Bros & Shows - Fuda Pops Off as RHONJ Falls Off... (RHONJ Full Recap + State of The Housewives)

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

What's up Bros? The hits keep coming for Jersey as we just found out the reunion for this season has been canceled followed by a potential major cast shake up. We take the first 20 minutes of this episode to discuss the overall state of Housewives and Bravo. A lot of these issues are across the board in the Housewives universe and hopefully Bravo has a plan moving forward to revamp where needed. Then its on to Jersey. Melissa and Jen Aydin finally sit down (again) to try to hash things out. Fessler confronts Marge and says she's not being herself. Marge is still coping with the passing of Jan, her ex husband, but is there more to her mood shift than that? Danielle is getting prepped for her Bougie Kids show at NY Fashion Week and invites all the gals over for a Bougie Brunch. Danielle ends up confronting both Jen Aydin and Teresa about them potentially setting her up last year with the rumors about Melissa's make out with another man. Fuda gets involved when she pops off at Teresa and while some of her reads are quite good, she has so stop asking Teresa what she's done and calling her a has-been... the other digs are funny, the has been stuff doesn't make a whole lot of sense... Will Fuda get the wrath of Tre? Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Time Stamps: Intro (0-1:30) State of The Housewives Universe (1:30-19:50) RHONJ (20:00) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Jersey Goots. What's up, dude? Jersey Goots back in action. Mm-hmm. Not a lot to talk about.

Well, first off, we will address the jersey pause. Yeah, we need to. Before we jump into the show and our recap, a quick reminder for Brof Bros members, we have our first Zoom next Tuesday. We are also 60 members away from starting our rom-com recaps, our bromance episodes. So if you don't want to miss out on our Zoom next week, Community Zoom, Tuesday, June, June 11th at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 6 p.m. West Coast, a.k. P.S.T. Pacific Standard Time.

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because, let's be honest, it's another episode of not a lot to talk about. No, I mean, there was some fireworks at the end. Overall, it wasn't the worst episode ever. No, not at all. There's two parts to it. Like, yeah, there was some decent drama. There were some funny moments, I guess,

but it highlighted once again at the end that nobody can be in the same room together. Yeah. That's the problem. Nobody can look at each other. Nobody can talk to each other. But I'm okay with that if they keep forcing, seeing them to be in the same room together.

Agreed, but they don't. I know. That's where I feel like producers absolutely need to step in. And here's the problem, too. And I saw there's a couple of things floating around out there. It was like a review or something else. People are saying, you know, it's getting repetitive talking about Jersey like this. What do you want us to do?

I mean, look, the whole thing with Jersey is, yes, it is repetitive. It has been for a very long time because it's the same setup every season. Teresa versus Melissa. Now Melissa has seemingly bowed out and Fuda has taken her place. We get a great Fuda moment, sure, but you're asking a newbie to go toe to toe with Teresa. And that just doesn't seem to work because her go-to lines don't make sense. It's like you have been or what have you done? It's like she built the show you're sitting on right now.

Correct. She also went to prison, came back out of prison. her ex-husband got deported. She had four daughters, daughters, had to figure out a way to make money again. She did, thanks to the show, but she was wheeling and you can't take away. She did all of that on the show.

Correct. So you can't use that line. It doesn't seem to work. And that's where, like, if you're going to do this, if this is going to be the setup, Fuda versus Teresa, okay, fine. I'll buy it for now.

But you can't go after her and call her a husband because it doesn't make sense. Yeah. No, it doesn't make any sense. And at the end of the day, we'll get a little bit into the pause thing and the no reunion, which makes no sense. But we'll talk about this as a whole for Jersey. If the show is to end, the show is Teresa. It is.

Look, like, there's other moments, obviously, but the show is Teresa. When you think about Jersey, if they cancel this, if they reboot it with a new cast or whatever they're going to do. And I agree with what you said yesterday on Summer House talking about they're going to keep an eye on how Roney does this year. before they make any rash decisions. If the show is to end or recast, in 10 years, you're going to look back on Jersey and you're going to think about Teresa immediately. No one else.

That's a great point. And that's the thing where it comes down to the stupid teams thing because we don't pick teams here. 99.9% of the time on any show, we will pick a team for a little while, but we are quick to jump back and forth based on new information. When it comes to Jersey specifically,

because of the fan-based surroundings, it like the diehards we have made it very clear many times like we're not on anybody's team but if you break it down to what it is like yes this show is because of teresa when you think about the show you think about teresa when you think about house if you ask people that don't watch bravo if you show them a picture of teresa they will know who she is correct she's that big so you can't take away from what she's done on the show whether you love her or hater. Now, as far as the pause goes, as far as the lack of reunion, the potential recast, I saw that four, potentially four housewives are on the chopping block. You have to do something

drastic. And that rings true across the board. We've seen so many different shows, so many housewife shows that have had to recast, reboot, pause, whatever. The only show that I really thoroughly enjoy consistently because Salt Lake had a dud season. They came back with a haymaker because of lightning in a bottle. You had Monica Garcia come out of nowhere and that was a great season. Can they do it again? I don't

know because I'm not very hopeful that they can. But Miami had the pause and ever since they came back, they've been great. Nobody watches. That doesn't make sense. I know that people are watching Miami but not enough people are and that's one of the few that's doing

very good. So they need to figure out a new formula for the housewife show so that they don't go away because we love the housewives. We don't want to sit here and bash these shows and say, oh, this show sucks. But there's something inherently wrong with them. There's something not inherently wrong. There's something fundamentally wrong with the housewife set up right now. I don't know if it's overproduction. I don't know if it's the lack of real relationships. I don't know if it's producers sticking their nose where they don't need to. I'm not sure, but something's wrong. Yeah, no, something's definitely wrong.

And hearing the rumor that there's four, only four housewives on the chopping block, that's not going to work. I don't care what you do. I don't care which of the four you choose. You can go drastic if you think about it and say, all right, we're going to get rid of Teresa and Melissa, and then everybody can stop doing all of this. We'll get rid of Teresa, Marge, Melissa, and Dolores. And we'll just get rid of them and we'll see if the newbies can step up.

That's not going to work. Everybody's going to look at that because of the way that the fans are for this show. Everybody's going to be pissed to Teresa's out, but the show is continuing with these losers who have done nothing, who have improved anything. And that goes into what Rachel said at the end of this episode. What have you proven? What have you done? You're on this season.

You're on this for one season. You're now, what, in your second season, you're not proven enough to carry this show forward. You have to get rid of everybody if you're going to do that. The only other thing I could see them doing is, and I don't know if any of the other housewives who used to be on the show would come back. But I don't think Caroline Manzo would ever come back. Not after the Brandy Gladell's. But Danielle Stobb probably would.

Yeah. There's others that you could bring back in to just throw into the mix and just create some chaos and see if you have anything there. Otherwise, get rid of everyone. And, you know, thank you, Teresa, for everything that you did for the show, for Housewives. See you later. Let's reboot entirely. Well, Teresa, Teresa gets a spinoff.

There's no way that Teresa's not on a Bravo show. And that's fine. And maybe that would work. And maybe they can start to explore. new avenues in which there's different styles of shows that we haven't really seen it. And maybe that'll work. I don't know. But I agree with you.

If you get rid of everybody other than the newbies, everyone's going to like, this is bullshit. We want our OGs back. You have to either clean house. You have to do what you did to Roney. Honestly. People aren't going to like it no matter what you do. No, there's always going to be noise in the background. This is not the jersey I want to watch.

