Bros & Shows - Fessler's Not Your Soldier! (RHONJ s14e03 Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

What's Up Bros??? We're down the Jersey Shore with the RHONJ crew and things are heating up. Joe Gorga has a birthday party and he attempts to extend an 'olive branch' by inviting Jen Aydin and Bill via Bill. Fuda is beginning to get fed up with Fessler being neutral and is starting to accuse her of playing both sides. Marge is doing her best to drum up as much drama with Fessler as well and it all goes back to the convo the Fessler had with Teresa on the couch last week. Danielle is still staying in the middle but even in a confessional we can hear her leaning towards the Fuda's side of things. Gabriella gets ready to go off to college and Teresa and co. are in their feels. The episode caps off with a lot of drama between Marge, Fessler, Fuda and Jackie because Fuda and Marge think Fessler is being shady. Have producers simply replaced Melissa and Joe with the Fuda's to go after Teresa? Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of ProV Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Jersey Shore McGor. What's up, dude? Second episode, let's get goofy.

Let's get weird. We always get weird. on the second episode I was waiting for more Jason point but I want to shout out something before we get started in this episode

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Actually, yeah. But we have a little Roanjay to talk about. But I had to do it in my little, like, Detectives Notebook because this morning I was at our 20-week sonogram because Dev and I are expecting a beautiful little girl. And this is, you hard-launched your relationship. I'm hard-launched my child. How about that? What an episode.

It is one-up to you. What an episode. So, yeah, we're super-duper excited. Can't wait. A girl dad for life. Poppy's going to be a big sister. and we're so pumped. And this is, yeah, I wanted to tell you guys for a while,

I wanted to make sure it was the right time, so now you know. And if you joined Brov Bros. members, you get a say in Steele's daughter's name. That's the end up with a kid named, like, what was it, Chalup of that, man? No, probably Shooter. Yeah, that would be the number one, yeah. I bet you it would be.

And part of me, if I, we were having a boy, I would almost want to, like, middle name shooter. Like, I don't know what we'd name. That's the problem, though, when you have a name, like, Steele, like it's steel devon and poppy yeah you can't have like a run of the mill name it can't be like steal dev poppy and and like beth no shade to beth i don't know why you're doing that why are you doing you don't use a real name there uh mildred beth's all over we're just offended no beth is a beautiful name bethany great name sure bethany no my god dude bethany frankl oh no what if i done

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Sorry, Dev. But as I was saying, I was actually watching Jersey in the, like, waiting room or waiting to go in for the anatomy scan. And I'm sitting there, like, with this little notebook on my laptop. And I just wanted to look around. People probably thought I'm, like, really important or something, like, or doing important work at least. No.

I'm watching Bravo, baby, and I'm taking notes. But let me ask you, because I feel like we had different experiences watching this episode. What did you think? I run of the mill. I didn't really hate it, didn't love it. I don't think that I'm going to love any of these episodes, but I wasn't aggravated by any of it. That's good. So I was just kind of hanging out.

I think I'm trying to actively watch these differently instead of getting annoyed. I am too. Or I'm just like, yeah, you know, it's on. I'm just going to, yeah. pay attention, but... That's how I'm watching. It's not working. Not working.

No, it's not working. Yeah, I'm not emotionally invested in it. I did have some issues with some of the things that happened, of course, as I usually do, but didn't really get angry about it, which is nice. That's good. I'm not getting angry. I'm getting irritated more. I think the show just is what it is at this point, and, like, we have to accept it.

But that's my point. Like, that's where the frustration starts to creep things. It's like, why? Like, we can't put a different path forward than this. Stages of grief. We're at different levels right now. Oh, you're right. That's a good point.

I'm at acceptance. You're in denial. I'm not there yet. I'll get there. Where are the five stages? No fucking idea. We did this before. I think we did this last year.

We get three of them. Four Jersey. Acceptance. What is it? Grief? Anger? Denial. Nile.

Something and accepted. Fuck, we're close. Euphoria is the one. No. Yep. You get just weirdly happy. When are you going to get there? No, I don't even think that's the thing.

No, it's not. I'm just, yeah, I don't know. I feel like they have replaced Melissa with the Fudas to try to drum up the Teresa versus somebody thing. I don't know why they're doing that. The funniest shit is I'm almost on your team now where it's like the only scenes that aren't about that bullshit are Teresa with her family. And those scenes are sweet, but then you're reminded. Teresa with her family or like Teresa hanging out with Jennifer, like it's just there's nobody. But that's what frustrates me more because.

they're trying to play like they don't care, like they're doing their own thing this season. Meanwhile, they're paying content creators to push out bullshit. So they're not clean in this game, and that's where I get mad. Yeah, but I'm not even taking... I think that's the issue right there.

