Bros & Shows - Drag (Danny) Party (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

What's up bros? While this was a better episode with other, less dark and problematic, issues coming to a head; we're still bogged down by someone quickly becoming the worst possible person on Bravo in Danny. A guy who (probably) hides behind being a man of God or whatever is clearly a piece of ... husband and father and we're subjected to watching it every week, so he's subject to us bashing him for about an hour and a half. Like we said, other issues that should be front in center of this show at least give us some reprieve, but unfortunately those moments are few and far between. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This was a better episode, and I would like to point out, Janet was present for the entire episode, therefore giving us an entertaining episode. I'm going to say two things that sounds conflicting, but for me, they're not, and that's really all the matters to me. One, I don't think this was a better episode, and two, I'm not going to let this show piss me off anymore, because Beverly Hills already did that enough, and we still have to cover this show regardless, so I'm not going to fall into that hate watch. I'm just not going to do it this year. I am going to lean into making fun of people. Okay. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.

Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. and I'm your co-host. Steel Russell joined as always by the one and only grumpy Goots. What's up, dude? I just said I wasn't going to be grumpy. You want me to be grumpy? Yeah, I'll be grumpy. It sounded like you're going to be grumpy.

It was like a grumpy person trying to convince people that you're not grumpy. Yeah, I think that's actually fair to say. Who knew, by the way, we've seen this clip of Lala that landed in this episode. Who knew that it would actually make sense? Who knew that we'd actually be in support of that? Not me. I truly did think that it was. going to be tough girl Lauren showing back up on screen.

She was able to to bottle it up for like what, six or seven episodes somewhere along. I think we're episode seven right now. And, uh, yeah, I mean, it was warranted. It made a lot of sense.

I'm on team Lala for some reason. I, it's just a fucking bizarre world. I know. I actually thought that she did great the entire episode. Like I had no qualms with her. And we've been saying throughout the season and you guys know she's not our favorite.

But I hope you also know, like we will always. give credit where credits do regardless of how we feel about somebody on these shows. La La, la, we talked all kinds of shit coming into the season. And inevitably, because we're doing this now, next episode, she's going to be a disaster. But I think she's been good this season. I think she's been like the perfect level of involved because she's new to the show. She's not overbearing.

She's kind of getting comfortable with the group, getting comfortable on the screen. I think she's doing just fine. I thought she actually did good this episode. I'm with you, which I am stunned. stud. I know. Well, we talk shit about that scene that happened this episode before we even watched it. I know, but I think we've just had such a history with Lala with VPR and her little drop-ins on the Valley so far in our podcast. Everything was pointing to, oh, God, really? We're going to do this. Like, the show is pretty good. Honestly, without Lala, the show would be worse. And I don't know why I'm even saying that right now.

But yeah, I definitely didn't see it coming in the way that we were talking about her. obviously having that idea from the trailer in the back of our minds. We were just waiting for the other shoe to drop. That's all we're waiting for. We've been kind of saying like, all right, she's all right. There's not a big deal here. Schwartz is going to Schwartz, Lala, we're still waiting for. But if this is the worst, quote unquote, worst, I mean, I'm completely fine with that.

I mean, she's doing a good job. There I say, a bright spot in a very, very dark season. Yeah, agreed. Never thought we'd be saying that. Schwartz as well. Schwartz is fine. Like the VPR castaways are actually doing good. The other VPR castaway and Brittany is just insult.

I was just going to say that. Brittany, these last two episodes, hasn't been around. So I haven't really been bothered by her. But now I'm realizing she's on the trip and she's not doing anything. Like we get a call from her, I guess her and Brandon her face timing and she's showing a stuffed animal later in the episode. Like, whatever. You're not doing a lot. So this is more what I think we both agreed that the show should be leading into,

more of the Janet stuff, more of the Jesse and Lacey stuff with Michelle on the side. And then obviously, you know, Danny's going to Danny and we're going to have to talk about that. But I think that for me anyway, because we've spent the last like three episodes, like I said, I'm not, I'm not going to fall into the hate watch trap because there's no need to. There's enough negativity in this world. And I'm going to be a spot of positivity. How about that? I mean, look, everybody knows how we feel about the show.

I don't want to beat a dead horse. I don't want to just continue to bash. I mean, I'll bash Danny, obviously. He's a terrible guy. But I don't want to continue to just have like more of the same conversation about how bad of a parent he is, about how bad of a daddy is. And then also how it's affecting the show. And we had enough conversations about the timing, which I think got misconstrued.

I mean, when I'm reading the comments from people on YouTube especially, people are defending and saying like, hey, if you don't want to watch this and don't watch it, or this is how people do when they have postpartum. I'm like, that's not at all what we were saying. We're not complaining that the babies are there. Like, yes, I had a comment where I said, I'm sure there's an asshole baby out there, which I stand by, firmly standby.

There is an asshole baby somewhere out there. But I will say, like, we're not talking about how we're bored by babies on screen. We're saying they shouldn't have filmed when they filmed. They should have postponed. And I think this is more of the same with this episode where you see Kristen. It's like, I'm not holding it against Kristen at all. She's going through it. I'm even getting to a point where I'm like, you know what,

we might be actually seeing. like a bad spot between her and Luke trying to figure it out. And we're forced because production is forcing us to just bash Luke for being a bad dude and a bad dad. He might honestly just be figuring it out. And I think Zach is probably going to be my litmus test on this. And this episode, I think changed a little bit for me. So there's a lot going on.

And obviously, Danny just kind of went further down the dark side. So now it makes Luke look a lot better, which, you know, I'm sure is helping his case. But I think that the way that they won the timing of it all, obviously we talked about in great detail if you didn't hear that go back to last week's episode i don't want to waste any more time on that but i think that not only the timing of them filming but also the way the production is doing this show they're leaning so heavily into uh we don't really have like a lot of drama people aren't really mixing it up with janet and everything else let's just show two couples who just had babies get into fights and see if that's fun it's like no i i don't think i would imagine that 98%

of the people that watch reality tv don't find that entertaining they don't find it like Wow, this is a real, real moment. And I'm happy that I get to watch this on TV because you don't get to see this. It's like, I don't want to see it. It's not entertaining. No, and I think, you know, because I read a comment that was like, oh, like, sorry that the mom's breastfeeding and taking care of their children isn't entertaining. It's like that's not what we're referring to at all.

If that was what was going on, you know, just them being new moms, great. Yeah. Our point was they seem like they could have benefited Doty specifically. with a little more time in between filming. So her and Luke didn't have to be on camera trying to figure out how to be new parents together. Because in the real world that they live in, this is their family.

And I think that adding cameras to the mix when she's in the midst of postpartum puts their relationship and everything going on with them at risk. And I don't want to see that. That's what we, when we say we don't want to see it, we're not bashing your moms. We're not bashing that stuff.

It's simply for their, own sake, wouldn't it have benefited them and the show to have just pushed like three months so that they could get their bearings? Then we'd still get baby stuff, but we'd be getting happy baby stuff, not watching two couples hate each other with a child involved. Like, I think that's reasonable. And objectively speaking, like, there are a lot of moments, like right after you get birth, like, whatever.

Like, I just don't think that it makes any sense to have a camera shoved in your face. Like, it just truly doesn't. And I do get the vibe. And again, like, yeah, we bash Jeremiah all the time. I get the vibe that they're like, oh, Kristen's having a breakdown. Let's get a camera over there. Which just makes you feel icky.

And it's just, it's not fun. So I'm just, I'm avoiding that at all costs. We can look at the behavior that we see. We can look at whatever and try to break it down the best we can. But I'm done like discussing the way they've done that because it's not like it's going to change. It's not like all of a sudden this season's just going to take a complete turn.

And all of a sudden we're not going to see like they're going to give them grace. They're going to give them space out of nowhere. They're going to continue down this path. I'm not going to get remad about it every episode is all I'm saying up front. Yeah. And I think that, you know, I'll give you some, some buffer time for the next episode or two. I, you have a deeper hatred for this show than I do, not hatred, but more visceral reaction than I've had to the show. But I think that's why this episode you didn't think was like a little bit better because if you really break it down fundamentally, let's take the emotion out of it. fundamentally speaking, we have actual things going on now.

We have the Lacey and Michelle thing at the forefront with Jesse and Ball. Janet and Jason are stepping up and taking on a bigger role. We have things to focus on. And as long as we continue down this path and ruminate on it a little bit, I do think that we can kind of turn the tides here and have the show that we enjoyed watching. I think it's always going to be tough because Jeremiah loves to highlight shitty dudes. And he's continuing to do that. I guarantee Danny's going to get some kind of grace at it as we get further into this season.

Oh, dude. Well, there's already something going on. This is the one qualm I have with Kristen. She is out there defending. I know. Stop right after this episode. And the comments are very normal. They're very reasonable.

Just bashing him for talking to his wife the way he does in this episode. And Kristen is all up in arms. And she's defending Danny. And she's like, look, he had a bad night. One bad moment doesn't define a person. What are you talking about? he's had a really bad season. He's had bad seasons.

