Bros & Shows - Doute and Nia are Done With Janet (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

What's up Bros? We know that our Valley recaps have been a bit of a downer lately, but we just comment on how we're feeling about shows. This week was a better episode and at the end of the day we do believe there is a good show in here, production just needs to stop force feeding us bad storylines. In this episode, Janet takes it up a notch and Nia is getting fed up with her. Doute is also growing tired of the antics and it's all setting up for a big confrontation. Jason still holds Danny to this higher standard than Jax which is baffling. Luke struggles with his emotions as he gets ready to propose in the midst of his grandmother being very sick. Aaron joins the group in Maui and Jesse is ready to clarify just what the timeline of Aaron and Michelle looks like... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. well this episode secured it janet is the most miserable person on all of tv in the history of time she's the worst but i will say that this episode gave us a little bit more to laugh at and i'm

okay with that i'm not nearly as angry as i was last year bros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my bros and shows afternoon everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by the inevitable magutes what's up dude all it took apparently was a good old-fashioned circle jerk to get everybody back together god i couldn't wait to say that been sitting on that one since tuesday i don't know dude this show man what a wild ride this has been and like it's funny because like in our comments we have a lot of support for how we've been discussing this show.

We posted a couple of reels that got a decent amount of views and the vast majority of people concur with us. Three people don't. And those three people decided to leave a review on our Apple account. Yeah. It's like, if you don't like the valley and stop watching, it's like, shut up, nerd. We have to. Stop listening to us doing it, loser.

Yeah. If you have a problem with how we're covering it, then go away. I got to read these. we don't ask for these very often we try not to be annoying but if you're listening then you love us go on to an apple podcast and leave us a little five-star review it helps us out tremendously and it'll get rid of those idiots that uh that have an issue with how we're approaching the valley which again we have a lot of support with this angle so it's just jacks that's what it feels like like you read one of them this is these guys are so whiny uh that's not even about the

Valley. I guess we're just whiny bitches. I mean, that's true. Stop Bash of the Valley. It's great TV. Stop reviewing this show like the cast or your relatives. What? I know. It's wild. Start reviewing it like it's a scripted show with great writing. What are we talking about here? That's the craziest one. It's not a scripted show. And also like, if you don't like, this is, this is us being real. This is what this show is right now. And like, we're going to always come from the angle of honesty. This is how we've always done it. It's how we always we'll do it this show ain't it right now i i agree with you though this episode was a little easier to just like brush off and be like holy shit yeah yeah this show wasn't there this episode rather

was not nearly as heavy because it wasn't so jacks oriented and it didn't feel like it was heavily weighted on jacks is going to get some sort of redemption last week it seemed like we were kind of going that direction so of course we're going to call that out i mean we call that out anytime that a shitty guy or girl doesn't deserve a redemption so if they start shoving some weird like janet redemption down our throats that's going to be a problem as well because she's a deplorable human being when it comes to this show i have a theory about her um and it's not that crazy of a theory she's got to just be a completely different person off the show and she's got to be a completely different person before this show started recording for everybody to go yeah before

for everybody to go to their confessionals and say i just want fun janet back we're like where is fun janet we don't know who that is she seemed to have just changed her whole personality as soon as they started filming um yeah i wouldn't we're kind of too far gone for her to revert back for us to really trust it at this point and that's of her own doing but i with this episode in particular it was a lot easier to just kind of laugh things off and move forward and laugh at people that we don't like and obviously there are a lot of people on the show that we do like and support it's just always going to come back to will this show be able to survive another season if jacks is still here if Janet and Jason are still here.

I think if they tweak it a little bit, if you get rid of the duds, it still can be a really great show. And we can move forward and we're back on track. And you can get four or five seasons out of it, which realistically speaking, I think that's what they would want. I don't think they expect this to go 10 seasons.

It just doesn't seem like it's got the length of that sort of thing. And they're like 50s and shit. And that's wacky. And they're still expected to do the same shit that they were doing now, which is even crazy that they're doing it now. So, yeah, I think when they started the show, they were looking at it like yeah five six seasons if we really want to stretch it out

that could do it and then maybe you have a couple of spinoffs where we see christin as a mom when we see nia and danny's life and it just becomes a little bit more lighter and a little bit more fun and it's sort of like a quasi housewife show that's probably what they were thinking i agree but like ney and danny have a show built in four under four oh my god yeah done put it on tlc and you have a banger of a show but i agree with you and i think that that this show's not lost. It's not, I don't think it's screwed forever. I think you can write this ship.

They need to bring in different production, different producers, and they need to go with a different angle. Make it funny. Make it fun again. Just make it funny. And that is the thing. Obviously, you know, if you're one of those people that were listening to the last two, three episodes, really,

we were telling you exactly what was wrong with the show. And we were saying that it doesn't look like it's going to change and that's going to doom the show. But that being said, we covered a lot of different shows where we just sat here simply throwing our hands in there, saying, I don't know where they go from here. And that's where you lose us. That's where you lose the audience.

And that's where you lose pretty much the entire plot of the show and where we're going to go. We've seen a lot of that. And usually it's a housewife show. And then they retool and they get rid of a couple of housewives and just move on with their lives. We're worried because the weird alternative for this show is, okay, this isn't working.

This isn't working. Let's just hit the emergency button. Yeah, bring in Schwartz. Yeah, bring in Schwartz. Lala, Sheena, Brock, like everybody's just get involved. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to listen to the audience. That's not what we wanted. That's why we stopped with VPR.

It got too bad. So we moved on and we really like this show. So don't ruin this show with that. This show's not completely lost. We're just reading the writing on the wall. If you keep Jackson there and you let Janet and Jason do what they've been doing, which is producing and trying to do things, it's

going to doom the show and you're going to have nothing at the end of next season. That's all we're saying. So if they do listen to our concerns and everybody else is concerns it's not just us harping on this listen to everybody's concerns about what we're watching and make the necessary changes i don't know if you read the article that uh that came out about jacks needs to get fired again that was a pretty good article no but it sounds right yeah it just kind of person personified everything that we've been saying so that's good if they do that and they make the right moves you do still have something here for a few more years

that can be enjoyable and that will actually enjoy um they just have to make the right changes so it's not entirely doomed. It's just where they're heading and the way that they're doing it, it seems like it can be doomed. Yeah, and we're nervous because we love the show. So we're giving our thoughts and feelings on what could potentially help. As far as Janet goes, I have two takes on it. One, I do think that she's shifted for the worst because of the show.

I don't think we're getting a different Janet off screen as we are on screen. I think it's just a different Janet. But I also think that it depends on who. who you are is the Janet that you know because multiple people on the show have said, this has always been Janet. The people that are close to Janet that we're friends with Janet are like, who is this Janet? I want old Janet back.

