Bros & Shows - GnA is Jealous of Stacey. And They Should Be. (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOP is cruising right along and it is a good show. For now. GnA need to get over the Stacey stuff because it's getting tired. Chris Samuels confirms that he did not speak to Stacey, M...onique confirms that both Chris and Cookie are known liars, but GnA still maintain that Stacey lied and "cant be trusted around kids (what?) and husbands (you dont have one?). Monique makes it known that she will get to know Stacey on her own terms, but she definitely is watching closely to see if the things the group are saying is true. Angel continues the snoozefest as she turns her sights to Wendy. Keiarna just might not be cut out for the housewives world.... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This season is still great, but it's great because of Stacey, and I'm getting a little nervous. I'm starting to get a little trepidacious. It's only one person that I'm trepidacious about right now. One and a half. It's one and a half. One I expect it from, the other one, is more of a newbie, and I don't care for it. I'll put it that way. Shows, Bros and Shows, I got to have me my Brows and Shows, Bros and Shows, I've got to have me my Brows and Shows.
Starting point is 00:00:34 Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Champagne flute Magout. What's up, dude? You got that from the DMs, didn't you? No. You made that one up yourself? Good job.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Yeah, it's been a while since I've been on John. on my shit. Yeah, I'm sorry for doubting you, but, you know, track record and everything under consideration, figured you got it from someone. Yeah, well, that feels good. Makes me feel special. I'm with you. You just started talking about what you're a little concerned about. We love Stacy.
Starting point is 00:01:10 I think Stacy has vaulted herself into top three and not number three of housewives currently. And I'm worried that the other women are getting jealous, and I don't like it. It stinks of peanut butter and jealousy, and we're starting to revert back to some things. Giselle is getting very green-eye bandity. Ashley's doing the most Ashley's shit that she could possibly do. We're getting newbies that are trying to attach themselves to some of the OGs on the wrong side of history. It's getting a little messy, and I think what reels it back in is Stacy's so good at her job. Whether you like her or not, you can't deny the entertainment.
Starting point is 00:01:51 value. But that can only sustain us for so long. That will run its course to where it'll be damn it, we have to watch this. Stacey's a reprieve, but the majority is going to be frustrating. I want to note, this show is fine right now. Yeah. It's not bad. I'm enjoying it. I've enjoyed it every single week. I'm seeing things that are alarming and I am going to call them out now in hopes that they will go away and we will continue to have a good product. The whole thing is really, and obviously it's very Stacey-centric. This episode is very Stacey-centric as well. I think the issue is we've seen this play out now, what, over the first eight, nine episodes of this season where they're trying and they're trying and they're trying.
Starting point is 00:02:38 And yes, even Stacey, even the people closest to her like Wendy are going to admit, sure, she's lying. Sure, there's inconsistencies. But it's the way that they're doing it. And I know I've been holding on to, and it was wishful thinking, that Giselle secretly loves Stacy and she knows that she's good for the show. This kind of put that to bed for me this episode, because you can see she's got some issues with Stacy. And I don't really know what it is specifically because, yeah, she's lying.
Starting point is 00:03:04 But does it really affect your lives that much that you need to just try to shoehorn in Monique and try to make her mad about the situation? No, absolutely not. They're trying so hard that it's getting to a point where I don't think that Stacy can continue to be herself because I feel like it's going to irritate her to a point where it's not going to be great anymore. So they need to back off. I mean, we've done it for what? Like I said, eight, nine episodes. And there's nothing there. It's not landing. There's nothing further to talk about. You're still at the surface. Stacey's not allowing you to crack through, maybe the information that you have,
Starting point is 00:03:36 the facts, quote unquote, that you have. They're not allowing you to get to a deeper place that makes this an interesting storyline. It just looks like a witch hunt, which never works on these shows. And if that's what we're going to do and we're going to continue to poke and prod until eventually you you think Stacey's going to break down and tell you some truth that's going to break everything apart. It's not going to happen. We're just going to be at this stalemate forever, which like you said, is going to get boring. Exactly. And we don't like gang ups ever. You know, they are necessary evils for one or two episodes, i.e. Roslick. We watched that with Lisa. Those were necessary conversations on the yacht trip. Nine episodes of a gang up.