Like, where's my OGs? That's what happened over Roney. I'm assuming that that does. has somewhat settled. I think the second installment of the new Roney is going to do better. I think that... Yeah, I think so.

Because we enjoyed it for the most part. Like, yes, there were some obvious flaws. And yes, some different things need to happen this season. But, you know, what gave me hope was talking to Aaron at our live show. And she was like, you know, it's a learning process. And we all were so hesitant to overstep or come off as the bad guy that everything was always either

short, like the feuds didn't last long because we're make up and show that we're not mean to each other. And at the reunion, we all wanted to kind of settle everything instead of throwing bombs at each other. And that was the first thing Aaron said was like, that's not going to happen this year. I'm coming

prepared to the reunion. I'm coming prepared for the season. So they got their growing pains out of the way. It's going to be a group that knows how to play the game now, but has not been around long enough to overproduce hopefully. Yeah, we'll see how that works out. Hopefully it works out.

And something like that, a lot of that has to do with timing, too. Yeah. You can't have that release the same time as another show that's just going to bully it. Right. Because then it's going to be constantly compared to it. And there's only two other, obviously, Dubai came out. There's, I want to say mixed reviews, but there's no reviews of Dubai. There's not a whole lot of discussion about Dubai.

So I don't know what the fuck's going on over there. So it'll be interesting to see when Roney gets released, because we know that they were filming already. They were filming O.C. If you put the two of them together and kind of go side by side by. side, I think that works, depending on what they, depending on what they do with OC, because O.C is going to get a lot of buzz just because it's OC. Yeah, it always does. And we saw the Vicki's coming back for a more pivotal role, which is, I think, surprisingly, what you would need in that aspect. That's a good idea. Because that's another show that they don't really know what they're doing with.

So it's in, the state of Housewives is in turmoil. It is. It is. And that's not fun for us. No. If you think that we like to sit here and bash the Housewives, we do not. We want these shows to be good. We have to watch them anyway. So it's much better for us when they're good. And the other thing that's nerve-wracking is can they figure out how to fix them? Can they figure out a formula for Jersey that keeps the old fans happy, the newer generation happy? Like, can they find that middle ground of good TV again? Because all we're seeing now, like I said before, is overproduction. And it's, it's just boring. That's, at the end of the day, Jersey is boring. And for anybody that has an argument to that one i would love to hear it and not in a caddy way like i would love to understand

what you're enjoying about this show but the proof is in the pudding yeah canceled the reunion they're talking about pausing it they're talking about recasting it they don't do that for a good show yeah and honestly if you think back to just this last year two years when's the last time that the general masses have been excited for an episode of housewives uh salt lake salt lake okay remove Salt Lake from the equation. I'm not even putting Miami in there because not enough people are watching Miami. I'm talking about the big shows.

Go to Atlanta, go to Jersey, go to New York, well, New York, whatever. Go to Beverly Hills, O.C. There's no buzz. There's never any buzz. You go to Southern Charm, you go to Summer House, you go to VPR, you go to fucking anything,

really, the Valley. There's buzz around almost every episode. What's going to happen next? What's going to happen next? I don't remember there being a housewife show that's done that. I can't remember. The last two years.

No, I think the biggest buzz created was Monica in Salt Lake. That was the biggest thing that we've gotten. Like you said, we're not using those two as examples. But Miami, once again, was consistently good. Every week was a solid episode. Everyone's doing their job. And not in a, oh, I planned this a week ago. I'm bringing it on camera now.

I think Miami will be in a better place next year with viewers. I think so, too. I think that given the state of some of the other shows, they're going to get more newer viewers to it, which is great. because we don't just say that like that show is doing well the characters on that show are and that was their first season back on bravo oh yeah last year was their first season back on bravo that's that makes sense too this will be another year another season of being fully back on bravo live tv we get to watch it so i i think that'll help a lot too i just don't know where the hell

they go with this i'll make a bold statement here bold bold bold statement i think the fate of the housewives realm stands on the shoulders of Miami and Roney and how they perform this season. I think that you can model the other shows because you have a reboot and you have a pause. Both of them, if they can be successful, it's like, okay, this works. Now let's do this for other shows.

Atlanta's another big one. Atlanta's coming back. I'm actually excited to watch that. Portia's coming back. That's going to be really fun to watch. I want Atlanta to get back to its glory days because when we jumped into Atlanta, everyone was telling us how amazing it was.

We enjoyed our first season, Atlanta, but the general consensus from the masses was it wasn't one of the better seasons. So to see that show get back on its feet would be exciting to see Miami knock it out of the park once again in their second year back on Bravo to see the new Roney reboot do very well. Like that gives me hope for the future

that there is a plan in place. And I'm sure that there's people behind the scenes like racking their brains. How do we do this? How do we do this? Yeah, like we need to figure this out. So I, look, Bravo has been consistently solid for a very long time.

I don't think that we're at the oh shit moment yet. I think that that's in the future, not super far away, but I think that if these things can hit the right way, they take a pause from Jersey, look at it overall, how can we revamp this a little bit? Do we have the OGs in more of a mentoring role and bring like six newbies on the show

where Teresa comes in as a friend of and gets her own spin-off? You get glimpses of some of the other women, but not full-time. Do you take the OGs and put them on a girl's trip, a recurring something? I know you hate the girl. I'm just saying like that kind of stuff. No, I just, it just sounds so similar to the Roney legacy stuff. It does.

We didn't want anybody from the old Roney cast to get involved in the new cast just yet. I'm okay with them popping up, you know, season three or four. If they start to leak in now, like, yeah. Yeah, maybe still not even in the season two. Oh, season three. Yeah. They got to stand alone. They have to be able to stand alone.

Yep. Yeah, that's entirely fine by me. I don't want to reboot all of Jersey. have to learn all these people, and then you've got Teresa just pop up in the first season. Like, we don't want to do that. Let's figure it out. Let's see what we do. And look, the bros are also going to figure it out because we're going to be here and we need to find stuff to talk about.

Yeah. So we're going to figure it out too. And we're going to keep doing this until we figure out what the plan is or speculating on what the plan is. And no, we are not Bravo producers. I would love to be. Yeah. But we're not. But we can sit here and speculate because that's our job.

and these shows, when they're better, our job is more fun. Yeah. Because we like when the shows do good. So for anyone out there that's like, oh, you hate the shows, this and not, it's like, no, we love the shows. No, we're trying to figure out what they do so that other people might hear us and then report back to Bravo. Yeah, that's what we're doing. What do you think about a new city? Or going back to an old city that didn't work.

Go back to Dallas. Here comes Cleveland to go. Oh, no, no, no, go back to, like, Dallas. Dallas is interesting. A whole new Cropicast, just see if you can figure it out and have that. them try to play it out, I guess, or I don't know, Cleveland. Yeah, sure, why not? I think I just wanted to call back the call for Cleveland.

If you haven't listened to us forever, very early on, that was a recurring trope. For whatever reason, Shooter was stuck on Real Housewives of Cleveland. It would be gritty. It would be. I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm just saying Dallas makes a whole lot of sense, especially right now, like Dallas and the Fort Worth area is very, very much on the

Farnworth specifically, if you get a solid cast down there, like, yeah, that would be very interesting to watch. You can get some new money. You can get some old oil money. There's a lot of things that you can do down there. So that might be something to look at if these other franchises are just suffering and suffering and you are stuck. And you don't want to get rid of the old cast. You don't want to bring in a new cast. Just go to a new city. That's actually a really good idea. Remember the rumors that they were doing Scottsdale or something? Oh, yeah. That was for a while. That was when we first started, too. There was two other ones, too. Wasn't there three potentials? Three potentials? The only one that I can really remember is Scottsdale.

