Bros & Shows - Dorit and Kyle Can't Reconcile (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

What's up Bros? The RHOBH crew is still in Oceanside, and Dorit and Kyle are still hashing it out. Dorit is fed up with the same old same old from Kyle and is calling her out on how she treats people. Fans of the show have seen it for years, and we saw similar interactions with Sutton in the past, where one minor transgression leads to a prolonged ice out from Kyle. We are still trying to understand how Dorit has wronged Kyle so badly, but interestingly enough, Dorit has actual evidence and events to support her claims against Kyle and her behavior. Kyle is having an interesting year because on one hand, she is going through a whole lot at home and we sympathize. On the other hand, her weird issues with Dorit seem so misguided its hard to have too much sympathy for her. Garcelle continues to jump in on Kyle's behalf and look, we understand why Garcelle doesn't like Dorit, with her behavior last year, we get it. She doesn't have to like her. But the random pile on Dorit in ways like this just seem unnecessary. We would rather have more Garcelle getting involved in the season overall, and you could argue that for the past two seasons we havent gotten a whole lot from Garcelle and her storylines. The ladies take a yacht out for the day and Sutton is enamored by Captain Theo... On the boat Dorit and Kyle reach a common ground of both wanting to be able to move forward. As Dorit said... we are cautiously optimistic. Garcelle shares some fears with Kyle about her next phase in life, Kyle shares that sentiment and if you look across the board, all of these ladies have experienced or are experiencing some major life changes in the the past few years. Sutton gives a speech about sisterhood and connects with Dorit. But they quickly have a falling out on the sprinter van the following day when Sutton calls out Kyle and Erika for talking trash about Dorit, and amidst a massive misunderstanding throughout the whole group, Dorit and Sutton end up yelling at each other. It was chaos but it was a solid episode and we're curious to see where the group goes from here... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I guess talk to Steele. But, you know, for you guys, for your safe. Yeah, it's for you. I was actually looking forward to a week without seeing your face. Right. So I make sacrifices too. I know you're in England or whatever, and, like, you're taking away from vacation, but I'm taking away from, you know, me not having to talk to you, which is nice sometimes.

What about the other times? I want to talk to you most of the times. Just sometimes I need a break. Yeah. You get it. Like last week we needed a break. We did, what, eight episodes in, like, four days. Yeah, so it was a much needed, like, five-day breather of not having to talk to one.

And we still text every day, so it's not the same thing. but yeah like he said we wanted to make sure that we had enough content for you so we overloaded last week to get enough out this week but we want to stay on track as well because we don't want to back up all these shows then you're getting a week late drops whatever so we wanted to make sure we got at least one out while he's over there and we figured what better of a franchise to get out to the public than the most recent rob huh so we're here to talk a little beverly hills whilst shooter is it where are you right now i'm in london now i just got back from amsterdam this morning what's your address tell the people where you're at do

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But yeah, so you watched Beverly Hills. Did you watch it for the podcast? Or were you like, you know, I'm going to kick back on vacay and watch Little Housewives? I probably will end up watching Salt Lake because the people I'm staying with, my girlfriend's friends are up to date. They watch Hayu or Hayu over here. that's what the housewives of London or whatever that's what it's going to be on that's why we don't know if we're going to be able to cover it yeah so uh was a little concern that I wouldn't be able to watch it I would have had to get like some sort of VPN blocker which I don't know if that's legal so we might have to allegedly it's not

legal I don't know if that works but uh I don't know somebody told us to do that so we could watch hey you and watch the housewives of London they're like all you to do is get a VPN blocker I'm like oh okay cool I'll just hit the dark web yeah it sounds easy you got a purchase it. But no, they search it on Amazon Prime, and it just shows up. It's just a section of that. So it was actually really easy. And I watched that, got off the plane this morning, watched a little bit of

Rob Her, and eager to talk about it. Yeah, we're Rob here to talk about it. And you know what? I don't want to take away from your vacay. I want you to get back to your peep. So let's jump right into this episode. And it picks up where we left off last week with Kyle and

Doreet. And they're still going going back and forth, back and forth, the difference between the two arguments that we're getting. And we talked about it last week. Dorit has evidence. She has times that she's pointing to where it's like, this is where you've wronged me, this is where you've wronged me. And she's telling Kyle exactly what her playbook is. She's like, you're okay to make comments to me.

You're okay to make comments in confessionals. You're okay to make comments on Amazon Lives. Whatever you want to do, you're allowed to take Japs. if I make any comment about anything, whether it's in jest or not, I'm always held to the fire and always met with an ice out. And that's Kyle's move. We've seen it time and time again and we've seen it with Sutton before too. And I'm glad Sutton spoke up eventually. And there's been like, yeah, you know, I've actually been there before with Kyle as well. But Derich's just calling out the playbook over and over again and saying this has been our entire

friendship. She brings up another example of a fashion show. And this is how long Derreet's been sitting on this stuff. The fashion show was years ago. And she's like, in a confessional saying, oh, I got to save Kyle's show from her. Is it slightly shady? Yeah. Is it a joke? Yeah. Is it housewise? Yeah. So what are we doing? That resulted in a six month ban from being friends with Kyle. That's crazy. Yeah, that's absolutely insane. And I love that Kyle's take on this is, oh my God, how long have you been holding onto this? That was years ago. That was years ago. No, Kyle. That's just good examples. Those are. are examples. You made Doreet name them, if you will, if you want to take it from your other

co-star in the show. She named them. And it doesn't matter if she has to go back five, six, seven years and she didn't speak up back then because it wasn't piling on. And she maybe, she even made a comment when Kyle finally breaks down talking about, I lost my best friend two years ago, which honestly, I forgot about all that with everything that's been going on on the show and everything going on in their personal lives. So I am going to give Kyle a little bit of grace there. But we've seen this time and time and time again and oddly enough the person that i would have loved to have heard speak up on this would have been kathy because it seems like the richard sisters just do that they all do that how often do we hear that kyle and kathie aren't talking anymore

because kyle did something to kathy or said something in the press and kathy's not talking to kyle anymore so where do you think she learned it from her sisters they all do it and we've seen it happen time and time again so i'm not surprised by any of this what i was surprised by was Doreet continues to be succinct. She continues to have examples. She's well spoken in these moments. She's a bit of a breakdown later. She just really doesn't understand what's going on.