Starting point is 00:04:15 is stupid. It tells me you guys have nothing else to discuss. There's nothing interesting going on in your own lives. So you're pointing us all at Stacey. But ironically, what you're doing is getting us to like her more and like you less. Yeah. And I don't understand how any of the housewives on this show can't see this coming. I mean, a lot of them are seasoned bets. I know that Ashley's going to continue to be Ashley, but she's being way more Ashley than what we want or need. And that's getting to a point where you should just be able to look around and say, yeah, Stacey, was actually a fan favorite last year. She's not really changing her behavior.
Starting point is 00:04:49 She's becoming more of herself, which to me would indicate, okay, the fans are going to like her more this year. And if we keep going against her and the whole group is doing it, especially the way the Kiarna is going about it. I mean, I'm done with Kiarna. She brings nothing to the show. She's annoying the hell out of me. But everybody else, it's like, okay, Ashley, you've been on this show for a long time.
Starting point is 00:05:09 You know how these things play out. You get butt hurt almost every year because people aren't on your side. You don't get the recognition of being an OG of this show like Giselle, like Karen, even like Wendy, who isn't an OG, gets recognition. You're not there because you do stuff like this. If you're just likable and you had an opportunity this year to be likable to just kind of put a lot of that shit to rest because now you got paid by Michael. You have money.
Starting point is 00:05:34 You're affluent. You can buy a house near the river and be like Angel and talk about how your house is near the river because that's important. You can do all of those things and then throw in a little Ashleyism here and there. We can kind of tolerate your music, although her teaching her kids, her song was really annoying now out of me. Everything else that comes with Ashley is important for the show. But when she goes overboard like this and you have somebody like Kearnah at your side,
Starting point is 00:05:57 it's not enjoyable. Like you have to know that with all the time that you spent on this show. So how do you not see that we're going to look at Stacey and say, we love Stacey? She's unapologetically herself. I don't care that she's lying. I'm going to make excuses for her because now I've gotten myself into a position where, she's one of my favorite housewives and I am going to make all of the excuses in the world because I think she's the most entertaining housewife on TV right now. So you don't see that after spending so
Starting point is 00:06:23 much time on this show and you're going to continue down this road that's going to make you more unlikable and you're going to have another off season where people are going to look at Ashley and be like, you did too much. We're annoyed by you. So why does she do that? I have no idea and it's not good TV. I see what you're saying, but you have to remember who we're talking about. She's never changed. We've had waves where it's more intense, less intense, but she's been the same person for her entire tenure on this show. So why would she change now? With all that being said, let's dive in and pick apart this episode. And we start out with Stacey and Kearnah.
Starting point is 00:06:55 They're still at the reasonably shady party. And things have escalated. We're now going back and forth. I don't know how we get from what we're watching to she can't be trusted around husbands or children. Yeah. She hasn't been a party to an affair. She hasn't beat a child. Like, what are we talking about?
Starting point is 00:07:16 Yeah, that was the start of, and I know Kearnah kind of already started, but the way that she went about this, she got rattled quick. And when Kearna gets rattled, honestly, really any housewife that's new to the game, they just start popping off like crazy. None of it really made any sense. I mean, Kiarna was bragging about Greg, stupid. We watched that unfold last year. That didn't really work out super well.
