dude God I love a good Dave and Bust Yeah, I do too. I do too. It's a good birthday party. It's actually arguably Janet's best episode. Yes, yes it is. Now, I did think, obviously, we were going to have a different approach to this episode because Jacks wasn't here. Right. Of course, we start off the episode with Jacks, but he does go away very quickly. He's off, what is he there for 11 days? I think he makes it 11 days, 11 or 12. I think we need to just throw him into the 100 men versus a gorilla debate. Oh, make him be one of those. He needs to be number one. I agree with that. Yeah, he has to go first.

Yeah, and if he wins, then, all right, come on back. Yeah. And we tell him that he has enough time to train. We'll see how much time he actually trains. Now, do you think that 100 men could be a gorilla? No chance. Right? No, I don't think so either.

No chance in hell. Someone made a really funny tweet about it that's like, who's going to go after the gorilla after he fucks up the first guy? Yeah. That's the best, like... What, you're all going to charge it once? Once the first, like, two or three get ripped apart, literally. Everybody else is going to run away.

I don't think people realize how strong guerrillas are. Yeah. Yeah. Shall we, shall we reenact Harambe? Remember that? Well, that is the one person that I would probably throw in there. Harambe? The kid who got Harambe killed.

Oh, yeah. It's probably of age at this point, right? Well, look. Ten years ago. I mean, he was a child, and he beat a gorilla technically. Technically? I mean, that's got to be your 100th person. That's like your last hope.

It's the ace in the hole. Yep. Yeah, just in case. Send that kid in. Yeah. This is a dark start at the podcast. But anyway, I still, I love this show. It's so good.

It's so authentic, I think. That's probably why it's my favorite on right now because it feels like all of this shit happening is real. I don't get the vibe from anybody, but probably Janet seems to be putting on an act. That was actually corroborated by, we get a lot of Jeremy Maddox Poppins from, you know, Ariana's brother. Someone posted about Janet being fake,

and Jeremy commented on it like, yep, 100%. She is. So, but everybody else feels like you're getting awesome. authenticity from. Yeah, I think that's fair to say. And it also has my favorite character of all of Bravo on here. So, you know, it's my favorite show. Even after today?

Even more so after today. Holy shit. Well, let's get into it. Because like you said, we start out with Jacks. He's headed to a treatment center. It's a mental health center. I don't want to get this confused with their rehabilitation center. It's a mental health.

It could be mental health rehabilitation. It is not a drugs and alcohol rehab center. So when everyone's reacting to the news, you know, Danny's, he's all upbeat he's like yeah it's great like good for him i told him he's a great guy's got to get figured out whatever everyone's just in shock that he's actually finally decided to go get help i wish that this turned out differently i wish i didn't know which direction it goes but i do and it's unfortunate but i think it's better that way because if we had to watch this unfold on screen you would be 10 times madder when he comes out in 11 days you're right you already know

what's going to happen so when he comes back you're just going to be annoyed that he's back but you already know that that happens so you're not going to be upset that's a good point yeah thanks for spinning the perspective there pal but we get to jason and britt and uh brittney sorry i abbreviate when i take notes but jason just dropped him off she asked how it went you know it went well he had a hard time as we saw going there and regardless of who the person is you shouldn't take a whole lot of stock and what somebody's saying right before they walk in the door of a Rehabilitation Center, it's probably not their most lucid thoughts. Yeah.

That being said, pretty on par for Jacks because he's still blaming Brittany. He's like, you know, I did some stuff, but like she did the same shit, man. So he's having a hard time separating that he needs help from the fact that he's mad at Brittany. That's how Jason puts it. Which is probably the most authentic that we've seen Jacks. Yeah. He's about to go into a rehabilitation center. He's having those thoughts and he's still blaming somebody else.

Yes. But he is going there. I need to go get help, but it's Britney's fault. Yes. Yeah, that's where we're at right now. Definitely checks out. Whatever. But Janet arrives, Michelle arrives, and this is a real thing, and I felt for Brittany here,

where she says, you know, I'm scared that he's going to charm everyone, he's going to manipulate the process. I will say firsthand, it's pretty hard. That's the difference, though. Like, I've never been to a mental health treatment center. When I went to Karen, you can't manipulate most of them because they deal with addicts and alcoholics all day long, which is kind of why I wish he went to an actual rehab center because you can't charm your way out of it.

They're very blunt with you the entire time. But I get her trepidations of him trying to smooth people over because that's what he did to her for all these years. And he even said that on the after show. I think it was last week he was talking about his first couple of days there. It took him about three or four days. Pretty much probably still blaming Brittany and blaming everybody else in his life and not taking any sort of ownership. And somebody told him whether or not this is true is your call. But somebody did tell him, you're paying for all of this.

at least try to get something out of it. And then he said, that's what clicked. I don't think that's true. He left in 11 days, so I don't think anything fucking clicked. But I like how Jason puts it. He's just like, look, if he does the work, he's a good dad. If he doesn't do the work, he's a terrible dad. I'm like, period.

That's a great way to put it. I like that Brittany was asking if he had said that in the car on the ride over. I know. It was a shower thought. You know the answer to that, by the way. Jason's not going to say that. Even if Jason thought that, which he very well could have in the moment, he's not saying not at the time. No shot.

He's not going to cop to that. Just happy Jackson's in the car. Exactly. And I will say it was a touching moment between him and Janet where she's like, I'm so proud of you. I love you. And they smooch. You know,

I do want to highlight the nice stuff, even though I don't love Janet. That's the bigger issue right now, by the way. You shouldn't be focused on me being on Team Jesse. You should be focused on whether or not I like Janet now. Oh, do you like Janet now? Dude, this was our best episode by far. Hands down.

