Bros & Shows - Forget About Dre, Let's Try To Forget About This Show (The Valley Full Recap S3 Reunion 1)

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

What's up bros? We're either really close to the end of this god foresaken show or they just soft-launched Scheana & Jax rejoining the cast for a new season, but nothing in between. We suppose this was a big warm-up/feeling out episode before getting into the "big drama" and we're conflicted because we don't know if it's better to get that out of the way or prolong the inevitable. Either way, we do our best to discuss whatever this show has become as they enter the reunion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, the good news is, Bill, and we only have two more. Two more of these, and we can put this show to bed potentially forever. I do think that your celebratory excitement is premature. I've been getting other notes about whether or not the show is going to get canceled, but I'm still, fingers crossed. What do you mean you've been getting other notes? I've heard that there might be due to ratings. I wouldn't count this show out yet.

God damn. You know, I was going to start this with like, the more this goes on, the more I feel like it's not the end. And the more I feel like they're going to get false hope and try to retool a little bit. But then you said that. So, fuck it. I'm celebrating again. Fuck it. This show's over.

It's dead. We're done. We've got two episodes left until it's completely dead and done. I think more so than ratings, I'm really hoping that the online discourse just gets so bad and so. oxick that Bravo is just going to have a problem on their hand, so they just have to get rid of it. Yep. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only Goots in the Valley. What's up, dude? It's so hard to watch this. I didn't realize how bad a reunion was going to be.

Like, obviously, I know it's bad because I don't like anybody. But I didn't realize how tough it is to watch a reunion when you have completely checked out. Like, we don't care about any of these things. I don't care if there's resolution. I don't care if these people are never friends again, if they're never in each other's lives again. No skin off my back.

When you're like not even remotely invested, let alone deeply invested in anything that's going on, it's tough to watch a reunion because they just go from topic to topic, discussion to discussion, interpersonal friendships and all the things that come along with it. And if you really don't care, it is tough to get through. It is a slog through. This is one of the times that I will say this. Yeah, I had to rewind a ton because I thought I was, I think, the worst part. I thought my brain was checking out.

And I was trying to force it back in there. This happens when I watch it early in the morning. And I'm trying to get locked back in. I thought I missed something. I hear something. Nia says something. Lacey and Michelle was probably the only time during this entire thing that I actually paid attention that much.

The rest of it, I feel like I missed something. I would rewind. I didn't miss anything. It was just nothing. It was more nothing. It was crazy to get through. But yeah, this is one of the only times I'll ever say this. I don't need the extended and uncensored version of this reunion.

I would actually like a condensed version. Make it 24 minutes and that I'll be maybe okay. Ideally, if not shorter, because all it was, especially this episode, I'm sure we'll get into like the Danny stuff probably in the midst of next episode. I am happy that we didn't do that this episode. Me too. Yeah, no, I am too.

But I feel like all this was was confirming what we already know. Like they're all just confirming like, yeah, I don't like her. Yes, I don't like him either. And this is why I don't like him, which is what I've been telling you all season. Does it get confusing because we were under the impression that Lacey and Michelle had somewhat made up at the end of the year? Yes. Is that something we're going to discuss? Sure.

I guess we have to. But it was a nothing burger. We didn't talk about anything. We got to hear Lacey, who's supposed to be a friend of psychoanalyzed half the cast and talk about her role in the show, which, Again, I have no issues with Lacey. Like, I thought she was fine on the show. I do get this sense now that she's starting to, starting to feel more powerful on this cast.

I'm getting the vibe that she's like, okay, this is my show now in some ways. Is she wrong? Like, I don't know. Really? From where I'm sitting when I'm watching this, I feel like Lacey and Michelle, Michelle, and we'll save more of a discussion when we get to it.

But again, I feel like that was the only actual conversation of substance was going back and forth. And you can say throw Jesse in there. I don't really care. Throw Dr. Dre in there for all I care. But I felt like Lacey kind of taking center stage and talking more and using her voice more. I think she found her way. And again, that was the most interesting part of this.

I'm not interested in anyone else's lives. It's so muddy. It's so gross and dirty and toxic everywhere else that we go that somehow, some way, a girlfriend of I don't know how to exactly to put this, but you know what I mean. Lacey and Michelle going at it and talking about Isabella and talking about Michelle screaming in the street

because she was in a fight with Jesse, it seems like super toxic, but it's not. It doesn't even scratch the surface of this show. So somehow that was the most interesting thing. I don't know what's going on. It is a crazy town that we live in when it comes to the valley.