Starting point is 00:07:38 You're bragging about buying a condo, again, connected to, Greg, you bought a new condo because you and Greg broke up and you wanted to show them that you're a strong independent, fine, okay, still nothing to really brag about. And then you're going after Stacy saying that she can't be trusted around husbands and children. What are you doing? No, Giselle said that. Well, yeah, Giselle said, it's just the whole thing that didn't make any sense. That's where I think I kind of put to bed the whole idea and pipe dream that I had that Giselle secretly loves Stacey. Because what is this? What are we doing, Giselle? I don't understand it this is jealousy this is understanding or maybe rather misunderstanding why stacey's so
Starting point is 00:08:14 liked i don't really know what's going on here but the fact that this is what we're doing to go after stacey and we're doing this on the back of she definitely hooked up with christian who cares who keeps a fuck monique i don't understand it monique doesn't and last i checked joselle didn't you have to hire a bodyguard to stay around you to stay away from monique like what are we doing here i don't really get this you have no loyalty to monique you're just trying to take down stacey which is bizarre and if you're doing it in the context of a show and i can see that okay i get that this seems personal and i don't really understand it i think that your theory was correct for a certain period of time yeah and i think that somewhere along the way the scales tipped and she's like actually no i
Starting point is 00:08:57 hate her i don't understand it it just like you said it just reeks of jealousy that's all is coming off of this season is everybody's jealous of Stacey. The lies, sure, it's annoying. It's not unheard of in the Housewives realm. And these lies are affecting nobody but herself. It's not like she's fucking your lives up. So I don't get it. And Cherie steps up.
Starting point is 00:09:21 And she's like, you know what? Let me call Chris. Great. Awesome. Let's get this over with. She calls Chris verbatim. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Apparently, that's not valid.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Apparently, Chris is not valid. Rumors through cookie are what we're going to take seriously, but Chris saying that doesn't matter. And then Cherise goes on to say, well, we were out together the other night hanging out with these married guys, and one of them was into Stacey. And somebody made a comment like, oh, you two are into each other. And I was like, he's married. And she was like, how does that affect me?
Starting point is 00:09:55 I guarantee what happened was they were hanging out. It was like a little flirty, whatever. and she probably was making a joke. Like, I'm not married, like that kind of thing. I don't think that she was going to hook up with the married guy that does not fit her M.O. in the slightest. She is so innocent. She's clearly a prude.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Like, we know that she's not going out trying to bang married guy, Charisse. And I'm sure that was said in jest. And now you're taking a moment because you're completely irrelevant to this show now to try to jumpstart your career again. You've been trying to be a friend of for two or three years. I forget you're part of the show until you pop up. Stop it. Yeah, I had some hope for Cherise jumping into the mix
Starting point is 00:10:37 because I thought that she was going to be an unbiased third party after watching everybody just jumped down Stacey's throat for no apparent reason. I'm like, okay, cool, let's jump to Cherise. She doesn't seem like she has any skin in the game, but clearly she does. And that, again, tells me that what I'm viewing of that story is more like these guys were flirting with Stacey and they weren't flirting with me and I'm upset about it. That's what I got from that.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Because I don't think Cherise gives a fuck. And I guarantee you if we heard that story about Ashley, about Kearnah, if she wasn't dating Greg, if they were out and there were married men hitting on them, one of them would probably say something like that and it would get laughed off. But because it's Stacy again, we're trying to pin everything under the sun to Stacy to make her look like a bad person because she's constantly in a web of white lies. Who cares? I don't understand it.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And again, give me the timeline too. Because if Stacy's out there flirting with married men saying, I'm not married. That tells me she's been working with Timu for a long time on trying to reboot their marriage for a few months here. That probably predates that. So why is this relevant to fucking anything? And by the way, Chris Samuels is not married to Monique.
Starting point is 00:11:46 So there's no fucking correlation. It is madness at this point. It's so stupid. And everybody who's watching this can see it. If we like Stacey or not, we're still going to feel this way because it's stupid to watch. That's the best point. her popularities are relevant to the response that you're getting to this show. We could hate Stacey, hate it, hate her, and we would still be on her team watching this nonsense.
Starting point is 00:12:10 That's the best point is you made. And we get a quick reprieve from this witch hunt because Giselle tells Wendy about Angel and her issues with Wendy. So Angel joins the conversation and says, you don't treat me right. Are you dating? What? You don't treat me right? It's so boring. She's like, you're dismissive and snide.
Starting point is 00:12:31 She's not. She's Wendy. That's how she talks. She talks to everybody that way. And she's not warm and fuzzy. She's direct, short, and sometimes it comes off snide. Yes. But with Wendy, as she says, this is a one-sided beef.