I was stunned that there was a Scottsdale. Look, no shade to Scottsdale. It's just I was like, wow, that's where they're going to go is Scottsdale? Scottsdale, sure. I'm just trying to think of other, because you don't want to do the Midwest. You don't want to do Chicago. You're probably not going to do Philly as much as we would love that. Would that, like, that's also an interesting premise.

Would that work? Real Housewives of Philly, look, there's plenty of money on the main line. Like, it's not like Philly doesn't have the wealthy people in it. And there's a lot of character in this city. I'm not like, obviously, oh, of course you want Real House of thing. We're being a little biased on it. Yeah, but no, like that structurally could work. Like, I think that you're on to something there where it's like, all right, while you're trying to figure these ones out, not saying cancel them, let's pause a few of them or one or two of them.

Go somewhere new. Give us a new city that's not. Dubai, and we're going to watch Dubai. We'll give you our honest take on it. I'm going into it curious. I'm not damning it yet. But yeah, let's get some new cities, new people that we have not met. Here's just an idea.

And then we'll get into the episode. Have you noticed? They got rid of Winterhouse, right? There hasn't been a girl's trip in forever. Like a year. I know the drama of the last. I know the drama of that last one, sure. But they didn't have another one lined up.

to roll right back out. There hasn't been any of these, like, weird spin-all shows. Like, yeah, you know, the Luann and Sonia going to Crappy Lake, that was cute. It was a great show. No, no, no, but it was overall, it was cute. It was a great show. We really enjoyed it. Loved it.

But it was cute, and it's not a mainstay. It's not something that you can really sink your teeth into. What if the reason why they're pulling all of these back is to save the money to branch out to a different city? Oh, that's an interesting premise. I think, look, and then we'll jump into. Jersey. I think that the bottom line is I would imagine

there's some bigger plan being discussed right now where they're trying to figure out the next steps and I would imagine with the lack of BravoCon this year I'm assuming to replace that they're going to make a major announcement at some point throughout this year.

I have no inside information. That is all your saying speculation. I'm just saying that would make sense to me to get more buzz going to say, all right, we know that we've fallen short in a few of our shows. Here's our plan for next year. Since there's not a BravoCon, let's do something to give hope. Never mind.

I think I figured it out. They're not doing it because the Olympics are this year, and there's NBC Universal sinking billions of dollars into that. That makes the most sense. So they don't have the budget to let Bravo do things like that right now. That makes a whole lot of sense. But it doesn't mean that they're not going to draw up some plays here. They can do whatever they want.

Yeah, that's, yeah. never mind i take it back let's just look let's hope and pray that they have a plan to move forward with jersey with we don't want our our ogy shows to go away we just want them to make housewives great again make housewives great again like that's all we want anyhow anyhow let's jump into this week's episode this episode is brought to you by square you're not just running a restaurant you're building something big and square's there for all of it giving your customers more ways to order, whether that's in-person with Square Ciosk or online. Instant access to your sales, plus the funding you need to go even bigger.

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But we start out with Dolo and Frank and the family and it's a family dinner. I love when we get these scenes. So this was actually nice for me when we started out with them. I'm like, all right, cool. This will make me happy. Always love the Catania family dinner. Yeah, me too. And the fact that it's just the Catania's. I like when Paulie and Brittany are there. Don't get me wrong. But having just this core group together was nice. And they all get along so well. and Paul and Dolores are talking about moving because the townhouse is not Dolores' house. And meanwhile, Frank Jr. and Gabby are living in Dolos' house

with six dogs. Yep. So they're trying to figure out a new place to move, but she wants Polly to be divorced first. Now, later in this episode, she says that Paul is very protective of his people. Do you think that's, what's the reasoning behind the lack of a divorce over a decade.

I have no fucking idea. I can't. I mean, I understand, like, if he didn't want to get divorced before he was dating Dolo, because maybe he wasn't dating anybody that seriously, and he's like, what's the point? Yeah. And, you know, stay together for the kids type of deal, or, you know, there's probably some sort of benefits to it, whether it's, like, health insurance or whatever it might be. But at this point, I cannot fathom what the reasoning is.

I don't get it either. We don't know enough about Polly. Like, yeah, he's nice on screen. He's fine. He's fine. but we don't know enough about him to really figure it out. One of our... One of our Irish listeners reached out and said,

I forget what the name of the town was, and I'm sure I'd mispronounce it anyway, but he comes from a town in Ireland that is known for being a little bit tougher. That's all they said. They said, we don't know anything about him. It's in reference to the baseball bat scene last. Yeah, it's like he comes from a tougher town.

So I would love to know more about Polly. He is an interesting, interesting character. Like, I don't know what we're going to get from that, but I would love to know more, As far as the divorce goes, like, yeah, I mean, if you want to move forward with Dolores, you have to divorce your ex-wife. It's pretty simple. It's very straightforward. So I'm curious to see how that's going to move forward.

But we talk about Franks getting engaged, as we know, to Brittany. He pulls out, I thought it was costume jewelry. Yeah. Like that thing is, it's an 11-carat ring. Massive. 11 carrots. Carried it around in his pocket. Yeah, like loose.

Did he have a ring box? He did. I didn't see the ring box. I thought he just pulled it out of his pocket. And I was like, bro, that thing has to be like 11 carrots. How much is 11 carrots of diamond? Oh, God. I don't know.

$60,000, probably. At least. At least. Assuming it's not like a super, because if you're going with that many carrots, chances are you're not going. He's not a millionaire or a billionaire. So chances are you're not going with like the super clear diamonds.

Well, I would imagine that, you know, he's been single for a very long time. He's been on the show. He's been doing some other stuff. Not to. Oh, okay. I'm just saying he probably has more disposable income because he's been a single man for so long. So that would be my thought process. But I loved the scene when he gets down on his knee to pretend, propose. And everyone starts cheering for them. I'm like, oh, that was really sweet. But it was a fun scene to start out. So I had hope for this episode. But the next scene we get Fuda and Melissa and Danielle. And we're talking about the bougie kids fashion show, which this, I don't know. whole lot about New York Fashion Week. It seems like a big deal that she's closing out Fashion Week with Fuji Kids.

To my knowledge, there's a bunch of different events. It's not just one main event. I'm sure there is a main event. It's a main stage. There's a main stage, a main event, but there are a lot of offshoots. So this could be, I don't know if this is just, you know, a kid's line type of thing or whatever it might be. But closing it out seems important no matter what the event is, yeah.

Yeah, again, we're not fashionistas here, despite what Shooter may tell you, but I just gave you a lot of knowledge about fashion. week didn't I? It's pretty generic, honestly. I could have. You could have figured that out? There's multiple events that are encompassing. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. You could have figured that out? Probably. Maybe you figure it out next time, fashion guy. I don't, I don't appreciate to tell him right now, actually. So I need to do a simmer. But we're talking about a boogey brunch, and she's inviting everybody to it. Melissa points out that no one can even look at each other. Yep. But we do talk about Melissa and Jen Hating. They're going to have lunch. And

That brings up Daniel's falling out with her dad. And we don't know a whole lot about what went down between her and her brother. All of this is stemming from her relationship with her brother because the dad takes the brother's side. And then Melissa says, I would love to have my dad. That's all very touching and very sweet. But again, no information. No info. And as far as storylines go, it's like, all right, yeah, we would love for you to reconnect with your family.