But everywhere I look, there's just no redeeming qualities of this show. There really isn't. Now, and like with the Lacey Michelle stuff, Like, again, from a reality TV standpoint, like, sure, that makes sense, everything that I was seeing. Lacey's kind of found her way. She's found her voice. She has more of a standing in this group.

I'm totally fine with that as well. When we get into the Lacey Michelle stuff, because up until that point, we're just talking about Brittany and Jacks and the custody agreement and the drug tests and all that stuff, which you've talked about before. Do you not want to talk about Lala and Shea? No. Why? I don't. By the way, because all that, you know what that is. And when you put together the fact that I don't think the show is getting canceled,

and Sheena gets mentioned four times, what's going to happen next season? You fucking know she's coming back. And I don't want that to happen, but it's going to happen. Mark my words right now. Do you think it hurts more because it was delayed? And we obviously had this take last year when Sheena was doing her book tour. And everywhere you looked, we were talking about Sheena's book. And then we have people commenting on our shit saying,

you guys got to read Sheena's book because we're not going to read it. We want you to, no, that's where we draw the line. We will watch shows that you guys are not watching anymore, but you want to listen to us talk about it and hate on it. We will not read Sheena's book. I won't even do the audio book, even if it's a different person talking. But that, I think, hurts more because we thought it was going to come last season. Like, all right, here's the announcement.

She's going to join for season three, just like Lala and Schwartz are full-time cast members. And we're going to get to the bottom of this whole Brock cheating scandal while she was pregnant. That sucked. that talking about that constantly really sucked. And then the lineup comes out and she's not part of the show. Then this happens. I think it hurts more. I think because we let our guard down,

all of a sudden, the idea that this show is going to come back for a season four sucks enough. You're going to throw Sheena and Brock into the Dix. And we know you're going to do that. That hurts even more. That might be grounds for dismissal. We might just have to dismiss the whole show at that point. I mean, perhaps.

I just feel like they're spitting in our mouth and telling us it's raining. that seems forced you're just hitting the quota we need to it's been a minute since we worked that in there so i'm just making sure but yeah i mean that's what's happening if you think otherwise i'm sorry to inform you you're wrong sheena will be back on this show in some capacity but it doesn't matter to those people you you can apologize to them all they want they're they're not going to watch it we're going to have to watch it we'll watch it yay hell yeah at some point our mental health has to come into play guys it just does no it doesn't okay no i think we're you know this is what we signed up for you know yeah we don't think

that much of ourselves so yeah we can't hold you guys to a higher standard that's a good point too you know yeah but it's just a lot of fallouts with jacks across the board like danny and him had a falling out jessie and him had a falling out he was talking shit about kiana of all people like schwartz's girlfriend which is so fucking weird and that was probably his last real life line because schwartz lives next door and doesn't want it to be awkward so he's going to always be okay with But anyway, that also, to me, between that and this potential publicist thing makes me think, oh, God, we're mentioning Jacks a lot. And I know we were going to. Of course, we're going to mention Jacks a lot because that's what we do on this show.

But fuck, are you going to shove him back down our throat too? Are we going to get Sheena Brock and Jacks back in the same fucking season? No, I really don't think they're going to bring Jacks. I think the conversation actually in a weird way made me feel better about the idea that Jackson was going to not come back or come back because Andy kept asking questions like, oh, it's killing him that he's not on this show, isn't it? And I'm like, ah, don't do that, don't do that. But I think when we go around and everybody on stage is saying, he texted me and said this,

Brittany says, he texted me and said, we need to take Danny down. I really wish I was he texted her on the parenting app, which I don't know what that is, but I think it's self-explanatory. He texted her through that and said, I would. I wish I was there so I could take Danny Dell. So the fact that he's behind the scenes trying to like nip at everybody along the way saying I would do this on the show. I would do.

I don't think Bravo fucks with that in a weird way. I think they would like to bring Jacks back just for the chaos of it all and who cares anymore. I mean, this show is terrible as it is. But I don't think they like that. They have weird lines that they don't want people to cross. Yeah, agreed. But I don't know.

We will. I don't know. I really don't know, especially this show. Like it might be what you said and it very. very likely could be that he's coming back. Like there's no rhyme or reason to the things that they do. Just whatever Jeremiah is feeling that day, fucking dipshit.

But let's talk, Michelle and Jesse. And we got a little call back to Aaron and the breakup. And that guy, I don't know who he thinks he is. We talked about this. He had his 15 minutes of fame, had a couple of people follow him online,

a couple of like fitness influencers followed him. And he was like, oh, my God, I've still got it. And I can't be. hanging around with this 30 year old woman, I gotta go get me a 20 year old. That's what Aaron did. And now he's by himself probably basing his own body and honey because I just,

I have a feeling he does that. I don't really know why. That's really funny. I love the idea of Aaron just laying in like a tub of honey. But what the fuck? I'm as mad that we're talking about Aaron again as I am for what he said. It's like 50-50. And we're really going to give this guy a little bit more talking.

