Bros & Shows - Deep Into The City of Despair (In The City Full Recap S1E1)

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

What's up bros? We're right into a new show that feels like an old show that feels somewhat new if you know what we mean. On the heels of a very sad and dramatic conversation in the Hamptons, Kyle & Amanda head back to the city for new beginnings and sad endings. We're introduced to a slew of new people that look destined for the fame that only reality TV can provide; let's hope these new, fragile relationships don't crumble because of it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we finally made it to In the City. We've been talking about it for a long time. And I think that all of the shenanigans going on with West and Amanda have made it seem like this has been going on for like two fucking years. But we made it to In the City with arguably the saddest intro to a show that you could ever have. I loved it. I loved every second of that intro. It was actually really well done. It's kind of funny the way that they went about it.

And we'll get more into the beginning of the episode on the other half of this. But yeah. I thought it was a great intro. I really did. The transition from Summerhouse, the very sad conversation between Kyle and Amanda, driving back to the city.

Don't worry, we're picking up cameras almost immediately. It seems like they did it a couple weeks later, so I'm all into it. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man,

it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by Big Apple Goots. What's up, dude? I was really worried going into this because there were rumors that they had picked up cameras for the West and Amanda stuff that they wanted to add into the in the city season.

I genuinely thought we were going to have a sit-down. and I was going to have to hear Danielle's thoughts on West and Amanda. I really did. I really thought they were just going to have a bunch of people that we don't really know that well yet. And Danielle talk about West and Amanda. And thankfully, they didn't. The opening scene for this is as good as it gets. And I don't really understand why they plugged it so much because you get like three minutes.

And I guess, yeah, it's the first time that we've seen anybody actively talk on camera about West and Amanda. but I don't know why they like marketed this so much. I guess they did it to get viewers, but like this show's going to get viewers either way because people want to keep going. They want to be Sherlock Magoutes. Exactly. And you know,

I got confused with the timeline when we hit the seven months prior because I was like, wow. What were we recording? Was it Rhode Island or Atlanta maybe that you were like, yeah, it was before. I was like, what? I think we're all confused. Oh, yeah.

I was confused too. it was confusing it's april ninth is when it kicks off which is the news the joint statement was released on march 31st we have deduced so this conversation is after he knows about west and amanda which was actually really surprising when i realized that because of how calm cool and collected he was yeah right i guess there's an aspect to it you know you take the viewers at home out of it where it's like they were separated. So he's looking at it from that angle. But I thought that he was very composed given the crazy shit going on.

Yeah, he was, wasn't he? I mean, it's more of the same. We've watched his interview on the streets when he had the two dogs and he got stopped by the guy who does interviews on the streets in New York. And he seemed pretty calm. And that's when he started talking about it. It's the iconic Carl is a mess. But he was also talking about Amanda's mental health.

and all the things that she's going through and how she's just getting berated online. So we wanted to save some space for her. So I guess it's in line with that, but I did think that a one-on-one scene between the two of them was going to be a little more contentious than what we watched. I agree. And, you know,

I mean, I guess we just jump right in since we already are. But it was interesting to hear him comment on what we watched during the season. Because we all saw an Amanda that was completely checked out, both feet out of this whole thing. And he calls that out. And she leads it off with like, I wanted to make it work so badly.

Like the idea of existing without you was impossible and made it so hard to call it quits and blah, blah, blah. All I got from Amanda in this scene was heavy PR. Heavy, heavy. I need to try to protect my image because the stuff she was saying did not align with what we watched all summer. It doesn't make any sense. No, it really didn't. And it gives you a glimpse into what the reunion's going to be like as well, because this was prior to the reunion filming, because they had pushed that off a little bit to try to get all their ducks in a row. So if this is the Amanda that we see in the beginning of in the city or whenever they filmed this, which was well after they stopped filming in the city, then this is probably a version of the Amanda that we're going to get at the reunion.

But Kyle is going way softer on her than everybody else at the reunion will. But it's very, very, very PR influence. It's very, very, I'm going to stick to this timeline no matter what. So I hope that there is a lot of heavy, heavy lines of questioning going on at the reunion where we try to hammer out this timeline because she is just adamant. There was no emotional affair. There was nothing going on.

I don't care. I really don't care what either of them say. I don't care what Kyle says. I don't care what Andy says. You cannot convince me that something wasn't going on towards the end, especially after that season finale that we just watched on Tuesday. There's too many interactions, like whispers in the ear that she always goes to him to like finally let go.

Like we saw her multiple times put on a brave face, quote unquote, with everybody else. And the minute that she hugs West, it's, it's bawling. It's her crying and like releasing. You don't do that with somebody you're just friends with, especially another dude.

Like that doesn't make any sense to me. And, you know, Kyle's addressing, and I like that he doubled down. And I don't mind that he is, call him cool and collect. I don't need him to like berate his ex.

Like that's not, not on for anybody. So I appreciate his approach to it because he's just questioning. He's like, well, all right, well, like make it make sense because it wasn't just one foot out. It was both beat out. And she's like,

this is where I completely dipped on her even remotely trying to be authentic. She's like, I was so afraid when we ended things. We'd be out of each other's lives forever. I couldn't handle that. That doesn't make sense because you were the one pushing for a separation. You were the one that lied to his face at the end. of the season in saying, you know, Sierra brought it up and I was like, oh, I don't want to go

down that road. That's not what you said. You went to that lunch after therapy and you bashed the relationship, calling it a more of a thriller than a rom-com or whatever the fuck he said. So if you want to get separated, that is quite literally wanting him out of your life in some capacity. So to say now, it's like, I couldn't handle losing you. Well, that's not what we watched all summer.

What we watched all summer is you trying very hard to get him out of your life. So that doesn't track. I, in a vacuum, I understand those feelings if they were true of I just needed to change. I mean, that's kind of what we saw at the end of Summerhouse anyway. We need to change something, which I wholeheartedly agreed on whether you care about the West and Amanda shit at all. It's that in a vacuum, I fully agree. And then if you have a conflict of interest and you have some conflicting feelings a little bit

later where you're like, yeah, I do still think that separation was the right call, but I do miss you in my day-to-day life, which all we heard for the last three years is that she was having the best time of her life while Kyle was away. When Kyle was at the summer house and she was back in the city, she said it's the best weekend I've ever had. It's something I desperately needed. So now you're telling us this and that comes back to play with the current events. This is a conversation about West and Amanda after their dual statement. That's why she's doing this. She's trying to tug on Kyle's heartstrings.

She's trying to say, I was trying to come to grips with the fact that you're not in my life anymore. you're just trying to go back to whatever safe space you think Kyle might be or your marriage might be to get away from all of it. Again, I understand that and I get that. But I do feel like you are kind of just pissing on our back and telling us it's rating. Yeah, exactly. And I guess the actual phrase is pissing on your leg. Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's rating.

I like piss on my back better. But how would you know, the, I guess, yeah, I don't know. Probably better. Yeah, sure. But you have to be wearing shorts. For the late, not really. I got peed on at an Eagles game. Yeah, but if you feel it like through your pants, it's just like, what the hell's going on?

That's what happened. Rain wouldn't be my first thought. If it was on my back, I'd be like, oh, wow, is it drizzling? No, it was a Cowboys Eagles game. And it was like December. And I remember I was at the urinal and there's a man next to me. And then there was an empty urinal to my right. And mid-piss, this dude just fucking switched journals.