Multiple. Plural. Like we've seen terrible moments where he doesn't have an excuse. And honestly, he has not apologized. And I do think honestly after watching, especially this episode in the beginning of this episode, like he's got a drinking problem.

He absolutely does. And that drinking problem is in the form of, not that he's drinking all the time, which I imagine that's kind of the guy that he's going to be where he's like, I'm not an alcoholic. I don't drink every day. Not the problem.

Completely different aspect. It's when you get. get drunk, you turn into what you were at dinner where you made Schwartz cheers you with eye contact 50 times at the loudest possible octave. So it's just the whole thing with Danny is like obviously he's, I think my problem with the show is it's not interesting enough. They're highlighting a lot of shitty moments for entertainment's sake, which is icky. And then the villain, quote unquote villain of the season is a terrible dude. And it's not in like a love him or hate him, not in a Jack's way. Like it's not in a way that, you know, pre-valley Jack.

not in a jack's way on vpr where it's like holy shit what's this guy going to do next it's more what we saw with jacks in the beginning of the valley it's like we can't watch this yeah just it's dark like the danny shit's dark because then you think about their home life you think about what nia goes through when she's there nea's not great either by the way but like nobody deserves that and like the way that danny talks to her the way that danny looks at her honestly everything that Danny does is fucking gross. And like, highlighting that,

and that's, I guarantee you, dude, knowing, knowing Jermaine's bitch ass, he's going to try and ship this some, at some point in the season to give Danny a better edit or to try to make it last season, a monster.

I know. So I'm just waiting for that to happen because it's inevitable. Anytime Jermaine's at the helm, we are going to give bad dudes a pass. We've seen it umpteen times. We're going to see it again. It's inevitable. that's going to bother me.

But we've preambleed long enough. I think maybe when we talk about it, maybe you'll think it was at least... Well, no, I agree with you that there are at least things to talk about to take our minds off of the bad stuff that I hate about this show. Like, that's enough. And we have more to discuss when it comes to the other aspects, which is, again, what they should be focusing on.

I know you want to show what's going on in people's lives, but if somebody's struggling, we shouldn't shove a camera in their face for our own entertainment. It doesn't make any sense. And that's the other part that, and then we'll start, people saying, you know, I like to see this stuff. It's real. And that's okay. Like there are people that are watching it and seeing Kristen go through it. They resonate with that.

They have their own journey with it. I get that. And I'm not saying that that's incorrect. I'm just saying from a grand show perspective and for their sake, Doty's mental health. health, Luke's mental health, Nia's mental health. I think it would have done a lot of good to give them just three more months. Get them that six month mark. They've got their bearings. They're not trying to kill each other on screen. We're not seeing relationships like nosedive in the early throws of child rearing, if you will. So that's all. I think we've laid it out

enough. What? I don't think I will. You said if you will, I don't think child rearing. Yeah, it's, you know, rearing a child means raising. It's just kind of, I got stuck. I don't love that. No, and I also want to say, I think if timing is whatever and you're going to do this, it's the way that they're doing it. It's the way that they're filming. It's like they're championing the bad stuff. Correct.

They're only showing us the bad stuff, which we talked a little bit about last week. They're not showing until this episode any nice moments. between Luke and Kristen to make us think that Luke is a terrible piece of shit and he's not trying at all. And yes, he could try harder. But when you see a nice moment between him and Kristen, you're like, all right, maybe it's not all bad. It is all bad on the show because they want you to think that everything is falling apart. And that's, I think it's just gross. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree. Let's jump in. We get the dinner at Draft. And, you know, Michelle's playing musical chairs. You don't want to sit next to Lacey or across the table from Lacey. I forgot.

entirely that Sheena Shea had called her last year until we get that moment of Sheena talking to Jesse on the phone. I was like, oh, no, don't even give her a shout out. The fact that they showed Sheena Shea on the phone. I'm like, boo. Boo, she's probably going to screenshot that and post it and put it in our IMDB page. But the big thing here is Doty is not feeling great. She's uncomfortable.

She wants to go back. She also doesn't want to make it a scene. She doesn't want all the attention. I thought that Luke was much better in his approach to this one. But it's tough because of what Doty's going through and because her emotions are high and that's all okay. She's like, I think it's actually like it's a little comical because now again, looking at Luke, it's like sometimes you just remind me of a dumb dude who doesn't know what to say. And when he says to her like, I can't be in your body. I don't know how you're feeling.

To him, he's like, I think this makes sense. It's like I'm like resonating with her. Like I'm trying to sympathize with what she's going through, but I really don't know. So I can't really formulate an opinion on it. And he's trying to say that. But we heard him say that at the theme part. We heard him say that at the amusement park a couple times.

And it was pissing her off. And then he said it again when we got to dinner. I'm like, Luke, for the love of God, stop saying that. I mean, I do think, again, the way that this all comes together, which is just incredibly funny. And people just do not understand or pick up on social cues. Kristen's going through it and she's like, I just don't want to be around people.

This is not, and I think this is in a nutshell what the problem is with the show at this current moment. She does not want to be in a social setting. She wants to be home with the baby relaxing because she's going through postpartum and she's got issues going on physically that are actually popping up,

especially after a long day at the theme park and then going to dinner, but they're expecting her to film the whole time and she's a trooper and she's been on a reality TV show before. So she's like, I guess I can't miss dinner. I can't just bow my head out and just get home and just go hang out with my baby. I have to do my job, which I respect and I appreciate. But like, why are we doing this?

Like she shouldn't be in this position in the first place. But with everybody else coming over and like she's going through it. And it's just one by one by one. Zach coming over, I'm okay with. Zach immediately gets a temperature read. Like I just want to see her. This is what I'm fucking talking about. All right.

Yep, you're right. I'm out of here. Janet, like checking in like looking like a fucking snake. the grass like ooh what's going on over there brittany jesus like brittany was the straw that broke the camel's back she comes up it's like and everything sucks yeah like i thought you were looking at me i thought you needed me one no one ever needs you i'm sorry but like no one ever needs you to poke your head in to see what's going on stay over there for the love of god but that was enough for christin to be like i just i can't go and this was genuine with i because i thought i was going to have a problem with

Luke wanting to stay or her telling Luke to stay. And I'm like, all right, dude, just like figure it out. Like she wants you to go home with her. I think she was genuinely like, no, you stay. I don't think she wanted him to go with her. I don't think she wanted them to go with her. I think she wanted her own space and she wanted some quiet and that's completely fine. But I do also think that she's like, you have to stay.

Like, I can't be here. You're filming. You have to say. Yeah. And I think, you know, Luke finally says the right things a little bit. Then he goes off the rails here in a sec. But when he says to it's like, hey, you know, you're going through a lot. Like, you just pushed a baby out of your body.

Like, yeah, of course. Like, I totally get that you feel like shit. She's like, oh, you're saying, I have a microphone on. I was like, oh. And then he spirals. And I think what he was trying to say, I hope what he was trying to say is like, you know, I'll never understand what you're going through. Like, I'll never, because I'm never going to go through that.

I think that's what he's trying to say. He was like, I'm not in your body. But by saying I'm not in your body, it's minimizing what she's going. through. But I don't think he's trying. I think he's trying to be a good dude. He doesn't know what the fuck to say. He does need to shut up when he's talking to Danny and Jesse. Like, that's a totally different story. But in this moment, this to me read, okay, I'm trying. I'm trying now. I'm trying to navigate this the right way. I'm trying to support you how you need to be supported. Obviously, there's going to butt heads, right? Like, that's just new parents. No

matter what's going on, there's going to be some tension there until they get out of the out of the trenches into like the four, five, six month phase. But it was nice. to see a scene with him where I'm not like, you fucking moron, stop talking, shut up. Like you're making it so much worse. We were getting to the top of the mountain of, oh, you're just an asshole. Oh, you're just a really bad dad and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Like figure it out right now. And now we're kind of slowly going back down to you're just an idiot.

Like you can't say the right thing at any time, can you? And that's okay. I'm perfectly fine with living there because I do think again, if we have to do this I'm not making excuses, but if we want to paint the full picture, a lot has changed in Luke's life in a very short amount of time. He's no longer living in the middle of the wilderness.

He's now living in L.A. He made some concessions. His life has changed. He's got a baby. He's got a fiance. He doesn't say that to Doty. Who's going through postpartum. Certainly do not say that to Doty.

But if you have feelings about that because you feel like your life is in a fucking roller coaster, perfectly fine. You're also a new dad. You're probably up all night. We're not seeing that. all we're seeing is that you're getting drunk and passing out on the couch. But I'm sure you're probably up all night with the baby as well while Kristen sleeps.

We're never going to see that because they don't want us to see that. So I'm giving him a little bit of a pass and looking at everything. I'm like, all right, yeah, I think they're just highlighting all of the bad discussions that they have. And again, it just took this where it shows that he's actually trying to do something and trying to find the right words. And then later in the episode, it's like, okay, they understand each other at some length. Like they have their flare-ups and or one of them has a flare-up and the other one doesn't know how to handle it. It seems like they're just wrestling with the idea of what their life looks like now. And that's perfectly fine.