So there's somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, I think this side's always been there if she doesn't like you. But I think that now everybody's getting it. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's, you're right. So I think you're right with the multiple people who have said, this is the Janet that I've

always known. Correct. I think we're getting that side 100% of the time instead of, you know, except the 1% of the time when she's at Dave and Busters, which was the only enjoyable part of the season for Janet. Yeah, we gave her credit too. We gave her credit for that one, but I think that she needs to find a better balance

because she's completely just misfired. And she's not wrong. If your life is boring, you do need to play up a different side of yourself for TV. Yeah, but it's not being such an asshole. You just have to stop being such an asshole all the time. Be an asshole when it's appropriate. Be an asshole when it's really going to hit.

You can't just take a bunch of shots and hope that one or two of them are going to stick because we're just going to remember the 98 shots that you took that you missed. You're only shooting 2%. That's not good enough for us. No, we need at least 10% from the floor at the very least. But she is a very low percentage shot right now. And it was kind of highlighted by this episode. And that's arguably why I didn't mind this episode was just seeing how outlandish it is.

I'm like, all right, you're going to lose everybody now because your behavior is indefensible. Yeah. And people are starting to like get fed up. and you're seeing reactions now where before it was like Janet goes in a tirade Janet leaves nothing happens

now it's like okay people are starting to be like fuck you and fuck this okay cool I'm on board to watch that I'm on board for Mia jumping in Doty and it could help straighten out her behavior

maybe it's you know a little inauthentic but it goes a long way for the viewer if you're able to push back on her and she has to reassess how she handles things I don't care if it's fake it's really really tough to watch when she's doing that all the time.

She just seems to be zero to 100 with insults and going after people's marriages all the time. You can't do that. It's not enjoyable TV. No, and it's hypocritical as shit. But let's jump in. Luke and Doty are at home talking about their future plans and all that.

They're both on the same page. And you can tell that these two, they're in it to win it. They are, this is real. I love seeing that they're both happy. The fact that Luke's like, I'm here forever. like so let's make this whole thing official obviously we're getting ready to head to maui for the big

engagement but we check you with dany nia zach and benji who are coordinating the engagement in maui because everybody knows detective doughty and everybody wants to keep her off the scent here Zach almost blows it later by the way yeah come on bro like you can't be throwing hints out there to jasmine now jasmine's asking questions that's keep it close to the chest pal like what are we doing hints no hints are needed but i guess that can't help itself too i know and he also sniffed it out where he was like you're you're acting different luke like what's going on and he figured out this whole thing but the big question is how do we invite janet and jason who's going to yeah do that you would think and they did have the uh the blueprint for how they were going to

invite christin to her own engagement and they had that kind of squared away and it looks like it's pretty much working obviously like you said zach kind of sniffed it out and I would not trust Zach with any secret ever. He's just he looks like the type of guy that, and he's incredibly nice, but he looks like the type of guy who's just bursting at the seams as soon as he gets too excited. He's too happy.

And yes, I want you to be excited for me. But Jesus, dude, just keep a lid on it. Like, how can be not? Like the hint of like something big's happening, but I can't tell you. Like something big's happened. I can't tell you. It's like, that's too much.

That right there is the right approach. When it comes to John and Jason, we said this last year, can't disinvite or uninvite people who are going on a cast trip i don't give a shit if it's for your baby moon i don't equally i don't care if it's for christin's engagement it's a cast trip now there's one person that absolutely cannot go he says it's of his own accord it is not for sure but there's one person that can't go and that's fine but when it comes to janin and jason yes there's beef going on i'm going to be an equal opportunist here and say you can't just look at these two on the cast

go on a cast trip and say no you guys have to stay home they do need to be there so i agree this is the right approach. It was. It 100% was. But I thought even in this moment that Luke was going to give it away because the instant that they invite them to Hawaii, he's like, ooh, I'm like, Ruminate for a sec. Oh, Hawaii, interesting. He's just like, yeah. I'm like, okay. I disagree with that actually. I think that he's always been kind of awkward. And obviously this is for the cast. Keep it awkward. Yeah, that's how Kristen sees it. That's definitely how it's going to have to keep it. I just, I don't want him to give it up. That's all. Okay, I see your approach.

He always gave it up later, but yeah, yeah. Let's get to the Louis Ruelas men's group. They're meeting together at, I don't know how this was. Yeah, the warrior group. And it's Jesse Scott the Life Coach who's getting a whole lot of screen time. Is he a friend job at this juncture? It must be. He's got to be getting paid.

Do you think he's just in it for like free publicity, free marketing, or do you think he's actually getting paid by Bravo? Both. Oh, man. At a certain point, if you're on screen X amount of times, I feel like that is a, like, an issue if you're not paying. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know the rules. I don't know. He's not lawyers. Brain works out. He's probably like, me as a man, I'm not going to go to Bravo and ask them to pay me. I'm going to be here. And when they offer, then I'll sit down at the table. I need to know my work as a man.

Like, that's probably how his brain works. That wouldn't be surprised. but it's the whole dude's group and you get a montage of all the shit that's popped off this season there's a lot of people at fault here okay a lot of guys have gotten into bullshit that probably didn't need to happen

they've been rude to each other shit's a little chaotic obviously I feel like jack set the tone for the whole group not that I'm actually not placing blame on him here I'm just saying are that no one else can get to so all of the dumb right bad shit that others have done they're like at least I'm not jacks Exactly. Like, it could be so much worse, but he set this bar so high that other people are following. It's just messy. They're all being messy, and it's starting to boil over. So they're trying to solve this whole thing.

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Jacks again, and he's going to do this every time as trying to get the sympathy card. He keeps saying, you know, it's just a lot. I just got a rehab. I got served with papers. It's like, oh, that's of your own doing. So I don't feel bad for you at all. So just shut that hell up.

But we're going to do an exercise. You're going to put your hand on my chest. And let me say before we get into this whole thing, and you know me, I'm a big advocate for men being emotional. and talking about the feelings and being open with one another. I think it's important. This was comical. I couldn't take this seriously.

It's like all these idiots and I put your hand in my chest and you're going to say, you did this and it made me feel this. Okay, cool. Luke and Jesse was going to. The problem with this is you have a bunch of narcissistic men who won't take accountability. So Luke and Jesse go, and Jesse's upset because of your blind loyalty to your soon-to-be fiancé. made me really mad and i was angry and i made me feel angry and i'm going to let that go oh thanks i don't think this was fucking real i i really don't i think this was a because one this happened

so long ago two you've been so much worse to your wife or your ex-wife at this point that all of the things that like predated that should be null and void we shouldn't still be thinking or talking about it and i even in a weird way i don't even think like jessey really wanted to do this. I feel like this was a, hey, we all kind of have to go and be involved. Otherwise, why are we all here? And it's my house. How do we figure it out the best way to get the two of you involved who seemingly don't really have a whole lot of issues going on with the other guys in the group? All right. Why don't you guys just do this? And we know that Jesse and Luke have become friends over the last couple of months, even to we here. So it's sort of like a throwaway.

Like, all right. What can we do here? The way that Luke was looking is like, all right, Because it's not Luke's, it's like, okay, you guys were barking at my girlfriend. Like they were yelling at Doty. He stands up for Doty. And you have a problem with quote unquote blind loyalty to that's how it's supposed to be, friend. Like behind closed doors, Luke can be like, and he does. Behind closed doors, he questions Kristen.

