Bros & Shows - Drama at a Doggy Party (Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

What's up Bros? Merry Chysler and Happy Holidays, we wanted to make sure you have some content today if youre traveling for the holidays or just enjoying some much needed down time. In this episode of... Southern Charm, JT pens a letter apologizing to Patricia. Shep and Austen continue to question Craig and their relationships with him. While it does sound like maybe Craig could be making a little more of an effort, at the same time Shep and Austen seem extremely peanut butter and jealous of Craig and the major steps forward he's taken in his life. Rod is throwing a doggy birthday for his dog. JT does not get invited due to the chaos he's already starting this season, including but not limited to the Madison affair comments. We get to meet Sienna for the first time, and while Shep seems enamored with her, we can see why there is some speculation surrounding their relationship. We get introduced to Salley, who also dated Gaston and hooked up with Shep. She has the same reviews of Shep that we have heard from multiple parties, but she gives us the scoop on Gaston. Apparently he cheated on her for the entire 3 months they were together...The doggy party gets a little awkward with all the exes. Sienna is a little weird towards Taylor, Taylor is a little weird with Shep, Shep is weird with everyone. It seems like JT wouldve been fine at the party considering there was plenty of drama elsewhere. Madison sits down with JT to air out her issues with what he said about the FaceTime in Jamaica. But the conversation doesn't go exactly how we expected it to... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:45 Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always. by the one and only jolly saint goots what's up dude are you sitting on that one for a little while no no it just came to me i like it i you know that's the only way to get into the christmas
Starting point is 00:01:12 spirit is to have a goofy ass nickname for yourself so i'll allow it i'll allow it okay what's mine then i don't know i don't give you nicknames well you said it's the only way to you said it's the only way to get in the christmas spirit or the holiday spirit so do me I'll do you, pal. Do me, you fucking, you pervert. Give me a nickname. I was going to do some sort of, some spin on the Grinch stealing Christmas,
Starting point is 00:01:40 but I don't want to be grinchy. You know, there's no cause for concern here. There's no issues to be grinchy about. We're just here having a good time. We're just some holly jolly bros, you know? We are some holly jolly bros. And we're here to talk about a holly jolly jolly show. And that Southern Charm,
Starting point is 00:01:57 which great seasons, far really enjoying it taking some different turns than i thought it would this episode went differently than i expected i saw some clips so i knew what to expect going into it yep but it wasn't what i imagined it would be uh once again i will say this about j t if this was how he was able to maneuver the whole season that's two episodes in a row like he's tolerable it wasn't awful so i actually felt somewhat bad for him at the end of this episode which is a I'll tell you why we'll get him to look the we I think we're we're in agreement that we didn't hear him call miss Patricia a bitch so it didn't happen in our eyes juries right could be
Starting point is 00:02:43 spitting things he could be paraphrasing assuming things whatever he might be doing there's no visual evidence we've got nothing here to show that j t called miss patricia a bitch but he did insinuate that madison that brett thinks that him and madison had an affair so he does deserve all the things coming to him at the end of this episode. I agree. So it's a two-parter. Dev and I had a long conversation about it. It's a two-parter with the J.T. Madison scenario, which I will get to when we get to that conversation at the end. But everything else with this show is, I mean, it's right on track. It's what I'm used to in a good way. The newbies are entertaining. I like Molly. I like Sally. We don't really know her that well yet, but I like that duo. It seems like
Starting point is 00:03:26 they're tighter than, because the newbies last time were Olivia and Taylor. And we obviously, I liked Olivia. I wish they brought her back. I think she's the one that said she didn't want to come back. I'm not entirely sure how that went down. Yeah, we're not really sure either because I was talking about it today too. It seems like there's no real confirmation, but I think that she had at some point had said in an interview that because she's not spending a ton of time in Charleston, Bravo probably
Starting point is 00:03:52 gave her some options saying you need to spend more time in Charleston if you want to be on the show. She wanted to stay on the show, but she didn't want to be in Charleston that often. So it just kind of hit some sort of impasse. It just didn't work out. So it was probably more mutual than anything, but I don't really see the need to bring back Taylor. You should have brought back Olivia. I know. Yes. Yeah. Well, if Olivia can't do it, but maybe that's what it was. Like, I already, I guess we'll bring Taylor back. Yeah. I don't know. Or maybe because she caused so much shit last year, they're like, oh, let's, that's run it back. I don't know. Not really sure, but Yeah, time will tell.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Time will tell. But let's get into this episode because we got to gear up. We have our live stream tonight. You're obviously hearing this after the fact. But we got to get ready for our Roslick live stream tonight. So we got to, you know, it takes time to get in the zone mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually. I got to do a sound bath. Yeah, you're doing a sound bath.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I was going to say basically we just have to get in the right frame of mind where we're not distracted by the questions popping up on the other stuff. comments on the side that we did good last time well they got sidetracks a couple times for our first time i was really surprised that we did that well that was too genuinely but let's jump right into this one and uh we start out with j t and he's writing his apology letter and like i said like this scene was funny to me you know he's trying to figure out what to say he's talking about cursive which they don't teach anymore by the way it's like uh it's an outdated art form can you still do cursive yeah definitely i honestly i feel like my cursive is limited to my signature at this point i've been doing a lot of christmas wrapping recently and i do feel
Starting point is 00:05:29 like when you put the tags on drop a beat it looks nice yeah no well that's actually a great christmas song what's your favorite christmas song oh man um well my my old favorite has in the past few years been labeled a problematic song what fairy tale in new york no fairy tale of philadelphia is now my new favorite um but over baby it's cold outside uh yeah because the overall message is not awesome so that one has been since uh stricken from the list i just think the duet was nice like it's two nice voices sounds nice yeah and then you you get to the underlying message and it's like no let let that woman leave yep yep doesn't matter how cold it is yeah let her actually make sure she gets home safely order that one
Starting point is 00:06:22 woman and Uber. Yeah, we need a modern version where it ends with him getting her an Uber so that she gets home safe. I really can't stay. That's okay. I booked you a car out there. Now you're on to something. We should do that.
Starting point is 00:06:37 That's really funny. There's a sleigh out there. Oh, there you go. There you go. Like a nice sleigh home. But if it's cold, I guess that doesn't solve that problem. But yeah, fairy tale of Philadelphia, sung by the Philly Specials. I'm a new favorite.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Yep. What about you? Yeah. I bounce between fairy tale of New York and probably do they know it's Christmas time? Because that band-aid lineup is fantastic. If you haven't watched the music video for that, it's great because you actually get to see all the people involved where there's a lot of voices on there and you can pick up here and there who it might be. But it's like 20 people on that damn song. It's great.