Again, shoving a camera in their face while they're doing it makes things worse. But now we have a better understanding of what's going on. Yeah, my barometer for most things is Zach. Yeah, exactly. I usually trust. And if he's going to sit there and say to Luke, you are a great dad, you're a great husband, you're giving Kristen something. she's never had when she needed it the most all of those nice things. I said that too.

Like yeah, we finally saw this breakdown. Right. So if I hear that from Zach and I see a different tone out of Luke, I'm not giving him a pass for the stupid shit like talking about sex and all that dumbass stuff like that's inexcusable. Sex and fishing like he should just he shouldn't say sex or fishing for a year. Five or six months. Yeah. Oh, I was giving him at least a few months.

Oh, no, like a year, bro. Like a full year after all that bullshit. But. It was nice to see like some kind of reasonable response from. I'm like, okay, all right. Just try not to say anything stupid for the rest of the episode. And you might be on your way, especially after that conversation with them later. But anywho, I did love Jesse and Lala's audition to, I thought Lala was funny.

I was shocked. Like when she ends up like, what, you're lesbians? So you're going to go all the way. I was like, this is kind of a funny speech out of Lala. I didn't expect that. Jesse hits the Webster's dictionary definition of love, which the least surprising thing ever. Yep. And lo and behold, you got Danny Darko there at the end getting hammered.

And again, like, to your point, problematic drinking, I'm not going to call him an alcoholic, but problematic drinkers, people that have a tough relationship with alcohol. As you said, there's a lot of different ways that that can look. I was the guy that would wake up and just drink all day. You wouldn't know it until towards the end, but I was hammered for about two years. On the flip side, you have people that are weekend warriors that they don't drink. These are actually the worst ones, if relatively speaking as far as trying to get them to address it, because they have the fallback of, well, I don't drink every day. I only drink on the weekends.

I only drink on Saturday. But if every time you drink, you turn into a monster or you do dangerous things, you put yourself or others at risk, that's problematic drinking. So unfortunately, Danny is like the perfect candidate of what do you mean? I only drink on Saturday. Like he, that is probably his MO. Oh. And we're seeing, hold on. Did you see the thing that's circulating right now that Kelvin from righteous gemstones

is based off of Danny? Oh my God. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Danny's dad apparently owns a church, owns a church, which is a very funny sentence. But I think it's true owns a church in L.A.

And he was a youth pastor growing up. And he has, there's pictures of him that are like carving copy of Kelvin from righteous gemstones. Like the big cross, the like the affliction t-shirts with the big cross hanging out and the leather pants. Like it might actually hear. Uh-huh. That's fucking wild. Yep. I didn't know that.

That's a great show though. But anyway, Danny's getting drunk. Lala's starting to clock it. It's actually interesting that they're framing Danny through the lens of Lala. because she hasn't seen this stuff, right? This is new to her. So getting her read on it is probably the most realistic of like what it's like to be around Danny. You're like, oh, fuck, like, this is, this is weird.

So she's clocking him and watching this thing kind of just start to spiral. Luckily, it doesn't get crazy bad in this scene. No, no. We get the one stupid line of him like, oh, don't yawn, Michelle. Like, you might be labeled an alcoholic if you fall asleep. It's like, yeah, if you fall asleep at the table drunk. like that's a problem no yeah and no it absolutely is and it's really just you know for the season vets that have talked all in depth about danny and his drinking and whether or not janet's you know

i guess her opinion was valid or not you can see it as soon as he starts doing it and i do think that they're highlighting it a little bit and they want to show that which is always so funny because we always talk about this show doesn't know what it wants to be i don't think that they know what person they want on which story arc because we saw last year that Janet was going after Danny and then we were really highlighting Janet in a very negative way because and obviously she did say a lot of things that she shouldn't have said but she was right at its core. I mean, he is a problematic drinker and he does make people feel uncomfortable. So that is very true. The rest of it, you can kind of throw out the window at this point. But for Danny, it's like,

all right, let's highlight him drink it over here. And then maybe like you said, we'll give him a little bit of a redemption arc later. Like we're not going to be on board for that one. No, fuck, no. We are going to eviscerate him from now until he's off the show. He deserves it. Like, he's a piece of shit drinking aside. Like, he's sober. He's an asshole.

So that's a different story. But the one thing we do get is Janet, Jesse, Lacey, and Jason. And Janet, again, she, this is clearly her approach with things. And this to me seems like some kind of manipulative move that she does where she's like, if there's anything you want to talk about, you go right ahead and puts the onus on Lacey and she brings up the mean girl bullying thing obviously last year all that shit went down this one's tougher for me to analyze because we heard that you're sending cease and desists you're saying things about about Michelle and you're talking

shit and blah blah blah we're getting one side of the story when Lacey talks about her side of the story. She's not giving us a lot of, of her involvement. She's simply saying, you guys were doing X, Y, and Z. So that's why I sent the cease and desist. Janet, I'm upset about the way you treated me. And like, this is valid, I think, regardless of Lacey's involvement because Janet is not Michelle. You know, the first time I met you, you told me that you read my Reddit and did a deep dive on me and pretty much mocked me and made fun of me to my face, which is, sounds like such a Janet move. And she's like,

am I lying? She's like, well, it's not exactly like that. But okay, sure. And that, oh, her condescension drives me nuts. But I'm,

I think I'm team Lacey in this, not with the Michelle stuff, but in this, I think I'm team Lacey. I think that, and we'll talk more in depth about the Michelle stuff, obviously these are very separate issues.

I mean, I was under the impression that all of them received cease and desists. Now we find out that only Michelle got one, which, you know, we'll talk about a little bit later. So I was like, okay, yeah, this woman's fucking nuts.

She sent everybody a cease and desist. She sent it to Janet. She sent it to Lala. She sent it to whoever. Like anybody that was associated with Michelle, no, she only sent it to Michelle. So I was operating under that guys for a while. I didn't really give a shit, honestly, because I think that Jesse and Lacey have been one of the only, like, interesting couples on the show for the most part.

So when we get into all of this, I'm with you. I have a hard time analyzing this because it's a lot of, she said, she said stuff. It's a lot of things that happened online, but deep dives and whatever. I'm leaning more towards Team Lacey just because a lot more has been highlighted online after this discussion, where there was a time where Janet was talking about bringing up or accusing Lacey of like getting a DUI with kids in the car. And you bring kids into it. We always say that, leave the kids out of it. You bring kids into it.

Like it's such a low blow that you lose immediately in my mind. So I'm more so on team Lacey because I think that these are. are just discussions that she's going to have throughout the season. Like, of course, she's going to talk to everybody. I mean, we're finally now and again, we're in episode seven. We're finally at the point where it's like, Lacey's been on the show the whole time. She hasn't had a discussion with Janet yet. That's kind of weird.

There was a lot of animosity there. She hasn't really had to sit down with Michelle, which I think is a little bit more reasonable because Michelle's made the comments like, I wouldn't be hanging around Jesse if it wasn't for the show. We would just be co-parenting and that would be it. So I think there's a lot that goes into it and there's a lot of nuances. But, I mean, this is what Janet does. She just twists your words and then waits for you to apologize.

There's always, always, always a Janet response that has to indicate that you have something to apologize for as well. She'll never be on the, she'll never just be the one to be like, you know what? I didn't know you. I had no idea what you were about. I was hearing things. You sent a cease and desist to my friend. Of course I'm going to back her up because I ride her and that's what Lacey says, which I think makes it a lot more reasonable, a lot easier to read from Lacey's perspective. Because she even said, she's like, look, if you just looked at me across the table and

I ride or die for my girls. I didn't know who you were. And my friend was saying that you were fucking with her. So I went against you and I had her back. Completely reasonable. And I think even Lacey said, I would have understood that. And we could have just moved on from all of this.

But there's more personal attacks. And it seems like you have an issue with me specifically. Me and Michelle have our own stuff. We don't need to have anything. There's no reason to now. Yeah. So I think that the way that Lacey handled it was good. And I obviously, Jesse getting involved was very funny because then you just get to see Lacey

be like, hey, nope, you're out of this. this. It has nothing to do with you, buddy. Yeah. Do you go apologize immediately? I think it's funny. I don't know if it's warranted all the time, but it's funny to see her treat him like a child, but I think there are moments where I'm like, all right, well, like,

back them up sometimes. Yeah, back them up a little bit. The bus in front of everybody every single time. Yeah. Like, I didn't have a problem. And again, Lacey, this is her first time. This is her first foyer into reality TV. I had no problems with Jesse yelling at Janet while she walked out. I don't think it was that big a deal.

It's not that big of a deal. I mean, Janet flipped them the bird, but they'll be fine. They don't really have much of a relationship, but they're copesthetic at the very least. Yeah. And that's such a Janet thing to do as well. I'm not going to apologize the way you want me to. This is going nowhere, quote unquote.