The most relatable episode. Because at Dave and Busters, I'm like, that's what I would probably do. Like, I'm not going to ruin my birthday because somebody's crying. what you guys are arguing about. I'm playing the crane game. That's the funniest, the coin game, actually. Yeah. The coin game. But that was the funniest part. She's like, people coming over to check and she's like, yeah, I don't give a shit. I'm like on the edge here about to drop 30 coins. I need to get that ding, ding, ding, ding up there in the LED. She is 100% a person that saves her power card with like 5,000 tickets on. Honestly, it's really not even, we're not even at this part yet. I'm just excited to talk about Dave and Buster. You too. I love Dave and Buster. It's not a bad call. Now, when you go as kids, everybody just kind of has their own. own thing. They're going to get tickets, of course, and they want to pick out their own prizes. As adults, if you go there for a birthday, we're pulling all this shit together and then getting me birthday gifts. Yeah, I think it's a smart move. It's the best move I've seen by far. Yeah, it was. She does have it mapped out pretty well. We're going to talk a lot more about it later.

Because, again, big D&B fans over here, but Jason bounces, and it's just the lady sitting there talking, and, you know, Brittany's going through it. It is tough to see crews around these scenes, but I mean, I'm not sure what else she's supposed to do. She has to be a mom. Yeah. The one thing I want to say before we get into this any further, I see so many posts right now of people saying like Brittany knew what she was getting into. We've talked about this before. I don't know who has the balls to be saying that. I think that's the dumbest shit ever.

It's the most victim-blamey bullshit. Why would you say, why do you need that pat on the back? Like she should have known that she'd get tables thrown at her? Who the fuck would know that? And anybody saying that? I did say that every man in that situation would do that. It's a good point. That's a good point.

Show me a guy that wouldn't do that. Right here. Two of them right here. But the whole thing, people saying she knew what she was getting into, like she deserves it or like she knew what was going to happen. Your track record, if you're saying that, better be crystal fucking clear. You better not have any red flags that you've dated in the past that you've looked over. If you're going to make these claims, and trust me, there are a lot of people in the comments throwing stones in this one. You better never have dated an asshole and tried to justify it.

all in sell cucks. 1,000% writing behind a fake profile picture. For sure. But it's just so embarrassing that she's going through this right now with a child. Her husband's in rehab.

She's trying to get through it. She's watching it all replay on TV. Meanwhile, all these morons in the comments are like, she knew what she was getting into. It's like, shut the fuck up. Does that make you feel better? To make you feel better when you're typing that at home?

Because I think you look like an asshole. And again, you better never have dated somebody that was red flaggy. Because if you have, you're a hypocrite. Shut up. Anyway, let's get back to the show. Brittany talks more about her, I guess, transition into motherhood. She's like, you know, I'm no longer a 22-year-old from Kentucky.

Like, I have a 3-year-old now. This is real life. I think it's starting to catch up to her just how serious everything that's going on is. But the best thing that was said, because she says, if he doesn't stay, you know, we all cut him off. I think Janet said that. And she's like, well, I told him, you know, if he doesn't stay, it's restraining order, full custody, no visitation. divorce from the file papers. Michelle, 100% correct. You should file tomorrow. You should. He should come out of that place with a fucking subpoena. Here you go. Boop, you've been served.

This is probably your best opportunity to do that. Yeah, I think so. I mean, again, like, it does seem based off next week's preview that he does have his phone and he's texting. He's rage texting out of rehab. He would leave probably immediately as soon as she did that. So maybe not, but like, theoretically speaking, this is probably your best time to do it while he's away. Day one, as soon as he goes back in. Like, all right, cool. He's away. He's away. he's not going to come right back out. He might, but he's not going to come right back out, most likely. Let me just file this now.

At least get the ball rolling. I think that would have been the smartest move. And that also tells me it's not a rehab center. I didn't have my phone. They gave me special privilege to FaceTime Poppy once a week from my phone. But other than that, you don't have access to it. So, like, I don't know why they gave him his phone, because of course he's going to rage text. Out of, what a weird sentence.

You're a mental health treatment center and you're raged texting your wife. Yep. Nice. Way to go, Jacks. But we get to Jesse, Doty, and Luke. They're having a little fancy tea party over at Jesse's, and Dev pointed this out, but I'll give you big props. I'll give you $20.

If you can tell me what brand those teacups were. Lake Crescette? Not bad, though. No, they're air-m-a's. Because Dev was like, did you see the cups? I'm like, totally. Actually, that was a shot in the dark. I did not pay attention to the cup.

That wasn't a bad guess. I don't know if Lake Reset, do they make. Yeah, they make everything. They make tea cups? Yeah, I love my Dutch oven and a cast iron skillet from them, and they're my favorite. Haven't washed that skillet in four years now. Nice and seasoned. Hell yeah, brother.

You're supposed to wash them. No, you use coarse salt. Oh, I could go on a rant about this. We've done this before. I did that on purpose. Yeah, don't do that. I just wanted to see. Yeah, I would do it again.

Stop fucking up your skillets, everybody. Stop it. It drives me nuts. But we get a little white party recap here, and Jesse's like, you know, I don't know what's going on with Michelle. whatever the main point here is we get one confirmation that michelle did in fact cheat at least once but when he starts going over the evidence against a a ron who i hate even more now than i did before that guy i can't with him but he owns a honey company this was such like detective work bro he owns a honey company right he noticed the honey in the cabinet for the past two years was his company

as he does a little bit more digging he's like all right there's one day that she got all done up and went hiking I thought that was weird other people think it's weird too because as we know the valley gets hot as shit so she's hiking in the summer

with makeup on doughy's like that's bizarre nobody would wear makeup to do that we heard earlier in this season that she would randomly run into this guy whilst at a coffee shop or hiking okay that's weird

so they run out of honey Jesse calls her he's like where do you get the honey from she's like oh it's this little shop in, where is it, Runyon? I don't even fucking remember. No, it wasn't Runyon. I don't remember what it was, though.