But I think she's just rattled. I'm going to give her a pass on that. But here, she continues to do the same thing that she's been doing this whole season, which is coming there, holding Kyle's feet to the fire, telling her exactly what's wrong, not being super long-winded, as we've seen Dorete do over and over and over again. She is telling Kyle exactly what the problem was. And Kyle doesn't seem to have an answer to any of this. And again, like you just said, I'm happy that Sutton stepped in because at least we have

somebody to corroborate that feeling and you need something like that because otherwise Kyle's just going to write it off, make excuses and say, well, that's how you feel. That's not how anybody else feels. But we have Sutton stepping in saying, hey, no, that happened to me. And it happens all the time. So I know exactly what she's talking about and it sucks. Yeah. And having Kyle confirm it because Sutton's like, that's what you do.

You punish people. She goes, I do. I'm a punisher. It's like, so you're aware of this behavior. You're aware of this. But she didn't admit it to Doreet, which was important. No, she admitted to Sutton. Yep.

Yeah, which is really frustrating. But what's even more frustrating and Dorete highlights that she's like, anytime that we do this, anytime I call you out or anytime, what your defense to me is that you were mad. And she's like, well, yeah, I was. And you can see in that moment, I think she's, like the walls breaking down a little bit. And that's Kyle's way of almost acknowledging, not fault, but being like, yeah, I do know that I do stuff like that. And it took Sutton pointing it out for her to kind of see through it for a second. But then you get half-assed apologies back and forth.

Kyle's like, you know what? I'm sorry if this and blah, blah, blah. And Doreet does pretty much the same thing. It's like, you know, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. And Kyle's like, that's what you always do. And you just cheapened your apology. You can't just say sorry. It's like, neither can you, though.

Like, are you not seeing the same behavior mirrored back at you? Because we see this time and time again. or there's an apology, you guys smooth things over, but we see it come back up six months to a year later, because in the past, what we've seen is Dorit give in. She doesn't want to be at odds with Kyle anymore. She wants to move on. She wants to be friends again. She misses her friendship and doesn't want to be in that place.

So she bends the knee and says, sorry, and just eats shit. She's not doing that anymore. She's standing up for herself. She's doing it well. Like you said, she's very succinct. this is not a Dorit we're used to seeing. She has yet to go and ramble on into a word salad. Everything she's saying is landing.

It's catching Kyle off guard. So Kyle's getting pissed off and she's defensive as she said to Sutton. That's what happens. I get defensive. That's my go-to. I ice out. So you're acknowledging all of these things. You get an apology.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. Again, you want apologies for stuff that Dorit's not necessarily sorry about. You got your feelings hurt because she made a joke at BravoCon. we've all seen the footage. That's not a reason to stay mad at somebody for that long. It's not a reason to keep going back to and harping on. So at the very least, you've got it. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

That's about the best you're going to get here because none of us think this warrants an apology just because you got your feelings hurt. And we would, in different light, say, okay, you do deserve an apology if you don't treat people the same way and say whatever the hell you want in confessionals, go on Amazon live and disparage your friendship with this woman who you've known and been friends with for such a long time. Now we're not sitting here judging what apology you're getting. Now we're sitting here going, okay, these guys can squash it.

But you continue to do the same shit over and over again, then ice people out. And then they put their foot down because they're finished with it. And now you take an issue and put it all back on them. And the worst thing that could have happened here is having Garcel come out of left field and corroborate and be like, hmm, that is what you do, Dorete. It's like, look, I. understand that the microaggressions from last year and that whole scene rubbed garcel the wrong way understandably so she had every right to get upset every right to not like durit anymore you don't

have to get along with her but this seems like a hail mary from the backfields to try to get into this fight to try to either stay relevant just throw durit under the bus just take advantage of kyle going after her or to show kyle like hey i'm on your team i don't understand the move from Garcel. She's yet to get involved this season in any way, shape, or form other than to jump on the let's fuck with Dorit Bandwagon. Again, I know you don't like her. You don't have to like her. Last year is a valid reason to not like somebody. But if you're going to make an effort to get involved this season, do it more than just these easy layups that you think are landing because they're not landing. Instead, it's like, Jesus, like it's played out. Yeah, do it more constructively.

Do something where you're going to add something else to the list of things that you actually have an issue with, with Doreet, or get involved and just say, you know what, Kyle's had a really tough couple of years. I think that it would be better to give her a little bit of grace if Kyle had gotten to the point where she had apologized for any of it. And I think that what she's doing here is, yes, she's admitting that sheizes people out, but she's not acknowledging the fact that it's not the same to ice somebody out as it is to ice them completely out and then also go on public platforms and say you were never friends with somebody. Like, that's just clearly not true. We've seen that. And that's very hurtful to Dorete because Doret's looking at it like,

oh, we were friends. You know, this might be how you are. You ice people out. You have issues with them and you don't want to talk to them and you just completely excommunicate them. Fine. Do that. And then you'll come back another six months later. But don't go on there and disparage our entire friendship and say, no, we were never friends in the first place. And I agree with everything that you said about Garcel with her issues towards Dorete. But you're not doing anything. There is nothing that you're doing here. And I used to be a huge Garcell fan. I can't point to you the last time that I looked at Garcel and said, wow, that was a really good episode. That was a really good scene from Garcel.

