Bros & Shows - Gina is Doing the MOST! (Part 1 of 2) (RHOC Full Recap w/ The Brooke Ashley)

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

What's up Bros? We're back with RHOC and joined by one of our FAVORITES, The Brooke Ashley. In part 1 of this episode, we go over the state of the Housewives world before diving in to RHOC. This season has started off really well and we're excited for things to come. Jenn lets Katie and the audience know that she's ben evicted from her house. Gina takes this personally as though Jenn is sabotaging her career by being evicted since she vouched for her. Alexis has made it clear that her one and only storyline this season is going to be Johnny J (booooo). Tamra announces her goal for this year is to have less friends that talk behind her back, then calls Shannon a horrible person and friend. And the irony is palpable. The focal point of everything being that Gina is taking a major issue with Jenn being evicted and is taking it very personally. In retaliation she seems to be forgetting that she came from humble beginnings on this show as well and has taken a liking to treating Jenn like the broke girl in the group... All that and more on part 1 of our RHOC recap! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros, but this is a crossover episode with the one and only the Brooke Ashley is joining us and joined, as always, by the one and only Shooter Maguder. What's up, everybody? Hey, guys. I am so excited to join y'all today. I have so many thoughts on this latest episode of O.C. So I can't wait to get into it. Yeah, we're pumped to have you on here. Obviously, it's always great to have a little collab. And your thinking's always pretty much in line with our thinking. So usually runs pretty smoothly. Yeah, I'm excited to get into it. And before we do, I want to give a quick shout out. If you guys are not aware, Brooke has started her own podcast.

She's moved from not only on YouTube, but now she is doing a podcast as well. So make sure you go and give her a listen, give her a subscribe, all of those good things. She's incredible we she's one of our favorites by far we love having you on so uh go listen to her and us listen to all of us we're all a team here so go subscribe to her podcast immediately get those numbies up and uh brook how is it going thus far how's the podcast life treating you it's going well it's at first i was like nervous and overwhelmed but so far so good the numbers are climbing up everybody's loving it and i'm just excited so i'm just you know i'm trying to get like y'all so you guys are my inspiration so i no no no no no no no do not give us that credit yeah we're idiots

we're just lucky to be here and that'll go right my head anyway yeah i already have to knock him down a peg like every week so yeah don't don't blow up his ego anymore than it needs to be but uh we're thrilled to have you here and we are talking o c today and before we jump into the episode i want to get just general thoughts we're two episodes in i want to start with brook and then shoots i want to hear what you got to say but what's the thoughts and feelings how's the season started out so far bro so far i think that they're a 10 out of 10 oc's always been one of my favorite franchises i always thought that they were wildly underrated so i feel like this was definitely one of their best premier episodes that fight with alexis and shannon at the end of episode one was just phenomenal

then you have this new drama stirring up with gina and jenn that i can't wait to get into but yeah i'm loving this season so far and i cannot wait to see how it goes throughout the remainder of the season shoes what you're thinking yeah i feel like it's actually entertaining which is more than what we got last year last season was not that entertaining this season it feels like there's a lot of different dynamics that we have to dig into there's a lot of fun fights you know obviously i mean we're talking about somebody not making their rent so i feel bad calling that fun but it's different it's a little different because typically on housewife shows we're talking about Heather and her extravagant mansion and all these things going on.

And now we've got the other side of that coin, which is the drama between Gina and Jen talking about their career versus Jen trying to make ends meet and figure out what she's going to do for housing. So it's a lot different. It's a little unique and it's keeping us on our toes, which is really all we can ask for at a housewife show at this point in time because a lot of the other franchises are falling apart. Yep.

Yeah. And that's another thing I wanted to touch on. Before we get to that, I do want to echo shooter because we, I don't know, did you like last season brook i i thought it was okay but i just hated the way they ganged up on heather i thought that was like a heather takedown heather's one of my faves so i'm biased and it's like there will be no heather do bros slander tolerated whatsoever so i just i hated watching my girl be ganged up on by everybody so it was hard to watch that's fair i we hated it uh like top to bottom we hated the season or it was so funny because our audience loved that we hated it

So, like, there were some of our best, like, episodes that we did all here because we were just hate watching it. So that being said, we went into this season. We try to clean the slate when we go into a new season. We don't hold grudges most of the time, except with Jersey, but that's the fan basis fault. But with this, they came in hot. Like, the first two episodes were great. You're getting a lot out of Gina. I would argue a little too much in episode two, and I will talk about that shortly.

