Bros & Shows - Devin Loves Jenn, Jenn Loves Marcus. (Bachelorette Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

What's up Brose? We are getting to the end of The Bachelorette and things are heating up. Literally. Because its Conjugal Vis... Fantasy Suite week! Devin has dropped the L word but Jenn has yet to say it back. While Devin has been open about his feelings for awhile now, the lack of reciprocation from Jenn is starting to wear him down. After their night together things seem even more uncertain for their future. Johnathon and Jenn seem like they are on the same page. While theyre not yet in love, they both can see a future. Marcus however... Jenn is in love with Marcus, but Marcus is still unable to say love, or even to see if they do have a future together. We have multiple dynamics at play here which is interesting as the show comes to an end. Will it be the lovesick Devin? Play it cool Johnathon? Or uncertain Marcus? Only time will tell... but Bros, will you accept this Rose? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.

B-R-O-S-E. We are back with The Bachelorette. I am your co-host. Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only waterfall McGall. There's nothing better than watching your face trying to figure what out, too. Just like the dumbest look on your face. Just look it up. I'm trying to find it.

I'm looking around the room trying to find it. Sometimes I get inspiration from things in the room. Other times I flounder that time, I don't know. There was a lot of waterfalls in this. You look like a person in the crowd at, uh, I forget what Stephen U.N.'s character's name was, and nope. But when the alien ships coming down, they're all looking up like this. That was you.

Okay, I'll take that. That's fine with me. I, look, new dream job alert. What's that? Jesse Palmer. Jesse Palmer. He gets to go to fucking Hawaii and just golf the whole time. He's hitting balls off the range.

He's golfing with Devin, who, by the way, horrible swing. Yeah, I wasn't surprised by that. Mark has looked pretty good. Jonathan did not get to play. Didn't see Jonathan, but there. He definitely played. Or maybe he doesn't play. Maybe he doesn't play.

Which, what do you do? Evan cleared he doesn't play either, though, after that swing. He sliced the shit out of that. And he made a comment. He goes, a good one on the first one. Jesse's like, yeah, double ricochet off the rocks. I was like, oh, I did have to fucking out him like that. It looked like a slice, but he just buried it.

Jesse's just out there. We saw him in two different outfits, so that means he's probably just spending the entire weekend golfing. They probably had to, like, page him. He's probably on, like, the 16th hole. Like, hey, Devin's having a meltdown. Yeah, we need you to come to the bar. Fuck. All right.

There's nobody else on the course right now. We've got this whole thing locked down. Thanks, ABC. All right, Devon, you're going to be all right. Now watch this drive. Yeah. Nice. But all in all, I'm still thoroughly enjoying our time with The Bachelorette and Bachelor Nation.

I am getting much more excited for the upcoming season of The Bachelor and then the next season of the Bachelorette. Because, again, from what I've been hearing on socials and in general, this is a lot of, is not this season. People are not loving this season. They're not tuning in as much as they normally do. I could see that now. I can too. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of repetitiveness. There's a lot of the same stuff. I don't know if I think Jen is delightful. I think she's sweet. I think she is deserving of finding a true love on this crazy show. I don't think she brings it as much as maybe some of another contestant might. Yeah. No, I would agree with that. I think what it comes down to really for me is I have so much fun talking about it because it's just really funny to just crack jokes the entire time.

So I get excited to watch the show because I know that's coming. But I can understand the people that are watching this because they purely get entertainment out of it, understanding that it's fully, like you said, very repetitive. It's the same shit over and over again. And if you're not looking at it the way that we're looking at it, you might not have as much fun. I would like to have somebody on this show that takes this show super seriously and not to mock them, but just that would be a really fun dynamic, like somebody that's locked in.

They exist. I guess they probably do, right? If we exist for Bravo, where we take that shit too seriously, there's got to be a counterpart of the Bachelor, bachelorette. So I would hope that there's somebody out there. Just screaming at the TV.

What are you doing, Devin? Don't give him a rose. Damn it. You're on a contested show and you want to be the only one? Oh, I've got a lot to say about Devin. Yeah, we'll get into it shortly. But, yeah, all in all, I am still thrilled with our experience and it's like you said it's just fun to watch and it's way more fun to talk

about yeah it's a fun show to break down but let's dive right in and we are in hawaii hawaii island yeah we're in hawaii which is our fourth destination or where have we bit let's backtrack here let's start in the beginning we started at the normal manner in california yes we went from california to australia melbin then we went from australia to new zealand then to Seattle, and we're not going to count the hometowns, right? Or D-1. You have to. Hometown's, Tacoma. So we have four hometowns. Houston.

Hartford? San Diego and Hartford. No. Connecticut's all the same. Yeah, it's Connecticut. Sure. It's not, but yeah. Connecticut. Ooh, Connecticut. Newport. Newport. And then now we're

So, Newport's Rhode Island. Damn. Yeah. I could have sworn it was Newport. I'm sure it was Hartford. It's not Hartford. Hartford's not by the water. one, two. Hartford is a city for the most part and I've been to Hartford and it wasn't

Hartford. It was not Hartford. Tell you what. Start with a C. Ah, we're getting there. Nah, fuck it. I don't care. Nine places including Hawaii. Well, then we've, yeah, including Hawaii. We're going to have ten because we've got to go to the tell-all, which is tonight, or last night

if you're listening to this, which I can't wait. The tell-all is going to be worth I might watch that shit live. Like, that's going to be a lot of fun. And we got hit with a cliffhanger. I was like, whoa. Yeah, cliffhanger was huge this episode. I also forgot to tell you because we were texting about the Phillies last night.

I had a brief moment where I almost put the Bachelorette on versus the Phillies. Did you really? Yeah. I was cooking, so I'm like, oh, I'll just throw it. But I obviously have to pay attention to the Bachelorette. I can throw the Phillies on in the background. But I was cooking and I looked over and I'm like, and it was already 20 minutes in. So I'm like, nah.

Yeah, you can't miss that much of it. but that I don't look I because I know that if you're watching The Bachelor you'd be checking the score on your phone so it's yeah that's great good for you yeah thank you for telling me thank you for sharing should we get into the episode now all right let's do this well as I said we're in Hawaii and we start out immediately with Devin having a bit of a meltdown I don't want to say a meltdown because that seems condescending he's just going through it my guy's going through it yeah they've done this before twice I think they did it with Sam M and Sam N? Yeah, but theirs was different. Theirs was very different. Yeah. And theirs also was definitive towards the end. Yes.

We knew what was going to happen. Correct. This was copy and paste. We got the same scene at the end that we got in the beginning, which I thought was really funny. I did too. I thought there was going to be like, obviously, you know, the breakdown with Jesse at the bar is a little different because we didn't see that. But right after that conversation, it's the exact same scene. I thought we were going to get some more.