And he's like, hey, we can't do that. We even told him to stop doing it in confessionals. Like, dude, do it to her face behind closed doors when it's just the two of you and the camera, fine. But for your own safety and sanity, don't go on the confessional by yourself and start saying that she was wrong. No, let's just do it to her face. It's okay. Say it to her face. But like, that's my whole point.

But he exemplifies what being a good partner is in the moment because of course you take her side blindly. And then later you're like, yeah, what the fuck was that? But in person, you obviously do. But Jesse has an issue with that. He's like, I'm willing to let that go. Oh, thank you, Jesse. Thanks, Jesse. I think that's, it's so funny because it's so hypocritical. Jesse also did the same thing for Michelle, who he's, suspected was cheating on him at the time and Kristen brought it to light he then was a blind loyal member of the Michelle party and made sure that he stood up for his wife so that's actually more

difficult if you really did think that your wife was cheating on you and you're still blindly supporting her that's the same thing it's actually much deeper than what Luke was doing so he's willing that's why I was like he's willing to let it go and you know what we should be willing to let it go I'm willing to let it go. We can figuratively put our hands on each other's chest and we can let it go together, buddy. Let's just go ahead. There we go. I do feel a lot better.

I really miss down. I do too. I feel like this is a better energy this episode. But let's get to Jacks because he goes and he starts crying and he starts crying. And he does the usual, you know, I'm angry and I take it out on others, blah, blah, blah. And you could argue that these are genuine feelings because he is crying the minute that he steps up. But again, my issue with all of this. that he didn't put his hand on Scott's chest.

That's it. That's my only issue. Yep, that's all. No. The fact that, again, like, they're showing this scene in an attempt to garner sympathy and empathy for Jacks Taylor. And it's like, you've got to stop. Like, I don't care. I don't feel bad for him in this moment because, again, everything that he's saying

is all his own doing and he's still not taking accountability. Every chance he gets, he's still placing blame. You guys didn't do it. She didn't do this. You didn't do that. I talked about it last week. I think I'm going to, for my own well-being, start looking at it like the producers, which is just simply not true, knowing these producers, but I'm going to start thinking that they're

showing us this so that we can laugh at him and we can ridicule him. Okay. Like they're, it's almost like, I don't even want to, I can't even go as far to say that they're holding him accountable for his actions because they're not at all. Bravo as a whole is not. But for my own well-being, I'm going to choose to think that they're showing us this. I'll do that. how big of a piece of shit he is and how much he's not taking ownership because even in this moment all he's talking about is a wo is me moment like i'm going through so much right now and i just don't know how to handle it that might be true but all of it is your own doing and until you actually own up to the things you've done to brittany you know in lieu of going to see your son which you still haven't seen yet because you've been out of rehab for a week at this point you're still not making an effort all of those things are your own doing so i don't feel no one should feel bad for you in this

moment like we don't have to go overboard and just like completely bash them nobody should feel bad for you that's all because what are you doing and again the exercise is to put your hand on the man's chest and you're not even the whole thing is to let things go with one person individually and you're making this a group moment and a whole like population moment a life everybody in the world just is wishing on my downfall and i'm going through a really tough time you need to at least put your hand out you got to feel those emotions you got to feel everything just damn that scott is symbolic of the whole world fucking scott's like everyone's so proud of you i'm proud of you you're so you're doing everything that's like shut up shut up you don't even know what's going on spewing for the last couple

episodes i know fucking get a grip we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna empathize with jacks but we're gonna throw danny under the bus again because in this scene danny and jason going obviously there's some things there that they need to sort out and i like that When Danny's saying his side of things, he's not saying, I shouldn't have said this. He's saying the setting wasn't right. Like, I shouldn't have done it there. It's the same as an apology distinction, which is important because I agree. Like, Janet's going to push you over the edge and you react.

And then they both act like you're a crazy alcoholic that just spouts off shit, which is not true. So in this scene, Jason's not in a place to let it go. okay Jason and fuck off here's my thing because Jason's big issue is like the stuff you said about my wife blah blah blah Jason two people in your life that you thought you were

the closest to Jasmine Danny have said identical things about your wife and yet your wife is not at fault in the slightest you're going I get this goes back to the blind loyalty thing in person sure maybe that's why they did it

maybe but like The whole thing you look at it from like a third party perspective, it's like, brother, what do you want here? Because you're mad at these people, but at the same time, they've both said the same thing and the same experience with your wife on two separate issues. The funniest part being, Janet keeps holding on to this ass grabbing thing. The two people that are mad at Janet are Jasmine and Danny, who were involved in the ass grabbing incident who have moved on from it. So when he wants to get all up in arms, and not move forward and he brings up Danny's drinking, or I guess Jesse brings up the drinking and the hiding of it.

And I agreed that the hiding is a problem. And when Scott gets more into it, and he's like, are you going to the bar and saying you had one drink, but you're having three? And Dan is like, yeah, it's like, okay, so that's kind of problematic as well. Yeah. But what happens is not what needs to happen because the group starts attacking Danny

and is drinking. It's like, no, no, no, no. For multiple reasons, this is the wrong approach. Because if Danny really does have an issue with alcohol, and I would agree that his relationship with alcohol needs to be addressed a little bit, I wouldn't go as far to call him an alcoholic. Right. But he should be a little more introspective on what's going on with the booze. For sure. What we don't need is a bunch of idiots that also have weird relationships with alcohol, sitting there together and condemning what he's doing and acting like he's such a bad person because what that does to somebody that's struggling with alcohol is push them closer to alcohol.

So we don't need this group to be the AA group for Danny because that's a disaster waiting to happen. And all of these guys are jumping on. And at the end of the day, I figured it out. And I think you've known this. I've known this for a while. But it's becoming more and more evident. Everyone in the group is jealous of Danny and Nia. Everybody's jealous of their relationship, their marriage, they're happy, they're successful, all of these things.

And they're not really dealing with the same fallout that the rest of the group has to deal. with because when shit pops off, they go behind closed doors and they handle business and have a conversation. They're not having moments like Janet and Jason or everyone's like this person sucks, you suck, this sucks. So now that they have the opportunity to kind of jump on Danny because of the alcohol, because of the issue with Jasmine, they're taking the most advantage of it and pouring on as much as they possibly can.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. And Danny, as much as I want him to stand 10 toes down and not do it. any of this it's it's not the right time and it's not the right setting uh it could be the right time if there were the right people there if he had that one supporter if zach was there supporting that's exactly what i was thinking because luke does feel the same way but luke has a lot going on as we find out later in the episode and we already know that he's dealing with a lot he's dealing with a lot right now he's not in a place to really stand up and do that we've seen jesse kind of play the middleman a little bit if not leaning towards the danny what are you doing type of situation he's leaning on jack's side more

And Jacks is going to blow up and it's going to give Jacks an opportunity to just push his own fucking bullshit onto somebody else. So it's not going to work here. And Danny can't hold his own. Danny is not like other people in the group that can hold their own. You do need to do it in a setting where Zach's there. Where, you know, Nia's there. She's starting to get her ground. Kristen's there.

