Bros & Shows - Garcelle Leaves a Sinking Ship (RHOBH STINKS!) (RHOBH Reunion Finale Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

What's up Bros? We did it. We made it to the end of this lackluster season and an even more underwhelming reunion. Sutton and Dorit finish their conversation with no real progress. Erika says her piece to Sutton and hopes they can continue to find a way forward. Garcelle is completely checked out at this point due to lack of any semblance of support. We dive all the way back into Erika and the Tom Girardi of it all. We recap Augusta and how powerful it was for Sutton and her ability to heal and forgive. Then we talk Kyle and Mauricio for awhile and where they stand. Kyle lets us in a little about her journey with her sexuality. Garcelle walks off the stage before a cast photo and tells us exactly how she feels in her dressing room. Other than Garcelle and some of the Sutton vs Dorit stuff, We basically got the same reunion as last year in 3 parts this year. This show is missing a lot of components and we have no idea how they can possibly get back on track. Of course we will be tuning in next season, but we are really getting tired of the same stuff over and over again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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said that this episode would be much more fun to recap because it would be over after this one now would be in a better mood i'm not in a better mood after watching whatever the hell i just watched that was stupid this should have been one part i've never said that we don't need two parts let alone three parts and i'm starting an episode off with a rant uh i lied I'm going to have me my bros and shows. I'm your co-host and shows. Bros and shows. Brose and shows.

I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the conniving Magoutes. Dirty liar. What's up, dude? I lied for your own betterment, to be fair. I was trying to, like, wish it into existence, but there is a stronger

more powerful force out there and it is the negativity that surrounds Rabha. It's just crazy, dude. It's so bad, dude. I was scrolling on my phone and then I'm like, I can't because I have to take notes. It was just another 58 minutes,

by the way, of nonsense. It was too frustrating to watch all of that. And I do think we get a bad rap. So let's just do this right now. We get a really bad rap whenever we don't like something whenever we're looking at something or trying to recap it and we get

frustrated because it's not good right they're like oh these guys just hate the show like what's the point listening to the podcast i'm going to try to paint a picture for everybody listening that feels that way okay we have to watch this show with the hope that there's stuff to talk about right and unfortunately for this show and this reunion in particular the things that we have to talk about there is stuff to talk about but it's mostly us being negative on the cast if we got this the whole season it would have been a little bit better Erica I'm looking at you

you always show up at reunions there's so much there you could bring so much to the table during the season and you just don't and then you show up at the reunion and you go on like a fucking 10 minute conversation about Tom and about your family

and about your life and your son who you know we're going to respect his privacy fine whatever but you bring so much to the table as a person and you seem like you have so much energy and you've got so much to like show us and you just don't

no it's just annoying and then all of the other things like i don't care if we have bad takes on what we think is going to happen or what we thought was going to happen or anything that we think should have happened during this reunion it doesn't really matter because this show has been in such like a stale state yeah it's a it's a stale ritz cracker yeah that's what it is that's actually that's an insult to stale ritz crackers it is yeah this it's just sometimes that's good i agree it's just blah it's just blah and i know like i love my comments or those comments are my favorite but it's like well just turn it off then it's like first off i love the idea

that you just said my comments my comment so i immediately go steels got burner and he's commenting on our videos saying just turn it off yeah that's me that's me just talking shit no it's like you read these comments and people are like we'll just turn it off don't watch it's like we have to we have to it's our job one two we would get way more bad comments if we didn't cover the third part right just stopped after last episode. We're not getting anything. We're not getting anywhere. We're not doing anything. We already did. Didn't we do an episode? Or was that Rob Ha? That we did an episode on that we're like, there's nothing here. Let's just talk about how we fix it. Yeah, we literally did a whole episode of like that was just how to fix this show. And not that we're the end

all, be all. We have great ideas. It's just the fact that the product we're seeing isn't good. Our jobs to comment on it. And jobs aside, we like these shows. That's why we got into this. So seeing a show like Beverly Hills, which is supposed to be the upper echelon, be where it's at right now, we have a lot to say about it. So there's also, look, this isn't me tooting our horns here. You tooting now? There is a possibility that we can influence some change. I don't think so. Well, I'm only referencing one thing.

I did see that Jeremiah posted a comment only because Queens of Bravo reposted something that Jeremiah posted. Oh, nice. Clicked on it, looked at it. First comment underneath, you should really listen to the brav bros talk about Southern Charm. So there are people out there that will do the dirty work, if you want to call it, that for us, comment on things. We're always getting tagged with Andy. Like, listen to this. This is crazy.

This is what we have to change. So maybe there is a small, just a morsel of possibility. No, because Kyle Richards is on the show. I know. So it's going to stay the same. This is, the only thing I liked about this episode is watching Garcel finally get fed up. And you can watch it like on the couch happen. And it just like, that's how I felt.

I have a spin on that a bit. That's fine. Yeah. And look, here's the thing. Even my take on, I don't even want to call it a take. I'm going to say it's a spin because even if my spin is correct, it impacts absolutely nothing. And that's the problem with this show. We can rant and rave of all we want about Erica should do more.

Kyle should do more. Kyle needs to stop producing the show. Doreet, I fully believe this with my entire heart. If she ever gets first chair again, I'm not watching the region. No, it was brutal, way too much power. There's something about her being able to turn to the right and only see Andy instead of seeing another person that gives her for whatever reason more oomph.

I need to talk more. No, no. Nobody has ever told to read that she needs to talk more. No, dude, this was like watching somebody get a taste of power and she went off the rails. This was her worst episode, I thought. The interjections are ridiculous. Her yelling at Garcell as she's walking away,

that's very unprofessional. up. But that's, that is the duplicity of these shows. Right. And that's what I hate the most, too, is when that happens, like, all, we're all good. We're all done, whatever. Call it a fourth wall break when Kyle says at the end, like, you know, this is what we do. Like, you want people to smile at you, but like nobody's excited to be here. We're all here to unpack our shit. We have to get through it all of us together. And then we can just be happy afterwards. I get that part of it. But, or Doreet yelling to Garcell, that's unprofessional, is ludicrous. Comical. It's a, comical approach but you know what let's not waste any more time let's jump into this so we can put rob hut a bed and hopefully they fucking reboot it i don't care if you bring some people back i'm cool with that as we've seen in atlanta there is a way forward with that method i'm fine if you want to just add in some new pieces but there needs to be a drastic overhaul for entertainment value don't look at the ratings which is impossible to say to a network don't look at the ratings i get it the show's doing well from a rating standpoint, but hate watching only lasts for so long, right?

I don't think they have another two seasons of hate watching. There is a chance, too, because, and there's not nearly as many people that are ragging on Robha online saying that this sucks and they need to reboot it. There should be a lot more. For whatever reason, people are just like taking it for what it is, and they didn't do that with Roney. No. At the end of Roney's run with all of those women, and yeah, obviously, you know, the

now on the call from is Bethany leaving anyway, but there was still something there and they had really high ratings, but people online were saying you need to reboot the show, and they did. They did reboot it. That's why I'm saying, let's not do a full recast,

but do something to switch this show up and bring the entertainment back to Beverly Hills. I still think my Fox Force Five show is probably the best idea. It's the only idea in my mind. Unknowns, nope, doesn't work. We just watch that in Roney. Trying to retool the cast they already have,

nope, they're just going to turn on Sutton and whoever else he put in there who's going to feel bad for something. Sutton, and we've watched that for five seasons now. We're done with it. The only thing that makes sense is having them turn on each other, because that's fun. I agree. I'm clipping that today, by the way.

