Bros & Shows - Don’t Gaslight the Gaslighter- RHOBH S12E3

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to episode three of Brav Bros. Your favorite dude podcast for everybody, for whoever wants...

to listen. I am your host, Steele Russell, joined, as always, by Shooter. Shooter, how are we doing tonight? Happy to be here and really getting comfortable in this seat, really enjoying my stay with the Brob Bros. It's been a fun time. Yeah, it's really starting to feel like an actual studio, not my sunroom. I guess we should intro with our thank you's really, you know, we had another really cool week. We had a ton of listeners. Our episode one listens are up to like 108 the last I checked, which is insane. People are still continually listening to it.

They're starting to catch on. The brav bros are catching up. Everyone's starting to hear about it. It's pretty exciting. And, you know, just thank you guys. Whoever is listening to this, whoever's giving these two idiots their ears for like an hour. We're super appreciative.

So thank you. We got Dubai coming out, which there's an exciting prospect about Dubai. Okay. Think about it this way. We're new to the Bravo world. Dubai is new to the Bravo world. We could be the foremost experts on Dubai. We could kind of ride the Dubai wave.

How do you feel about that? Yeah, you might be cynically thinking that we had a reason to do this when we did this. But honestly, I had no idea the Dubai was even coming out. So this coinciding with the beginning of our podcast is great. We get in on the ground floor. You know, a lot of the stuff that I personally have issues with, you know, here as well as outside of this and talking to my girlfriend is, yeah, I didn't watch season two of Beverly Hills. I didn't watch, you know, the first couple seasons of Jersey. So there are some little nuances, some references that come through that may fall deaf on my ears, but that's not going to happen with Dubai.

We're getting in there, ground level, and we're going to make sure that we cover it all. We're getting fresh tea. we're getting the freshest of the tea and i'm thrilled because the only thing i mean there's a couple of repeats um a couple of people that have showed back up in some of the trailers we got caroline stanberry who i guess was in ladies of london which is something that i've just recently watched because dev my wife is um i'm going to do that every time is rewatching the show i didn't even know that was a show but caroline stanberry I guess was the like, according to Devin, the HBIC, the head bitch in charge of ladies of London.

And then she got divorced. She left the show. She ended up moving to Dubai and marrying some like 22 year old like smoke show, dude and is now like living that life. So I guess she's back. You get a quick Fadra appearance from Atlanta. I don't know much about Fadra. That was before my era. But there's a lot of tea on that.

There's a lot going on there. I need to stop saying T, but there's a lot happening there. Yeah, there are some connections with, you know, through Atlanta and then through even some people who aren't in the show, with Fajara being connected to T.I.'s wife, Tiny. And there's a couple of allegations that came through with that. Maybe not legal allegations. I have a theory. Some rumors, what do you have?

I have a theory that connects them to T.I. So hear me out. So do you remember, T.I. had allegations come out against him and his wife, his wife, that they were drugging people and they had a sex dungeon. I don't know if they said that they had a sex. I think the sex dungeon was reference to Housewives of Atlanta. But T.I. and his wife were definitely accused of drugging people and maybe pushing into, you know, sexual assault territory, things like that. Like, yeah, like horrible, horrible things. And so apparently Fadra was either she left the show or she was asked to leave the show

or was told to leave the show because she made the same allegations against Candy. And Candy was in a band with T.I's wife. And that band was weirdly named Escape, Escape. Escape. Excape. X-S-C-A-P-E. And look, we might be completely wrong. on this. I don't know how much of Atlanta you've watched. I was actually pretty delighted and not

just because of doing this show or really getting into Housewives. I honestly had Atlanta on in the background. My girlfriend was watching it. And it was extremely tolerable, which is way more than I can say about some of the other first Housewives shows that I've watched. It was a good, there was a good plot. There was a good connection to the characters. They're funny. The House husbands, if you will because all of the housewives in Atlanta have their own lucrative investments and companies that they're going through. And the house husbands just kind of, you know, they have their little sidegicks. They buy some properties here and there. They try to, you know, tune them up and get them back out. They're not really doing a whole lot, whereas you kind of see in the other housewife shows

that behind the scenes, the husbands are the ones who are making a ton of money. You have your outliers, of course, who are the women that are making a lot of money. But this is a completely different perspective. And I really enjoyed it. It wasn't a bunch of people just yelling. at each other and accusing people of things. It was very real and very like up front and it was kind of cool to watch. Yeah, I've actually just recently gotten into Atlanta. I've heard for years that it's like, or I guess two years, my Bravo career, that it's one of the better franchises.

And I've been caught up in the other like Potomac's my favorite by far. Like I could watch that over over. I'm excited to get in Potomac. I haven't. You haven't? No. Oh my God. I'm going to have to do a full.

like refresher before it comes out they that cast of characters i mean is is incredible like their their husbands are like a whole storyline in themselves like all the shit that they have going on all the stupid shit that they do and then the wives all have shit going on and like they're ruthless and like they pull no punches like it's such a fun franchise to watch and like i'm i can't wait to cover that one like that's probably what i'm most excited for yeah that'll be a good one. And it does kind of, like, essentially what we'll do is, you know, Bravo has it tightly packaged where you have a housewife show coming out. And then when that one ends, you've got another one picking up, but there are some overlap with some other shows. So we'll probably have, you know, at the end of Beverly Hills, maybe you're on the reunion. We'll get, I think Southern Charms going to come in in the early stages of their season. We'll still have Dubai on. And then that'll lead into Potomac. I don't know if my scheduling is entirely correct. But I think, you know, I ideally for this show, and we're obviously open suggestions from you guys, because you guys want to hear listening to us. We love suggestions.

You don't have to wait for a question to pop up on the Instagram. Just DM us and just, yeah, shoot it our way. You're spending way too much time on this. Why don't you talk about this? Yeah, we want to hear about this. Shoot it our way. Yeah, there you go. Shooter it our way.

Send it on over. But I think what we'll probably do is we'll go, you know, the meat and potatoes, the main course of these couple of episodes are obviously going to be Beverly. Hills. And then Potomac's going to be the replacement for that. Yeah, I think that's where we're going to pick up next probably our main topics of the show. But we'll always, I guess the beginning's always going to be what's hip and hot right now in the Bravo world. Again, like kind of a slower week in the Bravo world. So what I wanted to do, and this could be a total disaster, but we need taglines. In my opinion, as brav bros, as members of the Bravo universe now in our own minds, we need taglines. Every housewife has a tagline. So instead

of telling Shooter this previously and giving them time to work on it, I thought it would be much funnier if we play the intro and you have to freestyle your time. You're tagline and we will continue to freestyle until we figure out what our taglines are go back and forth you'll try one and then I'll try one I have one that like came to the top of my head immediately and I really hoping I go one for one here because I'm definitely not creative enough to put something together let alone a coherent sentence I'm doing a great job here but you're flowing right now doing this and then having to try to think of something creative like a tagline I have one in my mind I hope it works

and then I can kind of take a seat back and just watch the steel try to tread water for a little while. I have some that immediately popped, and it's kind of unfair because I had this idea, so, like, I was pondering a little bit. But, like, I came up with general topics, I think, but the action, there's only one tagline that I, like, instantly thought of, but I think it's too easy and I don't think it's, like, fun enough. We'll get there. But mine are more, like, topic focused. I just need to, like, you know, fine-tune it, if you will. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think they're all pretty generalized, like.

