Bros & Shows - Fuda Wants Fessler to Pick a Side (RHONJ Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

What's up Bros? It Jersey time once again and in todays episode, Danielle is getting Valentina new headshots as she preps her to become a star. Meanwhile, both families are getting ready to send their daughters off to college. What's highlighted relentlessly in this episode, each family (the Gorgas and the Rules) talks at length about how amazing their individual families are. It has now become a competition of who's inherited family is better than the others. Fessler continues to play Switzerland but is open to having conversations and relationships with Teresa. Her allegiance seems to be to Marge Jr. but her having a relationship with Teresa is causing some issues for Fuda. At pickle ball, Fuda draws a firm Line in the sand against Teresa and her camp. Rachel has apparently swapped roles with Melissa this year as it has quickly become Fuda's vs. Teresa. It ends at a celebration of life event for Nate who had previously had a cyst removed from his brain and although things go well, this is where we see tension between Rachel and Fessler when Fessler goes off to clear the air with Teresa. Whose side are you on? are you enjoying this season or is it a re-run of all the same BS we've watched for years at this point? Join BravBros Members at: https://thebros.memberful.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But let's get into some jersey in this nothing episode that we watched. And I want to address something because we got a review on it. And we need to start doing our Rose and Thorne again. We have started doing so many episodes a week that I simply forgot. I don't know what day of the week it is. Yeah, so we will bring that back at some point, but this is kind of in that realm only because we got a review where somebody called out the fact that with OC we said it, with Jersey we said it, that they need to just like stop these shows and change them entirely or cancel them. Now, I think that it's important to note we seem to have joined Bravo in a transitional period because they're trying a lot of new things and it's not the classic Bravo of old, like the Bravo of lore. there's a lot of things happening right now that a lot of the fans are not happy with. So we are not happy with it either, not because people are talking about it, but we're watching it. And the general consensus about Jersey is the majority of Jersey fans, not the crazy ones that talk all this crazy shit on Twitter, but the average Jersey fan is getting sick and tired

of seeing the same fucking season every single year. Yeah, and it's starting to play out exactly how we thought it would where the majority of these scenes are the two different groups. One group will not shut the fuck up about the other person, the head of the other group. The other group, actually, I'm starting to lean towards, again, and I said this last week, at least when we see Teresa with her friends, they don't tend to talk about Marge and everybody else. They tend to talk about other things going on in their lives, which is fine, but it's not fun

to watch. It's just boring. Not this episode. Yeah, not this. It's kind of, I don't know. There's only two episodes, yeah. But it's just, we're two episodes in, and we're all. already seeing what we thought was going to happen where we're just getting, all right, here's

a scene where Melissa and Marge are doing this. Here's a scene where Teresa and Jennifer are doing this. And then at the end of the episode, they all kind of come together. And then you see a little bit of drama. But that's not enough to push the season. And I'm still afraid that the first scene from this season was something that happened three months down the line. That just tells me that this is a boring ass season.

Somebody commented, and it's not a bad comment. They did the same thing with Roslich. and that was a banger. I have, I don't have high hopes. I don't have high hopes at all. They let off with the finale in Ross Lake. Yeah, they did. One of the best seasons of Housewives ever.

But I'm a pessimist, so I'm going to say that Bravo is becoming self-aware, and they realize that that did really well. So now they're just trying to push it. Yeah. So they're like, oh, let's do it with all these shows. I could see that, but what I'm getting from this season is they're just trying to replace Melissa with the Fudas. Yeah.

Because Melissa won't engage. I don't know if they're trying. to or the foodas are trying to, but something's happening. Put it all together and then talk about how overproduced this show is and how much people are trying to move behind the scenes. They could have, honestly, and we don't like to play this game, we try to

stay away from the production aspect other than Vanderpump because, I mean, you had to call it out. I could easily see Bravo production going to the foodas in the off scene and saying, hey, you guys are taking center stages. You versus Theresa, this year, buckle up. And that sucks. It's definitely a possibility,

but now we can't even discuss us the opportunity of, okay, Melissa needs to take a step away and not be on the show anymore because nothing's going to change at that point. Marge is still going to be anti-Tresa, and she's really the one who's the figurehead for all of this leading against Teresa, and now the Fudas are taking a step up against Teresa, so it's just going to be the same shit. I don't know what you do. You can let everybody just go and then bring in a whole new cast, but I just don't know.

I don't think there is a right answer with all of us. Well, what kind of blows my mind with the whole thing when you look at the two factions facing off against each other, all the drama that we've seen in social media, the things coming out about food dealing drugs. I really genuinely wonder if at the end of all of this, let's say that one of these smear campaigns really works. Let's say you take down a family. Like you really take down a family.