I'm putting it. I was waiting for, you can still put it out. That's what I was waiting for badly to be relevant again, and then put it out. But anyway. But, yeah. Let's dive in. We get Sutton and Durit the end of that conversation, her having a superiority complex and quote unquote buying people, as Durit says, which is a baseless claim.

And Tilly goes to bad for her. He's like, I don't think she's ever bought anybody, and multiple people say she's like, she's generous. We didn't spend enough time on this. I agree. For all of the nonsense that we had to go through in 58 minutes, why didn't we ask Doreet, what do you mean? Say somebody specific.

Sutton asked her twice. She refused to answer the question. Garcell's completely checked out, fine, whatever. But there was nothing there. Like you said, it was a baseless claim. Why didn't Andy push a little bit more? They just kind of left it alone. A lot of the things with Doreet and Sutton when we get through it, at the very end, you can

tell that everybody's like, we're not getting anywhere. They're not going to be friends. They're not going to agree. Let's just move on. But that's not the right approach. It's not. No, you really have to poke and press. Yeah, bring it out. Get them to talk about it. Of course, the end of it was really when Sutton finally started making sense. And then they're like, all, Doree, had like 10 minutes to go after Sutton and said nothing. Unchecked. But yeah, now we should stop. Sure. It's so dumb, dude. But we get to the Fourth of July party at Doretz. And Garcell

saying that Bose is Doreet's spokesperson, and I love that it keeps cutting back to Garcell's face, and she's just, like, so checked out at this point of the whole thing, but the argument from Sutton's camp is that it felt as though Bose didn't know the situation, came in a little hot, and was, one, being Dorete spokesperson, and two, sure, it is problematic, and words are important when Sutton's in the after show, and she says that she seemed angry. thus Beau's feeling she was labeled to angry black woman. It's a valid point. So I get where she's coming from

there. The irony of course being that she's sitting next to Captain Microaggression, but I was going to call her the Queen of Microaggression. The Queen? Oh, Queen Captain. I like Captain Microaggression. Yeah, Dorit is literally... Who has, by the way, never apologized for any of that. She apologized to... She didn't really apologize. She sat down and said, she just sat there and said,

I don't know. Like, we had multiple encounters with her and Garcell where she just looked at Garcell and said, I don't understand. And then eventually she did say, you know what, I need to learn from this, but still never really apologize and still never definitely learned from it. Correct. That's the thing. She saw an opportunity to give an apology and Garcell accepted it. That's all that.

Like, it wasn't a, I didn't think it was heartfelt at the moment. No. I don't think it's heartfelt now. But it gets to Sutton's drinking, like the what are you drinking comment, the watermelon thing, whatever, is there alcohol in it? And then Doreet makes her joke. watching this scene again and it's so funny to me that what Doreet's argument was

to Sutton because watching it again it's like she called you a bitch like it didn't even seem that harsh it didn't seem like that big of a deal the way Dorete took it was though Sutton stabbed her or something like that Doret's defense of that

was if you had just laughed it off we would have been fine it's like oh I'm sorry her reaction to your shitty joke wasn't what you wanted it to be because you've been pushing this narrative of her being an alcoholic for years now. And you can't at any point understand where Sutton's coming from, why that's problematic. You keep pushing this narrative of alcoholism. Let's go through the list of why this is problematic. One, because you shouldn't

do that about anybody if you don't know what their relationship with alcohol is. Two, did you not watch the season and see what her father went through with drugs, alcohol, and committing suicide? Sorry, dying by suicide, all of those things play in to Sutton's relationship with alcohol. And yet, Doreet has not once been like, oh, it makes a little more sense now. Or, oh, that's probably a very sensitive subject, given what your father went through. Maybe I should lay off of this one instead of perpetuating a narrative of alcoholism for two years now. And then when I'm checked about it, I can't understand why Sutton's allowed to joke about it, but I can't.

She's like, everyone makes jokes. It's like, clearly Sutton didn't hear those jokes or she'd have something to say about it. Sutton's saying something like, I'm wearing vodka today. It doesn't mean she's a raging alcoholic. I mean she made a joke about herself. There's a massive difference, Doreet, between you inserting yourself into this situation and claiming that Sutton's an alcoholic, going on other people's Instagrams and leaving comments, hashtag facts, because someone called Sutton an alcoholic.

Which, by the way, completely goes against you saying, oh, I was making a joke. Correct. That's not a joke anymore. Nope. Because now you're going out of your way to do it on a, on a. a random Instagram post. Which she didn't really have the answer for? No.

Was not pressed for that either. So the favoritism still rings true. This side of the room, fuck these two, fuck these three. Let's focus on the other people in this cast. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. The fact that she doesn't, she can't just simply say, oh, I'm sorry. I won't do it anymore. It's Sutton's fault for reacting the way that Sutton did.

She should have laughed it off, Andy. And Andy doesn't say anything. And like, look, we love Andy. Andy helped a tiny bit. He did say, like, it's a little problematic to be talking about something like that, but, like, he didn't really go to bat for. And we've seen Andy go to bat for random people. We've seen Andy go to bat for actually good causes.

This seems like a worthy cause that he could go to bat for. I would think. And look to read in the eyes and say, yeah, you just can't do that. Maybe stop doing that, something like that. And I will say the only person that, like, and it kind of happened to the end of the show, I don't even know if you caught it when Kyle made a comment about drinking. Sutton did laugh it off? Oh, did she?

That's, well, that's because it's Kyle. Because it's Kyle. And that's the thing. And look, if Doreet had sat there and said, I've heard Kyle make a lot of jokes about it and you laugh it off, I can't make a joke about it. Now, I'm still saying that Doreet wasn't making a joke. And even Bose said that too. Boz is like, yeah, no, it was meant to be. She said that was pointed. There was intent in that. Yeah. So, of course, yeah, that's how we were going to take it because that's how it was meant. But she still can't just sit there and say, you know what? I'll back off. Fine. Sorry. Yeah. I won't make jokes like that anymore. Sorry.

Can you not be such an asshole to me in the future? Great. It's just like a social thing that I guess Doreet never understood. Like when people self-deprecate and they're making fun of themselves. You don't get to jump in. You don't then retool the joke and go right back at them. No. There's like two people in this world when I make an alcoholic joke about myself that can chime in.

You're one of them. Well, could you imagine somebody like eating a slice of pizza and being like, God, really shouldn't be eating this pizza. Like, I just feel like a fat piece of shit. Yeah, well, you look like a fat piece of shit. That's what Doreet's doing. And, like, could you imagine somebody doing that in a social setting? No. Because that's not what you're supposed to do.