I don't care about the content creator thing because I'm sure it happens throughout Bravo. Unfortunately, not for us. We're not going to be by anybody. It's gotten a fucking dime. It is ridiculous. An Amazon gift card. Is that so hard to do that, Fudas?

$25 a piece. Marge. Just send us something. Marge Jr. Send us the food truck that you got for Joe when you had the weed party. Seriously. That's all. Just parked that thing outside of my house for a little bit.

We'll take anything at this point. We're not getting shit. You know what? Invite us to the celebrity softball game. Oh, for the love of God, yeah. And then we will say anything. Damn it. We are not men of character.

Okay. We are not. We are certainly not. Oh, that's not true. Yeah, no, I don't think. that aspect is really creeping into my ability to watch the show. That's good. It definitely doesn't mind.

Yeah. It's hard for me to not have that in the back of my mind when they're talking, trying to look like they don't care. I'm like, well, you do care because you're paying people in strollers. So that's where I get frustrated. But whatever, let's dive into this episode. We start out at the Food of Shorehouse, and I really hope for you and your relationship that you guys have what Danielle and Nate have in, I want.

You just sort of fucking reference this the whole time now? No, it's just, it worked here only because I can present it because Dev and I don't dress alike. Yeah. I would love if you two are matching all the time, like Daniel and Nate. Do you want that for you? No, for you, do you want that? No. Why do you want it for me?

Because. Why? Yeah. No. You get it. I don't understand it at all. Yeah, no, they do dress alike all the time. And I think that's really funny.

It's just goofy. I actually appreciate the fact that inner confession is like, yeah, we do. I love it. I'm like, all right, do you, boo-boo. But we talk about Fessler and Teresa, and we're at the Fudas house again. And they're talking about the plan not being executed and the manila envelope thing. And food is getting fed up with Fessler. That's going to be tough to say.

Food is fed up. Food is fed up with Fessler because Jen said she has no beef with Teresa, but meanwhile said she can't be in the same room as Teresa. So she's starting to get annoyed with their friendship. I guess for my brain, what's frustrating there is, all right, well, how does that actually differ from Danielle? Because she tries to break it down later, why Danielle's friendship is different. It is no different. You just seem to have put Fessler in her crosshairs. And what do you want her to do, like, at that party? Like, do you want, and we're going to save that for like the Marge conversation later. I just don't understand how you think she could have handled that differently. I thought she did a fine job.

She did a fine job, and she's very forthcoming about what. she's doing that's what doesn't make any sense shady business anything daniel's not forthcoming about what she's doing she's playing it correctly by not getting involved in all the bullshit and being friends with whoever she wants to be friends with fessler's doing the same thing but she's telling you up front yeah no i have no beef with teresa i'm you know we sit down we can talk about it i don't talk about louis you're getting annoyed at this and the whole thing for me is food it keeps talking about fessler like she's her best friend yeah can you guys just meet last year no i think they've been tight for a while i don't think so

They just met Teresa. Okay. Well, I... Yeah, no, no. That's not. It's just like, we know what the agenda is. We know what the food is and Marge are trying to do. And it's being shoved down our throats.

And that's, again, why I feel... Very clumsily, I know it. Very clumsily. And I feel like that's why I enjoy the scenes with the other side of this argument. Because it's not being shoved out our throats. And it's not something that they talk about the entire time. We're just watching you get pissed off that anybody's even talking to her. This is a TV show.

This is our big sticking point with this show and, general is nobody talks to anybody. Yeah. You're not allowed to do this. You're not allowed to do that. When somebody goes and does that and it's going to make for better TV, you get mad about it. Yes. That makes for shit TV. Look what happened to Potomac when they all stop talking to each other. Yeah. They're on pause and recasting half the show. And that's the other thing. And you said it earlier, they're kind of, you know, phasing Alyssa, or Alyssa, they're phasing Melissa out for whatever reason. And maybe Melissa's doing that herself. Maybe production's doing that. I don't care what

they're doing. Now the Fudas are coming in and they're talking about it. So it's not even about Melissa versus Teresa anymore. It's the Fudas and Marge versus Teresa. So it's just dumb. Because you're saying the Fudas. Yeah. Plural. I know. It should be Fuda. Yeah. It should be one Fuda, not both Fudas, but they've both jumped on this train. And it's just tough to watch. And with Danielle, do you forget that Teresa burned you last year? Threw you under the bus? Like, what happened to that? Where's the energy for that? I just, it's also very confusing. But we go to the Gorgas Shorehouse and they're getting ready for Joe's birthday and Dolores feels bad leaving because Jen's not invited to Joe's and she's staying with Jen

so it's this kind of awkward thing and you get the Aden's Shorehouse as well and you get this side by side scene and they're recapping the party at the Aden's house and Jen's saying it's awkward not talking to Melissa and this is twice now that Melissa's given her the cold shoulder and like what have I done to her listed and I really wish somebody had been there to list it. That's when Bravo production and editing needs to step in and actually list something. And give me a montage. Like,

because they're, or just, that would be even funny. You're right. They had a montage of Melissa blowing off Jen. Yeah. Give us a montage of what Jen has done to Melissa. Seriously.

