Bros & Shows - Dorit is Drunk With Power (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

What's up Bros? In this episode of RHOBH, things really heat up. After a 2 week breather from the drama, the ladies are back in Beverly Hills and tensions are high. Dorit is planning a 4th of July bbq and invites the ladies to her house. Before we get there, Boz discusses her journey with Keely and potentially being parents and tells a gut-wrenching story of when she lost her first child during her pregnancy. At the party, Dorit clearly still has an issue with Sutton. After a bizarre purse interaction, Dorit makes a joke about alcohol and Sutton calls her a bitch. All hell breaks lose as Sutton goes to leave, Garcelle and Kyle go to her defense and then Boz steps in to tell Kyle and Garcelle they're being rude. Garcelle calls out Boz for being Dorit's mouthpiece and the group gets into an argument. Kyle questions Boz about calling her 'cold'. Dorit jumps into defend Boz and it leads to yet another argument between Kyle and Dorit. However, when the dust settles, we finally see these two sit down and have the first real heart to heart that we've seen in years... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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how they weren't the most riveting, but they were nice. And I feel like we have just gotten arguably the best episode of the season. Yeah, I really led into it. And look, I was a little concerned, but I think that what we got mostly from Augusta was a line drawn in the sands. There's some factions. There's some teams being formed. And usually I don't call for that, but right now I'm calling for it. Look, it was time for a good faction off. We haven't had one in a while. So let's build those teams. Let's take some shots at each other. We need some beef. Mixed a job. Yeah.

Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Brows and shows. Brose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined us always by...

Damn it, what's the name? I was trying to think of, is it Snowmiser? Snowmiser. Is from the movie? Yeah. I was trying to incorporate that. Snow Goots. It's a great movie.

Snoots. Snootty McGootie. Snootie McGootie. That actually might be a new one. We'll have to go back and check the tape. I think that's the first. Whoa. We are not going back and checking the tape.

God, this. Fuck. We have, I saw the other day, we have 357 episodes. It's actually lower than I thought it was. Oh, is it? Yeah.

What do you think it was? Like, 800. I don't know. We've been doing this for off. It just feels like we've been doing it forever. 200 years. Who knows? But, yeah, it's freaking cold.

I want warmth. That's what I want. I want, you know, watching this. We get the 4th of July, 94 degrees. Kyle's upset about it. I am also upset about it because it's not 94 degrees here. I'm upset watching it. I feel like she took a shot at us.

I didn't appreciate that. But this is why I tried to say in January, when you're like, January is the worst month. I was like, it's absolutely not the worst month. The worst month is unequivocally February in the Northeast because it is just daunting. I know it's shorter, but it feels like it takes, longer and it's cold and it's like even when you get to the end of February like oh my god

yeah it's March and then March is miserable until like week three so you're wrong no I'm not January is the worst football so long football still on if we didn't if the Eagles weren't running and going to a Super Bowl well they are because of the greatest team on the plan that's fine go birds January is still the longest month oh birds yeah go birds okay thank you we're like two weeks removed from the Super Bowl like February flies by It's just cold. Shut up. It's also still like somewhat sunny out, by the way.

It's like 6 p.m. Oh, this is sunny? It's sunnier than it was a month ago, buddy. It is not sunny. January 18th at 6 p.m. We were sitting in the studio. It was pitch black in here. You were toying around with the lamps trying to figure it out why it was so dark.

It's just because January sucks. That's why it was dark. February sucks. I will die on this hill. Oh, yeah. Your anniversary sucks? Wow. My birthday sucks?

Yeah. You're going to say, yeah, of that, but I'm going to lead off of your anniversary. You got married and fair. It's your worst month. I, stupid idiot. This is, this is not cool. Yeah. This is gasoline.

I feel gaslit. I'm not even gaslighting. I'm calling you an idiot. You're an idiot. I know. Okay, cool. That's on the same wage. Hey, now we're back.

But we're here to talk about a little bit of warmth out there in Robha, which, like I said, this was a great episode. This was a really, really good episode. And I feel like we've got the fights that are coming out of this, or the all altercations or the arguments, whatever you want to call them, they feel more in depth than what we got in the beginning of the season. Because I feel like in the beginning of the season, you had so much pent up stuff between Dorit and Kyle. Not that that's not still there in this episode, but we seem to just be going in a circle every time. Like every episode, we got to the same thing and it never got resolved. Same thing. Didn't get resolved. And we got the

beach weekend. And it was like, all right, whatever. Then we had Augusta. I feel like now we can get into some actual shit. Yeah, we could definitely get into some actual shit. I feel like everybody's well-established. You look at somebody like Bose who, she came out strong, she kind of figured out what her role was going to be, and I don't even think that she did that. I'm not even going to say that. I think she's just being herself. She's very genuine.

And now she has a better understanding of how everything operates. We had a little bit of a breakdown where the two groups just kind of split apart with three people going to Augusta, the rest of them left back home. And you could see that there were some tensions going on there, even

with them being across America from each other. And now we're all back together and we're ready to get into it. So I thought this episode had a lot going for it. There's a lot of different things that happens. There's a lot of beefs. There's a lot of breakdowns. There's a lot of come-togethers, things that we like to see for a well-rounded episode. And I was genuinely confused when I saw on Twitter last night that people were saying this was a really good episode.

Because I haven't seen the masses say that a Beverly Hills episode was good. It's been a minute. A while. Yeah. Probably since we started doing this. Yeah. The general consensus normally, even when we enjoy an episode, we tend to look on Twitter or something. And it's like, that was boring.

It's like recast. We're done with these people. They're so boring. What we got from this episode, but I think that's what it was. It was a well-rounded episode. Got a little bit of everything. And I think what set it apart for me from other Beverly Hills episodes was we did have the blowup, which we've had plenty of those at Doreet's house.

we don't get the aftermath a lot because people leave, they storm out, I'm not dealing with this shit, I'm done with you, and that's not what happened this time. It was the final act of the episode. Yes. Sort of like split up in different ways, and obviously we'll get into it shortly, but you start off someplace like Augusta, then you kind of come together, you get a little bit of a downtime, and then the main component was obviously to Reed's house, and that was the last like 25 minutes of it, and just when you think it's over because somebody like Sutton is leaving

or whatever else is going on and you get Bose and Garcell kind of going after each other. All of a sudden you get like six minutes of unprovoked, like unplanned time between the two people that have been running the season and pushing the narrative of the season

to sit down and finally talk about what they're going through. Yeah. And I didn't expect to get that. I expected maybe, you know, we might get that next episode, whatever might happen. We just got this completely fully through

and it seems like there's resolution some places, there's dismay over here. It's just great. There's a couple of stutter steps over here. Oh, yeah. A couple of stumbles I didn't see coming from Bose. Hez-ie Hay. Yeah, so we got some stuff to talk about.

So let's dive right in. Like you said, we wrap up the Augusta trip with Garcel, Kyle, and Sutton. We have a very touching moment. Oh, you're going to notebook it? Yeah, I got a notebook in front of it. Yeah, I left my two notebooks over there. What page are you on? I don't fucking know.