All this shit comes out. They get fired. They lose their jobs, houses, all of that stuff. They have kids. Like, are you really going to be happy with that end result? On either side. Depends on who you ask. That's crazy.

I know one person who probably would be fine with it. Who? Marge Jr. Oh, yeah. I don't think that she would lose a lick of sleep. I don't, I don't think so either. But I just,

that's what I come back to and then have to remind myself, this is reality TV. Is it really worth destroying a livelihood on either side of the street for ratings? No. I don't think that's the angle that they should take. No, it's not. And I just don't know. There's, again, there's no rating.

answer to this. It's just, it's tough to watch. And the whole thing right now is we're spending a lot of time doing like the preamble about this show and the general state of it because there's nothing to talk about. Like aside from what happened at the end of this episode, we, you could argue that we don't even need to talk about any of the shit that happened in the beginning. It's just so much filler and so much of the same shit that we see all the time. And like, I get it. We talk about this in other shows where we want to know what's going on in people's lives. We want to be at birthday parties. We want to be at whatever else might be going on with, you know, Danielle and Nate. And of course, that's a nice story. But when there's nothing of substance, I don't

give a shit. No, there needs to be, those need to be reprieved moments. They need to be the filler scenes. Yeah. Not the main stage. Correct. But let's dive into this one. We start out with Danielle and the family, they're doing a photo shoot for Valentina because she's getting into modeling or acting. Modeling. It's all encompassing. It's all encompassing. The child star route. Child Star Round always makes me uncomfortable. I don't like the child's not. I don't like it at all. I don't like the Child Star. Danielle's talking about how, like, this is just how I drew it up.

This is exactly what's going to happen. Valentina is going to be a star. She's going to be a movie. She's going to win an Oscar. And it starts now. And she needs to get her headshots done again because the last time we did headshots, she was two. I did not like that. I don't care for it.

I like Danielle. I like Daniel's family. But, yeah, child actor is child star. I don't like it. I don't like the round. Nope. Just look at the. state of most child actors when they get older it's just it's a it's a scary route okay i hope that

it all works out everything goes well it's just yeah i agree with you but we find out about Nate had a cyst in his brain well six years ago yep and obviously a very scary experience but this is the celebration of that it's been six years since that happened so daniel wants to throw like a celebration of life party for him yeah when i saw the celebration of life thing before we got this scene, I was very confused. Yeah, well, we didn't have any pretext. Yeah, typically that's when somebody passes away, so I was confused. Oh, that's actually a good point.

The celebration of life. Yeah, that's a nicer way of saying. This is a literal celebration of life. I was very confused. Look, it's a very nice sentiment. I was just confused beforehand. And she frames it as like a middle ground. And hopefully this can just, people have perspective and they won't cause a scene.

Yeah. No. No. No. I mean, Danielle has done a good job of finding herself being in an amicable relationship with everybody else. She's in the worst position possible. Literally. She thinks she's in a really good position because she can talk to everybody and people don't actively hate her.

I guess, for the most part, aside from Jackie, who we still understand why she hates her because she feels like she took her job. She did. She did take her job because Jackie didn't do anything. But otherwise, she can talk to both sides. which is nice, but you're going to get thrown under the bus first. Look at Fessler. Yep. She got it immediately.

What's they're done with Fessler? They're going to move on to you. Yeah, like Fessler had one conversation with Teresa, and Fuda knows that they're friends, and it was still like a stab in the back according to Fuda. So she's in the worst position possible, but she's hoping that this could be a nice night. We get a little glimpse again where she talks about her brother

and her relationship with him, and now it's leaking into her relationship with her dad. It's a lot of family drama with Danielle and her crew. But moving on from there, we get Dolos and Polly. We get an update on what Dolo's up to. She's getting ready to get her real estate license again so that she can sell some houses, which would be nice. And her biggest thing is ever since she has been divorced from Frank,

there was a period of time where she was not financially independent, never wants that to happen again. Thought it was interesting that she brings up the divorce again. Yeah, well. Not divorced. Still not divorced, but what am I going to do? I think it bugs her. It definitely bugs her.

She brings it up. And she talked about how everybody else has questions about it basically every day. I think you also have questions about it every day. You're just not voicing those. And it just comes to show. They probably have. They probably have had this conversation. She doesn't get answers.

So now it's like one of those things where it's like, are you going to do it? Silling over to her confessional? Yeah. Just eating at her, which sucks because I love Dolores. Yeah, it sucks. And I love Polly too. because when Polly goes right into this conversation saying, I didn't know what Italian guys

were so soft, fun. Yeah, that's funny. Love it. Because you know what? They are very soft on this show. Oh, on this show. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. I'm not calling out Italians in general. You just went to Italy. Had a really nice time. I had a love to get a jacket. Why are you to bring it up every time? Because I wouldn't need to get the damn jacket.