Well, yeah, I mean, you could say whatever, but, like, the ones that stand out are the ones that people remember. Like, we can go through some of those. But, like, you can't say, like, I'm the realest bitch in Lafayette Hill. I might be the realest bitch in Lafayette Hill. I hope that was one of yours. I, that could be it. I could be done. I might be the realest bitch in Lafayette Hill.

Bam. Yeah, easy. well i'll try it against the music but i got it queued up um we're going to give it our best shot i'll let you i'll let you listen to it for a little bit so you kind of like know what we're getting into hold on one sec let me let me do this and i'm using my uh my daughter's frozen headphones because that's all we have yeah plug into computers everything's bluetooth here we go so that's that's what we're working with okay i got it I feel like I'm in the studio, like, hearing a beat for the first time. I'm going to lay down some tracks. You're going to lay down some tracks. You need to hear it again? No.

No, I got it. You need to hear it again? All right. All right. Are you ready? Yep. All right, here we go. Here we go.

Here we go. You try to gaslight the gaslighter. You're going to end up on E. On E? It works so many different ways. You're off of Bravo. You're going to go over to. E.

Nobody wants to feel a fucking E. That's not bad. It's a dead channel. If you try to gaslight the gaslighter, you're going to end up on E? Yeah, I'm the gaslighter. I know that. You try to gaslight me. Anybody that knows you knows that.

Yeah, it's not going to work. That's good. I'm not going to lie. And I mean, no disrespect. I didn't have that high of hopes. Do you think I did? I mean, you told me and I'm like, I don't know. I was thinking of the dumbest shit that I could possibly say.

And then during the episode, somebody said gaslight. And I was like, that's my angle. Yeah, there was an angle there. Wow. Good job. Yeah, one and done. Good job. All right.

All right. Now, you have to hold the headphones at our super official studio. Hold on. You're hooked. There we go. Okay. Now, mine sucks now. Yep.

All right, we're going to have to go. I'm going to have to go back. You did call it. I was going to have to tread. You were that confident. You were silently. confident. Wow, I feel gaslit.

Staying true to form. Okay, okay, okay. Ready? Yep. If you can't stand the heat, get out of my kitchen. Yeah, that works. That's like generalized enough. Right.

It's not specific to a situation. It's not even specific to you. Well, I'm a private chef. So it works It definitely works Okay, okay I think you got a few more I'm just going

Yeah You're gonna have to go again You're gonna have to go again I'll give you some time Okay Oh yeah snake trap Both Okay

Give me like two seconds To think about it All right All right Yeah The topic I have I mean it's baseball It's got to be something baseball

Yeah But I struggle You try to throw me a curve ball I'm gonna hit it out of the park That's that's good Yeah That seems obvious but that's good there's it's funny because like there's there's definitely like certain words that

you have to like enunciate a little harder like the way that they like construct their sentences and i'm not saying that they put a lot of energy into these taglines or if they're just created by somebody else they might yeah they could just be handed off to them they may not they don't have to go through this process of tagline freestyle which by the way when we have guests on in the future if this works they will be doing tagline freestyle they have to Yeah, that's going to be like one of our trademarks of the show. And we'll have guests soon, actually. We're looking into that.

I need to figure out how to hook up a third microphone. Well, that's fine. But we're getting there. Well, then I'll give you a little bit of time to think. This has been helpful. Yeah, the other thing that we will have to get into the summer is Southern Charm. And I know that you know, you said earlier that you haven't really watched a lot of Southern Charm. You haven't really gotten into it.

how it's been kind of portrayed to me and I've watched probably about I think two two and a half seasons I've watched almost as much southern charm as I've watched summer house but I watched two episodes and found them so insufferable that I boycotted it's it's a little better because it's not just like you don't get just their weekend you don't get like I guess kind of like the housewives you kind of get like their midweek updates whatever but you get to see a little bit of more of their day-to-day lives where like what they do for a living how their businesses are going and they're not just like boutique businesses like Craig Craig makes uh pillows yeah he isn't he knits he knits I knew that it was funny because because he failed the bar yes so when he first I know I know things I just I just don't watch it it but it gives you kind of a little more insight into their actual lives not just like you know summer house all right we're here on the weekends we're going to talk a little bit about work because we have to. And their work is, you know, they're selling lover boy or pages doing like outfits or whatever.

But it's not on like Good Morning America or something. I mean, that's not small. Yeah. Or entertainment weekly. Entertainment weekly. Yeah. But I feel like a lot of their and a lot of other housewives or whoever, a lot of their occupations are like entertainment centric. Yeah.

So or fashion centric for that. Hey, Kyle. Yeah, exactly. Kyle open up a store. Yeah. I own a new store. Kyle and Chehita. But like these are a little more like actual jobs, like things that you think of in like a day-to-day life.

Like owning an actually like a company that ships or manufactures and, you know, does like actual selling of goods and things like that. So it is a little more interesting. Yeah. I mean, you just belittled all the other housewife's jobs. But I mean, yeah, I see where you're going. I see what you're saying. Yeah. It's.

Except for Atlanta. Again, Atlanta's an outlier there because they, their jobs are great. I mean, they are self-made women for the most part, and they've put together their own empires, and that's great. Oh, I got one. All right, here we go. I got one. I got one.

Cue the music. Here we go. Tagline pre-style. I'm going to cut that out. Here we go. Oh, I got to wait for it to come back around. I may have played in the minor leagues, but I'm living in the bigs. That's good.

That's good. Yeah. that might be it yeah i think that that could definitely work we don't want to exhaust too many lines because we're going to have to come up with more in the future when we have a guess we're going to have to we're not going to just make sure that they sit there and come up with their own that's going to be too tough right well we'll we'll help them out but now you've got to do one off the cuff oh yep you got to do one off the cuff i did that fair is fair do you need time yeah i definitely

I'll give you some time in, I want to touch on back to Southern Charm. We've got Paige coming into the picture now, who is coming off of a rough end of the season. You know, she had a tough, tough end of the year, summer house-wise or union-wise. You know, she definitely changed my opinion of her throughout the season. You being a Southern Charm guy, Prince Southern Charming, if you will. I'll take that. That's not bad. What's your thoughts?