Or no, you did get Jen burnt. I thought that was the other way. What? That's what we saw. No, that montage was them reconnecting after an argument is what that was. Sort of.

Yeah, we'll move on. Like, yeah, it's all good. And then Melissa leaving and saying, yeah, I don't want to talk to her. Yeah. Like, we needed a list. there because there are plenty of things that you could have listed and you didn't and she says

I always apologize first and that's when we get the apology montage and you flash over to Melissa and she's like I tried moving on with her last year and what happened you know this is the best part is Jen who has just said what have I done to her well you spread the rumor around that her husband's been cheating or that sorry that she's been cheating on her husband and was in the back of a car making out with some dude and you caught them like or Marge caught them whatever but you were the one walking around telling people that. And now you're saying that it was Danielle who spilled the beans. You're the one who told her.

That part, that part pissed me off. I was like, you've got to be kidding. That's so messy. Like, don't say that. Just own it and understand what you did because we pointed it out last year that Jen and Teresa were sitting here saying, how can we get this out? Let's use a newbie and throw her under the bus to go do this. And then we're squeaky clean.

Yep, but Jen did it in the most clumsily way ever. And now we've got Danielle going down and telling Melissa exactly what she just heard. Danielle is okay. Nobody's really mad at Daniel, except for Jackie, which who gives a shit with Jackie thinks right now. Every time she walks back on screen, I'm like, oh, yeah, she's on the show. Oh, yeah, Jackie, there she is.

Well, we're going to see a lot more of her because she switches sides, but my issue with this scene is the end, not the end of it, but like in the middle, we get to talk. Joe is talking about how he would really like Bill there, and obviously that comes with Jen. You can't invite a husband without a wife. Marge steps in and says, well, you know what? Why don't you just call him and just see?

And then we'll, you know, we'll discuss it and we'll leave it up to Jen if she wants to come. How is that any different than what Jen Fessler's doing with Teresa? How are you sitting here saying maybe we can invite Jen Aden here? When you know who Jen Aiden is, you know who her best friend is. You're going to invite her here. And you're going to be okay with that. And you're allowing Joe to then call Bill. But you can't have Jen Fessler go talk to Teresa.

No. None of it makes any fucking sense. It's not supposed to. That's the plan. This is the plan. They're not executing the plan. They didn't execute the plan at the reunion, and they're still not executing the damn plan. It always comes back to the manila envelopes.

Uh-huh. You should have opened those bad boys up, but... They didn't have shit. Bill says, you know, rightfully so. I think that Melissa and Jenny had a conversation first. We're not there yet. Appreciate the invite, but, yeah, that ain't going to happen. I did not think that conversation was going to go that way, by the way.

When Bill got up and left the table to talk to Joe, I was like, oh, dude, just... Your wife just said put him on speakerphone, which, you know, maybe you don't want to do that. I thought that was dear to do that. And that's not where that's exactly what I was. I expected Jen to say. But, yeah, maybe you don't put her on speakerphone. You don't leave the room. I thought as soon as he left the room, he was going to be like,

oh, yeah, I love you so much. Like, maybe I'll stop by later. If you guys are still partying later tonight, we'll try to mix it up. But I don't know. No, he actually took the side of his wife, which is a new one for Bill. It was new, but, yeah, I expect me that. Do you have a pool house? Yeah.

But I just think it's funny that, you know, Jen's still forcing the, he gets back to table, and he tells her what happened. She's like, yeah, that's because we're, team right bill bill because we're a team right bill no i get sad about that i do too but i don't know man that that i do and then you know she does shitty stuff so far this season they're they're they're a team this is the most team we've seen them most team that we've ever seen them all it took was you not putting her in an awkward position of going to that party which is a no fucking brainer pal so like you're giving way too much credit here but we get to teresa and her daughters and uh again

These are touching scenes. I love her daughters here. Like, they're all very sweet. They're getting ready to send Gabriella off to college. Gia comes in crying. Louis comes in. Joe Judice is on the phone. You get this modern family moment of everybody just being lovey-dovey,

sending the next one off to college. It's a sweet scene. And if you look across the board on what we've gotten, and no, this is not me going, Team Teresa, because, like I said, I'm watching the scene. You are, Tina, not even kind of, because I'm watching the scene in the back of my head. I'm going, yeah, but meanwhile, you're probably texting,

a content creator right now to post some shit tomorrow. So, nah, not buying it. But these are the only moments in this show we're getting that are not about Fuda versus Teresa, Melissa versus Teresa, drama that we've seen for years and years. The only reprieve we get are these nice moments because with Melissa's nice moments on the other side, all they're trying to do is talk about how great their family is

separate from Teresa. Yeah. And that's still playing the game. And we've seen this scene. before, and it goes a little differently, where somebody, usually Teresa or Louis or whoever, will say, wouldn't it be nice if your cousins could join, or wouldn't it be nice if you had a good friendship with your cousins and you guys could talk about everything together? Because which of Melissa's daughters is going to college? Oh, Antonio. Antonio is going to college, yeah.