That would be lovely. But are we going to get anything from this? Or is this more just how's it going? Okay, we'll check in in a few weeks and see how it's going again. I don't know. I remember from last season when she would bring this up all the time and we would speculate and we're like, look, just tell us what's going on so that we don't have to speculate because things are going to turn bad.

And things are starting to turn bad in my mind. I'm starting to think that Danielle is the issue here, that she started this. I think I've heard other people say that too. That's an easy comment denominator to point to. I like to stay away from speculating on family drama because you never know. Yeah, but here's the thing. We don't know anything and she won't share anything about her family. So I don't feel bad because I'm not taking a side here.

I'm just looking at the whole thing as a whole and realizing if you're not going to share any information about this and you're not even using the typical Bravo trope, oh, you know, there's a lot of legal things going on here that I can't talk about. You're just not sharing the information and you're a housewife on a show. I'm starting to think you're at fault. I know, I know. No, you're not. Look, it's a fair assumption. It's just, again, that's what happens when you don't let us in at all.

If you're not going to give us a hint, even, just a little hint as to what's going on with you and your family, people are going to start to assume the worst. We've seen it happen on multiple shows. When people are quiet about something, they end up being the bad guy, even if they're not. And then people say terrible things. summer house because Carl stayed quiet apparently had a pregnant mistress the next day after he broke up with with Lindsay so seems logical that's what happens when people stay quiet on these shows people are going to speculate as we are doing right now I'm not saying she's the common denominator I'm saying it's easy to point in that direction yeah so let us in just trying to figure out

let me in but we get a split scene coming up on one half we get Jen and Teresa they're going to I didn't realize that Bill had his own spot. That's the first time I saw Aden Plastic Surgery, and that might just be me not paying attention. Yeah, I think that too, just not paying attention. Probably. But they go to Aiden Plastic Surgery. They're getting facials.

And on the other side, we get Marge and Marge Senior and Joe Benigno. And Jen and Teresa are talking. Jen's upset at Bill for his conversation with Joe Gorga. We find out later, I don't think that she was upset that Bill was talking to Joe. I think she's upset that they reached out to Bill. and not her. I think it's both. Do you?

I don't. I think she's that. Well, just don't leave me out of things. Like, that's what I get from it. I think she is, yeah.

And she gets stuck on this whole Melissa thing, thinking, well, you know, I've tried to squash this and I've gone through so many different situations where you won't even talk to me.

But it's also you, Jen. So maybe in her mind she wanted to be reached out to. And we even said that at the time. Why are you reaching out to just Bill? At least in that conversation, say we'd like to, invite Jen as well and then Bill can translate to Jen and maybe she's not going to be

his butt hurt I think it's the whole thing and it goes down to it ends up with the softball game and it's just optics in this group everything is optics that's fair the husbands we've talked about it before they used to be enjoyable to watch when they would go on their little husband's trips now we're just getting annoyed by the whole thing when they go do things in this group that does not talk to each other and can't be in the same room if one crosses the line and they're goofing around and joking around, it looks bad for the wife. Yeah. I think that's what she's upset about.

I think, yeah, I think that it could be a little bit of both. You're right. And that's definitely part of it. But on Marge's side, we get Marge Sr. As post-op with an esophagus problem. Yep. We got an esophageal callback. Sutton should feel vindicated.

It's the year of the esophagus. It's the year of the esophagus, I suppose, but she's doing fine. But Marge starts to talk about Jackie and the fact that she was upset that she wasn't invited to Danielle's. Marge inserted herself there and stuck up for Danielle. Marge is just erratic right now. I don't know what's going on. I don't either.

And it could definitely be the Jan thing. It made me laugh later when Fessler's like, I don't think that's it, which is I was like, whoa, bold statement. But it's almost as though she's trying to do the most. And we're getting that from a lot of people on the show. Jen Aidan's doing the most. Fessler's doing the, ah, Fessler's just kind of in between. Fessler's being Fessler.

Food is doing the most for sure. That's what I meant to say. Food is doing the most. but Marge's like Jackie just like she thinks weird. The way her brain works is weird. If you go back to the scene it's not that weird that she's like, you didn't

invite me to your party because if you flip the script, you would be pissed if you weren't invited because you were pissed that you didn't get a book that she wasn't in charge of distributing. Yeah, I don't know what Marge's intention was there and I actually do kind of believe Fessler a bit. I think there's

a lot more going on than Just Jan. Yeah, I do too. Because she even said in this conversation, that it's starting to bleed into her marriage with Joe, which I put a little pin in, and I want to keep an eye on that as the season goes on, because we did hear some rumors that the marriage is a little on the rocks over the end. So that's something to look forward to. Not that sounds an interesting way to put it. Yep.

Interesting way to. God, I hate March. No, but her complaining about this, I don't know why she stood up for Danielle. There's always a play in mind when it comes to March. she could have it could easily be that she's pissed off about the book and she saw an opportunity to back somebody else who isn't necessarily team Teresa but she is there and you know what maybe I can take this one under my wing too I've got food over here she's chirping for me over here let me try to bring this one in and then I can turn her against Teresa and I'll stand up and do this that's probably the play but it took all eyes off of Danielle yeah I did now Jackie and Danielle are going to be fine because you're going to end up being a common enemy at some point nah they would won't we see later they're definitely not going to be okay but during the facial teresa and jen called jackie and it's wrong to talk about marge this is jacky speaking i don't want to talk about marge but marge doesn't check in and then marge on the flip side says jacky doesn't check in on me

and then jacky says i want to stand up for myself i also realize what jen and teresa are doing i'm not going to add fuel to the fire immediately followed with, it is nice to have friends, though. Yeah. So it's like, dude, you're falling into their trap. You are 100% fault. They're sitting there giggling at the fact that you are opening up after you said, I don't want to add fuel to the fire. Then you immediately add fuel to the fire by saying that Marge doesn't check in on you.

So I guess it's nice to have friends, but do you really want friends that after you hang up the phone, Teresa's like, I'm going to follow her again. I love, and I'm going to like a couple. I think that's hilarious. It's not, I mean, yeah, no, it's a very funny moment, but at the same time, it's like, that's who you want to align yourself with. It's not about that's who you want to align yourself with. The entire group does that.

The entire show does that shit. I know. And probably every housewife on Bravo does that, to be honest. I know they do. So I think it's funny that she did that. And that is how this plays as soon as you start talking to somebody else. I just love that Jackie in that moment takes a pause and then just continues to throw Marge under the bus and give Teresa and Jen this information.

that they could use against Marge in the future. They will, and they will. And then also a few weeks down the line in your confessional, do the exact same thing and say, I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but you are adding fuel to the fire. So you had time to think about this, and you were. Yeah.

And you just did the exact same thing. And now it's nice to have friends, which that's okay on this type of show because you have to do one or the other. You want to be friends with these people. You have to give up information about the other side. And that's how it's going to go, and that's how it's going to swing back and forth.

It is what it is, honestly, at the end of the day. Jackie's doing more, and I have no real problem with Jackie this season so far, except with like the Danielle Jackie thing that it was just annoying in the beginning. Now at this point, I'm like, all right, at least you're playing the game. You're doing something. I was, I had that mindset.

