Bros & Shows - Fresh Meat Enters the Love Hotel (Love Hotel Ep. 03 Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Scotia Bank, your rich. than you think. Things are getting heavy at the Love Hotel. Seems like people have figured out that this is a game show. I know. It's exciting. We got some strategy going on. We got some hearts being broken and, uh...

Some tempers flaring. Yeah. Not a lot of veggies. No. No. Good evening. everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by the one and only doctor love goots what's up i was so excited to start with this new

crop of men walking in the door i need to got it you just got to get a look at them you know yeah size them up see what's going on we knew what was going to happen you know the ladies were going get their time figure out what kind of guys they were dealing with they still like my idea better what was your idea where they walk in they just have to pick without talking to anybody yeah you get to pick three guys. You don't want to objectify him too much. No, but it'd be funny. Yeah.

You know what, though? And this, it's going to come across his mean. We wouldn't have gotten Craig. That's a good point. Craig would have been out the door immediately. Holy Craig, by the way. God, he was great TV. He was an interesting cat.

I need Craig to show up with like a different wig every time that they do new guys. Is that a wig? No. Oh, you're saying wear a wig. I need him to wear a wig and just show up every time. Different crazy. shirt and show up in the new crop well the shorts why he didn't get picked

spoiler earlier well he thinks it's the shirt so fucking funny he was just from another planet but why don't we get into the love hotel because like you said we got some new dudes to to vet and earl's not threatened because there's only one earl the pearl i'm really excited

that jacet i'm really excited to talk to you about that stuff when we get there no earl says there's only one earl the pearl Oh, did he? Yeah. I just saw you got some love from Jay. There was some more love there, but, yeah, Earl's the one that said that. So, you know, trying to pump himself up or something.

He's knocked for that one then. I think he came up with that nickname himself? I don't know. Potentially. Oh, is he one of those guys? Yeah. Yeah, I don't like those guys. No.

My nickname's this. Oh, boo. Everybody calls me, Earl. The Perl. Like, if you came up, it's my nickname, Shooter, I would never call you. I actively avoid ever doing that. I know you do. I try to not bring new people around people who know me as shooter.

so that they don't hear it. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. My favorite thing ever that came from this podcast is that yeah, tens of thousands of people know you as shooter,

which is way more than people that know you has your birth name. Yeah. I won't dox you right now. Thank you. I've doxed you before. You can go back and find it if you need to. But anyway, we get to meet James Earl Jones,

which is cool, uh, Edward, who weirdly enough did do voice acting work. Yeah. In Garfield. Yeah. He found his calling.

He did. Absolutely. Yeah. When he talked, I was like, Whoa. I hate Mondays. That's what you think is...

I don't know. Not good at mimicking voices. Don't get me started. We'll be here for too long. But weirdly enough, Giselle knows Ed. They have a history together a little bit. Or her cousin, his cousin has a history. It shows you the lack of production that went into the show.

Right? How is there anybody here? Well, that one and two, unless that was intentional, we can't find a dating pool of older men that is... I don't know, not acquaintances? Not, you know, from the area that they've been from? Perhaps. I mean, they do have a ton of people.

It seems like almost every guy is from L.A. Yeah, but who's really from L.A.? Yeah, that's a good point. Who's really from L.A.? But anyway, this was a cluster fuck for me to try to keep track of because this was even more jumping around than we've had previously. So I'm going to do my best here to hone in on some things that I thought were funny. So let's start out with our introduction to Craig.

He's talking to Shannon, Adam, and Ian. Craig's retired, right out of the gate going to Antarctica. Sick. I would love to do that. He's that guy. He was retired, had a good career, clearly. He just bops around, does wacky things. We find out later, he's one of those people that bought a ticket on a space shuttle.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm super jealous of that. Do you know how much those cost? What are they? $200,000. I was going to say. So, look, you might, Craig not be your cup of tea.

And he's got some cash to throw around. a lot of money to be throwing around on these trips to Antarctica and space. But Giselle's talking to Ed when we get their background. They were, he's first cousins with the Thompson's. Yep. Everyone knows that. Everybody knows the Thompson. So he's first cousin with the Thompson's.

Last time he saw her was high school because she dated his cousin. And as Ashley points out, they touched all the bases. They touched all the bases. Nice. And he's a voice actor in Garfield. Yeah. Which is a new venture. Very new.

Yeah. I thought he had more. I thought there was more there was more range yeah yeah I was bummed out that he didn't get a didn't get a nod yeah I could have done with more Ed I think it was just weird because because of I do I do and again that's where I point to the production of the show like what do we do yeah I it's that's a tough look for them but Ian Ashley and Craig are chatting get some more Craig Craig Craig Craig's never been married you look like somebody though he does look like Stephen King he does look like Stephen King didn't think he looked like Austin Powers

What did he say Shagadlegelic? He said Shagalicious. Shagalicious. Shagalicious. Loss of Powers does not say that. Never. Nope. Nope.

Not at all. But Jason, Jason is, we meet him too. He's 37. He's talking to Ashley. And good move pulls out the astrology. Yeah. You're a Gemini. Yeah.

That got her. This is where I start to question these things, though. Because most of the time, and I know when Giselle was talking to Ed, she said, did you know I was going to be here? And he said, no, I had no idea. I didn't know what I was coming into. They always asked, do you know what the real housewives are? They always say no.

And we've questioned a couple of times. Like, you know. I think they're dudes that are like, I'm not telling people I watch these shows. Yeah, Waleigh was talking to Ashley and he went to a confessional. And it's like, did you know who she was? No, I didn't. I've never watched it before. It's like, yeah.