It doesn't matter. It is Runyon. It is Runyon. It is a place near Runyon. Wherever it is, it's where Aaron lives. Exactly. So it's this place near Runyon. It's both his shop and his house.

So we know she cheated once. Doty is the point of contact for that one. Because she said that she's had a girlfriend, boyfriend, sorry, for the past year in last season. she says that's not the guy that means we probably have two cheating moments here and if we're really going to keep track

I'm going to say three because she was totally with Tarantino yes so that's where I was thinking about what Michelle's day to day was like sounds like she goes hiking a lot sounds like she goes and gets honey she goes to the coffee shop she's spending a lot of time at the chateau that sounds like a nice life

sounds like she's not working she's got commissioned in two years That's what Jesse said, but look, they're going to throw stones. That's why I'm staying neutral, because both sides are going to throw stones. I don't think Jesse's a good dude. I do think Michelle's been through it. I think she has every right to be as put off by this whole thing as she is. Meanwhile, I think Jesse has the same right because he got cheated on twice, so at least twice.

So I think they're both founded and they're both idiots. So that's where I'm at. I know where you are. Trust me, you got Jesse tattooed across your chest right now. Look, I mean, it sounds like people are just jealous that he may have had a sexual encounter with that and Nicole Smith, RIP. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that one. A little jelly. That's what you think this is about?

It's not about his behavior. You're all just jealous. But he talks about their trip to Santa Barbara, and he rented a house. They're going to wine tasting, and we're big advocates. Cast trip means whole cast goes. That was one of the biggest issues I had with last season was the cast trip to Big Bear. Two people got, three people got excluded from that. So as much as I hope that it was Jesse's idea to do this.

And obviously, you know, there's some pettiness involved. Let's invite Michelle and Aaron So they can come up here And they can thank me for getting the house Which they won't I'm hoping it's production I'm hoping production got in there And just said no no no we're not doing this shit again

You can't have people out I hope so too Because then they'd be doing good things Instead of cutting scenes that we want to see That's all we've seen to know Michelle and Aaron the entire time If they weren't there We've seen this before

I don't want to do that I don't want to do that But Janet would be hiding in the woods terrorizing people That was still the funniest shit ever bro The overreaction that he was outside I'm scared. We need to lock the doors. Why? What's he going to do? You know him.

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As soon as I heard Dave and Buster, it's like, hell yeah. We're going to D&B. We should go. We should. We should have a dude's night at Dave and Busters. You're a bit of the one down in the city? Yeah, on Penn's Landing. I have.

It's been, where is it? It's on Columbus Boulevard. Okay. Not in a very long time. Because there's one, there's a shitty one at the Plymouth Meeting Mall. Yeah, that one's not great. No, but I take Poppy there all the time because it's just easy. Yeah.

And they have, we'll get there. I'm just getting so excited for it. But in a quick cut scene, you get Aeron saying not going to that to the Santa Barber thing. so I'm curious if he will hold up to that. I got this weird feeling that he's going to go. I don't know why. I didn't see him in the clips.

If you're talking about it now, you have to go. Right? Because you've been to both parties now. Girlfriend's clearly going. She's going to go through it there. You'll probably be a little defense if you are there because maybe Jesse will leave her alone more. Just like support would be nice.

Yeah, I don't know, man. Talk about this in greater detail later with the whole support thing. definitely the way that he was like yeah not going to that yeah really quick very quick yeah see you have fun good luck but you get nia and dody it is nia by the way you told me it was naya it's nia are you fucking kidding me do you did i say naya you said naya okay see that's how my brain works i can't help myself well there you go now i don't know what it is it's nia we're back to square one it's nita we will always get back to this point it's the same with siotti and siana and fucking Vanderpump Villa.

But Nia and Doty go to get some... It's so funny. As soon as he said that on the screen, I was like, I told him he was wrong. God damn. I told myself I was wrong. Nice job. But they're going to acupuncture

because Doty, as we know, is trying to have a baby. She's got to be getting close now. Yeah, her and Nia was just on Watchtropins live last week. I don't... She did say how pregnant she has. She's got to be close.

Yeah, I think they're both months already. Both, like, near on the finish line here. But they're going to acupuncture, which they say helps with fertility. It's a fertility acupuncture thing. She's going two times a week. And Nia went through a similar thing. I guess it's called unexplained infertility. How fucking crazy is that?

Never heard of this before. When she was breaking this down, I was jaw on the floor. Yeah, it's wild. What? It just sounds like the doctors don't know what they're doing. I think everything looks good. At a certain point, it's like your ovaries look fine. Everything looks fine.

Your cervix looks fine. All this stuff looks fine. We don't know. That sucks. That's the worst sentence in, like, medical history. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Keep trying. But she swears that after going to this fertility acupuncture, that it helped her get pregnant. And I love that this is what I love about Nia. She's just the most, like, genuine out of them. Because she's like, I know what Kristen's going through. I just want to be there to support. I'm like, hell yeah, girl, you help her by poking needles into her. I have a funny thought about Nia for later.

But it is really nice, too, because, as we said before, they're both pregnant at the same time. Clearly it worked because Doty got pregnant. Oh, you're right. Talk about good advertising for that place. Incredible. Everybody in the valley in the valley area, I don't care if you're in Santa Clarita.

Get down there and go to that acupuncture. Yeah, if you live by Danny and Santa Clarita, you get down there. I know they didn't move there. Where did they move, Valencia? They did move there. It is Santa Clarita. They really went there. Wow, good for him.

He did it. You did it, Danny. They did say, and it was funny, too, I'm watching it happens live because Andy obviously asked how long it takes them to get to the valley from there. And he was like, You know, I tell myself when there's no traffic, it's like 25 minutes. Like, all right, what is it really?