Starting point is 00:07:16 That's a good one. All right. Well, there you go. But back to the show. I like this. seen and again if this was j t uh the majority of the time i would really have no issues with him i thought it was funny him trying to work out the wording it's something that i like if i was in a similar situation i would probably do the same thing like oh man it gets stuck halfway
Starting point is 00:07:36 through something it's relatable and that's all he needs to do is show that he's not like a douche all the time but uh i'm going later on him i don't think that he like again we'll save that conversation for the end but we get to chef and austin and these two They need to get over the Craig thing. It's just a tough look. It's like, guys, I get it to a certain extent because they're sitting there complaining about the lack of effort and time that Craig's putting into their friendships. And, okay, I can hear it a little bit.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Like, fine. You guys miss the guy because Austin always goes back to that. He'll say some shit. But then it comes back to I just really miss him. It's like, all right. So maybe take the stake out of it where it's, they almost belittle his business and what he's trying to do like he's trying to be Martha Stewart and this and that's it's working he's doing really well he's very successful with this business so it's weird to take shots at it ship obviously
Starting point is 00:08:33 he's out on an island here because he's got trust fund money so it's not the same thing at all he's just bummed out because he misses his drinking buddy and i think at the end of the day both guys are looking at him going shit he's really got his shit together this makes us look even worse let's shit on Craig because it makes us feel better. I get it to a certain standpoint. Now, obviously this is two Peter Pan sitting there talking about a guy who broke the habit, grew up, found a normal, stable life, has a really good relationship with another girl who is helping him through and helping him mature.
Starting point is 00:09:07 And now he's putting all of his focus into his backyard, which is beautiful. And he's having a great time being a homeowner, which makes a lot of sense and attracts for somebody who makes things like sewing down south, where there's buildings. and there's homeowner stuff. So you can call him Martha Stewart or all you want. He's doing a great job. So they're jealous of it. It's very apparent.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Everybody can see it. I don't think anybody watched that scene and said, oh, wow, yeah, Craig has really changed a lot. Maybe he needs to, like, find some common grounds. No, you're looking at two men who are pushing 40, if not over 40 in Shep's case. And they miss their 25-year-old drinking buddy. And this is just their time to tee off on them.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Start talking about shit that happened 10 years ago. He was ripping Yeager bombs on King Street. so was I like you know what I mean like it's one of those things like yeah so was steel you eventually you do grow up you go to the suburbs you get out of the city you have a really nice place and it's nice and quiet and then you start thinking about the future of your life you're not stuck on king street ripping jagger bombs anymore because if you were people would be looking at you like you're a loser Craig's not a loser he has just grown up and they need to find some little I know that Craig's a little distant and he tends to be stuck in his ways he's not going to meet you halfway he's not going to come out
Starting point is 00:10:18 and just sit at your house and drink beers and watch golf like they tried to get him to do you have to go over and sit in his backyard and just sit around and talk to him you can sit there and drink you can get an uber over there so that you're nice and safe he won't have any problems with that but you're meeting him at his place if you just want to be friends of them just go be friends with them it's really not that hard but they would rather sit at a bar and just complain about the person that he is today and it reeks of jealousy and it is tough to watch yeah and i think can more effort be made on his part potentially yeah all right fine i'll give you that maybe he's not doing enough or he's not showing you that he he gives a shit that's a different story but the way they go about it like you said to take it back to the shit he used to do like shepp bringing up the adderall thing i think that's fucked it's just a bad i guess it's just dirty they're playing dirty pool and it's like yes okay he used to be a mess he's no longer that person if we held everybody accountable for how they were 10 years ago i think we'd all have a lot of shortcomings the whole point of life is to make decisions grow up and change And that's what he's done.
Starting point is 00:11:19 What is dirty pool? I'm going to have to ask you that. You never use that one? I've used the phrase before, but I wonder if you know what it means because I have no idea. Dirty pool, you know, if you, oh, look over there. Then you move a ball or you double tap the stick, you know. Dirty pool. Yeah, it means you're fudging the rules a little bit.
Starting point is 00:11:36 All right. You got it? Move a ball here, move a ball there. I wasn't sure if there was like a better, yeah, like a better strategy to it where you're using like a corked cue or something, you know? I don't know if a corked cue is the same thing this is for batting practice what is for my trick shots on the outside what are you talking about me out and admitted to steroids like a week ago no shit sammy we know well thanks for what you did for the game but you know we know
Starting point is 00:12:05 fun to watch by the way yeah but anyway i i don't know i will see how the their relationships either fizzle out or if they're able to get closer i again Maybe Craig could put in more effort, but those two need to get over it. Like they need to get over pointing the finger at him, blaming him because, again, he's moving on with his life. He's growing up. But we get to see Craig and Paige. I'm glad that we didn't get any conversation about what's next.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Are we getting married? When's the wedding? There's a rumor out there now that he proposed to her in secret and they're secretly engaged. We're not going to expect that. If that's what happens, good for them. We're not going to sit here and discuss whether or not that's true because we're tired of the conversation. When there's news to report, we will report that news. Until that happens, we're not talking about it.
Starting point is 00:12:51 So it's nice. They didn't talk about that. They're just talking about once again, this is their happy place. And that's another thing with the Shep in Austin of it all. He's in a serious relationship. So when Paige is there and they have downtime, he wants to hang out with her. He doesn't want to hang out with you guys. That's just it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:13:09 That's part of life. I like that the bravo, well, I don't really like this actually, but the producers did him a little dirty. Like, oh, yeah, this is our sanctuary. this is our time for quality time. Then they just show Paige on her phone. Now, I raise you this question. When Paige is on Southern Charm, does she get paid for those appearances or is she just there?
Starting point is 00:13:24 I would imagine that there's some kind of friend of stipender or something. There's no way it's free. I was curious about it because when you think about the scene that she was in, obviously when Madison got there, things changed a little bit. But she was just sitting on her phone, just hanging out, not really doing a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:13:41 I know she does a lot of that on Summerhouse, or at least she used to, but it looked like she was pretty disengaged. So I was wondering if she just doesn't get paid. So she's like, ah, whatever, I'm just hanging out.
Starting point is 00:13:49 No, that's a good point. I would imagine. I don't know. I would imagine she's double-dipping a little bit. But I don't know. I have no idea. What if everybody who has money problems on Bravo just started double-dipping by being in a relationship
Starting point is 00:14:03 with somebody on a different show so they could double dip? I would imagine there's quite a few Bravo Lebs that would jump onto that train if they could. Yeah. I don't think that that's a hard sell for most people. Yeah. I wonder if Jason, I wonder if Jason from Winterhouse did that when he was dating Giselle. He's like,
Starting point is 00:14:19 I think that he did have ulterior motives. I don't think they were financial. I think he was looking for relevancy. Yeah. That's what I always got from him. He just wanted to be in the spotlight and just wasn't quite captivating enough to do so. Fair. Because he's a nerd.