She can stand up for you. So there's certain situations where it can work, but this is not the time to do it. So I do like that he at least does his own version of that by pretty much just doing the same thing that he didn't as a pot. text if you want to call it that not saying i'm sorry i shouldn't have said that saying it wasn't the right time it wasn't the right place i let things kind of get ahead of me and blah blah blah whatever it might be and he's not really reactionary towards all the drinking comments he's just kind of letting it roll off because it was good it was better that he just bit the bullet there yeah just bite the bullet because in this setting nothing's going to get done and the cards are stacked

against you i mean who the fuck is this guy i don't know i don't understand why we're all going to sit down we're going to kiss we're going to circle jerk and then everybody's going to feel better You know, we'll have that post, not clarity, and then we can kind of get through it. That's pretty much what Scott's doing. That's his lesson here. But, yeah, as much as I want Danny to stand up for himself, can't do it here. Not the right setting. You're right.

You're right. Meanwhile, Sheena and all the girls get together for God. This is Janet. This scene is Janet. Yep. It's the best way I can say it. Everyone's out to a Mexican restaurant. They even separate accordingly.

Like, that's the thing that you. you'll notice about Doty and Nia, if they don't want to be involved with the issues or the drama, they will attempt to separate from the drama. They sit all the way at the other end of the table, just those two. And they're kind of talking amongst themselves. They're just like, you know, they shit with Janet suck, blah, blah, blah. Nia goes to a confessional. She's like, yeah, Jan and I are definitely not good.

And she is starting to get, Caddy's not the right word because that implies that she's in the wrong. she's starting to stand up for herself in a way that we really haven't seen and those are the things that can make this show better. It's like, all right, people are sort of activated. Right. And we've kind of been waiting for that moment so to see it finally boil over and her

I was nervous that when she would, every time she gets into an altercation would get too emotional and cry just because she's such a nice person and saying like, oh, she's so emotional. I'm just saying she's nice and doesn't like this kind of stuff. She's starting to hold her own. She is starting to hold her own. She is starting to hold her

own and you really do have to be a special type of asshole to push somebody who is as nice as Nia is to this breaking point to this point where she's got some sort of realization of you know what I am strong enough to hold my own against this asshole I am going to say some things yes she's going to cry at the end but every time that she does it she cries a little bit less she gets a little stronger so what you're doing is just setting her up for a good practice round where once we hit that major and we're going to see that in Hawaii I'm sure she's going to be able to stand her own and she's not going to be emotional she's not going to break down she's not going to be fucking hammer she's starting to build walls which is she's also not good which is also

not very good but it is pushing her to a point that we never really thought that we'd see her and i'm sure she didn't see herself getting to that point but you do have to have some sort of self-defense mechanisms when you're going up against somebody like janet who's just relentless and then her apologies mean absolutely nothing so it's good to see i'm a little worried for her personal life just because it's so nice to see for the show and this is why we've said that diana do need to run away but it is good to see from the show perspective because we can't keep letting janet get away with this she's not involved in these things you're just it you're you're implicating yourself just for yourself to have a storyline for

yourself to be important and it's just so fucking tiring so she does need to get bopped as much as possible and she is power hungry and i don't know what happened she got drunk with power at some point you're literally drunk actively going to drag Kristen Doty into this? Yeah. Who do you think you are? She's getting way big for her britches, dude. She's getting too cocky.

And that's where Doty has done an exceptional job of staying her usual emotions when it comes to this stuff. She's done a really good job of not diving in all the way and playing as neutral as she can, trying to. That's the funniest part when this scene breaks down is old Doty would have jumped on the table. And, like, went in. She's not doing all those things.

But, like, before we get there, just to point out again with Nia, she's, she's starting to call things out, too, the fact that Janet focuses on everyone else's relationship, but we never hear about hers. And she's like, hmm, interesting. I'm like, there you go. Start to dig a little bit. Peace it together. We like that.

Jasmine says, to Doty, it's like, what's going on with Hawaii? It's like, it sounds like there's some surprise. Zach told me there's a surprise coming. I was like, what the hell? Zach, like, shut up, man. Like, we love you. but if you're going to tell somebody who's going to Hawaii who you know is going to be around the person who's going to be surprised you have to go all in like tell her what's going on

if you're going to just present a surprise she's going to start asking about it just spill the you need to just spill the full beans so then at least she knows like yeah it's still going to get back to you if she is to somehow like unveil the secret to doty before we even go to hawaii then that's kind of it's definitely on jasmine but it's kind of on zack too and then it's It's okay. But if she's going to do something like this, this is fully on Zach. Like you got to go all in or pull all out.

Those are your two options. Yeah, it is. Yeah, those are the options. Such is life, you know, but it's just tease,

you know. Michelle, oh God, Michelle starts the drama off because she brings up the fact that people are talking about my boyfriend and who he blinked, staring directly at Doty. And it's like, calls her out.

And she blames Doty for it. He's like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Like, I had nothing to do with that. And she reiterates it's like, I am not getting involved in anybody's relationship. And she hasn't all season long.

She's been thrown under the housewarming party and she invited her friends. I know. So it's crazy to me. And we get a cut scene in a confessional and Zach's like, me, I said that. I pointed it out. I told Jesse, Doty just always takes the rap for it. And out of left field, out of fucking nowhere. Janet decides to get involved and she was like what'd she say you went behind her back and said she was having it implied she was having an affair it's like first and foremost dody during that dinner last season when all of that came out and she said you have a boyfriend for a year was antagonized the entire dinner got fed up stormed off and pulled at dody and yelled some shit out that was true by the way so for janet to be up in arms it's like yeah okay

Michelle cheated. Why is Doty the villain here? Because you guys were poking and prodding and she just said something that's 100% true. But now she's going to get in trouble because of what? Because you like Michelle better? Like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's unbelievable. And the other thing that with Michelle, when she's talking about Jenna and she's talking about

why is she, now she's going to start coming around. This is just her big moment. Jenna's been around since the VPR days. Nobody knew who Michelle was until last year. So, like, let's, let's pump the brakes on that one. And again, Zach is the one who did it. Zach set it up. Doty was just having a housewarming party and invited her friends.

She invited all of her friends that live nearby. You guys were all invited, as were her actual friends. Jenna's one of them. That's really just how it worked out. Doty's not involved in this. And if Doty says, I didn't say anything or do anything, then she didn't say anything or do anything. She's the ultimate stands on business. If she did something a little nefarious, if she went around your back, which, you know,

She didn't really go behind your back to say that. She said it right to your face. Then she's going to cop to it right away. So again, why are we doing this? Why are we poking the bear? Michelle, I know you're at a really weird place with your mom or is it her mom or grandmom? I think it's her mom. It's her mom.

It's Isabella's grandma. I was confused about now. We've got Luke's grandma. So, yeah, I know you're going through a lot with your mom. You're going through a lot with Jesse. Fine. You can kind of somewhat get a little bit of a pass on there because I gave her a pass. I kind of see it where it's, you know, it's Doty's party.