I don't believe you. Start talking about astrology. Like, it's right up her alley. Well, Craig, Craig didn't pull that one out because he's seen the show. Craig's just, I guess he was Jason that said it. I'm just stuck on Craig. Then Craig tries to piggyback. Yeah.

Then he throws astrology out there, too. And then I just like, ooh, a bunch of star guys. The whole fucking episode was astrology. What's wrong with that? Stupid. Well, let's check in with Luann who's talking to Adam. I thought these two were destined to be together after this whole thing. Adam went to Oxford, very smart man, very educated, overeducated, according to him.

Easy, bud. I know. Let's calm down, man. Let's relax a little bit. Okay. Overeducated. Is that what you said when you're spending all that money getting super educated? No.

No one's overeducated. And even Luan's like, that's dumb. Yeah. But she's intrigued. And they're vibing a little bit. You know, he just got back from Italy. He's hitting all the notes, right? He's educated.

He's worldly. He was talking about some shit. He was like, yeah, it's just lovely ladies walking around, rip it a cigarette. I'm crushing heaters. You don't know who Luan is? He's got to know who Luan is. There's no way to know. I'm just disappointed.

We don't get to see Luan like ripping heaters anymore. I know. Isn't it a bummer? Like she definitely, there was a point in this episode where I'm like, oh, she's definitely smoking. Going to have a SIG. And they didn't show it. I'm like, oh, man. Look, unfortunately, we've gotten to a time again where smoking looks cool, especially with Housewives.

Yeah. Not all smoking. Let me, Housewives smoking is cool again. Yes. Because of Doreet. I'll give her that one. Yeah. It's a cool picture.

So, yeah, I want to see Luann like ripping a heater. If Luann was walking out of the motel in Crappy Lake, just ripping a Marlboro Red. God, yeah. That would be framed right here. That would be sick. But anyway. as they're talking, because Craig rolls in, Craig just reckless abandoned, walks in, doesn't care what's going on, pulls the chair over as the way, and he's like, literally,

that was the most side-eye side I've ever seen, pulls up and he, to his credit, he's like, I didn't want to lose a chance to talk to that. This is all about. This is all about. I had no problems with this move. If this, look, if Craig was in that first wave of guys and he was floating around doing stuff, and then Ralph showed up and Ralph was Craig in this second wave and he did that, Luam would have stopped talking to James and started talking to Ralph. Ralph has a cooler shirt. Yeah.

Sick bod. Great bod. He's flexible. And he's flexy. Yep. You put those things together. What a man. What a guy.

What a guy. I have a crush of Rob. I need to get in line. Uh-huh. You can get line behind me, pal. Everybody wants a little Ralph. He's the new Captain Jason. He's the Captain Jason of Love Hotel.

But she thought that he was going to say, I didn't want to interrupt. Craig's response, I don't mind interrupting. You strike me as that kind of. person that just like rolls it and just starts talking immediately i also supported it i'm not against it is what this is about go interrupt i agree i'm not against it and especially with these guys who were only here for what was it like an hour maybe i think you probably get an hour to like float around and talk to everybody and see if they can win a favor yeah if you can find your wife in an hour crazy talk come on it's the love hotel how do i have a better theme song for this show is there a theme song

for the hotel i don't know i didn't listen but there should have been like a love I'm not going to do it. JKB could probably write one off the cuff. There you go. Get JKB to write a jingle for this show. He's too busy wrangling, Shannon. That's true. Yeah, we get to see.

Starting to see that. You're starting to see a little bit now. Yep, 100%. But meanwhile, Shannon is talking to James. They're both USC alums. They actually had some crossover there. James was the dark horse this episode. He kind of came out of nowhere.

But this is where it gets wacky. because Luann has this thing of sevens. We've seen it when she was on Roney. Like everything works in sevens for her. You know, she got married, divorce, blah, blah, blah. Works in sevens. As she says that, Adam's like seven, 1770. And she's like,

lo and behold, that's her dad's birthday. It's all sevens. She has a real reaction to this, gets up and runs back to her room crying because it hit her in the emotional spot. She was like, oh my God, this is wild. So in my head, I'm like, it's written in the stars. Got to pick them.

It's astrology. He's your man, right? Not how it plays out later, but that's what I thought. But let's get to Jason and Ashley. Jason was married a year ago, sorry, engaged a year ago, find out that he got cheated on. So they connect on that one as well because, you know, Ashley's on a firm, no cheating thing now. It's good. Good for you.

Yeah, that's how admirable of you. Yeah. Not that, I don't think she was cheating. Really putting herself out there out. Yeah, you know. But he does fit the age range because Ashley's trying to lean into more age-appropriate men, which I'm not here to tell you what to do. But given your track record and who you were with previous, maybe try it once. She's still trying it, I guess, because Jack Harlow is younger, I think.