Somebody offered to buy it for me in our DMs. They said, we're going to Italy family trip. Where was the jacket? If we see it, we can pick it up for you. And I said, that's so sweet. Thank you for thinking of me spend that money on yourselves yeah well you're a better man than i am i know that jacket that everybody knows that but yeah no but i i love that polly can sit in this conversation after what we saw happen at jenn fessler's surprise party where fooda and lou or louis

christ it doesn't matter fooda who the fuck cares fooda and joey are sitting there just trying to bait polly because they know that he's kind of close to louis he's just a normal person he's just trying to have conversations with everybody. You guys are fucking losers for trying to pull this out of them for a guy who just does not want to be part of the drama. Dolores does not want to be part of the drama. Polly, even less. For him to sit there and make fun of them, he's great.

Yeah, enjoyed it. That's what I want. Just keep doing that. And again, he is not really sure what the Jersey Shore is, but he hits the hammer on, or hit, Jesus, hits the nail on the head. This is our second episode today. Sorry, guys. You know what happens.

Yeah. He hits the nail on the head immediately and says, do I need to get lines in my head? Do I need to get a haircut where I get lines of my head? You're not wrong. You'd fit in better. It'd fit in a lot better. I love the shore. I have...

So do I. Fully been transition. That's part of the north part of the Jersey shore. That's where the... That's the New York side. Yeah, that's the different. Like, South Jersey, that's the Philly side. Yeah.

We like the North Wildwood, whew! But... Moving on, we get Teresa and Louis, and this is nice. They're going to an event for Louis' dad. He's been sober for eight years. We also find out that his dad was an active alcoholic for most of his childhood. So a tough relationship there, but they have seemed, or they have seemed to move past that together. So they're going to celebrate his dad as eight years, which is an incredible milestone.

So no shade there. It's an awesome event. And they start talking about Nate's party. This is interesting. And this is what I feel like we're going to get all season, which is not interesting, because nobody will talk to each other. We're going to get people setting things up alone in their room with their significant other. Yep. because she goes, I'm not talking to

Marge. She might as well have turned to the camera for this next line. There's things I can't say because of legal issues. Like, just break the fourth wall and just talk directly to us. If you can say, there's things I can't say because of legal issues with Marge specifically. You can probably say what it is. Yeah, probably. Probably.

But she's directly talking to us there, and she's like, well, we have the answers. That's not even cryptic. It's just there's something legal that's coming out about Marge, and we have the answers about it. We've got them backed into a corner. How many times we heard this we get leaked information we get this and that we find out that the leaked information is coming from teresa and jane it's it's a goddamn merry go round that i want to get off of

it's a thing about louis shirt did you read the shirt oh was it the fucking the pizza thing yeah i think that it's ridiculous and she's wearing a namaste bitch's shirt that's like just plug in their own shit there's a part of me that's like you know what make that paper but at the same time it's like it's like putting an advertisement in the middle of the show yeah like we get it i don't know i wasn't even on the show when that line came out he wasn't no no he wasn't but with joe which is even we got involved with the pizza thing later the whole thing it's just overproduction to me and that adds to it takes away from not as to it takes away from the suspension of belief where you can watch these shows and believe that what you are seeing is reality that is why we watch we

understand that there's an undertone of fake. We get it. We accept it. We move on from it. But when you keep throwing shit at us in our face, it gets harder and harder to do that. However, we move on from there and we get to Melissa and it's Adrian's 18th birthday. This whole scene and the scenes that we get thereafter with both Teresa and Louis and their family and Melissa and Joe and their family, all they are trying to do is show the world how much better off they are without the other one and how loving and accepting their families are good cool great yeah fucking just do it stop shoving it down our throats they do it throughout i wrote it down multiple times they're doing it the whole time because the way they're talking it's like this family's so supportive and

we're jo's a part of the family i did think it was cool when nick opens up and says you know when i came out to you i you were so accepting with open arms and that's why we want to do to officiate the wedding i don't want to take away from the sentiment there that was a very sweet and touching scene from Nick. But the underlying tone of all of these scenes with solo families is just look how much better our family is than their family. Yeah, it's just fucking sad. But at least we don't, and I don't really know what's better because a couple of years

ago it was, this scene would have pushed Joe into a situation where he's saying, I need to get back with Teresa. And then we have the awkward get back together, which then blows up two or three episodes later and we could see it coming. I think I kind of prefer that to this. I don't know, actually. Now I'm not really sure. Maybe I prefer this to that because they're not interacting and it's okay.

