Bros & Shows - Erin Invents Mezcal (RHONY Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

What's up Bros? We're still trudging away with RHONY because YOU KEEP LISTENING TO US (thank you so much for the support) but this has been a tough season to get through. In this episode, Pavit and Jessel's relationship is on display as she attempts to have a conversation with him about her embryos. Wanting to start therapy, she brings it up at dinner only to be met with a very dismissive and somewhat belittling Pavit, which we did not care for. Raquel opens up to the audience and cast members more about her journey with her ex-husband, their business together, and how her and Mel began their relationship. Raquel is arguably the only bright spot of this whole season and you could argue its simply because she's being authentic. She's also objectively really cool, but we appreciate that she's actually showing us who she is. Jenna continues to not want to address things on camera but appears to be going above and beyond to prove to Erin that she's a good friend. Erin is throwing a party for her Mezcal company and says in a confessional that she is "bringing mezcal to the states" as though we haven't had mezcal in the U.S. for an extended period of time. Brynn is still at odds with the group and yes she is trying too hard. But at least she's trying? Ubah is having a tough season overall to the point that we are beginning to question if she should be on this show. Our largest gripe is lack of authenticity. We've said it before and we will say it again, it is really difficult to care and get invested in these ladies when they simply do not show us who they truly are. The fear of a bad public image is in turn making this a bad show. We will always hold out hope but knowing that they wrapped filming early because of an irreconcilable argument does not give us a whole lot of confidence. Want more Bros content? Get access to weekly exclusive episodes, monthly community zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up! thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, St. Russell. joined as always by the one and only no nickname tonight shooter maguter what's up dude i'm shooter maguer you are shooter maguter i want to know who i am uh we are back to cover everybody's favorite god we look forward to this every week it is just a blast we are so happy so excited to be here tonight guys i can't tell you i feel so good right now i love rony what a day for it too you know like it's a perfect perfect day to discuss some roney and uh yeah this episode was no different than the entire season's been just slow and boring and inauthentic rakel is the

only bright spot of this entire show right now she's been a delight i will not lie and if you watch her scenes you'll see something no one else is doing and that's authenticity she lets us into her life and explains what's going on with her and mel much appreciated she's also cool as shit So thank you to at least Raquel for bringing it. But yeah, everyone else is a big, big zero. It's a bummer to talk about. Do you know, I notice something and because I know that we're not going to talk about this right away because it's the beginning of the episode.

Here is, this is Roney in a nutshell. This is this cast in a nutshell. The innocuous like bounce around. We're going to check in with like five different people and they're going to get about 10 seconds of screen time. and then we're going to get into our first scene. What is that usually? Usually it's a housewife with their family, playing with their kids, playing with their dogs,

maybe going for a walk, maybe just getting a coffee or something, just something stupid and like light and free and just we're going to get into it. Roney had one of those scenes today, and I don't know if you caught it, it was Sai and Uber getting their nails done. And it wasn't a fucking scene. It was just the two of them laughing about something. because size nail got in the nail technician's hair. That's it.

So they had cameras. They had people production rolling for a scene and decided to use it as a throwaway in the beginning of an episode. That is all you need to know about this show. That's all you need to know about this cast. There's just simply nothing there that they're picking up things and being like, well, we got this. Maybe it's just a little thing we throw in the beginning of an episode.

It's insane to me. It is crazy to me because I've never seen that before. with two actual main cast housewives sitting together in a scene and they don't use it. They show us that they were together, but there's nothing to use there because they're boring. It's crazy. They're not talking about anything. So, I mean, that is the epitome of this show. It is what it is.

We will continue to watch because you, you jerks keep continuing to listen. Sick bastards. As long as you listen, we will continue to do it. But speaking of our beautiful audience, I did want to say this, because obviously there's an elephant in the room today, and we don't discuss politics here. That's not our job. That's not why you listen to us. And we're not going to start now. But what I will say, to our entire audience, regardless of your race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, whatever your walk of life may be, you are always welcome here. You are always accepted here, and you are always safe here. And we are forever grateful for the

support that you give us, and that will remain constant. So just wanted to say that. We're not going to discuss anything any further. Every single one of you, every single one of you beautiful people out there, you're all bros. You're all our bros. Yep. And we love you to death. And I just wanted to let you know that. But with that being said, why don't we dive into whatever the fuck this was?

And I think before we dive in fully, the thing that's bothering me the most about this franchise in particular is there are, and we talk about it, week to week. There are moments and there are glimmers and there's glimpses where you're like, this could work, that could work, this could work. And yet nobody capitalizes on any moments where it's like, all right, let's take it to the next level. Instead, it's like tiptoeing around on eggshells constantly because you don't want to upset anybody, even though that's a lot of what this show is about. And somebody commented that they're enjoying this season. That's fine. You know, you watch what you want to watch. But their qualm was, I don't want to watch people argue and this and that to get dark and we agree with you it doesn't have to be all arguments we're not rooting for them

to get pissed at each other it's simply the fact that when something arises something where people could get into it or have a discussion they avoided at all costs and also when those discussions are had or some shit is talked it becomes the biggest deal in the world about pretty much nothing these are non-issues these are not things that people need to be up in arms about for an extended period of time and they span episodes and and we've been talking in last season where it was like oh it's great to get over things fast now it's the opposite about less pressing issues now it's they're mad uba specifically is always upset with somebody she's upset with jessel like for event sash we're going to talk about that later but it's just like you can't be that upset all the time

it doesn't work because there's never any flow when everybody's together it's just a big and we don't like when the cast can't sit together at a table. There can be people that disagree with one another, but when you can't come together and just have those scenes and it's not awkward as fuck, it gets boring after a while. And that's the show's biggest issue is it's fucking boring. So that's my biggest qualm is watching certain things where I'm like, okay, in other franchises, this could go this way.