Josh Harlow. Yeah, that's true. No, that's not age-appropriate. Yeah, you're right, actually. That's age-beloprient. Volope. How? Thank you. I actually really like that one. Thank you very much. I don't think she knows what the hell she wants, but also I don't think Ashley's really here to find. I think she's 100% here to have fun. Yeah, she's here to have fun. She's here to talk to as many people as possible until that becomes a problem later. But yeah, I like the sentiment. I do too. No cheating. Age appropriate. This is the new Ashley. Wow. That's actually should be the title of her book. That should be a lot better than it is. That should be her tagline. Yeah. No cheating. Age appropriate. But we get like a big. mix of everybody chit-chatting. Luan's talking to Ed. Ed's going to follow Luan

wherever she goes. Kind of creepy, but I get what you're trying to do. Shannon is talking to Adam. Adam's in relationship mode. And, uh, you know, Shannon has to clarify, I'm not into younger men. I'm not a cougar. What would your response to that be? Rar. That would be yours? Yeah. Okay, cool. So he's right on the money. Yeah, I thought Adam was right on that. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Well, Adam turned a lot of heads. All right. So Adam did a good, job you did i didn't see i didn't seem do enough to turn that many heads ralph didn't do a lot either that's a good point because i wrote down adam i do i do kind of similar i mean and i'm still got

him ralph ralph is much more handsome let's be real but jkb comes in uh with the ladies and this is why joselle's great she's like i i don't fucking like any of them yeah i don't want anybody uh craig that's when it's announced he's the space shuttle guy which i thought might get him a bump just because we're talking big money, maybe give him a second chance. That didn't happen. But let's get to the pick them. Then we find out before this that you don't have to pick

anybody. So, Jazeel didn't have to pick anyone. I wonder if they, they probably wouldn't have told you that. They probably would have just assumed that you would have picked somebody. Yeah, right. But Chazelle made such a big stink about it. And look, I'm on team Giselle for this one. Me too. You walk in there, you know one of the guys. Then you're looking around and you're like, I don't really like this. I think that ruined it. It kind

of ruined the whole thing for me. I already picked mine before. It took me a little while to get there. I'm not even big on Jay. She manipulated everybody else to make sure that she got her three choices. She can figure it out. So, yeah, she wants no parts of this. JKB caught off guard.

Well, you don't have to. Don't pick anyone then, I guess. They're not going to force you. And she doesn't pick anyone. Luann picks Adam. Adam was surprised because after I made her cry, I thought it'd be out. Fair. Ashley picks Jason with a very awkward no hug, hand to the shoulder touch.

I mean, like that. I didn't either. We didn't care for that. Shannon picked James, but she wanted to pick Adam, which is ironic because of what happens later. I'm going to save it. I know you're all waiting on pins and needles. We'll get there. Don't you worry.

All the guys leave. They're upset. Ian's a big sore loser. It's like, this is the most bizarre thing I've ever been a part of. No shit, dude. What did you think this was going to be? You just flew to a hotel for one night called Love Hotel. There's no way they're going back home.

Like, they just go to a different part of the resort, hang out for a couple days. You got to stay. You got to stay at that point. You can't go in a little. now unless you're JT Craig's reason should have picked a different shirt the red didn't do it

red didn't do it for him yeah that was the reason just a little more dapper next time you got this one Craig that's kind of my thing if you've got one shot here wear a suit or walk in like Phil yeah but it's not everyone can pull off everybody can pull that off I mean look Earl of Pearl got selected and he had alligator shoes on so yeah that's a statement yeah whether they land or not it's a statement you're making a statement

with alligator shoes you're walking with your gators you need more Craig I'm bummed that we're not going to get more Craig I hope we do yeah I don't sneak him in there no one's gonna notice what if he's like an assistant to JKB that would be awesome that'd be fun yeah I'd be down for that quips and he just like interrupts

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Shannon's on the struggle bus. Walee's not talking to any dudes. I actually, I like this move. You're there for one reason. I hate this move, actually. I can't stand this move. Because,

and this is the thing, too, because at the end of the episode, when we're walking around and everybody's, like, kind of mingling here and there, they walk into rooms and there's just dudes hanging out. Yeah, it's just dudes.

Always being boys, hanging out, drinking some wine, sitting in Mexico, enjoying the weather. I love that. I love. Go enjoy yourself. while A is way too dead set.

At first, I'm like, all right, good move. I think Ashley's actually going to like that. I wasn't like that until the end of this episode. Yeah, before that, I'm like, all right, that's actually a good move. I think Ashley's going to appreciate that, you know, she's the only one you've got your eye on. She's going to love that you're committing to her for the most part. And maybe she wouldn't actually now that I say it out loud. But still, that was a good strategy.

You took it too far. Now you're not interacting with any of the guys. You're getting creepy. It's getting too overbearing. Yeah, exactly. exactly but Ashley as she's

instructing this yoga class takes a peek over at Ralph he's flexible and meaty that boy meaty yeah he's flexible and meaty big boy that can flex Ashley's into it once again Ralph

I mean Ralph is everyone's first choice quite clearly he's my first choice yeah me too but we get to drinks then Ashley's talking to Jason while Wale just like looks on sitting by himself rule number whatever don't draw attention to yourself in a negative way that's what he's doing right now it's not a good look Waleh and unfortunately for him Jason's like still a bit lighter you know it's a little bit easier to talk a little bit funnier and crack a joke here and there I think Jason understands this episode showed that there's some depth here oh yeah to the show yeah we get like some strategies we get some talking about

personality trauma tray yourself to the person that you're interested in versus other people when there's lower pressure there's a lot going on i agree it was a little bit more of a well-rounded reality show this time which i like i'm glad they can you know get the drama involved with it i'm glad they can have some of the things that we're used to seeing in a show like this because it could have easily been whatever how many episodes of just like silly fun goofy times i still do think this should be like a 27 long 27 minute episode oh you too this is a there's so much filler and unnecessary conversations i agree if this is a 30-minute run it would be a a little bit better but Ralph's talking to

Giselle and whof didn't see this coming love to see it though because they're hitting it off they're hitting it off and Ralph says you know I think this is the moment

this is smart and he knows what he's doing because they're talking about candles of candles I actually make my own candles like how embarrassing you know what you're doing you're not embarrassed

you look to be differently or anything but yeah you know look I don't have a lot of hobbies what is it candles and music, traveling the world. I mean, I'm not that interesting. Sitting there taking my shirt off, just making kids. Yeah, just popping a flex real quick.