She's like an hour plus. Like, yep, sounds about right. Yeah, it's L.A. Yeah, bummer, dude. But we get to Danny and Luke. And obviously they're talking about Doty and Luke's journey with fertility. You know, they had two years together at this point. And he brings up a proposal, which is very interesting.

And they also discuss, I don't want to leave this out from before, but Luke and Doty did have a miscarriage last year. So they both are dealing with the fallout from that. But as we know, they're pregnant, about to have a baby. So congrats to them. But he's thinking about a proposal. So he tells Danny the fault. Danny the fault. Yeah.

One way to put him. Fucking Danny. I can't with that guy. But they start talking about the boys chat. This boys chat from day one when it came up, I was like, if Jacks isn't a boys chat. Yeah, it's got to be problematic. Got to be brutal. 25 guys.

Fucking insane. Ridiculous. I would leave immediately. The max I've been in is like a fantasy league or like an intermereal sports team, but you don't really do much in there. Our biggest one is what, eight? Yeah, something like that

and even that's a lot. Yeah, that one... Most of those guys don't actually participate. No. It's a good point. It's way better when it's something like that. Was it Danny or was it Jesse that was explaining? Jesse was explaining later because he said he got rookie of the year or whatever the first time when he was in there. Not a good award. Classic, you know, dude behavior.

but when they're talking about it, I'm like, what the fuck is going on with this whole voice chat? Because we keep bringing it up. Somebody says later, like, yeah, it's gotten a lot of people in trouble with it. Then stop saying things in there. It's crazy. Like, you fucking idiots? Like, what? How?

It's so funny. You can't blame a mole. Yeah. Stop saying stuff. Ooh, yeah, I do. I think both of the Tom's are in there. Both of the Tom's have to be in there. Who else?

This is fun. This is actually really fun because there's a lot of people. let's see a brock's probably in there brock yeah yeah brock's got to be in there right i think randall was ever in there no no chance um i can't see james kennedy james kennedy i don't see james kennedy in there really weirdly that's that's like right up his alley talking a bunch of bullshit i see him in there but like not talking i see him getting fucked up and saying the worst stuff in there that's a possibility Uh-huh, especially if Jacks is going and then James Jumson.

Or he's just sending, like, videos of him DJing and nobody responds to it. I could see that or just. There's a separate group chat where they make fun of them. The double secret voice chat. That one's really bad. You don't want to go in there. But anyway, apparently Jesse had said in this chat, Michelle is having sex with a billionaire for $1,500 a night.

And that comes off the heels of him questioning how she can afford to pay for where she's living because she hasn't made a commission in two years. I'm going to take everything that both of them say about each other, especially financially, with all of the grains of salt, because I don't know. Because they're both blaming each other saying that they're not paying for anything. Correct. So Michelle was saying that Jesse drained all of their accounts and she didn't get anything. They're not fully divorced yet.

So, you know, he's not paying child support. He's not doing this. Like anytime that they're talking about money, I'm just going to turn my brain off. Yeah, I don't. You're not going to get anything out of that. need a forensic accountant. Yeah. Or we just need the divorce to go final and then we can finally see.

Are you going to look that up? Yes. Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Wow, that would be the first one. You're a fucking idiot. But we get to Jason and Jesse. And Jason's not comfortable as Zach going because he's not comfortable with Zach around booze.

I guess this goes back to the party last year where he lost. And look, like, as a defensive husband. He's the bigger problem on booze, but... Dude, like, what the fuck? that came out of nowhere because they start talking about Danny drinking. Right? This was a fucking stray. And this was like a big deal.

And they went deep in depth. And they had a second scene where he's talking to Jasmine and I can't remember. Jasmine's girlfriend. Is her name also? No, it's Melissa. I thought it was Michelle. Yeah. Yeah, like this came out of nowhere.

Dude. Complete left field. And I don't know what they're setting up with this whole thing. It seemed like a very produced conversation, which is very weird to see on this show. Yeah, I agree. A lot of it's very fluid and organic and they're just talking about things that happened. There's a lot of chaos. This was out of nowhere, seemed rehearsed, and then they had follow-up things. I'm like, what are we doing? Are we going to see? I bet we get another bad Danny

night. We have to. I think that's probably what it is. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Might have a rough night there. But let's talk about it because I was blown away. I was like, oh, God. I was like, this is bad. That's a bad night. You should stop drinking after a night like that. And when it first started off, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's like chill out. Like, it doesn't seem that. And then it got very serious. And it makes the first thing that much worse because then you're like, oh, that was the intention. But Jesse was saying that he was like, yeah, you know, he has like one or two drinks and

then he'll go get another drink, but he'll have two shots at the bar really quick and like come back and act like nothing happens. I'm like, ooh. Yeah, that's not good. Why are we outing this? Like, are we sure that this happened? Are we sure? That's where I'm like.

And then we get into it and I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Let me go back and rewatch this. That's fair. And you watch it with a totally different lens because like when he said the two shots that when he goes to the bar, like, fuck, I used to do shit like that. That's a full-blown alcoholic move. I'm like, also like, do we know that that's true?

Are you guys just shit-talking him for some reason? Definitely true. By the end of the conversation, I'm like, ooh. Because the first thing, the first thing, I was like, yeah, that's, you're overreaching there. That's inappropriate. It could be chalked up to, you know, you're hammered. It's a close friend of yours. Like, don't do that again.

And that was the hand on the thigh. You don't get that of a drink. Like, not great. Not the worst. Until you hear that he grabbed Jasmine's girlfriend's ass. And I was like, oh, that makes the first thing grow, sir. Yeah, it just kept escalating. It's bad.

It was such a bizarre conversation. I still am unpacking my feelings about it. I know. I was kind of floored. Because it was like, all right, why are we doing this? And then Jason goes deep in depth explaining everything. I'm like, oh, fuck me. If Jason's saying this, I actually trust Jason.