And that would be exciting to watch. That would be funny, entertaining. and they get to the step one of a potential storyline or a potential sticking point, and they're like, and we're done. I'm like, and that sucks. No, it really does too. And look, I get where that person's coming from, whoever said that they actually enjoy watching this,

because we've seen Housewives get dark fast. Fine. If that's what you enjoy watching, I'm not going to tell you what to enjoy. The problem with us, obviously, from a podcast standpoint, is it gives us nothing to talk about. It just gives, the ammunition here is that we just get upset about nothing to talk about. And why are you listening then?

Why do you do this to us? And the other thing is, maybe it's just a difference in opinion on how much entertainment value you're going to get out of a housewife show. It doesn't need to get dark for it to be good. There just has to be something there. Otherwise, it's like what you said last week where it's like, yeah, we're just kind of like a flight. on the wall watching people live their normal lives. That's all it is. And there has to be some level.

It has to hit some sort of minimum threshold of actual drama and conflict for it to qualify as an entertaining housewife show. And it just doesn't. And that's the main problem here. And for Uber in particular, it seems like she's just, she just doesn't have it. She just doesn't have what it takes to be a housewife. If this stuff is pissing you off, could you imagine her on any other franchise? look let's just throw her into salt lake right now she would be drowning in all of that we do you one better imagine uba on the original new york cast imagine any of these women on the original new york cast they would be crying within one episode with it not even that i would actually go even further let's just keep raising the bar here you take one of the original housewives you throw derinda in the mix here all of them would be crying she would ruin everybody and they would

wouldn't. It's kind of tame compared to Bethany. You want to throw Bethany in there? She would eviscerate these women in like half an episode. O.G. Bethany would, yeah, sorry. It's just insane to me. And I knew that going into it. So I wanted to use O.G. Roney as an example, but I wanted to be more tame to show the level by which these women cannot operate. It's too extreme. It's too extreme. It would be overkill if I do or to do that. I'm going to throw them into a current housewife show that's highly entertaining and not dark throw them into salt lake they wouldn't be able to handle it and that's a real problem here that's the entire cast and i don't know if it's some sort of infection that just spread to the rest of the cast that maybe there was a couple of them that couldn't handle it

and the rest of them decided well if they can't handle it then we're not going to bring it and now none of them can handle it i have no idea where the problem started but it's a huge problem here that you can't ignore and there's another big problem you have a new full-time housewife in rebecca who is not a housewife who is we sure I thought that Raquel's the full time I don't I think they switched it I'm not clarify I am not kidding you either there's some sort of like mix that they did or they quietly slipped this in there because Raquel is getting so much screen time and Rebecca McGoff is getting dick okay Raquel's full time okay I think I think they switched that on us I think they're fucking with us I thought about that but it says here that Raquel is full

time and Rebecca Minkoff is friend of but my issue there okay friend of fine you don't have to bring that much you don't bring anything you just show up to events and then you say hi and you leave just leave and stay gone if you're not going to talk about Scientology you don't bring anything to the show and we don't really need to see or hear from you if you're gonna that's the thing all you have to do is open that door open Pandora's box of Scientology and let's get into that and that would turn this whole fucking season around it would it would because it's a captivating topic that we don't get to discuss very often or talk about that's the same thing as discussing but that doesn't matter yeah adjectives but you're walking right now by using the same word

in different words synonyms Jesus Christ I said adjectives you're doing more right now in just that sentence in which you said two words that mean the same thing then Rebecca makeoff has done the entire season. So good job, steal. Thank you. Woo. Let's get into this episode. And we start out with Aaron and Abe. And I just feel like you can feel the tension. Like as soon as he sits down, she's like, God, you're sitting all my stuff. I'm like, God, they're not viving at all. Like, they're going through it. But they're setting up for their mescaloom party. They started a mescal company. She had just started this when she was on our live show. Yeah. And whoever she promoted it there. But they are recapping Jessel's party and the fact that they had a really nice time.

And I guess her and Jenna, now Jenna is going above and beyond, which I don't know if that's all like real. That's what I think. I think she's like, okay, I'm going to just love Bomber now and like show her that I am a good friend. I don't know how much she genuinely cares about this friendship because we don't really know how Jenna Lyons feels about anything. This was the most frustrating Jenna Lyons episode I've ever seen because of the cutscenes that they showed that seemed like they weren't going to air them and they did and we'll talk about a little bit later I want to save her for when it happened but we still haven't met her fiance like what are we doing here you know what fuck it we'll get into it now because I don't know what we're going to talk

about for 45 minutes so every time you get a Jenna cutscene it's in regards to something that would bring substance to this show later when jessel and pavet are talking about going to couples therapy. She talks about the fact that Jenna and her fiance go to couples therapy. And we get a clip of Jenna saying couples therapy has been great. Where's the scene of her talking about couples therapy? Where's the scene of her talking with her fiance about couples therapy? I understand, okay, that she doesn't want to get her fiance involved. I understand this is a nuanced topic as somebody that is getting married to a woman and that she wants to do it on her own terms. That's fine. I can respect that. However,

When you sign up for this show and we don't have access to any parts of your life and there is this overhanging thing that you are getting married soon, but we can't discuss it, see your fiancé or really see anything about it. That's really frustrating when you're not bringing us anything else. There's nothing that we can see. All we get from Jenna is an occasional peek at her big closet. That's the peak of what she delivers to this show. And I was such a Jenna Lyons fan. And I had such high hopes for her. And I've held on for so long.