She's not doing anything. She's not reading anybody up and down. She's not getting involved in any of the drama constructively. She's not adding to anything. She's just kind of there. Half the time she's out producing movies, which is fine. Go ahead and do that. But it adds nothing to the show that we're watching here.

Everybody else is kind of stepping up. Even fucking Kathy's stepping up. She's hosting the first trip of the season. She's coming back in a bigger way. Garcel is a mainstay on this cast and she's not doing shit. And I don't need her to just step in just because she hates to read. You can hate to read all you want. But don't add to this because it doesn't do anything.

It doesn't further anything. You're just getting Kyle's back. And of course she's going to look at you and be like, thanks, Garcel, you have my back. What is that going to do for anybody else? Nothing. We're just going to look at you like, all right, we know you hate to read. This means nothing to us. No, I agree.

And it's gotten to the point, like you said, we were big Garcel fans. This was like pro Garcel podcast for a very long time. Watching her navigate this season has been disappointed. Yeah. It's awesome what she's doing with her career. I think that's amazing. I don't think you can take anything away from all the moves that she's making, and it's cool to watch her do that once or twice.

Now that you've been involved with the group for an extended period of time this season, we're on a trip, and you're really not mixing it up in any way, shape, or form other than to pick and choose moments to pick on Doreet. And again, we're not justifying that you need to like her. I think she gave you enough reasons for you to be like, fuck Doreet. That's fine.

But the two instances where you've decided, to try to get involved. One was when she was talking to Bose at the end of the table in a conversation that had nothing to do with anyone else. And you took an issue with that because you, quote, unquote, want to get to know Bose too. You're going to have your chance. That made no sense.

And here, when the conversation seems to be winding down a little bit, these two are clearly at odds. They're not going to come to terms tonight. That's okay. But as it's settling down, you decide to jump in and go, hmm, that's what Doret does. There's never a full apology. And then I'm thinking back into times that I've seen. Doreet apologize, at least to Kyle, I'm like, look, she apologizes sometimes when she doesn't

even really need to. I've seen Doreet apologize. Yes, there's sometimes it comes with a caveat, but there's other times that it doesn't. So I didn't really agree with that. That's not something that I've seen. The entire friendship that we've seen between Kyle and Doreet would not have continued for as long as it had if Doreet wasn't capable of apologizing because Kyle demands it if Doreet steps out of line. And the thing that that drives me crazier than anything, and we've seen it multiple times now in regards to this specific scenario, is something that Kyle does, and I think it's so grimy,

and I think it's such dirty pool and like a shitty way to play the game because she's not getting along with Doreet, because Doret has finally decided to put her foot in the ground, say I'm not putting up with this shit anymore. Everybody that's watched this show has seen the relationship, be one-sided year after year after year. This is nothing new to us. So we understand where Dorit is coming from for Kyle to get to a confessional

and say, this person across me from the table right now, like I came in here looking for resolution and she came into tonight looking for a fight. I don't recognize that person across me. I don't know who that is. It's like you cannot do that. You can't keep saying that you don't recognize a certain person because you're seeing a different side of them. If you're frequently having to use the defense, you said it about Sutton last year. Clearly, there's a common denominator here that's setting people off and showing you a side of them that you didn't know they had because you're so used to people just being agreeable, bending the knee, nodding their head because they don't want to piss off Kyle Richards and step on her toes.

So they just agree. Now you're getting people stand up for themselves because they're sick of it. The audience at home, we're sick of it. We are on Doreet's team because we've watched her get berated. by you for years. We've watched you be a bad friend for years. She's standing up for herself. That's why it's somebody you don't recognize because we're used to

Dorit the pushover. This is not her. She's holding you to the fire. She's making you be accountable. You're struggling to do that because you don't know which way is up right now. You're so caught off guard. And we watched it happen with Sutton last year. Dorit is much more polished in her approach than Sutton was last year.

That was a little messy, but the same defense was used. I don't recognize this person. I don't know who this is. there's a common denominator, Kyle. It's you. You're pushing people in your life to a certain level that you're then seeing a bad side of them that you haven't seen because they're no longer being your little puppet. And that's all it is.

I'm so glad we're getting to that point, but I'm so sick of that defense of I don't recognize this person. That's such a shitty that you're trying to paint them as crazy when in reality you just push them over the edge because you're a bad fucking friend. Yeah, I mean, it just says more about the fact that she expects people to just fall in with whatever her feelings are and when they don't she doesn't recognize them anymore and then you ice them out like that if that's your mo that's your mo everybody's now calling you out on it you have to look inward and say why am i like this but why me what did i do i don't know who am i

i i don't know but yeah it's just frustrating it's frustrating it's nothing new and i think that's the most frustrating part because the way that she's approaching it's like where's this coming from and all it was at home are like like shaking our heads right what are you fucking kidding me. But Doreet ends up leaving dinner early, which is probably for the best. And we get to the next morning. Everyone's kind of recapping. You get Sutton Garcell recapping, which I will point out, like, in this moment, Garcel is seemingly more neutral in just saying like, yeah, everyone's kind of at odds. Like, they're going different ways. So that is something I would have appreciated before, just recognizing that there's a lot of shit going on. And again, what? I mean, she's just

narrating at that point. I know at this point. He's still not adding anything to anything. You're just saying you're recapping by narrating what happens. It's like, all right, yeah, you're from a neutral party, but you're not showing us what your opinion is. Just calling it out doesn't do anything for me. No, I'm just saying it was nice to hear neutrality at least.