But it is a much more dynamic. season than we got all last year, honestly, in my opinion. So I'm excited for the rest of it. And we're about to jump into the full recap. But let's discuss the state of housewives just real quick, across the board. Jersey, we got Potomac. There's a lot of messes out here. So what's your professional opinion about the state of housewives as a whole right now?

I think the majority of the franchises could use a revamp, like how they did New York. I think that I honestly, and I was listening to one of my other, another favorite creator that I watch, and she made a great point that honestly, it should be like housewives should be swapped out every six seasons. I think that after six seasons, we do get the full story, that their stories come full circle.

And after a certain point, it's like you have nothing else to give us at a certain point. And I think that that would keep the franchises just flowing and not so stale to keep people on for nine or 10 or 11 seasons. It's too much. I just think that across the board, they need to just start fresh, give us some new faces. I think that we would actually be entertained versus still keeping the same people. But that's just just my thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, I kind of want to echo that a little bit just because I feel like there's too much comfort level for a lot of these women that are on these shows for so long. They know that they're too big to fail. They're not going to get fired. Bravo's not going to drop them. I mean, we saw that with Kyle this year. We see it with Doreet every year. We talk about Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills is one of the biggest shows of that where it's just people on forever and they've run through their story and they're not giving us anymore.

So there has to be more of a threat. There has to be a little bit more danger when it comes to that. You have to bring it up. Like you really have to make sure that you're going to bring it every season. You can't just coast through a season because we're watching you because we want to be entertained. If you're not entertaining us, then what do we need you for? So there has to be something going on there. And I feel like they've just kind of drug these women along and along and along for season after season when we're.

just tired of them so that's i mean that's one of the many problems that these shows face and obviously we can get into the the forced toxicity the forced drama the things that come on from behind the scenes the producers are pushing narratives there's so many different things that we can go into but they've got a big problem on their hands right now so i honestly i'm happy with where oc is right now at least two episodes in because at least it's funish and there's more going on and obviously we're going to look forward to miami coming back salt lake coming coming back to see what's going on there. So there are still a few franchises that are incredible that we're really excited to get back into.

But there's a lot that are just clunking along right now. And those are the bigger ones. So term limits for Housewives is what we're implementing here. Okay. Is there a loophole? Like if someone's performing and performing and performing, do we want to kick them off the show? Is it just, is that when we send them to legacy or like a girls trip, shoot or save? This is fucking girls trips.

I'm just curious, like, if there's any, because I don't know. I mean, I guess the Miami cast, it's hard to say because they got put on pause for a while. So you can't really, that's different because they had their breather. So I agree. I think that's an easy one to implement six years, max, and then it's time to get. And it doesn't mean they have to go away entirely, but maybe just shift to a different show. I agree. I think we're all on to something here.

Nice job, everybody. But without further ado, let's jump into O. see this week. And I want to start out with, we're in like the aftermath of the fight between Alexis and Gina, or sorry, Alexis and Shannon. And Alexis is talking to Heather and brings up the lawsuit and all of this other shit. But she says two times in a row, she goes, it's difficult to me to see his ex. It's difficult for me to see his ex. Is Shannon really stuck on the John Jansen of it all? Or is Alexis trying to force this down our throat? Alexis is trying to force this down our throat. I think that Alexis definitely came in with an agenda

to get this Bravo check again because she's been off the show for almost a decade. And you can just see the thirst and desperation seeping from her pores. She's trying to force an issue because Shannon makes it clear that she's pissed about being out of $300,000. She could care less about the man. Yeah, she is a bit hurt about John, but she really cares more about the money. And I think that Alexis just wants to, drive at home like oh i took your man you could never like she just wants to rub that in her face and it's not about that no it's not about that at all but steal and i talked about this last week and i for one think it would be really funny if alexis the entire season just keeps talking about that because every eventually the rest of the women are going to be like all right enough like we don't but i i want to see her crash and burn if that's her only real plan so keep going with that if that's what you want to do you can act like you want to be friends but you can't say remarks in the background talking about how you took her man and obviously I mean look I mean it's a party in a

housewife universe of course there's going to be drama that like one girl's over here just screaming about something else I thought that Shannon was taking the high road during that entire conversation she had one issue that she kept bringing up she was not talking about john jansen johnny jay as we like to call him over here what do we call them last year stop oh oh damn it we did come up with a better one I forget what it is I don't know but I don't look I mean she wasn't talking about any of that. I was really happy with the way that Shannon was portraying herself, the way that she was handling herself. And she extended that even more by going back into the party looking over saying, hey, tone it down a little bit. You're talking about my life, my ex,