Starting point is 00:14:35 Nerd. There's anything wrong with that sounded really mean. Yeah, it did. It's different. It's different. Yeah, nerd. No, no, I didn't mean it like that. Relax, everybody.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Let's keep going. We get a little, they're discussing Patricia's. Madison gets over there and J.T. saying all that crazy shit that he said. He really did. He's got quite the list early on. He's accusing Madison of a potential wanting to have an affair or just bringing it up at all is problematic.
Starting point is 00:15:08 He's still talking about Austin. He's given Keynes to elderly women. And he started off in a hole. This is only episode three. So when they list it off like that, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty tough. But obviously it just gears up Madison to go after him later, which we're all expecting. We're all looking forward to. Didn't go quite how I thought it would.
Starting point is 00:15:27 But before we get to all that stuff, we do get the Brett's cancer diagnosis. He's in remission. Yep. They kept things private, which I understand. He's in remission, which is good to hear. Like we always say, we love Brett and Madison and Hudson, that little family. So good news there. The other part of the timing with JT is because she's going through all this.
Starting point is 00:15:46 She says it's been a shitty few months. And it's like you put this on top of that, going through that with your spouse has got to be extremely difficult. And then you have outside influences like JT. And it's JT of all people. So you're like, now I have to deal with this fucking guy throwing out potential rumors because there's the thing. Like everybody says, nobody believes that that was even on the table. Like the minute that he said that everybody watched. Shepp, Craig, everyone's like, all right, dude, no fucking shot.
Starting point is 00:16:16 But it doesn't matter because it puts it out there. Now wheels start turning. People start saying things. It goes down the line. The story changes a little bit. Having to deal with that whilst also dealing with this shit at home, that sucks. And that's also why she's geared up to really go off on them. Yeah, it really doesn't matter who it comes from, how it comes out.
Starting point is 00:16:37 You know that it's going to be on camera. This isn't like a new thing. JT was on the season last year. he knows how this works too he knows when the cameras are rolling once it pops up on camera you do have a choice to make do you have to address it by either being incredibly mean which i think is the way to do this for jt or you still have to just either ignore it and move on and just act like it didn't happen but then people are still going to have questions we all know how the reality tv game works this is your best course of action somebody like jt brings that up on camera
Starting point is 00:17:04 it's going to piss off a lot of people it's going to piss off bread it's going to piss off madison it's going to piss off everybody around them it's going to piss off people that are looking at JT like what the fuck are you doing so yeah if i'm madison this is gonna throw me completely through a loop and i'm gonna have to address it head on and just sit down with jt as we see later in the episode but that's really the only course of action here with dealing with somebody like jt who just runs his mouth with absolute nonsense and look i don't know if his mind just works differently than other people we're not really like that close to him we don't understand how he works yet because it's only been a season three episodes but fueled by insecurity i think every movie makes is
Starting point is 00:17:41 fueled by his insecurity. That's what I think too. I start to feel bad. It's like, yeah. Well, feeling bad doesn't mean that it's a pass. Like, you should still not be a piece of shit. But I do think that this is a dude that has constantly wanted to fit in. He constantly wants to hang out with the cool kids. He's got an in finally with this show. And he just doesn't know how to do it.
Starting point is 00:18:03 So he says stupid things. I don't know if him in that golf scene was him trying to sound cool. Like, oh, yeah, like Brett thought me and me. mask and we're going to hook up. I don't know. Maybe he bought a book that's how to talk to dudes for dummies. And it's not going well. I don't know. But I do think that you can point to most of his shortcomings in communication with insecurity. Because when you watch him around people, he's not uncomfortable with his mom and his sister. He's probable. Benita. Yeah, like, but it's not, you don't want to rip your hair out. You're not sitting there going, oh, my God, this guy is the
Starting point is 00:18:38 worst. You're just kind of like, yeah, there's annoying parts. But you're not going to going to love everybody, and that's fine. So I am now fully in the, he's just a really insecure dude camp. That's where I'm, I've planted my flag. I guess. Yeah. I mean, look, insecurities, they're going to rear their ugly head in very different ways, depending on who you are. And unfortunately for him, it's him just spouting nonsense. He says stupid shit that gets him in trouble. And that's where I'm not giving him a pass. This is not like, oh, it's okay. You sound like an apologist. You shut the fuck up. It's not that. It sounds like you're reasoned me up for a big JT
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Starting point is 00:20:27 And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from The League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We come together to host Unspool, a podcast where we talk about good movies, critical hits. fan favorites musts season in case you missed them we're talking parasite the home alone from greece to the dark night so if you love movies like we do come along on our cinematic adventure listen to unspooled wherever you get your podcast and don't forget to hit the follow button but we get to rod and tyler they're planning a doggy parton yep doggy parton party aka dolly parton but for dogs if you guys thank you for thank you for explaining that why did you do that sure I wanted
Starting point is 00:21:10 it means like the singer like dolly wood doggy part so everyone's dressing their dogs up as dolly they're dressing themselves up as dolly we're picking out dog treats have you ever done this before because i have what go to one of these bakeries no oh i've done this before yeah and you buy the dog treats and you don't tell people their dog treats oh no i didn't do this part yeah i got it for a dog but you know okay go on in ohio i was in ohio state with rigs my black lab they made these little uh they make these things in ohio called buckeyes they make them everywhere where they call them buck eyes in ohio it's like peanut butter covered in chocolate and it looks like a bucky so i call in buck eyes there's a dog bakery on campus that made the same thing for dogs and i used to buy
Starting point is 00:21:59 them and put them in a little bowl in our house sophomore year and not tell people and they'd be like Oh, what's that? Like, oh, it's a Buckeye. And then they would eat it. And it was disgusting. It was like, the milk bone in between, yeah. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Pretty much, yeah. It tastes like dog food. So, yeah, that was my go-to move. If you don't do that, the holidays are a great time to do it because everyone's snacking on little treats. So if you want to play a prank on people or just do it at a holiday party and don't tell anybody. And just mix them in with the real one. So that one person will be like, oh, my God, this is disgusting. But someone else had a real one.