Starting point is 00:12:47 If she's got a problem with you, you will know. You will absolutely. There will be no question marks whether or not she has an issue. Right? Like we watch her, look how she talks to Stacey. They're tight. and she will check her, and it sounds mean, but it's just Wendy being Wendy.
Starting point is 00:13:03 So this is just dumb, and she just drags Angel for even trying to do this whole thing. She's like, this is stupid. You're falling flat again. Nice try. I'm over this. Angel. I love that line,
Starting point is 00:13:15 just the falling flat line. Yeah, same. In a way for us, you know, the guys who we watch every show and we cover these things, that's a fourth wall break for me. Yeah, that means that you guys are sitting back
Starting point is 00:13:26 and you're talking about the fact that Angel is falling flat because she keeps pulling shit up from weeks and weeks ago and she only has one situation to reference because you're not involved in the mix anymore because you're so in your own head you haven't been involved in any other conversation except for what happened in Nevis which at this point to me is three months ago but it's probably a month ago in filming you're still talking about that you're falling flat and I guarantee you Wendy's having conversations with Giselle with Stacy with Kearna whoever the fuck Wendy's talking to they're all probably talking about how Angel is a dud she's not a good
Starting point is 00:14:03 housewife she's falling flat all over the place and that's what that told me right there i completely agree i think that they are recognizing she's having a terrible season that doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that and as she's standing there they're going back and forth this is going absolutely nowhere because Angel is just bad at being a housewife kiarna comes and joins the conversation and we get a little little comment from oh here comes a siamese twin Instant activation. Kiarna cannot contain herself around Stacey. And I don't know if she knows how bad it comes off.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Like it just looks like Stacy's living rent free in your head. It looks like you can't get your footing on this show. It looks like you're panicking now because you're like, shit, we came in at the same time. Look how good Stacey's doing. Look how bad I'm doing. Why am I teamed up with Angel? Maybe I should change allegiances here. It's not working.
Starting point is 00:14:55 None of those thoughts go through her head. I do think on some level she actually thinks she's killing it. I think she thinks she's crushing it. Maybe. I don't know. I get the sense when she gets triggered, which Stacey tends to trigger her a lot and Wendy is triggering her a couple times, she just pops off. It's almost like she blacks out.
Starting point is 00:15:15 She has like a blackout moment where she just goes off and has a rage moment. And that's what I'm getting because she just right out as soon as she walks over just immediately. it's like that's that doesn't tell me that you even realize you're on a show that's just you getting uncomfortable in situations that are playing out on TV and you can't contain yourself like you're too emotional you have to be able to sit back take a beat understand what's being said and understand when you need to pop off and when you don't need to pop off you can't pop off all the time because that's not going to work look at joselle she's one of the best she will hear something that she doesn't like and you'll watch her she'll even say it sometimes i'm just going to sit on it i'm going to wait
Starting point is 00:15:57 and she sits in waits until the moment arises and she drops a bomb and a lot of times it lands she's very calm cool and collected when it comes to drama kiana my god you can't you can't immediately go to a thousand because stacey said here comes the siamese twin that's an easy one just bat it away do something or ignore it you know but you got to change tactics because My God, her stock is plummeting. It wasn't high to begin with, but it is. She's going bankrupt right now. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:30 And she's not exactly some force to be reckoned with the way that Stacey's handling her. She's just swatting her away with ease. And it's very, very funny. She's laughing at her. Like, you're not doing anything. You're not even making a dent. Mm-hmm. At Fandwell Casino, you get even more ways to play.
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Starting point is 00:18:37 There are names that echo in the world of true crime. Names that carry unanswered questions. Oakley Carlson, a five-year-old girl who deserved safety, protection, and love. Yet this system built to protect her failed and Oakley disappeared. Her community still calls her name. Or Ellen Greenberg found in her locked apartment with 20 stab wounds. A case declared a suicide. But how does a locked apartment tell two different stories at once? These are not just cases we have covered. They are people. They were loved and they mattered. Their stories deserve to be told with care, with depth, with truth. I'm Ashley.