I don't know. You know what? I appreciate it. it because it's like, wow, you didn't want to put any more effort into it. You just are like, fuck it, run it back. Yeah, who cares? Now you're going to understand this, but in case you don't remember what happened, we're going to show you the exact same here.

Second by second clip of the intro. Yeah. But as I said, third time, we're in Hawaii, and she sits down with Molly, who is a former bachelor contestant, I guess that she was the winner of her season. And they're talking, look, it's conjugal visit time, everybody. Wait, was she the one who was in Seattle, too? No. Mm-mm.

Oh, because she said that we had been. there with, we had seen Jonathan. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck's going on. I don't fucking know. She said that she saw Jonathan. Okay. She saw Jen and Jonathan together.

Then maybe. She'd already been on this show at least, this season at least one. She's been somewhere on this show. She was somewhere. I don't remember. But she was somewhere who have seen. That makes more sense because I was confused. I saw Jonathan.

I was like, when? So yeah, I didn't put two and two together. So she was probably in Seattle. Let's say she was in Seattle. Well, Molly was in Seattle. So, you know, she's got a little bit of a background. and she also got a free trip to Hawaii, so good for you. Shout out, Molly.

Nice job there. Good job. But it's conjugal visit time. Yes, it is. Or fantasy suites, which is not nearly as fun to say. And here's the thing. And this is going to be a theme throughout this entire episode. We're feeling strongly.

Yep. Okay? We're really feeling strongly about people, about everybody. We're getting there. It's moving in the right direction. I'm having issues myself, and that could be Jen, Marcus, or Jonathan, definitely not Devin. Everyone's feeling similarly.

So I'm going to break it down like this. I think you'll appreciate this. Devon's there. Jen is not. Yep. Jonathan, Jen, same page. Yep. Working on it.

We'll see where it goes. Marcus isn't there. Jen is. Yep. So you got all three, which is interesting. I like it. I do too. It's a good dynamic.

It's a great dynamic. You've got every facet of seeing which is going to work out the best. Now, when I break it down that way, when I was thinking about it, you know, pondering for a while, it made sense to me why Devin is not a frontrunner. And we'll get into it in a little bit, but I want to dive into Devin and Jesse talking. And he says, you know, my biggest fear is that I've told her I love her. I'm afraid she's going to tell somebody else that and she's not going to give me the same thing, which is understandable,

but on the flip side with Jen when she's talking to Molly about it, she's like, it's hard for me to accept something good, I'm trying to work through it, I'm trying to get there. Then why are you on this show? Yeah.

She makes a lot of contradictions this episode that have written down and we will talk about each of them. Why are you on this show? If you're afraid to take a step forward, if you're doing this and that, I don't think she actually is. I think she's trying to rationalize her feelings

why she's not there with Devin because she feels bad. But you can't use that. If you are the bachelor or the bachelorette, you cannot say that I have a hard time, you know, falling for somebody or I have a hard time getting to a certain point. You got a week, bro.

You got one week to figure the shit out. It's also, I understand that, but you're clearly there with Marcus. Correct. So you're lying. So you're lying. Right. And I think that's what she doesn't want to do.

I think she just doesn't want to come out and say that she doesn't see anything with Devin. Well, instead she just turns into a big old contrary. factory, and I don't like that. Well, this is the other problem. She contradicts herself so much. And look, I don't care. The conjugal visits are conjugal visits,

but you had Devin tell you that he loved you. Boinked them. Boinked them. Potentially. Potentially. Potential boinking. Before we go any further, because I'm going to say boinked a lot, probably. I think that's an extremely important part of this process to see if you're, like,

sexually compatible with these dudes. So I have no, there's no issue there. It's just, you know, it's a conjugal visit. They point. So, Devin tells you that he loves you. You go to the suite. Conjugal. Jonathan, you're both, you're kind of giving him shit for not getting there, essentially.

But you're not there. You're not there either. I'm just breaking it just the conjugal visit aspect, which is wild. You're giving Jonathan shit for not quite being there. Yes. And yet you're not quite there. Yes. Conjugal visit.

Correct. Marcus tells you, in the most Marcus way possible, which took fucking... This is why the episode was an hour and a half, by the way. It took 30 minutes. It took 30 minutes

for Marcus to say seven words. Jesus Christ, dude, spit it out. I know you've been through a lot and I know that you really don't understand why you're on this show anymore because I think... I don't think he ever expected to get this far. I don't either.

And he said, what the fuck am I doing here? I'm going to just do this the best way I can. I'm basically... He broke up with you. That's what I thought. He fucking broke up with you in his own way and you are either blinded by love

or Marcus is an idiot and he can't actually use his right word. I think that you reeled them back in a little bit. Yeah, with the conjugal visit. Oh, you think that that's what it? He's like, all right, fine. Because at the end, I really anticipated going through all of that. I'm like, dude, fucking spit it out, spit it out.

We went to seven commercial breaks, I imagine. I didn't have any commercials because I've got Hulu Prime. Is that what it's called? I don't know. No, it's Amazon Prime. Yeah, whatever. Hulu Plus? Hulu Plus?

Hulu Live Plus TV. I don't have that. I've got regular ass Hulu, and I don't have commercials either. Yeah, no commercials. But anyway, Marcus takes forever to get there. No, you're trying to flex it. You have this Hulu super package. I've got the basic one, and I don't have commercials.

Well, shut up. Well, whatever. Flex. Anyway, Marcus gets reeled back in by the conjugal visit. I wanted at some point during that conversation for Jen to say, look, I've got this letter. You know, you can read it, figure it out, and for him to deny it. See, here's my... That's the parody that I need, though.

I get that. We just don't get it. She went on one-on-one dates with all. all these guys, everybody got a rose from it. I need there to be some threat of not working out. Not this far along. You can't. There's no way.

And then my other part of that with Marcus accepting the conjugal time is like, I think that in that certain moment, that was an important thing. I don't think that's, because I was with you, he's breaking up with her, Donnie's getting off the show. I don't think that's what it was after their time together. I think it was so important for them to not have cameras on and try to figure out what the fuck's going on. plus potentially have sex.

I'm sure that was enticing. Yeah, I don't think that your hands should have, I think they should have gone in. Well, they were going to, but the pens in my hands. Oh, okay, all right. I got blocked. Cool, cool, cool, yeah.

They were here and now they should be there. Yeah, but I can't just the pen. Yeah. I get it. I see what you're doing. But the pen is also important in the grand scheme of things. If you're not watching YouTube,

you're really missing out right now on some hand stuff. But let's keep going. I agree. I agree. I know, that was the joke, dickhead. With MX Platinum. Access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside.