You can't read my handwriting. Gwen catching food. Who's Gwen? It's probably Salt Lake City, I'm imagining. Yeah. Todd's Emo Affair. That means emotional So did he do it

Your notes are funny Anyway go on That's how I keep track of these things But like I said We have this nice little moment To wrap up the trip Reba says I love you to Sutton For the first time in her life

So that was pretty cool for her And it was just a touching scene overall Everyone does like a group hug at the end And it was sad Because Kyle's like I don't want to go home Yeah Because home is alone But I liked it in a weird way

where Kyle's saying that one, that's her opening up emotionally. It was real. More than she's done. It's very real. But also, like, I get it. You know, and you're also with, you know, Garcell still wants to get back to her kids for sure. Totally. Sutton, I don't know. She just wants to get home. She feels like everything's like resolved. The conflict is good. She got, she achieved what she wanted when she went out there. And also for Kyle, I thought that it was nice because she, her going to this trip was a bit of a head scratcher to begin with.

And then at the end of it, I'm like, you know what? this was good for Kyle. And it's almost like I'm rooting for her because, like, at the end of the day, she is going through a lot of shit. We are frustrated with Kyle as a fan base as an audience. But seeing something like this, it humanizes her. 100%. And you want to see stuff like that from her.

I would argue this is Kyle's best episode in three years. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. As far as, like, rooting for her, being able to resonate with her and a few things and just finally feel like you connect with her. Like, you're not getting the pressed up, like, trying to, trying to, trying to spin a narrative bullshit like she was actually being genuine and maybe that's what it took

just the walls kind of coming down or maybe it took her going to augusta and seeing that other people have a lot of shit going on too and watching sutton trying to resolve this crazy thing i don't know what softened her up but something happened in this episode where once again for the first time and a long time people were rooting for kyle yeah yeah that's true but from there we get to beaux and her cousin tina tina's like her bestie they're ten months They do everything together, and they're drinking. This is when you know you're wealthy, I think. When you're able to have your own little pouch of gold flakes that you put into your drink.

What's wrong with Goldschlager? Oh, God. The hair in the back, my neck is stood up. Jesus. That, dude, gold slager should be illegal. Do you remember why we used to drink it? Because the super bad? The little gold flakes cut your throat so it makes you get drunk faster.

That's what they said. That's not true. It's definitely not true. That's the stupidest thing. You are drinking microplast. I mean, we're always drinking microplast. Yeah, I know. Just gold-plated plastic.

Gold-plated microplastics. But the funniest shit with that, I used to, when I would see umpires out in the bar when we go out, I would send them drinks because I hate umpires, but as a catcher, your job was to make a, like, have a good relationship with them, so you get more strike calls. Sure. So when I'd see them out at a bar, I would always send them a drink because they always be like, oh, thanks, man. They thought I was being nice, but I would send them a starry night.

Do you know what a starry night is? It is Goldschlager mixed with yes. Yeager. Oh, God. So I would send them, I would send them two starry nights, and they would take the shot and grimace, and then give me like a thumbs up, like, thanks for the drink. Yeah. I'm not going to let this guy call me a bitch.

Fuck both of you. Enjoy your drinks, assholes. But, yeah, Gulchlogger's disgusting. Anyway, they're talking about baby stuff. As we know, Bose and Keely are thinking about having a child. This was the most honest conversation that she's had about it, I think, and maybe we need to Tina there to have this conversation because they start going through the process.

She's like, we have a fertility doctor from Vegas flying out. She's going to take samples and this needs to be a song. Drip, drop, sample, sample. I loved this. It was so good. It was such a good little line, but I'm also confused because we just kind of jumped. Like, I think that she, I think you're right. I think this is the most

real conversation that we've had. But the last time that we checked in when she was sitting there with Doreet and Erica talking about this, they hadn't said, I love you to each other, which she still did say, and she's talking about that still. But we were thinking about it. Now we've got a doctor flying out and he's taking samples. It's like, what happened?

And this was less than a week ago. Yeah. So I don't know. And we did get a timeline later, by the way. Later they did. Doreet did reference a week ago was when they were going to the beach. Okay. So all of this has happened in a week, which is insane to me. Well, I think she explains it away. Yeah. Like when she's

talking about, like, I think I understand why. I get it. They're both on this like weird same page of nobody wants to rock the boat and we have set ourselves down this path and now nobody wants to upset the other person. They are playing chicken. They are. They are playing chicken. They're playing relationship marriage baby chicken. Relation chicken. And they're staring at each other. They don't want to be the first one to balk. Nope. They're both just kind of agreeing with the other person's idea. Yeah. And they're going to find themselves in a situation where they have a baby, but they still

haven't said, I love you yet. They're going to say, I love you to the baby before they say it to each other. That would be not great. Not great. But I don't. I don't. judge but no no judgment here i think what you do get from this scene though is her coming to terms with that and being like hold on like pump the brakes because she goes through and i wasn't ready for this at all did i know this is where this is going but she talks about um when she conceived her first child her name was eve she was unexpected and while she was pregnant she had the early stages of preclampsia which can be very dangerous during a pregnancy and it gets your blood pressure her through the roof. So I'm not sure when she went into labor, I believe it's when she went

into labor, or maybe she started to have an episode with her blood pressure that caused her to labor. Yeah, she said it was like five and a half months in. Okay, there you go. So they rushed her to the hospital and the baby ended up not surviving, which is heartbreaking, it's gut wrenching, and I'm sure. And this is something that she's still obviously dealing with to this day. So as she's starting to get closer to potentially having a baby, and like she says, the doctor coming out there makes all this real. Now it's really real. Shit, I'm giving samples. Oh, my God. I might be pregnant again. Oh, my God. What if this has? Of course, you're going to go to worst case scenario because

that's what you've been through. So now she's starting to get a little bit nervous with everything, which is completely understandable. And I think what we're going to get from this, I would imagine, is a conversation with Keely where it's like, hey, let's get on the same page here. Like, what do we really want? Yeah, I think that's probably what they need at this point in time. And I mean, look, she's a lot stronger of a person that I am. Because the idea of coming out of all of that, that traumatic event and saying immediately, I'm meant to be a mother and I want to do this again. And thankfully, she did have Lael. Layel?

Layel. And, yeah, and obviously that really worked out for her. But she even said that that was kind of a horrific experience. So the fact that now she's sitting here, what was it, 12 years later? 15 years later, sitting here having this conversation again with a guy that you've been dating for a little while. But, you know, you're getting up there in age and you want to have another kid and you've been considering it. And he seems like a great fit. there just seems to be a missing conversation.

There's some apprehension. Yeah, so we're going to have to have that on camera for all of us to see. Yeah, oh, yes, of course. Yes, but of course. Need that. But, yeah, it was an emotional scene, but I'm, like you just said, she's just a badass, you know. So props to her, props to her for this scene, but. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure.

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So that's what we're looking forward to later. But we get a quick face time between Kyle and Erica Jane. And all of these little scenes are just setting up what we're getting to later because Bose had said to Erica, or at the dinner table, Erica was there. Yeah. Kyle's a bit cold. That's her experience with Kyle this far. She asked Kathy about it.