And this episode did me in because we get these cutscenes later when they're talking about the promise ring versus engagement ring. And she's literally shushing them. She's like, oh, like the kids like that like what the fuck? Like then don't come on the show. Like I get it. Again, I respect it if you don't want to discuss it. Then you have to discuss something. We need something to talk about in regards to you.

That's not you being a checked out friend frequently and then checking back in because that's not a storyline. No, it's not. And I'm worried that this is a precedent that was set last year because they were marketed as a new group of housewives, you know, to adhere to the new generation. It's a different way of living. It's a different way of doing things. There's new drama to be had.

Different way of communicating. Yeah, yeah, fucking hell. New way of communicating, new way of respecting, new way of respecting each other. feelings. I'm sorry, but yeah, at the time, in a nutshell, that sounds like a great idea. In a vacuum, maybe that could work out. But you have to handpick the perfect people for that that are willing to share something. You can't hide everything. And I think that that's what happened. I think that last year they realized, well, you know, we don't have to share everything, but we can just do things surface level and we can just have issues amongst ourselves. The problem is the issues amongst

yourselves are boring as shit. They're stupid. They're such trivial little things that you guys are getting upset about that make no sense. And then there's nothing deeper. So there's nothing to hold on to. And Jenna is essentially a really talented prospect in like the minors that you had your eye on that you thought was going to pan out. And she just never panned out. She just never learned how to hit that big league fastball.

And that's the problem. She was that first round draft pick that we gave a shot. And she just, she just couldn't heck. She couldn't hit the curve ball, you know. Trouble with the curve. Shout out Amy Adams. It's a tale as old as time, you know. But we get to Jessel and her mom, and this is another thing.

That's where these kinds of scenes will fall short because you're not invested in the cast, you know, because this is a topic that would hit on a lot of shows. She's talking about her IVF journey. We talked about it last year, the fact that she wants to have a daughter and they have the opportunity to do that with Povett. The fact that her mom was out on IVF and is now being supportive, that's all well and good. And that's good for Jessel. Awesome. We love to see all that. that's a touching scene, but because of the lack of Jessel up until this point for me, as I'm

watching this, I'm like, I could do without it, honestly. It's just there's not enough substance previously to then get me invested in watching scenes like this. And I think that's the biggest, one of the biggest flaws of the show is obviously throughout every single housewife's episode, regardless of the franchise, you get filler scenes where we're talking about personal things. And a lot of times I want to hear about them because I'm invested in that housewife. I want to know what they're doing. I want to know what they're up to in this show specifically amongst the entire cast other than Raquel. She's the only one where I'm locked in like, oh, I want to know more. Because what you get from Raquel in her scenes is genuine authenticity.

She's actually discussing her thoughts and feelings on something that's affecting her life. You could argue Jessel, Jessel is doing this as well in this scene. I didn't think it was a bad scene. Like, this is one of the few that I was really paying attention to. And again, later with her in Povett. So it was nice to see her at least come to play a little bit this episode. This is the most we've gotten from her up until this point. But yeah, that that's something that stands out to me that I noticed a little bit last week, more so this week, where it's like that that's a sticking point where it's you get the scenes, the side scenes. I'm like, nah, I don't care because I don't know enough. I'm not involved enough. I'm not invested enough. Yeah. And I think

that's honestly, I feel like that's another area that they're following. short too because I just tried to run through in my head who else has shared like that and it's really just jessel Jenna has shared a little bit but you know we we just went through all of our grapes with her I can't tell you the last time that sigh like it must have been last season sye brin Aaron talking about their lives talking about their past their background their upbringing anything that gets you connected to them we have anything from any of them there's no good long confessional, good long scene with somebody in their family or a close friends that they're actually discussing things that they've gone through in life.

And again, it really wouldn't hit because there's nothing else there. There's no drama. There's no other conflict. There's no other storyline. Like there is no overarching storyline at all. It's just not there. It's simply not there. It's flies on the wall.

It still wouldn't hit. But now that I'm thinking about it, this jessel scene, while we can both look at it and say, yeah, you know, that's important to talk about, unless there's something else to sink your teeth into, we're not really going to care about stuff like this. So it's just tough. They have a real fucking problem on their hands. They do. And I'll try to stop complaining and just get through the scenes. But it gets tough because it's just frustrating.

But this next scene I can talk about because even as she's walking into the restaurant, I was like, Raquel is so fucking cool. Like she's so cool. Like she looks cool. She acts cool. And she's having lunch with Uber and Sai. And she buys a pigeon talking book. The pigeon thing is dead. The pigeon thing is not funny.

The pigeon thing does not need to be a recurring theme on the show. And yet here we are talking about it again. But they're going over Jessel's party. And this is the scene I was talking about. They're talking about Jenna and her promise ring is an engagement ring. What's going on with Jenna? We don't know because Jenna won't tell us. And it's even more frustrating to find out that there were cameras present.