It's not that deep, guys. I'm not that interesting. Side eye. It was, like, he's smooth. Yep. He's smooth. What I need to ask you, okay, because I'm confused. Giselle says he sounds like, you know, he's going to heat up some wax, pour it on you.

Uh-huh. Yep. And lick it off. Yeah. so who's licking wax no idea who's out of your licking wax so what i know no king shaming we don't shaming no king shaming but that is um that's a dietary issue i would imagine for starters imagine how that would go through you not great not great i can't imagine it would feel great and also like that that's it look that's the fast lane to a burnt tongue yeah what are we talking

about here don't lick wax no i feel like we shouldn't have to give this PSA it's still like wet too it would stick to your tongue wouldn't it that's what i mean so it would burn and then it would like in case your tongue and now you got that weirdly reminds me of a simpson's episode when homer's doing the hot pepper challenge he drinks a bunch of wax yeah where the fuck did that i'm not sure where he pulled that one from i was going towards like the the boardwalk thing where you stick your hand in some waxed oh yeah yeah yeah totally that's what i had one of those wax hand did you yeah nice loser anyway we got to jay and shannon and look jay is loving this Shannon and Earl thing.

He's like every time I see you, it makes me smile. It's so lovely. And then Shannon doesn't know what to do because she's uncomfortable. And she says the same exact thing back. I love you and Giselle. Yeah. You're not paying attention to them. You're too busy focused on Ralph.

She did say in a confessional at some point along the way that she wanted to get to know Jay better. No J better for Giselle. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Maybe she is paying attention. Maybe I don't. I think she's trying to be supportive, but she's not paying attention. I think that's probably...

Shannon's got enough going on. I think that's more in line. But Adam and Luan are talking, and she obviously has to give the Countess recap. You know, this is what I did. I was in the aristocracy over there. I was meeting the king of England and, you know, Greece and this, that, and the other.

James, great dropping. Kind of saw you go, oh, uh, Grace Kelly. It's like, oh, no, she was gone by the time I was there. Oh, interesting, because my friend growing up was best friends with Grace Kelly. That perks the Wans' ears up. She's like, hmm, who is this man? I don't know.

ties to royalty, huh? Yeah, tell me more. But look, he's a lover. He's romantic. Once again, we get one of those where I was, it's eight years and then 24 years. So he's been married twice. But then that made, to me, it sounded like did you get divorced and marry the same woman? I thought that's what he did.

Yeah. That's kind of what I got from it. I was still very confused by it. Yeah, it was weird phrasing, probably intentionally. I didn't have to explain too much. But it was weird phrasing. But it turns out his wife of 24 years was fed up with him. I'm done with you.

Yeah. that sorry jason not a great start to try to meet somebody else but you know how you bring it all back how i love my life god how did that work i i don't know that worked it worked it did work because the way and reiterates it worked for me no me neither yeah me neither i'm not turned down as well during the confessional i know that's oh in that moment no kink shaming no king shaming i don't think that's a kink it falls in the same category as the wax a three-sin with those two dudes No, him yelling, I love my life. Oh, that's not the kink, but he said, I love my life after it was inferred that there might be a threesome happening.

Oh, well, there's a lot of threesome stuff going on during this. This was the most, like... Astrology, brings up the threesome's out. Felt like is what's happening right now. Yeah. We'll get there very shortly. But you get Jay and Giselle, and Giselle's like, look, I'm not getting all of you, Jay. I'm definitely not because I'm talking to the people and they say, oh, Jay's this, Jay's that. I don't see it.

Where's it at? This is a good lesson for Jay, though. You know, because he's got a sight set on Giselle. If you are going to be a potential suitor for Giselle, you have to have the thickest skin. You can't be afraid to jib jab a little bit. I also don't think he handled this that well. I thought he handled like shit. You could have easily just said, look, I feel a little bit of pressure.

I get some butterflies in my tummy when I go to talk to you. I'm working on it, though. I'm opening up. I'm just afraid. Yeah, that would have been. I'll get there. Now you're vulnerable? You're vulnerable.

You're showing her that there is more to you. Other people have told her that. there's more to you, and you're doing it slowly. I'll get there. Instead of saying, relax, I'm doing it on my time. Yeah. I don't think that's going to land so well. Yeah, why don't you settle the fuck down for a second?

I don't you take a deep breath. Yeah. What the fuck? Coming in a little hot, Jay. A lot of people came in hot this episode. I don't know if there's the new. Tensions are boiling. Tensions are up.

I didn't expect that out of this show. I thought I was going to be very like, ha-ha. I thought that there would be a couple of like head butts here and there. Towards the end, maybe. Usually, and I don't know why, but I just immediately assume. that Luann probably pitted two guys against each other and they started headbutting. I'm sure.

That's not what's happening at all. No. It's guys losing their head over the game show. Right. This is part of the show. You're talking other guys. It's like they came on to the show and made one connection and they're like,

I'm in love. Yeah. Your mind now. Dibs. That's what it's, it's giving dibs. Or before they got to the show, they knew who was going to be on there and they picked.