Your sister cold, which... She's the person to ask. Kathy doesn't know. She has no idea. Later on, when she gets... Who are we talking about? Mountain out of a molehill, right? I'm like, fuck, yeah.

Then she goes, wait. I'm like, no, no, no, no, just stop. You got it. You got it, Kathy? Ah, damn it. But let's get to Doreats, because this is where the majority of the episode takes place, which is amazing for me.

It makes my note-taking are easier. And I also like when we have enough content to get us through, an episode in one place. I get that also runs the risk of getting boring, but this was not boring. No. So let's jump into it. The whole plan here is it's been really sad around here.

It's been super sad at this house. There's been robberies, guns, divorce. That's a lot of sad shit. Yeah, that's a lot of sad shit. So it's time to cheer it up a little bit. Let's have a little 4th of July barbecue bash. We'll invite everybody over. Get a big blow-up water slide.

Sure, why not? Have some bad watermelon drinks. I think there were like a total of five children running around there. That was it. Hey. I was trying to count them on the way in. Oh, where you did? Are we getting our bang for that buck?

I was going to say, you're 100% counting children to see if the slide was worth getting, weren't you? Yes. Yeah, well. 1,000%. Why? Reed has financial problems. You want to go spend a ton of money on a fucking water slide for five kids?

I don't know. Maybe sell 500 of your 2,000 pairs of shoes upstairs. No. I don't think she's going to do that one. Have somebody break in and steal them. That could work too. Any insurance is probably worth a lump. More, allegedly.

I don't think that she knew anything. No, I don't think so either. But, yeah, I was thinking about that. I knew you. Is it fiscally safe to do that? Is it fiscally responsible to get that big ass slide? Probably not. I don't know.

I don't know. Kids look like they enjoyed it. That's good. But anyway, Sutton arrives. And obviously, tensions are a bit high between these two. So to me, I see this as a potential. Olive Branch, Sutton, come on over. This is all about having fun today.

we're going to have a good time. We're going to be fine. That's not what happens at all, and we're about to get to that. But in the meantime, Kyle arrives, and Sutton's still sitting by herself because DeReed's full 20 minutes. It was, actually, yeah, because they show the clock at the bottom. I think that's really funny, too, because we've heard this before. Producers dictate when people show up to events like this.

Oh, so Kyle coming. But no, Dorees upstairs looking for a body chain. Doreet's doing whatever Doreet's doing. This is not surprising to me that she shows up late to her own party. but Sutton being the person to walk in and see all of these people. If it's Kyle, Kyle will probably walk around the kitchen, maybe say hi to a couple of people. Erica, same thing. Sutton is not going to go out there and start introducing herself to people.

She just doesn't do that. So it was funny in my head thinking, oh, we know Doreet's going to be upstairs. The producers are sitting here thinking this is hilarious. Let's send Sutton in. It'll be at least 20 minutes before Doret comes down. We're going to hold back Kyle for a bit, too. Make sure that she shows up later, and this is going to be awkward as shit. Yeah, I love it.

And it was. It was. I would love to know the people. people that are just normal human beings that are out by the pool with their kids. Like, who the fuck is that lady in there? And why is she sitting by herself? Look at the camera directly.

Yeah. And she's sitting there not looking at just a giant camera and Sutton for 20 minutes, silent. Yeah, that was funny. Studying the map of California. Yeah, what? Was there, I didn't see a map. She was looking on her phone.

That's what that was? Yeah, I think so. I thought there was a map in a room somewhere. The meme about, like, dudes at a party. Like, they're always talking about, like, oh, I'm going to talk to so many chicks tonight. And then as soon as they get there, they're just looking at the weather out.

the whole time. Oh, yeah, totally. That's what Sutton was doing. She was looking at a map. Her weather, weather, uh, Google Maps, just kind of going through. Studying. Studying California. Sure. Why not? You know, trying to figure out how far the valley is for, yeah. Oh, God, remember that? Debacle.

Oh, fuck. I can't wait for the valley to come back on. Oh, my God. But like I said, Kyle shows up and immediately notices this shrine to PK, like the minute you walk in the door, there's a round table with pictures facing the door. If we know anything about Dorete, despite what her upstairs looks like right now, everything is out for a reason. Everything she wears just for a reason. She knew that this was there. This wasn't for, I don't think this was for the women on the cast. I think it was for everybody else coming. I agree. That's what I thought. To keep up appearances. Sure. Like, yeah, I'm not going to move these pictures away.

They know that we're having hard times right now, but I'm not going to put all these pictures of me and P.K. Actually, I'm going to highlight them and stick them in the middle of the room. So that everybody thinks we're good. Yeah, so I don't have to answer questions. That's what I thought it was. I guess that's what I gather as well. But what happens next was very strange.

This whole interaction was so strange to me. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah. Because again, I know that these two are feuding. I know that tensions are high because of the, the sprinter van after beach weekend. And then when they're going to another beach weekend at Garcells, you get that weird moment where Sudden interrupts Doreet when she's talking about Jagger asking about divorce, which was a dick move on Sutton's part. So, yeah, we know a lot of shit's going on, but I thought if you're going to invite somebody over, you're like I said, extending an olive branch. They're a guest in your home.

And this was bizarre because Kyle is commenting on Sutton's bag. She's like, isn't Sutton's bag so cute? And she's like, who's bag? Who's bag? And I was like, what? What's the deal here? What's going on? Did she steal your purse?

I'm so confused by all of this. She's like, well, I think that it's my bag and like takes it. I'm like, oh, she's making a funny. That's not possible. That wasn't funny. She can't do it. She's standing there like without making any facial movements and being like, I think you owe it to me.

This is my bag. I'm like, what the fuck's going on right now? And she can't afford a bag of her own right now, so maybe that's what it was. Okay, fine. I know. It was bizarre. It didn't make any sense to me at all. And I think that the way that DeReed has been handling this season,

we gave her props in the beginning because she came out strong. She came out on fire. She went after Kyle. She was just talking about all the things that were going on. And she was able to verbalize the issues that she had because she had bows. It was. It was fun to see her have teeth. She has overstepped.

She has too many teeth. Yep. I can't do this anymore. She's like that shark that has like rows of teeth. Yeah. Can't do it anymore. That's every shark. But yeah.

Yeah. She doesn't know how to handle this, though. that's my problem is she's making these weird dry jokes she's always made weird dry jokes fine whatever but now she's got like a little bit of power she's got a taste of it and she feels like she's going to get backed up and she's a friend with bows who's going to back her up no matter what and i think that she did it not as an olive branch to say hey sutton come on over we don't really have to talk about anything but at least i can show you that you're welcome in my home and we can kind of go like that that's not what she was doing she wanted to invite sutton over to show some

power. Yeah. She wanted to hold it over her like, no, no, we're in my house. And that's how it played out. That's exactly how it played out. And it was not good for her. No. This was not a positive episode for Doreet. I mean, you just laid it out perfectly. We were enjoying this different side of her. Fuck, yeah, stand up for yourself. She was cool. She was cool for 12 episodes. Yep. That's pretty good. That is pretty good. It's a pretty good run for her. I'll give her that. Before she turns into a nerd again. So, I mean, good job, good job. But Garcella arrives and almost dies as she tries to go out the back door. Misses a step there.