It's not how this works. Exactly. But she doesn't understand that, so it's just completely lost on her. And to the point that she's, like, making threats, this version of Doreet, my God. Like, settle the fuck. She's intolerable. Like, if I wanted to paint you as an alcoholic, I would do a lot worse. It's like, what a weird thing to say to somebody.

It's a strange thing to say. What the fuck are you doing? And it's not like she, it would have hit weirder if she had. some semblance of an apology somewhere in there like you know what i will take a step back somehow it's kind of in line with what she's been doing so it wasn't that surprising that she said this no but still when you look at that one sentence in a nutshell fuck would ever say that der reet apparently and she ends the whole thing with because they're talking about when lisa barlow made a comment and it's like described dorit as pretty and sutton commented if you can

afford it anyone can be pretty and which der reet commented why hasn't sutton done it that's a wash for me I think that's a full wash. That's a full wash. You seem to think that that one went harder. You hit way harder. It's like, no, I think that Sutton hit harder. Yeah, I think, I agree. Because you threw the first stuff.

Started it, yeah. Right. So that's a wash to me right there. But again, this emboldened Dorit's like, you hit, I'm a hit harder. I'm like, you're not coming off the way you think you are. Nobody's intimidated by this. It's more so like, why have you been allowed to speak for so long? Why have we not moved on to the next topic?

She already did like the giant air quotes around money, by the way. Like insinuating that Sutton doesn't have money? Sutton has all the money. Yeah, a lot of money. She's two baseball teams. The wallet is a lot bigger than yours. Let's be very honest. I know that's offensive to say.

Oh, God forbid. I'm going to shock these women. God forbid. Talking about wallets here. You don't have any money. Nope. Oh, wait. No, your house is back.

Oh, yeah, they got the house back. They started paying again. Oh, God. Thank God. We got the, the house is not foreclosed on for at least another year. Way to go. You finally paid your fucking taxes. But let's keep trucking.

We get to Sutton kicking women at her lowest. And again, we talked about this when it came up during the season, we are evidence-based here. There was solid evidence presented. She seems to have a pattern of when someone's going through it. She asks some pretty harsh questions without any kind of sentiment behind it. Like, she needs to ease into it a little bit more, but Tilly says it best, I think. She's like, look, I haven't witnessed it, but I have heard sudden ask questions in a bad way.

Other people on the show do it as well. She highlights that part, but Sutton does go a little bit overboard with things. She goes overboard, but Sutton, the way that she answers anything on reunions or when she's pressed, it always makes the situation so much more confusing for me. I know, me too. I never know what to think. And it's not like, wow, you've raised a really good point. I need to rethink this.

It's like, I don't know what you're talking about anymore. Yeah, you're right. I'm just trying to do this. You're like, it's like she contradicts herself in one sentence where she's showing support and saying I'm acknowledging that, but at the same time, she's not. I'm acknowledging it, but I don't agree with you, but I do. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what she said.

Yeah, 15 times in a row, more or less. Going back and forth with Erica, and it left me way more confused about it, and then I had to pull myself out of the depths of hell. Sure. To realize I don't give a fuck. Yeah, no, I just don't care anymore. It doesn't really matter.

It's gotten so convoluted anymore, and I do, I actually agree with Erica. I like, like, Erica's stance on it was pretty much just, look, I said it to you, I've seen the evidence. You did it to me. You did it to Doreet. Sutton obviously talking about, you know, when are we going to be over all of this?

This is the first time that Eric has actually brought this up with evidence. She meant more so like, dude, we had this conversation. Yeah, she's like, you accepted my apology. And Erica's like, I did. That doesn't change the fact that I accepted her apology. This is pertinent to this specific instance that we're talking about. So we're talking about it. And that's why I brought it up.

And you couldn't handle yourself on the boat. So now you're all pissed off at me. But don't keep this. about, you know, me and you having a potential friendship. This is just about this situation. So Eric is, like, just trying, and this has got to be infuriating, just trying to get Sutton to understand. And Sutton's already spiraled, like, going around. And not as bad as she was on the boat, but still, like, all over the place.

She's trying to maintain her composure, you can tell. But, yeah, she's getting rattled a little bit. And that's where we cut to Garcels. And what do you think about it? Sutton's reactions to people. And she's like, well, I agree, but I'm really pissed. And you know what? I don't want to answer any more questions.

I'm like, yeah, I agree. And you know what? We don't need to. It's the best response. I don't care. Just, you know what? I'm done. I don't give a fuck.

I needed this one over here to have my back and she didn't. So I don't give a fuck. I'm done. I'm done with all of you. But Sutton admits to getting rattled by the group. And she goes through her list of reasons, which I did agree with. The group doesn't like me. Erica doesn't understand what Sutton's saying.

She's like, what are you talking about? We don't understand what you're saying. Well, I get where she's coming from. I understand where she started. Yeah, and I'm not going to get into the... I'm just going to go from where she started. It's like this group doesn't like me, and this is a great indicator of what it's like

when you're not part of the Kyle crew. Because you're constantly vying for a spot, a voice, a storyline, somebody to pay attention to you. You want to be in with the cool kids. The only one that didn't care was Garcel, and Garcel needed support on her end from Sutton, from Tilly, from the ones that aren't part of the cool crew. and I do believe that the final straw was Sutton.

I believe the lack of support from somebody that she thought was her best friend was the straw that broke the camel's back because she realized what am I doing this for if I'm not friends with any of these people? Okay, so I'll just do my spin here. I think this was premeditated. I think Garcel already knew this was her last reunion.

I think Andy knew it too. There's rumors about that. Yeah, I think they both know about it. I think that this was completely premeditated, and I do think she also missed the mark. I think she was supposed to leave earlier. I think that was the last ditch Like, nope, I'm out

I'm out of here I see, I disagree I think that you're watching Like throughout the reunion Just her get more and more accepting Of like I really don't fucking care anymore Yeah, I look I mean we know about the contract talks

We know that You know there's some people out there saying That Bravo wasn't going to renew her She was in negotiations I don't think I don't believe that either I think that she already knew That she was done

I think she already made that decision And this could have been The final straw this could have been the straw that broke the case. Oh, no, no, I meant, sorry, I meant that Sutton, like, you can say it was during the season even. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the final straw of her being like, fuck this show, whether it was pregnant or during the reunion, was that. I think it should have gone through too many things.

Yeah, and that happened on the cast trip was probably closer to the last straw, but. And then if she was, like, on the fence at all during the reunion and then Sutton doesn't go to bad for again, she's like, yeah, this is why I'm leaving. And that's another thing that, like, could have easily happens because we did get that scene in between, I think the first and second episode of the reunion. where Sutton goes to her trailer, to Garcel's trailer, Sutton could have easily just said, look, I wish I could have had your back there, but I'm about to get skewered, and I was not thinking about you at all,

and I wasn't trying to jump out there. And I think that Garcel, based on what we've seen, Garcel would have been like, dude, I got to, like, fuck them. She was already on the very long rant of fuck them. They're all assholes. I hate them. Which, again, I wish she said in person, but, you know, take what you can get. I think that if Sutton,

and this show should just be called if Sutton did. And this could be a better show if she would just do what we would want her to do. Or just be a little bit more concise. You know, like when you're getting into it, don't get rattled by the group. But like, that's not possible. Which is impossible to say, yeah. Yeah. During the Volvo Fall Experience event,

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It's like all of it. Yeah, we can all see. There's no grace in this group. I stand by what I say. I take accountability, but it's not accepted by anybody. Not one person has looked at me and smiled while we've been here, and she just clearly felt this vibe shift, and she's like, it's fine, it's okay. And when people are like, no one's smiling, it's like, you know what she's saying.