Starting point is 00:22:32 They're like, what do you mean? That was delicious. And they just are so confused as to why. theirs tasted like shit but everyone else tasted good yeah i'm not eating any snacks at your house me you shouldn't but anyway we find out through the invite list j t's not invited and that's again it's really funny because you get the scene of austin calling rod and they list off the reasons why and i'm like yeah j t really dug a hole deep in two episodes because this is the third one so it took them two episodes to do all the things that austin list
Starting point is 00:23:05 lifts off. And Rod's like, I don't want this at my party. Don't need it there. And calling Miss Patricia a bitch was like the last straw, I guess. Again, uncorroborated. We are not in the camp that he did that. We need more information before we start making that claim. I actually, I don't really like this move by Rod. Rod is a fringe character on the show. You need everybody there. And look, J.T is J.T. Maybe he called Miss Patricia a bitch, but probably not. And what about the rest of it? Like, yeah, he gave her a cane, but it's fucking J.T. Like, I know why he gave her a cane. It wasn't. wasn't because she's an older woman that needs a cane. It's because he's a fucking moron. And he was giving everybody canes. And he's like, you need to be part of the group. It's inclusivity as he wrote in his handwritten letter. That's what he was doing. He's just an absolute idiot. And yeah, of course, you know, the Madison thing is probably the worst thing that he's done.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Because again, he didn't call Ms. Patricia a bitch. So that's the worst thing that he's done. But he hasn't done anything to you per se. What's your issue? Do you not want Whitney to blow up on him? Do you not want somebody else to come in and start talking to him? Like, what? Like, who gives this shit?
Starting point is 00:24:05 like invite him because then it's your party that could be good if j t gets into it with somebody or he starts making things up people are going to look back and be like oh yeah when did he do that it was at rod's party that gets you in the cast having somebody from the cast not at a party is always stupid to me i think that the reasoning was to avoid extra drama but when you have four exes at the same party which you have anyway yeah then it's not jt's going to throw the wrench to that it's what are they worried about dogs like oh my god has anybody thought about the dogs they're don't ruin bella's doggy parton party look if you're having a doggy parton party and your dog's names aren't anything remotely dolly parton like one of them should be named jolline right why that's what i thought
Starting point is 00:24:51 okay so to have a theme party you have to have a name that that corresponds with the party correct that doesn't make any sense i disagree with you there i thought it made sense so you can only have parties based on shooting things or basketball yeah that's what i had growing up what did you have birthday parties stealing stuff yeah we would just go and rob my neighbors or do metalworking we went to pittsburgh and we got some stealers together or we'd go to a grateful dead concert steal your face baby yeah i put that okay i was i was wondering yeah no don't worry i got your but you get whitney and patricia they get j t's letter and you get a little bitch boy with his mommy and for a guy that says big words he doesn't know to say hieroglyphics because he says hydroglyphics
Starting point is 00:25:40 and i'm sure he's going to say well the actual pronunciation if you look back in ancient egypt was hydrolyphics but we have used water yeah exactly do everything yeah sure suck a butt you moron with your ensemblee uh uh-oh anton a double that onton shut up man like god It's just, you know, you know what. And he and Thomas Ravanaugh are the reasons I did not like Southern Charm early on. That's why I couldn't get into it. I hate that, the aristocracy, that kind of nose up bullshit drives me nuts. And the funniest part about all of it is like, dude, you were just born.
Starting point is 00:26:20 You were born into the right situation. You don't have a leg up on anybody. So that shit really bothers me. And you suck a guitar. Yeah. And you really. bad at guitar. But you have terrible facial hair. Yeah. And bad hair in general. Yeah. You're frosted. Terrible fashion. Yeah. Yeah. What a dick. But anyway, they agree. They're going to be cordial, cordial, cordial with JT. Cordial with JT.
Starting point is 00:26:48 We're going to move on in cordi, cordial on, on ton. Okay. All right. If we have any French listeners, I'm so sorry. Or French Canadian listeners. Do you just have a buck-eye? You got some peanut butter on the top of your mouth or what? Yeah, you got it. There we go. But we get to meet Sienna after this.
Starting point is 00:27:09 And we've heard the rumors. They are perpetuating more and more recently on socials. And with like scenes from next week, not this upcoming, but we've seen like scenes from this season. And that's the thing that gets called into question. 1,000% believe that to be true. One, the minute that she walks in there, I'm like, okay, then she starts talking. I'm like, you're here, you have an agenda.
Starting point is 00:27:30 You came onto this show for a reason. I saw a really funny tweet or post or someone's like, if your boyfriend is wealthy and like 20 years older than you, that's not a boyfriend. That's a sugar daddy. It's like, yeah, pretty much. It pretty much is, yeah. And I knew it the second that she walked out of that bedroom and like kiss on the cheek. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And he's like, oh, how's the sleeping situation? And she's like, oh, you know, it's fine. Like he's farting on my face all night. Yeah, did you think the same thing that I thought? Because he's like, you didn't get much sleep last night. I'm like, oh, God, is he going to make a sex joke? No, it's just a little, little Craig farting in her face all night. A little Craig farting.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Well, if we know anything, it's, we hear about it later when Molly and Sally are talking on their walk. We do know that that would never be an issue. Losing sleep over, you know, sex with Shep is apparently never in the cards. Because, you know, he's a selfish lover. Everybody knows it. Maybe you're losing sleep for a different reason. Yeah, guys you're like, wow. That was really bad.
Starting point is 00:28:31 We saw his ass in the first episode, right? Did we? How were those cheats? Not bad, actually. He looks pretty good. Good for him. Yeah. I won't knock him there.
Starting point is 00:28:41 But his big fantasies to like go live in the Bahamas for a month and she jumps on it quickly. She's like, oh, my God, we can go, island hopping, go here. We can go, there we can go, there we go. Here we go there. I'm like, wow. Sounds like a lovely relationship. I don't know. I'm fully on board with her.
Starting point is 00:28:56 She just is either using him or using him to get on the show. I don't know, maybe both. But I don't love it. I don't love it. Don't love it. Don't love how she acted at the party either. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:29:08 and she's already like a, what is she, a Miss Bahamas and we haven't heard a whole lot about her. We know from other shows with beauty pageants in general that, what at some point you do time out. Is that what they said? Who was that? Who was the beauty page?
Starting point is 00:29:22 Rachel said it. 26, you got to start looking for other things. And Rachel went to BPR. Maybe she's trying to go to Southern Charm, but maybe this is just a springboard into another show. That's probably what she's up to. I don't know. I don't really care. Honestly, we'll see how it all shakes out.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I'm curious to watch. And, like, that'll be fun to try to pick out moments where. Like, ooh, I don't think you're here for the right reasons. I don't think you're with him for the right reasons. I had a weird feeling about it at the dog party, which we'll get to. But it wasn't that. Oh, okay. Well, we'll get there.
Starting point is 00:29:53 get there because we get introduced to sally i think she's a friend of this season so mollie and sally are going for a lot was she on southern hospitality yes she was at the uh man i forget who she hooked up with maybe it was joey bottles party she was at uh no she was at um the fairy party okay okay yeah all right i think she did hook up with joey bottles or at least i think it was maybe smooched or something i don't know there's something something else too but regardless we get to meet Sally and very interesting career because on one hand she was like a bartender or a public or whatever and on the other hand she teaches doctors how to use surgery robots yeah which i'm sure i butcher surgical robots surgery robots sounds cooler to me surgery robots sounds sick and also they do their own like you don't have to control them it's like oh get the surgery robot like no i don't either but we're headed to a i i do i i That's all I got to say. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Oh, nope. Absolutely not. AI. AI scares the shit out of me. It genuinely does. We're going to get Terminator before we know it. That's fine. I welcome it.