I feel like that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Could have been way worse. Maybe if I ever go to that house, I know what I'm doing. Yeah. Breaking my ankle right there.

Marcel could put another addition on her beach house. Yeah, I don't do that, though. How? Who's going to pay them? That house is being foreclosed on. They can't pay for it. That's a good point. Yeah.

So you're not going to get any money. Probably a property in London. I was there. Yeah. A couple flats. P.K.'s got a flat. Yep. Next to boy, George.

Single P. Yeah. Oh, God. It just sounds gross, doesn't it? I don't like it. I don't either. Because I just imagine him at like... It's called Paige.

Pege. Yeah. Let's go back to Peach. Why, Pege? We called him Peach. No, because Kathy called him PJ. Oh, that's right. So, okay, yeah.

The peach is worse. Peach. Peach. Peach. So I just see him at a bar for like 25-year-olds. And then you got, this is, what I'm Peekai. And he's got his fucking leather vest on. Do you see Peach at a bar for 25-year-olds or P-K?

peach i see pk at a bar for 25 year olds too oh well it's the same guy yeah oh is it okay good point yeah their point their point but anyway the girls are sitting around chit-chatting we're drinking uh watermelon coconut whatever something or other and garcell asked sutton what she's drinking and she's like oh watermelon coconut whatever she's like oh is there alcohol in it just to figure out what she's drinking yeah now durete takes a shot here which i didn't think was that bad i actually She was like, all right, ha, ha, we're making light of something that was a huge deal. Her tone was wrong. Your tone's all wrong.

And I think it's the delivery there. It's the delivery with the purse because it's not met with a giggle. There's no smile after the fact. She's like, oh, Garsell, you're going to ask her if there's alcohol in that after what had happened. Obviously, Sutton doesn't take it great. And she's like, oh, you're such a bitch. Doreet immediately everything shifts. She's like, huh.

in my house? Yeah. You're gonna come here. That's where I realized that's why she's too much power. Yeah. And there's too much.

This is my house. This is my setting. I can kick you out if I want to. I've got all the power. 1,000%. This was an attempt to set up a power dynamic.

She takes the first piece of evidence that she can that Sutton's being disrespectful and she locks on to this for the entirety of the episode to the point where it's like dude, get over it.

Yeah. She called you a bitch because you were being, you made a joke. Yep. You knew the joke had some spice. on it, you got a reaction.

And then when Sutton's trying to do it, like, explain it away a little bit, and I'm not going to defend Sutton too much this episode, because she wasn't great either. But in this specific moment, she's like, yeah, don't do that. Like, it was a big deal. I don't like that she did that. So that's why she calls you a bitch. You keep going back to this is my house. You're not going to disrespect me in my home.

My problem with it was that Derreet never said, Sutton, I was kidding. Or Sutton, it was a joke. She just never plainly said it. And even if you don't have the right tone, if you're not, used to telling jokes, which Doreet's not. You still have to explain, and yeah, it's not funny anymore when you have to explain a joke, but you still have to actually say, hey, that was a joke. I'm sorry.

You don't even have to say, I'm sorry, honestly, as far as I'm concerned. Just actually tell us that it was a joke. And the fact that you never did that makes me feel like it wasn't a joke. And we also know how serious this was last year. We go to confessional, and she's like, DeReed has never apologized for perpetuating this rumor. We get a montage of when Dorete was perpetuating the rumor. So obviously this is going to sting a little bit.

So Sutton reacts, cause you a bitch, and then Sutton storms off and leaves the conversation. And Garcel and Kyle go to check on her. I mean, Garcell's was a little funny. She's like, I'm going to go get a watermelon drink. I'm going to go get a watermelon drink. She was really, she had a great episode. Yeah.

Garcel was really funny this episode. But they go to check on her and Doret's like, of course, they're going to check on her. I'm like, who are you? Who is this woman? This is also like what happens? When Kyle stormed away, I know Kyle was talking about.

this. And this is why I actually liked Kyle in this episode, too, because we know, like we said in the beginning of the episode, we have teams that are forming right now. We have the Augusta team who just spent a couple of days together, who had a really nice time. Of course, they're going to go check on Sutton because it's something that they know is going to upset her. Yep. But again, Kyle can go to the confessional and say, well, you know, it is a little hypocritical of Sutton to give me shit for walking away from Marty and wanting to leave, which is fully factual. But at the same time, she still went and went to go check on her. As people do

in this setting, anytime somebody storms away, we don't see them just go away by themselves and leave. Think about when Kyle... There's always two or three people to go after them. Two or three, when Kyle left, everybody went out there, and they talked outside, and then they moved it to the driveway, and they just kept kind of moving until Kyle

got into a car. You lost a few people as they got further away. Like, this is what happens every time. So this is just Doreet, the power has gotten to her head, and it's not even real power. It's the illusion of power. drunk with with illusional power. Illusional? Illusionary.

Illusionary watermelon power. Yep, that's what she's drunk with right now. But Kyle and Garcell are trying to settle Sutton down a little bit. Sutton's like, I was being nice by showing up and drinking that nasty watermelon drink. And I will give her that. Like, her showing up to this thing does, again, from Dorit's standpoint, it's Olive Branch extended. By Sutton showing up, it's Olive Branch accepted. we know it's going to be a little tense

but let's work through this let's not do anything to throw it out of proportion which again I understand that she called you a bitch but you set the tone with that weird purse thing right like that immediately everything's going to be more tense because that was the most awkward should have ever seen so the tone has been set

I just don't think that Dorete wants to be friends with Sutton she does at all she just wants it to be like okay in terms of the show which is fine like I don't care but don't do it under a guise of oh I extended an olive branch I invited you over Like, just don't do that. Stick to your guns and say you don't like her.

Yeah, that would actually work better for us. Let's be cordial. Yeah, let's be cordial. And you know what? If you say something that pisses me off, I'm going to go right at you because I don't like you. Fine. Fine. I would love that.

But you started it. Yep. You started it. She reacted, which is what you wanted because now you can say that she's being dramatic. Yep. And when Kyle goes to ask you to apologize to Sutton or just simply go talk to her, Doreet again, like, bow's out of her chest. She's like, you guys can talk to her.

Like, you're clearly the only ones can get through to her. So why don't you go. talk to her. I was like, now you're bossing people around. I'm like, who is this woman? She has a friend. This is Doreet with a friend. Doree with a friend is a menace. She's an absolute menace. But I do have a little bit of a different take later.

And I'm going to save it for when we go upstairs. But again. You and I? Really? Change of scenery? Yeah, we're going to go do the rest of the podcast from Scotty's room. Cool. Yeah, I'm going to sit in the recliner and you're going to sit in the crib.