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but she continues to go into height-centric events. She had one really cool, I don't want to blame Jen for this, the Bachelorette had one really, really cool set up for a date. And they said, who do you want to do this with? Well, it's the guy that I love, obviously. Yeah. Let's go see some manatees and they'll light up and do whatever. Wasn't it manatees?

Some what? Wasn't it manatees? What is it? What the fuck time out? What do you think a manatee looks? like he's a fat seal what did you see them swimming with did you skip that i couldn't really see i didn't skip it i didn't skip it did you get colorblinded i couldn't really see what they were looking at because of your colorblindness i think because i watched it on my phone okay mantarais oh

that was manorays that makes a lot more sense yeah yeah they i don't think that man they've been a little checked out light up it sounds a little checked out from this yeah man it's a it's a lot of the same shit. I'm tired of them telling each other that they're getting there. I agree. I agree. I think I checked out, yeah. That's fine. And you know what? Collateral damage. I'm sorry to the manorays. Yeah, the manorays. Manorays are really cool. Manatees are also cool. You can't touch them. Yeah, they're gross, right? No, they're in danger. I thought they were gross. I thought you get like, what? That's seals. Seals are gross.

Seals are you can get a really bad bacterial infection. Yeah, I don't think it's smart to touch them, but I don't think they have the same threat as like a seal. You can get a crazy infection. I've heard of that. manatees, you're not legally allowed. Like, there's a video of a manatee that went up and legit hugged somebody's leg. Yeah. They were not allowed to get the manatee off

until the manatee let them go, or it's a felony. Wow. Yeah. So a little manatee knowledge there. I know a lot about manatees in Florida. You learn a lot about them. Anyway. Yeah.

Let's keep moving. Keep going. Big question. Was that the Jurassic Park waterfall? I think so. It was, right? Pretty sure. I'm like 90% sure.

I'm pretty sure, yeah. I thought the fact they didn't, get the rights to play that music was a big missed opportunity. Yeah, travesty. Yeah, I don't appreciate that. But all we're getting from this is Devin, he's there. He is one million percent in love with this chick. And I believe him, too.

When he's talking, I'm like, I really think you are. I don't know if caught up in the moment of the show and maybe you'll get some clarity when you leave. But I do think that he's head over heels for this chick. And she keeps saying the same fucking thing. I'm close to being in love with Devin. What does that mean? please you tell me what it means to

I'm close to being in love with you you're either there or you're not yeah so what I took from that is if Marcus dumps me I've got a backup settle for Devin I agree yeah I agree which sucks especially when Devin says later like I've been an option before I don't want to be a backup plan

I was like wow you know exactly what you are too that kind of sucks yeah that really sucks the realization there really sucks but again this is the episode of Jen just contradicting yourself because she is moving at a normal pace with, I would say both Devin and Jonathan. Yes.

Devin's not moving in a normal pace. But Devin and Jonathan, separately, she is moving at a normal pace, waiting to see things, trying to learn as much about each other as possible. I would argue that she's trying to learn more about Jonathan than she is about Devin. I think Devin kind of jumped the gun a little bit.

That was what I was saving. A little bit. Devin, when I broke down earlier where all three of them stand, Devin's in, Jen's not, blah, blah, blah. Devon came on too strong He tried to time it too He thought that it was the right move To do it at the family thing

No you do it in Hawaii He's really close Do it in Hawaii He was already there You realize He should have had better wherewithal To understand that Jeremy is only there Because he finally got a one-on-one day to the end

That's all he got So you just didn't play the hand right So it is funny to watch her do that Because she's moving at a normal pace With these two She's jumping in with Marcus So yeah She's got that in the back of her head.

Like, all right, I love Marcus. If Marcus doesn't love me back, then I'm probably going to have to send them home. Right. And then I'll have these two, and I can pick between these two. But I'm not going to come out and say that I love either of them. Agreed. I think that's throwing off all of her chemistry with these two, although there is chemistry with both of them.

I will say that. But, yeah, I do think that's what's holding her back. And I also think that, again, Devin came on too hot, and he's too open, and that sucks because he's just being himself. And what really sucks about it, he's doing everything that she's asked of him. I want somebody that's open, somebody that takes care of me, that tells me how they feel about me, that makes me feel wanted, cared for, loved,

XYZ, all of this other shit. Here you go. She's afraid of that. No, she's not. She's just not feeling it. I think that she's only dated douchebags in her life. She has. Who are not emotionally available.

And that's Marcus. He's not a douchebag, but he's not emotionally available. No, but contradictions once again, she's like, I self-sabotized. I'm just realizing that now I've never done it before then you don't self-sabotage Jen if it's never happened before you're not a self-sabotor

or she doesn't actually realize what she's done I don't think that she does like she's like I've been in relationships that have been sabotaged by the dude you're not a self-sabotor so that bothered me she's contradictory this whole episode and Devon poor sweet Devin

is catching the flack you know what the thing is it just comes down to it Jen wasn't ready to be the Bachelorette. Ooh, I like that. She keeps asking, are you ready to get married? Are you ready to get engaged right away to all these guys? Nope. You're not ready.

So why do you need them to be ready? And then you tell you that they're ready. And then you break their goddamn heart and you have to see that he's a tough crier. Yeah. It made me sad when he was that sad. Yeah, I felt bad for him. Because I believed it.

I believe it. I believed when Marcus cried, too. We've questioned Devin's motives in the past. Not questioning anymore. No. You know who I'm, you know whose motives I'm questioning now? Jen. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I'm questioning Jen's motives. Because you know what? You ask for all these things that he's giving. There is chemistry. We see it. Don't give him the run around then. You want these dudes to be all honest with.

You want them to bear their heart on their sleeve and tell you how they're feeling and be ready to jump in head first. You give that same energy, Jen. Because that's not fair to Devon. Why if she's, like, not allowed to talk about the other guys to these guys? I mean, obviously it's a really bad move. It's a tough move. The guy on the one-on-one day. probably doesn't want to know where everybody else stands.

And if you do, now you're the insecure. You've got to be curious. Yeah, but you know, you come off as the insecure guy. Yeah, but you're not going to ask. I'm saying, like, you're not going to ask. But if Jen is willingly giving you that information. I think that she would willingly give Marcus that information. Yeah.

I'm feeling this way about you, not the other guys. I don't think she'd do that for the other two. I don't think Jonathan needs it. That's the difference. Devin needs it. Jonathan's cool with it. Marcus is scared of it. It's almost like when we're going through all of this, I put myself in their position.

going through it. Yeah, no, we're going through it. I did. I put myself in that situation. I wouldn't want to be the last, I wouldn't want to be the guy who wins. I would like to be in the semifinals. Yeah, runner up. You get to do everything.

You get your face out there. You want to be Grant. You get to see what happens. Yeah, Grant is obvious. Well, I don't know. I don't want to be the bachelor either because then you have to be committed to get engaged the next year. No, you don't.