But Janet getting involved, what are we doing here? You just saw an opportunity. Your head has gotten so big that you think that you're impervious to these things. You are okay because you can hold your own with people like Nia who are very nice and will get emotional. You are okay because you can hold your own and play, you know, different corners here and there with people like Danny and Jasmine and a couple other people. Fine, whatever. You're not really going to try to pull Doty into this, right? Like, you think you can take her on?

I don't think so. No, it's not going to work out. well for if dody decides to actually get activated and go in on her it's not going to work out how she wants to be a disaster the craziest part is the hypocrisy of it all it's like you're getting pissed off at other people for digging into relationships quote unquote and it's like that's all you do you don't have a life outside of trying to ruin other people's lives but that's what you get mad at other people for and dote being doughty gets to a point she's like fuck this fuck you i'm out of here i'm not doing this shit she gets up and janet's like yeah take you to go boss she's yelling in

the restaurant, causing a scene, but Danny's the issue for getting upset at the bar the other night. But let's not talk about Janet and the scene that she's currently creating. And Nia starts crying because Nia's nice. And Nia doesn't know how to handle this because she's fed up with the whole thing. And Janet calls her out. It's like she always cries when it's intense. It's like, what the fuck? Why is she catching astray?

Who is this monster at the end of the table? Why didn't we just let Michelle fight her on battle? If Michelle has an issue with Doty for doing it. that for inviting Jenna to her party, let them have it out. Why is Janet even getting involved? And Janet takes the side of Michelle's been through so much with Jesse and nobody's helping her out. I haven't seen you help Michelle out the entire time. You just saw an opportunity to insert yourself and then get really loud and get louder than the whole table and start spewing your nonsense. That's all that's happening here. You're not standing up for Michelle. You're just trying

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in Canada. No, and what you're doing is getting NIA activated, because Nia stands up and tells Janet to go fuck herself. I was like, hell yeah, say it again, say it louder, bang the table and say it. Yep. And Janet's only response, she's running out of material. Because as Nia's leaving, she's like, well, my husband's not grabbing asses. It's like, again, Jasmine's with Danny now that doesn't hit it all. You're just trying to spread false information at this point. And you are officially the most miserable person in the world. And all this is is projection because your husband's a fucking dud. You're a loser and nobody likes you guys. So you're just projecting and lashing out. But let's get to field.

day, which no matter how old you are, because you can tell by the energy, like when they run across the line with the, it doesn't matter how old you are, field games is always fun. And you always a good time. Yeah, it's always a great time. Jenna's there. Shout out blue and blue day. Yeah, go like blue.

But we're so drunk. Oh, we were hammered, dude. We were hammered for Blue and Blue Day. On our high school field day, we were. We practiced afterwards. We did have baseball practice. I remember that. Didn't we bring a water bottle of five?

pocket into the outfield uh we did and uh the coaches understood what we were doing they understood it was just practice um so all we had to do i think we just did like batting practice yeah i don't think we did anything else uh i think i think sadie swung and missed at five yeah it's somebody else uh somebody else didn't show up to practice and that was a big thing because he fell asleep in your yeah your car oops did that wasn't me by the way i wasn't you it wasn't you one of our teammates we were both there we were ready in my car i think our season was technically over but we had that stupid state tournament oh the state tourney that's exactly what it was yeah that wasn't allowed to actually play in the

state tournament for what holy shit i forgot about that one yeah dude that's a miracle that we we made it through practice but uh you guys you guys all remember high school right you guys did that too right at high school right guys it's um it's astounding that i became an alcoholic i don't know how that happened. But back to field day, Jenna is there. And Michelle thinks that Jen is there because she point to Aaron and now she wants to be close to Aaron. No, nobody wants to get close to Aaron. Jasmine invited her. Jasmine invited her. Why don't we start like asking why Sheen is there and Brock? How about that? When we start asking those questions? Why are these people here actually makes sense because she's friends with everybody, but also this is a TV.

show and she is now involved in a lot of the things going on so she needs to be there for her to be there why are the dpr rejects there yeah why are we doing this with brock who i'm thankful him and sheena didn't really get a whole lot of airtime here we didn't really see a lot from them so hopefully you know they did actually have some lines and they were just cut at the editing because they can see how upset we are with that that's what i'm hoping anyway uh but jenna being there again she's friends with all of them we've known her for a while we also don't care like okay great jenn like yeah what are we doing and and that's just enough it's again like i know michelle's going through a lot i'm giving her a lot of passes this season because of that and like even here but

it's like there's too many false allegations being thrown around willy-nilly at this juncture and i don't care for that very willy-nilly this is a very willy-nilly show willy-nilly season and uh that's dangerous what i don't care for and what i knew i knew it and it's the least surprising news ever. Janet hates field games. I hate this stuff. I don't, meh. All right, stick in the mud. Shocker. Go sit on the fence. I didn't play sports when I was growing up. We, you know,

no shit. Yeah, that tracks. But Brittany and Janet sit down to have a conversation and it's just about the divorce and everything. We get Jack's playing the victim again and Brittany's retelling of it. And then Janet brings up the ring thing again.

Why are we talking about this? This allegation about the ring so many times it's just it's so moved on it's so fucking with it we are and it's so fucking annoying and i also love that jesse and jason were talking all this shit about tug of war yeah and they lost they got smoked and it's like well i slipped you didn't slip you're just very weak and you're oe yeah you have vanity body buddy uh yeah unfortunately i think you lost the brock who's just brock was just drag like i will give him credit there like brock was just dragging them by that road yeah he's a strong guy he's a strong australian rugby guy so yeah that makes you're gonna lose that 10 out of 10 times we've never we've never claimed that he wasn't

athletic so no i do believe him to be an athlete he's just uh he doesn't need to be on the screen i mean i i do doubt that he did uh NFL tryouts i don't think that i know he did he did we looked into that he was like jack you sure wasn't like a vince papali type of thing like you're watching it may have been like i don't think it was to that extent of like a walk on Patriots or something, wasn't it? I thought it was the Jags, but regardless, I think it was not a open invitation. I think it was like, okay, if you're a scout and you have some people that you want to get in front of us, it's like an open tryout for select people.

But I don't think that they were like, oh, Brock Davies, we need to check this guy out. I think an agent who knew him was like, oh, this guy played rugby. He's a friend of mine. Like, he's going to come out. I think it was one of those setups. It kind of seemed like the, like, Jacks is going to get a. a job in Tampa working as a hockey game lightning yeah sure sure dude that would work how well he would get knocked out on day one that'd be so funny though to watch him try to interact with like

actual hockey guys yeah the toughest motherfuckers on the planet yeah but we get an appearance from our favorite our favorite jeweler the the exclusive bravo jeweler apparently i see i can't talk my god exclusive bravo jeweler kyle chan luke goes to pick up the ring and lets us know that he's struggling right now because his grandmother has cancer. It's not going great. So he's got a lot on his mind. He's trying to focus on the engagement to kind of stay those feelings for a little bit because he's struggling. I appreciate the vulnerability, pal.