And obviously it's a good thing because he's shitty. But the idea that he even said to Michelle, 10 years from now, what are you going to look like? What the fuck is that, dude? What the fuck do you think you are? You look like a, like a wacky, waving, inflatable arm flailing tube man. And you have a five head. And you have very few redeating qualities physically. I know.

Like, who does he think he is? Have you seen this man throw a football? Even if you don't know. how football is supposed to be played. If you watch him throw a football, one, you'll say that's got to be wrong. And two, you would get the permanent dick. Like, I don't know who would want to fuck that guy after watching him throw a football. But I don't think I can even, I don't think I can even throw it the way that he threw it.

Like, just watching him, I don't think my arm would move that way. Like, meh. Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe it was stuck to his hand because of honey. Oh, yeah, he's just like soaked in honey at all times. Yeah. Yeah, just some level of honey. But we get an update on Dr. Dre, which is my favorite thing.

And again, like, I was one of the people who's like, that's not real. That's got to be AI. No, they are hanging out. She doesn't want to jinx it. It sounds like she's not getting into it too much. I would imagine, I don't know if an NDA's involved. I would imagine he probably wants to keep it pretty buttoned up. I don't know.

Well, apparently he took another girl to Nobu like this week. Oh no. Which kind of sucks. No, boo. No, boo. Don't we like it, right? Didn't he do some like shady shit?

I don't think, yeah, most likely. I mean, who hasn't in that, you know, ring of life between that? There's connections to like Diddy, I'm sure. So why not?

I'll just, I'll throw allegedly out there. Oh, yeah, history of domestic abuse. Yep, there you go. Yeah, yeah, chances are something happens. But yeah.

So, I don't know. Look, the Dre thing obviously was going to be a talking point. Shouldn't be more than a couple minutes. But I think we're going to make five or ten more references to it back and forth. Somebody else is going to do something. She probably did sign an NDA from being honest. Yeah.

She probably did sign an NDA from being honest. But the pictures obviously go against that. So the whole thing is just really weird. I don't care that much. No, I don't either. Let her live her life. And I do think somewhat, Jesse was kind of heading down a path of like, let her live her life. She's single. We're divorced. Everything's okay. But at the same time,

you know, this is like the third, fourth person that Isabel has met. So I don't really know how that. That's one of those things where we talk about things like that all the time where we're like, we shouldn't be part of that discussion. We shouldn't really know about those things. Don't bring the kids into it. But I don't, I don't know if I have like a dog in the fight, so to speak, because like I let Michelle live her life. But also I kind of understand where just he's coming from. But he's kind of being a dick about it. So then I go back to Michelle. I think I'm just going to end up right in the middle and just not pick a side, which people get mad at us for. There were so many comments last week, like, come on, bros, pick aside.

No, we don't have to. If two people suck, if Danny and Janet both suck, and I want them off the screen, fuck them both. Fuck them both. Yeah. I don't understand why it's such a tough concept for people to get. Yeah, no, you guys have been here long enough. You know that. If we don't agree with somebody, we're not going to take their side just because they are on the other side of somebody we hate more.

but I'm kind of where you're at with this conversation and with the Jesse versus Michelle of it all. Because here's the thing. I understand where Jesse's coming from in which, all right, you've dated four guys in two years, three of which I've met our daughter already. I'm not okay with that. It seems a little willy-nilly. It seems a bit careless with Isabella's feelings. He has some foundation there, but that's not how he's going to.

about this. He's just using this as ammo. He's going, ha ha, I'm going to paint you in a bad light real quick. If he was being genuine and was like, hey, like, I just want to make sure for Isabella's sake, but he's trying to make her look as bad as humanly possible. So what I hear it that way and you're using this as like an advantage, that's slimy, especially I did not care for. And I understand it's a reality TV show. So we're going to cross boundaries and step over lines.

some of the things that Lacey said. I was like, ooh. Yeah, so that's where it gets very interesting for me because I thought we buried this. Like I thought we resolved things. I thought we moved forward between Jesse and Michelle and between Lacey and Michelle, but clearly something has happened. Something happened after they wrapped filming because at the end of the season,

they were fine. There were no issues. They were cordial at the very least. If not borderline like okay and good at co-parenting. But something must have happened along the way because usually Lacey's the one like, hey, don't say that shit to her. Like, that's a little too far or you're being an asshole. Don't do any of those things.