I had that same mindset until the end. And then I was like, oh, you don't know what you're doing. It doesn't mean she knows that she's doing. She's trying to play the game, though. She's trying to play the game, but like, all she's doing is trying to snuggle up to Teresa. That's her game plan here. And it's just like where you say, oh, at least you're playing the

to me it's just annoying that's like all right you're picking a different side now and now you're throwing everything out the window from before to be buddy buddy with teresa that annoys me when you completely ignore everything that's happened in the past and it's like oh i'm on your team now because i'm standing on my own two feet it would be much cooler if jacky was like i'm standing on my own two feet fuck everybody i'll figure out my way through this he doesn't have the power to do that i don't think so either but like that would stand out more to me than because it seems like a hollow claim when it's like I'm going to be friends with whoever I want to be friends with but you're trying to align yourself with the winning team that's not the same thing it's not the

same thing but that's how Jersey works yeah that's how this show works so I'm choosing to not complain about how the show works because we have to watch it anyway we have to talk about it so I'm just looking at it from a different perspective that's fair but the next scene is Teresa and Danielle Danny's getting ready for her bougie kids fashion event and we find out that she has invited Melissa to the show itself. Not everybody else is invited to the show. They're all invited to the bougie brunch, but it made it seem like Melissa is one of the very few other than her family that are actually going to the event. She has 10 tickets. So I'm not sure. I think in the scenes from next week, we saw a couple of the other housewives there. But Melissa's

definitely going. And I, that I'm actually excited to see Teresa's reaction to. Yeah. Especially after the brunch. I think that that's going to start to fall apart. And I think that we actually already know that they're not friends so that might be entertaining to see how that friendship devolves a little bit but i'm curious to see where it goes but everyone's invited to the bougie brunch like i said except for marge and fessler or sorry they're not going or is fessler not invited i wrote down fessler not invited she not invited why is pester not invited i didn't see that she wasn't invited maybe they're oh margin fessler aren't going going yeah not going that's a very important distinction especially in this group they're not going everyone else is going daniel had heard from

the doggy party that Jen Aiden was making fun of her as we saw and that nobody stood up for Teresa's first response is Jen's not a malicious person it's like oh really yeah because yeah she is and then that's when Danielle brings up last year's whole set up by Jen Aiden which was 100% just that

which also ran through Teresa Daniel's curious like why did she tell me that Melissa didn't know and Teresa's like I had no idea. You didn't have to repeat it, by the way. You put that little seed in there so that she would repeat it. That's the same thing that Jen Aiden did. You plant your seeds and then you watch them grow and you watch everything fall apart. I'm glad it's being brought back up because after the season premiere, I was like, oh, fuck, is everyone just cool now? We're not going to talk about

that shit because that was a pretty big deal. But those two, Teresa and Jen, are never going to admit fault. No, they're never going to admit fault. And that goes with what I was just saying, this is how the Jersey game is played, and that's how they've been doing it, so they see nothing wrong with it. And they found a newbie to just kind of latch, not latch on to, but feed some information and see what would happen. I don't think

that they planned on Danielle walking downstairs and saying it right away. I thought they figured she'd let it fester, maybe try to bring it up in the finale as a big moment. I mean, because she found out in Ireland. She told Melissa right in Ireland. Oh, fuck, that's right. Yeah, she went right downstairs and told Melissa.

Oh, yeah. So, no, I think That was the only thing that backfired on them. But I do think... I thought she told Melissa at the party at the end of the season. Oh. Oh. Yeah, no. They started talking about it right away. My bad.

But, no, it's fine. Yeah, so this whole thing, I am happy that it came back up because you do get to see... We talked about Danielle and what she was going to do in the off season after all of that happened because she tried to be everybody's friends. She got smoked. She tried to be friends with Fuda as a newbie. She got smoked by Fuda. She tried to nuzzle up a little bit to Teresa and Jen. she got thrown under the bus.

She tried to do anything with Marge. Marge starts pulling up things and asking questions about your family. She learned quick how everything operates, how everything works. So we thought that maybe she would go into this, just trying to be clean the whole season, focus on my little fashion thing here, do this, move forward, try to be friends and cope aesthetic with everybody, and not make too many waves. Instead, she wants to get her get back from last year. I'm okay with that.

I'm okay with that because that's something at least. Yeah. And in the last scene, we'll get there eventually. But in that last scene, she doesn't seem to put up with a whole lot of bullshit. Like, she's not afraid to speak up now. And I like that. So maybe that's going to be a positive for this season. Like, maybe we look towards what the newbies are doing, if that's going to be the future of the show.

Again, like we talked about before, we got into the episode, if you whack all of the OGs off the show, I don't think it's going to work very well. No, it's just not going to work because the fans are going to be furious. Yeah, you have to get rid of all of them. I do wonder though And I know that And we've seen it too Melissa has been there For the

The boozy kids of it all Like last year Just talking to Danielle About what she wants to do And what her idea is Talking her up Doing that sidewalk thing But

Did Danielle know That she was going to do this To Jen and Teresa And then also loop in Melissa to go to the show And say I'm actually on your side I don't know. It's because it's all playing out within a week.

I don't know. And I'm not, I'm not against. I'm not against calculations. Like, I'm not at all. If you're going to try to wheel and deal a little bit, that's not a problem. The problem is when it's clearly fake. Like, that's the issue.

If you're trying to set up a plan, like get a plan in motion, love that. So if that does happen, great. That would be really interesting to see. Like, that would be fun. And Danielle would be stepping up a little bit. But we get Melissa and Jen Aiden

and finally sit down to have, their lunch together. We saw this, I believe, last year, they tried to do the same thing. We've seen it in the past multiple times. These two try to mend this bridge between them. That seems to be unendable. But Melissa points out that, look, we both have our reasons. And something's wrong. We've done this before. And Jen's like, well, you're no saint. And this is all about self-reflection. You are the least self-reflective person on this cast. And that's saying a lot. That's saying a whole lot because nobody in this cast is self-reflective. she has never done anything wrong even when she rewatches the season of her doing something wrong. She's not in the wrong. And in this moment, she claims that she didn't spread any rumors.

It's like, dude, we watched you all last season spreading the same fucking rumor about Melissa without letting it slip that Melissa knew. And she gives some roundabout response as to why she did that because, like, Louis knew or Louis told Joe and Joe,

I don't even know. The whole, yeah, the, She was just trying to say that Joe had told Louie about this, and then Louis talked to me and Teresa about it, so we had to verify it. And then I think she even backtracked a little bit and said something about Marge being involved in Marge knowing. Marge was the one that started the rumor, according to her.

Yeah, so I don't even think she knows where the rumor came from. That's the whole thing that I got. I think what it goes back to is isn't Marge the one that opened the door and allegedly saw Melissa do it? No, it was somebody close to Marge had seen it. and then report it back tomorrow. Okay, and then Marge told somebody and then whispered down the lane,

and that's where we got here. The funniest part is she tries to put it on Danielle. Yep. She's like, Danielle pressured me. We watched the season. No, all she pressured you to do was tell Melissa because it's a scathing indictment of her marriage and something she should probably be aware of.

Little did we know if she was already aware of it. And the conversations you see between Danielle and Jen last year about this where Jen's like, oh, you can't tell, you can't tell her, are her trying to get Danielle to tell her. So for you to sit there now and claim, like, oh, I had no hand in this. I didn't want that rumor spread. I didn't want it coming out.

That's exactly what you wanted because that's exactly what Teresa wanted. And if anyone thinks that Jen Aden isn't just simply Teresa's mouthpiece, one, check all the shit about the content creators. I will bring that up every single episode because the middleman was Jen Aden. And two, watch the last scene of this episode

when Teresa's going back and forth with Fuda, who's the first person to speak up? Not Teresa. Jen Aiden on behalf of Teresa. Yeah. She literally is her puppet. She's her little mouth-ease. But I do think that if you're just nice to Jen,

and I think that Melissa may have figured this out, if you're nice to Jen and you just try to do something, there is a chance that she could be your friend. Oh, because she's massively insecure and just wants friends. She is massively insecure, and I think that Teresa has already identified that and has kept her close to be her mouthpiece and to do all of these things. And she doesn't see it as manipulation because Teresa is a friend that she can call whenever she wants. That's what it all is.