And she's shushing them. No, no, it's an engagement ring. What? It's an engagement ring. They're like, well, then don't talk about it. you know what I mean but it's the same issue as before and it's the same issue as the Scientology thing that we saw on the helicopter they're not they're not fucking asking follow-up questions I don't care if you're a housewife on one of these shows and someone else on the

cast and we already know that you guys really aren't friends and you're not close earn your fucking paycheck ask her more put her on the spot get her get her seat like a little hotter and make her answer questions yeah that's how this works and I feel like they shut down immediately or they're just too like aware of each other's feelings that they don't want to press an issue if nobody wants to overstep no but nobody ever wants to overstep on this show and that is such an easy thing and there are so many times that we've gone through this and it's what episode six and apparently it feels like episode 60 i don't know it feels like we've been doing this for years apparently the season's going to get cut short anyway thank god because of whatever

trip they go on an uba well they think it's uba had to leave early because she couldn't handle it it anymore and it's just irreparable we're not going to do this we might have another no reunion on our hands could you imagine that place in one year that would be tough that would be damning if it's irreparable and it sucks there's no point in doing a reunion i don't care they'll do it save us some time there's other shit to talk about we can pick up a different show but that's their biggest problem is that they are too aware and respectful of each other's feelings that we're not getting that extra question. Like, just because she doesn't want to talk about it, how many times do we see people

not wanting to talk about something on these shows? And it keeps getting brought up, almost at nauseam, where we're like, all right, enough. Like, we don't care. She's not going to answer, but they don't even get, like, halfway there. They don't continue to ask and put her in an uncomfortable situation where at least she might even erupt and be like, back off. Don't talk to me about that. And then we're like, all right.

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And it's interesting because they're high fashion. They're the highest, they're sorry, high art. And it's like the highest most prestigious, like elite club of artists. And it was her and her ex. And she was the muse for these photographs and these paintings. And she's talking about, yeah, obviously it was her face, but it's more than that. Like, it's her aura and her presence. And like she's very attached to this project.

And I guess her husband at the time was the artist. So in that world, for financial reasons, when they split, in 2020, she didn't tell anybody. They wanted to keep it close to the vest because it would affect their income. Totally get it. Also very interesting. She ended up starting to date women. It sounds like, and it got confusing, but it sounds like she dated another woman before Mel.

I couldn't figure it out because Mel was included in the rumors that were being spread when they were separated. So maybe there was somebody in between. I really was it was hard to follow right there yeah but her and mel got together in the fall of 2021 so it was well after the split with her ex but it did not stop mel from getting dragged which pisses me off you just you leave mel alone yeah leave me now mel's like gregg from potomac you leave mel and you leave gregg alone because mel's cool as shit we like mel and she had no business being dragged into this but i guess in the highfalutin art world when there's drama such as this. You like that word?

I like that one a lot. I really like that one. In this world, rumors are going to be fast around, so people are saying, oh, she's a home wreck or she broke up their marriage. It kind of led to Raquel getting blacklisted, it sounds like, for a while where people really wouldn't

interact with her because it was like picking teams. It was either pick her ex's side or pick her side, to which my question is there, like, where's the ex? Like, why didn't this dude speak on their behalf? And They know, no, that's not what went down. Like, we're all good here.

So that's kind of upsetting. But just hearing about this backstory, hearing about the struggle that she went through, her and Mel, how they were affected by this. And you can tell everything she's saying is genuine. She's really talking. And that's all it takes because I'm watching. I'm sitting here watching this scene. I'm like, I'm captivated.

I'm paying attention. I'm entertained. This is really deep. It's moving. It's interesting. And all she's doing. is being honest and not stopping when it's starting to get interesting and she's starting to open up she doesn't stop and go i can't talk about that that's fair and she also has the

advantage of having a very interesting life and a very cool life a very unattainable life for the average viewer that's what housewife should be exactly however and look i'm i got to tread carefully here before you like bite my head off is rickle doing anything in the mix with No. Not really. And that's, and that is a fault. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So she's not getting involved. She has. She has. Exactly. That could be part of it too. There's not enough there for her to jump in, for her to be brought in. There's just nothing. So I'm not going to fully fault her for that, but she is also not doing her job. That's fair. I'll give you that one. That's that's not bad. But we go to Bryn and look, is her stick wearing thin? Yeah. One one million percent, yes. I will say, as we've talked about, she does seem to be attempting to try at certain scenes. And because of the high sensitivity of the rest of the group, it's making her look bad because she is trying to start some shit here and there.

She is trying to stir the pot here and there. But because everyone's so quick to be like, oh, my God, you can't do that. It's like she looks like the asshole. Yeah. Argue she's trying to do her job. She is just trying to do her job, but she also can't handle it face to face. That's also true. That's her biggest downfall is we can acknowledge that you're moving in silence,

maybe not so quiet, but you're trying to move in silence behind and move some pieces around and talk some shit on people to stir some things up. But as soon, probably because you're the only one doing it, they know it to you, which is also a big part of the problem. There's no confusion as to who it might be because it's clearly you because you're doing it. But when you're faced with it, you can't handle it and you have to have this conversation on FaceTime with your brother.

and you're crying about all of this because you can't handle it, and then you're trying to actively avoid people in person. Like, again, it's just, it's a casting issue. Like, if you can't handle it, then what are you doing here? Walk into that restaurant at the end, at the Mezcal party, and sit down at the table and say, what's up, and make them face you, make them tell you what's going on. Don't go talk to Aaron's dad and flirt for 45 minutes because you're afraid to sit down at

the table. And then have huge apology and be like, not even apologize, just be like, I miss you and I love you and I want to hang out again. And now we're over it again. And now it's not a problem until Ova gets pissed off about it again or Sy gets pissed off about it again or Jenna wants to get involved randomly but then back out and become friends with somebody again. Like we've seen it episode after episode.

It's the same formula and that's that doesn't work. But we get to Jessel and Pavit at dinner. This scene I was also captivated by I was watching paying attention to this one. And it's interesting because we've watched this this, This revolution, Jesus, this evolution of their relationship, I guess, or just being partied to it. Because last year, in the beginning, we were under the impression that Jessa was too hard on Pauvet. We talked about that. As it shook out throughout the season, we're like, oh, that's just their dynamic.