And I felt something against the back of my jeans. I was like, what was that? but the guy that was next to me was like, dude, what the fuck? And I was like, wait, what? And I turned around. I was like, oh, no, I just got peed on. The worst part is I went back out and it was so cold that my jeans froze from this. Bill birds.

Maybe that was his lucky urinal. We don't know. I have no idea. Did they win? We did. Yeah. So I'll take one for the team. But yeah, my jeans froze with someone else's pee on them, Gilberts.

But the Westing comes up and, you know, obviously she's going to deny it. But taking the approach of like nothing was happening for you didn't question my faithfulness in any capacity. It's like, don't be that tone deaf. Well, then she started talking about him cheating on her. And that's where it just gets murky and that's where it gets annoying to.

And that's just you got caught. Like you should just be coming hat and hands appreciating that he's not openly bashing you to the people he's talking to and just saying, and I know cameras are there. So it does make things weird. But you should be saying like, I don't know what to do. I'm spiraling. I like be open like this is what we talked about in the finale with Amanda we don't know what her personality is we truly don't she she's a weird camellian and that might be her personality but

that doesn't track for anything so you should be coming and being like look I'm going through it the public backlash is insane I don't know how to handle it try to help me handle it like you seem to be doing pretty well on your own let's just talk about that but in the instead she gets defensive and she's like pushing it back on the Kyle it's like dude you guys haven't figured anything out and you're still coming to him saying that you miss being with him and you missed your marriage. Like that doesn't make any sense to me. No, not given your behavior. You know, you're going out in wigs and shit.

But yeah, I thought that Kyle handled himself well. And I think that he's right and saying, I think you're thoughtless and reckless in this whole thing. But I do worry about your mental health. And like, you know, it's a very honest approach to this thing where he's like, look, regardless of what happens, like everything moving forward is because I care about you. It's not that I'm trying to get back in your good graces. not trying to rekindle anything, but we were together for 10 years. Like, I fucking care about you. And I miss you in some capacity.

I want to make sure you're all right. What made me the saddest was, you know, we've talked a lot in our summer house recaps of all of the sudden she turned into this party animal. She wants to go out with West. She wants to do all these things. But with Kyle, she never did any of those things. When Kyle said, it makes me sad that some. someone else gets the version that I fell in love with.

That made me really sad because like this is up clearly was not the Amanda that always was there. Like what happened during their relationship and Kyle's to blame for so much. I'm not taking away from that at all. We have to emphasize that every time. But where along this journey with them because he's indicating that she used to be that person and now she is that person again. So when did that shift happen and why?

I have no idea and that goes back to her personality and who she actually is. It went back to that when she started hanging out with Westmore. That's really what it was. It's just her being around all those dudes and we saw it online, whether you were questioning it or not.

It sounds like your wife was questioning it. Deb was on that shit, dude. She was on that shit. I give her all the credit. We're going to need proof on that one for me to actually dub her as a good detective. But I do think, yeah, I do think that honestly,

that's what happens. I mean, she just didn't really know. We saw the personality crisis. We saw her going one way, kind of pulling in a different direction, but depending on who she was with. We saw a lot of that happened in last summer. And now she's back to this. It's like, I don't know when you're telling the truth.

And I don't think you're actively lying. I just don't think that you even understand what you're going through. I don't think that you even understand how your feelings are being portrayed in a day-to-day basis. Like, do you want to be with Kyle? Do you want to get back to that? Or is that just a safe space because you know how to handle that? you know how to navigate that or were you having a ton of fun being single and then you shacked up

with the west and then everybody found out about it and now you're just kind of crawling up into a ball that is your ex-marriage i mean that's kind of what i'm getting from it i think it is that i think it's safe space she doesn't really know how to navigate what's going on nor would most people that are normal like this is not a normal thing but it takes me back to like okay you know we're going to see a lot of this towards the end. I'm not sure, because in the city, filmed before the summer, as we find out with the seven months later, but did it?

Like, that's where I got confused because they referenced things. They, they, Lindsay, when we get to Lindsay in a second. Seven months earlier was like August. Okay,

okay, okay, that's what I got fucked up. They picked up cameras. I believe somebody did say, um, it was like two or three weeks. So it's somewhere in like mid-September is when they picked it up.

And it's funny, too. because later in this episode, like mid-episode, you have Kyle sitting down. I'm going to need like a fucking tracker on people because the only name I can remember right now is Kenny, but we'll get there where we get there. But when Kyle's sitting down and talking about it. I think he was sitting down with Kenny, actually.

That was a picture that we saw Take in. We also saw Andrea and Lexi doing something in Central Park. That was around like mid-September. And when it popped up, I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember seeing that picture. That's funny. Now we get some contacts to that. Yeah, I'm stoked on our screens.

I forgot how much I love that guy. But yeah, I mean, it's just a bizarre. start it's a good start like not in a negative way bizarre just like watching we don't ever get that where we go from one show and all of these emotions and crazy shit going on and then poof we go to another show and it's the continuance of that so i thought that was a really good way to start the show it's just you know i'm i'm afraid that all we're going to get when it comes to that stuff is tears tears tears pity me please and we're going to or she's going to attempt to have people

forget what she did. And I'm not down with that at all. And I think that's bullshit. Like we need to. No, not all. I'm not saying that we need to fucking pile on and make her life awful, but we cannot give her a pass because she's quote unquote fragile. I think that's bullshit.

She fucked up a lot of people's lives with all this nonsense. And it deserves to be addressed. I think that's fair. Yeah, absolutely. Well, moving right along. We go to seven months earlier. then we get the like what I would call the real intro to the show and that's Lindsay and Gemma and kind of framing what this is going to look like and obviously we get her new chaotic life

with the baby and this new chapter of adulthood and kind of mapping out what we can expect to see from her and her group of friends it's a lot of 40 somethings that are legit trying to be grownups which is always kind of funny and in New York City is a great setting like we've been asking for in the city for a very long time we really have honestly. And we talked about this in our Recap, Recap, Valley episode that's also out today. And this is the good version of that. At least

this is what we think. It's going to get messy, which all reality TV does. But I don't think it's going to get quite as dark as the valley. This is way more interesting to us. This is something like Steele just said that we've been talking about with Summer House for our recaps for years because those scenes of going back to the city were much more fun.

It was much more indicative of what's going on in their lives than going up to the Hamptons and just having a weird theme party. So I'm really looking forward to that aspect. And this is Lindsay's show. This is what this opening scene told me. I would actually think it's kind of funny if Lindsay was watching and she's like, what the fuck? This is my show. Why are they starting off with the man in Kyle?

It would be funny. But it was supposed to be the first scene. It was supposed to be Lindsay's life in the city, Kyle's life in the city, Amanda, obviously. And then this whole new spread of people that we've kind of seen come in and out like Katie and her husband, whose name is going to allude me for a while. I don't think it's Nick. But we've known

Yvonne. We've known a lot of people. Is it? I thought Yvonne's husband was Nick. I don't remember what the hell's going. I can tell you. We'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there. But yeah, so the way that it gets played out is going to be very interesting because I think that these people have been around Kyle and Lindsay for a long time.