More than like. Like, this is my woman. And then come to find out. perhaps not sir but yeah like the way he says just to go back real quick yeah because shannon likes me is what he said to her it's like all right insecure much right just tough looks jay tough looks you're still trying to court her mm-hmm like i don't understand this approach at all that's what i'm saying it feels like they had one connection they're like you're mine now uh-huh that's the vibe i'm getting that's a weird possessive i got picked to sit around here and i'm gonna continue after you

Yeah. But you're mine. But you're mine now. I don't like it. You'll see it. I don't care for it. I'll make you laugh. Say something funny.

But JKB goes into check on Shannon. And this is even funnier of a scene knowing that probably a week from this, there is a drunken Instagram story in which he's wishing her and her children, I believe, to suffer. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty funny. But that's not funny. The timing's funny. Yeah.

So was the timing of that phrase. Yeah, I can't help it. It's been, this episode two. Well, this is, during this and later in the episode, I'm like, this is kind of mean to throw Shadden into the show. I know. I don't think she was ready. It's like, we, timeline-wise, I'm sure this is right after they finished rapping. It's got to be close.

It's very close. We watched how vulnerable she was. She's still showing people pictures. And, like, there is an open-up aspect where it's like, she's opening up aspect where it's like, she's opening up. up she's owning up to the things that she did and she's like look at a year i'm finally in a better place i can look back it's a big deal but it's still very fresh yeah emotions are way too untethered so throwing her into this mix and every single confessional she's like i've never done this i'm a relationship girl i don't date multiple people it's fucking with her psyche yeah and she's

going down a bad path well like you should there's no reason that any of these dudes should bring you to tears, right? There's no reason that three episodes in JKB should have a sit down with Shannon to make sure she's okay. I mean, actually, there shouldn't be. I'm glad there was. But like, that shouldn't have to happen.

Before the season, it's not like, all right, we're going to have JKB go sit down with everybody and see how things are going. No, this was an emergency. This was like, are you good? Hey, everybody else is out there talking to the guys and like doing the show and having fun. Are you okay?

You're up here, complete shut in, staying away from everybody. What's going on? Yeah. Like, this was an emergency check-in. It was a good pep talk, though. Yeah. You know, because she's like, I know I'm no prize, and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, fuck that noise.

And I agree. Like that, don't say that about yourself. That's not very nice. But I think he agrees now, but. Well, now it's a different story. And we've seen the stories from him. So, yeah, look, is what it is. But we get back to Jay.

And he's still sitting in the same spot with Giselle. But now I got Wale there. Phil joined as well. And, you know, you're different around other people. while he's got his back it's like look it takes time for different people to show uh to do it their way exactly i was like all right jay yeah combelle a fucking breather dude joselle's messy as shit and i love it yeah i love it because this and this might be what ramped it up for wallace like he may have heard this and this changed his whole entire because he's already threatened by jason right

you see this guy coming in yep like hmm don't love that and Then he hears this when I was like, yeah, Ashley said you're not funny. I was like, damn. Not like you don't make me laugh. Not the same thing that we're hearing about Jay where he's funnier with other people. You're not funny. You're not funny. Hard stop.

Yeah. And I think that fucked him up a little bit because in his confession he's like, it's like, what the? Like, I'm really funny. She's not saying the right things. Like, I don't know. He went in. He's not setting me up for jokes. He went into a tizzy.

Yeah. That was a full-blown tizzy. Definitely did. Yep. But let's get to dinner with astrology. Once again, if you're trying. trying to take notes on this show. It's very difficult to do it scene by scene.

But we're going to do our best to get through this one as well. Ralph, the glasses look great. They did. They looked phenomenal. And you know what? It's even better at the line he gave back to Giselle. Well, yeah, but the moon behind you right now is just fantastic. Oh, I thought you were going to say the line of like, hey, you can't just come out with

all the props, they won't. That too. But then he slammed it home with the moon. It's great. He's good. He's good. You're good, Jew. but Wale and Ashley are talking and it's like the tone the feeling I feel it's tense

I don't like it and he brings up the funny comment she's like well look I haven't laughed as much as I would like to and he's like because you're spending time with other guys I'm like oh no you're done you're out fucking I couldn't help the laugh of that one me too it was so funny like taking this show that seriously is crazy unless like yes agree there's no unless Like, I just don't understand. Like, did you literally fall in love at first sight? He did. The name of the show, Love Hotel, is for these women to bop around and meet a guy.

There's, it's night one you made a connection. Doesn't mean she's not going to bop. It actually would have been better if you had said that and looked around and said, you know what? All right. I'll go talk to Luann. You're right. And then go walk around the table and put your arm because you know what else.

Ashley would like that. Yeah. She'd be like, ooh, competition. Yep. Immediately. Instead, he plays her puppy dog. These guys lost their heads between Jay and Walee. They did not know what the fuck was going on.

No. This is the whole point of the show and the game is for them to go talk, and it's also for you to go talk. You guys pigeonholed yourselves, said that you were going to go after one woman, stayed after that woman, now she's playing the game and you're but hurt. And you're trying to make her feel bad. Yeah. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Weird gameplay. It doesn't hurt well for a future relationship. It certainly, certainly. Sure. It doesn't. Oh, it's a connery episode. Oh, yeah. Or money printing.

Where was I? Shannon and Earl. This was banana land. This whole interaction was wild. First of all, first and foremost, adults that don't eat vegetables is fucking weird. Also, adults that don't eat vegetables that are very boisterous about it. Yeah. I get, I understand, like, you live your life some way.

And if you're, you know, in your 60s and you've done this your whole life. and people try to question it. How are you still alive with no vegetables? No idea. But he's sitting there and he's like, what's the problem there? I don't even know why this is on the menu. Why would she give this to me? I don't eat vegetables.