That would be, you know, something that they would have talked about in the past. They're not even doing that here. So, like, we're not even talking about the other side. We're just having a nice moment with Teresa's family. Yep. But I am curious how large Gabriella's dorm room is because a moving company for your freshman year is wild wild. Also, a moving company driving all of that stuff from Jersey to Michigan?

Crazy. That's insane. How much shit do you have? Do you think she got like a place or do you think she, like most freshmen have to live in the dorm? You can't fit all that shit in a dorm. Yeah, you don't, I don't think you get special treatment or anything. I have no.

Maybe you do. Maybe if you're the judeices you do. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But, yeah, we get the confessional from Teresa where the producer asks, is Joe helping pay for college? Judeyce is not. Judeyce is not. He can't.

He's down in the Bahamas, figuring out his life, whatever. Is Louis helping pay for college? Teresa had a weird yes in there. It, like, took a second. To the point where I'm like, is he actually? Is he? And like, look. I hate to question that.

I don't really care. Okay, cool. Yeah. It's not of our business, but like, whatever, I don't give a shit. Saying yes in that manner was like, eh, maybe. Maybe he's not, but again, I don't give a shit. They're, there, somebody's paying for it. If he is great, if he's not, who cares?

If he is awesome, actually, I know that I'll give him respect there. If he's helping pay for his stepdaughter's college, like, yeah, that's a big move. I like, I don't know. I agree because when she said it the way she said, I was like, ooh, that didn't seem that convincing. That seemed like a moment. She's like, yes, he is. And also Louis Jr. walking in being like, you guys need some help. I'd love to help out.

Let me just hike up my tank top. I just had a moving company last week. The best part about moving companies is you don't have to. fucking help. Look, from the scenes we've gotten with Louis Jr. Seems like a good dude. Seems like a stand-up kid. I have nothing ill to say about him. With Amex Platinum, access to

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Oh, that's what the... Louisa. Louisa. That's what they should have called themselves. Nah, we got another love bubble. Shout out, though. Another love bottle? Love bottle.

Second episode of the day. But, yeah, we did get another love bubble shout out. We hadn't heard love bubble this year. A little outdoor couch makeout. I know. They got a smooch. And they keep sitting there. He's so cute.

You're so cute. Look at you. That's nice. You're cute. I know. I don't know it's just like these two This fucking love bubble is relentless But they're going over the party

And you know louis back on it I got no time for that loser Got no time for it Like I'm bigger than that And uh I saw him That was an ugly motherfucker I was like Jesus

Like what We're taking personal image shots I don't know That you don't have to go there I thought he was going to talk about like I thought he's actually going to say something nice And say oh it looks like you lost a lot of weight Like something like that

Not ugly dude No ugly motherfucker is literally what he called him. I was like, Jesus Christ, like, where did that come from? And, you know, Teresa's saying now, like, you know, they're all up in arms because I said that, they thought I said he was a drug dealer now. It's like, it doesn't matter when. That's what Bessler said, but I don't know if food is even saying that.

She's just still taking offense to it. And again, you know, what happened 25 years ago, so, like, who gives a shit? It's just these scenes are where, like, the family scenes, no, I don't actually get the frustration because it's, like, those scenes seem genuine. and they're happy. They're sending Gabrielle off to college. It does seem like a nice moment. These are the scenes where I'm like,

this is bullshit, because you're taking this high road, this holier than now approach, that you're no longer getting invested in this kind of stuff, and meanwhile, you're feeding shit to the media. So that's where I get frustrated. This is also like absolutely production, sitting them down saying,

oh, you've got to talk about the party last year. Yeah, probably. And that's just where the fucking show is. And I do think that both sides have to deal with that when it comes to the production of how the show is going. Definitely. They're saying you need to talk about this party last. night and talk about how you feel about Teresa and Jen Fess are sitting down and talking.

I think the other side takes it way further and they actually get very pissed off that you're even communicating with Teresa, but you have to find some sort of common ground. You have to communicate to each other or else we don't have a show. Yeah, I agree. Isn't it interesting that it seems as the more successful these shows get, the more production gets involved? Yeah. They got to the point of success without you touching it.

everything so why now like look at vanderpump that last episode specifically was a fucking disaster to the point where now tom schwartz is going on podcast talking about how he's worried la la is affecting the authenticity of the show by breaking that fourth wall so that's where you know and you got fucking germane coming in we know his name's jeremiah but he will forever be germane on this show it's interesting that the path that got you to all of the success you deviate from and then put your hands on it more, thinking that you, behind the scenes, are responsible for the success of the show,

not the product you're putting out. And that's a dumb approach. Very dumb. Nonsensical. And that's why we're seeing a lot of these shows take these weird turns. And somebody commented that, you guys always say this about these shows where it's like, oh, cancel it, or this and that.