Because they all get divorced or they break up after like two months in the real world because their lives don't enter. That's the other thing about this show. I have wool over my eyes. And I don't want you to pull it off, all right? All right. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

Okay, go ahead. Fuck. But no, I wouldn't want to do that. I would want to be able to get to Hawaii, be one of the last guys standing there, but not selected. I think that that's a good move. Yeah. But, you know, it opens the door to your Bachelor Nation career. Yeah, you just get a Bachelor in Paradise, dude.

That's the move. Party it up. Party it up and maybe actually meet somebody. Who knows, but. Then you get to run the circuit. You get to do whatever reality TV show you want. Honestly, they end up on, like, traitors or something. Something like that.

There's a lot of moves to be making. That's a new dream job for people. Yeah, unless you're Sam M. And then your dad speaks out and you just kind of shoehorn yourself. Yeah, you're kind of fucked. I'm not sure where he, maybe House of Villains. Nah, he's not smart enough for that. No, he's not smart enough for traders either.

He's not smart enough for either of them. I think he's just done. I don't know he does anything. They just relaunched wipeout. That would be good. He could go on wipeout. I'd like to watch him, wife out. Like, no talking rolls.

No. For him, you know. Maybe your dad, you could have a talking role. Yeah. Maybe a dad-son dating show. Talk about that with Sandoval. What? You don't remember that?

Oh, the dad. Yeah. Yeah. Not where my head went. I forgot about that one. No, no, no. Oh, them dating each other. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck?

I'm an idiot. I'm moving a little slow to do. I don't know why. My brain's not firing today. That is fast, but in the wrong direction. Okay. My brain's just not working well today. That's fair.

Let's keep going. Because we got to keep going. Because we get to, again, he's, He's bearing his soul, he being Devin, and she keeps saying this is what sucks. She's saying too much without saying enough because she's like, you make me feel so secure. I'm so excited. It's hard for me to accept a good thing and to lean in, but I'm feeling all of these great things. My whole thing is you shouldn't have to try.

If you're trying to get there, you're probably never going to get there. And this is the first time that Devin left slip, like her not saying it's really starting to take a toll on me. It's not adding up. And he needs to hear, I love you. They go to dinner. That's you get the self-sabotage, blah, blah, blah, and you get the conjugal visit. Now, the morning after gave me high hopes because the wake-up between these two was solid. I always look at the wake-up.

That's important. How are you waking up? Is the vibe there you giggling? They brushed their teeth before they made out in the morning. Yeah, she had a full face of makeup. Okay, cool. Good morning. Oh.

You know, that's a thing for you. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah, no, it is. But I also felt comforted knowing that she had a full, face of makeup, but not because I give a fuck about that, but because she took the time to do that, she probably also brushed her teeth while cameras are getting set up and all that shit, you know what I mean? So, yes, the kiss was probably not a morning breath kiss, which is gross.

Public service announcement. Adding it to the list. Steel needs girls to be in full makeup in the morning when they wake up. Absolutely not. And brush their teeth. No. What, goddamn it. No, none of those things are important to me.

I'm saying if you're with your significant other and you want to have a little makeout session in the morning, that's great. That's lovely. good for you. Brush your teeth. That's fucking yucky. Yeah. You're gross.

It makes me change how I feel about you, knowing that you're one of those guys. No, you want, we watched bridesmaids. I know. What's, I can't remember her character's name, but Kristen Wig?

Kristen Wig's character, I can't remember her character's name, but she woke up at like 3 a.m. and put a full face of makeup on and then went back to bed. That's what you want. That's not what I want. I don't like this because of,

people are going to take it and run with it. Like, aha, see, these pieces of shit. shit. It's not true at all. I'm saying, look, everybody knows there's a disclaimer in the beginning of every single episode. This is just some silly goose time. We're having a silly goose time, and you're trying to fuck me over here. But big shout out. No pun intended. Because people have said Devin kind of looks like Pete Davidson, but let me tell you's better than every way. What's the first

thing you know about Pete Davidson? Huge cock. Huge penis. I wasn't going to say cock. Whatever Jeremy said, huge whatever Jeremy said. Yeah. So, here's the... Poor instrument. Poor instrument. Yeah. The P-word that we will never know. Pecker, prick, or porn instrument? I don't think you'd bleep out Pecker, but hey, who knows? Who knows? It's a... It's a broadcasting channel. So I got... Big deal, whatever.

What the fuck is the word? Cable? Cable? It's not cable. Network television. Jesus, I told you. I'm not working. But if Devin doesn't get picked, it's like the French pole voltater that got... knocked out because of his giant wiener knocked down the pole vaulting bar. Yep. At the very least, Devin, you're going to be known as the big dick guy from The Bachelor now. So that's fine.

I mean, that's a good consolation prize. Could be worse. If you get your heart broken, at least your dick's not broken. Somebody in that fun run group is going to be like, oh. Yeah, I never noticed. Never notice that bulge there, Dev. Also, never thought I'd say that sentence because my wife's name is, Devin. Never noticed that bulge, Dev.

That's a funny one. Yeah, oh, my God. That was fun. But anyway, Big Kiss, he tries to sneak, the whole time he's fishing. He's fishing the entire time, which does get a little sad to watch. Yeah, a lot of sad, silent moments. Yeah, and him like saying too much and you're like, yeah, reel it in a little bit. I know what you're doing and it's fair, but it's not going to work.

And then he like, mid-kiss is like, I love you, and she's like, bye. Literally love you, she says bye. Like, that sucks. That's tough. So we kind of see the writing on the wall with Devin. But he did it to himself, and that's the thing, obviously. Obviously, like, we can lump in the end scene with this. Yeah.

He wakes up that morning, goes through all of that, thinks that they had a really great time together. Apparently, they did. But not to the point that she says that I love you. You could have just kept your mouth shut. She hasn't said it since now. What do you think she's just going to, like, that was what she needed? It's not fair for him to have to keep his mouth shut. I get that part of it, but, like, you're not doing yourself any favors.

If you want to play the game, this is why I fucking hate games. I say it all the time. And not the game, the Bachelorette game, like the game of, wooing woo. Yeah. I hate the fact that, like, you have to sit on your feelings for an extended period of time instead of being like, hey, this is how I feel. Do you reciprocate? No, let's move on or yes. Or can you see it anything? But that's what bugs me about Jen. She wants to

sit on this pedestal. If I need this, I need that. It's like you can't get any other words out to Devon other than feeling really strongly excited, could see a future. If he's bearing his soul just say, look, I don't know. Maybe I can get there. I'm trying really hard. I'm not there yet. If that's a problem. Like, she should be able to reciprocate the fact that he can sit there and listen to all of her shit. He needs something now.