100%. He seems like he's completely unbiased and he wouldn't be talking about this if there wasn't something involved. At first I thought, why are we talking about this? Then I'm like, all right, let's hear what Jason. has to say, that puts everything into a completely different light. Yes, it does. And the crazier thing, like we saw, he had a conversation with both of them.

It seems like everything's okay right now. It seems like they forgave him. Yeah. But then we just don't talk about it. Yeah. Then we just move on. I'm like, oh. That's why I feel like it's just like putting something out there.

It has to be because why else would that come out? You did have this conversation, guys, and now we see what happens in Santa Barbara or wherever. Well, I mean, based on last season watching him, was that Big Bear when he lost his shit? Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine this is... Yeah, because him and Nia went out and, like, had a conversation the day after, and there was, like, a heart to heart.

They got through it. It sounds to me like this is a reminder. Like, hey, remember, he has a weird relationship with alcohol. Keep that in mind for potentially this trip, I guess. That's, yeah, that's... That's where our heads go now. Yep. Well, yeah, it was fucking crazy.

I was blown away. But we get to Brittany, Doty, Luke, and Zach, and there are Britney's. They're getting ready to go over to Janet's birthday party at David. and Busters and what I'll say about Doty. And I've said this for a while on her return to TV. She is fairly reasonable when it comes to things like this. She's like, you know, do I want to go? Not really was I expecting to get invited.

Absolutely not. But Janet did invite me. That was very nice. I think she expected me to say no, but I'm saying yes. And I know she'll be nice to me because we're at Dave and Busters. And that's her favorite place. It was a really good point. And it's also, I liked there seemed to be a lot of sincerity in that.

I think it must have been hard for her to actually swallow. her pride and call me and say, hey, you are invited if you want to come. Yeah. So yeah, I'm going to think this thing through. I'm going to show up. And again, this is a stark contrast to last year where something like that could have happened and Doty wouldn't have gone. Right. And then we get no Doty. Right. So I like it so much better

this year. Growth. Well, I would imagine production got together. There's a lot of complaints last season from the audience of... That's what I've actually meant to talk about in the beginning of the season. What? You know when they're filming the reunion? When? Friday. This week? This

week. What episode are we on three is this another short run nope there's 15 episodes total oh great okay i don't know i guess that's including the plus reunion i would still be 12 or 13 it's a two or three part doesn't really matter to me right now right now i can already tell you we're probably going to need three parts and i'm going to love it but it's weird that they're doing it now like you need to see things unfold unless they have all the screeners and they're sitting at home watching it but like even then it's only three weeks into the season it just seems weird that's it yeah because you got to marinate on it then it happens in real time you got to take into account what everyone's saying

about it interesting or maybe jacks oh boy is currently sober oh so i'm gonna get it in real quick so they're like let's get this shit out of the way now okay or he potentially goes back interesting yeah interesting that's weird that's a really early reunion the film but Zach is not going to the party as we know and he's not upset about it but and i like that he calls this out he's like but christin invited and not me, Janet's scheming. I thought she would, too. Unless we pick up where we left off next week at Dave and Busters, we haven't seen any

scheming. I think we'll, but, like, we... She's too locked in. She doesn't have any time. She's too locked into tickets. Yeah, I don't think she's going to scheme, and I would have thought that, too. And when Zach started talking, I thought it was going to go a completely different direction. I thought he was going to say, kind of weird that she's inviting Kristen and not me,

considering, like, she threw both of us under the bus. It's like, well, you're still the culprit. Yeah, you're the one that said what you said, and you were drinking the whole time. So, like, you know, Jason's feelings are validated. Her feelings are valid. Everything makes sense. Don't go this route. And he didn't. He just said she's going to scheme, which we've seen in the past. I thought she was, too. She was trying to do that at the White Party.

Yes, she was. She just wasn't getting on board. Thank God, by the way. But Luke decides to mix it up. Luke doubled down and watch what happens live. Andy was like, do you regret spilling that tea? He's like, nope. Yep. Nope. And like, his reasoning for it, I liked even better because he tells everybody there about Michelle, allegedly being an escort, blah blah blah blah and when it goes to a confessional he's like i don't like the telephone game

i know this is going to get out yep i'm going to get ahead of this and and just say it now before you know what i think it is what i think he came home from danny and dody told him to him immediately told doty and then realized fuck are we going to be in the same position we were last year and dody's just going to blurt this out at a dinner in santa barbara i keep my wanting to say san clarita when we're on our trip she's just going to blurt it out and then she's going to be like enemy number one for everybody again. So he took the bullet. So he took it upon himself to do it a different way

and it was the smart move. It's funny. You look at it that way. I saw it differently. Okay. He goes home and tells Doty. Doty goes, you're going to say that in front of everybody later. Okay, that could very much be true too. She may have learned too. But she hasn't learned a whole lot. No, I don't even think it's... I don't even think that it's because she wants to save face. I think she's like,

ooh, that's good. We're going to use that. You saw this on camera? You were on camera? Yeah. All right, cool. Yeah. And now we know. And we need to drum up more interest in you, Luke, so you're going to drop this thing. And then when people call you out about it, you point to Danny. Yep. Good. And then you walk away, Scott Free. Because everyone's going to... You know what the other weird part about that whole... I keep going back to the alcoholic conversation than they had about Danny. They called him Danny. Yeah.

Isn't he just Daniel? I've always called him Danny. Oh, all right. It's been Danny and Nia. In my head, I'm like, they got to be talking about somebody else, right? No, well, that, yeah. I think I was doing that. You were just trying to make it, Daniel. No, no, no. He's been Danny always because I always in my brain want to say Dan Nia, because I'm stupid. That works. I know it does, but it's dumb. I'm just saying, like, that's where my head goes.

