Bros & Shows - From First Class to Grab-Ass (NextGen NYC Full Recap S2E8)

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

What's up bros? Well it's certainly interesting to see BravoCon from a different perspective but what we're really impressed with is this cast's ability to make even something we already saw a lot of still kind of interesting and fun. While we're a little annoyed that things clearly happened in hotel rooms after filming that are pertinent to the story and entertainment; it's still such a good flow for a tv show that we're not that annoyed. Charlie says it'll take 4 more episodes to see Hudson do something stupid so that tells us we still have a good bit to get through in this long and strange Arianna/Charlie story Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I know I'm starting to say it every week. This is the best show on Bravo. You know why? You know how I know that to be true? How? Two weeks in a row. Nothing has really happened. And yet the episodes have been wildly entertaining because they're just fun people to watch on TV.

And as we always say, they actually hang out together. So it's actually authentic. Yeah. It crosses the boundary into real world social implications. Like you might actually not be friends with this person moving forward if they do something wrong. And you actually have to make amends for things that you do wrong sometimes, depending on who you are. But it will cause the friend group to go into a weird frenzy if you do something wrong.

And we like watching that. There is something very good about that and very real. So I think they just have to keep doing that. Don't bring in anybody else that we don't know. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellano. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight.

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Ah, God, I don't have it in me. I guess I'll just do a Las Vegas again. Yeah, that's kind of where I thought you were going to go. I was going to try to do BravoCon something, but I can't. Bravo Goots. Bravo Goots. Bravo Goots. Bravo, on.

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. It's a tough one. Yeah, this was funny. This was a, the episode they have. Okay, yeah, there we go. Yeah.

Let's call it that. That sounds scary. people showing up to that. They're dressed like me. Wait a minute. I don't have to put something together in Philly. I'm going to name it something better than that, but that if dude,

I don't think you know how much joy that would give me to see a bunch of people show up dressed like you would make my day. It would make my year. Yeah. You're going to get the wrong crowd for that one if you promoted at GooderCon though. Don't think those are people

that you want to do. interact with, yeah. But yeah, I mean, like you said, these episodes, this cast the way that it works, and because they're entertaining in their own right, the majority of them,

like nothing really goes on in this episode. This is funny. It was 30 minutes of them just talking about what BravoCon is and their expectations and how it actually went. And then we mostly focus on

what Shai says and Charlie getting booed at BravoCon. But it was 30 minutes of just discussing what BravoCon and seeing what happens. we know what Bravo caught is. Everybody who watches Bravo and has watched it for years, we know what it is,

but there is a charm to watching them show up, be nervous, not really know what to expect. Are there going to be fans there at 9 a.m? Or are we going to be able to just kind of skate through this thing? Are we celebrities? We have no idea. It was funny to watch. In terms of discussing it and recapping it, there's like two or three things that we actually have to talk about.

The rest of it was just kind of funny. It's fun watching this group walk through things. I agree. I think there's a level of what's the word? It's endearing to watch them in these situations because we've watched them in season one and especially early this season when they have events and things like that.

They do have an air about them that it's like, oh yeah, like this is just, this happens all the time, right? Oh, we have my collab with this, collab with that. It was endearing to see them go to BravoCon and they did seem a little bit like,

ooh shit, like big moment. Even though Charlie's trying to be like, it's Bravo. like I don't care. I think he cares a lot. I'm actually starting to get an insight into Charlie, I think, which is, and he's great for TV.

I have nothing bad to say about him as far as a reality TV star goes. But yeah, it was cool to see, especially comparing this to all of the other shows we watch where, you know, BravoCon is kind of just a drop in the bucket for a lot of these Bravo Lebs. They don't make that big a deal out of it, or they act like it's just whatever to see this group kind of, the moment got bigger than them,

that was actually a cool thing to see because we don't get that a lot on reality shows. Yeah, no, we really don't. And something we've been talking about pretty much this whole season is, for the most part, obviously Ariad is very included. The most part for this cast, they're not Bravo kids,

they're not the children of Bravo people. They have truly no idea what the hell's going on or what they get themselves into, which is very funny to watch. And they're also the best people on this cast. Like we look at everybody else. It's like, Riley, I don't really know what's going on with you. Seems like something's going on.

And maybe it has something to do with Candy and Todd. I don't know. But she's not really clocking in. Brooks is boring. He's a nice guy. He's just boring as shit. You should be on TV, by the way. Yeah, this was, I feel like the final day on the coffin for that one where I'm like,

maybe you have a little bit of your mom in there and you can kind of wake up and just jump into something. I don't think you can. I mean, somebody calls you out on stage at BravoCon. You're supposed to be the person on the show. like, oh, I've been to BravoCon before. I can show you guys what's going on. Somebody calls you, someone like shy called you out on stage and you've got nothing.

You have no smoke, nothing to go. I don't know what he's doing here. The rest of them are the most entertaining factor of this show. There's so much going on, even currently, there's so much going on. They already did the reunion, I believe, a couple of weeks ago, which is kind of a shame because I don't think that the Ariana and Charlie stuff really came out. Now, as we watch in this episode particularly, they already knew about it. And obviously, Ariana is talking about it.

Charlie's talking about the rest of the cast is sitting at that table at the end of the episode, all talking about it. So they know something happened and we'll get into that. It's curious to see if fucking Hudson shows up to the reunion. I doubt he will. But he was on the seating chart at the very end. So I don't know what the hell is happening here. But again, another episode where he just checks in on FaceTime.

It's like, get off the show. We're done with you. I don't even care. Even if he gets back with Ariana, he shouldn't be on the show. I agree. And especially when you chalk it up to, all right, you're giving a vibe as the spoiled rich kid. And you're giving the vibe now that you're bigger and better than the show where you can be like, oh, I'll just call in.