But she was saying it. And he was saying it. She didn't have any issues with him saying it. So something must have happened along the way. And this is where these waters get very murky because we don't know exactly what happened. And they're not saying what happens. But there's clearly a lot of animosity between these three.

So I don't know what to really think about it necessarily. Again, it's shit that we probably shouldn't be talking about. but maybe some people enjoy watching that stuff. I personally do not. I just don't know what happens because, again, we thought Michelle had a great season and then she shows up to the reunion and she's got fire for these two. And it's very bizarre because I liked where she was heading.

Now she's kind of the, I don't know if Jesse and Lacey dragged her back down to the dirt, whatever Michelle's going through, drag them into it. I have no idea what happened because they're not really telling us. I don't either. And it's kind of making Michelle take a step back. It doesn't look great. as we're trying to sift through the evidence, quote unquote, you know, it's just he said,

she said. But I don't think Lacey came out of it looking good either. I think that, again, from a captivating standpoint, like, this is the only thing that happened this reunion that was worth discussing. But I think, I don't know. Like, I feel like where Lacey's coming from in, this is a vendetta because you hate your ex-husband and I'm collateral damage. I can see where she's coming from.

And I do think it'll go a long way if Michelle could acknowledge that part of it where it's like, yeah, I did have a little extra smoke for you, just given everything that was going on. At the same time, Lacey tried to use the, I told you, I would always take your side and I would do this, I would do that, or just like that. I believe you. But I also think that you're taking advantage of that to throw digs in here at Michelle and question her parenting of Isabella, whom you are now involved with as well in saying, you know, painting this scene. of when Michelle went over to Jesse's and they're screaming outside at each other and using that as like ammo against Michelle is like, whoa, that's kind of dirty

because for her to throw in there like your daughter's crying, the neighbors are yet. She was yelling at the guy that she had just gotten separated from. Like they were having their own thing. This is a separate issue that doesn't really involve you. You were just present, but you're using it to try to make Michelle look crazier

because you want to discredit the other things that she's saying about you. I thought that was slimy as fuck. I don't really know because I think they were hurling back and forth. They were just guerrillas in the in the zoo exhibit, just throwing poop balls back and forth. But if I had to pick, I would say, I mean, objectively speaking,

I think Lacey just wiped the floor with Michelle. Because every time that, every time Michelle said something, Lacey had something very much, very poignant back to her. Whether it was good or bad is a completely different conversation. She was prepared. intentionally speaking Lacey crushed Michelle and Michelle looked bad and again we were rooting for Michelle the entire season but she took a big step back. She went right back to where she was in season one where I'm starting to question her authenticity while she's questioning Lacey's authenticity and whether or not she's a liar.

But Lacey has for better or worse, Lazy has a lot of proof. She's got videos from her office. She has text messages. I did like that little moment where she was like, I didn't send that text message to you. And everyone's looking around like, I've seen those text messages. Yes, you did. Hey, she sure did. Jasmine leaning in like, hey, just be careful.

It looks like everybody else has seen the text messages. You definitely said that. So maybe just back off a little bit. No, I'm not back it off. She's like, nope, you can't really do that. So Lacey won that one. Lacey's, I don't want to say a breath of fresh air for the show because I do think just the general vibe of this entire show is so toxic that she's going to get down to

the dirt with everybody else. And she has a good personality for reality TV on a different show she might work. on this show, it's just going to be more of the same. It's just going to be a more powerful image, I guess, kind of necessarily. But I don't know. I really don't know. This was the only captivating moment of the entire reunion. I'm like, oh, okay, what's going on here?

And yeah, Michelle took a step back. Yeah, Lacey, without a doubt, won this altercation, this back and forth. But I don't know. I think on a different show, like you said, I see Lacey. It makes a lot more sense with this current show that we're watching. like I don't really want to see three people that are supposed to co-parent together drag each other down. Like that kind of sounds awful, actually, because we know that at the end of the day, there's a child involved who's going to see this. So let's just in a nutshell say Lacey and Jesse get married.

Yeah. Isabella grows up and, oh, you guys run a show and watches this back. Not awesome. So, like, again, I also think that Lacey is. what you said for better or worse as far as having all of that shit, all of that evidence, that raises questions for me when you compare that with the OC thing, like was she clamoring to get on OC? Yeah.