Are we excited for Paige? Are we nervous about Paige? What's the deal? I mean, I'm not nervous about anything because at the end of the day it's... You fucking hard ass. At the end of the day, it's going to be good TV for the, I mean, I guess. Sometimes people are insufferable, but Page could borderline that for me. I just, we saw a snippet tonight where Paige was talking to someone else and she was like,

you guys might do that down there. But in New York, this is how we handle things. And it's like, oh, God, are you really going to like lean on the New York thing? I don't know where she's from, but I would bet that she's, if she's from New York, it's like upstate New York. You think she's a transplant in the city? Like, she's not, yeah, I don't think she's Manhattan born and bred. New York City is full of transplants as it is.

So, like, I'm not knocking that. And I also find that there's a certain type of. person that lives in New York, that is not from New York City, that leans on that same crutch. Like, well, in this city, like, oh, well, in New York, this is what we do. Like, yeah. Well, they call it the city, which is very annoying. That's true. They could be in Philadelphia and be like, yeah, I got it back in the city.

It's like, you're in a city. Yeah, this is a major city. Yeah. Arguably a much better city than New York. Go birds. Go birds. Thank you very much. Go birds.

What do you want out of this season of Southern Charm? I guess, like we obviously, I want to see the Craig. I will watch it for sure this season. I'm going to catch up on some older stuff. Just to be in the loop on like the Craig, Austin shit. I know that it's popped off because of his behavior at the summer house. Craig alluded to that on an episode of Watch What Happens Live. Like that shit gets really real in Southern Charm.

I think they're in the middle of filming, like more towards the end of it at that point. He was on there with, with Page. But I do think that Austin. gets called out for a lot of that shit so I'm excited to see him address it you know you claim that he's a different person on southern charm and I would like to say that I do find myself I err on the side of like oh they're trying to be better which is probably stupid because as housewives have shown us countless times like it's cyclical you know like one of them's a total asshole and then everyone blows up at them and then they have a come to jesus moment and then they're cool again

and then they kind of fade off in the background and then like three seasons later they off again and bam like it's a revolving door like we're on a merry go round so yeah it is it's very cyclical in that sense but yeah austin is a lot different on southern charm and i think you'll see that within one episode um because there are other characters that are i don't want to say like outshine him in a bad way but who's the one guy the one guy i was part of like a major ship you knew yeah you automatically knew yeah like he was one of the main reasons i stopped watching I found him to be just so snide and, like, he comes from family money, right? Like old school, like, Charleston money.

That's, like, kind of the basis for a lot of them, too. But, you know, Shep, you kind of have to, and I don't have any problems with Shep at all. I like him a lot. Not in the sense of, like, he's good TV. I just think I kind of like him as a dude. And. That tracks. Yeah.

I don't know. Boo. well apparently this year he's he causes a little more problems so I might have a chance of yeah okay well I look forward to that because I I don't know the show again I'm going to catch up on it so I can provide our listeners with the best listening experience possible and I will research it but from the small taste of Southern charm that I got not a Shep fan not on the Shep train so we'll see if he turns me a little bit but I'm excited I am excited to into a new show because I, admittedly, regardless of what the show is, if I have something

against it, like Summer House, I wasn't big on until, like, I sat down and watched through it, and I was like, oh, okay, I get it. So I'm sure that I will follow in love with it, and I'm sure it will become part of my, like, arsenal of shows that I watch. But for the time being, I do need to do my research. So, yeah, and that's fair. But I feel like a lot of these shows, at least as braw bros when we sit down that first time and we touched on this at the beginning of the podcast when you sit down

you don't really like what you're watching at all no that's the basis of it right yeah and that's there are obviously you know some actual like written shows draw you in right away yeah these you kind of have to get to know yeah you get to know people's tendencies you get to know what's going to piss them off and what's going to you know break them

yeah you really have to be in tune with the nuances to like fully appreciate it for what it is yeah so you got it takes time it it does take time but I'm sure I'll get into it um all right that's enough time yeah I need I need I need it I need it all right I really hoping for the one and done but nope I mean yeah you were one and done I will say that was a tremendous tagline like right out of the gate thank you but we need one off the cuff all right okay let me get it queued up here super official ready You may think it's a nickname, but when it comes to... Okay, okay, okay.

Here we go, let's try it again. I like the intro. I like the start. You're on to something, you're ready? Yeah. Okay, here we go. Here we go. You may think it's a nickname, but when it comes to arguing, I'm a straight shooter.

Oh, that's a good one, too? I don't think that's definitely not as good as the first one. No, but it's... I like it. Yeah. Yeah, okay. again plus i mean you had plenty of time to think about it but but it was it was good yeah i always feel a little dirty as like a 31 year old guy narp if you will a narp yeah non-athletic regular person oh

yeah yeah like kind of leaning into that shooter thing is uh it always makes me feel a little dirty but i mean but that's that's who you are yeah you are shooter magouter the one and only let's not forget it all right well we wrapped up the taglines i i think that went great i was skeptical you were extremely skeptical but i think it went well yeah as far as a bit i i like it going forward and now knowing what it is oh are you confused at the premise do you think we're going to like freestyle rap too we can do that too i'm down no no no i don't think anybody wants to hear that no no probably not but i do we're not going to do it don't worry don't worry don't worry um

Um, but we will get into, let's get into it. It's time. We had, um, nothing insane popped off tonight on Housewives, but, I mean, it was a good episode. There was a lot of ground being laid, I think, for some really good battles in the future. Like, I think there's some, some different factions that are starting to break off. I think we're starting to see what the teams are. And I'm liking it. I'm surprised.

I didn't know that there was a Diana Crystal connection. like that deep and then she later said that she was her bodyguard we'll wait for that but i was i was taken aback by that but it seems to be sutton or sorry that's not true it seems to be diana crystal and garcel right i think garcel kind of she straddles the two groups at least the two main factions because she's constantly the one who gives people a voice she does she will step in and like she's constantly the voice of reason and i don't even know if it's a voice of reason necessarily she's almost like a microphone where it's like it's her turn well she can notice yeah because i mean in this group of women they like constantly and we'll get into this later but like

they constantly you know talk over each other and they're all talking about their own thing they're not like when they group up they're grouping up but garcel can step in and say look that's not what she was saying when someone like crystal or Sutton or Erica even is just trying to kind of talk about something somebody will misinterpret it and then they run a mile and then two or three of them will run behind her yeah so it's a little tough to argue in this group at all especially I mean they get paired up against like the OGs like that's the the original crew seems to always lean on each other yeah versus whomever they're up against yeah renna Erica um Dorit Kyle like that they always, even if they disagree, they seemingly like work it out without saying

anything. So then all of a sudden they're all on the same page in an argument instantaneously. Yeah. And it definitely took a while for the four of them to build enough trust and like friendship between them that they feel comfortable kind of backing each other constantly. But at this point, that's really all they're doing where if you piss one of them off or if you say something insensitive to one of them the other three will quickly come back at you they'll come back at you without even letting the person that you insulted get a word in like they will speak for that person and not only that they'll tell you how that person is feeling which actually kind of validates some of the shit that crystal's saying and we're jumping the gun here but um yeah and we can we can kind

of like we'll rain it in a little bit because we don't want to get ahead of ourselves right right we'll get through the whole thing we'll uh you know we'll jump into it it it seems like where obviously, you know, the Dorit storyline is still playing out. As we knew it would. Like we got it to give it its fair amount of time. Sure. It's less than two weeks since it happened.