So I think Melissa realizes that by the end of this conversation. And we realized it too. If you just sit there and take her insults for a little while. Melissa, not Teresa. Yeah, Melissa, I'd realize that. If you just sit there and take her insults for just a little while and talk about your husband's limp dick or whatever you're going to do and then get through it, she's going to stop talking and you can say, hey, we can find a common ground here.

I'll be a little bit nicer. I'll make a couple of jokes and make you laugh. I'll call you every once in a while. Jen would be in on that. Yeah, great, cool, whatever, but. Well, that would make for a very interesting dynamic. It would make for interesting dynamic. We get to watch Jen try to flounder between Teresa and Melissa.

Melissa being really nice to her and then Teresa not knowing how to act with Jen and Melissa hanging out. Yeah, but that's Melissa's biggest flaw is that she makes amends with people and then immediately would go to another friend group and talk. shit about the person she's made up with she did oh she doesn't if she doesn't but she can't not she can't not we haven't seen her do that before yeah so i'm just trying to figure out a way forward with this no i understand that but i i'm looking for fucking chaos honestly that you know what at this point yeah just open it all up just fucking burn it down and see what happens like that would be

also very entertaining but melissa wants to move forward jen wants to move forward jen apologizes for the rumor which is you are now taking credit for all of of it. I don't know if you realize that. But you apologize for the rumor, which means you do feel guilty for it. But whatever, we move on to Marge, Melissa, and Fessler. And this is where Marge says, you know, ever since Jan's death, because Fessler points out, you just, something's off with you. It doesn't seem like you've been yourself.

So, look, Jan's death has really thrown a wrench into everything. And him being alive actually made my marriage better. And the loss of Jans putting a strain on Joe and I, this is where Fessler's, steps in and goes, I think that there's more happening. Like, this is happening regardless of that. I don't know what's going on with you, but something deeper is going on. And brings up Jackie again. And Fessler is stuck, and rightfully so, stuck on the fact that Marge is pissed at Jackie

because she's friends with Teresa. That's your issue with her, which is her talking about herself as well. Like any issues that we've had is because I am trying to play middle ground here and play Switzerland, I think that may be one of the bigger flaws of this show is when the people are down the middle. Leave them alone. You can have factions, right, but you need to have people that can go between without fear of reprimand so that you can have the groups interact in some capacity. That's assuming that the castmates are actually thinking about the well-being of the show and not their own agendas, which is not going to happen on this show. That's fair. But

Melissa says that Jen Aden threw Danielle onto the bus because of March. And this is where she starts to reenact the scene and make fun of Jen Aden. And it's like, look, do you want to move forward? Do you not want to move forward? And this is where you start to question Melissa's intentions because she's on this side trying to be like, I don't have time for the bullshit this year, especially with Teresa, leave me out of it. Meanwhile, you're trying to mend this gap with Jen Aiden. And last episode, that was an important thing.

The way you approached her at the softball game seemed very genuine. Hey, this has been going on long enough. Let's figure this out one way or the other. You had the moment. You had the moment in which you can potentially move forward. Yeah, you had to sit there and get insulted by Jen Aden for a little bit. But you reached a common ground where you can go forward and for the show's well-being, for Melissa's well-being, for entertainment value.

if you're able to be friends with Jen, like you said, that would be entertaining. Now you have Teresa's mouthpiece going back and forth trying to figure out her friendship between Melissa and Teresa. Yep. That I would watch. Yeah, that would work a lot better than what this is right now. Yeah, it's setting her up and then making fun of her. Here's the thing, and I know it's actually kind of funny because you're going to do this

every episode where you bring up the content creators. I'm going to think every episode there's no reunion. Yeah. So they must have scrapped the reunion. because who cares? I'm assuming that there's no way that we can go forward. There's nothing, nothing is ever going to change.

We need to figure something else out because this isn't working. So all of my hopes and dreams of maybe finding some sort of middle ground here is out the window. Yeah, but we can't do that because we have to continue to talk. I know, I know, I know. But that is, that's not just you. That's an interesting point because a lot of people have said in the comments and about Jersey, what's the point?

Because if there's no reunion, it's not that you can't have a season without. a reunion. If you cancel a reunion, that points to this season's not worth having a reunion for it. So it's like, well, then why are we watching? And people have said that. A lot of people say in our comments, especially on YouTube, they're like, I'm going to continue listening to you guys. Thank you, by the way. Super cool. I know. How about that? The right camera. I wanted to make it look like we had a couple cameras here. No, because that makes me sound lazy because we never do two angles. Yeah, we never do. Yeah. So. mute. You looked at the wrong camera.

Yeah, I looked at the wrong camera. I was trying to help out your argument there, but no, it's just people said that they were listening but not watching. People are checking out of the show. That's what happens when you say the reunion was canceled. Not that there never was a reunion, just we're not going to do it. What do you think is better? There's no reunion because the producers realize that there's no way forward with this group and there's no resolution that could ever be hit, which is what we were told, by the way, that there's just no resolution and that's what reunions are for. I think that's kind of bullshit? Is it because the season is boring and there's no reason to have that? Or is it truly

because we're never going to get any sort of common ground here and the reunion is just a shit show? Yes. Okay. That's what I thought. Both. Both. I know yes, Matt. Yeah, I just was clarifying for our listeners just in case. But yeah, I think that it's a combination of both. It's like there's not a whole lot to talk about. It's the same storylines that we've been talking about for years and years and years and there is no resolution now could you argue that a one part reunion where you just fucking lighted on fire and watch them go they just scream at each other i would watch that to see what would be resolution for us yeah like that would be something but it's not even you guys really fucking hate each other it's not even worth that and then you pause it right after that like

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engagement, the 11-carat ring, all that stuff. They talk about Polly's divorce. We already discussed that, but this is where Danielle is trying. And I appreciate that Danielle's trying, to your credit. I appreciate that Jackie's trying to get in the mix. I do appreciate Fuda's efforts. I think they are clumsy at times because her and John Fuda latch on to the wrong insults. Yeah.

Even in this reading that she does of Teresa, which was pretty solid for the most part. It was only solid, though. like you broke it down with specifically what she said and it's like none of that's true no well i mean some of it is the the but the drop in of what have you done like that's yeah like that part i feel like that negates every good thing that she may have said it doesn't negate it it definitely softens the blow significantly but daniel brings up lena at the dog party and I like that she's upset that the two quote unquote friends present didn't just simply stand up for I also really like that she said of course she's on the VIP who the fuck is she I was like oh okay

so that's a different aspect of this yeah because we're under the guise of they must be tight it sounds like she does her hair and she's like oh here's a ticket come on out yeah it wasn't that deep and they're making it seem like oh yeah she shunned me right because if they're not that close and that's just your hairdresser and then all of a sudden you look at the VIP you're like what the fuck is she doing in there, get her out. That's a good point. I just love that Jen's explanation as to, no, I wasn't making fun of you. I'm just very emotional, and I tend to throw my hands up.

I like to reenact things. I like to reenact things to that you really understand what's going on. No, Jen, you can't do that. That's a caricature of someone, which is making fun of them. Yes, and Teresa, oh, go ahead. I just don't think that she understands how that works. No, she doesn't. That's, that is mocking.