my relationship, your relationship. Why are you talking about that so loud in this room full of women like, yeah, six of them know what's going on? The other 25 to 30 of them in there, like, what the hell's going on? Like, yeah, there's cameras. We know it's housewives, but stop. Enough. And of course, Alexis is going to have an issue with that. So she is I mean look she's performing in her own way she had a plan to come in this way but it's not hitting well with the audience for sure no and why why would that be appropriate you know if you are going to go into a room with the ex of your current boyfriend how on earth is that the move to continue to talk about it to other people loudly to call attention to it and I feel like Tamara because you know Tamara's always calculated she's always trying to manipulate and make moves the only reason she's team Alexis is because she has for whatever reason decided to take down Shannon this season or attempt to take down Shannon this season. But I agree with both of you. I think that what we're seeing out of Shannon as far as her reactions to things, might I say that we've seen growth? Like it's actual,

she's mellow. Like she's taking it in stride. She's not clapping back. Like she's focused. She's keeping the main thing, the main thing. She's not getting derailed by the bullshit. it but jalen hurts rhetoric i think there's a theme and i we'll talk about this a little bit later when it comes to gina and jenn there's a theme going on here where somebody does something like alexis agreed to come back to this show she was chomping at the bit to come back to this show you're not going to get any sympathy for me because you're in the same room as your boyfriend's ex you chose to do that what do you want for me you do what you were doing and he's not a prize like Johnny Jay, like, what are we talking about here?

This guy's a, he's a dickhead. Like, I will not understand for the life of me why she's parading it around. Like she's dating Brad Pitt. Like, I think Alexis is someone, I feel like she's a pick me at her big age. I said this in my last recap. I feel like she's acting like this is the first guy who's ever liked her. This is her first boyfriend. And she's just so excited for like male attention.

Like she's a teenager. And it's like, you're a grown woman. still carrying on like you're in middle school or high school you need to grow up like the constant like that's my man and like she kept doing it when they had the when they started having the um the lunch or the dunch as hether called it but like she was still saying oh here's my promise ring i don't want to jump ahead but all it was just so obnoxious like she just she just can't help herself she just wants to rub it in shannon's face that she has this man that nobody wants and i'm like john is a dud he was leaching off of shannon for years when they were to get

other she was paying for all the days and you're bragging about that so i mean i don't know i just kind of feel like you know and you know her bragging about the van cleef ring that he bought her i mean sure he should be able to afford it he was leaching off a shannon for all those years so he saved up money to leach off a shannon to buy you a ring so congratulations to you Alexis i'm so glad that you have this washed up man as a prize that you think is a prize well there's also like he also just brought up a very huge point during that because the first time that we're talking to Alexis, she brings up how John just kind of, he just kind of like popped up in my booth one night. It was like fortuitous and it was just exactly how this is going to work. And in that next scene where she's sitting at

the dunge, she goes, well, you know, we could only put it off for so long. It was going to happen eventually. Like, what does that mean? What do you mean by that? Because it was, what, a month after Shannon and John were done? You guys were dating already? So is there overlap there that we're not privy to that you're going to drop because you're an idiot and you're not going to realize that you're telling us that? I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on real quick. I don't think you need a tinfoil hat for this. I think this is pretty true.

They met and they're like, look, John was like, look, I'm getting out of the spotlight. Alexis, you want to come back in with a bang. Why don't we bang? That's the move. And I'm going to get you a promise. He doesn't want to get out of the spotlight. He doesn't want to get out of the spotlight. That's insane.

That was my point. Oh, I think you said I want to get out. Oh, I am. I'm getting out because I'm not with Shannon anymore. You need a storyline. Why don't we hook up? I'm going to buy you a stupid promised ring, which is, by the way, it was right there. And Katie, Katie hammered it at home, but it was such a layup.

So you got a promise ring with the D. Like, that's what you're getting right now. Like, that was such an easy one. So I was a little upset. It took a confessional to get that one out. But that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm sorry. If you're like, it's not a promise ring, it's a promised ring.