I don't fucking. I don't know. I just don't know what it. I don't care. That's the best way to put it. I don't care. But we get a scene between Teresa and Gia. Gia is now working in corporate law, doing immigration law because of her dad getting.

That's not funny. It is a little funny. It is a little funny. My dad got to Porta because he. broke the law, so now I'm getting into immigration law. That's a, I think it's a nice little backstory. You know what? It gives substance.

Yep. It definitely gives her substance to why she's doing what she's doing. It plays well to a presentation to your colleagues. It sure does. This is why I'm passionate about this. However, my dad did actually break the law. It's not like he got... He's not allowed back to the country.

He legit broke the law and got kicked out. That would be great to have Joe back on the show, though. Jude Ice? Yeah, why not? Bring them back. Maybe. Figure it out, Bravo. Get the immigration laws.

No. No, no, because I don't need, and I never thought I would say this. I don't need more husbands on this show. I know. I don't need the dudes talking. And I don't think that, like, somebody like Fouda or even Joe Gorga would stand up to Joe Judice. I disagree. Oh.

I disagree. Joe Judice, we saw him, what, last year when they had that reunion with the girls? Yeah. He doesn't look like Joe Judice of old where he's going to get in your face and fuck you up. I think that he still got the softened out in the hills of Italy. I think he still got that bark in him, but I don't know. man. He's living in the islands now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's in Bahamas.

Yeah. So, I don't know. Making pictures with Joey. My opinion, yeah. Nobody, I didn't mean to take that picture, guy. Oh, I just, oh, shit. Somebody took that picture. My phone fell and it snapped a pick. Who knew? I was posing. I don't know what happened. By the way, we still need to do our reenactment photos of Joe Gorga and his inspirational quotes.

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this too, just to try it out. Just to try it out. Just do that instead of recap of this show. That's fine. We'll do a live episode of us getting glute sculpting together. And we'll see it. Maybe that's more than a podcast form so you can just hear us talk. That would be on comfortable, I think. But this is side-by-side with a pickleball conversation between Marge, Fuda, and

Melissa. But at the glute sculpting, we find out that Danielle is staying at the Fudas. And to Teresa's credit, she's like, look, I'm never going to tell you who to hang out with. I don't want you to pick sides. Do you? God bless, whatever. She does throw a couple of digs in there. Like, they can believe what they want to believe. But the overall sentiment is, it's cool. Do your thing. I'm not going to get mad at you. Whether that holds true for the entire season, I don't know. But at least she's handling it this way right now, only because I'm constantly going to draw comparisons with how each side is handling things, because that's all we got. That's all we got to break down. All we have to break down is Teresa's sitting there saying, I'm not going to tell you who

to hang out with. And the other side saying, if you go hang out with them, I will fucking excommunicate you. Exactly. So we need to just, we're playing comparison games. But on the other side of the street, at the pickleball, they're talking about what Fuda got in trouble for, which I fucking knew it. He was like 17 and he sold some weed. It is not that damning. Yes, like technically he broke the law back then. We're talking about something else now coming out where he's, he was

actually 21 and it was narcotics, not weed. But either way. But who, who leaked that? Was that Teresa's side? Like, who the fuck knows? The whole thing about this is, if you're going to do that, you can just lean on the whole. It was 25 years ago or whatever the fuck. I don't know how old he is.

It was 20 years ago. I was in a bad way. I had a bad life. I got out of it, and I'm a good father. Boom. That's all you have to do. You don't have to combat it with, well, she's going to talk about this. I'm going to talk about how, you know, she's the childster, the fucking child star, the poster child for mortgage fraud.

It's just like, you guys are doing the same shit. You can't get mad that she's saying this when you're also saying that. Like, it's just fucking, who cares? I just, I firmly hate when the past is brought up to drag somebody when they have changed and are doing better in their life. Yeah. I think that's horseshit. Fuda might have gotten in trouble when he was younger.

He is a good father. He provides for his family. Even Teresa said that. She does later. So that's even crazy that she's trying to throw this at him. And on the flip side, Teresa got in trouble for helping her ex-husband evade taxes or whatever the fuck. So she went to jail. She served her time.

She moved on. Like, I don't like that this is brought up. And then you get all these accounts talking about it. Like, he's a piece of shit. Why? Because he fucked up 25 years ago. That doesn't make you a piece of shit. You learn from it, move on and change.