Yeah. Good vulnerability. Apparently him and Kyle Chen actually did talk on some sort of podcast. I don't know which one it was about their love of lizards because I did think it was very odd. The gecko? He was like, he's like, yeah, as far as Kristen knows, I'm just dropping off. off my lizard to have Kyle Chan take a look at it. Others would be suspicious, but to them, it's like, oh, yeah, totally.

Yeah, but apparently Kyle Chan does love lizards of all kinds. So that's okay. That makes a ton of sense. So good for him. I just love the idea of every time because of how many times Bravo people, you know, they get engaged, then they break up, they get engaged again. I would love it if every time we go back to Kyle Chan, his store is just like a little nicer, a little bigger.

It's just gets a little better because all these rings he's selling. and then they return. So that's the best part is he sells them. He probably buys them back for like 50%. He's just making all this money from Bravo couples that were doomed from the beginning. I don't think that's Luca Doty. They're legit. No, they're legit.

That's different. Yeah. But we got to check in with Janet and Jason before the trip. Do we? Yeah, of course we do. Because they're talking. And at the very least, Janet's like, I do owe Nia an apology. I went in.

It ends with a butt. and that's what bothers me it's like i need to apologize to her but it's like no you are so out of line she was trying to be uninvolved in that whole thing yep and then you wanted to drag her in because she was crying because you're such a dick she started to cry when she wasn't involved and then you got her involved she told you go fuck herself and then you made a comment about her husband like i just don't understand in like in what world any healthy normal mentally stable couple would have that conversation about janet and how she's going to use the that she was a little drunk and she had a little bit too much to drink before she did all

of that how anybody is going to sit there even if you're going to be strategic about the show how jason is going to sit there or even janet who seems to be pretty aware of what's going on how are you going to sit there and go through all of this and then say maybe we don't use that excuse because it will be a really hypocritical and very bad look for us because we are currently going through a whole storyline where we're calling out danny for his drinking are we really going to open ourselves up to that that's just stupid it's just fucking i don't even though i i want to say it's arrogant thinking that like you're going to get away with it and they're not going to question it's no foresight but it's fucking dumb as hell you're going after dandy for drinking this whole

season you're really going to go and play that card right now to nia right to her face and say i'm really sorry i drank a little bit too much and hope that it doesn't open up something i know there is a chance because of how we've seen these things play out on this show that janet would get away with it in the cast but how's that going to look to the audience like you are pretty cognizant of how this is going to work for audience play you are in the message boards you probably have a couple of burners maybe they're not as apparent as jacks's are but they are out there you are very aware of what's going on and how the audience feels about you this should should have just set off so many alarms in your head like fuck maybe i just say i got caught up in the moment maybe i just say

um kind of annoyed and i'm just a little fed up and you know what you were collateral damage don't bring the drinking into it. How dumb are you? Very, very. Very. Lack of foresight mixed with arrogance. That's what it is. She's too big for her bridges right now and she is waiting to be knocked off of that high horse.

That's where Doty's going to come in. I need Doty to deliver on that one. She's been so chill for two years now. We haven't had like a real Doty blow up. It's time. We all need your audience. It is time. Let's get to this scene with Jackson, Brittany.

Jacks is at the lunch table, uh, waiting for Brittany to get there. And again, he's like, we have to talk at some point. Like she is the mother of my child and I haven't even seen my kid. Yeah, it's like, yeah, because you haven't tried. So we don't give a fuck. You're the one that's going to get Botox instead. Your first priority should have been calling Brittany until she answers the phone and being like, hey, I don't care if you're there.

I need to see my son. That would have been the correct response. But you didn't do that. So now you're playing the victim that you haven't seen your kid. he calls Brittany a bunch of times doesn't answer the phone Brittany calls him back hey where are you I'm not coming I love this this is good for Brittany she's standing her ground and she needs to I guess she got a slew of DMs from the night prior

sure we saw them I do too but I wonder if it's at a point now where she's trying to protect at some point she needs to protect that kid because that's where she's falling short is the fact that that kid's been on screen so much so if it's that where this is something that he can see down the road and that's what She's thinking great because the kid needs to be not involved at this point. It's pretty gross. But the DMs are talking about how lit he was the night before. He was all over a bunch of girls.

Jack's his big defense is, I went home in 11. It's like just because you went home at 11 does not mean that you weren't a scumbag and hammered at the bar prior. Yeah. And that's what these DMs are. And that's the other thing is there's way too much evidence against you with your history and your past. And then your energy when you got out of rehab is exactly. the same as when you went in.

Yeah. His defense is so dumb because he's like, it's not her problem anymore. She doesn't need to worry about what I'm doing. She's not allowed to. It's like, guess what? Because you share a child and because she is going to get full custody and decide when and when you cannot have visitation rights, it is actually all of her business what you're doing.

She needs to know that you changed so that she feels good enough to let you see your kid that you're not going to put him in a bad situation because you're a piece. of shit. So all of this has to do what they're actually. And the fact that she's on business here, big cadoos. Big cadoos to Brittany. Yeah, the fact that he's not immediately getting out of that facility. I'm not calling it rehab anymore. I refuse to it. They all do. Everybody on the resort. We call it the resort. The fact that you got out of a 30-day resort and didn't immediately just start groveling, didn't immediately just shut the fuck up and hope that Brittany is going to offer some sort of olive branch when it comes to seeing

your son and that you did all of these other things that we saw last week, got your haircut, got your Botox, went back to your bar, all of those things. You don't deserve to see your kid. That's the thing. You keep bitching and moaning about it. And every time that you're on camera and every time that you're around your friends, that's all you talk about is how sad you are. But we know what you're doing.

You're putting it on Brittany again saying she's not letting me see Cruz. you're not doing anything to allow her to feel comfortable to let you see your son. That's how it goes. And if you keep bitching about it and complaining about it and not making any changes, then why would she? Like, she has all the rights in the world to not do that. We have it well documented on Bravo,

on camera, all of the horrendous things that you've done. So you don't deserve to see your kid. If you changed your tune and you were somewhat humble, ate some humble pie, as you like to say on your burner account, which I really do hope is just a parody account that you. justice for jacks thing if you if you just did something right and shut the fuck up yeah maybe we'd be

like all right fine like let him see his fucking kid like okay it seems like at least he's taking some accountability fine go ahead that's fine but you're not you're just not doing anything so like why would you think the audience is going to be on your side no and especially the face that you make after she hangs up and you're like well that's that it's like okay you're just going to move on with hangs up on her and says, well, that's that. Yeah, you're just, you're, you're just going to move on with your day. You're going to go back to your weird little shitty condo next to Schwartz's, see if he wants to come over to throw some back and just decompress,

talk about how bad Brittany is, then try to tell him how bad his marriage was, whatever you're doing, I don't care. I just simply don't care and I don't need to see it. So I'm happy you're not going on the cast trip. And you can say that it was your choice. It's not your choice. You were told whether it's producers, whether it's, you know, I don't know, maybe Hawaii still has a ban on you because you stole.

sunglasses. He's probably not allowed to leave the state of California for some reason. I think that's probably true. Hawaii could also be one of those quirky states that has weird bands. And maybe he's just not allowed back in Hawaii. But it's not your decision. Yep. It's not your decision. So don't try to paint it that way because we know better. 100%. Let's check into the hotel. We're in Maui. Now, Zach was upgraded to the presidential suite. Yep. Your take on this. Should Zach have given the presidential suite up right away? Or did he play it right by delaying it? He played it right by delaying it.