Yeah, we're going to whisper. Very quietly. Very quiet as you don't like the baby. We're going to finish the podcast. But she's stuck on the bitch thing. She called me a bitch in my own home. Kyle's like, dude, it was a joke. It's like, I mean, the bitch comment wasn't really a joke, but it doesn't really

matter because what you did wasn't really a joke. But it's neither here nor there. Why make such a big deal unless there's more under the surface? That's what Doreet says. I'm like, all right, so now we're going to double down on the alcohol thing. It wasn't a joke. Right. Yeah, you just confirmed to us that it wasn't a joke.

You just told everybody at home that there was at least a semblance of truth to what you were saying you were trying to take a dig it did land but then you're trying to backpedal and blame it all on sutton i think that's horseship or whatever erika arrives as sutton's trying to leave and now we have this like meet up at the door there's a bench right next to the door and visibly yes if you're having a party right next to the shrine pk the pge shrine so we're all sitting by the peed shrine and yeah, optics aren't great if you're hosting a party and everyone else there is like, who's this group of women huddled around this one woman

by the door? They don't look happy. What's going on? This party's kind of weird. Yeah. Fine. But Bose, who has not stumbled once this whole season, this is her first misstep, goes over to them,

and she's like, come into the house. Like, get it? Like, what are we doing here? And goes to confessional, she's like, these women have no cooth. This is so rude. It's so disrespectful. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

whoa, whoa, you have no idea what's going on. And I get it. You ride for your friends. That's great. You got Doreet's back. That's also great. She's really needed a friend unless this is what happens when Doreat gets her friend because maybe she doesn't need a friend.

Yeah. But you don't know what's going on right now. I have a different take on that. And this is, I think, why the episode was so entertaining for me. Ooh. I didn't really take a side in any of this. You were just neutral. I was very neutral.

That's fine. I could see it both ways. I understand, yeah, you don't want people sitting over there. I don't think, I do think that obviously Bo's going over there and saying you guys need to get out of the doorway instead of Dorek going over to do it is very spokesperson. It's 100% spokesperson. So that is a fair play by Garcel to say that. Yeah.

But at the same time, I understand, yeah, it is a little weird over there. What are we doing here? If I'm Bose and she just kind of speaks her mind, she wants to go do this, fine, go do it. I like it. It works out for me. It's just, it's entertaining for me. It's definitely entertaining. I'm not even going to like, I'm not going to rag on either side because I can see it from both

sides. I can't, I guess. Okay. No, I think that for me, why is just because we get a little bit more of it later. I love Bose. I think Bose is great. I love that she speaks her mind. I love that she stands up to people.

I love that she doesn't get pushed around. Blindly doing it when you don't know past history. Blindly doing it when you're not sure what's really going on. Now, had she gone over there and been like, hey, what's up? I just don't think she's the type to, like, sit out there. Because the other, I can see other women in this group just sitting out there looking at them, like an Erica, sitting out there, looking at them, and they're laughing about it. That would be a drink, just like relaxing, doing whatever.

And that's, I think, what people expect, and that's what they want. But Bose brings a completely different energy to this group. Well, she's going to do something like this. And I think it works. I thought it was a misstep. I didn't love it. I thought she could have done it better. And when she goes back outside, she's like, oh, they just coddle her.

I'm like, that's true. Yes. Okay, they do coddle Sutton a little bit. So, yeah, you're right there. But again, for me, all it would have taken is, hey, what's going on? And the minute that they respond, she could have gone into the exact same thing. All right. Get away from the door.

This is rude. That would have been different for me. And I do think that Bose, coddling isn't. the right word, but she essentially coddles Dorit. She protects Doreet. And it's still a form of coddling. I feel like what that friendship has become, I do believe it's a genuine friendship.

I do think they like each other. I think that she saw somebody that was completely disregarded by this group for so long. So she has this almost protective nature about it now where she's like, you guys aren't going to shit on her anymore while I'm here, which Dorete kind of needs. But at the same time, because you haven't been

here, you don't know the other sides of Doreet. Also, we have the weird byproduct of you doing that leads to Doreet feeling like she's powerful. Oh, God. And I don't like that. Dude, she got so much energy from this, like so much. Everything she said, I'm pretty sure for the rest of the episode, until

we go upstairs, is completely sarcastic. That's what I thought. Everything she says out of her mouth is just full sarcasm. And she's not great. I don't see that. You don't do that, Doree. It doesn't land. It's kind of weird, but you see Bowe's like feeding

into Doreet's energy right now and Doreet's just like she's just taking it and running with it she's like don't be a bitch you are a vile human you're a douche I was like whoa

we are going off the rails Don't be a douche is a great line Don't be a douche is always a good line. The way that she delivered it to is funny. I was trying to find that picture I couldn't find that. Couldn't find the douche picture? That's unfortunate I know. Sutton finally leaves which I'm on Kyle's team here she gave Kyle a lot of shit for bouncing you can't bounce you got to sit in it you got to sit there

and take this because of the stance that you took and I get that we've had a hypocrisy off between these two because Sutton when she left Vegas Kyle made a big deal out of that so then Sutton felt that Kyle was being a hypocrite at the other party at the spa day so she called her out now we're back to square well now we're back yeah so now the we should have just like stayed time is litting Time is a flat circle. Not linear. That's different.

Time is a flat circle. Linear circle. Do you understand? The earth is flat? The theory behind it is that the earth is flat. Therefore, the past is taking place simultaneously as the future. Wow. Ibso facto.

The multiverse. Yes. Yeah. Ant-Man. Ant-Man. Wantsomania. There you go. And that's how the world works, guys.

So thanks. That's our show. Bro's got to go. There's got, Sutton leaves, and reads to read in a confessional, sorry that your business fail and mine don't, sorry that I had a clean divorce and you didn't, sorry for your problems, but your problems are not my problems and I'm done with being your punching bag. So why I wrote that down, it's mean there is some truth to it, but there's also some need of self-reflection.

It was a very loaded confessional, because on one hand, hand, I agree, Dorit has taken some things out on you. However, why has she taken things out on you? You haven't been awesome. You interrupted her when she was talking about her son talking about divorce. Yeah, I took it as a sort of like a proclamation for Sutton that she's done. Oh, this is the line in the sand.

She's done with Derreet, and I don't think she gives a shit anymore, and based off of what we saw of the midseason trailer and what we see for like next week's episode, I think that's true. I think she just, I think she genuinely just doesn't care about Dorit anymore. Because if I'm Sutton, I would think the same. same thing. Sure. I'm coming over here.

Let's see if we're going to do this whole fucking song and dance where you tell me that you're sorry for this or whatever. And then two weeks from now, we're still fighting about something else because we just don't get along and we're very different people. Fine. Whatever. We can do that because we do it in every show. This went way differently than what she thought.

I think that she was thrown through a loop walking in there thinking, all right, we're going to do this. We didn't do that. DeRite was mean to you, made a comment that obviously is going to upset you. You end up leaving. You don't care anymore. I feel like it's normal. and that's human nature.