So we're still going to kind of lead the episode with that. Yeah. How's Dorit feeling? And they let off with the, you know, Kyle's opening her store. Kyle and Chahita open up their fashion store. And they're talking about how she had to close a bunch because of the pandemic. And they won't. to one more brick and mortar blah blah blah um and then we get to the voicemail from durit which

you know i i want to tread lightly on this topic because of the obvious but like i am going to point out some inconsistencies and like i want to point them out and some consistencies there are some consistency dating back to what 2018 when kyle's house is broken into oh yeah that was interesting i'm getting there i'm getting there yeah um the voicemail from derate which which she conveniently leaves the room. And that might just be a coincidence. And they're like, oh, we'll use this time to play the voicemail. But I just thought that it was like she knew she left the voicemail.

She knew she had to give them time to discuss it. And like, she just pops out of the room real quick. And they're like, oh, let's play it. Let's play it. I might be nitpicking, probably am. But like, that caught my eye. Fast forward a little bit. Kyle's going through her situation in 2018 when she was robbed.

Yeah, I think she was talking about it on every year. Union. Yeah, what did they steal first? Or what did she say that they stole? Ready for the handbags. Handbags. She did eventually say, and then they got everything else. And the only thing that wasn't stolen from me were the things that were on my body. But it did seem peculiar. Emphasis on the purses.

And maybe someone that's listening to this can point out why. Yeah, if you can prove me wrong, or like, if you have evidence supporting that, this is all on the up and up like I'm here for it I will listen I am unbiased I have nothing I've never had anything against Doreen like I don't I think she's good for the show I think that she's you know fashionable yeah like she's great like I don't ever like really have any kind of opinion about her she's just part of the crew but like well the thing with the handbags and and maybe this is what we're not necessarily overlooking but we're probably not giving as much attention to or at least much emphasis is handbags versus jewelry

handbags will appreciate in value so they actually are worth a lot more a couple years later I learned that tonight jewelry from the most part I mean their their jewelry is going to hold its value that's what you always talk about jewelry and diamonds and things unless there's a shortage somewhere it's holding its value and that's what you hope for a lot of the jewelry that we see in like a day to day a mineral market lesson nice yeah and a lot of the jewelry that we see day to day is you know you're hoping that it holds its value whereas handbags that they have they are you know time pieces and classic things and things that are no longer in production you can't get your hands on unless you get one second hand and if they keep them right

obviously they're going to appreciate value and be worth much more especially in a secondary market or black market or you know I don't know if there's a level below I don't want to say that there's handbags the dark web yeah the dark web the dark web of handbags yeah i mean they're not going to canal street but they're being resold for a lot of money philly reference yeah so yeah that being said i i think maybe that's just that's probably the main thing and that's probably the end all be on that's why i don't know i don't really caring too much but who knows i mean you know let's just get into it then like there's a bunch of other stuff that like doesn't add up all right There's something coming out about the police report, and I haven't read the actual police report.

I've read articles around it and stuff like that. I have done some research, so I'm not just like throwing random shit out here. But there was not a mention of armed robbery in the police report. Now, could that be in the moment she was so traumatized? She didn't report it that way? Totally. Like, obviously, there's different factors of play here, and I respect that. But the big one that I can't get away from.

from P.K. I guess, invested in a casino. Okay. So he garnered his wages until the debt that he owed was paid off. He took out a loan to become an investor, whatever. But I thought that there were ties back to his other investors. And that's what made me, when we had talked about this off air, think, does P.K. have a gambling problem because he maybe he took out a little extra insurance a little extra something for himself to spend to the casino and then lost it all and that's what he's paying back that's what I think could be if he got a little something up front or said you know I'm

I'm going to invest five million dollars in this but I'm going to keep 20% a full mill for myself to mess with to try to win his debt money back in the night yeah I mean I mean it's sound logic i get it it's definitely sound logic i mean it makes sense to me yeah well you put a million dollars on the craps table and then you get snake eyes nobody likes that well no but like i mean what are the odds of that happening i don't know i don't really want to do probability math right now but we've we've tried math on this show is an absolute yeah disaster i'm not touching that again so back to what i was getting into he between 2015 and 2018 he paid off a total amount of $875,000 of that debt.

All right. Then nothing from 2019 to 2021. Dorit, P.K. robbed October of 2021. P.K. pays off a lump sum of the remaining debt of $2.7 million. Yeah. Granted, he's got a tax lien against him for over six figures. Derrete's got one as well for like 90K, I guess. You know, there's just a lot of things.

It's starting to the bathwater spilling out a little bit in my mind. Like, there's stuff coming out. It's not totally clean. Like, there's just some question marks. In a situation like this, it's not exactly like you're atypical gas leak in a building when you want a new building and you get the insurance fraud. It's not something like that. Like, when there's what we're suggesting is potentially a staged burglary.

Yeah. But then I read something. interesting. This was a comment and I'm sure it has no merit whatsoever, but I'm under the assumption that if stuff is weird, that it's both of them, okay? Like that it's a PK, Dorit combined effort. Like, okay, we need some cash. Like, let's figure this out. One thing that I read from this comment was maybe PK staged it, didn't tell Dorit to get her real reaction out of her, but he knew the whole time. I'm assuming that the person that wrote this comment

Moonlights as a screenwriter and sends some scripts to various production agencies. More than likely. Yeah. More than likely. And again, holds no merit.

Doesn't mean anything. Interesting take. Yeah, definitely an interesting take. I will say P.K., his emotions genuinely seem genuine. Yeah, I think he does. And, I mean, one, he wasn't there, so he doesn't have the emotional scarring that Doreet has.

And two, obviously, He's just kind of being there for his wife. He's not really talking too much about, you know, what was taken or anything like that that you might normally do when somebody steals your things. Right. He's only focusing on three, which one, makes him a good husband. Two, looks good on TV. Looks great on TV.

And I don't know. I think either both of them are on, or behind the scenes on this one, or everything's on the up and up. I don't see it going. It's not a solo effort? No. On either one's part. Okay. I mean, I thought it was an interesting take.

Again, it was a random comment. So who the hell knows? We started the episode off with Sutton on a vacation, which I was thrilled. It wasn't vacation. She was in Austin doing business deals. Okay, whatever. She was not there. And I was happy.