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Starting point is 00:19:47 Stacey ends up leaving because she feels unwelcomed, understandably so. And Wendy goes over, she's like, no, don't go. Like, that's the biggest one for me. If Wendy, of all people, can get over all the stupid shit Stacey does when she's making a pretty much copy and paste of her cannabis company or Eddie's cannabis company, she's not even phased. She doesn't care. She's like, Wendy's great.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Like, you guys need to lighten the fuck up and come hang out with us. She tells her not to leave. And then Giselle comes over and co-signs. saw some things I don't like, heard some things I don't like. Chris Samuels said, what the fuck are you talking about? So somebody involved in this, who has no reason to protect Stacey, by the way, said nothing's going on. We also know that cookie is a known liar. And apparently, according to Monique, Chris Samuels, known liar.
Starting point is 00:20:39 So what the hell? Why are you kicking her out of your party, Giselle, unless you see somebody that came in. It's the first newbie this show has had that has a chance to overtake you. I think that's part of it. She's like, shit, Stacey's good at this, and I don't like it. That's got to be what it is. And again, like you said, you've got Chris and Cookie, who, yeah, Cookie came in right away and said that it was Stacy that said it.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Why would Chris have any idea of having to cover for Stacy? It doesn't make any sense, especially getting some sort of real. on where Chris is from Monique, understanding that he's probably the type of guy that, yeah, maybe he doesn't want the screen time, but he likes the mess. He would step in right away and be like, yeah, somebody called me, I don't know who.
Starting point is 00:21:29 And then, sure, you can pin it on Stacey because you don't have any other options, whatever. We get the detective Wendy a little bit later, but right in this moment, if he's going to say that and he doesn't want to get involved in the mess, when he likes to get involved in the mess, then he has no information. Like, it just didn't happen that way.
Starting point is 00:21:45 So, yeah, it's probably coming from cooking. which is coming from Kiara. Like, how are we not using our brains? It's like we're ignoring any, any evidence at all just so we can pin it back on Stacey. And it doesn't make any sense. No, and it's fucking boring and stupid to watch. We're not enjoying that part of this show.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Knock it off. That's something, I praise Potomac for doing a lot of things really well, you know, individually especially. Something Potomac does terribly, consistently, too, is getting stuck. on a bad storyline. They will bury it and continue to do it just in hopes that it like amounts to something. It almost killed the show. That was the year we stopped watching. So I really hope that this new guard, this new vibe that we've had from Potomac for the past year and a half or whatever, I hope that takes over and they shift away from us because we are
Starting point is 00:22:42 reverting back to three seasons ago right now. And that was a travesty of a sense. season. I do think based on what we're seeing, though, there is a semblance. It's actually a better position than OC, because they have a much better cast than OC right now. But OC, we just needed to get through that season. We've got Vicki coming back. There's something there in the works. If they make a couple of moves, I'm going to be interested again. With Potomac, I'm looking at next season like Karen's coming back. That's going to be fun. Where is she going to get involved? Is she going to be with team Stacy? Wendy's going to come back. I'm assuming she's not going to go to jail, but she might. Who knows we are team wendy team wendy and eddie and that's the thing is wendy is having such a good
Starting point is 00:23:22 season every time the she opens the mouth every scene that she has is so good i'm like god i really hope you don't go to jail i don't want edie to take the fall but you know just get something out of it and stay on the show because i love the dynamic of karen coming back with wendy with stacey with jazelle who's been taking the seat from karen karen coming in saying you kept it warm for me like all of those things are getting me through so i do think we're in a much better position if it's they were to go down that road of just burying a storyline for the entire season. If Stacey's still enjoyable, Wendy's still enjoyable, I'll be okay because the light at the end of the tunnel is very bright.
Starting point is 00:23:56 So I'm all right with all of that. I just don't want to endure it because I know that this has the makings of such a good show. Yes. If you can get Ashley G&A to just back off, just back off of Stacey for a little bit. Give me a reprieve of like three, four episodes and then go back in on her if she lies again. I don't care at that point. Just give us a reprieve. It's annoying.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Yeah, I couldn't. I completely agree. I think that's what I'm hoping for. You're right. The future is bright. So even if it's kind of a clunky season, it's not the end of the world. I just, they're coming off of such a heater last year.