I'll just phone a friend and like that. That'll count my time on screen. I hope Bravo drops the hammer. I hope they're like, I don't know who the fuck you think you are, but we don't care about your Zachs fees money. Go fuck yourself. Because he does think that he's bigger and better than he needs a reality check, no pun intended. but I agree like the my favorite characters on this show

other than Arianna because she's obviously a Bravo kid and I think she's stellar I think Gia is is finding her way too I had a little yeah I had some issues whether early this season specifically but she seems to be kind of figuring out her role in the show which I appreciate although the conversation with her and her boyfriend where he's like I just don't know I these cameras and stuff he says that and the first thing that we see in the beginning of this episode is him

coming out. He's there, I don't know what these cameras, but he comes out of the shower, like shirt off, walking in front of the caverns. Come on. I don't know. Take a lane. Pick a lane. You're going to figure this one out. That was tough. That was a tough seat, especially because she tries to frame it in a totally different way. And if he had any foresight, he would have taken the bait and not somebody said, but you can tell that Gia is kind of having a moment, right? She's stepping into her own reality career. She's excited about it. She even says, like, I did not have a miserable childhood growing up in reality TV, despite her parents going to jail. She still is like,

this has been a good experience. I'm excited for my time in the spotlight. And when she's talking to Christian, she's like, what was the coolest part of this thing? And before she can say coolest, she's like, I don't know. It's like take a picture of fans in different places. I was like, oh, no. Oh, no, Christian. It's just completely off base, buddy. You don't know where the hell you are. But, yeah, let's just hop into whatever we can for this episode and try to navigate our way through. I know we're going to jump around.

Yeah, for sure. And we start out with the BravoCon of it all. Everyone's getting ready for BravoCon. And you've got Charlie stuff kind of came to a head just as far as, you know, where he stands. The Mira. The mirror's not even mad at him. It doesn't seem like it seems like Charlie just has that charm where he's able to skate by. Georgia seems to be more in the hot seat than Charlie at this juncture.

But everyone's arriving. Rowan is not there because she's in New York still writing her screenplay. And the big thing, as we've been setting up for a few weeks now, is the Charlie Ariana thing. Is that going to be a thing? What's going on? And, you know, she's laying it on pretty thick. Like, I wouldn't touch Charlie with a 10 foot pole and blah, blah, blah. On Charlie's side, he's like, someone asks him, are you pursuing her?

She's definitely being pursued. I put it that way. See, it's funny too because I've seen that clip before. I saw the clip before the season even started because it's from BravoCon. And everybody just took that and ran with it. Like, oh, she's, she's hooking up with Charlie or Charlie's trying to hook up with her. I took it as she's being pursued. I can't let you in on what's going on this season because my, uh, my producers and everybody

else in my ear told me that I can't spoil too much. But she's being pursued. We didn't know about Liam when he was talking about that. We didn't know that her and Liam had been talking for a while or what was going on there. So I actually think that's a pretty good veteran move by Charlie saying that. No, look, he's good. He's, he's camera ready. And I think that's because he's shady as fuck in his real life.

So he knows how to play Kate really well. But he's good on camera. But Liam, he stayed back because he had his movie festival thing and he facetimes Ariana. And, you know, he's got her all this stuff. And he's like, oh, I'm so excited for you. You got to crush it. And he's it. I really like Liam, as you know.

I'm wondering if the reality TV factor of Ariana's life, this is not a knock on her by any means. But I think he's too safe. I think he's just simply too safe. He's not fun enough. He seems too nice. Now, look, I say too nice in the sense of pretty much what he says later before the whole friend's giving thing.

He's like, hey, any allergies, anyone? Like, that's just such a nice guy move. I have no issues with him. Yeah, I agree. I have no issues with him, and I think he might actually be that nice. But nice guys on reality TV don't last that long. And if they do last long, eventually they get pulled into the shit. So that would be very entertaining.

I would like to see Liam actually get pulled into the shit to see how he gets involved, like whether Charlie brings him into it or Hudson brings him into it, whatever ends up happening, is going to be very interesting to watch because the fucking boundaries conversation that we see later is ridiculous. again it was ridiculous the first time it's even more ridiculous now somehow but i want to see who leum is in that moment because up until now it's just he seems like the nicest guy in the world yes he may have friends owned kendall and it's very heartbreaking to watch her walk in after he gets off face time with ariana i feel like you know you're being very secretive with ariana and everybody else that you've been dating you tell me everything about them you give me the full 15 minutes

but now i'm not hearing anything about ariana what's going on there and he's just smiling I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, we're just taking it slow. It's a slower burn. We're figuring things out. And Kendall's just squirming in her seat. I don't want to hear about this, but I need to hear about it so I can stay close to you, but I don't want to hear about it. And even the flashback to the week prior, the night prior probably for the premiere.

And she's just answering for him and going through. And it's like, oh, I feel bad for you. I feel terrible, especially when he's like, you need to find a man so we can double date. I was like, oh, no. Don't say that. He doesn't want a man. She wants you, dude. How do you not see this?

You see him like a smart guy. He's probably convinced himself, like in the back mistake. He's like, oh, no, she's just like a super close friend. She's totally fine with the setup too. She loves being just my friend and hearing about all the girls that I'm falling for. Those questions at the reunion are going to be tough too. Because you know they're coming. Somebody like Becky in New York is going to send something in like, hey, Liam, how do you, how do you feel?

I don't know. I was the first thing in my head. Hey, Liam, how do you feel about Kendall? who's so desperately in love with you but won't leave your side because she needs to know what's going on in your life. He's going to be like, we're just really good friends. Oh, man.

That's my sister. She's like a sister to me. It's going to be the final knife in her heart. And maybe she'll finally leave him. But yeah, I literally every time she shows up, I write oof in my notes. It's just oof, yeah. Yeah.

But next gen wins the Bravo rookie of the year award. I forgot that Crappins moderated that panel. Well, yeah, they moderated that panel. But also they should have had a disclaimer before this episode because, whoa, West. Oh, dude, yeah. What's he doing here? Why would they show that?