So I'm happy. I took it as a proclamation like she's fucking done with three. Okay, I can see that. I like that. Not in like a, I'm going to ignore her way. Like I'm going to go after her way. Well,

the speculation is that the second half of this season Sutton takes on a villain arc. Yeah. So is this the moment, is this when Anakin Skywalker fell down in the lava and got burnt to a crisp and then he merged as Darth Vader? I mean, hopefully,

I don't think that Sutton, there was a very big shoes to fill. Massive. Yeah. I'm just trying to give an analogy. I'm trying to give an analogy that our fan base will understand. Seriously.

Oh, good. No, we definitely have some stories. Our fan base is way more like Trekkies. Oh, you guys Trekkies? Star Wars people? Yeah. Live long, prosper, bro. Long and prosper, bro.

What's the Star Wars slogan? In a galaxy far, far away. Maybe, yeah, could be. They say it everything. But we're back with everybody chit-chatting and Garcel fills them in, Sutton left. She didn't feel welcome, which I thought was an important thing to say,

because I, again, I feel like the onus is on the host. If you're going to invite her, I do think you need to be the bigger person and make her feel welcome. Unless this was your plan all along, which it might have been, I don't think it was, and we're almost to upstairs

where I will tell you my whole theory on Derreit and what happened here. Can't wait for that. But she brings up the bitch comment once again, and Garcalf points out, so you let it off with, of course there's vodka in that drink. Like you did the same thing you did last year.

You knew, and that's the thing. Doreet's not dumb, right? Like, you knew, you're going to garner reaction. Which is why you said it. Exactly. But this is the moment, especially when I'm like, all right, Bose, we need to do a little more digging before you jump into this one.

Because Bose is like, how does that equal calling her a bitch? I'm like, exactly. You don't know why because you weren't here last year, which is fine. But also, she jumped in at a weird time, too, because I thought that Doreet, like, we want to hear what Doreet's reasoning is. Yes. I want to hear her explain what she thought she was doing. Was it a joke?

Was it not a joke? are you trying to take a dig? Why are you going after Sutton when you invite her over to your house? Those are the things I want to answer right now. I don't need Bose jumping in right now. Not right here. This is where I'm like, all right, Bose.

That is where you need to stop. Yeah, that's where you need to stop. I don't want to hear it right now because you are, you were just accused of being the spokesperson, so don't jump in now because it's not like Dorit is like frowning. No, she's fine. She's fine.

She's answering. She's not. She thinks she is. Yeah, but like she's going to have to answer for her crimes. Yeah, so let's hear it from Doret. read but Garcel calls her out.

She's like, how are you going to call us rude when you don't know what the situation is? And both, and this is what she does and this is part of the reason that we love her. Like she's a great, great cast member for this. Even in this episode, did I think that she was right doing some of this stuff?

No, was entertaining? Fuck yeah. Absolutely. So her saying here, she's like, I just call it like I see it. It's like fair. You do do that. But you run the risk of, you run the risk of doing that

and not having the full story and you leave yourself open to some backlash. I don't think she cares about the backlash, though. Oh, she doesn't. I don't think she ever will. No, she doesn't. That's the vibe that I get from her that she's just going to keep going like this.

Which is fine. Which is great. I like that. Be true to yourself. Be unapologetic. She's done that from day one, and that's great. I'm just saying as far as factions forming, as far as potential arguments we may have in the future

and people not getting along, that's going to be a thing only because she didn't take the time to at least understand, hey, last year there's this huge deal. She accused Sutton of being an alcoholic, so that's why that insult carried a little bit more weight. I think that Bose would hear that and take it and probably be like, okay, that's fucked up, but she still called her a bitch in her own house. There's like two sides to it.

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Uh, Dave, you're Huff mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. But Garcel brings up the cold comments about Kyle. And she's like, you know, we just haven't really connected.

And for Kyle to say, I feel like we have. I'm like, no, you don't. Yeah, this was dumb. This was forced. We know what you were doing at Bose's after the surgery. Damage control. We know what you were doing throughout it. And, like, yes, I get it.

Let's not think about that after, the post-surgery thing. Otherwise, it's very surface level. It's all been servic level. And the things that we know about Bose. And look, maybe this is just the benefit of being able to watch it on TV. Probably. She's pretty deep. Oh, yeah.

Her first introduction to a lot of these women, to read especially, is talking about all of the things going on in their lives. Kyle's not. But to Kyle's credit, Kyle's not talking about her life to anyone. Yet. I know. And she will. But she hasn't been up and.

point. I agree. So she is very surface level right now. That is the best that Kyle can do. The problem is that Kyle has now thought that she's grown attached or rather understood who Bose was and thought that they were getting closer because she was being surface level.

She doesn't realize that she hasn't. Well, she also doesn't realize that Bose is seeing through the bullshit. Yeah. She's like, I thought we connected. Why, because you brought her flowers and then shit on Dorit's flowers? Yeah. Like, do you think that was going to work? Because you sat next to her at the spa day and you just commented on the weather? Yeah. Also, like, yeah, you literally talked about the most surface level thing ever.

It's nice out. I don't think that, see, here's the thing. If she called her out for the Doreet stuff and actually said, I know you came over here just to get ahead of all of that so that you could potentially get me on your team, I don't fuck with that, fine. But calling her cold is weird, just saying, like, maybe you're distant or we haven't gotten to know each other. I think that's fair game, but calling her cold. I don't think the call's been cold. Well, that's the thing. So then you add into the fact that she's tight with Doree.

yeah because distant isn't as harsh yeah cold implies that somebody's not very cool yeah right which is an oxymor i think it's just based off of like i think that it's a combination i think that also you have in a person with bows like we know that she doesn't she's not going to say things that she doesn't mean yeah she's not going to overextend herself she lets people flounder if somebody puts themselves in an awkward spot and puts their foot in their mouth yeah sutton Kyle, she sits back and lets it play out. Marcel, when she came over to report on Kyle's text message. Exactly. Like, that's what she does really well is like, okay, go.

If you want to keep talking, I'm going to allow you to. And then she formulates her opinion from that. So I could get cold from the fact that she comes over to my house after I have surgery. I have fibroids removed. That's fair. And she's going to take a dig at Dorit, who brought me flowers first. But cold to Dorit, not cold to Bose is my point. I think that's just, that's, again, that's Bose stepping up to be protective over Doree. Sure. So it's the same thing.

We're just back to where we were. Yeah. And I think Bo's, like, her breakdown of the situation is correct. Like, you have not opened up about your life. Yeah. You opened up. Everyone else has, or the people I'm connected with at least have talked a little bit about their life.

You haven't said shit. And she hasn't. And she's like, well, I feel like you've been hard on me. And it's like, no, let's go back and watch the montage. She hasn't been heard. You have not done a good job of presenting a good version of yourself. Right. Been vindictive, vengeful, trying to get ahead of things.

things like that's a bad way to play it especially with a person like Bose who doesn't put up with bullshit yeah so i think that's where you're going to get the cold comments but durit out of left field because she's emboldened by our friend oh yeah she's strong she jumps in and she's like i don't know what's going on with you i don't know what's going on with you it's it's like what the fuck like where did that come from and kyle obviously gets upset but i even wrote down der reet with bows is in quotes strong and very annoying yeah yeah yeah that's pretty much what it is too. This is where DeReed just needs to stay out of it.