It would be better, yeah. But you get Erica Jane with Doreet, and obviously Erica has her experience with a rough divorce and a rough separation, watching Dorete go through this. She's a little bit nervous. Now, side step, real quick. Have you heard the rumors? Why people don't have time for Doreet in this stuff? Why?

Allegedly, people are saying that the PKK separation is just for the show. They're saying that the cast knows about it. And that's why they're a little bit short with Dorete and not as sympathetic. I don't know. I haven't seen enough evidence to corroborate that. I've seen enough evidence to, for my opinion to be that it's not, that part's not true. I think that their marriage is, I would say that their marriage is the sham, not the separation. I mean, we've seen PKB completely disconnected.

Yeah. I don't know. You know what? Let's do it this way. People that are coming up with those rumors aren't watching the show as intently as we are, because I haven't seen any evidence to the guy. Now, yeah, the insurance thing, the break in could have been a sham for sure. but allegedly the fact that the whole thing is fake maybe i i don't know maybe the action of the

separation could be for the show just to try to get her going but i mean their marriage sucks we can agree on that everybody yeah i mean we've seen it like and she's now they should probably be separated so they should and she's being more forthcoming like it's been years of this it's been a struggle it's like yeah we've been watching it but you painted it as oh my love you bubble Superber. Everything's great with my love weekends. So it's been confusing, but that to me and you was even more of a reason to be like, oh, something's wrong. Like no one talks about their marriage like this when it's actually good. This seems like it's like when it's that couple that always post like a picture together on Instagram followed by like a paragraph. It's like this person

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And it's awkward. It's clearly awkward, kind of with everybody. Yeah. But I will say the modes, the modes of transportation today were fantastic. Getting in those little cars were lovely. They were just like golf carts that were kind of tricked out to look like, like beach buggies. I was into those. Beech cruisers.

Beat, little beach cruisers. Yeah, getting on over there. Not a lot of conversation going on there. Pretty much still, it's just narration. Everybody's just recapping. Well, we get to learn that Kyle, or sorry, Kathy brushed her teeth with an eye shadow brush. which sure did. Yeah,

I needed Kyle to come over to add some lipstick and then I asked what shade it was, but whatever, it's Kathy. I'm not going to really read too far into that one. No. But no, yeah,

the modes of transportation were sick. You take those over to a nice, what, 90-foot yacht, I'm in. Yeah, absolutely. And they get on the boat and we see Theo,

Sutton stricken by Theo. He's got the biceps, I guess. Captain, Theo. He puts some respect on his name. Yeah, there you're right. You're right. Captain, Theo. Sutton's stricken by this man.

She walks up and goes, oh, my Theo, he can park his ship in my harbor. I was like, Jesus, I thought you were on the ballet. I thought you weren't allowed to say things like that, Sutton. Sutton Strachan. Am I right? Strachan? Yeah, she's stricken, whatever. Oh, she's stricken. Strachan.

I love that, actually. Took me a second, but, yeah. No, I will, I will co-sign that. All right, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're getting the spread ready. We got some skewers going up. Kathy's helping out with the cooking process, which, thank goodness, or we would probably have been able to get through dinner service, but I just think it's interesting. And I don't know,

I could be reading too far into it because, like, my Kyle radar is like off the charts right now. But this is kind of referring to how she talks about everybody, I think. It's always the little one-liners about Kathy. Like, she's walking away from the grill, like, oh, my God, it's so embarrassing. And then she goes on a confession about why Kathy's always embarrassing. And, like, we know Kathy's quirky and we know that she does weird shit. I just feel like Kyle always talks down about her every time she talks about her. And then she goes to that Gilligan's Island quote. And she's like, oh, I'm going to be trapped with these women forever.

Could you imagine? It's like, oh, what are you on the show for then if you hate everybody so much? Like, it's just always negative. And you hate your sister who you've had so many problems with them past. And look, I think both of us agree. Kathy does not watch the show when the show stops rapping. So she's not going to see any of those confessions. She might have somebody send them over and she can go through them and kind of just search

through. But yeah, she's not watching any of those. I just don't understand where Kyle gets off for any of this, especially with what she's going through. Like, yes, there are the people that go through these types of things that aren't going to seek out help because they feel uncomfortable. Kyle doesn't strike me like that. She needs help.

She needs somebody to lean on with all the shit going on in her life. And she's not seeking it, doesn't want it. And if somebody suggests it, she writes them off immediately and then insults them or confessional so it's like what what are you doing here who are you tribute to the fact that she like yeah she's going through we're not taking away from that you know like the fact that her friend did pass away and commit to us like i forgot about that too that's got to rattle you i'm not that's the hard part of this season that i think we have acknowledged multiple times is like on the one hand when you're talking about kyle and what she's been going through and what

she's trying to deal with there's a very captivating real sad story there she's trying to figure out her own sexuality amidst a potential divorce for the man she's been with for 20 years all of her kids are leaving the house she's trying to figure out where she fits into this new life i can sympathize with all of that that's difficult that's tough i don't wish that on anybody like she's trying to navigate a lot of crazy shit and put on top of that one of her closest friends is no longer here that's a lot of shit i am sympathetic when i hear that it's like man you're going through it but on the flip side it's tough to be that sympathetic because it's like well but you're treating everyone around you like shit and you can blame that on the fact that you're going through

a whole lot but at the same time it's not a free pass to be an asshole right and this has been recurring behavior and like when she brought it up at dinner to dera i'm like whoa yes your friend did pass away. Yes, that's really hard and traumatic. But if we're going to play the game of I'm going through a lot, look across the table. Dorit's going through it too. So I didn't think that was a great defense. And I don't think it's a good defense to continually

do the same behavior year in and year out. And then lean on. I'm going through a lot. Like those can be separate things. That's how we're approaching it because we do watch those scenes where it's like sad for Kyle. We're like, that's really sad, Kyle. We feel for you. And on the flip side, we see these scenes like, you're a fucking asshole. It's just

weird like it doesn't activate the audience at all either so and that's why there's such a huge outlash towards or a backlash rather towards kyle because while we all do feel the same way there's a huge group of people that have been watching the show forever that always claimed like we never got anything out of kyle she doesn't share anything from her life and now something's going on and you're like oh my god she's going to share everything about her life and she still doesn't and then she comes in and she still expects sympathy it's like well what do you want from us lady you completely wrote us off. You wrote off all of your friends.