Okay, what's the difference? I'm glad. I like Katie so far. I think she calls things out. I like how she moves and operate. She seems mellow, which this group desperately needs somebody that's like middle of the road. I'm curious when she gets into it. It looks like it's going to be her versus Heather. Yeah, Brooke's not going to be happy about that one. I'm not. Oh, what's your thoughts on the newbie? Um, I mean, she seems cool. Personality wise. Yeah, she's chill, but she's not really giving me like a lot like I don't know I'm kind of bored already and it's no shade I guess maybe because I already know that she's going to get into it with Heather Dubrow so I've already just like I'm just

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And it comes out at this party in the aftermath of everything. And Gina feels hurt that she's getting bit in the ass by Jen for not paying her rent and getting evicted and all of that. Now, Jen, I guess, posted on Instagram, I didn't know that. Like, she's posting that I got evicted, which is a weird move. I don't think that she posted that she got evicted. She just said she was moving out. Yeah. Okay. That makes her story even harder for me because she's acting as though Jen getting evicted was a personal attack on her. I don't understand that. Like, for her to, and we're going to jump around a little bit throughout this, but for her to blame Jen and the eviction for not getting a callback from another agent, I thought, is that how it works? Like, you didn't get a callback because they heard that one of your tenants got evicted? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Well, no, I will say, though, this is what I was talking about when it comes to Shannon and Alexis.

The same thing is going on here. Gina, how long has Gina known, Jen? You're going to vouch for her with your brand new career that you really care about. We know you care about your career. You won't stop talking about it. You really care about this real estate career, so you're going to vouch for somebody like Jen that you know nothing about. The only thing that you know about is that maybe she cheated on her husband with Ryan, who she's now with. Not really a good character judgment there.

and you're going to vouch for her and not do a credit check and just put her into it. No credit check is wild. No credit check is fucking insane. And you're going to go put her in a new house early in your career when this could backfire on you. So no, it's not a personal affront. Jen has her own shit going on. But Gina taking it as a, well, you're going to do this to me. You need to understand what you're doing.

Well, Jeannie, you vouch for her. Sorry. But you know what? Maybe you shouldn't have risk that this early on in your career. If this is what you're going to do, you're kind of dumb. I love that she's calling Jen stupid. that's a really stupid-ass move, Gina. I agree.

But for me and their interaction and how she's taking what Jen's quote-unquote doing to her, one, like I said, no credit check is bananas. But I feel like she's doing more damage to her own career by talking about all of this. Yeah. I agree. So let me just preface this by saying, I cannot stand Gina. Okay. And I have never liked her, did not like her when she got on the show.

I was like, why is she here? And we're going to touch on this more in that last scene. But Gina has the audacity to talk about this woman, like a dog, I might add, about her finances, when Gina has been broke since she stepped on this show. She's been broke since the beginning. So she's the wrong person to try to dog somebody else about their finances. Now, I agree with Shooter about that was dumb of her. her to put her neck on the line without really knowing Jen.

And I understand her being upset because she just started her real estate career. So I do, I will give her one point for that. But for her to act as if Jen planned to have money problems is beyond me. Nobody wants to have money issues. Like, what are you talking about here? That's stressful. It's not fun. So for her to act as if Jen did this on purpose to throw her over, it's delusional.

And I honestly feel like Gina is just getting place. out of the fact that she's no longer the broke one on this cast. So now she wants to punch down on Jen. So be like, oh my gosh, guys, remember, it's not me. I'm not broke anymore. Like, I actually have something. I have two nickels who are up together now. She doesn't.

Let's focus on her being the broke one because it's not me anymore. Even though she's just two Zara blouses from where Jen was, but she's so not out of the woods yet. But she just wants everybody to focus on Jen was. and being broke and not her. But you would think that she would rally behind it instead and be like, hey, I think I'm owed an apology for you getting evicted out of the house that I got for you. But I know where you've been. Like, are you okay?

Like, are your kids okay? The fact that she's taking the approach of you need to take care of your children, I'm like, damn. Like, that's rule number one around here in Bravo's world is leave the kids out of it. We don't go after children. Like, I couldn't believe that she kept echoing that at the end of the episode. And we'll save that for the end, because before we get there, I do want to talk about the money booth, which was not money, but fortunes. What was?

It was just questions. Questions, right. So Alexis is, well, I don't know why it's the fortunes. Steals imagining like some, what you would call it, some fortunes just floating around it there from like a Chinese restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Then everyone grabs their fortune. Can I go ahead.

Can I just add one thing about that money booth? Heather has the money, and it would have been fun if she just put some real money in there. I don't understand why that was so hard. I would have done that if I were her. And I did not like the side comments from everybody. You have Emily saying, oh, yeah, Jenny to step in there, pay her car no, and maybe pay her rent. And then you have even, and now, Heather, I love Heather down, but I didn't appreciate Heather making that joke either. I thought that was kind of nasty since Heather priced herself on being so classy and so nice, because she even made a comment saying,

well, I don't even know if the money booth would help her because she, oh, you know, it's not going to pay her rent. And I'm like, Heather, 24,000 is a drop in the bucket. You could help her out and put some money in there. I just don't like how they're all punching down on her like that. And especially when you have Gina on the cast. Like, I'm sorry. No, it's a fair point. And I'm, I'm confused, honestly, why that's taken.