Starting point is 00:31:07 At this point, fuck it. Yeah. It's just funny to hear these two talking because you get the cupcake comment called back, which obviously was fucking insane that Whitney would say that to her last week. But the way that she's talking, You get these two talking about guys like Shep and Whitney. And it's just like, why are you wasting your time? And she talks about she pretty much gave Shep the boot after they hooked up.
Starting point is 00:31:34 She's like, you're not staying at my house. You're getting the fuck out of here, which threw him for a loop. And I think I figured it out because he was kind of upset that he got kicked out. I think he made it sound like he cried to his Uber driver. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I kind of thought that maybe he was crying to his Uber driver because he wanted to stay. that's what I'm saying yeah I don't know but I think that based on that right or she doesn't want any part of get the fuck out of here based on Sienna who's probably if we're correct and the rumors are true she's kind of half in half out I think that's how you get Shep like fully enamored with you is to be like me get the fuck out or may I'm dating you this is fun I'm using you for your shit but I think if you're not fully in he's more in because he's yeah once you go fully in fully.
Starting point is 00:32:22 and then he starts cheating on you. Yes. Yeah. Generally. That's what I mean. Yes. But Sally also dated Gastone for three months and said he cheated the entire time, which is, look, I don't want to say. We said it last week.
Starting point is 00:32:42 A guy with a name like Gastone. It's just, it sounds like a villain from a Disney movie. Well, we've seen Beauty and the Beast. We know. Yeah, Gaston's a dick. so again although from a different perspective he was just trying to save bell from the beast he's like there's a fucking bear out there trying to kill people why don't you go over here I'll keep you safe he turns people into candles and shit maybe don't go in the castle yeah
Starting point is 00:33:08 when you look at uh disney movies from an adult scope they do change like you know we've talked about this one before Ariel is mad about losing her voice and getting legs but it's like dude you signed a contract yeah you knew the terms going in and now you're trying to go back on your word all ursla's trying to do is is hold her to is it a bullshit deal yeah you got host all she should have signed all she had to do was say yes you can have my singing voice but i get to keep my talking voice you got to negotiate back and forth you can't just sit there and sign a contract she needed a fish lawyer yeah yeah none of those fish is uh i could see the crab being a lawyer Sebastian.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Yeah. Sebastian. Sebastian LLC lawyer. Sebastian Esquire. Now I'm double thinking myself. Is Sebastian the crab? Yeah, Sebastian the crab. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Okay. Under the sea. Nice. Thank you. Well, let's get back to it. We're not singing today. I know.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Immediately following Sally talking about Gastone, we get Taylor and Gastone on a face time. And he's in medical sales, which means he's traveling a lot, which also doesn't bode well for a guy who just got outed for cheating for three months in a relationship. So that's a little sketch. You think he's selling a surgery robots or?
Starting point is 00:34:26 Oh, maybe. No. That's how they met. He's selling surgery bots. Yeah. And then Sally's teaching people how to use them. Maybe, actually. Oh.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Maybe you're just in there selling. Yeah. I don't like it when we make sense. I don't think you sell the robots. Maybe he's selling something in the hospital. was working at they crossed paths uh yeah she loves beauty and the beast and his name is gastone yeah bada bang bada boom he's telling me uh the nuclear power cells that power the robots that's what you think powers the robots is nuclear power cells has to be okay cool um anyway
Starting point is 00:35:05 what i just think it's really funny and ironic as shit we just found out about his past little sketchy stepped out for three months and he says why would I want to hang out with Shep because Shep cheated on Taylor because he's not going to the dog party he's like why would I want to hang out with him it's like I don't know dude
Starting point is 00:35:29 weird time to throw stones Shep's not the reason that he didn't go to that party we know that it's got to be Sally he knows that Sally's going yeah yeah and that was the easiest way to get out of it is to wiggle out and be like oh yeah I'm not going to be around your ex who cheated on you He's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:35:44 It's like, well, then what are you? Because this wasn't that long ago. I don't think that you've gone through some massive transformation since you cheated on Sally. And I think that you're probably too much of a pansy to go face her. So you're going to use Shep because are you what? You can't go stand around Shep? Like, yeah, he's going to say some stupid shit under his breath or on camera and a confessional. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:36:07 So I don't believe that for a second. I think you're 100% correct. That was to avoid Sally. disgastone that's I was thinking of disgusting yeah yeah something like that yeah we're hanging out with me too much dude I know we'll wait too much all the I don't know if you saw the wheels turning I was waiting for you to finish but I see smoke coming out of your ears yeah we get to doggy parton the dolly doggy doggy parton show party and it's for Bella Bella is 13 years old she looks great she looks great she's got a great
Starting point is 00:36:39 getting around great yeah doesn't need a cane Yeah, it does not need a cane, which is good. J.T. also didn't need a cane to froubts about his apartment. And yet when he shows up to Madison, he's limping again with the cane, but that's neither here nor there. This was confusing to me.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Maybe you can clear this up because I didn't understand because we find out that Sally's coming because it's just Rod and Taylor. Taylor shows up first. They're chit-chatting. Find out Sally's coming. She says she hooked up with Shep and then Gastone
Starting point is 00:37:12 in hopes that he'd keep her around keep around what the group Charleston maybe in like some sort of weird situation ship maybe maybe she thought that it was going to make I took it as Taylor thinks that Sally hooked up with
Starting point is 00:37:28 Shep to get Gastone jealous to maybe make him reconsider dating her would keep her around yeah I don't know maybe that's what it was I was confused just to, like, who is the subject of the sentence. That's the problem with Taylor a lot of the times.
Starting point is 00:37:45 I don't know what she's talking about half the time. And when she does that, she uses a lot of words that don't really point to one individual. So I don't know who the hell she's talking about. Yeah, it was way too broad. I don't get it. I don't understand. Which means it's probably a lie. What's a lie?
Starting point is 00:38:00 I don't even know what you said. The whole thing. I think we can just throw out the entire statement because I'm sure it means nothing. Okay. I'm cool with that. That makes my life easier. but Madison and I agree with Madison it's a bad look for Gastone
Starting point is 00:38:13 to not show up makes him look like a coward makes him look like he doesn't want to face some because that's the other thing as we know with Charleston through the shows all the shows that we watch from there it's a very small town all these people know everyone else's business they all have hooked up with one another everybody knows
Starting point is 00:38:29 your business and all they're going to think they're not going to well actually that's not true they're going to think one of two things one you're too much of a bitch to face Shep or two of you're too much of a coward to face Sally. Either way, you're going to come out of this looking like shit. And also, your, what would you call her?