I'm out. Bye. And then she leaves. She never sticks in an argument, especially if she doesn't have anything to rebut. She's like, I'm out. Like, you're kind of right. and I don't want to admit that. So I'm just going to walk away and flip you off.

I can get tough when I'm walking away. I'll turn around to give you the bird, but not to your face. No. And then you got Jason. Jason hanging back to like discuss everything. Like, hey,

I don't really understand like why it started to blow up. Like you can't be doing stuff like that. Like, no, I think this is totally fine. This is part for the course. I actually made it out to seem like Jesse like fucking blue his top. I was like he barely even raised his voice.

It was worse later. I mean, he was rage baiting and he was gas. lighting the hell out of Jesse because this, and Jesse even says like that was not a 10 out of 10. That wasn't even close to a 10 out of 10. That was a fucking soft six at most. And Jason,

this is the thing, because we haven't seen it in a very long time since last season. This is where it's like, all right, Jason, you do nothing on this show. Your wife, good for the show. She keeps things going.

You do absolutely nothing. You hanging back to just tell him that he was wrong in the situation. Does nothing for me. Like, no, what I want to talk to you for? Yeah, go away.

you're getting a little too crazy over here, Jesse. You shouldn't yell like that, you psycho. Where? Oh shit, Janet. Hi, babe. It says like wet dream too to look over and Lacey's like, hey, Jesse, you need to apologize for yelling. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what she said. It emboldens Jason and Janet. Like, no, no, don't get. They don't need the, the ego boost of you agreeing. But I think it helped because like I don't want to hang on to Lacey versus Janet for a while. Like, that does nothing for me.

I want to address it and I want to move on. Exactly. And I think that in a weird way, Lacey doing that and keeping Jesse a little bit further away, like holding him in arm's length to have the discussion with Janet and Jason that we see in the parking lot right after, I think it actually does help us get to that end goal where it's like, okay, we can have a real conversation. Like I am not Jesse. Jesse is not me. You can talk to me directly and we'll be able to figure this whole thing out.

And I think that it's like a weird middle ground that I kind of appreciate because again, And it's not an issue that I want to be stuck on. No. When watching them talk in the parking lot, I actually felt bad for Lacey. She's like, that's my whole persona now, by the way. If you Google my name, it's Baywatch, legal shit, et cetera. I'm like, that sucks. Like that's, you caught a stray, but.

She's trying to get on the O.C. On the flip side, how thirsty were you for TV? Did you open yourself up to this? I have. Let me preface this by saying I have zero problem. with her trying to get on OC 17 times. Oh, yeah, no, she would have helped the show. She would have helped the show.

The show could have used that some new young blood getting involved at all of that. I would have watched the shit out of that. So I'm okay with that. I also think that's the right level of delusion that I want to see in Housewives. I don't know if she has a future there, but I'm completely okay with that. I think the rest of the cast kind of agreed too. It's like, by the way, no fucking problem with you applying to get on OC. That's cool.

Janet even says, she's like, I'm a fan. I understand that. Now, Janet, but just stank on it always. I don't believe everybody else. Janet, I don't believe. Well, I think that's the funniest thing is the whole dispute while we're going back and forth and we're talking about like Reddit threads and digging deep. And I have now you look her up, which is very funny that she's, if it's true that she's

blocked by David Hasselhoff and his new wife. That's just that's fucking hilarious. Yeah, that's awesome. So keep talking more and more about that. But when we're talking about like the mean girl aspect, which, you know, we've gotten very used to on reality TV over the last couple of years. Janet denies it vehemently. I had nothing to do with that.

These were just discussions. It's not like the six of us all sat down and started talking about you. She does it immediately as soon as we get back. I'm like, wait a minute. You said that you've never done this. But now what? Now it's out in the open. So you're like, all right, I guess we can sit down, which I kind of understand that

perspective where it's like, oh, now I can talk to them. But that's not what she's doing. She absolutely did that. Yeah, this is a conversation that's happened before when they're all in that room. And it's Janet and Brittany and Michelle. For sure. And Lala. And she's like, I don't like her and I don't like him.

All right. Like, fuck. And then they make a joke. This is where I don't think the house is like, oh, yeah. I said a year ago, like, I heard she auditioned for housewives and they all just start laughing. And like, this is my problem with that room. It's like, yeah, it is nice to see, you know, a group on this show just like laughing and

having fun. I didn't have that much of an issue with it. It's more so just Janet being Janet. And again, like. understand just because it irritates me and it's like this is exactly why people don't like you janet it is so necessary like we this is what we need for this show this is what we've been missing that janet jason aspect of the show is such a crucial crucial part of it because of stuff like this this episode doesn't happen all we would be doing this episode is watching danny treat his wife

like shit instead we've got an actual centerpiece we can focus on on this and this is going to graduate into Jesse having problems with people. Jesse getting involved. It's going to escalate and give us a main talking point that we've been so desperately missing from this show. So do I like that she's in there being mean? No. Is it crucial for the show?

Yeah. So I'm cool with it. I hate. I absolutely despise that we have to explain where our stances on this. I know. So that people don't. And look, and people are still going to comment like,

you guys seem to be fans of Janet. it's like just listen to us like we explain it way we explain it way more than we ever should have to and yet both of us feel the on us to be like all right we have to really get a janet disclaimer on the screen we see our logo in the corner we should just put a janet logo too like not fans i that's where i start to wonder like i know we watch these shows differently than you know the normal person that's just going to be watching it recreationally like whatever but at the end of the day we always want these shows to be good so we're on the right path when we see things like that.

And like what you just said, it paints a good picture of what the show could be. If you have this, like, yes, six of them sitting in there saying, I don't like Jesse and I don't like Lacey. And look at this.

She applied for OC 17 times. Like, that can be fun when that information gets brought back to Jesse and Lacey. And then they have a whole thing. There are teams. Like, let's not forget.

Jesse is still friends with Kristen and Luke. Danny and they, you know, whatever. And they, and Zach and I guess Benji, can throw in there. There is actually a really funny account. I think it's a son's eye roller. Yeah, yeah. I think it's Sutton's eye roller that does the Benji

word count. He's up to four. He had one word in this episode. Um, which shout up Benz. We do love Benji. But I told me Riley is friends with them. Yeah. Yeah. You want to tell the whole story again? Oh, and I was at the Southern Charm premiere. Yeah. Uh, anyway. So yeah, like there, let's not forget there are teams. Like they did form teams. There are people that don't like each other. And if something like this were to boil over, you'll see those teams come back. And they are formidable teams. Like that could actually be a good center point of the show. Instead, we're really just going to focus on Danny and the way that he treats his wife. And we don't want to. No. That's all. I actually, Danny and Nea have to get off the show. Like, we're never going to

move forward from it. No, I completely agree. They are making the show plateau and be stale and stagnant. because they no matter of what we do like we deviate from them for a scene and then inevitably Danny does some stupid shit and it's like fuck like and it's again like I know that the valleys thing is like oh it's a little darker you know it's more serious it's more real life like this hard all that kind of shit that's okay the stuff Danny does is not like part of like the ooh like we shouldn't be watching this but I kind of want to see what happens it's more like we shouldn't be watching this and I don't want to see this kind of thing. This is gross.

It's similar to Jacks being on the show. Exactly. Like last season. Substances, alleged substances, I guess I should say. Yeah, allegedly.

Go to rehab. You know, who knows what happened there. It's not a rehab. It was a fucking, like, I'm kidding. It's,

I don't think it was a club, dude. I think it was just a house in the Airbnb. Airbnb. Airbnb. It is very similar. Danny's behavior is incredibly similar to what Jacks was doing with Brittany.

Why is like I there should be talks like they're at the very least there should be talks of moving on without Danny and they don't even live in the valley anymore. Come on. They're in Santa Clarita and they can stay up in Santa Clarita. Yeah. But moving on, we get to Luke and Zach and they're sitting down and this again, this scene for me, this carries a lot of weight because I trust Zach. He's a good judge of character.

He's a reasonable person. So when he says all of these nice things to. Luke about all of that and also saying like, yeah, I know that that fight sucked when you guys went out for the first time. And I know it's hard like because you say, you know, you're trying in certain moments and like she's batting you down a little bit. Like she's going through it. I know you're going through it. You guys just kind of missing each other. Like Zach's playing the good middle ground of like, I know you're not a monster, Luke.

You are misstepping. I know Doty's not a monster. She's dealing with postpartum. So like I think you said the last episode. you know, sometimes people just need a little help. And I think that he is that year for both of them, even though he said like a third party would be better, but he's just assumed that role now.

But watching this scene, I thought painted a completely different picture. It paints a much more realistic picture of what this is. Is Luke perfect? No, fuck no, far from it. He's trying. Doty, she's trying. The biggest thing that we should all take away from this

is Luke is loving and supportive of his. wife and he's loving and supportive and cares for his child. And that is the craziest fucking thing. It took seven episodes to just get to that point of he's not a monster. Yep. Yep. And it's incredible too because I have the same takeaway. This scene was such a big difference maker because I trust Zach.