I was like, oh, my God, like a Sutton free episode? Like, come on. This is great. And of course, no, we get to wherever, I don't know, where Kyle was opening up her stores in the desert. La Quinta. La Quinta? Oh, I thought that was just the name of the resort

because it's like the Lakeita Hotel. It's also the area that they're in. Oh, okay. So they're in Laquinta until proven otherwise. There's a really cool golf course down there. All right. You know your shit. I think Kyle lives on it.

I was going to look it up. She lives on a golf course. Yes. That was her second home in the desert. Yeah, you saw Bambi out of it. Which, by the way, Bambi. I want to throw this out there.

I love that Bravo. uses, like, names, and brings them on to the screen and shows you Bambi. The dogs? Kyle's dog. River, Kyle's dog. You want to get to know the animals. Yeah. Why?

Because they stole the show and the steak. They did. They were great. No, they were great. I just didn't know you were, like, invested in there. Oh, yeah. I love it when an animal gets a little spotlight. People are going to think I don't like dogs now. I love dogs, by the way. That was a, I shouldn't have taken a stance against it. Yeah, I'm thrilled.

So, yay. Bambi, I will say, I gave me a little lodgeda. I loved Bambi. Bambi was super cute, but, like, if you have dinner guests and you're eating steak on, like, a low sitting table or a low sitting couch, like, control the dogs. If a dog eats my steak off my plate, like, it's not cute and fun. Yeah. That's annoying.

Like, don't eat my steak. Like, that's mine. Get your dog under control. I think that's fair. The one dog's running across the table, like, it's a mayhem. They're super cute, but it's chaos. And Kyle's just, like, sitting off in the corner like, oh, they're terribly trained. It's like, oh, no shit, Kyle.

Yeah, we can see that. Yeah, the dog, there's paw prints on my plate from the dog walking across the table. Control your animals, please. Yeah, but we'll pick up where we left off with pretty much everybody just arriving in La Quinta and then, you know, obviously taking the moment to say that Doret didn't go with Kyle because she, She didn't sleep. P.K. called Kyle and let her know. She didn't get any sleep last night. They had her then have a driver, take her down and catch some sleep, whatever.

That's fine. Then everybody else is kind of arriving. And then you get the interesting piece that I thought was who stays in Kyle's house, who goes to the hotel. That was interesting. They spent a little bit of time on that. I think it was Garcel mentioning to her stylist or makeup artist that, you know, Kyle has a bedroom house and i'm staying at kiles i'm staying at the house oh there's only five bedrooms so who's going to stay where and then carcel just kind of like laughs it off but you can see

the formation of obviously the faction of erika durit lisa and kyle you know and then garsel gets put in there because carcel you know she might piss somebody off here and then but you kind of get what you get with garcel and i think all the housewives know that too and they respect it. So she's tagging along. I thought maybe they'd throw like Diana or something in there just so that they wouldn't have to put Diana in a resort because she's probably never stayed in a hotel room. Oh my God, dude. She brought a team with her. Yeah. Had a team go ahead. Oh, no, no. Yeah. She didn't bring them with her. She sent them ahead. And I speculate that they got there hours before to scope it out, put a couple cameras up, make sure everything was good, which when she

was explaining it, if I had that kind of money, I would do that too. So they could make it so that every room, every place that I stay, every place that I walk into, feels like home to me. But time out. Time out. She has them face the chairs so the backs are against the wall. Yeah, because she doesn't want to have her back to the door so that she can see whoever is walking in the front door.

Right. I think that's fair. Sure, it's fair. You don't know if her house was burglarized when she was 14 years old. Oh, here we go. Taking it back to Sutton and give me a break. like I'll get to Sutton but can I just would like to say with Diana and her team and your comment like with fuck it money you would I can't imagine inconveniencing people to the point where I'm like hey can you head to Lakinta before me and turn all of the chairs so that I can see the door like get the fuck out of here you can and like they're driving there and Crystal who I thought had a very relatable moment and I enjoyed it

was saying, have you been to the outlets? And Diana was flummoxed. I don't think Diana knows what the word outlets means. No, she genuinely didn't. She didn't say anything. No, she was very confused. And then I almost started laughing when Crystal started talking about like 30% off discounts because I knew from before the conversation started, like, Diana doesn't shop at discount stores.

Like Diana doesn't get discounts. And she very quickly proves that by saying, I've never, I don't go to stores. designers send me clothes, I pick what I like and send the rest back and pay for it. And it is kind of funny. And maybe you guys know this, maybe you don't. But tonight, Steele and I actually watched the episode together live. Yeah, watch party. And it was definitely difficult holding in things that I wanted to say.

Oh, I know. Moments that happened where I'm like, ooh, I've got something for this one. I had so much to say during it. And like just was sitting there either like jumping up and down at a, And the moment I actually jumped up and down, that did happen. I was wrong about what was happening on the screen. Yeah. Like literally biting my tongue because I was like, oh my God,

like I have a hot take for you and I can't say it because we've got to save it for the airwaves. Yeah. And one of those moments was that I think both of us kind of had the same idea was when Crystal was talking about that in the car of Diana. Was she just saying that to be relatable and kind of raise her stock? I think so, because she had like a $100,000 burkin bag, like, last season. Yeah, but I think it was her first season. She wanted to make an impression.

She's with these women who show the things that they've bought or whatever. And I think she was just making an impression last season. I honestly do think that if you are rich, you want to stay rich. I think she's just kind of, you know, money savvy and doesn't do the types of things, the lavish purchases that we usually see. No, and I can appreciate. I need some housewives with that lifestyle. I want to see that, like the Diana Jenkins of the world,

but I do appreciate one or two of them being relatable. Like, for me, I guess, like, it's important to have those moments, like when they're crushing in and out. Like, when they're on their way there, you know, earlier in the episode, um, Kyle seried a Jack in the Box, which I thought was awesome.

I was like, oh, yeah. Like, Kyle's a bra, bro, too. Like, I love jack in the box. And then fast forward, now they're cruising to the desert for Kyle's opening, and they need to stop it in and out. And I love that. I didn't care for how they ate. I thought that was too much.

Like, I'm going to be honest here. Like, I have a big pet peeve about watching and hearing people eat on television, like really truly, don't care for it. Yeah, I couldn't tell if, like, the editor put that in there, because I could tell, like, it seemed like the microphones were a little too close. Like, you could hear them crunching on fries. Yeah, like, I don't, I don't want to hear it. Like, I love that they're eating the In-N-Out burger, like, awesome. Don't want to hear it. No. And then they're eating, like, so I guess so they don't mess up their makeup, but it's just like, I don't want to watch

that. Yeah, it wasn't fun watching them try to eat fries, but I kind of juxtaposition to what we were saying about Crystal with her very relatable moment where she's like, I shop the outlets, I wait until things are 30% off and then I buy them. I think that it's funny because like they push over to Erica, or yeah, they push over to Erica sitting down, picking out her outfits, going through clothing and saying, you know, I'm used to I wear things once, maybe twice, maybe twice. Oh, this isn't relatable for me. No, no, not at all.