You can say he's a piece of shit because of what he's doing on the show right now. That's fine. Do whatever the hell you want if it's current. But bringing stuff up from 25 years ago because his ex-wife or ex-girlfriend or whatever is saying this. And she's in fucking prison right now. Like, for everyone talking shit, I hope you have the most clear past ever. I hope that you've never done anything wrong because it's the dumbest shit ever that you're like, he sold weed 25 years ago. I will say that, like, food up pushing whatever he's doing on this show.

right now does open him up to stuff like that. Sure. Okay, fair. You could just chill out again. It's called the real house wives. So maybe just chill the fuck out and go have fun with the boys and go back to all of that that we saw years ago and let the girls do things. Fine. Just go keep making jokes. And look, it's Jersey. So you might still be collateral damage. If your wife says something that the other side doesn't like and they pull that up, then you can combat it and say I was just minding my own business. I don't really need to be involved in this. But if you want to be a housewife, which it looks like John Fuda wants to be, yeah, things like this are going to happen.

People are going to dig shit up on you. Let them pull you into the drama. Don't pull yourself into the drama. That should be all house husbands across the board. But when they ask Fuda, like, would there ever be a bridge forward with Teresa? She says, absolutely not. She's a piece of shit. I got nothing to say to where the gates bolted shut.

But again, there's no way forward. And now you've got Melissa who won't talk to Teresa. you've got Futa who won't talk to Teresa. You've got a Potomac situation now where no one's talking to anybody and we saw what happened to Potomac. Poof, you lost most of the cast. Yeah. I don't understand this and we saw this last year where Rachel is,

you're a newbie. Like, find your own way. Don't immediately pick aside. That's what's unfortunate. And then try to lead the charge because that's exactly what Marge wants you to do. And you're fine, happy doing that. I don't care, whatever. It just doesn't make any sense because, yeah, what?

You're going to blame Teresa. for drudging up all this stuff about John's past. Fine, I don't care. But to take that firm stance and say, I'm not going to go and talk to that, you're just creating more of the same that we've seen, which is unwatchable. I think that they think they understand the assignment.

They're like, all right, it's time for us to step up. And they've had powwows together. She could just be like Danielle, and you can float between the groups, and then the two of you as newbies, can try to formulate some sort of opinion, or potentially draw people out, who were tired of this and create a new group that's all about the show.

That would be great. That would be great, but neither of them are powerful enough to do that, and neither of them can actually do that because they're stuck in their own ways. Danielle's trying, but she's going to go right under the bus immediately, just like Fessler did. And Rachel, for whatever reason, is picking aside very strongly. Well, here's the difference. Danielle tried to play the game last year and got fucking crushed.

Yeah, she did. She got smoked not only by Teresa in that group, but she got smoked by Fuda herself. Yep. So now she is a little bit more wary. I think she came to play better this year. She's not picking a side. She's seeing how things go.

Fuda didn't have that rude awakening. So now she's stepping into season two with a void because Melissa is taking a step back. And she's like, now it's my time to shine. But if she wants to go up against Teresa, she'll get crushed and Marge will not be there to help her. I agree. That's what's going to happen. I think that that's what people need to understand. And even you and I who do not like Teresa, Teresa is the show.

whether you like her or not, whether you like it or not, Teresa is Jersey. Honestly, I think I like Teresa more than most people on the show right now. At least she's staying true to four. Everything else is a fucking cluster. So, I don't know. Call me a tree stand. I will, you stump.

But we get Fuda and the Fesslers and, or the Fudas and the Fesler's and they're talking about Teresa at the party. And this is where you start to see like a crack in this friendship because Rachel's asking Fessler, like, why are you friends with her? and this was a great response here she's like look she fights dirty but i think that everybody in this group talks a lot of shit everyone goes low she's not doing anything that the other women aren't doing and you could argue that teresa set that precedent sure but that's how the game's played in the show everyone talks shit about everybody else they say really mean things they try to reel it back in

when they have those fake moments where they come back together they never last very long but that's a good stance for festival to take it's like look you want me to pick sides everyone's throwing shit at each other. Like, I'm going to stay in the middle and not catch the heat. But it's not sustainable, as we find out later. But Danielle arrives. And also interesting here, she's walking in. They're getting out of the car.

She highlights the same thing. She's like, I don't like being put in the middle of this. Clearly, leading up to the season, a firm line in the sand was drawn by the Fudas, where it's like, we are not fucking with them this year. And now they are clearly, and we've seen them talk about it, at nauseam behind closed doors, she brings up every chance she gets at pickleball now here at the house with fessler and then daniel's walking in this really really not pissed me off but just irritated the shit out of me because daniel walks in the house

she's like can we just make tonight about nate it's about nate everyone be cool i don't know if he's trying to sound like a tough guy i don't know what this angle was but food is like you know sometimes you get pushed you got to push back someone pushes you kind of weird no he had a cyst on his brain and it's a night for him let's not get pushed don't put yourself in a position to be pushed. No, it's just the agenda that the food has already decided that they're going to do. And I don't know if it's Rachel leading it or John leading it. I don't really care because it's just annoying at this point.