I mean, Zach is a ride or die for Kristen. If Luke was fucking around with Kristen's emotions the way that they want us to think he is while watching this show, then Zach would have a problem with it. He wouldn't be so unbiased. He wouldn't be so middle ground. He wouldn't be so I'll help you. I'll help Kristen. You guys need to get in a room together and start to figure the stuff out because he had a

conversation with Luke right now basically saying it's not the end of the world. Like you're doing a lot of things right. There's just little flare ups. Kristen's doing a lot of things right. There's just little flare ups. So he's looking at both of them and he knows what's going on and he's not really involving himself, but he's able to have a good idea of what's happening. whereas like we said, the first six episodes,

it was, well, Luke's a huge asshole and Christmas just at home with the baby. That's what they were trying. When is she going to leave this asshole? Yeah. And look, admittedly so, we fell for it. I mean, we really did. And look, we tried to keep the conversations

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But we get back to the house and you get. Ed Jesse, Jason, Lacey, Benj, Zach, all standing around. And this is where you get Jason coming in. Like, you were a 10 tonight for no reason. He was not. He wasn't. Like, stop, dude. I can't stand Jason.

Like, honestly. No. It just bothers me. That's what I was saying. Like, he absolutely was just trying to guess like Jesse to get another rise out of him. That's all he's trying to know. He knows, like, the way he comes in and starts talking about like, you know,

I just wanted, I made that joke because I figured like you'd be calmer by now. That is guess. lady. That is absolutely gas lady to even say to anybody who just, if you thought had a meltdown to say, oh, I thought you were calm or bell. I didn't mean to poke the bear. You did. That's all you're trying to do is just poke the bear, get another reaction out of him. And then you can act like he's crazy. Yeah, he's like, you're acting in a way like a normal human doesn't act. I was like, you're acting like he stood in the table and threw a glass. Like the guy raised his voice ever so slightly. And yes, you're trying to gaslight him. And to say like, I think that Janet would have stuck around and ended the conversation. Jesse hadn't put it in. Then why did she leave every other conversation? Well, I mean, yes, that that's very valid. But like she did stick around and finish the conversation just in a different setting. Yeah.

And then she. Exactly. And like we've seen her in every single confrontation or conversation. She fails. Like that's her thing. She reaches an impasse. They're not falling for her stick. And she walks away.

We saw her go to Nia and sure, it was framed by Lala like, Nia's got something. to say. But you're like, do you have anything to say? You don't? All right. See you. And you walked away.

You talked to Jasmine for two seconds. You didn't get into apology from her. So you didn't further the conversation. You walked away. So no, Jason, just because you say that she would have stuck around, we've seen what she does. She leaves the conversation. I wish she would stick around.

Whether it goes left, right up or down, I don't care. But I would love to see that go all the way through. It's funny that you use the curb with the frog voice for Jason because he is a puppet. And he's got Janet's hands far up his ass. just properly up is pooper but again like this is the moment where I'm like all right because what this is going to do it's just going to give Jason and Janet like a little like confidence booster when Lacey in front of everybody it was like did you apologize to Jason for yelling yet it's like and then she's like you can't yell in people's faces I'm like you look you're wrong

but you're you're being extremely patronizing right now to your boyfriend in front of the entire party and you do this a lot. And Jesse Brinsen bears it or whatever. And that could be the dynamic of their relationship. But to me, it gives, oh, you fucking hate him. I think now you're using him to get on the show and get in the spotlight. I think more so. I don't like the guy.

Yeah. And look, she might be using him just to get on the show. That's the one takeaway that you can have from all the OC applications if you're going to believe that it was 17. More for me, it irritates me because like you said earlier, it gives Janet and Jason some ammo. You have to know these people. And I don't think that Lacey really cares, let alone thinks about these things. But it immediately paints Jesse in a bad light. And then it gives Janet and Jason exactly what they want because they can just point to you and be like, see,

even your girlfriend agrees. And that might put her in a better standing, but it's going to put your boyfriend in a worse stand. Yeah. She literally says, Janet says to Lacey, just tell him to shut the fuck up. I was like, whoa. Yeah. Oh, like now she's commenting on how to speak to you guys were just fighting and now you're on their team it's three against one against jesse like yeah no unfair that's weird that's it's weird it's weird to me but the air is cleared between them for now and we get to lacy and michel and this whole thing obviously the cease and desist comes up and we've been drinking all day at this point like this is not the time to do this and you know michel starts to get him emotional about it because you know you threatened to sue me

And Lacey's thing is like, well, you know, I sent it to you to get you to stop talking about me. I was like, well, no way. You said. You said threatened wrong, though. Threatened. Threatened. Threatened. Threatened.

Yeah. That's how she says it. I'm sorry. You're threatened and you threatened to sue me. And she tries to say like I sent that so you'd stop talking about me. Like you don't send a cease and desist just to get somebody to shut up, especially if it's on a reality show. That's a weird thing to do. but bringing this part up is weird like for Lacey to go well your first text she brings up the

texts right and then she goes and talks about the window fiasco where allegedly Michelle pushed him through a window we get three different stories on this I'm assuming it's probably closer what Michelle said but I don't know yeah I don't know like we weren't in that room I have no I'm gonna put my my Jesse supporter hat on and be like uh I don't know it's probably somewhere in the middle. I mean, he may have been drunk folding laundry, that sounds about right. And then she also pushed him, but, uh, I mean, the whole story is fucking hilarious. I don't care. No one got hurt enough that, you know, we heard about it. It's just a funny story at this point for me. Uh, he didn't fall out of window. At the most, his hand went out of window. I don't know

if that's glass, a screen, whatever it may have been, probably a screen open window. Could have just been a fully open window. Who knows how the hell they were living towards the end of their marriage. Funny story. I have no issues with this at all. No, but to bring it up in this moment, for Lacey to throw that one out there, for Lacey to throw the text messages out there, you can have that conversation, like how we see later and be like, hey, well, I saw how you texted me. And I'm glad that Lacey addressed the part where it's like, you know, Jesse should not be showing this. Like that's the thing where I, like, I, Jesse loses my support because you're claiming I want this modern family, this, this co-parenting.

dream we all get along you're setting lacey up for failure because you're showing her this shit that that michelle is sending in duress by the way like she's emotional you guys are getting divorced and she's saying mean things about you're dating who's around her daughter is it the nicest thing in the world no but i think if you really if you think about no i'm so out i'm so out on her her feelings about lacey being around her daughter because she had arren around Isabella constantly. Totally agree. Immediately.

And this was before him and Lacey were even together. She had Aaron right away. She had Aaron like a week after they, which, you know, obviously the crossover, the layover, whatever you want to call it, that maybe she was cheating for two years. Maybe she wasn't. She had Aaron right away. And Aaron's a fucking weirdo with bug eyes. So you know what?

I think we're going to let bygods be bygots on that one. You're missing my point. I'm saying if the goal here, I'm not saying what she did in the text messages was good. Okay. what I'm saying is I understand in that moment why she would have said those things. I'm also saying, Jesse, if he wants them to all be cool, should not have shown the texts. I'm not saying that Michelle's right or wrong and Jesse's right or wrong. I agree with you 1,000 percent for her to try to hold the stipulation of you can't introduce people to our daughter,

but she introduces Aaron on a whim, the fucking honey guy, is bullshit. Totally agree. I'm just saying from you want to move forward with these co-parenting relationships. relationships. And Jesse, you've got to sit on some things. You shouldn't be bringing this shit up. That's all. And I also think that the way that that played out, based on what we've seen from Jesse and Lacey, Jesse probably tried to show her. She probably swatted the phone out of his hand and said, I don't want to see those things because that's just how I see these things going. And then she found out that Michelle was saying things about her appearance. And she's like,

well, that's not nice. Let me read it. It's not nice. I'm sure when Jesse presented his phone and said, she's saying bad things about you, she's like, I don't need to know that. get it out of my face now go over go back to your corner get back in your yeah go back in your kennel go go go shoe shoot make your leash yeah it's a weird situation but i this moment of la la jumping in i i thought was interesting like i get what she's doing she's defending her friend but it's also like all right well hold on you don't know all the ins and outs of this whole thing like yeah she's saying a lot of heavy shit right now by bringing up the window and stuff like that. But at the same time, she's like, you're throwing crazy shit out there, man.

I was like, whoa. I didn't think it was that crazy. No. If anything, it's kind of funny. See, like, and that's the Lala that we got used to because my takeaway from that, if I was in that group setting and I was with them all day and I had a couple of drinks, somebody mentions that Michelle pushed Jesse through a window. I am glued to whatever that story is. I'm not thinking that that's crazy shit that you brought up and it's mean.

I want to know more. Give me the whole story. Yeah, give us the breakdown so we can understand. But this is just proof positive once again that Brittany won her claim in the last episode where she's like, you know, people come to me to try to fake things out. And I get stuck in the middle. It's like they don't. And this is why because you try to insert yourself again, which is what you do.