I don't know if something happened in the offseason where they're all mad at her or if it's still like a Ryan residual thing because they just hate Ryan so much. I'm not entirely sure what their obsession is with her being broke. It's sad. She has kids. She doesn't have a, she is, she's homeless. Like, she's homeless. She's moving in with Ryan, who doesn't do anything because he is aiding and abetting massive gambling schemes internationally.

Like, that's who you have just moved in with, with your children. That's the point of life that she's at. She's moving in with an international bookie or the, he's not even a bookie. He's a middleman. But, like, that sucks. And everyone's like, ha, broke ass. Like, that sucks.

Sucks for you. It's to make themselves feel a lot better because this is not the richest cast that we've ever seen in the Housewife show. There are a lot of money problems floating around this group. So I think they're just all making themselves feel better by making these jokes. I don't know why Heather is. Heather's got this beautiful mansion that they just all the money. She's renovating it for like $5.8 million and doing all this stuff over here. You might want to stay out of it, Heather.

All right. What are you going to? ethics police on me 5.8 wasn't enough for you no because if it wasn't an absurd amount we got it for 16 and we're putting 15 million into it then I wouldn't but five million compared to 50 no that's a substantial amount of that's not a response uh yeah it is yeah it's not whatever well whatever i don't think you needed to stop me in the middle of my point to do that I didn't your point was made I don't even know what my point was anymore because you interrupted me it probably wasn't going then wasn't wow well anyway Alexis wants to act like a christian and uh she wants to move forward

with shannon which was the biggest load of bullshit i think i've heard in housewives in a long time that wasn't genuine at all you just had it out with her out there and you came in and talked relentlessly about the fact that you're now banging her man and that you're with john jansen so no you don't want to move on amicably and want to have a good relationship with everybody in the group you are figuring out your way to stay relevant how do i become a mainstay on this show you're not doing a good job it's entertaining because it's so silly that this is what you're focused on but that is going to wear thin quickly and like shooters said earlier i'm looking forward to when everybody else is like all right you're talking about john jansen

we've all known him for a long time the fact that she came in hot last week defending him to emily because emily was on a podcast talking shit about emily's known the guy for a while now and have seen like how he moves and operates he has she has more of an opinion about john jansen than you do Because you just met him two months ago, even though you are apparently about to be betrothed to the man, which sounds like a terrible idea. But whatever, I digress. Promise. I promise. Yeah.

But Tamara gets in. And she wants less friends talking shit behind her back, which, you know, the irony is palpable. It's insane to me. And then people want to go on Twitter or X and be like, you guys hate Tamara. It's like, no, we just call out all of the hypocrisy because it's wild to me that she could even say that. Like, you talk more shit than anybody and you do it on a podcast with Teddy. Like, that's all you do. And then you see the tweets where she reels it back and goes, that's not what I said.

It's like, that's literally what you said. So if this is how she's going to operate this season again, I'm going to get flustered in a hurry. But what's your take on Tamara that's so far with that kind of stuff? My take on Tamara, I don't like Tamara. I've always held a grudge ever since she did that to Gretchen, her and Vicki, that naked waisted when Gretchen came on and joined the show, season four, they got her drunk, she tried to get her to sleep with her son, Ryan. Yeah, that was gross.

Yeah, that was so gross. I've always just felt that Tamara is not somebody who really wants to make friends. I think that she's all about the show, and she's just not capable of being a true friend to anybody, the way she turns on people, she turns on everybody. Because think about how she loved Heather when Heather first came on the show. And then quickly, she got tired of Heather. And it was like, oh, well, you know, you think that you're better than us

and you're, you know, you're too fancy and we're tired of it. So she's a pattern of doing this. So I'm just like, it's going to be more of the same with Tamara. I'm not looking forward to it. And I hope that somebody calls her out on her BS. I mean, I'm not hopeful about it. but I'm prayerful that somebody will say something to her because I'm tired. Yeah, no, I think that somebody's probably going to say something to her at some point,

but it seems like there's other things going on this season. So she might take a backseat, which is pretty unfortunate, unless she really ruffles some feathers here or there. But there's not really anybody in this group that I can see actually going toe to toe with her. Maybe Shannon. I mean, this new Shannon might be able to go after her. My favorite thing is whenever we get those comments on Twitter, a lot of the comments are like, no, no, no, she has been very open on her podcast, as if we're going to listen to her podcast. Like, no shot.