Yeah. She's saying, acknowledge her. acknowledge that she's part of this group acknowledge what she's saying because everyone else that has spoken except for Sutton has gotten somebody else to chime in on their behalf you may not agree with what she's saying

you may not like what she's saying but the fact that she continues to be treated like an outcast over and over again it's just highlighted this episode and you know what the reunion as a whole because I said episode one of the reunion embodies exactly what this show has turned into

you put episode one and three together this is why the show sucks. It's exactly why the show sucks. And I think that most of the people that watch this show, deep down do understands that. Yeah. It's just there's a matter or there's a lot of people that are such big Fox Force 5 fans

that only want to see them, that only care about them. When outsiders come in, they're viewed even by the fans as outsiders. I agree to that. And they're looking at Sutton. They're looking at Garcell. They're looking at, yeah, Tilly can be comedic relief,

but they're still looking at Tilly like, yeah, no, you know what? And they looked at Crystal like that too, before Crystal left. So it's mostly just, oh, I only want to see what these women are up to. Okay. Then go do a show like that.

We don't need these other women. That's fine. But I think that they would know that and they would understand that. And that has to be infuriating to be in a group like that, to be on a show like that, fully knowing, hey, the only real scenes that I'm going to get, the only real conversations I'm going to have are with my friend Sutton, or with Tilly, or with the weird interactions that I might get with Kyle here and there. The rest of it's just going to be, oh, look at what they're all up to. And then when everybody is together in the group, it always goes.

with what's the big issue going on with the core for at this point. After that, nobody really cares. No. And us at home, we don't care because there's not enough going there. The rest of the women aren't getting involved in what Sutton's up to.

The rest of the women aren't. That's why it was so weird in Augusta. When Kyle was there. Everybody's like, whoa, this is a really good scene because Kyle's there and now we actually care what Sutton's going to. And Kyle was bought into that scene. The amount of people that would have checked out of those scenes

if it was just Garcell and Sutton. I agree. How great, like that was probably the most real that we've seen this show in two or three years. Yep. And they were great scenes. They were very personal.

Sutton actually shared a lot. People still online. Sutton doesn't share anything. What the fuck are you talking about? Are we watching the same show? No. You were watching it because Kyle was there. Correct.

And that's kind of where this is. It's only important when somebody else is involved. Yeah, that's a really good point. And it's why this show is trending the way that it's trending. But we get a quick reprieve talking about dating. The only thing worth noting there is Tilly only banged character actors and strange, Squish Canadian. She's so, she recast around her.

Recast around Tilly. She embodies what housewives used to be. Just call it. Her life is enough that. Silly with Tilly. Yeah. Boom. It could be such an easy, like half an hour segment.

Dude. Awesome. You do like 10 episodes a year. Just what is she up to? Follow her. Yeah. She's playing poker in the Viper Room at 4 a.m. Fuck yeah.

Where is she at? She's on the red carpet. Hell yeah. Where's at now? She's at her haunted house in Malibu. Hell yeah. She's in Italy buying crazy jewelry. Awesome.

Awesome. Great. That's what we want. We want wealth. Yeah. Bring it back to Housewives. These broke women. I'm so over it.

Get rich again. You guys are all too poor for me. Make Housewives rich again. But we get to Erica Jane. And here's my thing. Okay. My thing with her, my thing with Kyle, my thing with Dorit. This, it's the same things that we talked about last year.

Yep. And the year before. And the year prior. And now we're just like, is this a cherry on? None of this is new information. No, it's not. She finished her run on Chicago. Like, genuinely, that's really cool.

It's kind of this full circle moment. Do you see anything about that? Nope, not a goddamn thing. We saw her standing next to a billboard. It would have been cool to see her run on Chicago. That would have been pretty goddamn interesting. We see that her son testified in the ASAP Rocky case. Now her son doesn't want to be part of the show, so we respect that.

We'll leave that alone. No issues there. But we're just talking about, you know, Tom's conviction. We touch on Chuck E. Cheese for two seconds. And she wasn't sure if it was a joke or not or they're making fun of her, which I kind of get that kind of fair. Yeah, I left at that one. The not the pizza party behavior was funny. And then we get into what we've been listening to for a while. You know, I'm emerging as a nicer person now. And I'm still not divorced. That was like the lowest of my problems. But let's talk about Tom's conviction. Like again, yeah, there's like there's just nuggets floating. Nuggets of information just floating in here. Like her talking about how yeah, I did think about going to see Tom, but it wouldn't do me any good because he's not the same person. than I knew. So it really wouldn't matter.

I'll see him after he passes, as sad as that is. That's a good little sentence. But it's mixed in with a bunch of shit that we've already heard. Yep. Her talking for, again, she was talking for like 10 minutes straight. There was no real information in there. It was just like updates. And not one time did we talk about what she did this season.

You go through every single person on that cast. They had a clip of this person doing something during the season. And it was a big talking point. You get to Erica. and it's we're talking about her therapist. We're talking about the pizza party. Those were her two funny moments. The rest of it?

Nothing was it. She was redecorating her house. And he didn't say, how's the house? Is it redecorated fully? Does it look really nice? No, because we don't care. So why did you make us watch that for six episodes? That's the worst part.

Like, it doesn't make any sense. If we're not going to talk about what you did on the show at the reunion, then why did we have to watch that? It's just filler. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make no sense. But let's get to a sense.

Augusta and the Riba stuff. And again, one of the better scenes and better episodes that we've seen this season was Sutton, Kyle, and Garcel in Augusta. And even the other cast members had a good run there too with like the Kathy dinner and stuff like that. Those two episodes might have been the highlight of the season, which we separated the group, which is crazy. And that's also a big red flag is if the only good shit you're getting is when there's

a massive separation right down the middle of the group. But we touch on Sutton's dad and everything that she went through in regards to that. And we get the scenes again, which are, you know, tough to watch. But it's also pretty cool to watch her kind of heal and get through this whole thing. And again, going back to Doreet, it's like if you watch the season or even if you talk to Kyle after she went to Augusta, you had to understand why what you're doing in regards to alcohol is so damaging to Sutton. and not just because you're calling her an alcoholic, but because of where that resonates with her.

Right. She hears that and thinks about her dad. And Dorit, at no point, puts two and two together. Like, her dad committed suicide was under the influence of drugs and alcohol, and yet you still don't put together. Maybe this is a sensitive topic. Maybe it's none of my fucking business.