I agree. And then Luke gets bad. I'm like, no, no, no, there's the right move. This is where I was like, Luke, all right, you got to chill out a little bit because Zach did say, and I guess Luke wasn't privy to the conversation. So that's not it really his fault. I guess he could have related to Luke, but you also don't want to be somehow. And then you don't want to be sketchy and he's standing right next to Kristen, as he should

be. You're walking around with her. You don't really have this one-on-one or, you know, private times. that you can have somebody pull you aside right then and there. Like, I get it. You want the presidential suite. You'll get the presidential suite. But also, you know, who's in that suite?

Jesse. So right now, it's Jesse and the two of you. So, yeah, you can't do it right then and there. It's too suspicious. You've already done enough if you're Zach to raise a few eyebrows, telling Jasmine that there's a big secret, telling other people what's going on. Right now, as far as Luke knows,

only three people in the world know what's going on. Yeah. I don't think that's true anymore, but Zach is doing yourself. a favor or doing you a favor at this point by not immediately handing over the keys like hey why don't you guys stay here uh you're

trying to get pregnant i think the presidential suite would be good for you like what like how would he i don't know how you sell it that's my whole there's no way there's no way to sell it to somebody like dody who is an investigator who is a detective and who is always tried to figure out something she would sniff it out between that and then what happened at the mexican restaurant she'd be like something's up she'd know

she'd know immediately what it was i i think there would be no doubt in her mind what was going on if that would have happened right then and there no i get it you know luke did say it in his confessional it's not like we saw a sidebar where he pulled danny aside and said why is he not giving me the presidential suite he did it in his confessional which happened afterwards so i'll give him a pass i'll give him a pass too because he's dealing with a lot and he's obviously nervous about this whole thing i just was curious we thought that which whose team you're on i'm team zach on that one for sure a ron makes an appearance somebody told me i was pronouncing his name wrong in the comments like oh really a ron is his name i know it's erin i'm not an

idiot but a a ron is there and he's just he's softer than baby shit like saying things like you know they get to the room michelle's like so how do you feel he's like oh i feel like i can breathe after seeing jesse you know i'm like away from i'm like can you just say to her to give her some kind of confidence in this whole thing like hey it's not great but i'll always like suffer through it for you it's not a big deal we're not going i'm not going to cause a scene like just be no who i you know who i always think of in these types of situations is and i can't remember his name do you remember ariana's uh boyfriend's name dan dan dan i think it's dan yeah um the way that he handled that san francisco trip at the end of e pr when tom was there and all of that shit was going down and he was

just quiet and mellow he was just quiet mellow and tom even came over and said you know i really want to meet him and i want to talk to him and he just was not having any of it that's how you handle a situation like this that is exactly and i know ariana and michel are very very different people but if you're going to be the boyfriend of an ex or you know whatever situation you're in that it's wacky as hell because bravo's going to force you guys to be together to see if there's some drama that's how you handle it as long as you clear things with michel and if you want to get away you want to go on fucking wind surfing lessons or whatever to get away from everybody that's fine as long as it's cleared with michel i don't want to see you whining about it and

see that you're scared because you guess again what's going to happen and Jesse's going to watch it back and be like, wow, I've got so much power over this guy and I barely did anything. This guy's terrified of me. That's going to change based on the cliffhanger. But even before then, he was terrified of you. So that's going to give him so much more power and he's going to have the upper hand. If you want to have any semblance of a normal life in this weird little thruple,

that's what you have to do. You just have to grin and bear it and move on. Yep. Toughen up. Toughen up. But let's get to the pool. Jason's swimming gave me the ick. He's kicking his little tutsies.

I didn't like that. Danny and Jason are talking to each other, and it's awkward. And I do like this move. Like, should we just do it now? It's like, yeah, I'm cool with that. Let's hash this out in the pool. See how this whole thing goes. They call Janet and Nia over.

Janet apologizes out of the gate. It's too late. Nia's got walls up now, and she's hesitant. And she's like, you know, I'm sorry. And like you said earlier, this defense is wild that she went this route. I had way too much to drink. And Nia's in it now. She goes, ooh, that early in the night?

I'm like, boom, yeah. Hopper again. Get her again. Keep going. And she blames the margaritas. They're really strong. I had a shot. This, that, the other.

I shouldn't have yelled. It's like, you shouldn't have drank so much, Janet. Do you have a problem? Do you have a problem, Janet? Should we keep going and hammering that one down? Mm-hmm. And again, Danny apologizes, not for what he said. He said, I'm sorry for bringing it up in that set.

I'm like, good. Keep doing it. Hold on to that. Hold on to that. Because eventually what's going to happen, this is now the third time that you've done this, they're going to unravel. They're going to say, why do you keep saying it like that? Are you not apologizing for what you said?

Correct. Then you have free guidance to just go ahead and do it. You go ahead and you bop them and you get them again and get them again. And Nia is in a much better place where she's going to be able to stand with you. Because I do think that they've obviously had conversations about this behind closed doors, camera they're in a much better place where they can handle it like they're going to keep coming after us we do have to have a united front we can't just immediately buckle and start apologizing this is how we're going to handle it so eventually it's not going to be your fault if they ask

questions about your apology they're going to ask for some more clarification you go ahead and let them have it yep exactly it's a great setup and they agree somewhat to forgive and move on And I think it's like, obviously with a hundred grains of salt, like they're not actually moving on. Nia goes to a confessionals say, I'm skeptical. My guard will forever be up now. It's like the fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And they're like, hey, well, thanks for not disinviting us. And Nia's like, look, you know, we'd never do that.

Jen's like, well, I would. No one laughs. It's like, yeah, you would. And she's like, I wouldn't do it to you. It's like, yeah, you would. All Janet's going to do it. And, you know, we kind of saw this in the midseason trailer and the, preseason trailer, she's just going to set her sights on Kristen because now she's got a new

person to go after and she's going to try to ride for her friend Michelle or whatever she's going to like pose it as. I don't know what it's going to be. But she's going to have to have somebody in her crosshairs. That's how Janet operates. So if she's truly going to move on from this and she's not going to call out Danny anymore, she's not going to call out any anymore, at least for this trip, she's going to have somebody else that's going to be new in her crosshairs, which the Kristen thing's been boiling for a long time. She's going to go out of the not. She hasn't really been provoked and she's also not doing any provoking she's just kind of living in her own little world and yet she keeps getting dragged into shit we love it so funny she's so mellow and she keeps getting

poked i just hope it happens after the engagement because if it happens after the engagement christin's going to have so much power oh i know she's going to have so much just going on for say and doty oh man she's going to kame kamehah the shit out of that i am looking forward to it uh to no surprise of anybody, Aaron catching a ball is as cringy as Aaron throwing a ball. Dude, it was such a quick little thing. And I still was like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, no. Now, with that whole situation, though, Jesse, obviously, is still thinking that Aaron was the other half of the infidelity.