Starting point is 00:24:30 And this cast is great for the most part. So I don't want to have an offseason. But that's a good point. Moving on, we get Stacey, Timo, and Bella, and we're having a little pizza night. No offense, guys, that pizza looks like ass. But that's okay.
Starting point is 00:24:45 It looks really bad. Is that just me? It was really bad. No, it looked awful. Okay, good. I don't, I couldn't really put my thumb on exactly what was wrong with it, but there was, I think everything was wrong with it, to be honest. You know what it looked like?
Starting point is 00:24:58 Yeah, it looks like they were trying to do like a gluten-free type of pizza, but I are like a vegan and gluten-free pizza. That's what I was getting out of it. And then they put meat on it. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. I didn't like it. But it doesn't matter. We get a little update on where they stand.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Timu's not living at the house. There's no labels on this whole thing. They're trying to figure out how to navigate it for their daughter, which I appreciate. They'll figure it out somehow, but I like that they're communicative. And at the end of the day, it's about Bella. And they are taking the time to figure out how to do this the right way. So kudos to them. And she's very proud of her mom's new gummy bear company.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Yeah, I do like that. Yeah, I'm going to try one of those guvy bears. No, no, can't. I'll get you some other gummy bears. Yeah, right. Haribou. Arabo? How do you say that? Arabo.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Harabo? I never knew that. Yeah, I've always, anyway. Moving on, we get to Ashley and Mimi, her mother. Josh is still lingering around somehow, some way. I don't know how he watches this show, if he watches this show, and continues to pursue Ashley, because she's never really that nice about him. She just says, he's a nice guy. But here's all the reasons he doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Yeah. Yeah, we get a little, uh, a little cameo from. Uncle Lump, who I love. I love Uncle Lump. It's the best part about Ashley. Even he's saying it. Like, yeah, there's a lot of guys out there. There's a lot of guys out there.
Starting point is 00:26:24 A lot of other guys out there. So no one quite understands why Ashley and Josh are a thing. I mean, I certainly don't, but I also don't really care. I don't like he's getting any screen time. It's not like he's inserting himself in anything. So it doesn't really matter to me. But I still do have questions. Like, why are you still with Josh?
Starting point is 00:26:41 Yeah. And sex is just that good. Maybe it's that. I have no idea. I can't see that. But maybe, who knows? Could be. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:26:49 No shame in his game. But, yeah, I love an Uncle Lump cameo. And the focus is on Mimi and her relate. We've heard of this deadbeat she's dating before. This is a recurring thing. I'm sick of it, not of hearing about it. Mimi, you deserve better. Okay?
Starting point is 00:27:05 You seem like a nice person. The most casual, like I was throwing up the other day and there was blood in it. Oh, yeah. What are we going to do with that? It's like, what? Excuse me? Are you okay? Yeah, Ashley's concerned that you're a grandmother, you're a mother.
Starting point is 00:27:20 We want you to be around for a while, Mimi. So that's really all that happens is we just get an update on her dating life and her health. I always love the way that they do. And I guess this is a Karenism, but she's not triple 20 yet, which tells me that she's not 60 yet. I don't know where that started. I assume it started with Karen, but I love it. Sounds like Karen. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:27:43 We just need Mimi to take care of. herself okay it's because we care now we get a juxtapose scene which i labeled five a and five b with my new system super helpful and in five a we get wendy jazzy darius i only said that because i remembered his name uh and stacey joins that crew they're recapping jazelle's party and on the flip side you get angel and i wrote in parentheses y kiarna tia jazelle and ashley and they're over at Angel's rental. Angel found a new house. You don't have to say things like this. It's a little big, but we'll manage.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Oh, will you? It's eight bedrooms, but you know, we'll figure it out. What do you mean? Yeah. Shut up. Why? It's so much house. I know, guys.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Like, oh, stop. We get it. You're rich. I don't get it. All I get is Bobby took the kids down to the river to get away from all of this. He doesn't want to deal with it anymore. We've seen him in two separate scenes where Angel is still talking about the same thing that happened a month prior and he wants no part of it he's like yeah that's so would he say like water off
Starting point is 00:28:48 a duck's back or something he's just done i think he's run out of phrases to use that just say stop like who cares this sounds so stupid but yeah that whole meeting was just a takedown it's very funny because the other meeting i could have sworn and maybe this is because jazzy's wedding didn't really get a whole lot of airtime is jazzy wearing a wedding dress in her confessional yeah she's always wearing white and i wonder if it's like Hey, I got married, guys, just in case you forget. It looks like that was probably either her wedding dress or a backup wedding dress and her confessional.