That'd be pretty interesting. Would be. But she doesn't... Just, like, it would go so far if she could just... Even if she had that revelation during the second. Right here, like, I get it. it. I'll leave it alone. It would have gone so far for it. For somebody who

has quoted this season, like five times during this reunion, we know you watched it. Maybe you skip those parts because you weren't involved in it. You just watch her scenes. Yeah, a thousand percent. That's what Kyle does, if everything. Kyle, I don't think she I don't think she watches it at all. She said she fucking watched it from episode

like 19. Last year, yeah, last year she said she didn't watch one bit of it, which was very funny. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, if Doree had just said, you know, I saw that and like, just acknowledge it in some capacity, we could have a little bit of respect for you. Nothing. Zero. Silent. Zero. Yeah. She's looking at Andy waiting from to ask her a question. But it's nice to hear Garcel and Kyle say that, you know, Riba is fascinating. She is sweet. I know she comes off a certain way, but we actually

really enjoyed our time with her. And Erica chimes in. And your point earlier is, is correct. Erica shows up to reunions. Erica does her job at reunions. The problem is, you didn't do your job during the season, so there's nothing to talk about the reunion. But her chime ins are good. She's like, you know, it helped me understand something better. She's a friend of. Right? And look, I don't want her to be. She doesn't need to be.

I really like Erica because I know deep down she has so many different facets of a life that is very interesting. And she has a very interesting take on life that could work really well for the show. She never shows up during the season. She's only there in conversations with little sidebars. She's only there with advice. She's only there with interior design. She's only there every time that there's a new lawsuit that drops concerning her. her, I guess. The rest of it is like, okay, this is who you are when we get to the reunion.

Why don't we get that during the season? And I think she just kind of like moseyed into this role. That's a friend of role. That's not a housewife. I agree with you. Just looking to the future, let's say that we chalk it up to this was a three-year arc. She had to go through it. We had to have the aftermath and we had to have the resurgence. So next season, if she is this friend of role that she continues to do. We've already said you can get away or get rid of her after like the last season just because she's doing

the same thing over and over again. We've also talked about the answer to these shows as not just whacking people off the cast. So let's put it this way. Maybe this was a three-year thing. Now you can go into next year. We've heard about the troubles. We've heard about the dark time.

And now we've seen you come out of it. So does that mean that next year we get a revamped Erica Jane ready to into a real storyline? I would hope. I don't think so, though. So I think the way that these women operate on this show, and we've heard them kind of say this or allude to this,

they go through what they go through, and they get upset when other women aren't going through the similar things. Like, I showed my life on this show. I think they view it as I went through all of that. I now get to rest. I'm resting on my morals. I showed you guys so much of my divorce and moving out and trying to reshape my life and all the things that came along with that.

I'm taking a couple seasons off. I'm just going to be a friend of and have a good time and go to go see a therapist. If you want to do that for one season, if you have a fucking panger of a year and then you take a year off, fine. We're going to notice that there's a difference and we might be upset about that a little bit, but we can always have some wherewithal to go back and say, yeah, hey, look, you did a lot. Take a season off, relax. You gave us enough. Not three.

Not three. Not three. It's just not, it's not okay. It just, it makes the show bland. But I like the Teddy shout out. And I think it's honestly, like, pretty cool with the Bravo community as a whole. Because let's not forget, Teddy got all kinds of shit, right? For years, she got all kinds of shit.

But when it came to something real, something serious when she was diagnosed, the entire Bravo community, including the shit-talking commenters, rallied behind her. They're still rallying behind her. And that's amazing because at the end of the day, she's a human being. She's going through something awful. We're rooting for her. I do believe that she has a, I think there's a go-fund me on her page. I think so.

To help out with the medical costs. So if you are feeling generous, go over there and help out a little bit. But, yeah, I'm glad they highlighted that. Are you blocked by Tammy? I know we're blocked by Tamara. I thought we were blocked by Teddy too. Are we blocked by Teddy? It might be a residual block.

That's okay. That's all right. I have no ill will towards. It's a two-tees thing, yeah. It is fine. But, like, again, I think it's cool that when push comes to shove and shit really matters, the shit-talking stops and people came to support. As it should.

Nice job, everybody. But might as well talk about kine. Alan Moe again, because you've got to fill a third episode, right? We might as well get into it. Hour long third part. It was 58 minutes. I'm so happy to because when I started, like, I tried to time these up. What does that say?

26 minutes left, yeah. Because I was baffled. I paused it and I was like, are you fucking kidding? So I typically don't, and I always get caught with this. I try to watch the shows at the same time when I have to, like, before I go to record, like before I leave to go to your house and everything, set it up perfectly. It's usually about 42 minutes. I'm like, third part, we've talked about everything.

If they're longer, they're 48 to 52 minutes, usually. This is the things we know, by the way. 58 minutes long. When I clicked on that and I just had this weird feeling, I looked, checked it, and I'm like, oh, God, I have to start it now. Yep. Right now I have to start this. God.

I pause it at this moment. I'm like, all, you've got to be wrapping it up or finish it up with Kyle. Great. And I was like, 26 minutes left. I was like, why? Here's the really funny part, too. We got to that, like, 48 minute mark. there was still 10 minutes left

when they were about to do the cast photo. I know. How? I still actually after watching it, can't tell you what happened to those 10 minutes necessarily. I can tell you what Garcell said. I think that's about it. Because we kept cutting back from Garcell to like

the snide comments from the peanut gallery that gathered around Andy. It was just brutal, dude. But let's talk about Kyle and Moe. And the infidelity comment, that Sutton brang up that seems to be a good talking point.

Let's really dive into this shit. Yeah, and we talk about the infidelity thing and Andy references very briefly and Kyle's response is, I'm not talking about that. I'm not getting into that

because I don't like when people come from out. I'm not putting him out there like that for my kids' sake. Okay, fine. Fine. Again, same with the Morgan Wade stuff. That's personal. And it's all sort of the commenters out there that on that one video I posted

of me ranting about Kyle. Like, it's so weird that people want Kyle to out her self on TV. I don't give a shit. No. I don't want her to out herself on TV. I just wanted to answer some questions. It has nothing to do with the romantic relationship. If she's going down that path and she's not ready, then she's not ready.

That's fine. You shouldn't care. We don't. That's my point. I'm not saying the greater we. Yeah, the general we. The royal we. The royal we.

There you go. Bravo Fitzh. Yeah, there you go. But that's what's lost on a lot of people. It's not about that. I don't care if we ever find out if they're dating. I just want her to answer questions about Morgan. That's all.

I don't care if you're dating or not. Mostly what I want you to answer is, why did you bring her on the show last year and you're not letting people talk about her this year? It's one thing to not bring her back because she had anxiety and she was freaking out about things. Fine. Fair.

You can say that. Great. But you're forcing people behind the scenes to not talk about her. Right. Like, why did you do the music video? Why did you think that was a good idea? answer that question. Did you think that it was weird that you were paling around with her holding

hands? Was that to get back at Mo? Answer that question. You don't have to say, I'm in love with her. I'm dating her. I'm a lesbian. You don't have to say any of those things. Just answer some basic questions and we would move on from it. But you brought it up. You're not answering for it. You brought up Mo and some moment that made you lose trust in him. I'm not saying that you have to say that he's cheating. I get it. You want to protect your kids. You want to protect his business, all of those different things. But you have to answer some questions. happened? Why did you bring that up? What was the falling out? The interesting thing during all of this segment, which was way too long, was Kathy laughing at everything. That was bizarre. Kathy giggling at

everything. Why? It's Kathy. But what's funny about the conversation about her sexuality? I think she's laughing about Kyle having to talk about it or Kyle trying to run around and do this and that and whatever. I don't know exactly what it was, but Kathy's sitting there laughing the whole time. And also the fact that they didn't dismiss Tilly and Kathy. They just let them sit there until the end of the reunion. That never happens. Oh, well, they should leave Tilly. Yeah, they should leave Tilly out there.