I'm talking about what she does on the show and what I've seen her do on Twitter by herself. I am not listening to her fucking podcast ever. No, absolutely not. But we quickly go to a scene with Shannon and Tamara out in the hallway. And Shannon's question is legitimate. like why are you doing this why are you making jokes about john jansen i will say it was kind of funny that if you want to move forward amicably you should need to stop banging his ex it was mean it was kind of funny but i don't like to give it was a little funny i don't like giving her credit

but that was kind of funny but it's a fair question from shannon to be like what's your agenda why are you doing this and this is what tamer does she flips it and goes you've been a terrible friend you're a horrible person and just reads her for filth right there and it's It's like, look, you go to your confessional and say, I want to care for Shannon and this and that, but, you know, she lied and blah, blah, blah. It's like, if you really cared about her and you were concerned about her journey with sobriety and life after the DUI, you wouldn't be berating her like that right out of the gate. We're on episode two, and you just called her a horrible person. And the Shannon that we've seen in two episodes, and look, it's a long season and she's got a lot to make up for, a lot of amends. She needs to get on track with her sobriety stuff.

and you know that me personally having or have a wow me personally being sober like i have a lot to say on that and i want her to be successful with it i don't want to lie about it and i'm not going to sit here and vouch for because i don't know and i'm hoping to get more out of it throughout this season but i do know if that somebody close to me even if i'm on a show and the job is to cause up some shit i'm not going after that that's just so low and for you to sit there she's trying to get to a place where she's not feeling horrible about herself post-D-Y and trying to feel confident and trying to move forward and figure out how to do that the right way. And one person close to her is going to, one, take Alexis's side right out of the gate

just because you want to start some shit. And then two, question her character, question her morals and everything that she's going through right now. That's a terrible person. You Tamara are a terrible person and friend. Not Shannon. And by the way, everything Shannon calls out about you is correct. So it's not even fair for you to point the finger at her and be like, you're the problem.

It's like, no, once again, and as always, and forever, you Tamara are the fucking problem. But that's just my take on it. Good take, Steele. Thanks, dude. Great take. But we keep on trucking and we got Shannon, Jen, and Katie, and we're doing some stairs. And this, I felt bad because they're talking about Johnny Jay. And she's like, you know, every time we did stairs,

Is he just, I'm going to sit this one out and like, yeah, well, you know, he's been really smiling his pictures. And she's like, oh, that's just because he got new teeth. And I'm like, oh, who's going to tell her? Who's going to let her know? Because that's a tough look. But they keep talking and we get to find out more about Katie and obviously her husband. They're both golf reports. I've seen him before.

Shooter. Yeah. Yeah. Like as soon as you popped up up, Matt, as soon as you popped, I was like, oh, yeah, I've definitely seen that guy. on the golf channel or something. But the focus of this is Shannon and Heather because last year we saw, and I can't believe we got to call back to the vault already. I was so tired of hearing about the stupid fucking vault that Heather apparently,

it's in the vault, it's in the vault. It's like, yeah, but you keep drawing attention to it. You don't say what it is, but you keep saying you set it up so that people speculate. And then you go, I can't talk about it because it's in the vault. Yeah, but the vault's definitely open. Yes. The vault is open. closed. Yeah, it's not locked or anything. It's there. It's in the vault, but the door's open.

Yeah, anybody can go in, but it's in the vault. Yeah. But I guess my whole thing with these two being able to move forward, yeah, Shannon was a disaster last year. And that's pretty apparent. But will Heather be able to give her some grace and also understand, like, yeah, you weren't openly saying it, but you were alluding to things and leaving the door open for other people to talk about it? okay we'll keep going no no i think that yeah that's a good point i didn't think that we needed to follow up on that i thought you were making a good point i just always want to leave i always want to make sure we have time to respond if needed have like the upward inflection at the end of the sentence thoughts question mark thoughts questions comments concerns regarding that no okay we'll keep going then but while this is all going on

Jen is talking about that she needs to sit down with Gina. Now, do you think that Jen should know that Gina's out of sit down? Or do you think that she should be, because she seems confused why Gina has any issue with her at all? Like, should she at least be like, hey, I'm sorry? So I think that Gina should have received a phone call something. Like, because at the end of the day, while I cannot stand Gina, and I do think that Gina isn't the wrong with how she's handling this. I would like to think that I'm fair enough to admit that Gina was definitely owed a call. Like, I know that you put your name out on the line for me.