Is she overly prepared intentionally because she is that thirsty to be a reality TV star? Yeah. It's funny because I had a different thought, but that makes a ton of sense. The other thought I was thinking is she's also a doomsday prepper. So of course she has these things. Sure. Like she has a bunker. She's got all these things all set up.

if and when. So of course she has multiple cameras in her office, different angles of a different conversation that she already had. And she's got them ready to go. So I think that might just be within her personality. So it actually makes sense to me. But at the same time, yeah,

it means that she's probably got her ducks in a row. She's probably been trying to get on reality TV for years, which we know she has. And she's applied to be on those shows before, which there's nothing on. I don't have an issue with that. Yeah. But I don't know.

It's sort of like maybe she, because now I'm wondering if her voice got stronger. at the reunion and she was going after Michelle for a moment so that she could then solidify herself as a good reality TV star versus the season where she was a little bit more authentic and kind of knocking Jesse down a peg like, like, hey, don't talk to Michelle like that. I'm going to talk to Michelle like that at the reunion, so don't ruin it. So now it brings a lot of those things into question too. That's all I'm saying. And again, she won this back and forth. I don't have any issues of place you see on TV. Like, if you want to be a reality TV star, you're a good one, so go do your thing.

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And after this, this back and forth, like, then it kind of just gets a little wacky. Like, you just kind of talk about everybody else. And like, are you still, it's literally, are you still friends with so and so? Why aren't you friends with so and so? What happened to you two? It's like, okay, but we already saw this all season. Like, we know what's going on. The Zach and Janet thing right away, like, I don't, I just, don't really get. I mean, I do get it. It's frustrating because I do actually understand it. And that's, I think, a byproduct of us watching this show so intently, unfortunately for us. I understand exactly what's going on. Janet fucking sucks. And she did this all season. And then the

moment that Zach was doing something, which is very normal where you're not really friends with somebody and you're kind of pissed off at them. And there are other people in a group chat that clearly do not like Janet. You're going to talk shit. It's what happens. If he doesn't fucking apologize, who cares? crying about it, Janet. And on the other side, Zach, you have to understand where Janet's coming from because to her face, you're very nice to her, but then you're talking shit behind her back.

You got caught. They used you. You got caught as collateral damage because Kristen and Nia wanted to throw you under the bus and saying that you're talking shit on Janet. Like, oh, that's your best friend over there. So it immediately severs ties to any good friendship that you guys might be working on. Janet's going to get pissed off about it, but she sees that as a moment to go after Zach,

which is annoying as shit because she's way too hyper aware of how these shows work. And I just love it. Like we're having a discussion about what Zach's intent is. And Jason gets up there. Jason pisses me off once again. Like he, him tearing his ACL was a godsend for this season because I forgot how annoying he fucking was. And I know he's just sticking up for his wife,

but he's got that snarky fucking voice. It's the spogness. It's the smart, dude. I'll tell you something right now, Zach. You motherfucker. That's exactly. what it is. And he's talking about how Zach sees what the fans do,

which is so goddamn ironic because that's exactly what Janet and Jason do. And that's what we're talking about. Like, you are so hell bent on the idea that Zach, and I genuinely believe that Zach doesn't give a fuck. I really don't think he cares. I think that she went too like over the top, it

irritated. I mean, he's like, I don't want to deal with this. Exactly. And that's normal, but we shouldn't have to have a long, drawn out 12 minute discussion in a reunion about whether or not you guys can be friends. And once again, we end the whole thing with, well, can you guys get up and give each other a hug and say you'll move forward? Sure, we can give each other a hug and move forward. We're going to be in the same position next year because Janet's going to do something else.

We know what happens. Cameras go back down. Janick tries to be normal again. Cameras are about to pick back up and she's going to fucking spin something. So it's just all for not when it comes to this show. We have these different moments, which we always root for resolution. We get resolution on this show. We're just tired. We are exactly. aspirated every fucking time we have to have a resolution because they go nowhere and it just takes steps back immediately after. Yeah. And when you go after the Doty Janet thing, this is the problem is we just, it's copy and

paste everyone's issue with everyone is the same as everyone's issue with everyone. And in this one, you can do the same exact thing. Yeah, Janet sucks. And yeah, Doty, you have reasons to not trust her and not like her. But on the flip side of that, you didn't give her a chance. He didn't even kind of give her a chance. Zach, you, like, sort of did. And then he went behind closed doors and talked to all the shit.

So like I said, like you said, I get both Zach's side and I get Janet's side. Then I look at Doty. I'm like, yeah, okay, but you suck too. So like, again, here we are at this stalemate of, I can see both sides. Yeah, Janet sucks. But Doty, you had a terrible season and you never gave her the time of day. And had you give her the time of day? she probably would have put her foot in her mouth again because that's what she does.