Yeah. He needs something from you. You want to give and preach all this shit about relationships, even though all of your relationships up until this point have been a disaster. Your words, not mine. And you want to sit there and tell people how it should go, but you can't give the same to Devin. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. I agree. Yeah, I'm really turning on Jen. I didn't see this coming.

I know. We're villain. It's working its way out. But let's get to Jonathan. I really like Jonathan. I've always really liked Jonathan. I did not care for the cheat day comment. And that's coming from my personal trainer.

Like, dude, just don't even slow. Oh, you're really. It tricked me into eating more sugar. Shut up. Yeah, shut up. You're on vacation. Not really a sweets guy, but for Jen, I'll have a cheat day. We don't need to hear it.

Not really a sweet sky. Get out. Get out. You know what? No, I'm not really a sweet sky. I've seen you eat an entire pint of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. when like last year yeah are you sure yeah okay well i don't do that very often yeah which is also not it was it wasn't the tonight dough it was fuck what was it where were we what where were we

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Learn more at sap.com slash uncertainty. But also, in the grand scheme of things, we're talking about two things in this episode. Devin and Marcus. Yeah. Nothing happened with Jonathan. They're where they were before.

Exactly. They just went on a little like normal. Again, I do think that she saved the Manoray date just for Marcus because it is the most romantic and beautiful and fun, and that's what she wants to do with the guy that she loves. Fine. Devin's just going in the helicopter is, Part for the course for this one.

Yeah, you already did that. How many fucking helicopters are on this show? This is the fourth time, I think. Is this four? This is the fourth helicopter. Auckland tour? Auckland. All right, so I'm breaking it down like this.

Didn't Jonathan already, wait, hold on, I'm sorry. Jonathan was on one. He was scared to death. He was on one. Spencer was on one. There's a third, and now this is the fourth. I forget what the third one was. Somebody went on it.

Damn, who was that? It wasn't Sam M. No, it was, fuck. It was a fourth. I just can't remember who it was. We've had four helicopter moments. Yeah. So, yeah, another helicopter moment.

Whatever. Same shit as always. Jonathan's was a little road trip to some, like, little Hawaiian spots that we're just going to eat some fun food. Wrong guy for that. Jonathan was Jeremy's date last week. Here's a normal day. Yep.

Which is great. Fine, but you're in Hawaii. Like, this is a normal day. That's for hometowns. Not for Hawaii. I want to see you go ATVing on a volcano. Yep. Again, this is the time that Devin should have broken out the love.

Yeah, I know. This is when you do it, because if you know in the back of your head, you talk to Jonathan, Jonathan's not going to do anything, he's still getting there, nothing, nothing moved at all. Especially here's why, because she's had time to ruminate on the love thing. So she goes to this fucking Jurassic Park waterfall, you're having champagne, or let's say you do it right at the end of the conjugal visit, when you're kissing, when he does say I love you, when they're smooching, if that was the first time, and then she goes and has her date with Marcus and she says, I love you to him and he doesn't reciprocate, but now you got in the back

of your mind, oh, Devin just said he loved me, but you didn't say it a week ago, she said too long to think about it without you being there. That would have played way better. But again, fuck the games. That's stupid, but that would have worked significantly better for Devin than what is currently happening. I agree with that, yeah. And I think that Jonathan, what Jonathan is there, if she can't get there with Devin and if Marcus can't get there with her. Jonathan's the third guy. Honestly, seriously, like the where we stand right now, and you and I talked about this before we started recording, it's sort of like any drama show ever. If you don't see somebody actually die, then they're not actually dead. Yeah, it's there.

We didn't see Devin and Jen have this discussion and then Devin say he's going home. Right. So I assume he's going to be there. I don't know how this works. Is there, it's just between the three of them now and there's one rose. No, no, no, no. No, no. Somebody gets sent home, then there's two guys left.

Somebody's going home. There is two guys left. somebody's going home tonight tonight so where it stands if devon if devon doesn't play himself out of this or recuse himself from the show jonathan has to go home devon's confessing his love you're saying that you're getting there jonathan's really here's why i don't i think jen's not down this is my issue with her i don't think she's being forthcoming with devon i think she's leading him on i think that she would rather try to unravel the mystery of what her and Jonathan are

because she knows exactly what her and Devon are and I don't think I don't know what the I don't know what it is I don't maybe she's just not into him like that or maybe he jumped the gun and she actually is scared but I think the safer bet and she's playing the safe bet for the backup plan isn't Devon because now she's afraid she can't reciprocate

or with Jonathan it's like we're both question marks I won't hurt your feelings you know what I mean that's a good point I don't know either my mind's at a pretzel I do know this Marcus even though he said I don't love you we'll make it to the end

oh maybe not maybe not no no I think he will you can't send home the one dude that made it to the last three that said he loves you you can't send him home I'm saying I'm saying he's gonna be the last

he might that's fucked I was I was firmly somebody check on Devin yeah seriously I was firmly in the court of Devin is going to go through Marcus is either going to play himself out of it but then after watching the morning after I'm like oh no he's still in it

Jonathan has to go home so I think that's where we're going to be I'm also confused isn't this tonight or last night if you're listening now live I believe so then how and I always I don't think anybody goes home tonight though I think it's between three of them it's not between three unless Devin goes home on his own

somebody's going home it's not but Between three. My point with tonight, or last night, damn it. How is it? I always get confused when they have clips of the event, but it's not, but it is live. But there's not live. But they said it's live. Sam, I'm trusting Sam N.

Goes, you're not doing this to me on live TV. So I'm, I guess. They have clips, so it's not live. But they have clips of other shows that are live. I don't, I have no idea. I don't, I don't, TV. Stop. Let's just stop it.

Movie magic. Movie magic. Move on through. Jonathan's date, nothing happened. They're through Jonathan's date. They're on the same page. Notical visit. Yeah.

The whole thing that she needs from him, we can talk about it real quick. I need him to be more open about his feelings. You do it. Yeah. You be more open with your feelings. Because you keep saying the same shit with no end. There's no goal. What's the goal?

I get it. You had a weird childhood. You have a weird relationship with your father because he left. That's terrible. But that fucked up your relationship. relationship with men. Got it. Where do we go from here?

Also, her dad won a Hawaii trip from an ad. He was one of those. He did a pop-up ad, and he actually won. I don't believe that. You know how many times? I don't either. I think that he got, like, some weird deal. I wanted online.

Didn't want to tell him I actually got it from him. His identity got stolen, too. But, you know, Hawaii. I've always wondered that, though, if you just signed up for all of them, how many would actually pan out? Not today. I know, like, I'm talking about OG Internet days. You'd win a couple.

Probably. Before they started scamming people more. How many Nigerian princes out there were able to actually send their money? Donated a lot to those guys. So I'm waiting for my, they said if I give them a hundred bucks, I get like a million back. I haven't gotten it yet. I'm out like 10K. So I got a lot of money coming back, like eight figures.