Kathy's going to laugh. Kathy's interesting. Kathy's just, I don't know. I can't, I never know. But I mean, Kyle's sentiment makes sense. Like last year, she was bad this year. She just, it's kind of sad. It's weird.

You know, we still talk every day. We still love each other. And she's now mourning the loss of her previous life, it seems like, which I can respect. Kathy wants them to reconcile because she's, She doesn't like change. I respect that, too. Then I also respect that stupid question that somebody asked where it's like, Kyle, assuming that she's the exception with the divorce, blah, blah, blah,

and Kyle going, fuck off. It's like, yeah, that's fine. That's totally fine. I fully agree with that. Fully agree there. But what I was confused about, she's like, you know, we got, she's giving Mo and out for the infidelity, it sounds like. Yeah.

She's like, you know, we got married really young and I don't blame the show, but Mo, the money, the success, the agency started getting successful, women started throwing themselves at him, and he never experienced that before. He gets to do those things when he was young, so he's making up for it now. And, like, I attribute that to it. It's like, that's not an excuse.

No. Like, just because you got married young. I think that is an answer as to why your marriage fell apart. Agreed. Like, I think she just answered that without trying to. Right. It's because... We're actually actively trying not to answer that question.

You answered it by saying, Mo wanted to hook up with other people. Yeah. That's what I got from that. Mo got into this marriage, then got famous, and had options. And had options. Yeah. And yeah.

But the way that she says it, it's like, it's not his fault. It's like, she was trying to do this whole, like, song and dance of, I'm not going to forsake the father of my children. Right. So I'm not going to speak bad on his name. You know, look across the room at what Dorete's doing with P.K., which is fair, actually, because P. P.K. sucks. But still, you're doing the opposite. of that, but in this moment, the way that you're explaining and you're explaining a lot more

than you have in the past, trying to get out of it, you're actually burying him more, burying your marriage more and burying yourself along the way. Yeah, it sounds like he got DMs and was DMing back and doing stupid shit. And we're putting it all together. And this is the problem with Kyle. Her operation is to not give us anything. She gives us little morsels. And then we speculate.

And then hopes that people stop asking questions. It's not really how these shows work. And it's definitely not how the audience works. But when you're refusing to give us more information and refusing to answer questions, we're going to bring in the little things that you've been talking about when you were with the Shaman last year and you had the whole DM situation where Mo was DMing a girl and you freaked out. We are going to bring in all of the other things that you've said about your marriage. And now you're saying this, it's like, okay, now we've got a picture on our own.

Yeah, I don't know if it's correct. Because that's what we've gotten to with the information you provided. Because you refuse to answer wholeheartedly. we're left to our own devices. And if you wholeheartedly answered the opposite of that and just said, look, we grew apart, we just didn't really feel like the marriage was working. I wanted to work for it. He didn't. That's kind of where we are.

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Get it wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, even there. There was one moment where I'm like, that could save the show. What? If Kyle buys the house across the street from LVP. That would, yeah. That would be a big move in the right direction. Just stick a stationary camera there and watch their interactions, because they would have to run into each other, even though.

And it cleared with zoning, put like a camera that just kind of goes back and forth between the two houses. Like that would, there's something there to talk about. But I also, Kathy, Dory Matt, why would you even mention that? What? And Kyle brought up the fact that she was going to get the house across the street from LVP. Oh, okay. Everyone's laughing about it. And she's like, yeah, you know, I went in there with my contractor and took a look at it for a couple of days and ended up not working.

Kathy's like, why would you even mention that? It's like, hmm, why? What do you mean, Keff? That's when the mask slips. What you mean, Kath? Because Kathy knows, dude, she plays this aloof. It is, I will give you credit for this. It is so much more fun with Kathy, looking at it through that lens.

Through that lens, it is so much more interesting. Yeah. Which actually, I find it a lot funnier. It is funny. Yeah. Because she's... She used to just annoy me and be like, what are you doing here? She knows what she's doing.

I used to enjoy her a lot, and then I got to a point where I'm like, you're not doing anything for the show. The stick's getting old. Now I've got a newfound life. I'm like, oh, this is kind of fun. She is much smarter than she lets on. That's what I truly believe. But we get to the Mekanos photo, and, you know, Kyle says that she wasn't really affected by it the way that people assume she was, which I actually believe her. I think it was more just like a shock.

Like, geez, that's weird to watch my ex-husband make out with somebody else. And listening to her talk about the text, I thought it was actually kind of funny where it's like, oh, I knew everything. I had all those texts when we, and I liked that she was also like, look, we were separated, not mad about it. But I did do some due diligence when he lived in the house. And I am not going to tell you guys how I did that. Yeah, that's funny. It's like, that's for the girls only. But this is what she does.

And then I'm like, what the fuck does that mean, Kyle? Because she's like, look, I want to move on and I will be very soon. I'm like, because then you have to do this whole stupid fucking mental gymnastics where it's like all these people are out here speculating that this documentary that Kyle is heading for. Morgan Wade. Because we started the segment off by saying, do you want to reconcile your marriage? And she's like, didn't really give a real answer.

Kathy obviously wants them to. I think if Moe is into it, she would. A thousand percent. But you end it with, I'm going to move on really soon. It will happen very soon. What are we talking about here?

Who? Yeah. Because now we do what you don't want us to do. Also, don't say shit like that because Bravo's going to pick up cameras and I don't want them recording you guys yet. I don't understand. You guys need to go on a hiatus for at least eight months. can forget about this and get this stink out of my mouth.

Dude, all it does is make you go, are you talking about Morgan? Yeah. I can't help it. Like, that's my point. Which leads us right into this conversation about Kyle's sexuality, which we both agree. Yeah. It's none of our fucking business. No.

And if she wants to do this on screen where she's kind of trying to figure it out, respect. Sure. Not our problem. Look, Andy, if you want to ask her a probing question and just like leave it up to her if she wants to answer it, fine. Fine. We don't need to try to get into this. all? No. Leave it alone. But you know, she talks about talking to her daughters and that's when Kathy starts laughing because it's a big pill to swallow and then she starts to lose me a little

bit because she's going through it and not not her journey to try to figure it out because again it's her journey. I respect it. It's none of my fucking business. But this whole thing where she's like, you know, we did the music video and the photos and this and that. When I did the music video, that had never crossed my mind. I'm like, okay. That doesn't, that doesn't make sense to me. No. It just doesn't because of the content in the music video. It doesn't make sense to but she we don't need to keep talking about it you know she's her whole thing is that she's still trying to figure it out which is fine take your time do what you got to do to figure it out but it is nice to again here but this is my problem again because we talked about this already we talked

about it last season on the reunion when she talked to her daughters about it about questioning her sexuality how supportive they were it's amazing I'm so stoked that they're supportive I'm glad that they and you know Paris and Nikki's response is even funny it's like Who cares? It's fucking 20, 25. We're still discussing this. So the reactions are great. I'm glad she's working through it, but this is nothing new.