So it's a wash that I don't really care to talk about. I didn't enjoy watching it. And now we're sitting here at the reunion and Andy is trying his hardest to just find things to discuss because he's waiting to drop the bomb on Danny and get into that whole thing. But we have to have three episodes. We've got to drag this shit out. We got to hear Jasmine answer one question from a fan about her going to confessionals because she gets talked over in the group.

We should have dove into that for a little bit because that's true. We've watched her get batted down. And once again, she kind of just gets pushed to the side. Like, yeah, probably, but we don't have time to talk about you. We got to talk about Janet again.

Nah, not really. Not that the Jasmine thing would be that much more captivating, but at least it's something else. It's something not friendship related because now we're going to go to Brittany and Zach and we're going to do the same fucking thing that we just did with Janet and Zach. Janet and Doty.

Now let's do Britney and Zach, where Britney, you do get walked all over. No one gives two fucks about you in this group. No, you're not a good friend either because you play the people pleaser middle ground card where you're not actually close with anybody because you want to be nice to everybody. So here we are. Nothing. No movement. The Britney thing.

The Britney thing sparked another really annoying discourse online too. Because people have amnesia now. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Brittany's a great friend. No, she's fucking not. She never has been. She has always been with Jacks, and now people are kind of throwing Jacks under the bus,

which, you know, that's where he lives anyway, so who cares? But it's not, it's not the same. They're not mutually exclusive. Like, just because Jacks was there doesn't have anything to do with Britney not being a good friend. She wasn't a good friend. She just simply wasn't. But because it's going against somebody else and you want to root for that person, and you have to now say that Brittany is a good friend.

Like, no, this is exactly what we're talking about. Both sides suck. It's okay to say that. We actually missed one thing. We missed one thing from the very beginning. Luke didn't watch the goddamn show. Dude. What the fuck, man.

I didn't, I, you know, I just needed to protect by peace. And I'm in a really good place mentally now. I didn't want to relive that. Like, okay, maybe you should. How about introspection? Maybe go ahead and do that. Like that was wild to me. We can talk about that for a while if you want to.

It was a microcosm of therapy. It was something we've already seen on a bigger scale going, yeah, you know, I just really didn't want to put myself through that. I hate you. I hate you. I hate people like Luke that are so fucking scared and such a big pussy that you can't look at yourself and figure out what you've done wrong, especially with the mountain of examples that you've given us this season by simply talking.

Like, you need to, Doty, sit him down and make him watch it. Say, hey, if you really want this to work out. Because you know, Kristen watched it. Kristen even said it on Watch Robbins Live. She's like, we don't get the episodes until you can, which I think is fucking outland. It's like, you just filmed the reunion. You saw all of it. But now you're back pedaling because you see everybody going after Danny.

This whole cast has a problem, maybe except for Zach. And I'm Benji, of course, who we love. But everybody on this cast has a problem. problem with reading the goddamn comments. I agree. I don't think Zach cares and we love Zach, but no, Zach really doesn't care. But like, I just can't believe that that's what happened and now that actually just rep pissed me off too, because now we know what's going to happen. Now we understand what the next two episodes are. It's going to be digging into Luke and Doty. It's going to be digging into Danny versus the

whole group. That's what all of episode two and all of episode three are going to be. And that, that really bothers me. That doesn't make me happy at all. Yeah, not to do it. I know. Not going to watch it. Not going to watch it. Tell you right now. I'm not watching it.

We have to watch it. Give me the cliff notes on the whole thing. But yeah, I mean, the Britney Zach thing, if we do just like dip a toe into it, because I could go on and on about Luke and that whole thing. He's just not a good dude.

We'll save it for when we have to. Yeah. Like we're hopefully going to get into it. I hope Andy grills him. And I hope people actually step up. Like that was another thing that I really, really despise about this show. First of all,

we're platforming the most mediocre subpar men on the planet. Right? And then amidst giving them a platform, nobody, nobody holds these dudes accountable. For any of this shit, where is anybody on this cast going,

like one of the dudes? One of the guys going over to Luke and not co-signing what he's doing, not saying, yeah, man, I get that because when she was pregnant, she was a nightmare too. Like, where's the one dude on this show that pulls him aside and goes, hey, dickhead, she's going through a lot.

Maybe just shut the fuck up for six months. Like, just stop fucking talking about it because you keep burying yourself. But no, instead, we have all of these like-minded, misogynistic douchebags that sit there and chirping each other's ears that the women are the problem. And then the worst part of that is you have a producer in this show in Jeremiah. who his whole career has been platforming mediocre dudes and making money off of the jacks of the world. And now he's at the helm going,

this is gold. And yet, you know what, boys, you're right. It's these women's fault. No, these guys are awful.