She's like, I didn't mock you. I reenacted you. It's like, that is the definition of mocking. You're making fun of her by pretending to be her. And I don't think that she would watch that scene back and go, oh, I like that portrayal of me. Thanks, Jen. Yeah. Spot on.

It was pretty good. It was decent. The impression was decent. No, it is. I will give Jen that. Her impressions are very decent. Yeah, they're pretty solid. But that's where Daniel reiterates.

I just want you guys to stick up for me. Teresa immediately gets defensive. Don't come at me. I don't even know what happened. Like, I'm not going to speak up on your being. half because I don't know the situation. It's like if you're her friend, then you at least ask questions. You don't sit there in silence and let this dragging occur, but that's what you did because you're not actually friends. She is a chess piece that is no longer playing for your team

so you don't really give a fuck what happens. Plus, let's think about how that scene actually broke down. Lena was sitting there telling the story, but she needed Jen to urge her along. Jen introed it. Yeah. She forgot the setup. This was all a fucking set up to begin with. A whole scene. If it wasn't like that, then yeah, I could get it. You're going to sit back and not ask questions and just be like, oh, yeah, I don't know. And maybe not laugh at things.

Okay, whatever. That's as far as housewives go, I don't really care about that. But you didn't do that. And it's very clear that this was a setup. And again, we talk about Jen all the time. If Jen was a little more competent, sure, maybe we might, we might give her some credit and say she had this thing set up. She did this whole thing herself. But Jen is not a competent person.

She doesn't do anything without your go ahead. Yeah, seriously. It's just too clear for you to do that. And I would have respect for it if Teresa were to sit back and just let things play out when she was whispering in Jen's ear. Sure. But we look at Jen right away and say she's not capable of this. No, no. She does what Teresa wants her to do.

But I appreciate that. Danielle just flat out asked both of them, did you guys set me up? Not just you, Jen. Like, Teresa, were you involved too? Did you two set me up? and Daniel's like, I want to believe you both because they're both like, no. Yeah.

No, of course we didn't. And this is Teresa's M.O. This is what drives me nuts with her. When she gets backed into a corner, she gets defensive and goes, if anything, Marge sets you up, and don't come after my family. I'm not going to talk about my family. It's like, nobody's talking about your family.

Unless you're considering Melissa, your family, which would be weird. That would be very strange. But the fact that, like, this doesn't involve your family. Yeah. This has nothing to do with it. This is about a rumor that you two planted in her ear. And now you're saying, don't come after my family.

That's, that's nonsense. That's nonsensical. I think that's where it gets murky, too, because even Jen had said that Louis heard it from Joe, but then Marge is also involved. So that tells me that you've got a little bit of a guilty conscience here thinking, Louis started this. Oh, is that where that came from? Maybe. I don't fucking know. I'm trying to figure it out myself.

It's very confusing. but we get to the Marge and Jackie drama at the game. We seemingly move on from that, which I was actually a little bummed that Danielle didn't continue to press on like what the fuck happened. I think we will when Marge is there. Maybe, but then like it just blows up and she starts saying horrible things to people and nothing gets accomplished.

That's what happens on this. That's where, again, it falls short because there is never resolution. We don't need resolution consistently. You don't get it. on a lot of shows, but you do get some. Maybe not resolution, but more information. More information. At least just tell me how you feel and why you did what you did.

And if you say at the end of the day, I have no regrets, I respect that. That's cool with me. But you never get the information because they end up just hurling insults at each other. Exactly. And people get defensive and say, I'm not going to talk about that. Don't talk about my family. Go fuck yourself. There's never any.

Yeah, you're right. You don't get, there's no further peek behind the curtain. We need info so that we can come to our own opinions. Yeah. And there's not enough. That's the big thing. There's not enough information given to us. You're right.

Where it's like, now I can formulate an opinion on where I stand on this thing because... No, what we need is Bo Dietl. Yo, get Deeds back out here. By the way, did you know Bo Deedle was in Wolf of Wall Street? That's the least surprising news ever. He's the guy who calls Jordan when Jordan is taking a Kualud and going to the country club. and has to call him, and then he climbs into the car, an iconic scene. It is very iconic.

Bo Dietl is who calls him and says, hey, you need to call me from a different phone so we can talk about this. Oh, right? How about that? Was Bo Dietel involved with the actual Jordan Belford? Yeah. Oh, that was like, wow. Yeah. Deep.

Mm-hmm. Bo Dietl. Bo Dietz. How about that? Yeah, what a guy. Getting deep with Bo Dietl. That would be a good podcast. Why not, Bo?

Getting deep with Deedle. Getting deep with Deedle. Maybe we'll start that and pretend to be Bo Dietel. The cease and desist immediately. Yeah, then he's going to dig into our financials and all this other shit. But back to the Mards and Jackie drama. Teresa shouts across the table, don't trust her, Jack. And this is where Jackie bows up her chest stands up and is like, I'm going to be friends with whoever I want to be friends with.

And Teresa's response, that's how it should be. You just told her to not trust Marge. But now you're saying you should be friends with everybody. That doesn't make any sense. This is once again where I get super confused. There's no tact. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's not even like a, and I do think that,

because Teresa even said that to Danielle a couple episodes ago, go, yeah, of course, like do whatever. I don't really care. It's just that I'm not going to be with them. So on some level, Teresa might think that, but you operate in a completely different way. I think it was more of a shot at the other side because it's very clear that they're telling people

who they can and can't be friends with. So I think that was more of a shot at that point. Oh, I see what you're saying. It really makes zero sense at all based off how everybody on this show operates. But you're saying it has nothing to do with the current moment. It's about something. It's another shot. Yeah.

Okay. That makes more sense to me. It's still random as shit, but okay, at least there's some kind of train of thought there. But we get to Fuda, and Fuda starts clapping back about the drug dealer thing. And Teresa says, I guess. it like I understand blah blah blah and starts to almost say the victim thing and this is where it annoys me because yeah you understand quote unquote because you went to prison too but you're the one that brought this whole thing up you're the one that started the drug dealer thing and

you knew exactly what you were doing when you said that he was the biggest drug dealer in bergen county or whatever and bergen county is that what it was yeah all that reminds have you seen trolls yeah with the bergans oh yeah about that uh huh Yeah, so he's apparently dealing drugs to trolls. The trolls, yeah. Yeah, so. Checks out. Interesting.

But, like, she knew what she was doing. She said that, and she knew that it would cause speculation as to what he's doing now. We found out that the drug dealing charge was for weed. Like, it's not like he was out there spinning coke and shit. Like, he was selling weed. Oh, there could be more out there. Who knows? I'm not going to speculate on that.

It just wasn't, like, when it came to that, like, we, yeah, we heard that it was the weed thing. And then there's more that potentially could have come out. I don't care It was fucking 25 years ago I just don't give a shit Everybody on these shows has done questionable things Teresa went to jail More recently than John Fuda

Who cares? Unless it's like in the present I just don't give a shit And you can hurl all your insults But making it a sticking point And making it a storyline That we're going to talk about the entire season I just don't give a shit Well that's not the problem

It's not the fact that you and I don't give a shit It's the fact that some of these toxic fucking accounts have latched on to John Fuda, and whether you like him or not, the fact that they're trying to delve deeper and deeper into this man's history to find out what he did in the past, with no regard for the fact that their Queen Teresa went to fucking prison recently.