They do know each other. They've been friends for years in the city. It's going to work. It's absolutely going to work. And there's going to be some downtrodden times. But other than that, I think it's going to be a good time because Lindsay's kind of showcasing your skills right now. Yeah, and I think that, like I said, like you said, we've been looking forward to this for a very long time. And the dichotomy of this versus a valley is there's just

something Danny Pellegrino said it the best. It's aspirational. It's kind of fun to watch them navigate the city. You have a lot of very successful people bopping around, going to cool lunches, going to cool bars. Like, it's just kind of, there's a better vibe to it where the valley is just kind of like downtrodden and depressing. So it's nice to see a similar. show not framed as let's see how dark we can get again it's going to get messy it's going to get dark we know it's coming down the road but with lindsay at the helm i think we're going to get a lot of wacky fun kind of just crazy moments that's not going to get bogged down because if we know anything about lindsay it's that she can have a tough moment and then poof two seconds later she

bounces back and gets a totally different vibe and i think that's going to be really important to the show she's also a producer's dream i mean she really is Correct, exactly. She's going to put the work in. That's what we appreciate. But we start to get introduced to everybody. Obviously, Vaughn's been sprinkled into Summer House to get us ready for this. And they've been best friends for 13 years.

You know, we get the very interesting mental image of Yvonne milking Lindsay whilst drinking tequila. Just to show you how close they are, which is great. I think I'm going to love Georgina because the acknowledgement of, yeah, I fucking lost my mind. I went kind of nuts there. I'm like, okay. She said, yeah, it was December in New York City. It was cold out. I was pregnant. I was going through a lot. I broke my ankle. I didn't know what the hell was going on.

I couldn't walk anywhere. And my husband left me or my boyfriend left me or my fiancee left me, whatever it was. So I've been through it. And I do think that that's a good thing. And then you go back to Lindsay talking about like, I want to be able to highlight single mothers in New York. I'm like, hell yeah, this is great. Fuck yeah.

And she literally's like, I'm surprised I'm not unsnapped. So this is, I think I'm going to like you, Georgie. I think you're going to be a good reality TV star. But we get to Amanda and Lindsay shopping. And this is post Summerhouse. This is post them departing not together. And obviously she stayed in hotel, probably with West, but who knows, I guess. And I like, it's so tough.

We've been talking about this on Summerhouse, like to separate what we know from what we're watching. Because I completely agree. I didn't want to fall into the routine, diving back into the same old shit, going back home, sweeping things under the rug. I get that. Like that, that logically makes total sense to me. It's just hard to, like, not acknowledge, like, well, yeah, but you're also fucking West probably.

So that's a whole different thing because you guys are in couples therapy. And I just feel like, and we're not in the room, right? We don't know how those therapy sessions are going. It just feels like no matter what. What goes on no matter what said, it's like Kyle's the fucking problem. Like no matter what, like he made a comment. This is interesting because it's subtle, but she's like, he made a comment like maybe you should get your own place.

Not for nothing, but you're the one that's been pushing a separation. Now he brings up like maybe she gets your own place and you use it in a derogatory way. Like can you believe this? He's telling me to get my own spot. It's like, well, wait, were you not the one to broach this topic with Sierra? So how is he now a villain for acknowledging like maybe you should like that's like a confused. I mean, at the same time, it is incredibly funny and partially wrong to say, you owe me back rent and you owe me $1,000. Dude, that is like, that is the pettiest move of all

time. But what Amanda said, I had that money. It wasn't even a problem. I just paid him so I could be done with it. No skin off my back. Where was that money while Kyle was struggling? I thought you were a married couple. Where was that money when Carl needed investments into soft bar? Why didn't you I like that and say, this is from me and Kyle. We're a married couple. You deserve this, Carl.

We want the best for you. Instead, I had that money just sitting in a back account. It wasn't that big of a problem. $117K. You couldn't give Carl 15K. You couldn't give them $20K and say this is for me and Kyle. Everybody would know it's probably just from you giving Kyle's financial struggles.

I'm not saying that you need to pump money into Loverboard to keep that fucking sinking ship afloat, although it's doing well now. So that's great, but only because of your transgression. You could argue Amanda saved lover boy, honestly. Yeah, but like you were living there rent free. You had all this cash stacked up and you couldn't invest into soft bar for Carl. What the fuck is that?

I thought you guys were friends. No, maybe not. I mean, Carl's obviously got Kyle's back. So who cares about that? What are we doing? Like, that was the first thing I thought of. I agree. Like, obviously a petty move.

It's interesting to watch the discourse online with that one because a lot of people are taking the angle of how dare she not pay rent. And like I think, I think that like, if that was their setup, it's hard to argue, like, if that's how they were living, because I'm sure that Kyle wasn't thinking, I'm going to pay your rent, but if we get divorced, you're going to owe me back pay. I think this is all just a product of obviously going down the line. But yeah, yeah, it was very funny to me that there's a lot of people out there like,

that's fucking bullshit. She should pay them. It's like, hey, to each their own. I don't know. I don't know what the correct answer to this one is, but I do think that my favorite angle is, where was the money for soft bar? I didn't even think of that. Yeah, yeah, that's the best way to go about it.

Because I really don't, I don't think that Kyle's right to ask her for money. I think that if she was living there weirdly rent free as your wife, it's not really rent free because you guys are married. That's kind of what I thought. For money. Like, I think that's wrong. I think it's undoubtedly incredibly funny. So I'm just going to lead into that.

And I'm going to lead into the softbar angle. That's where I am. Yeah, I'm landing on the softbar angle too. It absolves us of having to make an actual decision. It just shows how much of a shitty friend she is. Like, when you talk about Kyle being a bad friend to Carl, you've known Carl just as long and you're a shitty friend. Yep, I love this angle.

This is much better. But we get our beautiful, beautiful boy back on screen, Andrea and his princess, Lexi. And they just, they do. They seem like a fairy tale. They seem perfect for each other. I forgot how delightful Andrea is. Like, he's such a bright light on these shows.

So I'm stoked that he's back on screen. I can't wait to see how he navigating it. gates this season. I'm very curious when shit starts to hit the fan with the West stuff, what his take is going to be just because he is usually like just the, that's have fun. I love everybody. Give me a kiss. You look beautiful. Here's some coffee. So to see him like actually have to dive into some real shit, it's going to be very fascinating to watch. But they do. They just seem like this beautiful fairy tale couple that's just madly in love with each other,

two supermodels falling over each other in New York City. Like that's going to be such a great reprieve built into this show. Shit's getting heavy. What are Andre and Lexi doing? Let's go be happy for a minute. Yeah, I think the cast and everybody watching is just going to gravitate towards these too. It's like,

yeah, you guys don't have a problem in the world. I believe everything you're saying. I really hope that nothing bad ever happens to either of you or within your relationship because I need you guys to be that set or force that just resets everything for me. Yes. Let's go through some shit with other people.

And then let's go just check in with Andrea and Lexi, who are in Central Park having a picnic and just look at. beautiful that's what i want to say i agree i think it's built in it's built into this show and i love that because we know it's going to get heavy with kyle and amanda we know that lindsay's going to bring some heavy shit at some point so having our default reprieve be and rlexey great awesome perfect i really hope nothing happens i'd be devastated but daniel caught the bouquet at the wedding which transitions right into her scene if you've been keeping up with all the news which they've been blasting in the city updates since Summer House started trying to set this show up.

The Owen stuff, E-O-I-N-E-O-N, has been on the forefront for a while. Allegedly this guy is still married. They've been together, Danielle and him for six months. They're talking babies. They've been living together for one month. They're playing footseason the confessional. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know because I don't have enough information. I'm assuming what's going to come out is that he was separated. This is not actually a big deal. But it is very interesting. It's a very precarious spot that we are thrust into, if you will. I have severe disdain for Danielle. I am so upset that she's back on a show. I really wanted to just live my life without seeing her again.