Top to bottom except for Zach and Benji. Everyone else. Well, it's also very interesting because the women of, let's call them the women of Jeremiah, if you will, have fallen in line. And maybe there's a point where we could go back and watch VPR and realize like up there's the moment.

Lala, Doty, Brittany, they all do it. And it's that that's what we have to deal with now. And that's why this show really does suck is you have shitty dudes. Somehow, some way Jeremiah goes out and finds these dudes. Other times it's usually the women that have been on BPR that then find these dudes date them, marry them, have babies with them because that's what they've been trained to do via Jeremiah, via VPR. And now we have a show about that in the future.

We have a show 15 years in the future from VPR where there was a time where everybody had an individual minded thing. They all had their own personalities. Now they're kind of like a hive mind. It's like, oh, I think this, you think this, we think this. We're going against the other hive on the other side. It's like, no, it's just not. Have a fucking creative thought of your own. Don't just do these things.

And then also you've got these guys thrown in the middle and they just get excuse after excuse. It's insane. I'll actually give Lala credit. I think that she's the only one that goes. against that mold. I think that she, I think she goes so far the other. She still makes excuses for shitty dudes. It's just, you know, sometimes she calls it out, which I guess is okay.

But I think she goes so far the other way that it's so performative. I don't believe it. And that's what I was saying. Like you can argue that what she does is firmly for the show. Like it's very produced. It's very pointed and very contrived. But at the same time, I'm not going to lump her in with the, because she will call out the dudes. And I do want to give her credit because she's the only one that really had the

balls this season to say shit to Danny, to say shit to Nia, to not kind of just like tiptoe around it and be like, oh, well, he's a nice guy behind closed doors. So I don't want to lump her in entirely. I do get what you're saying, like where it's show centric 24-7. But I do think that you don't have to. Yeah. It's okay. But it's just it the structure, the cast like, no. Yeah, he's And I think most of you out there feel the same way because like this is it. That's all that happened. So you got Michelle and Lacey, then you get scenes from next week. And you get people saying, are you friends or aren't you friends?

And not in the way that we're used to on reunions or it's like, ooh, talk about that one thing that happened in episode five. And then talk about the thing that happened in episode seven, when you guys thought you were cool, then everything fell apart. And then talk about no, it's like this gradual just like, oh yeah, remember the entire season where things were kind of uncomfortable. and awkward and both of you kind of suck. Is that still happening? Oh, it is? Okay. Yeah. Good. Yeah. It's great.

I don't know. I think that's why it's so like, it's just frustrating because the only thing that we've talked about like at length that made any sense was Lacey and Michelle. And clearly something happened and we're not talking about that, which is frustrating. Everybody else is in the same place. It's just now we're forcing them to talk about it,

which we're not hearing anything new. Nothing's changed. We're not going to get anything. anything. We're not expecting anything. There's no Hail Mary. Like, I don't really want to spend an entire episode talking about Luke being a shitty dad and the shitty fiance because there's going to be excuses.

It's just going to be laden with excuses everywhere. Then we're going to talk about Danny's same fucking thing. It's just, why even have the reunion at this point? And that brings me to my big idea. Why even have the show at this point? Nothing changes. These people suck. Because Sheena needs a place to go.

Oh, God. Dude, I can't. I know. I know. Let's just get the questions. Let's see what your audience has to say about it. And I found it going to start with Carlin San Diego. Oh, nice name, by the way. Is it a Carmen San Diego, Carlin San Diego? Where in the world is Garmin San Diego?

When is Bravo going to start severely finding cast members who don't watch the show? First of all, and most importantly, let's remember that the professional sports idea of finding the players via Bravo now like implementing this was was here that idea was coined here okay but I don't know they should do that they should start doing it now because I would say the last

year and a half have had the most egregious not watchers yeah they really have I mean there's some people that you know aren't going to watch it or it gets a summer house and neither West nor Amanda watched it it's like okay we're not going to get anything out of you

but I don't know, man. From I just had a good one from Maddie Reagan, snooze fest, why is this reused in three parts? Why do they keep dragging this show out? Correct. There's no reason to do this. Three parts is insanity.

They're doing it for the ratings because people continue to watch. We have to watch, so we're not part of that. But people continue to watch this because they want to go online and they want to fight with the other side. It's where they get their kicks. Yeah, honestly, that's the driving force behind this show and any success it's having.

I do want to point this. out because I wanted to call it out in the beginning and I forgot. But Marissa and Palma, is Danny shrinking? It seemed like every time the camera pan to him, he got smaller. He is so itty-bitty on that couch. He looks like a toddler with his feet swinging up on the couch right there. I cannot wait to just, that'll be fun. That's the only thing I'm looking forward to is dragging him one more time.