I mean, just do the voiceover. Like, yes, astute people would be like, oh, that was definitely West giving them the award or the people that watched the Bravos, which we did. But I don't remember it. That is fine, but showing him, what are we showing him on TV for? I don't want to see him. Because he introduced the rookie of the year category,

because I believe he won the year prior. Oh, you're saying we still shouldn't have shown him. I agree with you. I'm on your side. No, he's for the show anyway. So West didn't win shit. West doesn't. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I didn't know if there was an individual category on that one, rookie year. Not to my knowledge, or at least there wasn't last year. But again, I don't really remember a couple years ago. At the same time,

you don't have to show them. Just do the voice. Maybe to sort the voice a little bit. Yeah, let's do that. You know what they're doing. Oh, I know. They're just, they're going to start, you'll see, guys, they're going to slowly start putting him back into things.

You're going to slowly start seeing more of him. If you think that they're not going to try to follow through on that Ozark Summerhouse show with him, you're nuts. Yeah. Yeah, they don't care about good or bad press. They care about press and he's got a lot. Yeah, you're right. Just wait.

All right. Enough about West. Yeah. Good win. Very good win. They were up against some heavy hitters, too. Yeah. Up against Solo and everyone else.

everyone else that I was looking around that, but good for them. They got the win. It really means something to them. You know, Charlie made a reservation at a very cool, shanky Vegas club, of course, and everybody's shocked. Everybody's shocked. We're going around the room. I can't believe Charlie would do this for us.

What a gentleman. This is beautiful. Nice guy. He does. This is what he does. Exactly. He gets back in. He does things like this.

He has conversations at dinner that you guys don't really like, but then you look back and you're like, well, maybe he was right about a couple of things. maybe he doesn't say too bad of things. Maybe he's just telling the truth the whole time. Plus he got us that really nice reservation. That club night was really fun. This is another one of those things, though, because as we kind of shift through the whole night

and we're talking about everything, before we even get to the panel, because I think the panel was the next day, if I remember correctly, because they did the bravos like that first night. Yes, the panel was the following. But when they do this and they talk about it, it gives me bad feelings about other shows where we see this,

they're talking about the night before, spending a good time in the room and having fun. Show us more. I'm sorry. I know it. Maybe it's an invasion of privacy. Maybe it's a long day of filming. But show us.

If you're going to be filming in Vegas, you should have a moment at least an hour or so where they are filming and they're miced up in the room together. Because if there's 10 people in that room, there's so many conversations going on, they're getting real. They had a couple of drinks. That's where we should be watching. I don't want to hear about it the next morning.

I completely agree. Plus, they're in the midst of a season, you're filming at BravoCon. Give me a 3 a.m. at the blackjack table with like, Charlie and fucking Schwartz or something, just something random as shit or Lisa Barlow and, uh, shy would be,

oh my God, I would, I would love that. That's what a pair that you just came up with. I think shy said something in the after show. I didn't watch the after show for this episode, but the after show for this show is actually good. Uh,

but shy had made some sort of comment about chef. and hanging out with him and then said, like 50 years old or something and then had to apologize and saying, like, I'm so sorry, but like we'll hit the blackjack table soon. So those things happened.

Like, it's Bravo. It's within the network. I don't care. Usually we don't like the cameos, but it's Bravo con. You can show us the next gen cast hanging out with the Southern Charm guys.

That's a fun crossover that you never would imagine. That's cool for me. As long as it's like Kyle swooping down and trying to make out with Ava. I don't care. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, but, you know what?

Yeah, it's not going to, yeah, anyway. We get to see a little top golf. We love to watch our Bravo Lebs do anything athletic, Amira, solid swing. Oh, yeah. The other two, not so great, but we got some group chat movement. Charlie, back in the group chat. We also have added Liam and Rowan to the group chat. So the group chat has been a big thing in this show.

show. I really need one episode where we get the shadow government group chats, the split-offs and read those. If we're going to make the group chat thing, then we need to make the other group chats a thing. And then bring it to a head. Yeah, that needs to be involved in their contract,

especially for a show like this. Like, I don't care what the housewives are talking about their group chats or side group chats or anything like that. They end up saying it anyway on camera. This show, you know because they're younger, they've got shadow group chats. They've got things going on. Signed over in the contract. We got to see that.

There's got to be a smaller group chat where you're just talking a lot of shit on everybody. I want to see it. Show me everything. They've already referenced it. They've referenced it a couple of times. So yeah, we need to see those group chats for sure. But the Charlie charm, Charlie is charming his way through Vegas right now. You got Ariana being like, Charlie's really trying to change the outlook we have on him.

I'm like, guys, come on. I'm all for it, like from a show standpoint. Yeah, it's funny. But from like a real life standpoint, he fucks up every other episode. It's only been six episodes. And the speed in which he charms people again is fascinating. It's literally like he could say, fuck your dad to Brooks Marks. Your dad's the biggest loser on TV.

He's a house husband. How embarrassing. If he turned it on, I think he could have Brooks back in his corner in an episode. I think he easily could. I really think he easily could. And this is, Charlie is one of those guys that, and I know,

like we always talk about how young they are. They're not like super young. They're in their mid-20s, late 20s, some of them. He's like 30. I think he's 29. He's by 30 now.

But either way, Charlie is the guy that in like 10 years and you guys have some friends left, like your whole big group starts to fall apart. You got a couple of close friends. And you see someone else that reminds you, you get those like Vietnam flashbacks. Like, oh, Jesus.

Oh, I remember that guy. He ruined a couple of years down in New York. Yeah, you hear the name Charlie. Like, that's what they're hurling towards because you're not going to be friends with Charlie anymore. He's going to be involved in some pyramid scheme in his late 30s and you're going to see his name online and be like, oh, wow, that's not surprising. Sex with that guy.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what's going to happen. And you're going to get those terrible flashbacks and be like, oh, my God, I can't believe that I spent years of my life with that guy. That's where we're going towards. That's what we're getting towards. But right now, to watch it happen, especially from a third person perspective and just watching him easily move his way through the group and move his pawns around.