Why she's on this show is I don't fucking understand. Like Lindsay has final say. So I guess she probably flopped her in there just because I think it's because of their... Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's a built-in conflict. So, like, if shit hits the fan or things are boring, let's just check in with Lindsay and Danielle.

I wish that she hadn't done that. Like, I really do. Like, there's no reason to bring Danielle back. She sucked on Summerhouse. She sucked on Winterhouse. She sucked when she was with Joe Bradley. She sucks now. Like, that's all she does.

She just sucks the life out of the room. And she's so goddamn boring. And then she tries to insert herself in different situations. And she's going to do it all year. And it's going to piss me off. I'm just getting ahead of this. So everybody watching understands where I come from with Danielle. So when we get to a Danielle scene and I roll my eyes or I just go in on her when she seemingly did nothing,

it's just because I hate her on reality TV. I think she's awful. I'm curious. I'm genuinely curious because obviously the elephant in the room is that her and Lindsay just like don't communicate anymore. We saw that scene in Summer House at soft bar where she arrived and like, you know, they didn't talk and she wanted to talk, but Lindsay didn't want to talk. And now we're going to have that kind of forced on us. But again, if Lindsay did have final cut, which I don't know if she did to that extent,

like she probably had a lot of influence on the cast. That's why Carl's not on it, which justice for Carl, I'm going to say that every single episode of this. Yeah, he better be on season two. He better have cameos in this season. He better be out of season two. Like there's no reason to exclude Carl. It makes no sense from a structural standpoint,

why he's not on this show. As far as Lindsay and Danielle go, I don't know. Is that going to feel at some point, like you said, it's built-in conflict? Is it going to feel that way where you're like, all right, like, don't force feed us this built-in conflict, like let things happen organically? Maybe it's going to make you feel or it's going to make some people feel nostalgic for those seasons of summer house.

But, I mean, the best way to describe Danielle is that she's just a less interesting Sheena. She makes everything about herself. She wants to be inserted into everything, which she's. She doesn't done anything. You haven't done the work to get the respect or garter any sort of support to get to the role that you're in. And yet you think that you deserve that role.

Like you think that you're the, like I would be pressed to think that she doesn't believe she's a centerpiece on this show. And she shouldn't be. And she's not. Her thing going on with Owen right now is only interesting because there's rumors about him being married. Once that gets quelled, we should move on. Like, we really should.

You should just be a background character that just does what you always do. Like that's kind of what Danielle's going to do. And that's what she's done the whole time. And when we go back and we go to Lindsay, when we're talking about all the issues with Danielle, when we get to all of that, you kind of just get reminded like, yeah,

she did this, she did that, she did this. She doesn't have like an iconic moment on Summerhouse. Her iconic moment on Summerhouse is actually due to page saying CEO and founder of what? Because that's who she is. She just inserts herself into situations

and then dubs herself a CEO and founder of some weird app where you can pair things together in your closet. It's called having eyes. That's not an app. You're idiot. But anyway, I just, I can't with Danielle. So I do hope that she has that like, let's give her like a third tier role on this show. I'm just curious about the oh and shit.

Like I said, if I had to guess, it's probably not as scandalous as it sounds. I would agree. He's like on screen and a confessional talking about his relationship with Danielle. So to me, that doesn't scream that I'm doing shady shit. But I don't know. I mean, time will tell. I personally think it's just there's a crossover with him not being fully divorced, but he's been separated for two years.

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The best worst, available wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, there's no reason to do it. Well, moving right along, we get to Kyle, and this is the picture that we all saw circulating the internet. Kyle and Kenny, now they met through mutual friends in New York. It's a very, like, standard New York City story of how you met your friends. And look, they're both two businessmen, just two quote-unquote young. businessmen, work hard, play hard, build businesses, drink, and enjoy the city. Kenny does acknowledge, you know, Kyle's a bit of a lush, but I do think that that's an

interesting point because we're going to see something in this show that we haven't seen on Summer House, because on Summer House, it's been very consistent that Kyle's the villain in his marriage, right? We haven't seen the other side of things until really this season. You saw Jesse kind of speaking on his behalf, Lindsay stepped up a couple of times to give a different perspective. And we all have a different perspective now, given what's currently going on. I'm very curious to see this perspective of a guy like Kenny, who's known Kyle off the show for 13 years or whatever, who really knows this guy and has seen this relationship with Amanda from a

different lens of she's never really matched your energy, dude. Like, she doesn't show up the things. Like, you always arrived solo. And like, she just really was never meeting you halfway. We have never once heard that on Summerhouse. We've heard Kyle's a fucking animal, settled down, stop drinking, stop partying. In this aspect, you're hearing, she never really supported you. Like, it was always you bending the knee to her. It's just an interesting perspective shift. I am so incredibly excited for single Kyle in the city. I think it's going to be one of my favorite things on reality TV. I really want to watch how he conducts himself, because he is a party animal and he is an absolute lush, but he is so goddamn funny when

how drunk he gets. And if he has no wife, that's going to be incredible television. When he was all watched what happens live, like after the reunion, after the, the, uh, the premiere of in the city, he was there with Lindsay. He starts talking about it. And he's like, yeah, I mean, I actually started Prozac because I've got like pretty bad anxiety and I was going through a lot of things. So that actually just accelerated the, uh, the blackouts that I was having when I was

drinking. So, uh, yeah, I really expected him that, that sentence wasn't going to end and he was going to say, I've gotten some of my. drinking under control while I'm on pro's accident. I'm not doing all these things, but he's just like, so, uh, yeah, blackouts happen a lot faster. There should be a secondary sentence there saying that you figured some things out, not blackouts happened faster, period.

Just acknowledging that I blackout now. Like, oh, okay. That's all he did. So they actually, weirdly, in a very strange, I don't know, in a very weird way that makes me feel kind of weird. I'm excited to watch that. I'm excited to watch him in the city because of all the Amanda stuff going on and because he's got his friends. And again, this

excites both of us, whenever we see something like this for a new show, whether it's housewives, whether it's one of these like ensemble casts, when you tell me that there's a friend on the show that has known you and I've known you for 10 years, he's known you for 13 years. That excites me because there's real friendship there. And Lindsay

and Kyle have been friends on that show for a long time. They were friends before it. There's a lot here. If you're building a cast like that, that tells me it's going to be good TV. It's going to be actual shit. It's not just orchestrated, manufactured drama just to show the camera something, it's going to be real things that get brought up and we're going to have the backstory and people are going to go to their

confessionals and talk about seven years ago at a wedding. This person was blackout and I had to punch him in the face. That's the type of shit that we're going to get and I'm really excited for that. But I also get really good vibes from Kenny. And when Kenny's talking about what's going on, he seems kind of similar to Kyle and he seems like the kind of guy that's like, yeah, you know, Kyle's a bit of a lush. I'm not that bad. And he probably is that bad. He just uses Kyle's you know, outbursts and the fact that he's been on reality TV forever as a way to excuse his own behavior. But talking about his girlfriend was very funny.

I mean, this whole situation is, I don't think it's nearly as bad as people are like, I don't know. I got bad fucking vibes. I have bad vibes. Like, I guarantee you they're going to break up.