I don't say it out loud because it makes me sound stupid. But we get to Dave and Busters, finally. Aaron strolls in, gives a very awkward high-five and hugged to Jason. Those two are on the same wavelength. Yeah. I think they could vibe. Jason has an Android, though, so he's not in the guy's chat. That's the most real thing ever.

Yeah, I know, because nothing ruins green text. It's the worst. It ruins group chat. We've, in our one group chat, we've arguably guilt-tripped one of our members into buying an iPhone finally. Because he had an Android for fucking five years. Something like that. That was ridiculous. But shout out Zach.

Not this Zach, different Zach. You guys don't know this Zach. That's our Zach. Not Zach from the show. Yep. You guys get it? Do you get it? I get it.

All right, cool. Jesse arrives. It's funny to see no matter what's going on. He's trying to be cordial. he gives a weird high five to Michelle. I'm like, okay, cool. This is good. Just keep it there.

We'll go your separate ways. Nia goes to give him a hug, and she's like, oh, white shirt. I always get nervous because I'm getting my makeup on. He's like, he loves that. Do that because you always get pissed off at me, and I would wear a white shirt, and I would try to hug him. He'd be like, no. I'm like, I thought we were going to be cool.

I thought we were good. And he had it prep, too. He's like, yeah, you got the setting spray, right? You got to put that on. She's like, yeah, I don't always put that on. And that's when Michelle jumps in. It's like it sounds like he has this kind of planned out. He's like, I'm wearing a white t-shirt.

Don't give me a hug. You're going to get makeup all over my shirt. I got to change. I don't want to do this shit. She's turning this into, oh, yeah, he loves that. Yeah, it's so funny. I just assume that no matter what's going on, one of them is going to say some shit to the other one every single time that they get into a room. And I can't tell you who's going to start it.

So far in the group settings, it's Michelle that starts. So far. I don't think that's going to, yeah, I don't think that's going to be the same the whole time. But Janet goes through her Dave and Buster's routine. I'm on board with it. You got the fanny pack. You got the power cards. You got the wristbands.

You go and scope out. I've never done that move. No. That's a veteran move. Yeah, you walk through the prizes first. Big respect for that. You set your sights on what you want. I would have picked different things.

For sure. But you know what? At that point, I'm not going to nitpick. No, me neither. Because I appreciate the attention to detail. I will say this. and you can attest to this. I'm a horrible basketball player.

Good of pop shot, though. One of the best. I set high scores all over the United States. Can't shoot a basketball in real life, but you give me pop shot, bang, I'll hit that shit. I went on a bachelor party in Austin, and for whatever reason, most of the bars there have pop shot. That's awesome.

Every bar should have. Every bar should have it. If you're in one of those places, and Austin is a very saturated bar market. Sure. But still, there are a lot of them. I tried to set the high score on all. Did you? How many did you get?

Four or five, but then we ended up going back to the same bar again and it was reset and I couldn't tell if it was reset or like there were a couple that the high score replaced me but I definitely scored more. Oh, that's bullshit. They reset it every day. That bothers me.

You can't reset it. That shit needs to live forever. You can reset it every weekend, but not every night. No, you got to let that shit live. Unless it's like so outrageous that you need to restart it. 99 points right here, no big deal. No big deal. 99 points.

Doesn't go higher than that. But anyway, Brittany, Nia, and Michelle have a quick conversation because Brittany wanted to ruin Michelle's night, I guess, but there's just the timing. Can you wait until afterwards? Look, I appreciate the timing.

I, well, from a TV standpoint, for sure. This is exactly what Luke wanted, by the way. I know. I'm not playing telephone. I'm going to tell you. You're going to go tell Michelle. We're all done this in one day. Which is technically telephone.

Yeah. He just started it. So I guess he... Oh, he's not going to go to Michelle. No, of course not. But Brittany shares the comment that was made in the boys chat, and obviously Michelle's upset.

I don't think... Anyone's going to take it well when you find out that you were called a hooker in a group chat of 25 plus morons? They're probably going to sting a little bit, rightfully so. So what does it? What happens? Danny comes over. You know Nia texted him, by the way. You need to come over here right now.

Yeah. You did something. She was the only one who was talking. Because when he's walking over, he's got that concerned. What? He knows. He knows exactly what it is. Yeah.

But Nia is the only one looking at him. Everyone else is like, oh, yeah, there's Danny. Neegas him like that disappointed like, hmm, you piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah, fucking your boy's chat, you idiots. But they ask him, hey, is this true? He still has an answer. He still has an answer.

He still has an answer. He got through a commercial break, the rest of the episode, and now a couple of days. Still no answer. He's just like, oh, man. Yeah. Ah, damn. And it goes to confession. He's like, Luke, what the fuck, man?

It's like, no, no, no, sir. You broke the boy. Choice chat, stupid rule. Again, I think Nia says it later when she's in a confessional. Any idiot that texts us to a group of 20 plus dudes assuming it's not going to leak is fucking dumb. I think that, by the way, that's the mole right there. Danny? It's Danny.

I think so, too. He's either telling Nia or Nia is going into his phone and seeing it. Either are. These are fucking morons. I'm going to clearly go tell Brittany. But multiple wives have said, I've gone through the boys chat. It's disgusting. Don't go in there.

But all these guys in that group, it's like Fight Club, first rule about Fight Club. I was confused, too, because they did say that, and they did it in a setting with Janet. Jason's not in the boys' chat. Danny was the only one who was in the boys chat.