This whole scene is just extra that we didn't really need. Nope. I mean, what did Tilly say? She was surprised at how much filming they actually do and how much actually makes it. You could make three seasons worth. Yeah. Which makes me mad. It's like, you had all of this footage and this is what we got.

We've heard that with this show in particular. And I get mad about it when I hear about it for like Salt Lake, when they had multiple episodes where they didn't even have an intro because they had so much. Put extras on Peacock. Put the extended versions on Peacock. Everybody will watch that shit. Make them an hour and a half. With Beverly Hills, we've heard multiple times and I always go back to that trip last year.

Where were they, Spain or Italy? One of those two. They're on the MERS trip. Yeah. Last year, the MERS is in the purse. In the purse. Yeah, I always go back to that trip where it was one episode. And we found out very quickly afterwards, they could not use any other footage because there was nothing there. Yeah. So that's what I think about

with Beverly Hills in particular, they're filming so much, and this is what we get. This is the best. That's a bad sign. It's not good. It's a terrible sign. Tilly unintentionally out of them.

Yeah. Which is really funny. She's like, there's so much more, but there wasn't. There wasn't. There was nothing. That's the point.

But, you know, the one thing I'll give Kyle again, it's like this whole process has made her be comfortable to, it has given her the freedom to do and be who she wants to be. good. Please go find yourself. It's great. Good for you. But bring more to the show, please. And we get the final thoughts, and I wrote 10 hours later.

What unexpected surprises. Tilly, how little footage is used. Kathy, I had an amazing time. Erica, I feel good. Bowes. Everything was surprising. I'm surprised at the depth of emotion. Derreet. Yep.

I think I found a friend for life. And I'm so excited about my friend Bose. It sucks, too, because at the beginning of the scene, season. We could go back and roll the tapes. I think we were both pretty happy. We're like, good for three. We were stoked. Friends. She has been on the outs with Kyle for so long. She's been that auxiliary friend. She finally has a true friend I'm happy for. I eat those words probably for breakfast every day. Awful. You don't deserve friends. I don't want you to have friends anymore. It's just crazy. If this is what you are with friends, I'm scared. You with friends is

not fun. I don't want you to have any more friends. It was cool for two episodes and then she got just the biggest head. It's like, what happened? You could have ridden this cool wave. Like, smoking deri, it was great. You're just not cool enough to be a main cog in this show. Correct. It's just not.

It's not there. I'm not even telling you to, like, get off the show. Like, you did a lot more this year, so I'll give you that. Yeah, at least you tried. Yeah, just you can never be in the middle of the show ever again. No, it just doesn't work. It certainly does not work. And it's just her lack of self-awareness drives me up

a fucking wall, the fact that she's, you know, lauding over bows in this scene just to make sure they're still friends. That's all that was. We're still, we're still best friends, right? Like, give me a high five. Hold my hand to while I do this. She's got some, some scars from Kyle's friendship. Yeah, dude. And like the funniest. You're not going on any Amazon Lives anything like, right? The funniest. Somebody left the comment on our last one for Beverly those are like, so let me get this straight. First, you'd love to read, then you hate her. Which one is it? And I just commented back, yes. Yep. And then they called a smart asses. but yeah we did she had a three episode run true she was awesome and it crashed very

very surprising and i think that's just the way that people engage with content when it comes to bravo they're so steadfast in being like oh you love this person you're going to continue to love this person until the end of time not here we've never done that no it always surprises me that people like don't clock that and don't understand that like you can turn on on who you like yeah like we see it all the time if someone does something shitty we're like fuck off they can by the way you can also climb back into our good graces yeah but we will call it out every time i can tell you exactly the date that we stopped caring about to read and it's when i stopped using her smoking a cigarette as the photo i can go back in the archives and that's the day say that exact

episode is when we stopped that's when she got annoying again but we get the toast uh they're drinking the watermelon john from the party and it does suck we got confirmation it does actually sucks. So now we know that for sure. But they go to take the cast photo and Garcell says I'm out. Done, not doing it. See you later. And as he's walking off, that's when you get to read. Like, that's so unprofessional, Garcel. Shut up. Stop. I don't know who gave you the reins, but someone needs to reel him back in. This does not need to happen again. If this happens next season, we might stop watching. People and Garcel are not friends. What makes you, like this is, that's the problem with

who do you think you are? Who do you think you are? What makes you think you can actually make a comment? I don't know. I don't know. But what this did for me was like, I get it. I get where Garcel's coming from. She goes into the show. No, and she walks into her dressing room and she fucking airs it out. And that's where people are like, why don't she say it out there?

Like, that's what her problem is. It's like, no, she got to a point clearly where she's like, my production company's thriving. I'm acting again. I've got two grandchildren. Yep. The youngest are about to leave the house and go to college. Why am I wasting my time with these. quote, fucking assholes that

quote, don't even like me. I also fully agree with you. It does nothing if she says that in front of people. Zero. Before people call us inconsistent, because we did say that's Beverly Hills' big problem, is talking on your own. Yeah, that confessional. That could have brought into the conversation.

That is very different. This is different. Going on a rant about how much they're assholes and saying, fuck you to everybody individually is over a line that I don't think Garcel wanted to cross. No. She's frustrated. She's pissed off. She doesn't like any of them really care about her or want to be friends with her. And if you don't believe that, go back and rewatch another season.

Just pick a season in the last, like, three or four. Watch how they treat her. Watch how they treat her. Watch all of her interactions. They're very cordial. Her good reactions are with Sutton, or with Crystal back, you know, a season ago. With people that actually cared and wanted to get to know her, the way that this show operates, you've got the four in the middle that only care about each, well, really, they only care about themselves.

Then they have, like, a minor caring for others. Yeah. And they know that they won't really cross. when it comes to all of them. That's why it was such a big deal when Doreet and Kyle were it outs. But for everybody else, like Garcel, like Sutton, they don't really care about them.

They're just people on the show. They're co-workers. Sutton cares. Sutton cares, yeah. Sutton cares what everybody else thinks. Garcel does not. She doesn't need it. And I talked about it earlier.

And like when she's sitting there talking about, you know, I take full accountability. I owned my shit with Doree. I'm like, yeah. And that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that she stood by that. But she stood by it. All she was looking for on that

stage at any point is what so many of the other ladies get one person to go i hear you yep hey that's not a bad point i don't agree with you acknowledgement acknowledging that she's fucking there acknowledging that she's part of this cast acknowledging that she's not some outcast that you guys don't have time for because what we just lost once again is the one person on this show that doesn't fall in line also you know what all of those people that were online and look you can go on twitter right now and go back and look at all the people that were talking shit on Doreet's situation with the home break in calling bullshit.

And now people are the same people that are now bitching because it was Garcela called it out and not Erika Jane. If Erika Jane called it out, if Kyle called it out, you guys would be up their ass in a half a second. Oh yeah, look at her. Finally calling Doreet out. Let's see what Dorito says this time.