Like, that's absolutely going to happen. But to hone in on the facts, like, I'm really excited, you know, we've been doing the long distance thing for a while. We've been dating a little on and off for like a year,

but we really kind of hammered at home recently. she's going to move from L.A. over to New York, and I think that's a big thing, and it's going to be great for our relationship. I'm like, yeah, that kind of makes sense, I guess, if you guys have been doing the long distance thing, it's New York and L.A., so obviously you go to New York because L.A. sucks.

So come on over to New York, get on the East Coast. That makes total sense to me. But I love that we're going to have to start questioning, like, oh, wow, she moved across the country and he didn't get her a ring. They were long distance dating for like a year. Why don't we calm down a little bit? That's not my hang up.

My hang up is him saying things like, you know, you feel the spark and the fire. or like, it's my person. Like, hard to know if I feel that with her. For me, asking somebody to uproot their life and move 3,000 miles away when you're not sure if they're your person, that to me is a red flag. I'm not talking about the engagement factor. Totally fine with me.

I don't, not me. I think that that's a glaring flag. I'm already in the head space. This is show centric. And this is hilarious. That's going to end. And I want to watch it happen. Oh, it's going to be bad.

It's going to be ugly. Yeah. I guarantee that. But I love that we go to a fucking speak easy. And they act like, oh, like the fucking Garrett, man. You got to go through a burger joint. It's so fucking cool and edgy. And guess what?

I know the owner. Fuck yeah, dude. Hell yeah, brother. I used to have access to the cameras. That's fucking weird. I agree with you. Yeah. That's fucking creepy.

Because it's exactly what she says. Like, you see hot girls on there and you go to the bar. That's exactly what it is. And it's so funny. It's like, yeah. I mean, I had access to the. the cameras about 10 years ago and it was great. I would just check my phone and take a look at everything just to catch the vibe and figure out what's going on. It's like, no, I don't think you

should say that. That seems kind of illegal and not great. Yeah, Gavin gave me access. I totally fine. There's no issue here. Yeah, but you were probably trying to see if there was hot chicks there. Yeah, you know what? I didn't have access to the cameras. You're right. None of that actually happened. I made the whole thing up. That's funny to me. The backtracking is very fun to me to watch that in real time. But I mean, it looks like a cool place. And this is what we were talking about within the city. Like go to the cool speakeasy. Go to the places that you guys actually go to and allow them to film. Don't go to like the weird pop up places that you can just get cameras in there just to see what's going on. I want to see more. Correct. And we see Andrea Lexi and Nick and Yvonne. That's Nick

and Yvonne. They're a duo. I'll get to Kenny's girlfriend's name at some point. I wrote it down somewhere. Kenny is Whitney. Whitney. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. But Katie, by the way, Katie's husband is Matt, but he's not actually listed as a cast member, I don't think. I think that's why I was confused. Got it. All right. Well, they ask where Kyle is and we cut to Kyle and Amanda exiting the subway. Awkward as shit. Like, it's very uncomfortable. You know, they're like, let's meet tomorrow with the therapist, but I feel like we're moving backwards and Kyle's just more confused and she's more confused and she's like, well, you're just negative the whole time. You're like, but this, but that. It just again, dude like I go back to the lunch with Sierra where she's more or less saying like yeah the therapist backed me up on everything like he's a fucking

monster he's a piece of shit and like I do want to get separated but Kyle will never go for it now we watch this angle of it and she's saying that he's the problem in therapy that he's only negative you had a DJ event last night which I this one I agree with she's like you had a DJ event and you go out afterwards came out 4 a.m. then we're going to go to therapy in the morning

like yeah that that's bad I agree with you and that's still showing like this is not one side just because Amanda turned out to be a monster. Like Kyle was still not a great husband highlighting that once again. But I don't believe her when she's like, I don't want to call it quits, but you don't give me any hope. And why are you wearing a raincoat?

I'm sweating. Yeah, you're wearing West's raincoat. It's weird. Well, are you wearing a raincoat in September? It doesn't make any sense. It's too hot out for a rain.

It's not a fucking raincoat, Kyle. Like that made me laugh. It's funny. I don't know what it is. Like we all know, all of us who have watched Summerhouse for years, we all know that you guys shouldn't be married. Somehow watching you guys struggle through this,

knowing that you're never going to get back together, is very entertaining. It just is. Like, this is what we thought we were going to get from in the city, especially after you guys release all the information about your separation. But yeah, you guys shouldn't be together.

If you're going to the therapist and the therapist and say, you guys hate each other, then yeah, you should have done this years ago and just not gotten married, but whatever, you are where you are now. Just move on. I don't want this to be like a whole thing.

And of course, Amanda's like, this is a filming thing. And this is what really kind of bothers me. I understand that you and Kyle are going through it. And I understand that probably most of these people are Kyle's friends and not necessarily yours. But I do kind of blame you for being married to Kyle for four years, being with him for 10,

and not having any sort of like friendship with a lot of the people that we're about to see at Garrett's. Like that's kind of weird to me. And also go fucking film. This is your job. It's your job times two now. We're back in the city. you don't have the excuse of like oh yeah the travel up to the hamptons i'm not feeling great

page is staying home i'm just going to lay in bed with her you're back at you're at home like go hang out with these people and i know you have girls night in a little bit that we'll talk about but you should still be going to hang out with them i agree that that was like the first thing i noticed is like all right episode of one and you're already tapping out of a scene like that's yeah that's a tough look i i all the other stuff aside like you should be involved with the cast so we can get a feel for what the season is going to be like but we go up back to the Garrett and we get Kenny and his girl Whitney. Yep.

Whitney. And they're talking about their background. Their first date was a year ago. And that's, are they been dating? And this is another red flag for me when he's talking about their relationship. Because he's like, all this tells me when he says,

we've been dating for six months, unofficially a year. I'm like, okay, so you fucked somebody else in the first six months is exactly what happened. And now you're asking her to move across the country after dating for six months, his excuse, and I'm so, so happy that both dudes called him out.

Ryan, who we meet in this scene, and what was the other dude's name? I don't know. They're Nick? That's the guy that owns the bar. No, Gavin. Gavin, thank you. They're like, oh, what stage of grief is being a fuck boy?

It's like, oh, I just lost my mom. So, like, you know, I was going through some shit, which I'm not taking away from. But as they say, like, at which point, like, what stage grief is being a fuck boy? Because what? somewhere between the second and third, I would imagine. Yeah.

What is it? Anger, acceptance. Fuck boy. Yeah, that makes sense. But again, like the way he's talking about this whole situation, we're seeing where it goes. She's moving across the country, bro. Like, what do you mean?

You're seeing where it goes. And like Lindsay, I thought Lindsay handled herself very well in this. And like, yes, a panel arrives to question this guy. But Lindsay's asking. fairly generic questions. Like, it's not like the third degree. It's just like, you know, have you thought about this? Do you realize that like no ring?

It's kind of a big thing for her. It's a lot of faith in her. And he's like, you don't have to be engaged to move in together. It's like, that's not what they're saying. Nobody's saying that at all. It's uprooting your life to move across the country. Yeah, that's the big holdup. And where my issue is, is there doesn't have to be a ring involved,

but the way he's talking about it does open him up to a different line of questioning. Correct. If you were just exuding excitement for her moving over, and you're like, look, the long distance thing is done. She's moving in with me. This is going to be so much fun. Like we're both really excited to start this next chapter together.

Those are the things that you should be saying. Not, yeah, we're going to see how it works out, like being around each other all the time. Like, we're not really sure. Maybe not. Maybe it does. I don't really know. But it's not the end of the world. If we end up, it's like, dude, what?