Starting point is 00:38:48 The person that's going to represent you at this party in Taylor. Constituent. Okay, sure. Your constituent, Taylor has a terrible reputation right now still. So it's not like you're going to win anything here and move up in the books. If you're going to get back in this group or stick around or whatever the fuck that was earlier, you need to show up unless he doesn't care, but I don't think he's here for nothing.
Starting point is 00:39:13 There's no way that he is just going to bop on this show because he's supportive of his girlfriend. I don't think that's it. It doesn't give me that vibe. No, I don't get that vibe at all. And more so for Taylor, I just, I don't need Taylor anymore. I just don't care about what she's doing.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I never get anything from a scene with her. We saw her last week. She's just playing some pickleball. Look, I don't wish ill will on people, so I'm not going to say, I don't give a shit what you're doing with your life. But it's not. interesting. Nothing she's doing is interesting. Nothing she's doing is furthering the show.
Starting point is 00:39:41 You're not getting involved in anything. You're barely invited to anything. You got invited to this party because I guess you're somewhat friends with Rod and you can bring a dog with you. Otherwise, you're not really there. And what, your boyfriend's not even going to show up? Like, what are you doing for this show at this point? And I don't think that, at least for the viewers, it's not like an either or when it comes to Olivia or Taylor. Like, oh, we can keep one, not the other. Just get rid of, like, if Olivia can't come back, then just get rid of Taylor too. She's no longer with Shep. Nobody likes her anymore everybody's looking at her like austin's looking at her like that's the mistake remember when she was his little sister not anymore i don't want to go back there they didn't even fucking talk like
Starting point is 00:40:15 they don't actually engage at all in any things blew up quote unquote made out and blew up the whole group last year and austin's a mainstay on this show and he's not even interacting with her so like no one's here and we don't care about the awkward interactions between her and shep because they are very awkward otherwise who gives this shit just move on from her she doesn't do anything for the show so i don't know what she's doing here but i don't know i just awkward with sally was weird it's like yeah like sally says it perfectly it's like all right you hooked up with my ex and i hooked up with ears can we not do this or is it because you're dating my ex that cheated on me it's like why why is sally the bad guy taylor's probably still in love with shep in a weird way so i they're always weird
Starting point is 00:40:54 yeah i don't like it and i agree i just don't see what what she does or what she brings you know like what's the what's the pull because again all you get is these awkward actions with the group, unless she, like, shows up big later in the season. I don't know, but I'm with you there. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race.
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Starting point is 00:42:16 He should be there. If there's this much chaos at this party already, he's not going to throw a bigger wrench into the day. He could have been there to, honestly, like you said, maybe it gets even more interesting. Now you got JT fucking things up. It's like, ooh, let's talk about that. And Madison's there.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And I don't think the Madison's in a place where she, I think she would rather have the one-on-one that we see at the end of the episode than do it at a doggy party. So she's not going to get involved. But JT might just drum up some other shit. He'll do something. It's going to be interesting. And like most of all, he's not going to do anything to Rod,
Starting point is 00:42:48 I don't think. So why do you care? It doesn't really matter. Like this is how TV shows were. He knew he would come in like too bombastic. And he didn't want that kind of energy at the party. But again, you have all these exes awkwardly walking around and trying to avoid one another.
Starting point is 00:43:03 So I don't think it was. would have been that big of a hiccup and the other thing is like the majority of the group can't believe that he would actually call miss patricia bitch like yeah madison i i guess she does at the end because i think that's more she's mad at him but while leva's talking about even rod's like i don't know like it's that's really out of character a lot of people say this is out of character he might be a lot of things but he he's none of them have ever heard him say the word bitch before so now are we just going to add to the the Craig is a liar montage to this one by the end of the season I just need to understand like maybe trying to think how it could
Starting point is 00:43:42 have come up where it's like oh this bitch or something like he was trying to make a joke I could see that it's like wow she's really being a bitch about that I I'm trying to figure out where and what context he would I don't think he would have said like she was being a bitch I don't think I could see him trying to make a joke that didn't land that involved the word bitch but still didn't directly call her a bitch and not a golf either because he was the last to arrive at golf and
Starting point is 00:44:09 Craig was the first to leave so there was no moment where it was just two of them yeah and Shep was there the whole time he didn't say anything to Shep and Shep didn't hear anything so I just don't think it happened I think Craig just expanded on it by himself and just threw something in there because it's probably what Craig
Starting point is 00:44:25 heard in like through like read through the lines and maybe kind of just saw that's what he was insinuating but he didn't say it. There's a big difference between insinuating that someone's a bitch and actually saying it, especially when it comes to Ms. Patricia.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Especially the proper south. That's a big thing to say. I mean, it's always mean to say, but for an 80-year-old woman who lives in Charleston, it's very, you know, highfalutin.
Starting point is 00:44:51 That's what they say, right? Highfalutin down there. Then I think it carries a lot more weight, so that's why it's like this big question mark of what the fuck happened. But we could speculate it all day. I don't think we're, eh, we could at the reunion. Maybe I could
Starting point is 00:45:04 see Bravo like, oh, we found the footage. And it's like, we'll see. But Sienna and Shep show up. Madison's first reaction is she's way too pretty for Shep. And Shep goes over to say hi to Sally and to Taylor. And Sally, I don't, this doesn't help it either.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Because people confide in Shep about Taylor all the time. I don't know why Shep is her keeper. still why everyone has to give him updates why shepp even cares i mean i know why he cares but it's time to move on like it's not fun anymore i don't care about these two in the awkward interactions i don't want people going up to either of them and filling them in on what the other one's doing like it's it's tired i'm i'm sick of that bullshit and both now they're both in a position now where they need to convince us that they are actually in good healthy relationships which we're hearing a lot about Gastone,
Starting point is 00:45:59 we're hearing a lot about Sienna. How about you guys prove to the audience and to the whole group there because they're going to be talking about it that this is a real relationship. That's actually my girlfriend. That's actually my boyfriend. Yes, I trust him.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Yes, I trust her. Those are the things that we need to be hearing. I don't give a shit about the two of them anymore. It just doesn't matter. It ran its course and then last year was tumultuous. That should have been the end of it. We should have just been done. It's awkward to talk about,
Starting point is 00:46:21 but we don't care more than anything. So it just doesn't do anything. No, and when you go to a confession, with Shep and he's like, oh, Gaston, I knew it. Shut up. Why do you care? Why do you care? And he's going to play the card of like, I'm always going to care about her and her well-being.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I want her to be with somebody that treats her well. You don't give a shit. You're just pissed off that she left you still. That's all this is. So I'm just, it's annoying at this point. I don't know why. I guess it's to fill them in. I guess it's just really weird too because in normal circumstances, you break up with
Starting point is 00:46:52 somebody unless it was completely amicable, you're probably not going to be hanging out them. You're definitely not going to be filming a TV show with them. So they are forced to be around each other more than X's ever would be. So maybe it's a little bit more. And we get that. The audience isn't stupid, but we just don't care. It's just, it's annoying and we just want to move past that. Yeah. It's just the awkward moments aren't fun. It's like, okay, cool, whatever. But Sienna meeting, Taylor, this was very interesting. And I was like, oh, wow, I hate Sienna. I don't like Taylor either, but I do not care for Sienna at all. What a strange insecure greeting because she's like oh i heard lots about you and of course what's the
Starting point is 00:47:30 go to hopefully it's all good we all say that everyone says that in the world hopefully good stuff and you reply with oh all good stuff or you make a joke no it was terrible she says mostly with a little stank mostly it's like you that why do why why do you that was that was the weird moment for me with sienna because we've all heard the same thing She's only using Shep to get on the show. She's using him for his money, whatever. If that was fully true, why is she in this weird jealous? Why are you so peanut butter and jealous?