Like, that is completely glossed over, but you're trying to dig up dirt on John fucking Fuda, which, by the way, at this point, you would have found it. He is a businessman now. He provides for his family. I'm not saying you need to love the guy, but fuck me.

Like, that's what drives me nuts about this show and this fucking fan base. It's like, when do you win when you ruin a life? Is that when you can raise your hand and go, we got him? Yeah. We fucking got him. It's a TV show. He's on TV for our entertainment. And I'm not a food to stand.

I'm just saying, like, at what point is it too far? At what point do you stop the hypocrisy and look at the grand scheme of things and say, you're trying to find police reports from when he was 19 or 20 years old? Yeah. Meanwhile, Queen Tree is fucking over here. She just went to prison within the last 15 years. As a grown-ass woman, as Fuda points out. And that's where Fuda was killing it.

Go after that. That's your sticking point. Say that shit. You went to prison as a grown-ass adult. My husband went to prison as a child, period. Instead, you go too far and you say, what the fuck have you done? It's like a lot. A lot.

The show that you're on exists because of her. Yeah, so you can't do that. it's the same thing as continuing to say to her she's a has-been she is not i don't like teresa but she's not a has-been and she's done a whole lot so you got to give that's where food it would get a lot of points is giving credit where credits do right but then trying to topple the queen like that would be a lot different than taking the approach of you're washed because she's not washed like she is the only reason jersey hasn't canceled yet the only fucking reason is because Teresa Judeyce is on the show.

Like it or not, that's why there still is a show. And that's, I just realized why there cannot be another season. Because the entire season would just be about paying content creators. And I don't want to deal on that shit. Oh, you know what? I bet that is a big part of it. It's going to be the whole thing. Yeah.

And that wouldn't be fun because then you're crossing too many, you're breaking like a fifth wall at that point where you're going to have to address that and content creators are going to go on the defense and then we're going to be, oh my God. Did you imagine that shit's still on Instagram? I don't want to deal with that. I don't want to read that. I don't know.

Scroll through it. The fact that I've read about it as much as I have is annoying. The fact that they want to cross these lines to ruin these shows sucks. I think you're right. I think that might have been the big caveat for not having another one. But I did like the line of you brought yourself up by tearing other people down. I thought that was a good dig. Like she had some good ones.

But she fall short, fell short with the has been stuff. But she even lists examples. like Jackie's marriage and now Jackie comes out of nowhere and goes I don't give a fuck it's like we probably should that's a pretty big deal and now you want to be buddy buddy with teresa to try to stay relevant to find your way back on this failing show interesting approach but it also that's where she lost me because I agreed with you up until that point where I'm like all right cool but if you can't stand on anything and you're going to completely backpedal after she went after your marriage and Melissa reminds you of it and you're like I'm going to be friends

is whoever wanted no no no no you can be friends with teresa but you have to have a backbone and say hey this was fucked up we can move forward but this is don't don't give her a pass especially when we've seen you bitchy and moaning about it simple we dealt with that would have landed a lot better yeah instead of just like you can't tell me to be friends no she's not saying that but like i don't know man but dolo warns food of what's to come like this is going to faster she's going to come for you i do like that food is not scared of her. I like that she's like, who gives a fuck?

She's, like, incompetent. She's emotionally stupid. Flash to the other side of the table. Jackie's like, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. Are you now the defender of Teresa? Are you now taking on Jen Aden's role? Jen's tired. She's been doing it for so long.

Jen's not tired. Somebody can step in. Oh, dude, that was such a weird moment. She lost me again. I'm like, who are you? You're a friend of trying to find your way back and not doing a good job of it. So, like, yeah, keep your mouth closed. Let's get to some goddamn questions.

This is actually kind of funny. This is from Jill 123-244. Have you considered just for playing your podcast for Roanjay every week? At this point, the episode is exactly the same, so the recap applies each week. We've discussed it. No. Let's just redo it.

No, we'll always do this because we love you. From LH-503, do you feel like canceling the Ronejay reunion feels like they are letting tree and Jen off the hook? I think that's the content creator thing. Maybe that's actually a better point. The reunion could be canceled because of that. It could definitely be a part of it because the biggest thing is if they don't

address the content creators during the season, that would take over the reunion. Yeah. That would be the only thing they talk about, really. I think the bigger thing here is Bravo's probably tried to figure out how to deal with that because that seems like a pretty big misstep on their part. So they're probably trying to keep it under wraps, maybe. I don't know. That's an interesting point.

From MDC 004, we should enact term limits for cast members by Teresa, by Kyle, by Sandoval, hell, by Jermaine. Hey, Jermaine. I love that they call them Jermaine. Limits is kind of funny, but I mean, where we just said it out. Yeah, it's not everybody falling short. I mean, yes, I do agree that at some point a show and a cast and a mainstay for the cast. they do kind of run their course. But there's nothing you can really do that to protect against that.

You can't fire your stars. Yeah. From LG Warrior for Life, do you think Jackie is the new Sheena 2.0 trying to secure a full-time spot? Fuck yeah. Great call. Yeah, that's really good. That's a really funny call.

Well done. What do you think LG is? LG Warrior for Life. LG Warrior for Life, yep. LaGuardia Warrior? I don't know. A LaGuardia? LaGuardia.

Oh, and we'll do one more here from AJJ 265. Do you think Jersey fans will really give a reboot a chance? No. I don't think so. No, you thought Ronnie was hard to rebut? Here's the thing. I do think that there are a majority of us that do like Jersey as a show, and we like the premise of the show.

We've enjoyed it before. It's just gotten to a point where I think there's an upper layer here that is just doing this. the team shit and just shouting back and forth at each other and doing a lot of toxic stuff, a reboot would get rid of them. They're still going to be annoying on Twitter, but they won't be relevant because they're not talking about a show that's actually on. So if you remove that, then the rest of us might be able to give it a shot.

Valid point. That's one of those things where it's like the majority is not the people screaming and causing a stir on socials. The majority is where we land in the middle where it's like, can we just have an entertaining season and stop with all this team bullshit and stop. trying to ruin lives on social media because that's fucking crazy. So, yeah, actually, that's a valid point. Maybe the reboot will root out a lot of that drama where we don't have to like see hate

messages on Twitter anymore. Yeah, give it a chance. Take your time. Take a full year, maybe two off. Take a long pause. Yeah, take a long pause from all Jersey things. Let it die out for a bit and then bring back a reboot. Yes, there's still going to be annoying people that are just yelling and clamoring for

Teresa. But by that point, she'll be on Amazon Live. Lala. Or she'll have a spin. Like, Teresa gets a spinoff because she's Teresa. Yeah, exactly. And that's fine. And if you choose to watch that, you can choose to watch that.

We'll probably have to watch it. But if you want to watch that, go ahead and watch it. I think that, look, she's a reality star for a reason. If you remove her from the same bullshit over and over, I'm not a Teresa fan. I'm not like, oh, give me a Teresa spinoff. But there's a reason that she is who she is. So if you get her in a different environment, maybe you get that entertaining Teresa again, where it's like, oh, this is why we fell in love with her on TV.

same with the rest of the cast I don't know if there's another avenue for any of the like Dolores there's a place for Dolores somewhere if she wants to continue like that's what I mean you have people on this show that are capable of delivering the current setup that they're in makes that impossible

so then yeah I think yeah I don't fucking know that's all I got you got anything no you sad I'm just frustrated yeah I'm frustrated but no that's all i got you anything else nope i'm good well boston we will see you next week that is sold out i'm sorry to everybody out there didn't buy a ticket but we will have more shows in

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