You're new to your real estate career. I don't want to come in between that. I'm not trying to mess anything up. But this, you know, X, Y, and Z happened. I didn't think that this would happen. My ex-husband, you know, he's supposed to pay the rent. He didn't. We're in this boat.

So yes, I do think that Gina is owed something. Now, the way she's going about it is a completely different story, but I wasn't mad when Jen pulled her to the side and said, hey, Gina, let's sit down and meet up because I do want to explain to you, you know, what's going on. Now, I noticed that when Jen was trying to say, oh, hey, you know, let's set a date to meet up so we can talk about this. Gina was not receptive at all. It was almost this entitlement of like, well, yeah, you should be coming up to me. Like, well, like, okay, like Ann, like she wasn't, she wasn't friendly or pleasant about it. And I'm like, okay. hey, I understand that you're upset, but you don't have to be an asshole about it. You don't have to be rude about it. I'm sure that she feels bad enough.

The same way that you felt for the last six seasons broke, remember when Shannon was helping you with stuff? She helped pay for your lawyer for your DUI to keep you out of jail. When they went to Rodeo Drive, she couldn't afford to buy anything. Shannon bought her a few pieces. So I'm like, have that same grace for somebody else going through what you just went through. And I just, I hate how Gina's being so nasty about it. Like, okay, you can be annoyed. but don't treat this girl like she's nothing just because she's having a hard time.

Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. And look, we can point out both sides of it. Jen being completely ignorant to how Gina stuck her neck out for her is a little wild. Like, do you not understand how life works? Do you not understand? Like, I get that you don't want to talk about it because you're going through financial struggles. That's fair. Okay.

But this is somebody who put their neck out for you to get a house. So yes, you should be communicating with her and at least letting her know where you stand but jean's side heavily outweighs that i can look over the ignorance because it's maybe jen just didn't understand what was going on or maybe she was just completely turned off by how much animosity gina had towards her and she wasn't giving her any grace so yeah maybe i don't want to explain myself maybe i don't want to apologize to you okay that's fine i don't understand where jean is coming from jina just she has no perspective for all the reasons that brook just laid out for us, Gina has been in Jen's position for season after season after season. She's still in there,

by the way. Thank you. Because she's talking to Travis, up getting into a new house. And we see scenes from next week where Travis looks over and goes, stop acting like you're doing this for the kids. You just want a bigger house. I probably agree with that. Honestly, I'm going to need a little more context, but I do agree with that. So I don't understand where Gina's coming from, putting Jen down like that. And just, you know what, this is Housewives 101. You're going to have some sort of issue with somebody else, and you're going to plan a lunch date. You're going to plan a little sit down where you guys talk it out. So don't act like you're blindsided by it. And also don't sit at this party and say, this isn't the time we're placed to talk about that. I don't want to

talk to Jen about this. And then go and talk to Emily and Heather and everybody else and let people make jokes about how she doesn't have enough money to do this. That's not how that works. one quick point just to piggyback off of that when her and emily and i think um was it katy in the conversation at the at heather's lunch when they were talking about jen and um they were like oh yeah because i saw on instagram she said that she was moving or whatever have you and i think gina is rep jean says something like she needs to like get off her ass and get a job and stop depending on her ex-husband and ryan and she says that several times throughout this episode. And I really feel like a big reason for her anger is jealousy.

I think that she's angry that she's in a position where she's, she's supporting her man. Because Travis, we don't know what he does. Travis looks broke. So I think that there's jealousy. No, no, look, think about it. He moved into her home. He didn't have a home for her and her kids moving. He had to move into her townhouse. Yeah. The opposite. And I think that she's resentful of the fact that She doesn't have a man to support her, give her some money. She has to be the breadwinner and do it all on her own. So she's resentful of the fact that Jen actually can ask somebody for help, and she can't. She has to do it all because she keeps saying it.

And I'm like, Gina, the jealousy is slipping out because you keep referencing Ryan and her ex-husband. And you're mad because you can't call anybody. You're the only person who can help yourself out in this situation. Yeah. Ontario, the weight is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live, bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips. Whether you're a seasoned player or just starting, signing up is fast and simple.

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I brought it up earlier. I brought it up earlier. Would this debacle with Jen? and getting evicted. Would that lead to an agent not returning Gina's calls? Is it fair for her to say, I had this cash deal lined up? She cost me 50 grand. I'm like, I don't think she cost you 50 grand.