We don't have to say it anymore. Look across the board. They're recasting, pausing, and rebooting more than half of these franchises. We're not saying this for no fucking reason we got involved with bravo in a transitional period and it seems like they're not sure which direction to go but i would argue the non housewife shows are way better than the housewife shows right now yeah they definitely are and look i mean i understand what it is and if you have two sides and

two groups of friends that are not going to communicate you have to deal with what you can yeah but they've been doing this for like six years now right right seven it's like it's like okay i get it you have a shitty hands that you were dealt you're trying to bring in newbies you're trying to change up everything that you can and everything just keeps

falling into place with both sides just not talking to each other and then blowing up and then we just get these boring scenes where you're just decompressing and talking about

how much you hate the other side like I understand that and you have to force them to talk about it because otherwise there is truly no show but you've been doing this for so long

that you have to figure it out now that's a really good way to put it but we get to Joe's party and Fuda arrives of the blow-up doll, which is, I guess, a funny gift, but we get our first... It's not a funny gift. It's not.

It's fucking weird. Yeah, it's strange. But we got our first Frank citing. We haven't really seen him this season, so Frank has finally re-entered the fold, and his, I don't even know what you call it to Dolores when he's like, I'm getting out of here. He's like, well, I thought he was off the show. I did, too.

I was like, where are you going, Frank? And then he's like, I need you to be cool with this. He needs to be okay with this and says that he's proposing to Brittany. Great. You know, she's waiting for Polly to get divorced so that she can get engaged. So clearly, you know, you look at it one way, and this is how I chose to look at it. Like, he respects Dolores so much that he needs her blessing almost to go forward with this, which is sweet. The mother of his children.

Yeah, and they've had that tight relationship for such a long time. The phrasing, which is like, where are you ahead of? He's like, Costa Rica. I was like, fuck why. Oh, oh, to get and get, are you coming back? That's what it made it sound like. Are you coming back from Costa Rica? Yeah.

Because, by the way, a show about Frank in Costa Rica. It could be good. Could be good. That could be a great show. Definitely could be good. I'm just happy to see that at least him and Polly are in a better place because last year was kind of tough to get through. Frank was not making the right decisions at all and he was throwing a his he fit because Polly wasn't being friends with him and didn't want to be boys with him. Let the guy warm up a little bit.

We've seen him. He does not want to deal with any of the other shit that's going on on the show. Just be nice and do that. And it looked like it was a nicer moment. And Polly didn't take offense to the fact that he said, yeah, who would think that I'd be engaged. before you, huh? Yeah. Yeah, really put, I think he was starting

get irritated. He was like, putting the pressure on you, pal. He's like, okay, all right. Let me get, let me get divorced first. Shut the fuck up. But Jackie arrives, and, again, she's like, it'd be really nice if Danielle said hi to me first this time. It's like, let it go.

Yeah, enough. We don't care about it anymore. I don't know why you're still stuck on it. By the way, she said hi to you the other day. You ignored her and acted like she didn't. She walked by and said, hi. It wasn't a genuine high, but it still was a genuine high, But it still was like all you're going to get, I think.

But Polly and Fuda squashed the beef. We don't need to get into that scene. It was whatever. They just are cool now, which is fine. Housewives of New Jersey. Yeah, we're good there. But we get to Marge and Fuda. And they talk about Joe calling Bill for the invite.

And Fuda gets why, you know, it's kind of like Teresa. Like if I had Marge, thank God, it was like, no, it's not. That's not the same thing. You and Teresa have, you've had beef for five months, maybe. because she tried to say that your husband's a drug dealer and like tried to drag him and all that other shit

and you have a P.I. Yeah, you have a right to be mad. You don't have a right to compare this issue to all of the drama that's been going on in the show for years. While you were still a fan,

Bravo Lover, 1, 2, 3, 4, lest we forget. Like, you know the background of this show, but I think that this is a good indicator of where she thinks she falls on this show and how important her role is this season.

I don't know if that's self-appointed. I don't know if that's self-appointed. I don't know if that was our production conversation? I would argue that it's production. They said you need to step up because Melissa's out. If we actually got a breakdown of who has the most screen time, it's the food is right now.

I know. We're getting so much out of them. We've only had like one or two other little scenes where it's someone else's family. We've seen Danielle with Nate. We've seen, I think Fessler had one scene. Marge really just has those intro scenes. Fester's been in a little bit. You just get like little glimpses.