They kind of, they razz each other and talk a little shit. That's just their dynamic. Okay, fine. I'm on board. We like Jassel great. Povett was an asshole in this scene. Povett looked like shit. And that was a bummer because he's been this.

this kind of steady stream of comedic relief, just light and airy. And in this scene, he's so dismissive. He doesn't even give her the time of day. He's eating food and taking pictures as she's attempting to open up to him. Both of them have been very forthcoming. And our biggest issue is communication. We don't communicate well. Yeah, obviously, we've been watching that for two years.

But this scene in particular, she's making an effort. And she's telling you that this is something she wants to do. I want to have another baby. I want to have a girl. have this opportunity. Let's do this. Let's get this done. And he's like, well, there's already a decision. There's no baby, period. And it's like, dude, this is a moment where you can talk to your wife. She is clearly emotional about this. She wants to figure out what you guys are going to do and she wants a kid. I'm not saying you have to immediately say to her, all right, let's do

it, but at least have a conversation where you're hearing her reasons and why she wants to do this and then present a counterargument, why you don't potentially want another baby. Or just be open to having a conversation with your wife and stop being a sniveling little weasel and take pictures of your food while she's about to cry because that's kind of fucked up. Yeah, no, it's super fucked up. And a lot of times you'll catch us maybe giving the benefit of the doubt to married couples saying, well, you know, maybe this is like the 10th time that they've had this conversation and the other person is being upset because they don't want to deal with it anymore. Maybe it's partially because it's on camera and that's not the time to have the conversation in the first

place. I'm not giving any benefit of the doubt here at all. He was just a huge asshole. This was a really tough scene to watch. I felt really bad for Jessel because we watched her sit with her mom in the beginning, because we know what she's been going through. She's been telling all of her friends that she really wants a third baby to see him be this dismissive immediately just knocks him off. Like, I don't like Pavit anymore. Like one scene, just one quick little scene. You're going to treat your wife like that. I don't like you anymore. I don't either. You're not my kind of guy. No, which is a bummer. because I've always said that I would love to go on a food tour with Pavit,

but if you can't at least give her the decency of paying attention during this scene, and when she does bring up a therapist, you're still making light of it. And she said that. Like you make jokes out of everything. And I'm like, yeah, you do. And not in a fun way. You do it in a dismissive way where she's like, yeah, it's $300 an hour.

You guys can afford it, all right? And if she wants to get a therapist and she has her heart set on one, and this could potentially help your marriage, just say okay for once. Instead of making light of it or saying, I got a guy, I'll get it. and now you're going to like a tarot card reader on the street to have a couple's therapy. That's bullshit. You can afford to get it done. You can afford to go do this.

It'll make your wife happy. And it'll help your relationship because clearly you guys have a problem with communicating because you're talking about it at the table and both of you are pointing the finger at the other one saying it's your fault. Go sit down and hash it out. Go sit down and listen to your wife for once. And I'm not saying that she's completely free and clear and she's not dismissive of him as well. We've seen moments of that too. it seems like it would be helpful to have a third party, an objective third party,

try to figure out your communication issues and also talk about the potential baby thing. That seems like a very fitting thing rather than brush it off and say, well, I'll find us a better deal. Just say okay and don't go on a food tour for like a week and that'll probably average out your $300 to save your marriage potentially. Like maybe that's a better idea of it because I agree with you. It didn't take much for me to completely change my opinion about this guy. And that sucks because up until this point, I've really enjoyed Povett.

Yeah, I mean, maybe he can cash in some of those miles that he craves so much. Instead of going to Vietnam, he can cash him in and go ahead and get a couple therapists. Yeah, maybe you can use miles. I don't know how that shit works, but give it a shot. But then we get to go to a high flutin art show, which I was down for with Raquel and Mel. And once again, solid scene. this is all we need from from anybody on this cast and then you mix it up amongst each other and you've got yourselves a housewife show but did you see what the dude's name was at the art show

just tell me quill lemons yeah that was sick i knew it was something really cool i couldn't remember imagine being like in high-end art and your name is fucking quill lemons like are you going to are you go to the lemon show tonight oh you mean quill yeah i don't know why he's pretty sure Yeah, British now, but... Because it sounds more highfalutant. Not that form of British. Not your form of British. Oh, would you like to go to the Quill Lemon Show?

I think that's the same. It's just higher pitched. Hold on, I could do it. I don't know. I think it's actually a deeper voice that you should be going for. Hello, sir. Would you like that? That's still not right. That's a little more gruff, isn't it? I've never been to a Quill Lemon show.

I can't afford to go to Quill Lemon Show as a too highfalutant tour. It wouldn't do what that works. Good evening, sir. Would you like to go to the Quill Lemon Show and observe some higher art forms? That's better. I think you could. Okay, I took a little bit, but I feel better. You've got to find the right pitch.