You should be excited. If somebody's moving across the country and I get, there is that part of it that she's going to join the show. She's going to be in New York, fine, whatever. But just from the relationship standpoint, you should only be saying exciting things. Not, well, you know, there's a gray area in there. And that's if we break up, we break up. And, you know, what she does after that is on her.

If she wants to go back to L.A., she can. But she can also just stay in New York. There's enough people here. Yeah. And it's always dudes like Kenny that are like, it's giving, I hate men vibes. No, it's giving. You're a fuck boy and you don't like being called out.

That's what it's giving. And like Lindsay has every right to question this stuff. Yeah. Kenny, I think he's going to be great for TV. He's going to be awesome. As far as a partner goes, a little concerned for Whitney. But she even squashes it. She's like, look, like, we're figuring it out.

You know, we're going to figure it out together. It's like, okay, you guys do you. At the end of the day, you're on the same page. Right. At least on camera, you're on the same page. We'll see. Or now. Kyle arrives and Lindsay pulls him for a little chit-chat.

And, you know, obviously heard that Amanda State Hotel for a couple of days. And his big hang up is despite our. ups and downs and we never left the Hamptons not together. It's like, well, things are clearly different now. And he's getting more confused after therapy. She's like, yeah, well, that makes sense. You're unpacking years and years of not addressing things. And now she's able to express herself, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure we're going to talk more about their therapy together. Hopefully it starts, it's confusing for us, too, because we're hearing different things from Amanda. Kyle doesn't really dive into like the context of what's going on in therapy. And that's

their prerogative. Obviously, don't have to share what you're talking about behind closed doors the therapist. I appreciate that we're not in the room with another problem. Yeah, at least that's yeah, that's always a good sign. I mean, it tells you everything you need to know when somebody asks if Amanda's coming and he's like, no, no, no. She's, she's got, she's not feeling great. She's, she's going to sit this one out. It's like, okay. Yeah, you guys just came from therapy. Things didn't go well, but you're still here, so that's good. And I like Lindsay, Lindsay and Kyle's friendship always cracks me up, but it always, it gives you a different insight into things. Like when Kyle and Carl talk, like you could actually tell what's going on and figure out

what they're thinking, what their emotions are. So him talking to Lindsay about this, it's more of the same. It's more of an update like, hey, yeah, we haven't seen each other in a couple of weeks because we left the summer house together, but she stayed in a hotel room for a couple of days. Oh, God, that's crazy. I already know that because I was just with Amanda. Oh, wow, that's great. Yeah, and therapy's not going super well, but, you know, we're, we're going the breakthrough and it's just you know i don't really want to talk about it right now well i think you're going to have to talk about it at some point because when you have issues with somebody you're going to have to talk about it cue daniel walking into the scene because lindsay and daniel it's a great

set up it was an absolutely perfect setup it was we're going to wait for kyle to get there daniel you stay right here in the car we'll send you in at the right time go time cool go go go go go run run run get to the border joint that's all i was thinking of i'm like yeah that timing it's definitely set up but that's still very fun because Lindsay does not want to talk to Danielle about their problems now or seemingly ever. Yeah, and we get the rundown of why. You know, she's like, I don't want to have negative energy in my life. I want this competitive energy in my life.

And my only issue, not issue, but cause for pause, if you will, is everybody on this show that is around Lindsay is very, very agreeable with every. thing she says. And what I, I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm not saying that they didn't have every right to agree with her in this instance. It's not like a, why are you taking her side thing? What I'm worried about is because she helped put this show together, I don't want everybody to just bend the need of Lindsay. Like that's, uh, that's something that I am keeping an eye on. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think that is, that's something that I was like, ooh, are we just going to agree with Lindsay all the time because she got you on the show? I don't know. But her pulling up the list of Danielle was very funny where she's like,

all right, let's talk about season four. Carl and I tried a date. We broke up. One week later, she's jerking him off in an Uber. And let's talk about the engagement. You know what? Fuck that. Flashback. And we flashback and watch that whole disaster that we saw. And then when I was pregnant. And like, you really get a sense of like, yeah, for someone that claims to be a BFF, not a lot of support, a lot of question. A lot of, are you doing the right thing instead of just like, hey, by the way, when she's pregnant, the baby's coming. So for you to say, like, you're doing this alone? Like, why are you scaring her mid-pregnancy?

That's not good. Yeah, no, all of the things that pop up that you kind of forget about or at least I personally block out of my mind because I don't want to think about Danielle. They all come back up. You're like, yeah, no, I totally get it from Lindsay standpoint. Like she eventually drew a line of the sand that said, don't cross this. And Daniel continued to cross it. So that's why she's on the outs.

But Kyle's sitting there like, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't fucking get it. I'm not going to level with you right now. I do not get it. There's a lot of things that Danielle has done, but you bringing all of this back up. And I love the people online that very clearly just got into summer house. They're excited to watch it in the city.

They're like, whoa, wait, Danielle gave Carl a hand job after they broke off their engagement. I'm like, where are you? Casual. You get out of here. No room for you here. But yeah, Kyle not getting it is very funny. And then also like, of course, this is how it's going to go. I mean, Danielle, again, this is what's going to happen.

happen on a show like this. She goes over and she's like, yeah, are you free to get a little coffee, maybe sit down and have some lunch and we can kind of talk through things? I'm very busy. I am very, very busy. It's like that is such a funny thing to say on a reality TV show

in which you're going to have to talk to the other person. I'm going to stave off and just, I got a lot of, well, yeah, you've got a newborn right now, so that makes sense. Right? How is, what's your name? I don't know where to, line, line. Jimmy?

Jimmy? Yeah, Jimmy. Oh, Gemma. Gemma. Yeah, I knew that. I totally knew that. I've been in touch with you and I know what's going on in your life. That was very funny to me.

But again, like they're going to have that sit down. They're going to talk it through. That's how these shows work. So just wait for that. It probably won't come for a while. But I'm going to get personally annoyed if Lindsay just does not bend. If Lindsay doesn't get to the point and we just have Danielle walking in saying, hey, do you want to get together?

And she says no for like four straight episodes. We need to squash it. Yep. Agreed. Like we need to squash it. In my mind, like Daniel's part of the show, better or indifferent. Like, she's on the show.

And what I don't want is to have this be just a constant hang up of like, nope, don't have time. Nope, don't have time. Like just go talk, figure it out, whether it's good, bad or other, like, get to a place where we can film and this not be a, we don't need the Danielle Lindsay thing to be a focal point. We had that on Summer House for a long time. It wore out.

We don't need it on this. show we want new we want new drama new conflict with new people we don't need this to resurface so let's have this lunch clear the air however it goes and let's move on from it yep but we get to lindsay georgina and yvonne at uh georgina's dermatology what do you call office dermatology practice practice thank you and i again i think i've got to love georgina because we're like hey we're going out like do you need to change she's like don't worry i got my covered and she opens up the habit and she has all sorts of shit just to go out because clearly she spends a lot of time at the office and saying things like, you know, some days I feel cool. Like, ooh, I got this cool spot and Tribeca.

And like, oh, I'm like cool and edgy. And then other days, my daughter looks at me and she's eating dog food. But looked up the nutritional facts, tons of protein. Here's a funny thing. Bodybuilders, I know bodybuilders that eat dog food. No shit. That's bizarre. Yeah, it's gross.