You know what else? What? You know what else is good pizza? I'm like, oh, what are you five? Yes. Like chicken tenderers. He's still alive. I know.

You have to have vegetables. It's wild to me. That's a thing. A lot of people don't eat veggies. I don't get it. I know a lot of people that don't eat vegetables or rather like they don't like them or whatever it might be i've never seen somebody that adamant about it and like no i don't eat i eat pizza yeah pizza okay and he responds to her and like this is the other side of it

her response to him like you guys just fucking met and he's like why do you always look at me like you're gonna slap me and she's just kind of taken aback this this goes in such a weird direction before that though i agree with wale a little bit here but he can't be but hurt about this because of the setup of the show. He's like, it feels like I'm plan B pretty much. Like I, if all else fails, while A's there. Well, you kind of

put yourself in that spot because you refuse to talk to anybody else. You're not talking to even the guys there. Her whole thing is to go meet people. I mean, he was upset when she was talking to Nicholas. I know. It's like, the fact that you even saw that guy as a threat probably turned her off. Well, the fact,

I mean, the end of the episode, he is, he's lost. Yeah. With that revelation. Like, he doesn't even know which way is up at this point. But Phil's talking to Shannon now, which I like that she's mixing up with Phil talking to him. He lives in Bel Air Crest. I don't know where that is. It sounds fancy. Sure.

Doesn't it? Yeah. I live in the Bel Air Crest. I think that's the Gated community you were talking about. I don't know. Probably. I have no idea. I thought it was a location in Belair.

Close to the valley. Is it? That's what they said. All L.A. is close to the valley. We did this. Yeah, I know. But that's what Shannon said. She's like, yeah, it's close to the valley.

You can get over to downtown, or the west side of L.A. That's what he loves about it. He's like, I love that. You can ride a bike in my neighborhood, then bopped down to the city. We learned not supposed to go downtown L.A. You know who's not an L.A. person? Earl. He's never heard of California.

He doesn't want to talk about it, actually. But my whole thing with this, okay, the way he was sitting didn't seem abrasive to me. Nope. It felt to me like he was just sitting and listening because he doesn't have anything to contribute to the conversation. And it felt strange to me that Shannon in, in some, about patronizing tone. I was like,

you can contribute Earl. You're sitting there silently. I was like, it's weird. This was the opposite of what we've seen from the others. The others with Wale and Jay realizing that it's a game show

and not knowing what to do and losing their heads about them, he's crazy. Shannon still doesn't know what the fuck this is. No. I'm fully convinced that Shannon thinks

that her and Earl are together dating. She's having an innocuous conversation with Phil. And she's like, hey, chime in. Yeah, say, Say something.

Say something. With a sweetie after this, too. I know it was bizarre. It's like, what the fuck's going on here? It's bizarre. But that's what it struck me as was like, this is my significant other and he's not chiming in.

Like, if we're at a party and we're socializing, I need you to chime in. Like, you guys aren't dating. No, and also you're being, you're being weirdly rude. I thought it was rude to Earl. Yeah. Am I wrong?

No, no, you're not wrong at all. Okay. I don't think he had anything to say because he knows nothing of L.A. And he's like, yeah, whatever. But then, you know, Phil. He's letting her talk. She came at him about the vegetables thing because her reaction was a lot. Like, I, I, it's pretty valid, but it was a lot.

It is, but she's like, you don't even, like, again, like they'd been dating for 10 years and she's like, what the fuck, girl? That was weird. And then this one was really weird. And he's like, why are you being so critical? It's a valid question. This is actually, it's kind of funny, too, because it's like a case study of people in their 60s who have dated and married and have, like, past trauma. They just see their wives and husbands in this person. I've done this.

And Shannon even said that, Shannon's like, I've been through a lot of relationships where this is, this tends to happen or I do something and then they get mad at me and then I have to pay for it later. It's like, that really fucking sucks, Shannon. You're putting that on a guy that you met two days ago. Yeah. Earl, I saw my ex and you when you turned around and started criticizing me about not eating vegetables. I saw my ex in you. It's like, figure it out, guys. I know.

It's pretty. You don't be on this show, actually. They're not ready for this show. But I thought that in this moment, Shannon was being rude to him. And I love that Phil sees an opportunity. He's like, yeah, come on. Earl. I'm like, damn, Phil, that's messy. Why don't you stay out of this, Phil?

Yeah, fuck you, Phil. This is between me and my wife. I actually love Phil. Phil. Phil's just floating around. He can pop up in any conversation. He's great. Everybody kind of likes them, too, and he doesn't, he's not anybody's plan A, but he does have enough going on with, I would say Luanne, Giselle, and Chatton. He's safer

than the front runners because he's going to float by, but he's still going to be there. He'll get a key every time, especially if Giselle gets to carry over a key. They're like, oh, Phil. He's like, ah, Phil's great. Come on. He's got to stay there until the end and then make a move i think he's playing it right yep quick check in with waleigh and ashley not going well you just you just met you just met and he's like whatever you're feeling like you're not all in she's like look i've done this before i'm trying to not dive in because

usually i'm a diver in her yep not verbatim but that's what i took from it i think maybe given that we just met we need to let this breathe for a second Okay, settle the fuck down. Take a breath. Relax. Not that deep. You don't want to like me. You're doing things to sever this.

You're done, right? She wasn't, but she is now. Now she's got to run. Now you've got to go. Why are you being so... I got Jason's there. Right? Exactly.