If I didn't do it here when we were done this, I'd probably be by myself trying to find the right accent for an extended period of time. So I'm glad I got to save your wife from that agony. Yeah, she is. that's a good point and I feel bad but she's a good sport but uh they're discussing what we talked about earlier and this is their first art show together art event together because they were afraid of the rumors and they hate that Mel was receiving because she has been treated treated like a homewrecker but they're discussing their engagement and announcing it to the world and letting everybody know and we learn more about Raquel and her mom and their relationship and

I guess the mom was very involved from the jump when she was married to a man and very involved with her kid. And the minute that she told her, I'm dating women, her whole entire dynamic with her mom changed. And that's really tough to hear. And it's tough to what you can see you're getting emotional to this whole thing. It's clearly something that's been weighing on her. And I thought it was really cool that Mel was so supportive and not like, well,

fuck your mom then. like we don't need that shit she's more on the on the team of all right well you should call her and the fact that she's supportive even though it appears that the mom is not supportive of this engagement or just doesn't really it's not even not supportive it's almost indifferent like i don't have time for this she hasn't visited from porto rico in a long time and i guess she used to come back a lot she would see their kid uh like at least once a week it sounded like when she lived in new york so it's a pretty big shift from what they're used to and again it speaks volume to and goes a long way for us the audience to be brought into this and get to know that and be

like, wow, that's deeply personal, very moving. I'm sure it touches a lot of people out there that have had to deal with similar issues. Thank you, Raquel, for doing your job and letting us in and being real about it because, God, these scenes hit so much harder because the rest of it's just dribble. I'm like, blah. And then this happens. I'm like, yay. Honestly, any scene with her and Mel always hits really nicely because we're really good judges of relationships here on this show. I like to think so. We watch a lot of Bravo relationships.

We have a lot of feelings about them, especially on this show. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot going on for a lot of them. We don't even see the husbands for the most part anymore. All we see is Aaron and Abe. I guess it's not a lot going on there. You see these and you... I like Abe at least. I do like Abe.

As a standalone, yeah, but maybe not their relationship. Their relationship, they seem like there's some tension. There seems to be some tension. You're sitting on my, oh, you're breathing again. There's a lot of pressure when you're introducing Mezcal to America, you know? It's a tough life to live. Yeah, it's the first Mezcal company in the history of the United States of America. Right.

I forgot about that part. Jesus Christ. I forgot about that until just now. Oh, God, now I can't get off of that. But no, again, it is always nice. And these are the types of scenes that we get locked in on because we meet, we're meeting somebody new. We're having a sit down with somebody new and we really like

them. And now I'm invested. Now I'm invested. It's a very simple very simple equation that for whatever reason gets completely glossed over on this show. But it's a good reprieve. It's like a whole new reprieve for us. We usually like show, bro. When there's things

that are really toxic, we need a good family reprieve. This is just, it's boring as shit and then we're like, oh, Raquel, I love Raquel. Let's see what she's up to. Let's check in for a little bit. Oh, we're going back. Stay here. Just stay here. Let's go talk to Quill Lemons again.

Bryn's still crying on FaceTime with her brother? Oh, no. What are we crying about now? A party from two weeks ago? Oh, great. Great. Where's Quill lemons? Yeah, bring it.

Quill, get back over here. That's Australian. I'm all over the map now. Fuck. Well, let's get to the Mez-Kaloon party because it's important to introduce the United States to Mescal. It's also very important, by the way, when you really need a launch party to go well, and you've got all your investors there

and everything's got to be perfect. Let's invite the entire cast of idiots on this show. And have them all sit down together and cause a scene potentially because that'll tell the investors that this is a very serious company. But you don't have to worry about that with this cast because they're not going to cause a scene because that would look bad. It's the only cast you can safely invite them to like a big event for your company and not be concerned about Fallout.

Any other cast, we watched it Salt Lake four days ago. that shit hit the fan at uh what was that party angie's angie's engagement party or uh wedding anniversary yeah whatever it was yeah wedding anniversary we watched it happen in real time those every other cast fucking potomac at the gna event like shit hit the security kicked out half the housewives like that's fucking great you don't that will not happen on this show you don't be not happen no because nobody's going to cause a scene and that sucks we have said it was what's his name sean angie's husband wanted security at the salt lake party i'm like fuck yes security everywhere except roney because you will not need it because they will make peace

at the table and not cause a scene at a big event and that's a that's a cornerstone of house the only thing you have to worry about at these events with these women they might leave early because they have prior engagement that's your biggest issue or because your speech was too long they're going to get out of here because they didn't eat before they got there and then that's going to be drama that we have to deal with for six episodes. And those are the following season. Yeah. Dude, for example, this is a great example.

Bryn leaving a party early for a spray tan should be fucking funny and it should be a sticking point and it should be trivial drama that we can jump into and cause a stir over. In any other show, again, she looked like a dick by leaving early to go get a spray tan, which yeah, in retrospect in real life, that would be a shit move. If this was a different show, if this was Salt Lake and Lisa Barlow went up to Angie Kay at the anniversary and said, I got to bounce early, I've got a spray tan scheduled. That would hit so well. We'd be like, holy shit, she just bounced for that. It happens in this show and people point the finger at Bren and go, you're an asshole.

It's like, but in other shows that would have worked. So I agree with you. You run the risk of people leaving early, but if you leave for the right reasons and the right. context, it works. It just doesn't work here. But with Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Turns and conditions apply. Learn more at mx.ca. slash Y Annex. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series

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because at least it's bringing things up, says to Uber, hey, Bryn's talking shit again about you and Sai. All right, cool, let's set the table for something. I like that. I don't mind that move at all. And immediately you get these pigeons. They're going to talk.

They're going to talk. My problem is we've seen Uber and Sai talk, and they're talking shit. We've seen Uber talk shit with Aaron. people are going to talk shit, especially after you've had like a little run-in in the Hamptons, you're going to have a vent sesh. You need to be comfortable with other people having a vent session just like you've had about them. And then when you get face-to-face, be comfortable with hashing it out there.

But don't act like it's this huge indictment of character because they're talking a little trash. If we're not allowed to talk trash at all on this show, we're left with a boring product, which is what we have because we're pretty much. not allowed to talk trash on this show because people get too up in arms about it. That's boring as shit. It's boring as shit. And maybe they did. Maybe we're looking at this wrong.