It sounds like the deal fell through, which happens all the time, especially in this economy, in this market, to get the hell out of here. You can't point your finger at Jen and be like, you getting evicted because I didn't do my due diligence and run a credit check on somebody I haven't known very. long, by the way. And also, we're in Housewives world. Of course, I'm running credit checks on everybody. I don't believe them. I would assume most of them are in debt. So of course I'm running a credit check because I'm not trusting you. That's her fault. And again, I feel like she is digging her own grave in her career by saying this stuff out loud. It's like, if I'm looking for an agent, well, I might go to her because you're not going to check my credit. But if you do, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I want the Jen deal. Why don't you?

and check her credit. That's the other thing. It's not like we're getting any proof that Jen requested to not have a credit check run because that would come out right away. If that was the case, Gina would say that immediately. I did her a favor. She came to me asking to not do a credit check so that I could get her into this house. I don't think that happened.

I think Gina's just a shitty real estate agent. Let's be honest. And the funny thing is, and that's what I was talking about with the perspective angle from Gina, she has no perspective. She's blaming Jen for not getting a deal done. Okay. those two are not connected it's not like let's paint it this way it's not like this new investor or whoever this new deal was supposed to be with ran a credit check through gina to see how her tenants are doing if that's even the right word you're not the landlord you were the facilitator that got her into that house yes you kind of put yourself on the line your word is there but you're not collecting the rent from her every time yeah you were cced on the emails i would venture out to say that you probably just did a terrible job on that next deal and they don't trust you so they moved on to a different real estate agent you don't

look that good at your job to be honest no she does not she does argue she could spin it and be like i can get people anywhere i'll get you you don't have credit i'll get you in a nice house i don't get shit you might get evicted but that's not on me she could take that approach like the saul goodman approach from breaking bad she could do that where it's like she's the sleazy realtor it's like i'll get you in then i'm out but i'll get you you in the door like if she leaned into it instead of blaming gen for her problems because that doesn't make sense to me but we could talk about it for a while let's keep truck and we find out emily knew about it and later goes on to say that she put two and two together bullshit and i realized yeah what

like that was so dumb like no you didn't do sleuth work and be like i figured it out she got evicted from that house i put two and two together no gina told you Gina clearly told you and that's a another knock. And that's what Jen brings out. That's one of the twos. So the first two is that Gina told you. The second two is that you saw her moving out on Instagram before she was actually ready to let up her lease. So yes, good job. Way to go. Great detective work. It's just it's such a funny way. Yeah. Like I figured it out. I got to the bottom of this whole thing. But Jen makes a really good point. And I'm not like a Jen sympathizer. But for her to say, Honestly, like I get it as friends talking about things, but you're an agent and you are openly telling people that I'm going to talk shit about your finances to other people.

Again, you're doing more damage than Jen did to you. If you just said, oh shit, she got evicted, that sucks. I've put my neck on the line for. I hope we can have a conversation about this. Play it that way. And then you can play like, as you said, Brooke, you've been in this spot before. So now why don't you be the shoulder to cry on now you get the sympathy vote. I think

You're already doing that with Shannon She's already doing that with Shannon So why can you do this now with Jen? That's a great point And I think that it would do her a lot of favors What I think happened I think that for an extended period of time People have been saying

What does Gina do? All right? Like she doesn't bring a whole lot to the show She's not super wealthy She doesn't seem to fit the criteria Of what a housewife is So she's been living in the comments, I think And she's like,

i'm fucking bringing it this year and i'm taking jen down with me and this is the second year in a row that we've had jen in the crosshairs we had tamer trying to take her down last year as she brought her on the show as a friend of or as a friend and then went after her and now we got gina going after and i maybe it's the low hanging fruit maybe it's like the new newbie on the show still or it's like i'm going to go after jenn i don't really know but they what do you think what Why is Gina focused on the finances? You pointed out earlier. Is it simply because I'm no longer the broke one or is there more to this?

I think it's that jealousy with Jen having had support from her ex-husband, her dad, and her current boyfriend. And I also feel like I think that Gina is just very insecure. I don't like her or Emily. They both wreak of insecurities because you see in the truth. trailer with Emily, she's still projecting her insecurities onto Heather when they're talking about something. And it's like, I don't know. I think the both of them, they just are miserable people. And if they can punch down on somebody, that's what they're going to do. So I think that with Gina, she's just unhappy and she's getting pleasure and enjoyment from talking about somebody

else's finances because she was paranoid for a long time that they were talking about her. Because remember when Bronwyn was on the show, she snapped at Bronwynn. Bronwyn had said something like, oh, well, I don't know what private school to send my kids to. And Gina just snapped at her for no, like, you know, well, everybody's not privileged like you and how dare you. And Bronwyn was like, well, I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying what school should I send my kids to? Where, like, where do we go? How do we go from there?

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