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leniency here Because when they start talking You know And they seem to have had deep conversations But she's like you want kids I don't want kids He's like all right Like where's this been

Like can we talk about the stuff that you do and don't want because up until this point, I guess it was all face value. Like, this is what I want out of this conversation. Do you deserve that? No, you just met. If she wants to talk to you about it, that's one thing. But, like, I don't think it's that deep at this moment.

And I think that you burned yourself now. Yeah. Like, he does have a, the one saving grace is that it's Ashley. Yeah. And she is weird and will probably pick him again. She'll end up, like, ruminating on that conversation and be like, uh. You know what I took from that? Something that nobody else did.

Oh, you know what? I'm going to give him a second chance because it seems like he, He really cares. Yeah, something like that. He's in line with his emotions. He's letting me see what he actually feels. He's mad, which means he wants to fight for me. I like that.

Yeah, that's, yeah, she'll spin it in some way. She's going to figure it out. Yeah, I agree with that. But back to Earl and Shannon. They're talking on the side. And, uh, you know, she's like, I'm sorry. It's just vegetables are really important. I'm from California.

That all these vegetables are important for everybody. Like, that's, it's just crazy talk. I love the cheat to hide in the L.A. too. She's like, and I know you don't like it, but like everybody in L.A. eats vegetables. Okay. She's, it's just, it's such a wacky fucking conversation. It's crazy, dude.

And it's like, I'm sorry if your feelings got hurt, like, why not speak up? And he's like, it's a dinner party, sweetie. This is the most bizarre, like, I don't like it. It's making me feel weird kind of conversation that I've seen. Like, this is too much, too fast.

You guys are clearly projecting your exes on each other. Both of you, by the way. And Shannon's reaction to all of it, at the end, I was like, well, it wasn't like that. That's not what happened. No. But anyway. She interrupted Luann smoking a cig, yeah. Yeah, what the fuck? We need to see that. But they keep going back and forth. They're both upset. And he goes through his spiel, like, all of a sudden, my partner's angry at me and, like, we're both avoiding landmines. And a few things you said reminded me my first wife. You were critical of me. And then more or less, he says, you're critical, then he gaslit me.

Which is what my ex did, which she did do. So I agreed with him there a little bit. And then Shannon's like, I don't know how this is so fucking serious. I feel like I was getting to know you and I don't even know who you are. And then storms off. I literally wrote down, ha, ha, ha, ha. They're going to come together next episode again. I would imagine.

Yeah. There's at least one more shot here. I did not think we were going to get a toxic relationship out of their show. This fast is crazy talk. That's my point. Watching the scene, I was like, it's not this serious guys. I also love old people toxic relationship. Oh, yeah, it's crazy.

It's fucking funniest shit to watch. Like, what is going on right now? Like, you would think that at this point, you'd be like, this isn't worth it. Yeah. You know, but no. You're reminding me of my ex-wife of 30 years. Maybe don't date her then. Maybe there's your sign.

This is not the right woman. I find some comfortability in that because I was there for so, long. She did that to me for 30 straight years. Bad. Yeah. Not good.

Not good. But we get to the astrologist finally. Thank God. Yeah. And it's James, Adam, and Luan. She's got a 15th moon

in the Sagittarius Mansion next to the Gemini horse. So she gets bored easily. Yeah. Totally. James. My God. Do you feel the energy

with three signs? pardon me yeah is he lobbying for a threesome i think he was lobbying for a threesome for a second i thought he was hitting on the astrologer nope no no this had to do it for a threesome adam louan and himself again no king shaming that's what i said earlier yep this felt like a real moment where it's like ha ha just kidding right unless you're into less adam how you feeling how many keys do you have do you need another drink why not adam why don't we go talk the bar for a second and try to wheel and deal. I don't know.

It was very real, it felt like. It was an interesting thing. But meanwhile, Ralph and Giselle are talking. This is why Ralph is great. No bullshit. Should I pursue you? It's a good move. But here's the thing.

If another dude tried that, it wouldn't land the same. No. But Ralph. But if another dude tried that with with Giselle, she would have said, maybe not. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, I'm good. No thanks. You have your eye on.

Yeah, I'll help. Yeah. Exactly. I'll be your wingman, is what she would have said. When Ralph says it, it's like, ooh, I'm right forward. I like this, Ralph. Me too. And she's intrigued. He's intrigued. He is all in on Giselle. Yep.

Love that. I love this duo. I think they're going to be great. I'm excited. I do, but I don't. I kind of want Ralph to just be the eye candy of everybody. Yeah, I get that. We could still get that very easily, but I want him to be the floater. Like, he gets picked every week. Can't have two. That's Phil. Phil's a fun floater. Ralph is like he could end up with anyone. Phil will get to the very end,

but he won't get picked by anyone. Probably. Ralph will end and then there's like Luann, Giselle, and Ashley are going to be like, I want Ralph. Yeah, probably. He still could. He could go up to any of them and be like,

me and you, we're going to talk. And they'd be like, hell yeah. But now you get Shannon and Luan and they're talking and Ashley joins as well. And Shannon puts all of it on Earl. and goes through the whole thing and I was like,

I don't know this is what I saw exactly because the way that she makes it seem is though Earl just started yelling at her about vegetables and then Earl started yelling at her about California and then all of the things that transpired was just Earl berating her. Yeah. That's not what I witnessed. Not what I saw.

There was definitely back and forth. You know, Phil in for a third part? Yeah, we honestly, Phil should have came over to clarify. Yeah. I saw back and forth. I saw weird moments from Shannon. I saw weird moments from Earl. But the way that she does it is like, Earl is the biggest piece of shit on the planet.