The complete opposite end of the spectrum. And she says, I usually wear them once, and then I'll sell them off, sell a couple pieces, and then buy some new shit. Right. And it's like, all right, that's cool. And she said, but I can't do that now because of the bankruptcy. And I'm like, what the hell does the bankruptcy have to do with you managing? Is it like litigation things? Like, it would look bad if she's like selling all of her shit that she maybe got.

I think she's already made herself look pretty bad. I don't think that this is nearly public enough for her to like behind the scenes sell off some clothing. She made herself look bad on the show. I don't know. We don't know how she performed in court. That's fair. Yeah. I mean,

I just think, you know, who cares if you put two or three dresses on the upscale version of Poshmark that I don't even know exists that I'm assuming it exists? I'm sure there's something. There's got to be a higher end retail app for rich people that we don't know about. Maybe I'll find it. We're not privy to that information. No.

Yeah. I'll go looking. I'll find it. But yeah, who cares if she does that and then gets a little bit of money back and then immediately buys new things? Like, those are things that she owns that aren't tied up in the bankruptcy. If it was tied up in the bankruptcy, then it would be locked away somewhere. She wouldn't be able to access it.

So I don't know. It just didn't really make any sense to me. I don't see why she's not. I think she's... Here's my argument real quick. I think that to counter that, why. that would look bad like you're assuming that she got those dresses because of the money that she had right and that money was got because of embezzling and stealing from people and if the allegations

are true then the dresses she'd be selling she'd be profiting off of that's true and i i don't really know this is where i like i don't know where where money law comes into play but you're not a big money law guy. No, no, I'm not really into like the monetary compliance, but it's thrilling. Maybe when she sells these off, and I'm just speaking, you know, theoretically, maybe when she sells these off, then the money is kind of out there and it can be used as evidence for something. That makes that. It's like that could be a thing. Like, depending on how much she made and then they, you know, you value something when you sell it. So maybe she valued it a lot lower too or higher depending on how insurance. Who the hell knows? But that could definitely be something. But it was just a kind

of a funny situation where I questioned it immediately. Like what the hell does that have to do with anything? Yeah. And like, oh, I guess I'll bite the bullet and wear it twice. Like, oh, God forbid, wo is me. Yeah. That being said, I mean, year of Erica Jane, she's making a comeback. She had some excellent moments in this episode. Earlier in the episode, they were starting to discuss the Sutton stuff again about what she said. said to Kyle and, like, being insensitive and her bizarre responses overall, Garcel cuts in, rightfully so. I was like, why don't we wait for something to get here? And this is where I think she's the voice of reason a little bit. She's like, let's, let's have her here to defend herself

so that she, she can talk so we can hear from her. We can get an answer. And that's, I feel like what Garcel does. She gives her a fair shake. Yeah, in which we need somebody doing that. Yeah. And I don't think it's it's not specific to Sutton either i mean and we see later it's with crystal but like or even the you know the lower end i feel like even if like kyle was in a situation which we never really find her in situations this season anyway yeah there was some shit the the end of the episode yeah but i feel like it doesn't matter who it is garcel's going to be like all right let's hear him out let's see what's going on yeah let's hear about let's get to the bottom of it from her perspective yeah which is great but then you know they all arrive well you missed the

Crystal Sutton conversation where Crystal asks her point blank, like, what happened? Yeah, and Crystal, oddly enough, Crystal and Sutton have gotten close from... Dodger games. Yeah, for sure. That was on Instagram, and Sutton even commented on, like, who knew, like baseball would bring people together? Yeah, I could have told you that. Like all Dodger fans, they probably showed up in like the sixth inning, caught, you know, an inning and a half and then left. And it was probably a World Series game.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, the worst fans in the country. Yeah, absolute worst fans And we heard it here, folks Yeah, way too much of them Yeah, way too much But that's when we get You know, moving forward

We get to Kyle's store They're doing the grand opening Which is cool, you know She has a brick and mortar shop again Post pandemic, good for her The sign is crooked And it drove me nuts

Yeah, that was one thing That was one thing that Steele didn't have any issues with saying over and over again. It wasn't like, we needed to save this for the podcast. He was like, it was bothering him. Yeah.

That's the first thing I noticed. I was like, oh, the sign's crooked. And then he could take his eyes off of it. Yeah, you thought I was nuts. And then low and behold, like three minutes later, you're like, oh, you know what? The sign is crooked.

The sign was crooked. But she did start off the whole showing of the store by saying there's a lot of things out of place. And I got to make sure everything's perfect. Yeah, but she's moving bags and doing things. That was a statement wall. Yeah. The wall was planned.

Like, there's no excuse for a crooked sign. That's lazy. That's a lazy contractor. I won't stand for it. My girl's trying to open up a shop. She's been on hard times for the pandemic. I say that loosely. She's doing fine.

Get the sign right, buddy. Well, the question is, is her clothing that great? Because Diana is walking through, looking at dresses, liked it. They're nice. They're nice. I could definitely see myself wearing this at home. At home. Like, I'm not going to go out in this.

This isn't Gucci. And she says later, like, you say mean things to people. It's like, that was a deep cut. Because that's her store. That's like, this is me. I'm putting my vision out into the world of what I think is fashionable and cool. And arguably the most up it, like, most uppest echelon is what I almost said.

Yeah. Well, I, most upper echelon woman there, Diana Jenkins, I would wear it at home. Yeah. And I think that we're in a safe space.

You can talk and create words if you want to. I'm fine with it. I don't enjoy it because I feel like I continue to do it. And our listeners are going to get the wrong idea. Well, I do think with Diana, specifically what we're seeing now is there's going to be something building in the future

where, off she's very oblivious to outlets she's oblivious to the way that other people live that don't live like she does she makes comments like that about kyle's clothing and then still sits there and says things to sutton that actually come back on diana like diana says things and she has no idea how they're taken she just thinks this is my life i'm diana this is how i talk and this is how i live so i don't really care how you live i i have no idea i don't yeah i don't know nor do i care to is the vibe i get it's like it's beneath her it's like this oh you live that way gross well it'll be funny to see how in the future if she makes one of those comments to somebody and they don't take it that

well i could see that totally once they get a little closer and they're kind of tired of the bullshit you know who will snap back at that is renna yeah renna will i thought you're going to say Erica. No, because I genuinely think that Erica's, I mean, we saw it at the opening. Like, she was putting in work. Oh, she's enamored by Diana. She wants to be tight with Diana. Like, she's putting in the effort.

She's talking about that Cartier ring that she's wearing. Which, by the way, did she buy a new Cartier ring just to show Diana? No, no, no. She already had that. That was Dorit's, I think. Oh, was Dorit's? Yeah, because I thought that was really. funny coming off the heels of not being able to buy new clothing.

Then she bust out of cardiac rain. She probably couldn't buy new clothing because she bought a new cardi a ring to impress Diana. Which, but she would. And like, yeah. Then she's talking Diana about the jade one, which is like all black.