Pretty much you buying hats on Instagram stores. This was a gift. No, I know. This was a gift. We pointed that out yesterday in the middle of the show. Yeah, you're right. I know, my bad. But anyhow, let's get back to business. We're done with Jonathan.

Jonathan's the safe bet, or he's the question mark that she's not going to feel bad. Safe question mark, yeah. Safe question mark, she won't feel bad. But they wake up, everything seems like it's okay. But the more important part is we flash over to Devin. He's on the struggle bus. And this is what, like, I actually felt bad in this moment. Because I felt bad before, but I was like, damn, bro, that's tough.

Because he goes, I've been an option. When he says, I've been the safe bet, I was like, oh, bro, that's, I want to give him a bro hug. I love double tap on the back and say, it's all good, man, you're going to be okay. You're going to get through this because that sucks, because that's exactly, exactly what you are right now. Yeah, it's a tough look. He's a safe bet. He's the one that he jumped the gun. It comes back to that.

The waterfall or the night the morning after was the moment. He jumped the gun, especially Marcus would have did him a lot of favors. Well, Devin told me yesterday he loved me. Why can't you? You know what? Fuck you, Marcus. I'm going to the guy that loves me. Too soon.

Too soon. What could have been? I'm so, I'm going to watch tonight live. I can't wait for the cliffhanger. And if they fucking wait until the end of the episode to give me that cliffhanger, ooh. They might. But both ends of the spectrum are going to be great.

Men tell all, we just get a bunch of the idiots. It's going to be good. Yeah. Sam ends there in his denim jacket. His denim leather jacket. His Lennam jacket? Sam M is there with his dad. He's in the audience.

He's in the audience. He's got to be. He's got to be there with a sign that says hashtag, stand with Sam M. Yep. Is that what the hashtag was? You remember that. Is that, I got it? That is actually what it is.

Wow. I'm surprised you remember that. I don't remember shit. I know. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Can we get into Marcus's name? Keep getting derailed.

Yeah. Let's get into Mark. Do you say Marcus's date or Marcus's name? Date. I think we get into Marcus's name? I was like, yeah, wait. It's Marcus. His name's Marcus.

End the story. derailed again. See what I do there? All right, let's get into it. Marcus is clearly having a tough time. Yeah. Because as he's teeing off with Jesse Palmer in the driving range, good swing, by the way.

Solid swing, good contact, good follow through. A little short on the approach, but it's okay. All in all, good swing. Jesse Palmer, great swing. Spent a lot of time in the course. Yeah. Also, South Paw. Love that.

Yep. But anyway. Him saying, this is definitely the most important week so far. It's like, first of all, every week is the most important week because you might go home. Second of all, yeah, bro, there's three left. Figure it out. It's conjugal visit time. This is the most important.

That immediately told me that Marcus did not expect to be here. Correct. How the fuck did I get here? Oh, this is real now. Fuck. And I definitely don't love her. I definitely do not love her. Yeah, see, I don't know what to tell you, bro.

Can we just go play 36? And he tried to say that in so many words. Later on. Yeah, sure. Like, even here, he's talking about it, and he's like, we know where you stand. Not 100%. This is not for you. You don't want to get engaged

as somebody you met on a game show. Marcus is an interesting character because Jesse, and I think here's what I... I don't know if I'm reading them wrong and if it's going to be the biggest like wool pulled over my eyes moment ever with Marcus because I do pride myself

on being able to read people pretty well. He just seems genuine. And when Jesse's like, do you realize like what an inspiration you are? Because his story's nuts. The fact that he's this put together and I was fucking wild. Well, I think what it is,

is that Marcus doesn't want to let anybody down. I agree. That's a good... Including the people who are watching The Bachelorette. I think you're right. He's like, I don't feel it. Because I don't feel... No, I got from that, I don't feel inspirational.

It's like, bro, you fucking took a grenade. Well, yeah, for that part of it, for sure. But I'm talking about how I feel like he's known... Yeah, I'm not really there, and this isn't for me. I'm not going to get there. I'm not going to get to a point where I want to propose to you on a game show. But he doesn't want to come out and say that because then it kind of ruins the...

whole show as the frontrunner. I agree, but I also really genuinely think he wants to be there. I think he wants it. I think he's just confused as fuck. I do too. Where he's like, yeah, I shouldn't want it. But I do want it. I've only known her for a couple weeks.

He's using too much logic. And at the same time, I can't let these people down and I don't want to let Jen down, but I also have to stand up for myself. So I'm going to do the most ambiguous breakup of all time. Yes. See what happens. And I'm going to have sex. Yes.

That's what happens. But again, I thought that was important. They had the one on one time. And also, like I said earlier, I think that this is massively important to make sure that you have sex with this person before you get engaged because it might be a nightmare. You're like, oh, which by the way, I wonder if that's ever had. In the long span of Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, there has to be at least one where the morning after they're like, absolutely not. Yeah, no. That was horrible.

Did not care for it. he's out. He's out. He's out because we didn't vibe. So get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I'm sure that happened. But Jen, as we know, is very, very much more into Marcus than he is. And she even lets slip, I'm in love with him, which, you know, duh. Like, we all knew that going into this. But it was important for me that she said that only because I'm like, all right, well, then everything else you're saying to Devin, everything else you're saying to Jonathan is simply not true.

Yeah. You're just trying to, like, lead them along without. being rude to make sure they're still there, just in case Marcus doesn't reciprocate. You are capable of moving past all of your past traumas to get to a point to love somebody. You're just in love with this guy. Yeah.

And aren't sure how to move forward with the other two until you know what's going on with him. So it's important that you said that. But we also knew that. But they go night snorkeling with manatees. Have a great time. It was, look. They glow.

They didn't. They glowed because the fucking lights were shining. down on that. I was expecting that scene from Moana where the grandmother dies and then the Manoray swims out to sea and that's the grandmother's spirit and it's like neon green and like crazy lights. You really love Moana.

It's my favorite. How do you not? There's another one coming up. This has got to be the fifth time that it's been brought up on one of our shows. I will continue to bring up to me on. I'm just saying you really love it. It's a phenomenal movie. If you can't appreciate Milana, I don't want to be friends with you. It's not my favorite, but I can appreciate it.

That's okay. It doesn't have to be your favorite. Is it okay? Because the way that you said that... You can't tell me what my favorite movie is. No, no, no. The way that you said it's not my favorite implies. Like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine.

You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I feel, I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. I'm not going to go on a Mwaner rant. That's not happening right now. Not going to do it. You're not going to be...

I'm not going to do it. But not because you told me not to do it. Stop derailing our show. Because I don't want to do it. That's why I'm not doing it. But anyway, They get to dinner. That's where she lets Marcus know, hey, I'm in love with you.