I do think that they need to separate? Absolutely. Get away from each other now? She's going to burn Earl out of the house. Uh-huh. Now he's got a shot with nobody. Yeah. And I don't think that that's, I'm not saying he's a good dude.

That's how the game works. Yeah, I guess. I guess, yeah. Whatever happens. But Luanne thinks that Shannon's too sophisticated for Earl. That might be true. That might, there might be some merit to that one. It would just be the snooty L.A. thing, but yeah.

Yeah, perhaps. But. No shade to our L.A. listeners, I love you. But let's get to James Adam and Lou again. This is where it starts getting all interesting, because James takes off the shoe and says, but you don't stop there. You got a massage.

Foot massage by James. I skipped. Did you really? Yeah, 10 second forward. This is why you missed the whole thing. Did you see them talking? Yeah, I saw them talking, but I skip through the foot massage. That's fair.

I get that. Now, feet grossed me out. But now they're all snuggled up together. Yeah, I know. yeah the funniest fucking part because i'm sitting there going wow this might actually happen james is all in louan look she's down for a fun time i'm not saying she's in i'm not saying she's not adam i'm pretty uncomfortable yeah like okay good all right somebody somebody feels awkward somebody's got some sense about because i'm uncomfortable at home yeah so that makes more sense now again

no king shaming if you want to do what you want to do go do what you want to do it just it felt a little strange all the ladies go to shannon's room to check on her there's no answer at the door and you know she's unraveling because of Earl and she's crying and I'm glad somebody says it and I think it was Giselle or is Giselle Luann they don't know each other well enough for this which goes to show you what you said Shannon was not ready to be on this show

mentally emotionally like this is not responsible as a cast honestly to throw her in there I agree because it's not like the moments you get like especially this one like she it's a year after D.E.I it's like really fucking serious. is she's very introspective about the whole thing. She can't look at this show the way the other three are.

No. Like, ha, ha, fun. This isn't just a fun time. Like, she's been since day one. I've never done this. I'm going to have a really hard time with this. And she's had a very hard time with it.

Well, she's taking it way too seriously. Like, she's actually here trying to find love instead of being like, oh, fuck it. This will be fun for a week or two. So I agree with you. I don't think that she was the right selection for this just because of where she's at. But the ladies come up with a plan.

Louan's like, look, I got my pick of the litter. He's like, who do you want? She's like, you know what? She can take Adam. Just send Adam her way. I'm into James now. Yeah. So Adam is going to take the role of Earl potentially.

Earl's going to be heartbroken is what it is. The show ends with Ashley and Jason finally sitting down, having some line about to, you know, have some real conversations. We have to get into a little bit. Shannon kicks the metaphorical door down because there is no door and walks in the bar in her pajamas. And then Jason reads the room He's like, I'm going to bounce I'll see you ladies later And that's when you get actually a sentimental moment

Tough move too Because it's like I kind of want to make Some sort of a connection here Maybe he caught wind of the Wally stuff earlier And he's like you know what I'm probably fine I think that's also It looks good on him to one respect your space

And two go It's not 1159 But then he says something weird Yeah I don't know what the hell The although 1159 thing was about Shannon Shannon's DUI I understand that But he should have said, like, congrats or like you did it.

Or instead he's like, I can't remember what he said, but I was like, oh, that's an interesting thing to say. Yeah, and then he just bounced. He just walked away. And then Ashley, you know, talks to Shannon, settles her down a little bit. She wants to take a selfie at memorandum of this day. I thought that was cool. You know, she took a selfie year before, selfie this year. Look at the difference.

Lighting's not good enough. Nope. I don't think that's the point. No. Ashley's like, hold on. But at the end of the evening, Ashley goes to check in. this is where I was like, oh, well, he still does have a chance because she gives him a little, like, neck hug

from behind and says, you're working out tomorrow. He's like, I sure am. Wild card. Love a wild card. Ralph checks in with her. Fucking Ralph, man. He's too smooth for the other guys. Fucking slides in.

How are you feeling? How are you doing, Ashley? Take notes, boys. It's simple. Just how are you doing? Yep. It's tough. You know, I got two great guys here.

To be honest with you, Ralph, I was into you. but I let you and Giselle figure it out and he's like I never got that memo she leaves Waleigh his confidence is gone forever he will never recover from this he can't

critical injury why Ashley would be interested in him and also a 60 year old man to which I counter have you seen Ralph have you seen Ralph have you listened to him dude it's just a number when it comes to Ralph exactly exactly he is like a fine wine yeah he gets better with age yep but yeah I don't think he's ever going to come back from that.

No, absolutely. And that's how the episode ends up, though, because he was shell-shocked. He was. He was rattled. Yeah. He was like, wait, pardon me? Yeah. Yeah.

So the one good thing is if there's a Giselle Ashley off, it'll be funny because Giselle's not going to take it too seriously. Yeah, exactly. Let's get to some questions if we have any. Oh, we got a few in here from our buddy Ryan Stoneman. Am I the only one who finds Shannon exhausting? She's not exhausting. I mean, I'm not going to, like, throw shade at you, your ride.

It's a lot because, again, I don't think she's in the right mental space for this show. But, yeah, I mean, I can see where you're coming from. Yeah. And the other one from Christine D. Philippus, after watching the episode, do you think Shannon should be dating right now? New. Not in this format. Dating, sure. I'm never going to tell somebody that you should be dating, especially, like, whatever.

Not like this, though. But like this, new. Especially on TV, because we're, like, seeing all of it. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, that's all we got over here. Well, look, I'm enamored by the Love Hotel. I do really enjoy it. It's an easy watch.

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