And like, like I need to know somebody to get. Then she's like, I got it. I got it. Like, yeah, she probably called somebody.

She goes, let's order it now. Yeah. And then I'm thinking because she was paying for all of Crystal's purchases that night. Like that was her. Yeah, I couldn't.

know if that was like a running joke or no i think that was legit that seems legit and then because garcell tries to hop on that train and crystal was like whoa whoa yeah don't fuck this up don't yeah like this is a big this is big like shut the fuck up yeah and i think that the whole season we're going to see erika kind of airing on the side of diana like regardless of whether she believe she's right or wrong i think that she's always going to be on diana's side and this even goes back to like a watch what happens live episode when they're talking about Diana for the first time and this is obviously postseason and Erica is like oh Diana is great like she still has good things to say about her we know right then and there that we're not

going to see any no any budding of heads and that's why I thought that we were going to see an Erica Diana like two-headed monster but I don't know if that's going to happen now I do think that Eric is going to do her best to make that happen, I don't know if Diana's going to take the bait. And I'm curious to- Probably not. I think she's very oblivious and doesn't really care. See, I think nobody gets to that position that they're in being actually oblivious. I am convinced it's an act. Yeah, I don't think she's oblivious all the time. I don't think she ever is. I just think with people maybe that she recognizes as lower than her on the totem pole, that she's like, I really don't care.

I agree, but I don't think it's oblivious. I think it's more, that's a choice. She's making a choice, and she's putting on that front, and she's just, like, cooking it up in her brain. Like, she's ready to strike at all times. I think she saves it, saves it, saves it, and she puts out this act, knowing that they're not going to be ready for her when she's ready to take that stab.

And I'm excited to see if I'm right, because she says, you want the villain? I'll be your villain. Yeah, you might be right. Maybe she has methodical. I forgot about the villain comment, but I, we're sort of seeing eye to eye here, not necessarily how it happens, but at least the end game, which I think is maybe she just gets to this point where she's let her guard down so much about what she says, that she says some completely

off the wall shit. Maybe. Because she's so oblivious to what is going on around her. That could be true. I just, I don't think that you get to being that. prolific of a person being genuinely oblivious all the time. Yeah, yeah. That's just my take, but, I mean, it's going to be fun to watch regardless.

Getting back to the storyline, we have what I found to be a very insincere and half-ass apology from Sutton to what? I just don't think that it doesn't, she doesn't get enough credit for actually saying, I'm sorry. sorry. Whereas no one in the history of Bravo says the words, I'm sorry, unless they fully, fully, fully get back into a corner. Sutton, I thought, early in the episode, I thought maybe she's going to stand her ground, but find a way to make everybody believe that she's apologetic without actually fully apologizing and saying she was wrong about something, which she still hasn't been like, I never should have fucking said. No, she, I mean, to her credit, credit or credits do, she did say, like, that was wrong

of me. That was insincere to say that about having, like, I didn't have a gun held to my head. So, like, all right, credit where credits do there. Yeah, I mean, she is definitely, like, pushing very hard on the burglar ruin. She was 14. And that's my problem. Like, obviously those are two terrible traumatic events, but, like, keep it in perspective here. Like, you are taking the limelight, like, you literally...

literally said that you thought the best plan of action was no action. Like, oh, I just stayed out of it because when I was going through something, like, that's what I wanted. But I think she keeps taking it back to her problems. And if all of that shit with Dorit is 100% true, like, yeah, you have some really sad things that happened to in your past. Yeah, you deserve to be heard about it. But like, why now?

Like, just understand that Doreit's the main focus and stop making it about your problems. Like, you can have that bad moment, sure, and you can explain it away. Like, hey, I have this issue because of these things. I'm sorry. And then stop talking about it. Yeah. Like Doreet, like, have her moment where she can grieve through this process instead of constantly bringing it back to, well, this is why, this is why, this is why. Like, yeah, it's fucking sad.

I get it. Like, understandable, but not the time and place, I don't think. No, and I think that she, when it comes to Sutton, obviously she doesn't have a deft touch with any of this. But I don't know if she felt like she needed a reason to feel the way that she does where, like, when I actually, like, legitimately, like, resonated with what Sutton was saying was when she was saying, when I get uncomfortable in situations, sometimes I just say. shit that doesn't make any sense and it just doesn't work and it can be insensitive or it can make absolutely no sense. I was like, I get that like the uncomfortable laughing in a situation where you don't, you shouldn't definitely not be laughing. Or you say some things that you don't necessarily mean because you're in such a state of uncomfortability that you just don't want to

deal with it. So like I kind of, I did actually get that when she was saying that and then she apologized. So I did think that, like, she was able to actually sincerely apologize. DeRite said it felt genuine. I thought it looked genuine, sounded genuine. And then immediately after stabs Kyle in the back, literally. Yeah, I honestly, and again, I don't think there was any issue with that. I think that as friends, I think that's kind of funny. But they're not friends because immediately after they break the hug, she said, I do it to your face. And Sun's responses, I know who you are. Yeah, I think that's still fine. I think that's still two people who were fully acquainted with each other.

I think that's, this is how they address each other. I know who you are as implying, like, I know the real you, bitch. Like, back up. That's not fun. That's not friendly. They're not friends. Like, later on, as they're getting into it, like, they're not. And we can just fast forward there, like, right now.

Yeah, I mean, we already touched on the, uh, the dinner meal that was interrupted by the dogs. Yeah. So here we are. We're back with Bambi. Yeah. And, um. Bambi got a full meal in. I mean, steak and then went for the tuna tartara afterwards.

Yeah, like crushing. Yeah. By the way, also not healthy for your dog to be eating a steak like that in one bite. Again. I think Daisy's up there in the years. I think she deserves a good steak every once in a while. But no, Bambi ate the steak. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Oh, I was thinking. They're mine. One bite filet gone. Like, it's just like if you're going to allow your dog to eat steak, at least cut it. And don't let it eat off people's plates. Like, that's mean. Not mean, but it's just.

it's rude whatever this is not dog corner but i could go on for days um but we they are getting into it there we're back at bambi's um and andy's house back at bambi's house um and they are kind of tiptoeing around it and then garcel just flat out all right sudden jones talk about it like love it fucking incredible such a good moment to be fair i also don't think it's not like like there was any blindsiding going on here. No, I don't really think that she- It was like an obvious blind side. It's like, yeah, but I don't think that she took, and you might think that this could happen,

but I don't think that Garcel gave something any notice that we were going to do this. Like, hey, no, no, I agree. Like, yo, the girls had some bad things to say about you, and I'm going to give you the spotlight so that you can explain what's going on and hopefully clear the air. Yeah, I don't think she did that. I think she wanted it to be organic. She wanted to happen. love Garsell for that.