And it is really smart of Danielle to walk in and say that. I don't know what she thought was going to happen. I don't know if she thought that these people were going to all of a sudden be reasonable because they're not reasonable people. Nobody has seen them. No one is on this show. You can't walk into a room and say, let's just make this about Nate. And that's again why I'm saying this side is way.

less tolerable than the other side because if Danielle had walked in to Teresa, Jen, and whoever else might be over there and said, hey, can we just make this night about Nate? Both of them would say, absolutely. It wouldn't be true. It might not be true, but they would play along. They would say, yeah, absolutely. You walk into this side, they're like, fuck no, absolutely not. If they say anything to me, I'm going to do it no matter of the time or the place.

Come on. It's frustrating, dude. But then everyone's on their way to the party, and you get the same scene again where the cars are split. you get different parties traveling. Teresa talking about how lucky she is. The sobriety thing went amazing, and she's so fortunate that she's in this big, loving family flash over to Melissa's car, and she's so happy.

It has this loving, supporting family, and they accepted Joe, and it's just so nice. We get it. This is a dick measuring contest of who's got a better family now that your family is separated. That's a weird thing. That's all it is, yeah. It's very weird. But that's what I'm saying. That's what we're focused on this season.

That's the show. That's not good TV. I would love to hear genuinely, this is not trying to, like, poke the bear of anyone enjoying this season. Please send us a DM and explain to us what about this season is palpable. It's such a funny thing to say after the second episode. I know. It's nuts. And look, yes, we...

Usually we let things cook for a little while. Usually we let things go, and we don't say that until, like, episode six or seven or eight or whatever. When we get more of the same and more of the same and we're tired of it, We'll then put a poll out to the audience and say, are you enjoying this season? And if so, why? We're doing this two episodes in because we already know how this is going to go. It's going to be the exact same format every single episode where we just bounce from group to group to group and see what they're bitching about now. And it's always about the other side or it's always a dick measuring contest.

And then at the end, there's some event that they all contractually have to go to and something will happen. It's not a huge blow up, at least probably until the end of the season. but there's always one or two people that are going to be into a fight and then that carries us to the next episode where they debrief with their groups. It's just so fucking annoying. That was a perfect explanation

of the format of this show. The format of the show and they all know their assignments. Yeah, but on the way there you do get Danielle talking about not inviting Jackie and I had forgotten all the mean shit that Jackie said last year talking about her clothes, calling her trashy, calling her cheap. Clearly Jackie's still on it too

because she walked into Fessler's party and immediately said that Danielle didn't say hi to me. She's still mad about that? Like, yeah, she probably is, and she did say hi. She said hi, and have you apologized yet for, like, talking shit about, I will never be cool with people talking shit about other people's, like, style, or calling somebody trash is such a shitty thing to do that.

I hated that, so, yeah. It'll be interesting to see when Jackie flips sides and goes to Teresa's side of Danielle's there, and we get some sort of interaction with them. Who knows when that's going to happen? I don't know. We'll find out, but we get to Nate's party. literally nothing happens until Teresa gets there and shout out to the choir I don't know why they did voiceovers during their performance like I actually was like oh they traveled from DC to be here I want to hear this choir for a little bit they didn't give them any air time other than like five seconds maybe but that's my point that's what I'm looking in this show go right from the choir to Marge asking the entire group of women who's on their second marriage that was before the choir that was before okay the second one the second wife's always better or whatever, Marge.

Yeah, and I don't know who that other person was I got dragged into it. It was one of Nate's friends' wives. I don't know what it was. I don't know what she's doing. Again, this is what's going on. We're just having conversations

with people that we don't even know. Bringing them into it, giving them a little name tag, and there's no real substance of the conversation. It's Marge asking that, which is just a fucking weird question. Like, everything that she says,

everything that she does, even her confessional back to the pickleball thing, where she's like, yeah, I don't really care about any of these hobbies unless, like, I'm fucking the guy that's train and it's like shut up marge like or joe yeah poor joe and let's get into their whole marriage

because there's no way that they're happy and we know that at the end of the season that there's something going on there so let's get into some of that i would love that but we're not gonna we're not going to maybe we will who knows i don't know time will tell as it always does but Fessler asks to borrow jenn aden's pen thought that was really funny hey you got you got some weed on so they got my pen like hell yeah let me get that pen brother and she goes and talks to Theresa and they're talking about the alleged

statements made at the reunion last year. I don't think it's alleged. It's not. It's confirmed here, I guess, but it's also, she doesn't say exactly what was said. Right. But Frank said that everyone had met

before the reunion. Again, that's not weird to me. That seems pretty par for the course. What was the conversation? It's like, well, we knew that Louis had the PI.