It's funny. It's just goddamn funny. Oh, that's the thing. He is 30 steps ahead of everybody in this group and he's not even planning things. No. It's just his natural charisma to be like, all right, well, I can manipulate this. I can do that. Here's the funny thing when it comes to him just to get deeper for a sec.

I agree with you. That's the route in which Charlie's going. Yeah. him, something sketchy going the wrong way. He's already been involved allegedly in this crypto torture thing, bad look. Bravo could save this kid. Bravo could give him a different career and different opportunity to not marry himself. What if that happened?

What if Bravo pulls Charlie out of the depths of some gross scheme and he just becomes a reality TV star? And he before goes prison. Some people are just built like that. I don't think there's anything they can really do. I mean, when I think about it, I know he's talking and we had like a few little discussions about this, him and Omar are going to open some weird bar and then that's going to end up in the news somewhere. They're going to burn their investors.

Yeah, no, no. I was thinking there's going to be like drug trafficking going through that bar. It's going to pop out and be like, hey, a new house. It has happened yet, so I don't think it's a legend. Yeah, I don't know. What's the rule on projecting? It's a prediction. It's a prediction mark.

Oh, there's prediction markets now. so it actually might, I might need to say allegedly. Well, either way, allegedly for the future, that's how I see things going. Like, oh, this cool club down in Soho, the dark side of things

that you didn't know what's going on here. And everybody who's been there is going to be like, of course I fucking knew. There's a bar here in Philly that is closed, open, closed open to some club. Every single time, it just shuts down. It's like, hey, there was drug trafficking going through that. Oh, yeah.

That's where they're going. That's exactly where they're going. Yep. Or that one in, uh, my favorite one by far is that seafood restaurant in Roxborough. Oh, yeah. A strip club. And it has like, they've renamed it.

They have changed owners. And then it just pops up as like a strip club again. Yep. They get busted. There's nothing they can do. Yeah, it's right by Delisandro. You probably heard of that famous cheese steak place. Well, right next to it, there is a, uh, a backdoor strip clip.

Uh, it's shut down currently. But yeah, that was funny. that was the best part did you see the flyers were you still living here when when the uh flyers came out no i don't think so philadelphia flowers there was flyers like stapled to telephone poles oh my god that was advertising the strip no it was advertising oh he's advertising yes yeah it was flyers was on facebook that's incredible that's awesome that was really funny what time to be alive from the parents behind law and order comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy.

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But anyway, I think it was during COVID. I think that's why they got away with it for Silver. But, um, Shy and Charlie. I, look, shy is harmless. I know that he irritates me. And I don't want to shit on like a 23-year-old kid all the time because I do think he's just trying to figure it out, 25, whatever. he is. But

he does not need to be hanging around to Charlie. Like the dad in me is like, hey son, that's a bad like, you know, he's going to fucking ruin you. The way things are going though, it's kind of interesting. This was not his intention whatsoever. And

we have that Riley conversation before we go to Vegas about acquaintances. In a weird way, his thing with more Brooks and Ava, but with Brooks and Ava and the modeling thing, talking to other people about it, getting involved with Charlie, sort of put him on the map on this show. Like he's gone from just kind of an afterthought to we're having full-length

conversations with him about his experience, about what's going on here. And then we're having more side conversations at dinners when he's there. And we're talking about what Shai's doing and what's happening with Brooks. He went from just being there and hanging around to someone involved. So in a weird way, it almost kind of worked out for him. I don't know if worked out is the right way to look at it. I mean, from my perspective, it did because it kind of put him a little bit more in the center. But I mean, he'll figure it out, I guess. At the very least, he's involved in the show.

That's a good point, actually, especially because last year, he was very much an afterthought. And he's almost taking center stage this year. Like, he's borderline the narrator. It's like him and Ariana kind of lead the way. So that is a good point. And maybe along this road, he'll kind of figure out how to stand in his own two feet and not lean on a Charlie. I'm just like, you can see how this is going to play out. Like, Charlie. is just setting up his pawns. He's going to use Shai for something. He's going to fucking bury him.

And then Shaz me like, I didn't see this coming. It's like, you should have. We all did. But I guess Shai caught a little vibe the night prior. He was getting a little vibe from Ava. So he turned on the moves. Hey, about a little nightcap in your room. Ava says, sure, no problem.

He goes up there. The way that Ava describes it made it a lot funnier. because they were sitting on opposite beds and he looks at me and just says, can I kiss you? And she said, ew, no. The opposite bed thing is so funny.

Because it also just shows you like he has no game. It's like I was sitting on the other bed across the room. And I asked her in the cuck chair. It's not really, yeah, I don't really think that's how that works. But, you know, maybe there was a vibe that you were trying to pick up.

Maybe you thought because she agreed for a night. cap in her room that that made sense. But it doesn't, you know, you kind of missed out of that one. But it's funny. He's still somehow, in a way, he's moved into a different territory where people are talking about him more. But again, it's more of like a, I don't

really know, he's not really, he's two-faced. He's hanging out with Charlie. I don't really know what to think about this guy. But they are talking about him more, but he still has that weird innocence factor where he has to ask her for a kiss. And her reaction wasn't like full repulsion, but it was,

like a oh dude no that's not the where did you get that vibe from what what's going on yeah not in a million years shy but thanks for coming to my room yeah but you do get to see his his naivete if you will just with you know he's like well i shouldn't have said anything to charlie but he's my boy he won't tell like you can't clock people turn it turns it turns right that's the funny thing is like that could if it was interesting enough it could have been something we talk about in like six weeks but Instead, it's like, ah, fucking, I'll just throw it out right now. Why not? Let's just see how it goes.

Yeah, Charlie doesn't hold on to anything. He immediately's going to tell everybody. But he's texting Ariana, putting the moves on, trying to figure that whole thing out. He's like, hey, did you leave this in my room for an excuse to sleep in here? If that's the case, then come on back. But you get a different vibe, not from Charlie. He's, to his credit, for better or worse, he's been who he is the entire time. he's been on TV.