Yes. What are we doing? We just, the last conversation that we saw the two of them have is on the beach when they said they're going to work on their friendship. Jumping in right now because Bose has been defending you, you're trying to defend Bose. Bose doesn't need your,

she doesn't need your help. She does not need your help at all. And again, this is your house. You've got all the power. You don't need to jump in right now and just immediately start tag teaming Kyle. Well, you make, it doesn't work.

It makes no sense. It doesn't make any sense. Kyle's, her tone is elevated. Yeah. It's not screaming. No. Especially, we've seen Kyle yell. No.

This is very, she's just trying to get a point across. She's like, I love this group of women is so funny, though, with the screaming. I know. At any time that somebody raises their voice a little bit, it's like, hey, enough of the screaming. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is a housewife show. This is my home. This is my home.

There's four kids over there. I don't know where the fifth one went, but there's four kids over there on a water slide. He fell off the back of the slide. He's stuck in between the wall. He found the hole where the fan goes in. He kind of crawled in there. Yeah, he's stuck inside of the whole thing. But thrice.

Not once, not twice, but thrice. Oh, do you need to scream? Do you need to scream? Ah, like, it's like nails on it. I hate when people do this stuff. That's the worst form of gaslighting, too. It's my least favorite. Yeah, it drives me.

So you need to scream, and Kyle's like, I'm not, I'm not screaming. I'm not screaming. And Doree, I would say quadruples down at this point. She's like, do we need to start fresh? Because I need to know. Kyle, I need to know because we sell on the beach that we're going to start from. I need to know, Kyle. I'm like, dude, what the fuck?

Everything was fine. Everything was cool. She's trying to get a point across right now with Bose, by the way. This has nothing to do with you, Doreet. And you're just pissed off because she went to check on Sutton, which is, you know, again, as you said earlier, everyone checks on everybody when somebody storms out. So you're trying to pick a fight just to pick a fight,

whether it's to back up bows, it doesn't need your help, or it's because you feel empowered because you finally have a friend that has your back. I'm not entirely sure. But jumping down Kyle's throat here was so strange. And in my head, I'm like, oh, fuck, here we go. Kyle's going to storm out.

They're not going to talk. We're back to square one. And I was flummoxed when I saw this happen. Kyle takes a second, catches her breath, calms down, and says, look, we did start fresh at the beach. And we're going to start fresh. We just need to be able to move. I was stunned. I was like, oh, my God, what just happened?

I thought she was going to leave. So did I. I figured, all right, Sutton's already out of here. I'm out. She's left for three years, and she doesn't. She reels it in, and that's the other thing. In this dynamic that we have between Kyle and Doreet, Kyle will always and forever have the upper hand,

because Doreet so desperately wants to be friends with Kyle forever. Because Kyle was able to dial it back, I think that knocked Doreet's guard off, and she's like, oh, shit, Kyle? Like, oh, my God, are we having a moment? We're having a real moment? Like, holy shit, let's go upstairs. Let's go upstairs right now. We're going to talk about everything.

Yeah, come on, come on. Let me grab a couple pictures of PK from the shrine. Hold my hand, hold my hand. Let's go, and they go upstairs together. Let me show you my shoes. Yeah, but it was what we've needed from Kyle. It is what we've been waiting for from Kyle. I don't know if Augusta is what took her nails off.

Watching Sutton and her mom say, I love you. Maybe, like something softened her up and brought her back down to Earth here. I don't know if it's that feeling of not wanting to go home and be alone. Something happened. I was thinking it was, yeah. Yeah. Now maybe she doesn't want to lose her friends. So now she'll make the effort to calm it down because you do always and forever have the power to settle Dorit down and move forward.

But you have to take control because now we see what it looks like when Durit tries to take control and it's a disaster. Yep. So they go upstairs to have their first real buddy buddy moment in, like I said. About the thing that they're both going through. That we've been waiting for them to talk about. Yes. That they can finally see each other in. We've been waiting for this, and obviously we did have to get out of the way of all the bullshit that happened in the offseason of Kyle saying that Doreet's not a real friend and they haven't ever really been friends, all that dumb shit that nobody really believed.

No one cared to you. We got through all of that. We had a little breather. We had a little bit of a blow up. And now we can finally sit down and talk about it because guess what, guys, you have a lot in common. Literally, who could have seen that comment? Literally everything. Yeah.

Your situations are so shockingly similar, except on one hand, one's like a billionaire. international realtor. Yep. In the other hand, it's an English guy that managed boy George 40 years ago and is foreclosing

on a home. That's different, but everything else is the same. But when they get upstairs, the entire day made sense. Everything top to bottom, how she treated Sutton,

this weird chip she had in her shoulder all day, everything became crystal clear when I saw what upstairs looked like. Because Dorit's not a messy person. She is an OCD person. She keeps things very neat, very tight, it's in their place, organized. Upstairs looked like a frat house.

Yeah, it looked like a bomb went off in there. There's shoes everywhere. There's boxes. Her orchid is dead. It was an absolute mess. That upstairs, the upstairs and the downstairs when you compare the two. Yep. Upstairs, that's Dorit.

Yep. Downstairs is the image that Dorit is trying to portray. Exactly. K and I are fine. Look at these pictures. I just need to have some fun in my life. for having a fun party, but the party is overshadowed by her

attitude the entire time because she's not the world. And the terrible watermelon drinks. So you go upstairs and you see behind the curtain, this is what's going on with Doreet. Not only that, we have somebody in Kyle who had this moment in her own house. And now we have the first ever real connection between these two

about this topic where Kyle's like, I had similar things happen. I wasn't sure where to put my shit. And I didn't want to use Mo's closet because something at just felt weird. She's like, oh, do you expect him to come back? She's like, I don't even know. It just felt weird to replace his shit. And slowly but surely, I started to overtake the closet. Now that's also my closet. These are the moments that we've wanted between these. Yeah. Yeah. Just getting an update on either of them, too, because we've had such a hard time with Kyle

trying to open up about what she's going through. She goes to her confessionals after seeing Mo. We know how she is. We know how she feels. But seeing her actually talked to read about it brings out more, shows us where she actually is, shows us where DeReed actually is. DeReed obviously found a friend in Bose, but she's not talking about all of those things because Bose doesn't know P.K. Yeah, she can't get, she knows like what's going on. Yeah, she can give her the generalized thing and like you'll get advice back from somebody like Bose, somebody like Erica.

Erica is staying out of it this year. Whatever, I don't care anymore. But this is something that we need to see where both of them actually are and then maybe it'll bring them back together. I still think there's going to be some animosity back and forth, but that, that, that just goes with the show at this point. I agree, because the way that they discuss the whole thing, the questions are raw, they're real, and they reiterate the questions until they get an answer.

And I think that they have the opportunity to do that because both of them understand what it feels like. So when Doret's like, are you okay? Like, do you want to be together? Do you want a divorce? And she's like, honestly, dude, I have no idea. She goes, I think we've been stalling. We're both trying to ignore it. We put this deadline in six months.