Insert yourself in this. You guys need to, you know, talk about a year ago, like figure out what went wrong. But blah, blah, blah, figure it out implying to go back in time. and discuss what has happened. Now shit blows up and you're like, we're going back to the past. Like we shouldn't be bringing up the past. I'm like,

what you fucking just said to bring up the past. Lady, don't do this. Nobody should listen to Britney. Nobody should ever listen to Britney is the takeaway. Exactly. Like this is my point of last week of like, you don't need to be involved because when you are involved,

because you are incapable of taking a stance and guiding these conversations, telling people hard things to hear, all of the things necessary to be the mediator don't have those things. So stop trying to do that. People, again, they're coming to you to vent. They're not saying, hey, Britt, what should I do? Stop telling things to do because apparently it's the wrong thing every time. Yeah.

But we get to the morning. And we get to hear Schwartz talk about a sex dream with Lala, you know, and then she takes it a step further and says, it's not like you shit on my chest or anything. It's like, oh, okay, yikes. Way too quick. Also, didn't need to hear it.

I just don't need to know about these things. Don't need to hear about a Cleveland steamer from Schwartz to Lala. I'm good without that. I don't need to hear about Schwartz's boner either. I can cool without that knowledge. But I guess what they're showing is, like, how tight this friend group is.

How many times if I told you that I sex stream about you? You know, like a dime a dollar. It happens all the time. That's what we don't do it on camera. I know. Well, now I, yeah,

that's a good point. I guess we just did. But Doty and Luke, they sit down to have a conversation. And this is exactly what I assumed was happening. This is what I, you know, they,

they let us to believe that it's just disaster and everything's going wrong. And Luke is awful. I think they're missing each other. I think that he obviously has some major missteps. He's talking and focused about the wrong things for a long time. And I'm going to hold that to him. But as far as showing up for Doty, showing up for his kid, Zach has confirmed he's doing all of those things.

Doty so much has confirmed in this scene. Like, look, I know. I know I'm hard on you. I know I'm critical. And the most interesting part to me was the fact that she said, I'm afraid that he's going to wake up one day and be done. So I think that works adversely because that's, probably in the back of her head.

And so when she starts to have a moment, starts to get upset, she starts saying those things. And then she starts thinking about that. Like, oh, God, he's going to leave me. And that probably escalates things in her brain.

And then it gets more amped up. And then next thing you know, we're having a full-blown fight. I'm not blaming Doty by any means. Like Luke has done, I'm just saying, I think that that probably adds to her thought process as she's going through these things

because she's like terrified that he's going to bounce. And then she's like, wow, wait. And then it gets worse. Yeah, I mean, this is the first scene that we've seen where neither of them are strung out. It's not later in the night. They're not discussing whatever. They seem to both be in a good headspace and they're actually having a conversation about what's actually going on.

So we got it from the horse's mouth. We know how their home life is. We know what's going on with the baby. They're both tired. They're both exhausted. Now we're making them go down to San Diego with the baby and a babysitter while all of this is going on. So it's pretty much what we thought. but obviously we didn't think that Luke was associated with the baby.

Now we do. Now we know everything. I thought he was an absentee father based on the- Literally. I thought he was fishing every day and just didn't give a shit. He was fishing every day and he was going to the bar every night, probably hanging out with Jackson's own too much. He's on the fucking couch.

Yeah. Like that's literally what they wanted us to believe. But we got it from them. We don't have to fall for anything else. So if they try to do it again, if they try to go down that road again and paint Luke is a bad dad, we know that we know that, we've had this conversation already.

So we know what it looks like. Don't let them do that to you. Yeah. And furthermore, Doty's saying Luke wants to communicate and talk through things rather than sweep it, which is what I'm used to. So again, like I trust Doty.

I trust Zach. If they're telling us these things, I believe them. I don't trust Jeremiah at all. No. That guy can suck a butt. He's the worst. So,

anyhow who, let's go to the zoo. and this this gets interesting. So we're going on Safari. It's hot as balls. We do have a babysitter. I'm not in any way shape or form. I'm going to get in trouble for this one.

Don't worry. I'm not defending Danny. In this instance, I guess I don't understand why the baby is on the safari. Either somebody stay back or let the baby stay with the babysitter to not have a baby in 90 plus degree weather without shade on the back. on the back of a truck going through a safari. That made no sense to me.

Yeah. Generally speaking, that was really stupid. It was absolutely stupid of somebody who has, how many kids do they have five? They have five now? I don't even forget it. Whatever, they've got four. You've had three other kids.

Have you ever tried to take them on a safari in the middle of the summer in the hot sun? Probably not, because it would be a stupid move. I don't understand what she was thinking. I don't understand what I mean, Danny is just out. of it he doesn't give a shit what's going on but again like you said there's a babysitter there this was just stupid the only funny like a babysitter moment it seems like a babysitter moment i'm trying to tread carefully here but obviously danny doesn't give a shit i mean he questions it but he's been

questioning everything since they got there and he very clearly didn't want the baby to go they have a babysitter there he flew the babysitter down he thought the baby was going to be with the babysitter the whole time because he doesn't listen to his wife we listened to his wife she can only breast the baby. She can't pump and give the baby milk. She can only breastfeed. We've heard that seven times. Danny has heard it zero times. He doesn't give a shit. And to show that he doesn't care even in this moment while it's hot. Like this is the situation that you're in. Try to make your wife feel comfortable. Try to make the baby feel comfortable. I don't know. Be a dad. Don't just complain because the baby's there. You can't fix it. You can't change anything. You have to wait until the ride's over. They're not going to

pull over and get you back because the baby's hot. It's just not going to happen or because knee is hot, whatever. But Zach leaning over and asking with a cold Diet Coke, is this going to help? That was funny as hell to make. That was more than the entire time. I know. Cold Diet Coke, maybe put it on the baby's forehead. Like, that's what I was thinking.

Like, maybe. That's what I thought. Probably. Like, to your point, do I think that the baby should have been there in the first place? No, I don't. Yeah. But the baby's there. The last thing you should do, Danny.

is no temper tantrum because your baby's on the bus. Like that made no fucking sense. Like I'm baffled that he knows there's cameras. He knows there's microphones. And he does this shit. Like your wife is sitting next to you with your three month old child. It's hot as shit. She's uncomfortable.

She's overwhelmed. She explains exactly how she's feeling. And he's like, yep. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? I don't know. Do it comfort your wife.

Be it dad. pick up the baby, do something that's not being rude to your family members. It makes no sense. Somebody commented, I think on YouTube. I thought it was a good one. I was like, Danny wants kids, but he doesn't want kids. Like he wants to have the family of four. He wants to have the four under four, the Christmas card, the white picket fence.

He doesn't want to do anything. He doesn't want to raise the kid. He doesn't want to do any of that stuff. He just wants to do everything on his terms. Yeah. Exactly. And like, is like when we talk about what their home life looks like or what they're going to be talking about at home behind closed doors away from the cameras i imagine

because they've painted a picture of what daddy's like when he talks to nia i imagine that they had a very long drawn-out argumentative conversation about whether or not nia should go whether a baby shitters should go whether the kid should go like he probably i would imagine said well we could just pump like the baby'll be fine we can leave the baby at home it's not that big of deal. Like we can have a babysitter come in. We can have one of our parents come in to watch the baby and just see if that work. Yeah, I know, but he probably proposed that they could do that. Like, oh, baby's got alert at some point. Oh, no, I know. I'm saying, like knowing Danny, he doesn't even

acknowledge that the baby doesn't take a bottle yet. Like, Nia has to feed the child. And to your point, he doesn't even register. That's not even in his brain. He's just saying, mom can take him. Yeah. Babysitter could take him. Babysitter could take them. Not a big deal. I mean, I just want to get my drink on while we're down to San Diego. I want to be able to cut loose and have fun with my wife, not have fun with my wife and baby.

No, he literally says, I want to be alone with my wife. And given how he's talked about every other thing, when he says, I want to be alone with my wife, I'm like, oh, you're making a sex comment again. You're pissed off because you have a baby there and you can't have sex with your wife.

She's miserable. She's not doing well. And you just keep talking about sex. Great. Great. Awesome. You fucking idiot. Like that, here's my thing.

Like, looking at that whole safari situation, yeah, it sucks that Nia would have to stay back. Danny, stay back. You and Nia stay back with the baby and meet them at the zip line or the bar afterwards. Yeah, dude. Bite that bullet and skip the safari. Like, do anything that is not selfish to help your family out. Too much to ask. Yeah, you're right.

He doesn't even listen anyway. what's the fucking point. But we get to this zip. I love this zip line thing. That's the new trope now. I guess. On every show. It was 20s flapper parties,

sound baths, and now we've landed on zip lines. I always cracks me up. When people talk about it, you're going base jumping or jumping out of an airplane. It's like you're sitting on. You know what's funny about the 20s flapper party is after the summer house audio leaked.