You can see it starting to work. You can see Ariana's starting to let those walls down a little bit, an extra little chuckle here and there, a lingering hand on the shoulder, a look or a glance at dinner. It's starting to work. And he knows it's starting to work. The thing that's going to potentially bite Ariana Nas,

she doesn't see the entire group clocking this. She still thinks she's ahead of it. She's like, nah, I wouldn't touch him with it. a 10 foot pole. Meanwhile, everyone in the group is talking on the side, like, oh,

yeah, they're going to fuck. Yeah, that's exactly what happens. It's just, it doesn't matter at this point if it happens. Like, with this group,

the way things just kind of spread through the group chat, whatever might happen, it's the court of public opinion at this point. I mean, you went from saying so many bad things about him to saying you wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole to now cozying up and flirting with him. You let him in. it may have happened already.

You guys may have already hooked up. We don't know, but it's giving off the vibe that you did already, or you're going to very, very soon. And it's a terrible look for her. That's the funny thing. Everybody in the group is saying that. Even Charlie is saying that. Like, I guess it's a pretty tough look.

I don't know what to do with her. I mean, it is what it is. And if it happens, I wouldn't tell you. But it's a really bad look for Arianna at the end of the day. It's like, Charlie, you're defending her in the way of saying, I don't kiss and tell, but you're not really defending her by leaving her out to dry. Like, uh-huh, hook it up with me or even being suspected of hooking up with me. That's a really bad look for Arianna.

What an idiot. That is like, if you read between the lines, that's pretty much what he's saying. Yeah, more or less. And again, you know, for better or worse, he has been Charlie. It's not like this is a surprise. And that's why it's funny to hear people like, oh, he's really trying to show a different side. I'm like, when. Yeah, totally.

Oh, boy. But Georgia's still. on her vendetta against Charlie. And I think that Georgia's shit with Charlie perfectly encapsulates how people feel about Charlie. Georgia doesn't hate Charlie. No. Georgia's very mad at Charlie, but Georgia is enamored with Charlie. That's the vibe it gives where she in a heartbeat would get back as like friends with him if she saw even a sliver of concession. Like if he was just Like you're right. I'm sorry.

She'd be full throttle back on board. You saw that at the dinner the other night when Amira, you know, Georgia goes to Amira pretty much saying Charlie's the worst person. The world has said the worst things about you of the world. And then she's keeking with him at the table in front of Amira. Yeah. That's why Amir doesn't like you. But I think that she would be back on the Charlie train in a nanosecond if the opportunity

presented itself. I agree with that fully. And I think that she's well enough aware that she's caused such a stir in the group where it's almost like watching Charlie and Ariana flirt is less like a big deal than watching Georgia and Charlie have a normal conversation. For the rest of the group,

I can't believe you dragged us through all of this. You made half of us hate Charlie. You made it our problem for the whole time. And now you're just moving on immediately. So I think just based off of Georgia, even though it seems like she might be a little bit aloof to that, I think she's thinking of it. She knows she can't go back to being friends with him right now.

She just wants to simmer down a little bit. and we talked about it for the last couple of weeks. She's been throwing hell Mary's out there to get people to hate Charlie even more, going after a mirror to try to sever ties. If that doesn't work, then I do think that means she's just going to go back and be friends with Charlie within a season or two. We're going to see it happen. But she tried a lot.

And if it worked, she would move on. Charlie would probably move off the show because he's not friends with everybody. She'd get her way and then she'd move on with her life. It's not working and it hasn't worked. And I think she's realizing it slowly and that's kind of what we're seeing. but she's now jealous, pissed, upset, mad that it didn't work, mad that her plan didn't go through, and other people are still falling for his charm.

She's going to give up soon, and then she's going to be friends with them next season. That's a really good point. I think you nailed it. I think she had a plan. Plan's not working. Doesn't want to be on the outs, so she's going to concede.

Yeah, he's not that bad. Yeah, I think you're totally right. Exactly. Now we get to that dinner we talked about with Christian and Gia, and my guy needs to love. learn to read a room ever so slightly. Just a spidge, buddy, because Jesus, she's just trying to find any kind of middle ground. She's not being overbearing.

She's not being mean. She's not saying you need to get on board with these things or it's not going to work. She's trying to set him up with a question that is a positive question to get any kind of positive answer. That's what she says. What was the coolest part? It's photos with different fans. in different places.

I don't want to be here. I don't like being on camera. All right. Well, at what point when you were dating Gia Judice, the daughter of Teresa Judice, who has been on TV since she was eight, what did you think was going to happen, dude?

I don't think this is fair. It kind of makes me not like Christian, because it's like, look, I understand maybe not wanting to be in the spotlight. You knew what you signed up for, dude. Even if you were younger, you knew what you signed up for. Yeah, I mean, I'm not really on board with not liking the guy. I think if I had to guess what happened, he knew who she was, he knew what she did.

I don't think he was ready for the show. I think he was purely completely fine with her being Gia Judice, with her being an influencer, doing all of those things, having to take a picture or video with her every once in a while. But he doesn't want to be on the show. But it was obviously a great opportunity for Gia to further her brand to be part of of Bravo like her mom was. then she starts moving forward with all of this and he's like,

fuck, do I have to be a part of this? I was cool with popping in on my own terms to do your influencer stuff, but I don't really want to do that. Again, I made the joke in the beginning. Like, of course, we see him without a shirt off right away and he's smiling. And then he comes back. He's like, I don't really like the cameras being around. So it is funny to point that out.

But if I just kind of boil it down to what it might be, and this is just a conversation that it's just annoying, but I get where he's coming from if that's what he means. If he just said, I never really signed up for this, but because we're dating, I also have to be on this show for you. That's kind of annoying. I want you to have all the things that you want,

be on the show, do those things. But now I have to be on the show and I see how these things go. Like, I get all of that is what I'm trying to say, if that's how he truly feels. If he's just going to be flip floppy

and be like, oh, I don't really want to be able to show unless it's, you know, when I'm doing the things that I like to do. It's like,

no, your girlfriend's on the show, buddy, you have to follow that. So I don't, there's a lot of things to go into it. And he just doesn't, he doesn't seem like a man of many words.