I got to tell you. But before she has that opportunity, and I agree with you, it seemed like a pseudo-breakup where it's like, I'm not there. And I thought that maybe he was like, you know, we'll see you, I'm going to keep trying this and that. But when he says, you deserve somebody that is there, I'm like, he's out. Yeah. He's out.

I do think she reeled him back in a little bit, but I also think I wasn't ready for him to be out, not because I'm rooting for the. these two in particular, I'm not rooting against them. I needed them to have the night together, not for sex, but simply I was like, wait, I think you'd be doing both of you a disservice, Marcus, if you don't have this time together off camera to at least try to root some things out. Hey, let's talk, talk. Let's not talk camera talk because we see the same shit. It's definitely played up. Let's talk. Yeah. So I thought it was important. Okay. Yeah. What? I was just laughing at.

you clarifying that you personally didn't need them to have sex. Yeah, I didn't care about that. You didn't need to say that. Well, I just say, like, well, I wanted to make sure that our audience knows I didn't need them to have the one-on-one time simply to bone. I needed more. Okay, I needed more depth there than just a one-off, boink. Okay.

Okay? Simple-minded fuck. She says to him, how are you feeling? A bit nervous. That's where he goes on his whole speech. about, you know, the last rose ceremony, I was standing there and I was nervous. It's the first time I've been nervous because I hadn't questioned anything before. The biggest takeaway for me is when they're not together, he has all of the questions. When they are together, he's cool. But I don't

know if that's because, do you think that's like, I'm distracted? Yeah, probably. It's not. But that has to go into the psyche of just being on this show. Again, yeah. We already explains how confused he is, definitely. But also, when you're away from her, really all you should be saying is I miss you. Right. Not, oh my God, can I do this? Can I get engaged? It's been so fast.

Like, you're thinking very logically. Incredibly logically. Honestly, Jeremy's family would like to have a word with you. Yeah. Or how logically you're speaking. Right. They would tell you. Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah. Don't do this. Phone a friend. Jeremy's sister. Yeah, Jeremy's sister. This is probably not the right move. shouldn't be in this show. You seem to be working through a lot of personal stuff as well that you probably should

figure out before diving into a marriage. But hey, it's been a month. Go for it. No. Don't do that. But, yeah, no, I purely thought that this entire thing was a breakup. Jen's just like, well, you know, since you said all of that, I'm going to tell you that I love you.

That's fair. Well, it's fair. If you're in love with somebody, you've got at least throw it out there. I agree with that part of it, but I don't think she did it just to throw it out there. She just wants to reel them back in. Again, I think that's... I'm not going to let you go that easily. I don't think, but that's fair again.

It's my show. If you're, I don't think it's show-centric. I think all of it's slightly show-centric. Okay. I'm just saying, I think that she is, again, this goes to the psychology of being on this show. In this world, if she had separation from it for like a couple weeks, I think she would have a different thought process. In this world of I'm with you or the other two guys all the time, this is all I think about. I do think that she's like, fuck, I can't let this guy go either of you.

Like, I need to do one last ditch effort to see if I can keep you around for one more week to try to convince you, which once again, for both sides, Devin and Marcus, you shouldn't have to convince love. Yeah, I wonder if it's one of those things. Wait, wait, that was deep and I didn't get anything. It's The Bachelorette. You don't have to get that. No, I do wonder if it's one of those things that probably every Bachelor, Bachelorette contestant goes through towards the end. Probably.

Where you do have a favorite. You do have someone that you're like, yeah, I can't actually see myself, at least in a relationship with this person. You can't, no reasonable person is going to say, I could marry this person. Any of them, any of them. But there are probably ones that you're like, wow, I really do like this person. I want to move forward with them. You have one favorite. And then you have two others that you're like, I don't know.

We'll see how it goes. That's got to be scary, especially when the one that you want to be with is like, I don't know about all of this It's like fuck Now I have to pick one of the rejects Yeah one of these guys This guy's way too well And then people are gonna look back on my season

They're gonna look back on my season When we're divorced or not actually married In the next six months And be like oh that was a waste of time Yeah But that's also kind of how this show continues to Yeah Well that's why we only have like one or two people

That come back on the show And they're like yeah We've been happily married for 15 years They had to go back to the original There are like 30 Bachelor Bachelorette There's way more than that 30 of each is whatever Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there's so many of these fucking shows. So, yeah, I would love to see the success rate from the, you know what would be interesting is the success rate from the Bachelor, the success rate from the Bachelorette and Bachelor, which is more successful at paring? Probably early seasons of this. I would imagine before it became like the Bachelor Nation where you got involved in just reality TV. I would imagine that the earlier dates were more successful. Yeah, probably. I don't know. But they have a great night.

clearly the next morning I will say Marcus does seem a little bit more at ease I'm not sure if that's going to lead to love but at least they seem a little bit more calm together and flash over to Devon and this guy is he going through it this is the beginning of the episode where he's just walking in circles

he's doing an emotional lookout to the ocean that this poor guy is legit going through it and producers are like we need you to stand there and look out longingly towards the sea no no not that way no not that way okay good now walk back in not that way one more take are you okay why are you crying it's almost over i felt for devon in this scene but the best part is he's sitting at the bar like playing with his drink he's like i need to talk to somebody that can talk some sense into me somebody

that really gets it you know who really gets it he's on the 16th d right now we'll get him jesse fucking palmer gets it i'm actually gonna finish up these holes devon you're gonna have to sit and wait for me a little bit devon's really going through it so why But there's always one every season that just has to go through it. Give them a couple of times. That's the text message when you're like on the 14th hole. And you're like, oh, there's a really slow group in front of us. There's nobody in front of you.

You're like, ah, it's just taking a while. I'm actually trying to play another nine. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, we got delayed because of lightning. So Jesse Palmer finishes 18. It comes in. It took about two hours.

They cut that part out. They sit down. And, you know, Jesse's very calming. He's like, look, man, I see it. I see what you're doing. You're putting yourself. out there. You're doing all the right things. You're not getting it back. That's got to be tough. That's got to be hard. Poor Devin, he really broke my heart in this scene. He's like, you know, I just wanted to ask her, do you love me as much as I do? But he's been 100% himself all the way up until that night where he wanted to, now he's trying to play the game because he's in such a pretzel. He's like, I didn't want to say too much. I wish I'd said it because I needed to know where she stood. I don't know where she stands now. I don't know which way is up. And I don't, this part was where I was like, fuck.

He's like, I don't feel it. Yeah. Jesse. I don't feel it. I need to feel it. I want to feel needed. I want to feel wanted. I feel wanted, but I want to feel loved.