Starting point is 00:48:04 Yeah, like I didn't get it because I was into this. I was fully under the influence that she was using Shep. If she was, then she wouldn't really have any emotions towards his exes. But instead, she was incredibly jealous more so than we've seen in other shows, more so than we just saw Sally and Taylor talking together. So why are you being so weird about this? It didn't make any sense. and pointing out that they had the same scarf on. I mean, yes, that was kind of weird that they both had.
Starting point is 00:48:28 It's a bandana. No, it's not. It's the most classic color. The only two at the party, the only two at the party that had a red bandana were the two of them. It was a little weird. It's coincidental. It's coincidental and like whatever.
Starting point is 00:48:41 But she points, she goes, oh, even your dogs are. And you can see you're getting more and more like jealous. And then she turns her back to Taylor as Taylor walks off finally. I was just like, that's such a shitty look. Like you don't look.
Starting point is 00:48:53 protective of your man you look super jealous yeah i didn't care for it i didn't care for it at all i don't like taylor i'm like why are you being rude to her home talking about taylor all the time and she definitely is by the way but also he cheated on her so what are we doing why do you have such a stick up your ass for this girl you don't even know her and to intro it with mostly i was like gross like the fuck's your problem you want another drink mm-hmm no okay oh yeah that was like a yeah to get through this it's like you don't know it's ship's fault yeah you don't have to make it like pulling teeth it's his ex just fucking say hi and move on don't be it don't be rude to her and then get insecure because they're both
Starting point is 00:49:36 wearing fucking bandanas like get oh it was terrible i hated it but j t gets a phone call from madison just says hey let's get coffee we got a chat obviously j t knows exactly what's going on. And this did not go how I thought it was going to go. Again, I saw the, the clip, so I knew kind of what to expect, but those caught me off guard as well, because as they sit down and talk, I think, I would have to go back and listen. I think you and I agreed that the FaceTime probably happened. Yeah. I think that we thought the context was different. Yes. Come to find out, this doesn't look as bad on JT. It's still shitty. because the implication that Madison could have even thought about having an affair with you,
Starting point is 00:50:27 that's the damning part. That's what makes you look like shit because she's married, because you said this to Craig and Shep at the golf simulator, implying that this was ever even a thought. And also the second part of it is Madison keeps saying, like, we used to be pretty good friends up until this. If he's saying something like this to Craig and Shep,
Starting point is 00:50:48 it's implying that this could have been an option potentially or maybe he's thought about it at some point or another throughout their friendship which then would allow for Madison to change the scope of their entire friendship because if she thought it was 100% platonic and now she's hearing this she's like oh have you always thought about wanting to fuck me like what where's this coming from gross it changes everything so I get that it's gross he shouldn't have done it this way shouldn't have said it now what happened in the phone call was intriguing to say the least because she did FaceTime him with Brett. She did have questions about where she was, what time she got back, who she was with. And this looks awful for Brett because all it screams is he's jealous and insecure about Austin.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And he acts so unbothered all the time when it comes to Austin. He never bats an eye. I know he has no shot with her anymore. or he almost like smirks it off. Yeah. But you had to get your wife to call somebody else on the trip to clear it up. That's a weird look.
Starting point is 00:51:57 That doesn't look great on Brett. I just have to say that. JT's delusion is very funny, though. And look, for somebody who again, and we're probably going to say this every episode that JT's involved, somebody who is excusing themselves from the show because it was too hard on him and his mentality and moving forward or whatever it might have been, whatever the hell is apology letter said, he's sitting. there completely in delusion about oh my god why is brett asking me these questions does he think
Starting point is 00:52:24 i have a shot and now you're opening yourself up to people on twitter putting a very hot picture of madison next to a terrible picture of you saying can anybody believe that these two would ever have an affair no of course not he's awful he's ugly he's short he's an asshole you're opening yourself up to so much just by having that and that it's got to suck it really has to suck that's where i felt bad for him because he did this to himself at the end of the day this is what you did you need to have some sort of smart part of your mind that is yelling at you yeah no that's not what this is about it's about someone else for somebody like jt who is always aware of what austin is doing i'm surprised that he didn't turn it into that why didn't he talk to craig and
Starting point is 00:53:11 Shepp and say, yeah, I had that conversation where Brett weirdly FaceTime me with Madison had a bunch of questions about what happened to Mexico. Do you think that Madison and Austin hooked up? That's how he should have probably done it, not include yourself. Nobody's talking about you, buddy. Bring it up to them and ask the question. You don't think that she's asking, Brett's asking of her and I hooked up because then everyone would be like, no, absolutely not. Yeah, of course. Yeah. The way that he went out, I'm not, I'm not taking away from, the position that he put himself in yeah i understand that he went about it terribly like i said that's the first part of it that's how i introed this scene was by you doing this you call into
Starting point is 00:53:51 question whether or not she's being unfaithful to her husband like there's a lot more ramifications than you just being like to your boys like oh do you think the brett thought that we banged like yeah there's a lot there i get that but i think most of us were like she didn't call him or if she did like this that's not what happened come to find out like it was a weird line of questioning because brett was insecure about austin which i never saw coming from a mile away and i think that madison's pissed off obviously because of the affair stuff i think that the friendship as well like questioning your entire friendship with this guy he's able to say something like that clearly he's thought about you sexually in some way shape or form
Starting point is 00:54:36 that's got to feel off putting as well but at the same thing time I think part of her is upset and dev and i talked about this because now she has to talk about bret being jealous of austin on on a confessional to clear the air about jt i don't think she wants to paint him in that light because none of us what i did not in a million years think that was coming like because it brett seemed he's brett like he's this smoking hot fireman you wouldn't think that he'd be concerned about austin but he still is you really wouldn't honestly and look i mean we can sit here all day and talk about what j t should have done from that's what We do standpoint from, I know this is literally what we do all the time.