You wrote off everybody on the show and just told them to stay out of it and just try to keep to yourself. But like, you're on a reality TV show. You need to share something. And then you come back and you're like, well, I don't care what anybody thinks. We would get behind you if you would share.

If you would just share the things going on and showed us how sad certain aspects of your life were, we would probably rally behind you and be like, you know what? She's having a really rough time. Let's just sit back and watch this because Doret and her friends and I want to see how they feel. And yeah, we can still take sides.

in that aspect, but we're not going to be so anti-Kyle if she were to share things about her life because we would have things to hold onto and say, so she can't have it both ways where she doesn't expect people to, like, not dislike her while she's sitting over there insulting everybody. It just doesn't make much sense. Yeah, it's a, it's a tough way to watch this season, honestly, because you want to feel bad for it, but then she's just such a dick to people. It's like, I really don't, but I want to because you're going, you are going through it. We can acknowledge that you are in fact going through a major life change, but that's not an excuse to be an asshole for two plus years. And it's been longer than that at this point. But we get to lunch

and Kyle and Doreet is brought up immediately by Sutton. And, you know, Doreet's feeling better. So like, I just need to get these things off my chest. I'm hurt. I'm angry, but I love you. Kyle says, I appreciate that. Kyle acknowledges we're both going through some really real shit. And it's very similar. And this is stupid. And that the irony of everything, according to to read is that Mo and P.K. are closer now than they've ever been. And these two are more at odds than they've ever been, which that is dumb. The lady should stick together. Like the fact that P.K. and Mo are out there like giggling and skipping around Beverly Hills, probably at all the bars. That's, that's annoying to me that those two are off scot-free and these two

are dealing with all the fallout. I don't like that. But there's apologies. I don't know how real they are. I believe that Doreet wants to make it right. I believe that she misses her friendship with Kyle. As far as Kyle's apology, I don't know. I'm on Dorete's side, I guess. I'm cautiously optimistic, but at the same time, I don't see this going well. I see this falling apart again at some point. But we'll see. But you get a little split scene between Kyle and Garcel and Sutton Dorete. On the Sutton Dorete side, it's just Sutton saying, look, I know that you're going through a lot. I've been here with my ex. I will be here to support you. I got your back, which is nice to see because these two haven't gotten along for a very long time.

Yeah. So for the time being, to see them come together was kind of nice to read acknowledges as well. It is also really nice too because you can put this scene side by side with a scene that we watched in the first episode where Sutton and Kyle sat down at lunch. And Sutton said the same thing. You don't want to be, you want to be aware of what's going on because when money gets involved and she's talking from a point of or from a point of reference of I've been through it like you're going to go through hell and I'm here for you because I've also gone through it and I can help you out and what did I make 350,000 dollars a month in alimony yeah seriously and Kyle sat there and denied everything and basically didn't get

didn't take Sutton's hand and say look I appreciate you being here for me at all and you see Sutton and Durit who were sitting down, who we've seen at odds since 2019, where they were just yelling at each other. Like, we could immediately say, they're not friends. They have nothing in common. They probably annoyed the shit out of each other. So they just stay away from each other, which by the way, Garcel, that's what you should do with Doreet.

If you're done with Doreet, just stay away from Doreet. That's all you have to do. Don't get involved in just to call her out on this. Random drop-ins make no sense. It's just not going to work for me. But seeing that compared to what we watched in the first episode is nice, because even the to her not friends who have nothing in common, who have never had any common grounds.

Doreet was very appreciative of that. You could see it in her eyes. You could see it on her face. She did not expect Sutton to sit down and do that. Sutton can be the bigger person and say, I know that we've been in odds, but I'm here for you either way. And I do want to be a good friend of you.

That's really nice to see. And I think that Doreet actually appreciated that in the midst of everything else that's going on. Yeah, again, for now. For now. Yeah. On the flip side, you get Kyle and Garcell, and this is, again, a little bit of,

of neutrality from Garcel, which I appreciate it. And maybe this is how she really feels about it. But when she's near dirty, she just can't help herself. Like maybe we can chalk it up to that. I don't know. But she's just saying, look, glad you guys are working it out. We're all going through a lot of things. And that is an interesting thing to point out at this phase in all of these ladies' lives.

There's a lot of shit happening. There's a lot of transitional periods. There's been a lot of divorces and relationships falling through over the past two years. Like when she highlighted that part, I'm like, wow, when you really break it down, every single one of these women have had a life altering moment within the past two years. Yeah, which is pretty nuts. So you would think that they rally behind each other. But Garcel gets into her stuff where she's having a hard time figuring out what's next. Again, it's kind of part for the course of the whole group.