But they are just like protein-centric. So I've seen them eat dog food. Guess it makes sense. It's gross, but yeah. But we go out, a little night out, and Amanda shows up, but not before they talk about the rent thing. This is where it came up that Kyle had a whole spreadsheet, which is not surprising, and tallied up every penny that she owed him. It was $117,000. And on that note, Amanda arrives.

Now, Nick and Yvonne come up. This is bizarre. So Yvonne's talking about Nick. and she wants to start a family and he keeps pushing off the conversation. So she had a moment. She was like fed up. She's like, fuck that.

I'm going to San Diego and I'm not going to tell him. This dude didn't know she was gone for two days. And we get like a clip of him at home with the dog going. I love that. Where's your mom? Where's your mom at? Nope, not here.

No, no, I better call her and see what's going on. Maybe figure out where the hell she is. She's across the country. What do you mean? still nothing. So I tell him about like true crime podcast and talk about how I could go missing and

you're going to be the first suspect that they come to it. If you don't know where I am, that's going to look really bad for you. So hopefully he just kind of figures it out. Because of the threat of being accused of murder, he's going to keep tabs on you finally. Like that's crazy work. I think we're getting the stage set for a lot of dysfunctional relationships once again, which is kind of the staple in these these shows with the 40 plus crew of like, them adulting quote unquote but not knowing how the fuck to do it and they're really

saying that whole thing up but Amanda or I already said Amanda arrived and they're talking about everything and Danielle comes up and this is where we get the first mention of Owen in that whole situation apparently she's moving in with a man who's still married and it references a do more blind item that alluded to this whole thing and she was talking about having kids with them in the fall, which again, if nothing else, like we don't know the situation. I'm fully expecting it to be like you said, they've been separated for like two years, just haven't gone through with the actual divorce yet. But it is hypocritical.

Danielle holds other people to a very high standard. And when they don't do those things, she's the first one to go to confession and call it out. She's the first one to cause a problem in the moment. So for her to do this with no explanation is hypocrisy at its highest order. Yeah, it absolutely is. And again, that's what you're going to expect with somebody like Danielle. I think we're going to dig pretty deep into this one. I think it's probably going to outlive its usefulness for sure just because of who Danielle is.

Just because I know she's going to be in on another shit soon. I agree. I fully agree because it is most likely what I already said it's going to be. It's most likely what everybody's thinking the same thing. We've already been talking about this for so long. As soon as she was announced to be on the show, we started talking about this because people started pulling up the blind items,

pulling up all the Instagram things. It would be kind of fun. I'm not going to lie if she was a mistress, and that turned into a full-blown relationship. And then we flashed forward, and she's playing tennis with them, talking about having babies. That would be a very interesting and funny storyline for me.

But it's not going to be that. It just isn't. So don't get your hopes up. No, I don't think so either. But we get to Kyle and Amanda's four-year anniversary, which was a very depressing scene. And, you know, they want to move. Again, if I'm looking at this in a vacuum without everything else going on, it does make a ton of sense.

Even if you are actually trying to move forward, it's like, hey, I don't want to live with you because I want to have these moments with you again. I want to date. I want to get that spark back. All of that makes sense in real life without all this bullshit. But all I'm hearing is I want separation from you so I can go live my life with West. I can go explore that because I'm having fun with West going out in fucking Brooklyn to some dive bar that nobody notices us at. Yep. And living that kind of life.

So it's hard to look at it from an actual Kyle Amanda standpoint of she's trying to fix their marriage, which I do believe for all of his shortcomings. I do think Kyle wants it to work out. Why you could question his motives, like maybe just doesn't want to fail at something. Maybe it's just another thing. Like lover boys going down the tubes of my marriage. Like it's all just chalking up to failure, failure, failure. I don't know.

But I don't think, and I think it's a microcosm of what we can expect from this whole season. It's just more PR. It's her trying to look better on camera, knowing that behind the scenes, she's doing awful, awful things to people she's very close with. i.e. Sierra. So that I just everything that I see with her in, I'm like you're trying to do damage control. This is all just damage control. She is. Yeah. While she's incredibly PR loaded,

Kyle's doing the same shit. I mean, he's not he's definitely, he's a PR person's worst nightmare. But he's still doing the same thing that he always does where he's acting like things are okay. They're going to get through it. It's not the end of the world. He's viewing it like glass half full. we're going to therapy we're getting all this stuff off our chest it feels good yeah it feels like shit in the moment but i think we're working through it like that's kind of where he is and it's very interesting to watch too because we know timeline wise this is september they didn't talk about or release the joint separation statement until january yeah so there's four months of this like four months of you guys kind of going back and forth i don't know where we're going to land i i again

you know i'm still thinking that they were separated at some point it was probably informal but They were separated at some point during the summer. It might be. I mean, I'm still a pessimist. I'm still Tin Hat thinking that it probably happened before the summer. Like before they even went out to the Hansons, they're like, all right, we got to figure something out. But like the way you're doing things, the way you're traveling and doing all the DJ stuff,

I'm unhappy at home. Like, I do think we should probably be separate for a lot of this. And they probably agreed to that and, you know, the hopes that they would work on it. The couples therapy came into play sometime in August. Now we're sitting here talking about like, the physical embodiment of separating, of getting a new place, of moving on with our lives,

and just fully being separated and trying to quote, unquote, work on each other and get through all of this. And it's September. It's like, I don't think it took you guys four months to get there.

You probably separate at some point while we're filming and then you release your statement, which again, I mean, you're a reality TV star, so I guess you have to update people and you want to kind of control the narrative. But in the real world, you're not putting out a statement saying,

I just separated from my wife. So I don't really give a shit about that timeline. It's just very interesting to watch because Kyle is still, no matter what, until the last second. And maybe if it wasn't for the Weston Amanda thing, it would probably be until they actually get divorced. He's going to be hopeful. So it does make things sad.

But Kyle is still doing the same shit that Kyle always does. So it's not really that sad. It's just kind of funny to see how disjointed they are and how weirdly Amanda's approach is to all of this, the way she talks about it. She's clearly very sad and doesn't know what to do when we watch that first scene in April, but that's because of the circumstances. in this moment, you're very clearly moving on,

but you're harboring a ton of resentment towards Kyle because he's pushing you to move on. Like, I'm very confused as to where you land on all of this. And it's just honestly, to me, it's dark, but it's a very funny scene to be celebrating your fourth wedding anniversary while sitting at the bar and talking to a guy next to you who's like, oh, well, you guys celebrate an anniversary. That's pretty cool.

You got some mozzarella sticks with caviar on it. That's pretty cool. What are you guys really happy about it? Yeah, you know, just day by day. We're just living our lives. Living the dream, dude. You're both in denial just in very different ways. That's a good way to put it.

They're trying to navigate this in their own ways, which are not vibing at all. Yeah. Like they're so disjointed, like you said. I mean, West and Sierra and all that shit aside, like we've said it for years. You guys at home have said it for years.

They just, they didn't belong together. And that's what we're seeing the culmination of that in these scenes of like, Yeah, you guys just, this was never going to work. But the only part that raises questions for me is him again, that one line just, it's stuck in my head. Somebody gets the version of you that I fell in love with. And you add that to the fact that she was going out and partying in January.

She was hanging out with West and all the boys and doing all that, drinking pictures of beer at noon. That's where I question everything. I'm like, well, if that was in there, is that who you were? Why did that stop? Is this just you acting out because you want to make a statement? Like you're confused about who you are as an identity crisis. Like that's the,

that's the root, I think is in there somewhere to give us more clarification on everything going on. Is that part? I'm stuck on it. Yeah, no, I'm stuck on that as well. But let's get to some preiguntas.