Nia might have taken his phone and showed everybody. Yeah, a thousand percent. Like, when she said that, I'm like, oh, you are the mole. You're the mole. Yeah. Danny passively the mole, or actively now,

but originally passively. Yeah, 100%. But I just, it cracks. me up that they think that there's like this cone of silence over a boys group chat. Like, of course the shit's going to get out. That's the funniest part because they're talking about

the boys chat. It's like, this boy's chat has caused so many problems. It's like, why do you guys keep saying things in here? If you guys keep getting in trouble. Well, I don't even think it's necessarily their fault. It's probably going to end up being Jacks's's. Oh, I'm sure. You're in a boys chat. Wait a minute. Jack's is the mole.

That guy can't keep a secret to save his life. Apparently, it had to do with him. that's what the big issue was. I'm sure that some things were leaked about him. Like, how does Brittany find out that I'm with these girls now? Let's assume. Well, you do have a ring camera, and you do have cameras on your property that she has access to.

That she looked and showed us, by the way. Leaving panties on the sink. You also just have a history, so we assume. Yeah. I'm going to actually, let's say that the Tom's are in it. James is in it. Jacks is in it. All of those guys would say this.

The only one that I think might not is Schwartz, but he would do it accidentally and go, oh, wait, oh, shit. I was supposed to say that. Yep. Quote unquote by accident. He knows what he's doing. You can't find a mole in here. There's too many idiots.

Yeah, that's a good point. But Kristen arrives and Janet puts on this like, oh, you know, I'm hoping that we can be friends again. Like, we still have a friendship ring, this, that, the other. I don't know what to think when it comes to her being on the up and up about anything that has to do with other people. I'm solely focused on I enjoyed her at Dave and Busters. I think that, yes, right now that's all I'm really concerned with. Yeah, because all I really care about is watching that. And even now, she took away from her game time to go talk to Kristen.

Mm-hmm. Oh, that's a good point. Nobody else got that chat. Hey, that's a good point. That's a really good point. She stiffed on Michelle when she was playing the coins game as she was crying. Be fair. Dude.

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It's never just coffee. Michelle makes a statement that Jesse's broke and can't pay rent. So again, we're not putting any stock into who's broke and who's not because we don't know. But she is really upset. and this made me sad she's like is it my fault and i believe this this is the stuff where i'm like yeah she has been through it she's like is it my fault my husband didn't want to touch me or hug me or anything for all these years i'm like that's that's valid and i'm sure that's real especially when he checked out when isabella was born your postpartum you're getting your body back you're

getting everything leveled out it's got to feel like you were discarded so i i'm with you there that has to suck so that made me feel really bad but before we get to the uh the vote poll The poll, if you want to say. We get Danny, Jesse, and Jason. And I appreciated this move from Danny. Just get ahead of, just go let him know. Yeah. He walks right up to him.

He's like, what's up over here? Hey, yo, I need to tell you something. I told, I told about the hooker. I let it slip. I say, I'm not the mall. Actually, I told Luke, and then Luke told everybody. Yeah, it's Luke's fault. Yeah.

No. Thankfully, Jesse didn't immediately blame Luke for it. No, but it's not Luke's fault. It's not Luke's fault. It's Danny's fault. It's 100% Danny's focus was fully on Danny.

As it should be. This is, and look, I don't know. I've got thoughts about the conversation itself. Michelle being an escort for a billionaire

with a B, but only making $1,500 a night, is insane. That's dumb. It is so stupid and insane that it could very well just been a joke that he's just trying to get

some giggles from. I think it was just the stupid boys in the group chat. But it also, the fact that when Danny comes over and he's just not shocked at all, he's like, okay, yeah,

I see this. Jackson, I think that there's a mole in the chat. Maybe it's you. Seems like it could be. I put that out there as bait to throw that out there. I don't think he did, but an all-time spin move. Throw it out there and then make Danny feel even worse. Now, Danny's going to be thinking about everything.

It's a good spin, but it's the amount of emphasis placed on it. Like, we had to find the mole. It's like, you guys are so weird with this fucking group. I don't feel this way about any of my group chats. This was like a 10-person group chat. Yeah. And you thought that there was a mole in there and you put that out there. and you're 21 years old in a frat house,

I get it. Then you probably put a lot more stock. It's a 40-person group chat and you're 42 years old doing this, no. That's weird. Yeah. It's weird for the frat boys, but I do understand, like, you're going to put more emphasis.

I do think divorced guys in, like, their 40s that, like, still, you know, they make money. They are frat boys. They still look pretty good. They're frat boys. Yeah, 100%. They're even more fratier than the guys in their 20s. Yeah, because now they have a disposable income.

They can go do stupider things. That's a really good point. I like that comparison. Nicely done, sir. But as all of this is breaking down, somebody goes to check in with Janet, and she just cannot be bothered. Like, she's winning games.

And it's literally like when you and I go to the casino and, like, hit blackjack. Like, it's just the coin game where you drop the coin that pushes the coins off. She's like, let's fucking go. Woo! Like getting that ding, ding, ding sign. Get the fuck out of my face.

I'm working. It's also like one of our friends coming over that was playing the slots for the last, like, two hours. With a $20 ticket they won. Like, what? What do you update? me on. All right. Cool. See you later. It's the one guy at the casino that you get there. They lose all of their money in the first

20 minutes and then their whole job the rest of the night is to be behind you, annoying you. Annoying you and hoping that the waitress coming by can give you a free drink. Exactly. That's all it is. So that's what everyone else is doing. Janet can't be bothered. But you get Michelle and Aaron real quick and she tells Aaron, you know, it's nice to see him support. It's weird that he's like, why do you care? It's like, well, he called her a hooker in a group chat. I mean, and like with details even. So it gives it, makes it seem somewhat valid. You're so much stronger than that, babe. Yeah, you're so much, you're the strongest person I've met, babe. Shut up, Aaron. But yeah, I don't like Aaron, but don't go to Santa Barbara,

by the way. Please don't. Just don't want to see you. Him and Jason talking about doing a jersey swap at the beginning of this whole thing is so fucking funny to me, but Jesse's now talking to Jasmine about the mole as though she gives it. That's my favorite part. This was a good Jasmine episode, too. Great Jasmine episode. She did a lot more of Jasmine. I, yeah, she did an awesome job. I'm excited to see more of her this season. I really like she's great commentary on what's going on. I've really enjoyed her. That's a good point too. But Michelle,

oh man, I was team Michelle for the most of this episode. And then she decides to change the mood. I'm like, fuck yeah, all right. Yeah, your friends are here. You don't have to let this idiot drag it down. She's like, you know what? I am going to go to Santa Barrow. I was like, hell yeah. Don't let him dictate your good times. But Jesse needs to stay in a hotel over there. I was like, Oh, what?