So I don't know if we're ever going to get that explanation from him. That makes sense. But that's what I'm thinking. I don't think he's a much, he's much of a factor on this show for me to be like, oh, I don't really like it matters. I don't really think it cares like I really care that much.

No, that's fair. I don't dislike the guy. You know, I'm kind of indifferent as far as like, you know, like or dislike. I just more men. You're right.

Like I do understand that maybe he didn't understand the gravity of what being a full-time cast member or entail didn't understand like the amount of cameras, the amount of time. But at the same time, it's just a tough look probably is what I'm getting because, you know, Gia's literally

says to him, I love this. He's like, we've had this conversation like 50 times, dude. Like, all right, well, then let's make a decision, guys, because. Well, and maybe that's the other thing. And maybe I'm just like being too easy on him, too lenient on them. But maybe they did have

that conversation about 50 times that it was off camera or it was on camera and they didn't like the shoot so they went back and did that we know how that works like they make people walk in and out of places like 10 times because they didn't get the right shot maybe that's where he just kind of hit his threshold he's like we've had this conversation where are we doing this again i don't but it's the first time we're seeing it so it's a tough look and as long as he doesn't channel his inner luke from the valley and say something like i don't think that i'd be with you if you were doing this show before we started dating something along those lines then i'm okay with him If he says something like that, then it's like, all right.

I see what you're doing here on the album. Yeah, I hopefully he doesn't do that. He just seems like he doesn't want to talk. So you just must take a shirt off on camera and have his moment. But yeah, I am stressed about this resort collection. And I don't even think Brooks is that big of a factor on the show. But God, I'm stressed about this fucking thing. I know.

It feels like your entire company hinges on it. Dude, I know. What do you think your parents are going to do? They gave you $100,000 for 8% of, of your investment. They would seize everything. Everything would be over. Like,

yeah, they might do it to teach you a lesson to be like, hey, you fucked up. It's very funny to me that you decided to go with a lighter version of Terry cloth and immediately it fell apart. If you've ever felt any Terry cloth, I have a Terry cloth shirt,

it is exactly how thick it needs to be. And by the way, it's breathable enough. You know what you're getting into when you buy it. You know what you're, yeah. So like, what are we doing here? I don't really understand that part of it. But he makes it our problem.

That's all he talks about is just being stressed. Look, I bet you are stressed out about it. But I don't want to hear about it anymore, man. I'm not your friend. I just watch you on TV. Yeah, or do something about it. Go to Austin. Check the inventory.

But you just say that. Why haven't we done that yet? That's the thing. And like, he does leave little breadcrumbs here and there. He's like, I have to take like anti-anxiety medicine just to go get a coffee. It's like, all right, I understand. you don't want to, you're like, you're okay in your little bubble, but you got to save your company.

We should have had like three episodes ago, you and someone else or, you know, you and your dad even driving. Liam, I can drive you out there. Yeah, you should be driving. They'll take a camera with you or two and you get to film this experience. It's not, I don't want to say it's not like you don't have a job necessarily. You're running your company. This is for your company.

This is working. You're also filming a show. You can kill two birds with one stone. drive down to Austin from New York make a trip out of it, make it fun. It might actually make people on the show like you if we get to watch you stopping at random places along the way to stay at a weird hotel and you open the door

and you're like, this kind of sucks. We might actually like that. Do something. Like I don't want to keep hearing about it because I'm like you. I'm getting stressed out about this. I don't even care. I know. I don't have a dog in the fight,

but you're making me bug out about your fucking resort collection. But that was what I thought is exactly what you said. That road trip with Liam and Brooks down to Austin, Texas from New York would be fucking hilarious. And it might give Brooks the on-screen presence just from being forced to film for like three days while driving a car. Like I think that would actually be beneficial. And it's Liam too. You're actually friends with Liam. It's not just an acquaintance of the cast.

It's not like we're throwing Charlie in there to see what happens and what kind of chaotic shit we can get into. You like Liam. Liam's charismatic. He's likable. it would be good for your image. It would be good for your brand for the TV show that you're currently filming. And also, you would be going to get your inventory and come back. And you can appease the investors, i.e. your parents.

Bingo. And they won't take all your shit. It's a no brain. That would be a golden episode on Salt Lake. Oh, yeah. It's fantastic. Going to seize all of his stuff because he didn't pay their $100,000 investment back. We're going to foreclose on this warehouse.

Oh, who's my son? My son. Yeah. Oh, boy. Well, we get a little more on Ava and her mom, you know, she's still going through the breakup with Hook. I know New York's expensive. And I hear you, Ava, sleeping in the same bed as your ex with a pillow in between you is wild work. Yeah, that's crazy.

Go sleep on the couch. Make him sleep on the couch. Yeah. Go get an Airbnb for a weekend. get away. I don't know, man. But we get to the Bravo con panel and really the only thing there is the the shy and Brooks thing. This one, I said it earlier, really highlighted Brooks's shortcomings. Because we're on stage, shy responds, like what is something that somebody could learn something

from Riley about? And he said that Brooks could because Brooks is not confrontational. He is confrontational that way, although it's, does seem like Brooks is fairly confrontational, at least what I've seen. But shy didn't mean in a bad way. I can see how it came off, not great. But at the same time, like, let's remember where we are, what we're doing. It's BravoCon. You're on a panel, on a reality TV show.

Brooks snaps his head around and looks at him and that's it and saves it for later. And his issue later, he's like, I don't appreciate that you brought that up in front of hundreds of people. I was like, dude, no, we're on reality TV. You bring up things in front of millions. of people that watch these shows. Yeah. In that moment on the stage,

clap back, get them, say something. But this is kind of his issue across the board. It's like when the moment shows up, Brooks does not. Yep. Yeah, that's exactly what happened here. And again, these panels, you should know better than anybody on that stage,

maybe not Ariana, but you should understand what happens. You get caught in those questions. And I don't even think it was a bad question. You get caught, somebody says something else, we have to deal with it. every other year when it comes to housewives, who's the next housewife to break up with their husbands?