Yeah, well, not one more time. Let's be honest. They'll be back. From Kay Spark on your side here. from K Sparkle K, how do we ensure that Lacey stays on our screens? I mean, we talked about that a bit. I think she's very good for reality TV. I think she'll bring a lot to a show.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see her end up over there. That would be fantastic. Get her out of there now before she gets tainted by whatever the hell is going around in the valley. Yep. From Janice Ingram 360. Did I hear Danny use the word character and integrity to describe himself in the finale? what a joke. Yes, he did. He is a man of character and integrity.

He's a really good guy. He is a really good guy, according to him. A lot of wise men say that. A lot of wise men say that he's a really good guy. Yep. Oh, this is wrong. From Chris 4 MSU. Did you guys watch the extended version that had so many more conversations?

No. I mean, we did. Yes, we did. They weren't good. You had the wrong show, Chris. from Maggie Mandarano. How was it an hour long and nothing happened? Correct.

I don't know. This was just a warm up. I can't believe when Andy said we're about to break for lunch. I'm like, really? We're doing all of the Danny shit, all of the Luke shit, all of the other things.

We're doing the bulk of it after lunch. That doesn't make any sense. How much? That actually tells you all you need to know. They decided to spend the entire morning talking about shit that didn't really matter. And they had to cut it down to 48 minutes long. And there still wasn't anything. Exactly.

Let's see. From Meg's Valentine, does Danny need to stop getting Botox? No, he needs to get more, actually. Okay. I need to see how far a human face can twirl when it comes to Botox. Twirl? Yeah. I don't know.

Twirl just seemed right. Carly Botos. Have you heard from Kristen since you're Luke bashing, which he fully deserved? No. no we have not i don't think that christin's the type to seek out bashing and then have a rebuttal at least at this juncture in her life maybe before like 10 years ago but i think i would say she's probably aware of how we feel not just about luke but also you know danny the show everything else yeah you know i that's the one thing though we pride ourselves on yes we we have relationships of some of these people on Bravo,

but we will never pull punches because we want to protect the friendship. Like if they're being morons, we're going to call them out for being morons. And that's the brav-brose guarantee. Yep. From T-Gal now, why is Kristen still denying that she said the manipulation thing?

What did she say? She, like, kind of blackout. No, like, I don't know. I must have saw red because I know that I said it. And I did say, I must have saw red. And she sidestepped it. It worked. Yeah.

That was it. Yeah. Like, that should have been a further conversation because you got caught red-handed on camera. And we're talking about you and Brittany's relationship. And that was a very big piece of evidence for what you're doing and how you're flying towards Nia and away from Brittany and away from Lala and lying to their faces. But we just had like one little conversation. She's like, I don't know. I was seeing red.

I just, I know I said it, but I don't remember. I don't know why I did that. Okay. That's cool. Good input. We'll just move forward. But that's the thing. Like when you look and then we can get one more to finish on.

But when it comes to Brittany, like was she a good friend? Is she a good friend? No. She's never been a good friend. Are the things that she does like egregious and awful? No. But the treatment of Brittany from other people, I will say, I will say people treat her worse than the level of. bad friend that she is.

No one takes her seriously. I do feel bad for her. Everyone just kind of like, like she starts talking and everyone just stops listening. Whereas like she just tries to play neutral, which ends up not supporting anybody by trying to support everybody. So I actually feel bad for it. Yeah.

I agree with that. I've got two more real quick here and then we'll end. But from Annabelle R. Goodson, Danny looks like a Buffy vampire. That is very spot on. That is exactly what he looks like. and if he keeps getting Botox, he will look more like that. And from Lane Kiffin can go to hell.

I love that. Great username. I guess you're an Ole Miss fan. From not a question, I'm sorry, not a question, but I feel like the reunion apps will be way more entertaining than the season. One, entertaining is certainly not the word. Two, the bar is so low that you might be actually correct,

but not entertaining. It'll be, the next two episodes will be, I don't even want to say action-packed. It'll be conversation-packed. We'll leave it there. I don't, yeah, nothing that, nothing that insinuates we're going to enjoy these next two episodes.

Yeah. I don't know. We got to do at least two more. Like I said, I have a feeling it's coming back. But at least two more. Nah, raw inhale. Raw inhale. A lot of people did,

like your Brittany impersonation last week. Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, you've been holding on to it, but. I don't do impersonations often, so I don't like that. No, but when you do, they're pretty good. Pretty, pretty good. That's all. You got anything else?

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