Fucking Bo Dietz is back. Bo Dietl. I talked about him in a while, but Bo Dietz is back, and look, we heard that she had a P.I. So we were trying to put things together. All right, if they come with this, we've got this. If they come with that, we've got this. And she brings up the whole, well, we heard that you said that we didn't execute the plan correctly. And she then breaks down what we were talking about.

And I think a lot of people talked about. There was envelopes. There was alleged recordings. There was all of this evidence that we supposedly had. none of it was used. Yep. So, yeah, at the end of it, she says, like, this was not executed correctly. We honestly thought that it was used.

It just got cut because it's not useful information. Now it seems like they didn't use it in the first place. So what's the whole point of you guys meeting the night before, which, again, I will say, not very shocking. I bet it happens on every franchise that each group or each whatever goes and meets up, even if it's the entire cast, they probably sit down and say, what are we going to talk about? It's not that surprising at all. fact that this happened is not something that I think even Teresa is surprised about. It's more so just the comments of what was the game plan and what were they trying to do

because nobody knows what they were trying to do. You guys were completely running around and not bringing any evidence to the table when you said you had evidence. Well, what annoys me about it is Teresa's acting like, oh, my God, they're trying to take us down. They're trying to take Louis down this and that. It's like, your man hired a P.I. Yeah.

We know that. You have also been outed for leaking shit. to content creators. So, like, this is where I start to get annoyed again by the show. It's like, look, everyone's moving in shady ways. I don't know why on earth you would call this shit out when your side of the street is not clean. Yeah. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But that's, I guess you could say, the beauty of Teresa in some way, shape, or form is that even when presented with damning evidence, she says it's untrue. Yeah. Well, the untrue part was specifically about Louis calling Marge's son at work. Yeah, which I believe happened. Which I don't know anymore because Marge supposedly had a recording and didn't play it. That's a valid way. I wouldn't you play it? And it's Marge.

So I doubt anything that she says. So if that's the one thing that she's going to hone in on and she's accepting the rest of it, saying, yeah, Louis did actually hire a PI and dug up some information, that's what Louie did, that's his agenda. I was out of it. I'm not playing that fucking part anymore. Sure, I believe that, Teresa. I don't think that Louis even called Marge's son at this point because Marge isn't showing us that he did. That's a fair, fair assumption. I don't know. I still think he did because

I still think he's nuts. There's a good chance that he did because he's definitely nuts. But there's also a good chance that he didn't because I don't believe a word that March says. Valid. See, you can't believe anybody on this goddamn show. But I will say, this is the moment where we get Teresa talking about John Fuda because

Fessler brings up the drug dealing thing. She's like, did you mean now or back when he was like 17 years old? And she's like, oh no, back in the day. What I see now is a good father, a good businessman, this, that. this, that, and the other thing, it's like, say that to him. Yeah.

Say that. Squash this nonsense beef you have going. Wouldn't squash it. If she said that to him, he would be like, oh, fuck. Like, that was my whole thing. What am I going to do now? And he would still just go after. How do we know that, though?

But here's my point. If you are willing to say nice things and confirm that you weren't saying that this is him now, let's try a different tactic. Because this tactic's not working. The tactic's not working, but also I don't blame Teresa for not going. to him and doing that because you don't know what that's going to end up being. Her saying it to Fessler could relate to Fessler going back to the group and saying this is what she said, a little whisper down the lane.

So maybe that's what she was doing because, again, I don't blame Teresa for not going to that group. Why would you even want to talk to any of them anyway? They're just going to spin it and make you out to be an asshole. Same with what you guys would do if Marge came over and started talking. So it's just, I don't know what the whole point of any of that is. I never really took it to be. Teresa was saying that he's currently a drug dealer.

I mean, it's the same thing as... I didn't either. It's the same thing as what he says to her. So it's just, the whole thing's fucking stupid. Well, the last part we get is Fuda asking that rando. I even wrote, Fuda asks a rando about scenario. Uh-huh. Like, would you be cool with this if your friend did that?

And she's talking about Fessler, and she's clearly pissed off and goes to her confessional. And she's like, I feel betrayed. It's like, why do you feel betrayed? You knew that they were friends. You knew they were friends. And here's where you're going to lose this bullshit battle. Because Teresa is going to be able to be able to be able to be. able to say, I never told Danielle not to be friends.