Doret's like, what does the six months do? She's like, I don't fucking know. they have no fucking clues like what are you doing she's like i don't know pk wants to he's wanted to divorce me pk's fucking 50 steps ahead of me and i feel like i need to catch up but i don't know how to catch up yeah and they're both like derit's like we need to live and k i was like well how the fuck do we do that it's like i don't know but this is a great goddamn start you team up with the other person going through the exact same thing is you stop letting mo and pk have all this fun because they're the assholes that are winning they should not be having more fun than you too the fact that they're out there

with no cares in the world, gallivanting around with 20-year-old Russian models smooching them outside of planes, while you two are upstairs afraid to clean out their closets is bullshit. You two should be living your best life. Look at you. You both are way more attractive than Mo and P.K. Go out there and have some goddamn fun together. Go tear up the town.

You live in Beverly Hills. You're rich. You're wealthy. Go to Aspen and do some stupid shit together. That would be so much more fun to watch than you two. That would actually be really fun to watch on TV, too. Yeah. I want to see these two figure out their steps forward together and have those moments together where they're able to be okay with their current situation by confiding in each other, leaning on each other, and winning. I want them to win between Doreet, Kyle, versus Mo and P.K. Those two dickheads should not be living their best life. All these two wallow, they wallow and squalor because they're afraid to get rid of.

of their men. Correct. Fuck those guys. They're nerds. You guys are awesome. Yeah. Hell yeah. See what happens, Kyle, when you're cool?

Like, the old Kyle fan in me jumps right back out. It sure does. Always does. I can't help it. But speaking of Russian models, we do get one of my favorite ways to end an episode. Oh, yeah. One week later. And you get this news press release and it says, Moe with Russian models.

And it's like him with this, like I said, 20-year-old Russian model, like making out with her in an airport. Yep. This is right off the heels of Kyle saying, I'm not really sure what we want, but every time I bring up to divorce, Mo is always like, no, no, it's too soon. It's too soon. I'm like, why?

Yeah. You want to be one of those? It's like a financial thing, I think. It has to be, right? I've got to get my ducks in a row. He's living my lawyers out. Yep. He's done moved on when he bought the furniture for the condo.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. But let's get to some questions. Vamos a Preguntas. First up here from Sam Carter 515. Is Dorete funny? No. She doesn't have a fun.

Funny bone in her body. No, she's not. The only time she's funny is when it's unintentionally funny. I don't know. She's had a couple funnies earlier this season when she was finding her stride, but now that she's drunk with power, it's no longer funny. Yeah, it's no longer funny. Reading this one, because we got our favorite,

which is a last name pronunciation. Hmm. From Jennifer McCumber, M-C-C-U-M-B-E-R, McCumber. That's what I would say. That's what we always say, but I appreciate it. Oh, she broke it down for us, though? Okay, thank you. Is it just me or is Sutton overplaying her hand against Doreet?

Not yet. I mean, in the scenes from next week, I think. The wallet comment will be overplaying her hand. If it goes how we all assume it's going to go. But that's, you know, that's something that you get with an activated Sutton. You run the risk of doing way too much. From Tina Jisler. And that's another pronunciation, G-I-Z-L-E-R.

There you go. This is we're hitting on all cylinders. Thanks, everybody. You have to be a living housekeeper for one of them. Who and why? Kyle, her house is immaculate every time I see it. Yep, I agree with that too. Although you have to take...

Well, you can train the dogs, finally. Oh. You know what? I would actually... Nothing would make me happier than training a housewife's dog to stop seeing these asshole dogs on TV. It's not their fault that they're ill-behaved, but everyone just puts up with it. Bronwyn still got shit on her floor, but it's okay.

How do we catch shit for that? Like, multiple people are, like, you don't even know how rich they are. It's like, they have dog piss on her floor. Yeah, what? From Coya Baby, has new Dorit, in quotes, expired, and was last night's episode one of the start of the reversion back to Winy DeRite? It depends on how this friendship with Kyle goes. Yeah, I still think that she's going to be drunk with power with Bose at her back.

I wonder. It's a new version of Winy DeReed. I wonder what's going to happen if now there's a power struggle. Yeah. She starts to be tight with Kyle again. And then her friendship with Bowes suffers. Yeah. We'll do two more here from Zoe Kudla Polay.

Didn't Kyle ask Sutton if there was alcohol in her ice tea earlier this season? Yes, she did. But the difference is I think that Kyle and Sutton could be friends. But was it in a, like it was. It was like the first or second episode with Kyle walked in the Sutton's house. Delivery, one, two. Doreet and Sutton. have been feuding all season.

So obviously he's not going to land the same as your friend, Kyle, saying it. And last one here from Corriere Passet. Was Bowes supposed to be to Sutton what Anne-Marie was supposed to be to Kyle, but bonded with Doreet instead? No. I don't think that Bose and Sutton get along in any universe. No. I just, you know, I think Sutton, that ship shale, ship-shaled. Ship-shaled.

She lost her chance out of the gate when she said, What did she say, don't, fuck, what did she say at the Viper Room? Don't weaponize me or something? Yeah, something like that. No, the minute she said that, Sutton shot herself on the foot. But, yeah, I don't think that that was the dynamic at all. I think Bose came in the show to stand alone and she's done from the jump. Anne-Marie didn't show up until episode four as Kyle's lackey.

And now she's suing the American Society of Anesthesiologist because they came out and said, you're not an anesthesiologist. Yeah. Which... And nobody cares, by the way, lady. Literally, nobody cares. I'm upset that you... You and your weird husband.

Who asked that question? Corriere Pose. Don't talk about Amory anymore. Yeah, let's not talk about it. We'd like to move on from her. Yeah, we don't like to... We got a Diana Jenkins shot tonight, though. I don't know.

I forgot about her. Yeah. Lips and everything. Oh, I didn't have to... Yeah, right. And that back up. I would bring Asher. Yeah.

I would bring Asher back to sing. So that we could have Erica sing over. But I'm singing the national anthem before the reunion. That would be awesome. I don't know. Let's pick a different song. You could sing, uh, just do the rendition of what did he sing? Oh, Holy Night?

Oh, Holy Night, probably. Is that what it was? That was a Christmas party song, that's what I'm assuming was. I can sing a Christmas song, Asher. Santa Claus is coming to town. What do you think he's up to right now? Dude, he's probably got like a band that isn't really that good, but he's got Diana to, like, pay for it.

He was traveling the world. He was traveling the world playing in like karaoke bars. You know his guitar player is? Who? Whitney. Yeah, that checks out. That's all. I got. You got anything else? Nope. Nope. That's our show. Bro's got to go. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom.

You want to tell him? Or you want me to tell him? No, no, no. I got this. People out there. People lean in. Get close. Get close. Listen. Here's the deal. We have big news. We got monumental news. We got spectacular news. After a brief hi, hi, it is my good friend Michael Ian Black and I are coming back. My good friend, Tom Kavanaugh, and I are coming back. My good friend, Tom Cavana, and I. are coming back to do what we do best. What we were put on this earth to do. To pick a snack.

To eat a snack. And to rate a snack. Beautically? Emotionally. Spiritually. Mates is back. Mike and Tom eat snacks. Is back.

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