And then we talk about it for like three episodes. It happens. This is the shit that you get into with BravoCon. And then it comes up getting. Yeah. And he just gets so upset. It's like, dude, come on. Like, have thicker skin if you're going to be on a show like this.

It's just embarrassing to watch. But it does seem like everybody else. I mean, the only other like side note that we get from the panel is just that Charlie starts talking and people booed him and everybody got really excited about that one. Like, good. good Charlie got that and he's like I don't fucking care bring me your booze it's fine yeah exactly and it's just

kind of feeding into this character more which is not a bad thing it's good for the show very good for the show you know if he continues to embrace that role and that you can look at this show in a lot of ways we like to look at you know a little bit deeper than maybe the average viewer

we have to look at the structure the cast roles all of those things and if you kind of look across the board of reality TVs the best show have a villain that is bought into the role. Not necessarily like out there to do all these nefarious things, but they lean into that villain persona of like, I don't give a fuck.

And Charlie's doing that extremely well. And I would argue that Charlie and his presence on this show without Charlie, I don't know how good this show is. Genuine. I agree. With Charlie, this show is fantastic. Yeah, yeah, totally. And I think that everybody who was booing him in the crowd knew that.

It's just that hive mentality. We're going to start booing everybody back and forth, see what happens. And look, he's built for it. He understands what it means and he's fine with it. So that's all that really matters to us. Yeah, but Gia takes a moment to invite everybody to a friend's giving at our new apartment and makes a good point, although we have some feuds here and there. This group does seem to be jelling and coming into their own as a cast,

much more. Like last season, I've watched now a bunch of those episodes. And it was good. But it didn't have the flow that this season has. Like they really have gotten into a groove with each other. That's what we like to see. We're kind of based off the Soho model. You know,

we want to see season three, they should really kind of break out. That's how it's gone with these newer shows. So fingers crossed for that. But you're seeing them really gel well together. And so she has the Friendsgiving thing. Everyone's going to come out. Awesome.

Let's head back to New York. there's nothing you can say, Ariana, that defends this. Of course, so many reasons. So many fucking reasons. But to give up your cross-country seat in first class, which is a lay-down seat to sit economy with Charlie. Just sounds to me like you guys had sex in Vegas.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely did. You can't convince me otherwise. That's exactly what happens. Or you're planning on doing it and you got really close. You guys were just really hitting it come on what are we doing here it would have been even funnier if somehow charlie convinced her to leave first class and go to economy and in the meantime he then kind of skirted around and got that last first class seat so then we actually went back through that would be very funny but he's playing that

role right now and clearly to the rest of us and everybody else you just said like two days ago i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole now you're in economy with them come on but we can put the pieces together we don't know what's going on Not a great look. Not a great look at all. But between this, between Charlie at BravoCon and between a few other comments that he made here and there, I firmly believe that he cares a lot.

He wants to give off the vibe. He doesn't give a shit about Bravo, TV, the friend group, whatever. He's such a rebel without a cause, this and that. He gives all the fucks. Yeah. And I really think that he does. And I think that's part of the reason that he is so good on TV is because he does care despite him trying to convince us all otherwise. So I think yeah, he absolutely does.

Yep. But upon arriving back to New York, we just have everyone talking about Charlie and Arianna. Did they do anything? Are they hooking up that 10 foot pole is getting a lot shorter? I think Rowan even unironically says nine foot pole, which was funny because I don't think she was trying to shrink it. But she did shrink it. That's when it was like, yeah, that pole's getting shorter and shorter. Turns out they shared a ride home after the flight, allegedly, again, doesn't sound too promising. Nope. The one thing I don't need.

And the one person I do not need to hear from is Hudson. Yeah. Don't text. I'm not even on the show. No. Don't give a fuck. Why are you FaceTiming? Who is this guy?

I don't care. You're probably FaceTiming from a back of a Bentley or something stupid. But it is. You don't have an input. It's objectively funny that Gia sends out the tax message with everybody. but he kind of singled out and then sends Gia or I'm sorry, Ariana and Liam are bringing carrots and potatoes or wherever the hell they're bring.

That's very funny. That is just a very funny thing, which if you're thinking either one of two things, Gia knew what she was doing and she knows that Hudson's in the group and wanted to stir some shit up because of her past and she understands how these shows work and she just wanted to fabricate a little bit of drama in there. Fine. Totally fine by me.

Or she was not thinking at all and she was being very nice and saying, Hey, Liam, I had a conversation with. He said him and Ariane are going to bring it. So I love them together. That's all it is. Either way, very funny that there's a byproduct. I think it's still the former. But either way, very funny that the byproduct of that is Hudson being in that chat,

freaking out. Are you and Liam dating? What's going on here? Let me go FaceTime Charlie and figure out what the hell's going on there. I got to see what's going on. Are you even coming to Friendsgiving? No. No.

Can't. Down in Atlanta. Okay. We go FaceTime the guy that's going to fuck my girlfriend. Like yeah, yeah, which it's very funny nowadays too, or not nowadays necessarily, but with all the shit that's been coming out and with like the quote unquote confirmation that Ariana and Charlie hooked up online, they're going back and forth now. And it is not looking good for Hudson. You do not want to go toe to toe with somebody like Charlie online because I'll read it for you right now. Hudson tagged Charlie and said, we'll see if you keep talking like that from behind bars next season after us.

something happens originally it's like it all stems from the after show but then there was another comment here and there where charlie was kind of taking some pokes at hudson charlie comes back and said you're losing it if the season three invite is that important to you i'll put in a good word not going well for hudson online uh oh hudson commented on something and said yeah charlie's still a bitch and a whole bitch and uh charlie responded saying so big and bad behind your phone where is this energy in person four more episodes we'll see who the bitch is. So I want to see what's going to happen in four more episodes because maybe he finally comes back at that point. I think Hudson's going to look like a bitch on TV.