He got mad about it. Yeah, he was absolutely talking to us. so much happens live. He literally said, Roaring 20s flapper parties for everybody. Every show is getting one of those. So he knows.

He was definitely listening to us. Yep. 100%. We talked about those ad nauseum. But we're at the bar afterwards. I love just seeing Doty and Luke viving. Like they're having a nice time finally. Like they seem like they want to be around each other.

Remember, like this is a couple that we always loved. Like we loved these two together last year, the season prior. They've had their ups and down. Sure. but they seem like they really love each other. It was nice to see that again. It's like,

oh, they do love each other, despite what Germain's trying to convince us of. But Michelle, it's like, all right, now's the time. Lacey,

let's go have a little chit-chat. And she had like a preamble with Lala, like how to do it. And it's like, you know, just set the boundary, right? Because like,

how are we supposed to co-oparent healthy? If you bring up shit, that doesn't matter. Go set the boundary, be friendly, but stern. I agree with that. Like set your,

set your intentions now. So Michelle and Lacey go and talk and Michelle leads it off. She's like, I don't want what happened yesterday to ever happen again. Like this needs to be figured out. And Lacey's like, I apologize, I feel horrible.

What I'll give Lacey is she seems to be aware of the situation and the different facets of it because she's like, look, I know it's hard because of him. Like, it's hard because of Jesse. Like, I totally get that. And I get Michelle saying,

look, it's really not about you. Like, even the text of me like shitting on your appearance like it really wasn't at you as funny as that sounds it was more so my reaction to i'm seeing this woman near my kid i've never met this woman and you caught astray like all of that anger and all of those emotions were all aimed at jesse unfortunately you were at the uh the receiving end of it now this is where she says the thing where it's like you know we're not supposed to introduce anybody it's like well you can't say that

because yeah it's no sense no and It absolutely doesn't. And that's what I was saying earlier. But this is for the crowd out there that always says, you know, I like watching this show because it's real and I want to see real conversations with adults. This I actually am entertained by. This is something I'm actually very intrigued by because Jesse is an asshole. And him co-parenting with Michelle seems like something that's going to be very strenuous.

I want to see these two talk. I actually want to see the conversations that they have about co-parenting, about going through things and getting over all the shit that happened last Like this is actually very interesting to me. So I think that weirdly enough for Michelle, who's been hit or miss for a while, but she's been hitting a lot more this season. She's been having a good season. I didn't know how this conversation was going to go.

She chose to hold on a grudge. She was going to choose to hold on a grudge. I didn't really know how it's going to feel about it until it happens. But Lacey, it seems like, and she starts the conversation off correctly, I want to be able to navigate this in copair. And Michelle seems to resonate with that. So they do want what's best for their situation. Their situation is wacky with cameras involved.

Jesse involved, obviously, but for Lacey, rather, to see the self-awareness of, yeah, no, Jesse's going to make it difficult. We don't have to make it difficult. That's huge. That's absolutely huge. So I thought that both of them actually handled themselves really well in this conversation. We got all we got way over all the petty bullshit that happens. And I think we can actually move forward.

I think it's fine. Yeah. And it got contentious at times. I think that that's indicative of like this is a real conversation because it gets like, you're like, uh-oh, go left, and then they reel it back in, starts to go left, they reel it back in. So that tells me that Michelle said everything she needed to say. It tells me that Lacey heard it.

And Lacey also said what she needed to say in regards to everything going on. I think they chalk it up to more or less like blaming Jesse, which is fine. I know. But they're cool. And that's where they all. We need them to be cordial because at the end of the day, we're thinking about Isabella. It's about her. It's not about these idiots.

Then we get the pageant announcement. We're going home to do a little pageant. the boys are going to dress up and drag and we're going to judge him and all that. It's fun. It's funny. It's like a light little activity to do. Not in a million years. Did I see this shit go in the way that it went?

Yeah. Which is shocking because I just should assume that Danny's going to be a piece of shit. I think the funniest part of all of this is the clip that we saw of Lala over and over again. I thought she was yelling at Jesse. I could have sworn she was yelling at Jesse. So I didn't see this coming.

Even in this moment, I'm like, wait. I knew she yelled at Danny. I knew she yelled at Danny. I thought she, every single. And like, look, when I watched that clip, I was probably rolling my eyes. So I wasn't really paying attention. I was looking at my ceiling halfway through as my eyes rolled the back of my head. But I really thought she was yelling at Jesse, which made total sense because Jesse and Lala hate each other.

Total sense. Now, as soon as this starts and Danny starts up with Nia, I'm like, oh, God, she yells at Danny. This might actually be a reason for me to like Lala. I didn't see this coming. But yeah, I mean, I'm going to hold out my judgment of how everybody looks until we get the show, which I hope the show continues because it looks like everybody put a lot of time and effort into this one. But getting to see everybody getting ready and Luke and Doty who have had a lot of contentious conversations and situations over the last couple of weeks, seeing them vibe and having a great time getting ready, seeing Jesse and Lacey, who seems to be not involved in a lot of things, doesn't really want to be part of it. She's having a good time getting Jesse ready.

And then you get over to Nia and Danny. Everyone else is having a great time. Jason's not there. So we don't get to see him and drag. Oh, man. I really wanted to see him and drag. Nope, don't really care. But getting over to Danny and Nia.

And yes, this is a good time to highlight him drinking the whole weekend. I mean, he's been boozing it up the whole weekend. You can see him slurring his words. This was just, this is what you don't want to watch. This is the stuff that you really don't want to watch with this show. And if it's a one and done situation, fine. Show us a bad dude. But we've been building to this.

It's just, it's brutal. It was Jacks. That's all it reminded me of. He's like, we're here to win. It's like she's not saying that. She's trying to talk to you.

You just keep drugging the same. Once again, she's putting the baby down, just like the sandwich conversation that we had last episode. She's putting the baby down. She doesn't have time to get you ready. Come put on my dress. Why are you?

doing it like that. Oh, stop, dude, like yells at her. It's just, it's, it's devolving so fast. I'm like, what the fuck is this guy's problem? And the worst part of it is this fucking asshole wants to go to a confessional. So he's had time to ruminate on all of this. He's had time to think about his actions, how he talked to her, how Lala responded, how other people in the house responded.

And even so, he goes to a confessional. And he's like, yeah, I know, she's got a lot of plates spinning in. the air at the same time, but you know what? I'm pretty frustrated. I feel like I'm not getting the attention everyone else is getting. Well, maybe, Daniel, maybe if you fucking got off your ass, banana, well,

maybe Daniel, if he got off off your fucking ass, put the baby down, showed Nia that you care, showed Nia that you're willing to be a dad, showed everybody that you're not some piece of shit, selfish asshole that doesn't care about his family. She would want to be doing more things. She would be giving you more attention, not to mention

she tried to give you attention at the theme part dickhead what did you do that seems performative seems like you put it on so what do you want do you want her to give you attention or not when she does you tell her she's being performative when she doesn't you complain to the camera and you say mean awful things to her and then you go to confessional to talk to us like we're going to agree with you oh oh fuck yourself dude like do the bare minimum as a father and a husband and your wife might want to be around you she might say nice things to you she might give you attention by the way you're always the center of attention because you're such a rambunctious asshole.

So what do you want to? Like he doesn't know what the fuck he wants. And the fact that he tries to explain it away is is comical. It's fucking hysterical. It absolutely is. And I think that the the performative comment is especially enlightening to me because that was a big issue that we had last year where you guys said both you and Nia said, we're not performative.

We don't put things on. Everybody knows. That was not part of like the. It wasn't a talking point last year because there was so much else going on. Now it is. Now it absolutely is. And I don't really blame Nia for being performative because why would she want to have a fight with you if this is what you're like? Not only on TV, but also in front of everybody else.

So then everybody else starts talking about it. She just really doesn't want you to be the version of you that you are right now that you probably are most of the time in front of other people because she doesn't want to talk about it. She doesn't want to deal with it. It's almost like it's her hardship to bear. That seems to be the mentality that she's been having. And look, that's her prerogative. She wants to do that in the normal world. Go ahead and do that.

I feel bad for you. But if you have to do it, you have to do it. And when it comes down to it, the way he's doing this in front of everybody else, either he's drunk as shit and doesn't realize that what he's doing is wrong when everybody else is evolved and looking over like, oh, fuck, here he goes again. Or he's just so righteous that he doesn't think that what he's doing is wrong. And there's no issue there. It's a combination of both.

But Lala poking her head in, I have no problem with her doing this. somebody fucking step in because Nia is getting absolutely pushed down by Danny verbally while he's going through all of this. Somebody step in. Why not Lala? Because the word trigger was an issue for a while. This one actually makes sense. And she wants to interject herself when somebody else can easily. Go for it.

Step in. Tell him like, look, don't talk to your wife like that. Just don't do that. And that shows you all you need to know about Danny. Because when he blows up and he starts mocking her about saying that it was triggering, Like, oh, God, dude. What a terrible dude. He's just an absolute piece of shit.