But the only thing that I really took away from this, because obviously Kyle echoes that. Like, yeah, you know, Mo's gone, blah, blah, blah, all the stuff we talked about. It's baffling to me that P.K. reaches out to Gile, not reached out, not texted to check on me, reaches present tense, implying they have ongoing conversations. Yeah. That's inappropriate, no? Ongoing conversations while keep in mind, P.K. has stopped talking to Tarete after that conversation that they had at dinner the one night. saying that they talk too much now they're not talking at all but now he's checking you know to make sure she's okay and guess who didn't ask a fucking follow-up question saying what is he saying

who could have gotten involved the first time the entire season and pretty much all of last season who could have actually had a conversation with kyle where we got to know something garcel she just goes to her confessional and laughs it off and says well that's fucking crazy it is you know it would be crazier if we found out what he was talking about who could have found that out. The fucking person sitting there in the goddamn scene, this is what I got so mad about Garcell and this because she's done nothing for me in two years. And now you have an opportunity on a fucking silver platter and you're like, oh, this is crazy. Let's go back inside. We'll eat a little bit. Like, no, fucking open up. Ask her about it, dude. Stupid. I was, I was floored.

And especially highlighting like you said, the fact that this man has decided to not talk to his wife whom he's separated from, but wants to check in on her friend and the ex of his best friend? Weird. There's so much wrong with that. It's creepy. You know what he's doing. Like, as dudes, we know exactly what he's doing. And it's not on the up and up.

Let me just say that. It's almost like looking for an opening. I don't like it. Could be that or could also be helping P.K. Or helping Mo and seeing how Kyle is through that to report back to Mo what's going on there because they're such boys. The whole thing just stinks. I didn't like it at all, but we don't know anything about it because Kyle didn't offer any information and Garcel didn't dig, which it just pisses me off even more that we found out about it that way.

I hope that we get more out of that because I thought it was crazy. I think it's wildly inappropriate. I think that's such a shit move from PK. And I think if I was Doreet and I heard that, I'd be like, oh, we're done, done. You have time for Herbert, you know, have time for me. Like, go fuck yourself. We can play a fun game and we can imagine that Garcell's good at her job. She could hold on to that nugget, wait for Kyle and Dorell.

to blow up again and then drop that in there to stir shit up even more. But that would burn her allegiance to Kyle because then Kyle was talking about it. And that's one of those things that Kyle could ice you out for six months for. But if Garcel truly didn't give a shit about that and cared about her job and giving us good drama on this show, you would do that the next time that they fight. I'm not holding out hope for that at all. That's the only way that this would play for me that I'd actually look and say, good job, Garcel.

You finally did something. Yeah, I would enjoy that as well. I don't. But she could do that. a way that it actually supports Kyle. If she drops it at the right time against Doreen. Why is your man texting Kyle? And then Doree goes in a spiral.

Yeah. So there's different ways to play it. I'm curious if we'll ever get it. Yeah. But we get to talk about Bose's man, Keely. Just a quick one off there. She's with this new guy.

She was with a dude before who apparently was a liar. We don't get much more on that. We get more on Jennifer Tilly's ex, who used to make her hand him her credit card under the table. so that his ego wouldn't hurt when she paid for dinner, which is embarrassing as shit. And I don't know why she put up with that. Glad she's not with that dude anymore.

I'm a big time Jennifer Tilly Stan. This is a pro-Tilly podcast. I love how, like, genuinely confused she is that things going on. Even the dinner the night before, she's like, can we just stop all this so I can eat my fucking taco, please? Yeah. I just want to sit here. Like, I don't know if I'm allowed to eat.

What's going on? The producer keeps looking at me, telling me not to eat. What am I doing? I'm hungry. with my hands guys i don't know what to do with my hands oh man but as they get off the boat dorit gives theo suttons number theo carries her off the boat every time these kinds of things happen i always oh because the questions always are you married we don't get a response from him in my head i'm always like i wonder if he's dating somebody or with somebody and they're going to watch

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to read it again or oh this might make more sense as to why it took her a while to read it do you think she just took a picture of it and was trying to decipher it through the phone yeah because you would imagine if you write it down and then type it in you would remember what it said and she did not remember what it said at all I like to think that she took a picture of a journal yeah that's fun here but we get to dinner we have a little nudie's conversation who sent nudies to their man kathy what about you she keeps hers locked up nice and tight in a vault in a bank which everyone else was like blown away by that i was not i was like of course she does that tracks 100 for sure yeah that makes complete sense to me we even get a description

of it it's at like the caesar caesar's palace in Vegas with like the mirrors on like those sex beds with the mirrors on the ceiling yeah great awesome And it's locked, lock and key, deep in Gringott's where you can't find it. Past the dragon. You got to go past the dragon, like jump the mine cart, and then you get to Kathy's vault where her one nudie that she gave Rick is there. And then you got to, it's buried. Do you think Green Gots is here?

The fact that you haven't done any Harry Potter shit yet is actually kind of bumming me out. Oh, yeah, I'm doing touristy shit this weekend. So do some Harry, go to Diagon Alley or something. and there's got to be there. Dagon Allie. Yeah. I'll, I'll go back with pop.

Those movies hold up. They're so just like a nostalgic kick right in the nuts in a good way. In a good way. The best kicking the nuts you ever get. Yeah. That just threw me off. I don't know where we are now. I don't think about Harry Potter kicking me in the nuts.

But again, just kind of a weird moment. Garcel brings up a post on, I don't even know what Platt. for him. But I guess Teddy, I would imagine, Teddy tagged multiple ladies that had gotten up on stage at a John Cougar Mellencamp concert. And Teddy posted it because I guess John Cougars got a show coming up and tagged a bunch of people in it. Derreet was one of the people singing on stage. So Durit decided to repost this. Garcel questions her saying, you said yesterday that you weren't friends time out and even i was like oh that's true yeah first i mean my initial reaction is like it's just a repost and she was tagged and it's not that deep but then i'm like okay but then

we roll the tape and what she said was i wouldn't call us close but we are friends yeah very so everything that that that makes total sense but this is used to like disparage her word and say see she's a liar this is why you can't trust Kyle and then you get Erica and Kyle under their breath like Erica's like I don't think that's what she said and cause like roll the tape that's exactly what she said verbatim I said we're not that close but we are friends so if you're friendly with somebody and they tag you you on stage at a John Mellencamp concert singing and you reposted there's nothing wrong with that where Doreet fell off here was by saying I did that to promote John's concert it's like he doesn't

need your promotion he's doing fine as Kyle points out he said an Emmy winning or Grammy winning artist. He's doing okay. But I thought she was fine until saying I was doing it to promote. You backed yourself up. You said the day before we're friends. We're just not that close. That was it.