Why is she telling you what to do? Why are you listening to her? Why are you friends with somebody that's going to try to police you? Just going to push people that way. If you cut people off because they simply talk to someone else, and we've already got Dolores in the middle. We've got Fessler in the middle, but Fessler's a little more involved than Dolores is. You're going to cut Fessler off. Fessler's going to go over to Teresa because she's friends with Teresa. Why would I go hang out with these people who are going to treat me like

that just for talking to a friend? Okay, there you go. You already lost Danielle down. Danielle's going to start going that way. So what do you actually think you're going to be able to do? And is this show just going to turn into the Fudas and Marge going after them? Because that's not fun either. Nothing is fun about the show. I want to see Danielle Fessler and Dolores branch out. They can branch out, but they'll just be middlemen.

They'll just sit there and be like, well, this is fucking crazy guys. Focus on them and see what they're up to. Maybe. Who knows? Because this, this. I don't know if any of them can carry a show, though. Well, neither can the people doing it right now. I don't like Teresa.

Yeah. She is the show. I'll give her that. I don't think anybody can take that away from her. But this is not working. And anyone out there that thinks it is, again, no shade. Tell us why.

Why is this show working for you? And it can't just be, I love Teresa. It has to be an actual explanation as to why this drama is good and worth watching. Because from what I've seen two episodes in, this is a repeat of last year. They've just removed Melissa and stuck the food is in her place. Yeah. When your investors, customers, and workers demand more from your business, make it happen with SAP.

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It's full of real flavors you'll keep coming back for. Made just for you at Starbucks. Questions. Let's get to some questions. And I imagine that all of these questions, a lot of them are going to be redundant. So I will get to the ones that I can. Amazing Raccoon says, is this watchable? No.

Not really. Not really. Oh, this is a good one. I think this is from a Rob, Bro. I can't really click on the profile. Can you jump in watching any Housewives at any season, or do you have to start at season? One, also, which housewives should I invest in?

Great question. You don't have to jump in season one. You will miss some of the references and people that watch the shows religiously will get mad at you for not knowing the references. But you can jump in. I would say go back at the very least, go back at least one season. If you really want to get the pulse of where they're at, go back two seasons and then jump in. That's probably mine. And I would say, honestly...

Because it's still early on. Just start with Roslick. Start season one of Salt Lake because season one and two were great. Struggle through season three, watch season four, and I think you'll be hooked. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. Or you can go back. Like old school, Roney is great. But if you want to be a little bit more current, I would say start Roslick season one.

That's Salt Lake, if you're not up on the lingua. Yeah, we've got some lingo here. This is a little bit of a crossover question from Jess Brum. If it's wrong for the valley to ice out of Christen, isn't it also wrong for the Jersey ladies to ice out tree they're not icing her out I don't yeah I don't really half of the mar half of them aren't but like

it's not like the show is centric around Marge and the foodas like you get both sides you got two sides but also to answer the question it's not right for either show it's not to ice anyone out it's not right for any show to ice anybody out because they're cast members

and they're involved in the show too uh for Madison Sentofanti Apologies if I said that wrong. Who do you think is more calculated in producing, Teresa or Marge? I think that Teresa is a little bit more clumsy with it, but Marge plays aloof all the time.

I think Marge is a thousand percent more calculating. I think Marge's playing more calculating. Is that the question? Yeah. Who's more calculating? I thought it was different. No. Oh, Marge.

Yeah. I think her entire life is the show. showing how she can... No, fuck that. No, I disagree. I think that Teresa, I think Teresa does a better job at waylaying it because, as we have seen in social media, she's been feeding accounts for God knows how long. So, Teresa. But to say that Marge isn't doing the same is probably bullshit, too. She's probably out there doing the same thing. They're all calculated. All of them. That's why this show's not fun to watch. Jazzanae asks, bros, be honest. Jen Fessler, Judas or Switzerland? Switzerland.

She's been honest about where she stands. And to be fair, if Fessler was closer to the Teresa side, or the Teresa side, rather, was more of the, oh, we're going to cut her off because she's talking to Marge or Fuda or whatever, we would still say she's Switzerland. Yeah, I don't see her. It doesn't fucking matter. She just, she's normal. Yeah. That's the problem. Yeah.

We'll do one more here. the wanderlust underscore stay should i just say vunderlust no vonder sex fucking euro trip callback do you think ronjay should go on pause recast then reboot yep all of it all the above yeah i'm not saying you need to take out some of the mainstays i'm saying they need to rethink their approach because this isn't working it's not working but uh yeah that's all we got well

we'll see what this season amounts to be i don't know like maybe they have an ace in their sleeve and they're going to pull something out last minute that's going to be captivating i i'm not sure i just i'm i said this on episode one there's something about this show that i don't know resonates with me and it could just be the fact like proximity to jersey where like they're more relatable but i want it to be good people think that we want to hate watch shows we i promise you we don't like we want to enjoy this show and i think that there is is a way for Jersey to become great again, but I don't see how they're going to do that

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