Now, when he said he would expect Aaron to call him, I actually, I don't fully disagree. agree not about in a normal setting in a normal setting for sure yeah in the setting that him and michel have created i don't think it would work i think it's not about the michel part i think that you call because of the child involved and i think i agree because like in my experience like poppy stepdad when uh when it was early on called me and we have a great relationship and he was super respectful we had a great conversation i was like you know what i really appreciate the phone call so we could talk about this man around my child yeah i did it meant the world to me to be like you know what thank you for talking to me i love your relationship with my daughter as well

and i appreciate the phone call they keep that that's what i'm saying in a normal and i wasn't saying that jess or that aran would need to call jesse to clear the air about the michel of it all what i'm saying is jesse and michel have created such a toxic environment around them and unfortunately for isabella it includes her so if i'm aran yeah i'm a little apprehensive to call jesse based on how toxic he's been with Michelle maybe let the air clear a little bit like yes i know that this could be too little too late but the way that things were portrayed and obviously you're still doing your investigative journalism when it comes to when we started hooking up when we started dating was it emotional was it this was it that i didn't feel comfortable doing that and he probably we don't know

maybe he asked michel do you think i should call jesse do you think we should try to clear this up doesn't strike me as the guy but i don't strike me as the guy but i don't know for sure so i can't say for sure i don't want to bash you we're not really sure what's going on there we haven't seen a lot about them i don't like them particularly but i don't care for a bunch but i don't want to throw him the bus for no i don't want to throw them completely under the bus because we don't know what those conversations were like and again it's jesse and michel he could have asked michel and she said fuck him i don't want him to know anything and then then what are you supposed to do like yeah man to man then you have that i don't know just get scott as a mediator both of you put your hands on scott's

chest you try to transfer some energy and try to get emotional at some point and then you kiss Yeah, that's what you tell. And everything's cool. That's what they should have done. It's all we named. I mean, that's pretty much the episode. You see Luke scrambling a little bit and always like, what's going on? He's going through it.

He's going through it. And I think it's a combination of nerves and worried about his grandmother. So he's kind of, he's all over the place. I'm sure he'll rain it in. And I'm sure once they are engaged, he'll take a deep breath. And I'm looking forward to that. And it's just clear that the Aaron and Jesse stuff's going to pop off. You know, Jesse's going through his issues with Aaron.

you know, commenting on Isabella and how much he spoils her. And the big underlying thing is, is he the second half of the cheater puzzle? So that's going to be addressed next episode. We've been getting that cliffhanger the entire season. So I'm glad we're finally going to address it. As far as what comes from that,

I really, I don't know what to predict. If we're being honest, I don't know how that's going to go. I don't know how Aaron's going to handle it. And that's going to be really, really important, I think, is how he handles this whole thing. Yeah.

So we'll see how that goes. And if he was, in fact, the other man. But let's get to some questions. First one up here from Destiny Mitchell, a little crossover question. Whose produced drama moment was worse? Janet is at this dinner or Alexis is from OC? Alexis is from O.C. will always hold that crown. Yeah, brutal.

From Casey L. Fowler, why can't Jason forgive Danny? what did danny do i don't know man i don't thought he didn't really do anything to him he's just talking about his wife who's been in his business so tit for tat if you will i don't really understand what the issue is yeah i don't either uh from meg's valentine would you have liked the other girls to speak up at the dinner or was it a lost cause because of janet the lost cause it's a lost cause for one but also and i'm going to point this out every single time brittie never fucking speaks up She just simply doesn't.

She is such a bad friend. She is such a bad friend. And she always holds on to this. I'm friends with both of them. What do you want me to do? It's like speak up when you see some fucking injustice. When you see your friend Janet who's now done this 50 times going after other people, you'll sit with Janet afterwards and say, why did you do that or why did you do that?

You never speak up in the moment. And it looks like you're a terrible friend. And that's why people like Zach, people like Nea, you are. Yeah. But people like Zach and Nea are going to come to you and say, I feel like you don't like me anymore. I feel like you take Janet's side because it looks like you do and you do. So, yeah, Brittany is the one I will call out.

The other ones, I think it is a lost cause because it's Janet. But Britney's the one that I always hone in on those situations. Yeah, it's easier to do that. I'll be going to read this one because we got a pronunciation, which we always appreciate. Hell yeah. From Jocelyn Tiber. So we've been saying Josie Thibbert. Jocelyn Tiber.

That's how it's pronounced. Jocelyn Tiber here. And I like that she did it in parentheses T. dash bear yeah dumb it down for us always makes me think of a T-rex but a bear yeah T-bear oh shit that's a that's a crazy combination that's that's actually Jurassic universe coming out next summer coming out this fall Jurassic universe and the T-bear uh where were we uh did the boys get together remind you of Louis weird boy beach video 100% same energy exactly what of the same energy let's do two more Claire archibald asked uh was it just me or did you skip past the bro session

it was very cringy no i watched it i watched it very intently tongue in cheek let's do one more i just knew that i was going to find some tidbits to make fun of yep uh let's see okay this is going to end on from miranda ann four one two does anyone actually like janet besides janet jason now jason i don't even think jason likes her honestly he he puts out with her no i it is kind of interesting and i'm not just saying it as a Janet hater um if you can point out one scene to me in which Janet was sitting with one other person and it seemed like it was just a fun situation to be in and it seems like both parties were having fun not just Janet I'd be all ears I can't think of one so I don't think

anybody actually like she was the only one having fun correct yeah well there you have it folks but uh we'll see where this goes I'm yeah we're still in on the valley I know we should on it but that's what we do here we have to shit on it though because like that's and people get banned at us because they're like you guys have a platform and you're not doing this or that or whatever it's like well like we are shitting on it but we're shitting on the people that need to be held responsible for what we're watching and that would be jacks and that's the producers so anytime that we see something like that we're going to call it out it doesn't mean again that we think it's going nowhere blah blah blah we're just seeing it how it is and we're going to

call it out that that's really what it is but at the end of the day we do We have enjoyed the show a lot in the past. We don't want it to go anywhere. We want it to be better. If we're not going to call it out for the shortcomings, then what are we supposed to do here? That's what we do, man. We're honest. And don't worry, Doty commented on one of our reels when we were ranting and raving about how shitty it is right now and said,

please don't stop watching. I'm coming on the pod ASAP, guys. So we told you that before she went into labor, we were trying to get that scheduled. so when there's a clip of us like of us saying yeah we don't know what the hell's going on Kristen's been going back and forth with us and we didn't really know what to do because the last comment we said was was great we'll have you on the pod and she just liked it so we didn't know what to do I didn't know she was going into labor she went to labor yeah that day so that makes a lot of sense now but yeah we're going to get that figured out when she's ready obviously she's enjoying her

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