And she doubled down on that by saying the exact same thing, which if you know that's what you said, just leave it at that. You don't have to explain any further. And once you start doing that, and this is to read 101, this is the first time that we're seeing her once again. And obviously enough Sutton does this all the time. where you just keep going and you start to lose your train of thought, Dorid will do it in the way that she keeps explaining to the point that she's now in trouble.

So you were fine. You could have just doubled down on what you said the night before, knowing what you had said and left it at that and maybe rolled your eyes. Like, all right, Garcel, what? The problem is the whole group questions her, like the validity, because they don't remember what she said. Yeah, because honestly, half the group is probably checked out at that point. They just wanted to eat their tacos and move on with their lives.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. But let's get the Sutton speech, which it takes a little while, right? It's not very smooth, but she's trying to deliver a message similar to last year with MERS when she spread the ashes all over her friends and about letting things go because that seems to be a sticking point with this group.

We get stuck on things. We come back to it. We just need to let things go. Everyone's joking around and belittling the speech, which again is, is that. that rude, yes. You fumbled through the intro and paused and stopped in that left room for jokes to be made. And you're also doing a speech like it's not a kumbaya moment where we've come together again and it's time for a speech. Like the group's still at odds. There's still a lot of weird shit going on. So it felt like the wrong time perhaps. But she gives like a sisterhood

speech and they put their hands in the middle. They tie a ribbon on it. She's like, we are now truly sisters forever. It's like this, again, there's a better moment to do this probably because this just seems like foreshadowing to me at this point that everything is going to fall apart. Doing it in the first cast trip of the season, too, is always stupid.

It's a bold move. You do it at the last cast trip of the season. That's what it works. Or do it at the reunion and then take a shot. That would work as well. It seemed like a preemptive kumbaya speech. I don't think it landed. But I didn't realize it was foreshadowing for Doreet and Sutton.

That was surprising to me. I thought this was like, oh, something's going to fall apart tomorrow without a doubt. But we get to the sprinter van the next day and Sutton's there. She pours herself a drink. So I'm immediately like, hmm, something tells me this scene's going to go south. Anytime there's any time you got a screwdriver in the morning on a sprinter van. back to L.A. from wherever you've been on vacation. So you're already marinating from the night before. You throw a little booze on there in the morning. It's a powder keg. This is a dangerous,

dangerous cocktail to have in the morning. But she brings up the ritual, points out that everyone kind of mocked her, which they did. But she's talking about having disagreements, but still being open and honest amongst the group, calls out Erica and Kyle for their shenanigans on the side, like the shit talking which again is okay but the delivery was a little janky and then everything kind of falls apart because der reed gets involved because she triples down now on i said friends i said we were not close and then it turns into a free-for-all where it's like it's not about that and now sutton who was trying to defend der reet is now yelling at durit to respond in turn by yelling at Sutton everything breaks down it goes to a cut of Garcell going that's not what

we're talking about it's not you I don't know what we're talking about at this point I'm not entirely sure I thought this was about calling out Kyle and Erica it was and now it's turned into Derreet defending herself yelling at Sutton Sutton's pissed at Derreet and nothing is resolved instead this newfound friendship seems to fall apart the next day yeah it falls apart that quickly. And I just thought it was so funny because immediately she's, Doreet has had it. Doreet has been on and we can just say, look, I mean, you can't be in the zone for that long. You can't be, you know, Doreet for four or five seasons, whenever the last time that everybody claims that Doreet was good, which was like what, season nine, we've got five

seasons of Dorete not being good. And now we've got three straight episodes of her being very good and coming after Kyle in a good way in a non-dorite way. She is out of the zone now. She is tired. She doesn't know what's going on anymore. She doesn't know which way is up. She's friends with Sutton now. What the fuck is going on? And of course, she misidentifies what's going on.

Sutton had your back. Sutton was thinking, hey, we're friends now. I saw this shitty stuff happen over here. Let's call these two out and start talking about that because they have a different idea of what you said. And I would have pointed out to the group because you can't have these little whisper conversations while we're all sitting here. I love the term he just misidentifies her anger immediately. going right back at Sutton because, you know, it's reflex at that point. You're mad at Sutton, usually.

Usually she puts her foot in her mouth. Usually you have to go after her. She had your back. She was trying to help you in saying, look at these two over here, who you might think are your friends and you're better with Kyle. Now, she's still talking under her breath behind you. So no, nothing's resolved.

You need to keep going after her. You need to keep your foot on the throat, so to speak. And she's not. She immediately turns at Sutton and redirects her anger, which, by the way, winner, winner, Kyle, because now she's not going to have to worry about Derek coming after her, at least for an episode or two, because she's going to be focused on Sutton, who was trying to help her.

So everything just devolves immediately, all that good work that we did in the first three episodes out the window. Yeah, for now, but I also think, you know, the delivery from Sutton was shoddy at best. Yeah, it was, like she was quick to anger as well, like by yelling it to read immediately or not yelling, but raising her voice. Like the tone. Well, once the ma'am breaks out, she breaks out the maims. Once your ma'am, it games over.