I agree 100%. Once you make it the house's problem, then somebody needs to step in. Like you can't sit there and listen to a man berate his wife like that and not expect somebody to do something. I think it was eye opening that in a confessional, Nia still tiptoes around defending it. She's like, you know, first off, like, you know, it's truly none of your business. Like, what are you doing? but it was nice to hear someone say what I've been feeling. It's like, yeah, that's tough.

I get what you're saying at the same time. Like, no, like you absolutely have to step in there. Somebody had to do that to knock him off the ledge because it was going to get worse. It was escalating. He was literally complaining about every little thing that she did. My hair is not do my hair. My makeup. Oh, stop.

Like all of that is such a whiny little bitch. So yeah, I was stoked when Lala spoke up. and for all people to speak up, she's a great one to do it. All the shit she went through with Randall. So when she says that this triggers me, it's not like the millennial like trigger word. No,

she's fucking triggered. And I feel bad for her because it's reminding her of the shit that she went through. And she's watching Nia. And I'm sure that hits home for her. She's watching this woman just kind of get beaten down. And it's like, I don't, I can't stand for this. And then when he said,

I miss triggered, I was like, somebody punched this guy in the fucking mouth. Yeah. Somebody has to. in the fucking teeth because he deserves it. The one, the only thing that in this whole situation that kind of made me laugh a little bit was Lala walking around and getting comfort from Lacey of all people, which I haven't

seen the two of them really interact at all. Yeah, the breathing exercise. The breathing exercise and then the, uh, the hand on the chest, like this is really good for when you're triggered because it's how you were in the womb. It's the safe space. It's how you were in the womb and your knees were up against your chest. So that's why it feels good. That made me laugh a little bit.

it because whatever works for you works for you but it's always going to make me laugh now i need to know obviously the the culmination of this episode danny still clearly doesn't fucking get it walking around still saying mistriggered looking at la laa and saying that and taking umbrage with the way that she's acting what's your take on jesse should he have gotten involved and said something or should he have just sat there and said nothing he should have gotten involved and told Danny to shut the fuck up. Like that, it's pretty simple. Like, you're sitting there watching this take place.

You just sat and talked to Lala and said you noticed it. Yeah, some people are making it a way bigger deal than I think it needs to be. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but I agree with you. I think he should have at least said something to Danny, at least just said get the fuck out of the room. Like, just don't be here right now. I mean, there's people online that are just like he should have gotten up and gotten in his face. Like he had all this smoke for Janet and Jason. And I'm like, well, that's a different situation where Lacey's.

He's involved and he's defending her, like whatever. I don't think it's that big of a deal that he didn't, but I still think he should have said something to daddy at that point. Like you said, it's become the whole house's issue. Right. The minute that you do that in front of everybody, you open yourself up to it, he absolutely should have stepped in. He should have said something to him and helped Lala out. He talked to Lala before this happened and said, like, yeah, I heard it too. Like he's aggressive and he's ordering around.

He's definitely drunk. Are we going to the dark side? Hey, brother, you just laid it all out. now you're watching it in real time and you don't have the balls to say, hey, Dickhead, shut the fuck up. And I wish you would have. Well, it does end there. So I don't know.

Maybe he will. There's a chance that the next episode starts that he does. So that's why I just wanted to see because I know there was a lot of discourse online, but there's always one of my favorite tropes of like it happened on the summer house a lot because in the theme parties where you have serious moments and people are in costume or in drag. Yeah. Like you're having this serious conversation. Jesse's wearing makeup and a wig.

But yeah, dude, I, I don't know. I wish I wish so bad that he got punched right in the fucking nose. Like, oh, I haven't wanted to punch. There's no one there. There's no one at that house that would do that right now. No, but God, wouldn't it be so satisfying to just see him get his clock clean it? Whack? Smell you.

Oh, man. It gets me excited even talking about it. Well, let's see what the audience has to say. Jacqueline Michelle Kress. Why is Lacey with Jesse? Am I missing something? She might be with him just to be on TV. That's kind of what I'm getting.

No issue with that. It might also just be how she is in relationships and he seems to like it. I don't know. Whatever it is, it's a very weird dynamic. But if it works for them, it works for them. If she's with them to be on TV, I don't really care for that. But I also think it's kind of funny at the same time. So I'm a little conflicted.

Yeah. Oh, from Condor. Do you think that Janet regrets going after Danny since he's exposing himself as the worst now? Now she's going to take my... Maybe. but yeah, she's absolutely going to take credit for it. I think that she probably regrets going as hard as she did. I think that she would not take back anything else.

But what we're going to get is Janet saying, see, guys, I told you. Yep, exactly. Danny Darko. Mary had a little. Do you think Danny owns any of their pants beside those fuck-ass caprice? Well said. That youth pastor look. He's got that and he's got torn jeans.

The Kelvin comparison is so good. Like if you don't know Kelvin Gemstone, do yourself a favor. Google Kelvin Gemstone and you'll be like, that's Danny. I might like superimpose Danny's face on top of Kelvin Gemstone next week for questions. But I can't do that because then you guys are just going to focus on the damn picture, not ask us any questions. Yeah, but I think I'm with it. It might be. From N. Brachman, men, would you expect anyone else from the cast to confront Danny about his behavior towards Nia?

full strength, Kristen? No, still no, because she's defending him right now. That's the tough part. Jacks. No, I need, you know what? Jacks would do it and it would be the most hypocritical thing ever, but we'd be like somebody had to do it. We've seen Schwartz step in in years past with stuff like this,

like out of nowhere. I think that it would land the best if Luke did it. If Luke had the balls to talk to him and be like, hey, dude, you are just an incredible piece of shit. Like, I'm talking to your wife like that. I think that would probably have the most effect. But it's quite clear that, you know, the way that Danny talks to Lala, the way that, you know, he's able to say things. And Lala just responds. He's like, don't talk to me like that.

He's such a misogynist asshole that he genuinely thinks like I'm up here and women are down here. women don't talk to Danny like that. Danny talks to women like that. And that's why honestly, like the most satisfying thing, I think would be if Lala punched him in the mouth. Absolutely. So good.

Oh, man. Yeah. And then she finally proved that she was a hard ass. A hard ass. I mean, it's a full circle moment. And we get to watch Danny, you know,

get whacked by. Yeah. Lala would be, that would be one of the best moments in Bravo history. I know we're not supposed to root for violence, but Danny deserves me, much the face. From J.L. Limbaugh.

This is like old school teen mom level of toxic with the excuse of everybody being 16. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much where we are. You think Janet. Oh, go ahead. You didn't read the name.

Go ahead. Lash 16. Justice for Janet. She knew all along that Danny was a thumbbag. Get him off the show. Justice for Janet. I think you should. That's strong.

Maybe don't leave that sentence in your vocabulary, but you're not totally wrong. You're just a little wrong. It's just the way that had she gone about it in a different way last year, it would be different. Like, again, we're not defending Danny at all. But when you throw the words out there that Janet threw out there, you have to have proof. You need the smoking gun. By the way, if you have it, by all means, expose this motherfucker. I have no issue there.

But to make those claims, like you have to have some solid proof and she did it. Is she right about Danny being a creep and an asshole? 100%. Justice for Janet, it settled out. Yeah, exactly. From Hildita La Del Barrio, how could Danny do a 180 from last season? I know these are his true colors, but he's not even trying to hide it. He deserved more than what Lala served up.

Absolutely. I think, I mean, the 180 from last season, I think is strong because, I mean, he was showing that he was a piece of shit for a long time. But we'll focus on that middle part there that he's not even trying to hide it. That shows you who he is, what he is because he does not believe that he's wrong. Correct.

And that's where the misogyny comes into play. Yeah. The old, this is my wife, I'll talk to her how I want type of thing. Bingo, exactly. And he probably says that to her behind closed doors. Yeah.

I am the man of this house. That fucking shit. See if we got one more in here. Oh, this is going on. Yeah, go ahead. Megan O, Megano. The only thing that got me through this, oh, we read that again, the only thing that got me through Danny this episode was knowing y'all will tear him up.

Hopefully we didn't disappoint. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Got any more in there? No, that's it. Well, yeah, I mean, there is. The thing with this show, like, we need. need a reckoning for Danny we need something somebody to step the fuck up I don't care who it is

I don't care what it happens but it needs to be soon and somebody needs to clock him I know you can't punch people in the face you get kicked off the show probably but the verbal equivalent of punching him in the face please like anybody grow a fucking spine stop sticking up for your boy and do something about it because this is atrocious to even watch. And this is where Jermaine and Jeremiah come into play. Why is this being featured on a TV show?

You guys got rid of Jax because he was too problematic. And now I'm watching Jacks 2.0, but he's about two feet shorter and more of a bitch. So like can we not? Can somebody do something please? Thank you. Yeah.

Well, we'll see. We will see. I think it's a Doty moment, but Doty's defending him. So that's where that one goes out the window. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.

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