Maybe Sai and Uber in that first scene that I keep going back to that wasn't actually a scene. Maybe they thought they were going to decompress and talk about what happened and talk about Bryn and see where everybody is. And they just didn't. Maybe they're not sitting down and actually talking about things because they don't care because it's just not something that they want to do for sigh it's i'm on this peaceful journey where i'm changing my entire life shit time to do that on a housewife show that sucks maybe for uba

she's uncomfortable talking about it and she doesn't want to get aggravated and be upset about talking about it so they probably got together thinking oh wait we're going to we're going to talk about this and we're going to figure everything out no we're just going to get our nails done and just not talk about it that's pretty much what i get from it i honestly i think that's probably what they did so seeing this reaction from uba like whoa you guys were talking about us when you guys got together yes uba that is called the housewives franchise a little gossip just a little bit of gossip not only that that's just called life i'm pretty sure that everybody does it if you don't do it i don't know what you're doing in life i talk shit on you daily every single day you're sitting there with your

baby talking shit on me i know i just tell scotie i'm like your uncle shooters are real piece of shit i can't wait for her first words when she looks over at me to say shit yeah doucheback aw so cute i just love the fact that she has an uncle shooter that's good poppy says that she does uncle shooter i'm like yeah that's good for you she talks shit about you too that's tough but during this scene everyone sits down at the table brin is flirting with uh Aaron's dad for a while and I'm not even like whatever we can gloss over that but everyone's sitting at the table and I will say this is why I get bummed at times because there's glimpses this is one of those moments because Jessel's being funny she's saying that Aaron stinks at her own party

that's funny she's like I'm a Karen like that's funny like all of these different little one-offs I'm like you have what it takes you showed last year as well and we did have to wait right if you remember it was a slow burn with Jessel she came on late at the end of the season And so we assumed she was going to pick up right where she left off. It seems to be the same playbook where it's like slow in the beginning. Maybe she'll come on more towards the middle or end of the season. But it's too little too late at that point because we've seen this run before. But as Bryn sits down and everyone knows what's been going on, there's been a little tomfoolery behind the scenes, a little smack talk.

Oob is mad at Jessel now because Jessel didn't tell her that Brim was talking shit. Thank God that Aaron just says it's really. really not that deep. It's not that deep. Jessel says it's not that deep. If you go back and watch what Bryn said, it's clearly, clearly out of frustration. She doesn't hate you, Uba. It's not even real shit talk. She's just saying I'm tired of Uba's shit, which could you blame her? And you can be tired of Bryn's shit too, because yeah, Bryn moves behind the scenes and talks smack and then can't face the music. So call her out on it without acting like it's the end of the world. It doesn't need to be so deep. We can have some trivial shit talking that ends with either you not talking

or a funny moment. Like when they all put their hands in and we do the team break, that could work if you hash it out a little bit. But instead, Uber gets up in arms. Nobody else can really talk. She calls Jessel a basic bitch, which then we have to describe what a basic bitch means. That was kind of funny. And it ends with her being, I'm not a fucking Karen. That would have hit much harder if I was giving a fuck but that's where I get even more frustrated in a scene that could have had some payoff and there was some funny moments

again I'm left wondering where's this energy the rest of the show and that's pretty much all that happens because everybody makes up and Rebecca leaves to get an award and this is a this was a good line I didn't know Nordstrom rack gave awards

I'm like boom that's a housewife that was a good housewife line so again glimpses glimmers of hope we get little touches here and there, but nobody can follow through, nobody can step up, everybody's afraid to go too far without coming back together as soon as humanly possible, which is what we used to applaud them for last season, and now it's too much. Fucking be cool with not talking for four episodes.

I think what we're going to have to do moving forward is we're going to have to do a fan fiction recap. We, they allow us, they make the guidelines, they make the structure of the show, pretty much like what they've been doing, and we've sort of been doing this anyway, because we've been saying, this would be great if you then get done this. So what we're going to do is we're going to have them give us the outline, the structure, and when there inevitably is absolutely nothing to talk about because they don't go that extra mile, Steele and I are just going to make up a story as if they did it.

And we're going to act like they did it. Then Bryn pulls out a carrier pigeon from her pocket and sends it over to Uber with a message, and it's just a middle finger. flash back over to Bryn with a shit eating grin on her face and go there's your pigeon bitch and then leaves the restaurant and then when they're talking a little bit later and Aaron and Abe are giving a speech and they realize that their business partners the guy that Aaron used to hook up with back in the day that she saw naked how about you check out this text message from Aaron where she said I'd rather be with that guy than my husband fuck yeah like by the way that at the end made the wrong choice that would be a great text that happens but that's the thing at the end you get this like weird bomb dropped you're like oh my god that's the business partner that's the guy she boing they're like yeah we got and they're besties they're like oh like if we don't if that doesn't come back up it's just interesting that's an like your business partners abes a business

partner with a dude that you used to hook up with or at least hooked up with once let's talk about that that's pretty nuts probably not that's all the interesting but it shouldn't be especially if it's to protect the business. Look at Lisa Barlow with Vita Tequila. She talks about whatever the fuck she wants. Guess what? Vita's doing fine. It's not.

It's just fucking annoying. And like I feel like I don't know. I don't understand all of you. I don't know why you think this is entertaining. We just sit here and shit on it. And we're both bad and we just say it's boring the whole time. And yet when we check the fucking Numbies, users are all listening to it.