Yeah. That's what I would guess. And like even the way he talks on that, he's like, dog, what the fuck am I looking at? Yeah. I learned from Utah. Like, don't. Like, come on. And like, what else does he do? He, oh, that was the wild one. Liam went directly against the crown rules that I laid out for him. Who fuck do you think I think you are, buddy. Like, are you kidding me with that? Like, first of all, you have no agency over what Ariana does in her life because you dated her, you weenie.

Second of all, I can't find one person. Or to take that seriously. Liam actually has a lot of respect for people, I think, and actually didn't laugh you out of the room when most people would have looked at you and when, are you fucking serious? Go away. He didn't. Yeah. But no, he's not going to listen to you and forego a potential relationship with Ariana because

you told him not to. That's crazy. He sees, I do not like Hudson. He sucks. The ground rules thing is, is just so funny. Like,

I just don't understand this guy. Like, I laid it out for him, very clean. And I can't believe he wouldn't, he doesn't know you. That was his first time meeting you. What are we talking about here?

It's just, it's very funny. I, as much as obviously, you know, Charlie versus Hudson is very funny and tickles me. Liam versus Charlie would have I'm sorry, Liam versus Hudson

would have also been very fun because Liam's just a normal dude who probably would have had a couple of comments here and there and still had some respect for Hudson, but eventually he's going to hit a breaking point where he's like, dude, shut the fuck up. That would have been very satisfying, but we just jump right to Charlie and Hudson

and I'm okay with that one too because Hudson can not handle Charlie. No, Hudson can't handle the show and that's why he's not on it at all. Correct. It ends with some cryptics, stuff slightly cryptic not really uh but it alludes to one big big part of this show that has not been shown and that's ariana and charlie off camera and shy in the bathroom alludes to that like

off camera it's totally different charlie says a couple things like i got to gauge like how long to grab ariana's ass for like can't be too short can't be too long i don't know so it's a lot pointing to they might be a little bit closer than Ariana's putting on on camera, which obviously gives a lot of credence to the rumors. Yeah, which also Charlie knows that he's miced up. So saying that on camera, he knows exactly what he's doing.

I don't hate it. Now, he knows how to play the game. Two of them going to the bathroom at the same time. Maybe you don't know that you're mic up. And maybe you just kind of figured that one out. Well, you know, dudes in New York go to the bathroom. you know, you could figure that one out.

It's not about the pasta. There you go. There you go. But let's see what the audience thinks. From Kate Girl, do you think that Ariana's picker is broken or she's just having fun? I think she's just having fun. But the revifications of this one are a little tough because Liam is being a lover boy. He's a winner.

Now he's just getting just fucking ripped because of this one. Liam, he's a winner. I feel really bad, actually, for Liam. He does seem like a stand-up guy. But like I said earlier on, I think it's just too safe. It's too nice. She wants a little more bad boy, hence Charlie. Very good point.

From Abe Mack, why is Charlie literally an East Coast ship rows? Charleston is on the East Coast, Dave. Just get that out of the way. But I kind of, I don't really see it because I do think that Charlie is way more than addictive way meaner and really, really doesn't give a fuck.

I could see in the sense of him like hooking up with people, sure, but at very different personalities to me. Yeah, I would agree.

Jay Bay the Huts, seven one three, have y'all ever had a lieback seat on a first class flight? It wasn't first class, but it was a lie down seat and like the step down on those like really big planes.

Yeah. The business plot, I don't know, but yes, I've laid down on a flight. Yeah. I have not, but sounds nice. It is.

From Vades, Brooks's clothing line is giving Shibai Shiree, yes. We are in the early stages of Shai by Shere. The funny, the problem here is that Shere got to a point where she just kept answering the same way and she had different excuses and it was very funny. I don't think Brooks has that in him to be funny while this whole thing is going on.

He's just going to continue to stress us out. Yeah, and then he's going to spiral. Yeah. Let's do a couple more. from Jamie Gibbs is Liam a decoy for Charlie I maybe not initially

is like Ariana talking to Liam just a decoy she's really into Charlie I don't think that's originally how it happened I think that Ariana is just having fun and maybe not thinking about the fallout so that's going to be tough for her

but yeah I don't think an intentional decoy no I think two things can be true at once I do think that she's like oh, wow, nice guy, Liam, didn't have this with Hudson. It's nice to have someone that gives a shit. He's attentive. And at the same time, I think she's like, oh, Charlie seems like a lot of fun. And I didn't expect myself to lean into this as much.

I think she got caught in the middle. Definitely see that. From Jacqueline Michelle Cress. So Brooks needs to be off this show. He does nothing. Yeah. That's what this episode showed. Really, really highlighted that his shortcomings as a reality TV star.

Look, the thing. is if he could hit his stride, I think he'd be fine. But he needs to, he needs to lean into it more. He's way too reserved on this show. Yep. Very much so. And then we'll end on this one from, let's see, I'll just keep it simple.

From, uh, Kala Allen. Who do you think that Ariana should date? Liam. Liam, if we're being realistic, Liam. He just seems like a nice guy. But yeah, Liam. We'll just leave about that. For the show, she should be doing exactly what she's currently doing.

Correct. Correct. Not dating either of them, but just kind of screwing around. Right. If it was like real life, you know, who should she have an actual relationship with Liam? I mean, it's not even a question. Yeah, for sure. Or Hudson and divorce him.

Or Hudson. Yeah, that's actually my vote. That's my vote. That's my vote. Divorce and take at least like 60% of it. that buddy. Hell yeah. That would be awesome. And then she can take pictures in the back of a Bentley.

And she could help her parents. Yeah, honestly. Yeah, Kim needs it. Yeah, win-win. But Kim's probably going to try to hook up with Hudson. J.K., just kidding, guys. But anyway, great show. Just a great show. I'm excited to see where the season goes. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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