But that's because she's not involved in the shit. It's Fuda, and then we get the times with Teresa's family. It's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty much like the mainstays of the show right now. Like, Melissa and Joe are kind of in the background doing whatever the fuck they're doing. But during this conversation, Fuda says that she's annoyed because she let Fessler in and like, they're so tight and I love her. And she's so close to Teresa. And I can't imagine somebody getting that close to somebody I hate and this and that.

And Marge, of course, agrees. Marge is looking for an area to sink her teeth in this. Oh, yeah. She's just trying to find her angle and who she can set up against who. and you're seeing like the wheels turn. She stands. She actually physically stood behind Rachel a couple different times where she's basically just pushing her

towards what she wants her to do. That's March's ML. Yes, it sure is. And you get a quick cut over Teresa and Louie, their farewell dinner. Again, it was just a sweet scene. Just wanted to call it. That seemed like a genuine family scene

where they're all excited and the sisters are talking about how they look up to Gabriella. And, you know, she's the smart one. What Jersey used to be about? Family. A big family in dinner. before doing stuff.

So it was fast and the furious. Yes. Family, family. Family. I drank Corona's family. More peroni, I feel like, for this one. Yeah, Perone. This is, yeah, exactly.

That's actually really funny. I didn't give you enough credit there. Well done. Well played. But back to the party. Actually, no, before we get there, again, I want to just frame that scene that you get with Teresa and her family versus what you're getting with Melissa and her family.

Melissa and her family. How great are we? we're all so great we don't need anybody else flash over to teresa and her family it's genuine moments but the underlying part is they're still talking about it no because it frames it in a totally different light they're full of shit everyone's full of shit and i'm i'm tired of the shit okay let's just recap the episode i'll recap your face right now moving on you get fessler marge and futa and this is like the big moment of this episode and they're talking about teresa and the plan and all that shit and they keep making snide remarks like oh yeah i looked over

there marge is of course she's pissed before this conversation starts she's like yeah look over there you're just giggling on the sofa just giggling on the sofa with her and marge and fessler are the tightest like they've been friends way before the show So it's going to be really, really interesting, actually. That's the one thing I'm looking forward to this season is how that relationship progresses or digresses. Digresses. One of those two is that, I don't know if that's probably not correct word for digress, but I digress from digressing. Episode two of the day.

Marge, and she always takes this like hard-ass stance. And early on in our Rohn J career, I bought it, the more I'm watching, I'm like, oh, this is just your schick. You know, play hard ass. You're like, I'm not putting up the bullshit. I'm not putting up the bullshit. You just, I'm a wuss. I'm not putting up this bullshit. She repeats it three times.

Like, okay, we got it, Marge. You're tough. You're not putting up with the bullshit. There is no bullshit to really be had here. And I think that the underlying part of it all is like they're holding on to this fact that behind closed doors, Fessler has maybe said some off-color shit about Louie. Yeah, who hasn't? Yep.

Does that mean that in a moment where she is called over by Teresa at a party, at a celebration of life party, that she's going to sit down and say to her, oh, hey, fuck your husband, by the way. Like, no, she handles it. And she's also not incessantly talking about Louie like you are. Right. Every scene that we get you in, you're talking about Teresa and Louie.

When we see Fessler, she's doing other shit. She's trying to have fun. and the main thing that I want to focus on is we're not going to be able to move forward and have any semblance of a good show if we don't have people crossing lines and going over here and talking to this person otherwise we're just going to do a bunch of he said she said shit

if we don't have a fessler sitting down if we don't have Danielle going over it when we inevitably or I guess eventually get Jackie going over to the other side because she's tired of your shit we're not going to have any sort of drama that we can sink our teeth into it's just going to be more of the same

so I don't know why Marge who's so cognizant of how the show works and your fucking paycheck on this show, you should understand without this happening, you're not going to be able to move forward and do anything else. They're just going to rewrite the show. That's a really good point. And Jackie brings up, you know, why does it matter what everyone else is saying about Louis?

Yeah. That's a good point. It's like, you know, Fessler can have a relationship with Teresa despite the things that were said about her husband last year, presumably. Like, that's what we're basing this off of. And, you know, Fessler, for the most part, especially last season did she have conversations

yeah was she the primary person talking shit ever no not really she was the friend of and she did a very good job of being the friend of she was comedic relief she was funny light that's why we loved fessler last year that's why we love fessler this year but this year she's trying to do that same thing which we love her for

and you guys keep trying to drag her into the bullshit you're saying you're not putting up the bullshit marge you are the purveyor of bullshit so knock the shit off but the funniest most ironic sentence I've ever heard is Fessler's trying to explain her stance to Marge and Marge says let me get a word in would you you over talk me all the time who who are you talking about look in the mirror you giant glass house what the fuck you talk over everybody and then you get mean and tough and say unforgivable shit yeah

you go lower than a lot of people and you're going to tell her not to like overtalk you I was astounded. And Fessler, giant gold star, A plus, 100%. I'm not going to sit down and drag Louie. I'm not your fucking soldier. I got your back, but I'm not you. Yep. I'm going to do me.