Starting point is 00:55:13 That's literally our job. From a TV standpoint, from a friendship standpoint, he could have done this in a way that if you did think it was that weird. And this is, by the way, a very good reality TV moment that you need to keep in your back pocket. He did it the worst possible way by including himself. The best way to do this is to have some sort of degree of separation from yourself and just talk to somebody else about it and say, isn't that kind of weird?
Starting point is 00:55:37 Yeah, plan it to see. Wait, don't bring yourself in. Do not insinuate anything. Just bring, because it's weird in itself. There's enough there that we'll get people talking. We'll get people questioning it. And then eventually Madison's going to have to actually address it. She might still be pissed at you, but it happened once you say, does, does Brett think
Starting point is 00:55:55 that she hooked up with me? No. It immediately goes out the window. Now we at least have this where the first one happened and we're like, well, absolutely not. And now we get to see Brett actually did call and he was actually jealous and asking him weird questions. But it wasn't about you, JT.
Starting point is 00:56:08 you could have gone about this so many different ways and it would have removed you from all of this and people would probably be looking at j t like holy shit did j t just uncover some weird situation going on here with brett and madison and austin now the microscopes on them not yeah not you and instead he included himself in the dumbest way possible that almost almost excuses all of it because we're not even going to talk about it but instead madison confirms it and we're like oh well this is weird So we can remove JT from this at this point And just look at that in a nutshell And hopefully we do in the future in the next couple of episodes
Starting point is 00:56:43 Because hopefully he can retune it When he talks to other people and say look I had to sit down with Madison She confirmed it Madison's going to sit there and talk to other people about it Because it's still going to be a hot button issue Maybe we'll get a little deeper on this Maybe we'll find out more Now obviously Brett's going through a lot
Starting point is 00:56:59 So it's not great timing But it did happen So we need some answers It did happen And, yeah, the timing sucks. Yeah, we still like Brett. Like Brett's still awesome. But it is something to think about because I know Austin's going to see this
Starting point is 00:57:15 playback and be like, I knew it. I know. Hope Craig can see me now. But, you know, the scene ends with her saying, you've called Miss Patricia, bitch, you're the bitch. And maybe Austin was right about everything he said about you. And I thought, you know, the way he handled the conversation wasn't great. But again, I think he, that's from not understanding social cues and just being led by insecurity.
Starting point is 00:57:41 And I think he, you know, if you can take the, look, she deserves to say whatever the fuck she wants to him because of what he said, right? Yep. But at the same time, if you're a grown man and you're sitting there and a woman's like laughs in your face, like you really think, have you seen my husband? You think for a second I would even entertain the idea of touching you? Like, that's got a sting a little bit. And then he goes, like, he calls her a mean girl. I'm like, that's not a great move either. Also, something good that didn't happen in this episode that I just realized,
Starting point is 00:58:12 Audrey was at that party. We didn't get anybody talking about the timeline of Austin's relationship. That's good. Yeah, that's true. That's a positive. Although, yeah, wait, if JT was there, he probably would have. There you go. That's why he wasn't there.
Starting point is 00:58:24 We got there. We figured it out. We figured it out. Thank God. But, uh, yeah, Madison says that she's never going to be friends with this guy again. They're done. Caput. Smell you later.
Starting point is 00:58:33 but let's get to some questions see what the baby birds are wondering about from m pyrum oh three three oh is craig going to get a bad edit this year i don't know because we get scenes from next week and he's not invited to patricia's party i think that they might frame it like a selfish edit i think it's up for the viewer to dictate is he being selfish is he looking out for himself could he be doing better in the friend zone and i think honestly like yeah i think he could make an effort you know like i don't think you said earlier it's like if you want to hang out and go to his house it's like he should be able to meet them somewhere like meet them halfway i don't think that all the emphasis should be placed on them but at the same time the way
Starting point is 00:59:17 they're going up if they could swallow their jealousy and just say like we miss you dude instead of saying you're so up your own ass with this shit you're trying to be martha stewart it's like well he's in croger like he's doing a pretty good job so maybe don't attack just talk about the friendship aspect. Don't go after his business. It would probably come off a lot better. But I don't know. I think it'll be interesting to watch his edit. From Quebec 13, did JT actually have a redemption episode?
Starting point is 00:59:42 He wasn't totally wrong about the call. As much as he can, yes. Yeah. As redeemed as he could be, yes. He's not fully redeemed by any means, but he had a better episode than it. It could have went a lot worse. How about that? And the problem
Starting point is 00:59:58 was he showed up with the cane trying to get some sympathy. yeah yeah that we just watch you jaunt around your apartment fine cane less so yeah that was another another thing from angel rene what guy from the cast would you date besides craig brett is brett does he count would brett face time you and ask what we were doing us pull around with you yeah yeah probably do with that mustache man don't worry about it brett But what happens in Puerto Vallerta stays there. No.
Starting point is 01:00:37 It has to be actual cast, not probably it can't be Brett. Austin. Rod count. Yeah, Rod count. Rod, probably Rod or Tyler, his boyfriend or husband or partner. Yeah, probably that. And we'd just be having dog parties. I'm cool with that.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Does Lamar count? I like Lamar. Oh, Lamar. I don't know. He's not on, really. Yeah, I know. Yeah, no, he's, he's another, he's another asterisk. He's not quite on the show, but that's a good one, too.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Lamar would take care of me. He would. He would take care of it. Yeah, I don't know. That's a really tough question because I'm not dating Shep. I'm not dating Austin. I'm definitely not dating JT. Yeah, Rod, I guess.
Starting point is 01:01:20 It would be my answer. Seems the safest. Yeah. Let's do one more. From V. Alejandra Deeks, Taylor's response. to Shep saying that her family hates him. What do you think? I don't know. That's all he said
Starting point is 01:01:36 she said. I would imagine they don't love Shep is under the impression that her whole family wishes that they were still dating and now they are a bit eccentric and quirky and maybe they really care about money and status. So I could see that being true. I could also see it being true that
Starting point is 01:01:52 they fucking hate the guy because he cheated on her. I would raise you from I don't know to I don't care. It just doesn't matter. to me. I just don't give a shit. That's actually a good place to land. But other than that, you got anything else? Nope. Any other brain busters?
Starting point is 01:02:09 No brain busters here from me, buddy. Well, that's all we got tonight. We got to gear up for our live stream this evening. So we will see you. We're going to have a full slate this week. So don't worry. You'll have stuff to listen to during your holiday travels. Next week will be interesting.
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