Yeah, it was great. And I think what we got into was where we're seeing the lines being drawn in the sand. Yeah, you start to see the factions. Yeah. And I mean, you know, maybe Sutton is still on the out with pretty much everyone. But they're always going to keep her included.

And I think she still has pretty good ties with Crystal at this point. She does, and she seems to get along with Garcell still. But then Diana fucking Jenkins, baby. she comes out and why she's great and this is playing into the oblivious factor is she does not have a filter nor cares and she says that Sutton is clumsy and weird with words and does things to hurt people to which Sutton replies and this is why I think that her apologies are bullshit she didn't say does things to hurt people she does she did does things that hurt people yeah okay to her people there yeah prepositional phrasing there's very

important. Objection sustained. Yeah, you're right. You're right. And I do believe in getting the wording right as to not start any fake fires. So yeah, she says that you do things that hurt people. And I guess that that's better than the intention's not there. Yeah. Yeah. So Sutton's response and why I think that she's full of shit is that I love to apologize. And I think that's her go-to move. She's like, oh, I know none of these chicks are going to apologize. So like, if I need to get out of a moment, I backed myself into a corner, I'm going to say sorry. I don't see, I don't think so because then Diana followed it up by saying, but I will give you this, you're always working on yourself and always trying to better yourself.

And it goes into- Oh yeah, Diana did like, was it too, like she rose and thorned her. Yeah. But it was, you can kind of see it too because, as I said earlier, with Sutton and Crystal, they've actually grown close because of the situation that happened last year where Sutton just walked in on Crystal. while she was getting changed. They grew closer because Sutton was able to apologize, tell her, you know, I didn't really mean anything by it. And on the car ride home, she said, I grew more as a person and with you because I was able

to hear how you were feeling and really try to understand where you were coming from instead of just dismissing you. Right. Which works with, you know, obviously she's playing Crystal against the others because she wants Crystal to be her friend in her corner. 100%. But at the same time, I do actually believe that. and if Sutton's saying, I love apologizing, I think that just means she likes apologizing

because she's always fucking doing stupid shit. Well, I mean, she's always doing stupid shit, so she's always apologizing. Right. And she's constantly like tiptoeing around everything until she finally apologizes. But I think she apologizes. And again, the things that she does and says are very good for the show. Well, you know, I guess as you said before, like she makes the show run. Like, okay, or people like that make the show run.

show run but then somehow this whole thing shifts right and crystal comes to sutton's defense and says this is where you really see the line drawn in the sand like oh this is the groups this year she says that you never take anybody else's account or anybody else's feelings into account and she's talking about all of the girls in the other side of the room she's talking about Erica. She's talking about Rina, Kyle, Dorit. And Dorit's response is, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, well, and they got too caught up in comparing Sutton and Crystal situation last year to Durit's situation this year. That's not at all what she was trying to do. Yeah, no, I know that. That the waters got muddied for sure. Yeah, and they were fixated so much on you can't compare the two, what the fuck are you talking about.

That's not what she's trying to do. All she's just trying to say is, Look, Sutton was emotionally handicapped in this situation. She's saying she was, but she still apologized, and that's cool. Crystal was emotionally handicapped last year. No one listened to her. They all told her that she was ridiculous, and saying that she was violated was, like, dramatic as hell. Yeah, they told her that she needed to say rude. And by doing so, I mean, yeah, they're invalidating her feelings.

And that was the argument was they don't take other people's feelings into account, which, you know, the whole thing is based on. I'm like, if they're feeling that way, and Garcell says it multiple times, like, if that's how she's feeling, that's how she's feeling. You can't tell her how she's feeling, which I agreed with all of that. Like, that made sense, obviously, to me, where you do see that. And the funny thing is, like, the instant that they somewhat understand, like, what they're trying to say, immediately, Kyle, and this is one of her flow, I did say that she did have some shortcomings. You know, I'm a Kyle Stan for life, but she does have her moments, like, She's so quick to be like, oh, my God, we do, we do, we do. And it's like, well, now you're not, like, you're almost patronizing at that point because that's not how you're going to show her that you give a fuck. Like, you need to actually put it in the effort to give a fuck. You can't hop up mid-argument and be like, oh, I get it now.

And, like, Dorit tried to do it too. And then Crystal, the vernacular that was used was bugging me. Like, you know, she was being, I do believe that she was being overdramatic. Like, I thought the word choice was horrible. And Dorit pointed that out. Like, this isn't a safe space for me. Like, well, yeah. And she just got robbed at gunpoint.

So, like, no spaces are safe at the moment. So, like, tread lightly with, like, the words you're being used here because you're upset that they're not understanding your feelings, making this an unsafe space. Like, Dorit's afraid she's going to die on safe space. Like, I, and that's what Kyle quickly calls her a millennial generation X, Y, Z. and I thought that was hysterical just because then she started to use words that we hear from millennials. We are millennials, by the way.

Mostly Gen Zee, we hear these words, but... Are they? Oh, we can get into that debate. No. I don't have enough time for that one, but... I don't have the energy. The ending of this interaction, Diana gets up,

and this is where we really see it. Diana's like, a bodyguard. I'm her bodyguard, and the bodyguard is leaving and Crystal hops up and Crystal goes with Diana Diana's got her back clearly like we yeah she didn't even have to say anything

during the exchange no and I don't think that she maybe this kind of goes back to what you're saying where she is like a little more calculated less oblivious to the things around her she didn't say a word for or against Crystal obviously she said something about Sutton

but then she kind of came back with something nice about Sutton so I think she's going to be more like these are my actions my actions are All right. Crystal's leaving. I'm leaving. That's a good friend. Great friend. Bodyguards here. Bodyguard's here. I got your bat. And I think she's setting it up. She's like, oh, I'm right or die. I'm a good guy. Like, I'm going to call you out.

But like, well, part of it, that could also be why Erica is being so nice in the voice of reason about Sutton or about a crystal, rather. Oh, is because she sees the connection to Diana. See, that's such an Erica Jane move. Here's Diana's hurt puppy, Crystal. I'm going to defend her. Maybe not defend her, but at least. I'm not going to go against her because I'm not going to go against Diana. She could be sitting back there.

There's a reason why she sat a little bit further back next to Diana. See how Diana's feeling about this. If Diana's not going to talk, I'm not going to talk. Interesting. The brab bros are agreeing on a lot tonight. Yep. That's interesting. It could be because we watched the episode together.

I wonder if that has something to do with it. I don't think so. Probably not. No. That about does it for the brav bros. I think that's all. Yeah. I think we got it all out.

Well, thank you guys. Once again for listening. Thank you for continuing to listen. Watching the listens kind of tick up is my new addiction. That's all I want to do is keep checking the numbers because they keep going up. And that's fucking awesome. So thank you guys. Keep on listening.

and we will be back next week with episode four. Episode four. Wow. Looking forward to it. All right. Obrose are out. Catch you guys next week. Bye.

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