Fuck yeah, Fessler, do you? And by the way, Marge, what she means by that is by going over and having an adult conversation with Teresa at a party and not escalating it, that's how adults handle situations. Yep. That's what she's doing. She's being a grown-up, looking at it, and saying, hmm, probably not the time, nor my place.

Just going to go over there, smooth it over, move forward. Great, Fessler. Yeah. That's what you do as the friend of, especially. Get it out. Enter Fuda. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom.

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That's why this is so hard. Crocodile tears. Crying, yep. She wasn't crying. Nope. That was bullshit. She wasn't crying at all. I think it's hard to be friends with somebody.

Meanwhile, they're friends with someone who's trying to take me down and take my husband down and this and that, yeah, okay. If you want to look at this, like, black and white, yeah, that's a fair sentiment. But she's not, like, besties with Teresa. She's just neutral, so she didn't have to put up with this bullshit that you guys are trying to start. There's nothing wrong with that.

And you get Marge storming off. And she's like, you just met Teresa. I just threw my journal. You did? I just, that was an involuntary journal to us. That's how heated I am at this. How about that? Because Marge Storm is off.

He's like, you just met Teresa. You've known these for years, you know me for years, and this is bullshit, and it's weird. It's not. It's an adult reaction to this whole thing. It's the only real reaction and the only real moments that we've gotten. And we talked about this last year with Fessler. We get more out of her in the scenes that she's in than we get from the rest of you, because everything else is so fake, so drummed up, so anti the other person.

We get Fessler just bouncing around, just being an actual normal person. She's real. You're offended about something that I said. You want to talk about something that I said where they, They didn't execute their plan. We got her to talk about it a little bit more, and now we understand what she was talking about. And we know what happened, and it was interesting.

Yeah, and it was very interesting. We actually got a real moment. We got a little fourth wall break talking about meeting before a reunion. We got her to sit down with Teresa. It's the first time that someone who's friends with Marge or friends with Fuda has been able to sit down and have a real conversation about what's going on on the show. That's all we're asking for. That's all we want.

Don't tell her not to do that because that's what we need. 1,000%. And I love that she goes away from the conversation. She's like, I'm not putting up with this baby bullshit. And if you don't like what I'm doing, there's lots of people at this party. Go mingle and see somebody else. Talk to them. And maybe they'll have your back, like I did.

Maybe they'll support you, like I do. And they cut inside and now Fessler's in there crying. And she says to Danielle, sorry, Fuda. See, the Fuda's her heart. Fuda's inside, still fake crying. And Danielle comes in. And this is where now she's like, look, I'm a grown-ass woman. I'm not going to tell her who to be.

friends with. I was like, that's exactly what you're doing. It's exactly what you're doing. Literally. Yeah. To the tee. You're not even saying that she can't be friends with her. You're saying that she can't even talk to her. I know. Yeah. Because again, flash over the conversation at the party, it wasn't like this long, crazy moment where they're like slapping hands and high-fiving and laughing. She took a fucking weed pen over there. Yeah, she took a hate pen, sat down and cleared the air and walked away from the conversation. And this is where it's hard to wrap my brain around because Danielle's in this conversation with Fuda at the moment

who's also playing Switzerland and she's like it's different with you though Danielle because you can say I can vent to you and tell you all these things and you keep it you hold it in that Fessler didn't all she did was confirm what she was asked hey we heard that the plan wasn't executed and Fessler defending herself said whoa whoa what happened was I was told there was all of this info none of it came out. I said you didn't even open the manila envelope. That was my involvement. Not only that. But she talked to Teresa about what your big issue is with Teresa, where you say that she's telling everybody that John Fuda is still a drug dealer. She clears that up. Without

that, what are you going to do? Yes, she brought it up on your behalf. Guess what? She's talking about back in the day he was. Now, what she's saying is, I see a good father, I see a good husband. He's moved on from all of that. That gets conveyed to you. you ignore it but the interesting reaction from daniel in the confessional was like oof like i don't know how she puts up with that if that was me sounds like fessler doesn't know how to be loyal it's like wait i thought you were now you're leaning move yeah you were so good at being neutral for two episodes now you're leaning it's very confusing it's weird for daniel because i feel like she has this desire to be friends with rachel that's why she had that last year talking about how you know

we can we can do this together we're new in the group we're younger we're moms like I really want to just like talk about that and be a good friend of yours I don't really get it because when you're again and we're watching this you're spending time with Jen and Teresa and doing all these things and Teresa says yeah I don't give a shit who you're friends with go do what you want to do fine great you go to this side and you're watching this person that you want to be friends with and Rachel yell at Fessler for being friends with or not even being friends with but having a conversation with Teresa you're getting two sides of this and now you're you're leaning that way, that's the weird way to lean.