It's his trip. He's not going to go for that. He would never agree. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do a vote. Survive. I'm going to go to every single person that's going to Santa Barbara. I'm going to walk up to them tonight and tell them how I feel. And they're going to have to tell me to their face if they vote yes, Jesse or no, Jesse.

Why would you do this? Especially if you're trying to hang on to this good move. Yeah. Like, you know, you're also putting all of your friends in a horrible spot. Yeah. Especially asking them point blank to their face. She asks Doty and Jasmine. and they're both like, Jesse.

Yeah. Sorry. Hate for the house. He invited all of us. I'm helping him with the trip. She's like, well, one of us can go stay in the hotel. Like, then it has to be you. Because it's not your trip, though.

And this whole thing's just going to blow up in your face and you're going to end up not staying at a hotel. No, she goes on the trip. We know that. She saw scenes from next week. But, like, but Doty's response, especially in her confessional, she's like, you know, if you are at escort and you're making that much money, you can go get yourself a nice hotel.

Look, Doty, going to dody. She's still going to get shady at some point. But it ends with Jesse saying, like, obviously, Michelle and I need to have a conversation. It says something about like, you've got settle it in the ring. I'm like, maybe just talk this one out. Like, that would be, it's never going to happen. Not a settle it in the ring is like one of the most hype for a reality TV trip thing that I've ever heard. Oh, you stoked now for? I'm humped for that. Oh, you think the ring is Santa Barbara? Yes, that's exactly what the ring is. Oh, see, I took it as like, we need to talk before we go.

No, no. Settle it in the ring in Santa Barbara. It's going to be good, but again, this is what I said. Full circle. Wow, that was a 45-minute full-circle moment. Nice job. I'm going to bring it back again, full circle.

To, oh, fuck, I lost my train. I thought I had it. What were just talking about? The ring. What's the ring? Just don't do that. The ring. Settle in the ring.

Oh, the... The friendship ring? No, I had it. I had it. We could have had a double full circle moment. Oh, because she doesn't wear the ring when she goes on hikes? No. Oh, okay.

No, yeah, you're reaching. I think you're focused on the... I'm reaching. Yeah, because now you're... I don't even know what you're talking about. I would try to hone in and you say other things and then I get confused. Uh, shit. I lost it.

Well, that's our show. Let's get to questions. Uh, from... Kate Elfman. Just for fun, who on this cast would do well on the traitors? Ooh. Doty. Doty would be great.

Jason could be that, like, unassuming. Jason could be a sleeper. Yeah, like the Iver roll. Yeah. Jason, I think, could be a good. I don't think Danny would be very good. Danny would be awful. Janet could go either way.

She could be great or she could be. too confident with it. Yeah, that's kind of like the Jesse and Jacks type of thing. Yeah. It's like they're going to be too confident going into it. Exactly. And then probably fizzle out immediately. One more.

Yeah, I don't know. She's just going to look about how much she misses her kids the whole time. She could take on a Dolores role. She could. Ah, boy. Yeah, I think, I mean, Doty's a clear answer. I think that Jason's a great answer. I think that's a sneaky good one.

Yeah. Lala and Sheena. Uh, from Colleen being 11, who in the right mind would stay captive in a 25 plus person group chat? Not me, not steal. Did you imagine trying to go through that thread? Oh, God. Especially with those guys. That shit would be odd, do not disturb immediately, and then after two days, I'd probably be out.

The only time I would do, like, open it or texting it is if I was, like, coordinating something and needed people to respond. Uh, from Jacqueline Michelle Cress. Have you guys ever cried at Dave and Busters? Tears of joy, maybe. Yeah, just, like, second. I'm excited tears. Yeah. From Sarah D.

What's wrong with me? I found Janet kind of fun in this episode. Nothing's wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with that. Hey, credit where credits do always. All right. We go episode to episode. People can shift the season.

It's a great performance. You got to give her some props. Somebody's on your side from Sarah Polarty. At Brits, when Luke was telling the Michelle story, do you think Kristen coached him to reveal it? Yeah. That's a steel seems to think. Theory.

Called a Steely theory. Steery. Steery. A little steery. From Brandz Eighty-2, would you side with Michelle and ice Jesse out of his rental? Absolutely not. No, I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. That's all. Like, he coordinated the whole trip. You can't vote out the person that put the trip together. I agreed. From the mellow knee. why would Danny think with the camera is going that Luke had any other choice but to spill?

That's a good question. Valid point. He's not new on the show. That's a really good point. And Meloney, if your name is Melanie, Bravo. Well done. Well done indeed.

This is just wrong. From C. Wright, FAM 6. Shooter, you can't still be on the Jesse train. He's so manipulative and slimy. That's your opinion. Stay out of my mentions. Shooter's army's going to rapidly decline after this season of the valley. I want to find one more.

Oh, this is more of a statement, but I like this one. From Jennifer McCumber, Michelle is so awful, she's making me a fan of Jesse. I don't have my phone to, like, counter it. You can just don't propaganda out there. Oh, no. What you're talking about? Whatever, dude. But, yeah, just a great show.

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