And that you're holding us hostage. They really are. We want to watch something else. And you're not letting us. We were done two weeks ago. We discussed it behind closed doors. Should we drop the show? And I said to Shooter, the numbers are good.

We can't because we will do whatever you guys want. We'll listen and watch whatever you guys want. But I don't know why you do this to us. It's mean. It's fucking mean. It's painful. You're putting us through hell for your own amusement. And half of you comment, I'm not even watching the show.

I just love the recaps. It's like, fuck that. I just pulled up questions and one of them in there literally says, do I even need to watch this show? No. Fuck. Don't make us then. You know what? Yes, you do.

If you're listening to this right now, you need to watch it because if we have to watch it, you have to watch it. How about that? I like that. How about that? How about them apples? Huh? Yeah. Yeah.

Fuck. I'm frazzled. I'm a hot little tater. right now but let's get into some i wonder how many questions there are there's just people saying this is what do you mean i'm telling you there's so many guys yeah no i it's just not for me i got nothing for you boring episode yep and yet more questions than we got for salt lake probably more listens than we get for salt lake it's so you guys uh it's fucking mean.

Let us live. Come on. All right. I'll give Cherie Legg her flowers here because she says, I love this new cast. The new energies of breath of fresh air. I'm happy for you. I'm glad you're enjoying it. We're not going to shoot anybody enjoying it.

We're watching a different show, I think, but I'm glad that you're happy with it. Okay. From Elite Honesty, would you rather be called stinky or a basic bitch? Basic bitch. Basic pitch. I don't, I, no, never. I never want to be the smelly guy. that's also natural deodorant

look no no I should do trust me I tried that native shit it doesn't fucking work it makes it worse it makes it thank you it's just like weird deodorant B0 smell you try it too that native stuff yeah I remember I needed I was in a pinch

this is more interesting than the Roney episode I was in a pinch where I was on a trip and I went I think I was down of Florida or something and I happened to go to whatever store and all they had was native deodorant and I'm like oh whatever I don't care that it's natural or organic, I couldn't tell you how bad I smelled. It was all.

It made me smell worse than I've ever smelled my entire life when I, like, to me. And it was after like three days, it like builds up. And then I was like, what the fuck? It's like a weird reaction. I don't even have B.O. very often. I don't even wear deodorant very often. And I started wearing native.

And now I do. Maybe it's because there's no fucking aluminum or parabins. You know what? Give me aluminum and parabins then if it makes my pits not smell. Could you imagine if native one of the? to be a sponsor on our show now. Now they hear this. They're like, oh, yeah.

Well, I won't, I won't. I will not, no. I will not sell a product that I don't like. And I have, they have not done me justice. My pit stink. They stunk when they like that. So yeah, I don't want to be called stinky. This is funny from Laura Eva Lucy.

Does Aaron think she invented mescal in the U.S.? We had the same question. Yep. We had the same question. I think she does. I think she does. From Chris D. 671. Are you enjoying this season? No. No. We're not. Okay, here's a good one from Dr. Vogue.

Do you think that this real name? Yeah, I hope so. Dr. I'm looking at your page now, Dr. Bogg. I'm seeing if you're a real doctor. This show's boring. It looks like a doctor. He does look like a doctor. Yeah, he's got a doctor look. You got a doctor like headshot kind of look. Whether you are or not, I mean, maybe that's just caduce to you for looking like a physician. You look doctory. Yeah. All right, Dr. Vogue. Let's see.

What do you got for us? What can the producer, or who can the producers bring in to salvage what's left of Roney? Let's say one, if you could pick one heavy hitter from the original cast to bring on to this show to, that would not just shake it up, but could also. Yeah, and like, and meld with the cast enough where it wasn't so obvious that this person doesn't then i got mine luan maybe it was that or sonia i think because i'm trying to be like you can't throw and even if you were to throw prime bethany in there she would just rip them apart and they would all cry too much derinda now or back then maybe like first season that derinda was on was that like season

seven maybe she could handle that but yeah obviously we're i think sonia and louan are middle of the road enough where they're they're light but they can bring it. I think that they could mesh with the cast and Ramona would be fucking hilarious. Ramona would be a fish out of water in a funny way. That would be like that would be funny to watch because it would

just be like so opposite ends of the spectrum from this cast. I just got to read this one. From Helen J. Harm bros, Raquel is the new cast member. Rebecca is the friend of. Please watch the taglines. Don't tell us what to do. I skip the taglines every single time

because I can't wait to get through this episode. Don't tell me what they do, Ellen. Okay. Yeah, we corrected ourselves this episode. We did a little Googled search. We got to the bottom of it. By the way, we love you, Helen Jharb. No harm intended.

All right, please keep listening to us. Oh, let's do one more. Because all the other ones are, we don't care. This is boring. I stop watching. From Liv Tate. that's live dot t8 clever what's worse brin trying too hard or no one else trying at all no one else trying at all because it highlights the fact that brin's trying too hard it makes

her look even worse i'm not saying she's doing a like a bang up job here but it does highlight the fact that she's doing too much because of the lack of effort from the rest of the cast thousand percent but other than that um can't wait to talk about this show next week because something tells me I'm going to check the analytics and this show is going to be listened to and you you bastards you bastards

you bestids you keep doing it to us but we will keep look we suffered through a whole season of OC last year and there was 30 episodes if you think we can't do it if you think we're not up to snuff we're not quitters we're not quitters we will

hang with this shit until the very end all right suffer. Yeah. It might take years off of our life. We might be different people by the end of this season, but we're going to hang in there. Yeah, you remember if this show shifts when this show's over. You remember what the caveat was.

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