I think that from what I'm gathering, in my opinion, because the last half of the season, last three quarters of the season was so rough for Daniel, I think she really went through it because she wasn't ready for how dirty the show can get, like how they can really kind of take you out from under your knees. Don't think she was prepped for that. So I think this season, she just doesn't want to be. beat up on or ganged up on. So I think she's trying to just play nice.

I bet you if you get a scene with her and Teresa later that's similar to this, she would be leaning Teresa's right. I think she just wants friends. You have to be careful about your confessions, though. You do. That's the one thing. If these confessions start coming out, you're going to start seeing that other people are going to play dirty.

I mean, well, yeah. It depends on who, the way that you're going to look at these confessionals, because we're looking at right now and we're like, that doesn't make any sense. No, it's not. Why would you lean that way? it's a strange move. There's a lot of, a lot of things up in the air right now,

but the underlying plot of this season, not my fave. No. Let's get to some questions. Let's get to some questions. First up here from Erica Boz Holland. Do you think we have a cast trip in store for this season, or is it just arguing by the shore?

I think there is a cast trip. I don't definitely go on a cast trip. I can't remember what it was. I thought they went to Europe or something, but... Oh, I think that's right. I think they did go to Europe. Yeah, I don't remember what it was. Where's that last year?

Because I remember there was a lot of trauma. But I don't know about this year. Oh, yeah, obviously the castle in Scotland. I forgot about that. But there's always a cast trip. There's always a cast trip. The only time they don't go on an international cast trip is when one of your castmates is under an indictment by the federal government and goes to prison. Yeah.

This is a fun one. From RMEB-124, rank whose house you'd rather stay out of the shore? The Gorgas, the Fudas, or the Aden's? Uh, the Aden's is out. Don't like their house. No. Um, I think the Gorgas, the Gorgas is great. The food is has that pool.

The solid, too. Like, those two are, those two, and they're very similar. Yeah. And like, you know those style houses. Like, we drive by them when we're down there. Like, I, I think you're splitting hairs there. I think that's just whichever house is available that week.

And I would like to stay in both of those, honestly. You know what? That comes down to location. Where are they on the short point? True. That's where you would make that. very familiar with the northern Jersey shores though not either so that would be the because they're both nice spots that would dictate it and we don't know uh from felicity

bias interesting now i'm starting to think that you're biased uh gen f yes b ias yeah maybe that's her name are you biased though yeah are you biased though tell us uh gen f could be the MVP this season but it's too early and i'm scared thoughts she was my MVP last year yeah so i could easily She looked, she's just likable, dude. She's likable because she's normal and she approaches these interactions like we would where it's like, what the fuck is going on? That's fun to see somebody voice that on TV. So Fessler's my frontrunner right now.

Sarah underscore from the block, what are y'all's takes on how food it keeps trying to work his way into the ladies' drama? Stay out of it. Housewives. Yeah, housewives. Yeah, we saw last year the husbands get too involved this year more of the same. look, read the comments. People don't like it. They knock it off.

John Cratelli says, is Fesler the number one guy in the group? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. This is an important thing that we need to talk about. From Casey underscore InPoint, love that username. Do you feel any loyalty slash allegiance to John Fuda because you interviewed him? No.

I think we've made that clear. We make that clear. And anybody that we interview, there are some people that we like and we will root for, of course. but this was just one of those things that we wanted him to talk about things that were going on we gave him a space to talk about it we didn't agree with everything

we didn't disagree with everything we just wanted to give him some time to talk about it and now we watch the show and if he does something on the show we pointed out yeah that's people like to say that we have bias for people on our show we will root for them more than others but the minute they do something stupid we will call them out

the funny thing is when we do that most of them understand where we're coming from we're like hey that was fucking dumb, you are an idiot. Yep. We'll do one more here because I don't really get it. From Diana and Jerry, why don't you guys see how fake and wishy-washy Jackie and Jen Fessler are being?

Jackie, I have no opinion on. What Jackie's trying to do is find a way back full-time. That's why she switched sides, I'm assuming. That, fine. Fessler? Fessler? Yeah. What are you talking about?

I don't know. Like that, if you're watching the show from that lens, I don't know how to help you. Like, no, she's not. She's getting stuck between a rock and a hard place. She doesn't want to get involved. That's what you're seeing. She's trying to play neutral. Fuda's trying to force her into the situation.

Teresa's trying to play. She doesn't care. Meanwhile, she's planting shit. So, no, no. Take Fessler and Jackie should not be in the same sentence. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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