No, because it was Garcel. You're like, ooh, no, Garcel. 100%. Which highlights the fact that she's not part of her. of the crew because of the audience, because of the Fox Force 5, and the people saying, it's not the Fox Force 4, you know what we're saying. I understand the Fox Force 5 is not still in the show. Like, Core 4 is better. But people that complain about the semantics of it,

you know what we're saying. And that's the reason Garcel's gone. No. And to your point, and then we'll wrap it up, if you need proof, go back and watch and pay attention. Really pay attention when Garcell speaks up and what the reactions are. And then when she's done speaking, watch the side talk that happens amongst the other ladies in the group. And if you want proof of that, watch this fucking reunion. She's in her dressing room, fed up, over it.

Sutton doesn't come in there. If this was reversed and Sutton stormed off, guess who's walking right after her? Garcel. Sutton stays put, actually adds to some of the confusion, but I just, I don't get it. I don't know what's going on. She's just upset.

And, like, leaning on other girls in the group, they're sitting there speculating talking shit, like snide little remarks here and there. It's like, you guys missed the mark completely. You didn't recognize that this was happening throughout the show. You guys, I want to call yourself good people, girls, girls, girl code, this, that, the other. That only pertains to people that are in your little circle. And if they're not in your little circle, go fuck yourself.

That's a bad, bad premise for a show. It's why the show sucks. We lost a huge, important piece because without Garcel there, it's watching Sutton try to get along with Kyle and try to get into the group. It's watching Bose who fell so far from the top. off my list trying to get into the group. It's watching Dorit, try to get back with Kyle, and it's watching Erica just be there, and then Kathy laugh.

That's what we have now. Great, fucking sounds awesome. I can't wait for next season. When they insert some rando in there, that's friends with Kyle. Bet me it's Morgan fucking Wade, and then I'm really going to stop watching this goddamn show. But it's, yeah, dude, I hate it.

I think a lot of people hate it. Let's hope that our questions from our fans are in line with that. I think that they will be. I don't think to be able to answer anything seriously. First one up here from David Patrick Hines. I think this is about Garcel because there's two different questions here. Shouldn't quote-unquote good housewives stand their ground, stand on business?

Because the reason that I say it's about Garcell is because she could have read them to filth, Sutton included. She just ran. What does she gain from that? Exactly. And this is in like, there's some quasi support in here for Garcell. So I don't think he's coming at them from like a different angle. but she gets nothing. She's a successful black woman

that does not need a bunch of random white women sitting around snickering and making side comments and not getting to know her. Period. It's very easy. Yeah, she doesn't need this shit. No. She gains nothing from doing that.

And again, going back to the beginning of the episode, she was done before this even started. So what does she get? I mean, I'm going to, I would like to move on it. I can't. It's such a good, but I don't think, you know, that whoever asked that question is like coming after it I think no no I think it's coming from you're just presenting a question I think it's more that he wanted her to read them to fill

it it would have been out there on stage would we have enjoyed it sure sure it would have been nice for her because now she's still going to go off the show and it wouldn't matter she's going to go off the show and now she gives all of the ladies still standing on the stage giggling about her leaving and shit gives them ammo to be like Jesus see that's why she never got a lot it just gives them unnecessary ammo to use against Garcel, rather than leaving the show how she came on the show. She was always classy, respectful, she didn't jump off the rails. She was clean, concise, got to the point. That's what she did here. She left the show with Grace, and I applaud her for her. From Air Pick 33, who's each of your favorite dressed? Garcel and Tilly.

That's really all I have. Everybody else is pretty plain. Yeah, but I didn't think everybody looked bad. No, nobody looked really bad. I thought, yeah, they're usually... Sutton always doesn't look great, but, like, her dress choices don't make much sense to me. Well, I don't know. I just, I think that Beverly Hills usually shows up

when it comes to fashion. Fashion. Oh, God, I'm skipping all the Garsoil questions. Are they all anti-Garcel? They're not anti. It's just stuff that we've already talked about that, like, we don't need to reopen. From Beckle Ann,

why was this reunion so disjointed? It fell off. It did feel a little bit more off But it just kind of points to all the same concerns That we've been talking about It's because they were trying to find a way to fill 58 minutes with three episodes of shit We talked about the same

Like we literally just rewatch last year Oh God, I'm gonna fuck up this name from GTGEROLO From 1 to PK business skills How unnecessary was this third part of their union It was a full P-K. Full P-K. A full P-K could learn a thing or two.

It was a full pole. He was to be a scam artist. Yeah, butthole. Comment on our shit. Tell us we believe in Santa Claus. It's not your fucking business, what we believe in, pal. From Michael E. Bowes, did Sutton seem defeated, or was that just to me? It's a combination of defeated, and she just really wants to be friends with the women.

That's more so that she wants to fit in with the cool kids. I don't think her and Garcello have spoken since this. From Jay Bay the Hutt, 713, how many eyrolls did you have watching this whole thing over under five? They were stuck in the back of my head. So just one continuous eye roll. This is, well, this might actually work out for my theory, but from M. Renteria 627. Why didn't anyone even Andy go talk to Garcel as soon as she left? She really did get mistreated.

Sutton showed up afterwards. I don't know what that was about. Sutton dropped the ball. This goes into, I think that Andy knew she was done. Andy, I think that Andy may have known, I think Sutton dropped the ball. Sutton should have been right on her tail, hey, hey, hey, like flag her down. Because what you did in the final moment to show Garcel that you were her friend, you sided with Kyle. Yeah.

This is an interesting, long-winded question, but I like it from Jamie Gibbs. If the difference between asking questions and kicking someone when they're down is intent, then doesn't it kind of seem like the other ladies intentionally poke at Sutton? They do. and they know they do by the way like that's the thing where Sutton gets all this shit it's like yeah

she's not as composed as some of the other ladies but she's not doing anything differently she's just clumsier yeah all right I'll find one more in here I actually really love this one from Destiny Mitchell

housewife trade proposal oh fuck yeah let's go Garcel to Potomac while Karen is in jail oh my god yes Garcel would really work well in Potomac I think. I think her is just Elle would get along until they wouldn't. I love this idea.

Does she have any, any shows filming in the Mid-Atlantic? If Mia can fly up from fucking Miami. That's a good point. Yeah. Or if, oh, Atlanta? Yeah.

Yeah, whatever. She's just going to her son's basketball games, dude. Why don't we have to end up with that? That's my fault. That's all right. I'm frazzled. I'm a hot little potato. That's okay.

But, yeah, that's all the questions. It's over, and I know it's going to be back so fucking soon. I know it will. We're going to blink, and we're going to see the fucking trailer, and it's going to be the same goddamn thing. I'm going to be so fucking mad. Anyway. At least there's a lot of fun shows.

There's a lot of good shows coming out. The Valley's awesome. You are actively not ending in on that, aren't? No, Miami's coming back. I'm just, I'm trying to... June. Positive. positivity. Vanderpump Villa.

Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. We've got things to look forward to. Wussah. You're good. Everything's going to be fine. I feel fine. You got anything else? Nope.

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