I was like, oh. Heartbreaking. Poor sweet, David. All he wants to do is go back to Texas, drive his truck, start a family, buy a house. That's all he wants. That's it. Yep. Just simple.

Very simple guy. Even when he was talking to her one-on-one earlier in the episode and he's, He's like, the extraordinary things to me are the normal things. I was like, how are you not wooed? Yep. How are you not into this guy? You drug him all the way to Hawaii. He's a final three, and you can't even give him the feeling of love?

It's all Marcus-centric. It's, I think so. She only has enough love to go around. It's all in Marcus's basket. That's it, but I guess they okayed it. All right, you can go have one more one-on-one with Jen. And as he's walking up there, he's like, you know, I need to be brutally honest. and this is probably the end for me.

Next week on The Bachelor, or tomorrow night on The Bachelor at Cliffhanger and solid cliffhanger, especially because we get the answer tonight, hopefully. Hopefully. If they wait. No, I don't think they will.

No, because the next week, isn't it? No, no, the scenes from this week, or the scenes for tonight last night, are somewhat centric. I think we have that conversation, but I still could see it being a cliffhanger. I don't think we're going to get the final ceremony of that. No, no, no, no, no.

Not the engagement. I mean, the last man out where it's not the final two. Yeah, I don't think so either unless. I'm going to be a little selfish right now. I kind of want the full episode to just be the dudes that got rejected. I'm cool with that. I'm fine with that. It's enough.

You need the Devon thing next week. I think it's going to be next week. I just don't see it happening this week. I don't need to see that now. It's a cliffhanger. I want to know the answer, but I'm okay with weight. for once I'm okay with waiting just only because we get to see it's really only about a few people for me yeah uh sam n sam m thomas n and spencer seems to pop off on somebody and i i said that that one day

when he went off finally i was like oh fuck didn't see that coming and that's the guys you got to look out for us a sweet dude is it oh shit we're that so i'm excited to see spencer get off and they're just throwing fucking spencer's on his team let's just see spencer get off go off go off he gets no conjugal visit. No, he didn't get a suite, a fantasy suite. Go off, King. Don't get off King. And Hakeem gets more bugs on him. Oh, Hakeem's back. I'm excited for him, too. Oh, what's the big guy's name? Remember him? Oh, is he back? Yeah. Brett. Brett. Yeah, Justice for Brett. I remember that too. They said it during the clip. It was all your favorites are coming back from this season, and they showed Brett. And I'm like, oh, at least they know.

Or sweet, Brett. Why wasn't he the Bachelor? I hope he says that. Why wasn't he the Bachelor? A, B, Is this ABC? Can I even know it? Yeah, that's fucked up. Yeah. What is he? Doesn't fit your narrative. He doesn't fit your, uh, bachelor stereotype.

Hmm? Yep. That's bullshit. He's a handsome fellow. Justice for Brett. Justice for Brett. Hashtag once again. But, uh, but let's get to some questions.

All right. First up here from our Mibb, 124. Who do you think is worse at golf? The Bachelorette guys or the OC housewives? O.C. Housewives. Devin was the only one that wasn't great. Yeah, I would agree with that. Marcus said he had a solid swing. And again, Palmer is out there. He's ripping it. Yeah. Again, he's a retired football player.

Yeah, he's the host of the bachelor. He's hanging out golfing the entire time. Pretty sure, no matter where they go, he golfs. He probably just, yeah. Yeah, I don't play them. He golfs. From Rachel Mickelis, highly recommended snorkeling with manorays. It is one of my favorite travel experiences. Well, Rachel, have you ever tried snorkeling with manatees?

Because let me tell you, don't touch him. And the last one here from JNV7. Do reality show producers have to adhere to workplace bullying policies? I don't know who was getting bullied. Oh, that's in the scenes from next week. That's tonight's episode, last night's, because somebody brings up bullying. Oh, really? Yeah, I would imagine with unscripted reality TV, especially this kind of setup, it's harder to police things like that.

I'm sure there's, like, a ceiling of like, all right, dude, you're going too far. Yeah, I think there's a ceiling for it, but also on a show like this, you know you're going to get the payoff with the men tell all or the women tell all on the other ones. If there is bullying during the season and the guys have seen it and everybody's seen it, they're going to get the call out immediately. I would imagine. So there's going to be some satisfaction for it. Totally. And I would imagine it's probably like if it becomes detrimental to a person. But let's look across the board at reality TV.

is there ever like an actual anti-bullying thing? Look at the fucking Housewives. Look at all of the non-housewives shows on Bravo. Like people are mean as shit to each other. That's unfortunately a lot of the reasons we watch these shows is because of the drama. So yes, if it's detrimental to their health or well-being, maybe they step in. But I don't know. Especially you're also talking about a group of like super testosterone-riddled dudes and none of them are going to be like, he's bullying me until tonight.

Until tonight. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. I hope Sam N, like, I hope he's still personified by this venom character that we talked about. Yeah, he kept the jacket, he's wearing it again, he thinks it's iconic, or he can't get it off, I don't know. I hope that his entire, he just can't take it off because it's the venom. I just hope that he was this one person for his whole life, and this show genuinely just massive shift in who he is.

I hope so. He put that jacket on and played rugby. in Auckland and was just like, and became Dark Sam. I hope he confesses his love once again, the Jen. I'm no longer a love virgin because I still am in love with you, Jen. And I would like to take this opportunity. Oh, he'll say that.

What if he gets down on one knee is like, shoot him a shot one more time? Oh, God. No, he's absolutely going to say, no longer a love virgin, you'll always be my first. Oh, that's really fucking funny. I'm going to say that. The other prop that I want to put out here,

and you might see it coming. Do we get a trust the process or maintain the main thing out of Sam tonight? I think he has enough sense to do it, but in like a joking way, or they're going to call it out specifically. Where they make fun of him for it. Like they do a montage of the game.

Somebody else in the crowd is going to do it, and then he's going to, somebody's going to ask him about it. I don't know if there's a panel. I guess it's just Jesse Palmer. Jesse Palmer's going to ask him something, and then he's going to be able to. like, you know me, I just be keeping the main thing, the main thing, man. Yeah, the accent and kicks out.

Yeah, but I should be keeping. I'd be keeping it. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. I'm from Charleston. Well, we'll see what happens tonight. Tomorrow. I'm excited.

I'm actually going to watch this one live. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be interesting to watch the tell. I'm excited. It's going to be a lot of fun to break down. Yeah, so make sure that you tune in tonight once again for our guest tomorrow. This is confusing. I'm confused.

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So we got a lot to look forward to. We have busy fall and winter. Which I appreciate because it gets a little, you know, northeast in the winter is not the best place to be. But we got the birds coming up soon. So we'll keep it hot in the studio. Yeah, the studio bro is always hot. Brob bros are out of here. Later.

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