Uh, from Y, Y, uh, from Y, Y, C underc cause of exhaustion, do you think she met up with West?

Yeah. Honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if she just, left that little subway, walked right over, hung out with West, had a couple of drinks, and then bullying.

Gave him back his jacket. Yep. From Valéhandra Deeks. Bravo women, no sympathy. These men told you who they were, and you still married them. That is always an interesting stance,

dude. It's an interesting stance. We see it all the time. I'm never, I am never going to say that, but yeah, if you want to say that, like,

we've gone as far to reference, like, you know, it's hard to give you sympathy when you've been saying the same shit for four years and you don't do anything to actively change it. But I will never say, I'll never blame the woman for sticking around and fuck that relationship. No, no, no. Hell God.

Oh, go ahead. Health God, or is it a raincoat? It looks like a raincoat to me. It seems like a raincoat. Raincoat Jason. Yeah. from our Mab 124, what did we do to deserve more Danielle? Just me or was she left out of the promos?

She was in the promos. She was in the promos. Definitely saw that. What did we do to deserve more Danielle? Apparently a lot of evil. We've all been doing a ton of evil things and this is our retribution. See, this is interesting. Jennifer Yuma, this is the realist I've seen Amanda B.

Like, is this who she actually is outside of Summerhouse? I don't think this is really her. I think this is the, product of what's going on. That's where we talk about all the time. Like, who is Amanda? We all don't know anymore. We thought we did.

We have no idea. Yeah. Right? So I don't know if this is really her. I don't know if she knows if this is really her. I think she's trying on different, different fits and seeing what feels good and doesn't know what the fuck to do. Yeah, probably.

From Megano, Megano, anyone else gets serious red flags with Kenny repeatedly saying his girlfriend is, quote, unquote, a doll and quote unquote, always happy. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's going to be the first. Domino to fall for sure. I think it's going to be funny personally.

Unsweet Caroline says, did anyone else think it was weird? They introduced Andre and his wife by showing clips of him and page. No, because even when that was going on, we had a very brief moment of this guy is a player and a fuck boy. That relationship shifted into him

just being a nice dude. Like he never made any weird advances. He never did anything creepy. It was just him bringing the ladies coffee in the morning. So no, I think that's more indicative of who that he's just a very, he's a lover like he likes to take care of the people around him i've never after the first two episodes of him in summer house i never questioned his intentions and that's very rare on reality

tv yeah uh from pd congo is it annoying that lindsay judge is dating fest she had a baby after five seconds yes i i call that all the time like in summer house you wanted to be the the advocate for what partnership should look like It's like, all right, dude, like, we love you very much and you're great for TV. And we love that you are in your element with Gemma. You seem like a phenomenal mom. It's all kind of worked out in a weird way for you. But let's not act like you are the spokesperson of happy relationships.

Yeah. We've got an interesting standpoint here. I don't think that the question is going to work, though, because there's three of them. So I'll do my best from Jennifer Yuma. This is the realist I've seen Amanda B. I said this one. who she actually oh you did that the whole thing there's like four other questions i didn't know there's other ones you can throw the other ones in there go ahead the other ones um uh this is who she actually

is outside of summer house people keep alluding to amanda's mental health skinny i e lindsay i'm watch what happens live the bj story is wild but daniel was with carl first maybe that's why this was and then that's kind of where it cuts off so i don't know where the rest of your comment is maybe you're still typing it but maybe that's why she's this way ah okay yeah i i i I don't know. I mean, the Amanda thing is interesting in its own right. But, uh, but yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't even know how to answer who Amanda is anymore. She doesn't know. Oh, this is an interesting. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, uh, Dilla de Janira. It's hard to care for the newbies. Carl is missed and why is Danielle question? Why is Daniel? That's, that's the big question. Why is Danielle here? Um, uh, it's hard to care. care for the newbies. This is a new show. That's how it occurs. We will care about them. We will care about the newbies at some point. Take Steele's advice. I think you're stuck on West and Amanda. Yeah, you're stuck on West and Amanda for sure. And maybe you're like me and the why is

Danielle tells me that you are. Overlook Danielle unless she forces you to look at her. And then, focus on the newbies. Find a newbie that you love. Steel already has with Georgina. Yeah, Georgina seems like a rock star. That's all you just got to pick somebody and root for them until they give you reason to not and then shift. That's kind of how I watch these shows. Yep. Lauren N says Amanda with bangs is a sign. If a woman changes her hair, she's changing her life.

Yeah. She changed her hair in like two weeks. That was something I forgot to mention earlier. Yep. From Ella Leha, why does Amanda get to stay on shows when she opts out of so many events to lay in bed? Agreed. She came on this show because Kyle came on the show.

Yep. Yeah, see, this is what's funny to me. Bonnie Rachel. insane move to not pay rent for three years or the most insane move ever but just to say that's redundant but yeah i hear you i again i both shooter and i have a weird time with this one i don't know what the right answer is so we're just going to default to where's that money for carl why did you not invest in so far yeah uh let's see if there's one or two good ones in here i got one then you can finish this off from saman james did you all feel like kyle and amman

were badly acting during their scenes together. I think that's just how they interact with each other now because it's so fucking uncomfortable. Yeah. From Stacey Mo Seals. Thoughts on Lindsay showing her baby. Total support of her, by the way, just knew that it was a fight.

Yeah, that's what we were hearing was that I was for getting it. Turner, thank you for saying his name. I was forget his name. Super rich. Turner didn't want it. But I guess,

I don't know why I always have a problem with it. But yeah, I guess that was. probably a fight. And episode one, she put it out there. So good for her. I think for better or worse, why she's been so successful is she will give you her life. She's going to show you what's going on. And Gemma is her life now. So I think that for her to be her most authentic self, she had to win that battle. And she did. So I appreciate that she's putting her on camera. Like again, when it comes to kids, we are always hesitant with that stuff. But it being Lindsay, she's going to do

right by her daughter. She's not going to put her in any precarious spots. She's not going to use her for her benefit. She just wants to share her life and this show is about her. So I think that's why we get Gemma. I loved. I thought it was so cute when Liz, the nanny shows up and you see Gemma like,

who they get so stoked. Their little life is, it's fun. Like I like to see this side of Lynn. We don't get this that much. This is kind of what we've been missing from her in Summerhouse. So I'm actually really excited to be able to dive into all that stuff. So I'm glad that she's able to get

gem on screen. Yeah. And we'll end on this one from Lana Scalana. In your view, is there a single healthy relationship dynamic on this show? No. No, it really is. Probably Katie and Matt and Matt's not even really on the show. That's pretty much it. That's probably wild. But yeah, Katie's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, what's he's not? I didn't even know his wife was gone. So yeah, that's bad. Yep. That's it. So no. Lindsay and Kyle's friendship. But that's what we've come to expect from over 40 shows on Bravo. Yep.

Look at Rhode Island. For God's sakes. Good point. Fucking train wrecks of relationships. But anyway, I'm excited. I think we got a good one here. I think that, you know, for reference one of those questions, I think you're going to have to do your best to separate the Amanda West, Kyle Sierra stuff as we're watching this.

Obviously, it's going to have its time in place. but you're going to take away from the show that you're watching if you're always focused on that stuff. I know it's hard. Do your best. But yeah, I'm excited to see where this one goes. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.

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