Yep. But like you said, the real winner is Kyle, because now she can point it to read. you like, see, this is what I have to deal with. She wants to point the finger at me. Now Sutton's going to potentially turn on to read after they just found this friendship. I think you chalk it up to a, it was probably a long night. There's vodka in the morning, which is never a great idea from experience. It depends on who you're talking to.

It was fun for a while. Yeah, it was funny for a while. It got really sad. The vodka got warm. you up now, then a water bottle full of hot Florida vodka under your driver's seat. I love that we reference that specific bottle all the time. Oh, God. That fucking, that's a bottle that was reused probably a hundred times just refilling it.

Oh, how depressing. Oh, boy. But look, the most important thing for us at home is this. It's a good season. This is a good season so far. Not everyone in the cast is bringing it, which is okay. You're not going to, we've gotten used to that. I think over this past, like, four-month span of just shows hitting on all cylinders.

So this is good enough. Like, there's enough drama. People are coming to work. They're showing up. So I appreciate what's going on. I see, like we always talk about, there are some pitfalls that could drag it down a little bit. But all in all, consistent season, enjoyable season. I like where the ladies of Beverly Hills are at.

I'm good with it. But let's get to some questions. first up here from Kelly 2422. I feel like Crystal would have been great this season. I think, look, I think she would have fit in well this year, actually. Yeah, I think she would have been okay. I think that she had her feet under her. I'm not going to say that I'm upset that she's not here.

I think that she would have been okay on this cast, though. But I do think that Bose is going to bring more early on than what Crystal brought early on a couple of years ago. yeah i agree but i think i yeah i think she would have fit in with this group i think she had done fine um uh speaking about or uh speaking of those uh hi my name is sandy said do you think durit is influencing bows in her favor kind of but i do think that boz isn't going to fall for that shit i think that she is doing a good job right now of being herself introducing the cat or introducing the fans to her and what you

what she does and what she's bringing to the table. I don't think that she's won based off of what we've seen in three episodes to just fall for that shit, especially from Doreet. Yeah, I agree. From Maya Sanderson, Garcels has every right to hate Doreet. Why are we all suddenly forgiving microaggressions? We're not. I think we made that clear throughout the episode.

Like, she has every right to not like her. She doesn't need to get along with her. It just, if any of this was pointed at, Garcel, by all means, jump in and tear her apart. It's just she's seemingly inserting herself in random moments where it's not even like Kyle, you know, tated up for her to go in. It's like, where's this coming from? Like the John Mellencamp thing.

It's like, well, we really break this down. That's not, it's not disparaging to what Derreet had said because like this is in line with what she said. We're friends. We're just not that close. So a repost is makes a lot of sense to me. It's just the timing of it doesn't make a lot of sense. And it's just misguided, I think.

It has nothing to do with, she doesn't have to like her. We get it. That makes sense. Totally. Don't like it. Fine. And pick and choose your moments better. Yeah, pick and choose your moments better.

And right now, we're more frustrated that Garcel is now, she only has one phase to her game. And that is to go against whatever Doreet's saying at all times. That's it. That's really all that Garcel is doing right now. If you look at any housewife on any franchise, We're going to pick that apart all the time because it frustrates us when you can only do one thing. And if you're not doing it that well and you're not adding to the rest of the show,

then, you know, we're going to get frustrated with you. So we made it's great. Yeah, it's not even about Doreen. It's about the lack of substance elsewhere. Yeah, perfect. I don't know if this is like sarcastic from Bravo, Gen 99. Does Doreet need to see a therapist for her anger because she's fed up and finally speaking her mind? No, I think she's well within her right to be as pissed off as she is.

I stand with Doreet and her anger. She's allowed to do this. Like, she's been biting her tongue for years. Let it go. Like, I don't know. So, no, I don't think what we're seeing is like rage. You're just seeing a pissed off woman. Yeah.

Yeah, we've seen way worse on other franchises that would actually warrant a, hey, do they need to see a therapist probably? But not three is. We're not right now. No, we applaud her for finally speaking her mind. Yeah. Do two more. From Monica Tornetta, did Captain call Sutton?

What do you think? I think we can ask her and let you know. Yeah, we can find out. We'll holler ahead and see. Yeah. And the last one, this is fun to speculate on. From Miranda E. 412, whose closet do you think holds the most value? My vote is Sutton's.

That was her vote, not mine. Sutton's, wow, Doreet got a lot stolen from her. We have a lot of stuff with the brand name on it. So that doesn't, to me, point to the most lucrative closet. Yeah. I don't really know enough about Bose's wardrobe as right now. I would say Jennifer Tilly based on those wacky purses. Yeah.

Yeah, let's go Tilly. I think she's the sleeper pick here where you'd walk in her closet and be like, holy shit. I am good with that. Yeah. But all in all, like I said, great episode, great season. We're enjoying ourselves. to the point that we had to take a time out of Shooter's vacation and my mental vacation from Shooter

to bring you a little episode we're uh we're uh international bros right now we certainly are and we are having a great title lLC yeah bros and shows and nations bros and show nation yeah bro show nation we're implementing the name change next year by the way So we'll see what we officially land on. That's pretty close. We're just going to keep trying over the next couple of weeks. You're going to find something. You're going to have to grin and bear for the next three weeks.

And then we'll land on something. And you have to like it because we love us. Look what we do for you guys because we love you. Yeah. Just be cool, man. I will, I'll report back doing some sightseeing. So I'll go find a little Ben and I'll let him know. And then just do one Harry Potter thing for me and take a picture.

even if you walk by something and take a picture. Yeah, I'll find something. All right, good. All right, Erie. Fancy a tickle. No, it's not. I've heard enough of it this week. It's Australian.

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