Starting point is 00:29:20 I thought that was very funny. But otherwise, yeah, the whole take down, the fucking, the secret meeting of the idiots to just talk about Stacey and try to figure out how we can weave together all of these non-recurring things to just try to take down Stacey. Like, she's lying about this. She's lying about that. You heard what Cherie said. She said that she was hitting on a married man.
Starting point is 00:29:42 that's got to be something right guys no it's not there's nothing there shut up it's flimsy everything you have against her is flimsy and reeks of jealousy that's all we're getting from this whole stupid thing and i i hate hate lines like this like joselle's losing me so fast we get together anytime we get together to trash stacey you know it's going to be a kiki that's not funny it's not fun it's not cool i'm not saying like oh that's so mean it's just stupid like we don't want to watch that you guys are actively destroying your own reputations to go after a newbie they're like softball whatever again like we've said this and we're gonna continue to say it stacy's not doing anything directly to them no the closest that she's gotten is potentially going on a date maybe she had sex with chris samuels i don't give a fuck anymore but that's the closest thing that she's done to actually affecting any of your lives she's lying about her own life. And yeah, sure, maybe you uncovered a couple of things.
Starting point is 00:30:45 You never really got an answer on T.J. Does that affect any of you? You just don't like her? That's what you guys are kikiing about. It doesn't make any sense. And to take it even further to let's coordinate some sort of take down. Let's gather all of the information that we have. And that's really going to get us to somewhat be enjoyable.
Starting point is 00:31:03 It just doesn't make any sense. It's stupid and it's tacky. It's just weird. And they get together. Like, we cannot trust her. She's lying about every. Chris fucking said he doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. If we can't take eyewitness evidence into account, what are we doing?
Starting point is 00:31:23 I'm going to listen to Ashley and what she thinks happened. No, that's stupid. Everything goes back to, by the way, Ashley didn't know anything. Giselle didn't know anything. They heard this from Cookie. You had Cookie there who is claiming that Stacey called Chris, but then you call Chris and he said, I don't know what you're talking about. Talk about, like, why would Chris be protecting Stacey?
Starting point is 00:31:46 If they did that in this moment, okay, it's a huge stretch, but okay, at least you're talking about relevant information. They're not even talking about that. They're just immediately throwing it out the window like, ah, Chris is lying. You went to Chris. This is all about Chris. If Chris is saying, no, at least have the conversation about why is he doing this. Are they still seeing each other in secret?
Starting point is 00:32:07 And that's why he's doing it to protect himself, to protect Stacey. have some questions about that fine i don't care if that's the road you're going down but to just throw that out the window and still just talk about how ashley thinks that they're dating and she's heard this on the streets what fucking streets ashley's just got like a 10 million dollar payout from michael darby she's not living on the streets anymore she's got no streets who were her connections in the streets aside from cookie josh like where are you getting this information you've asked stacey a million times you've asked other people a million times you're not getting any new information so why are we still doing this and all the evidence says
Starting point is 00:32:40 no, that's the best part. And because you refuse to believe that because you're so jealous of Stacy, you continue to try to dig up shit. And each time it's a dead end. And once it's a dead end, you do my least favorite thing in the whole world. And it is running rampant in our country right now. You just decide to ignore facts because your feelings are so strong, they must be true. That's the dumbest shit you could possibly do is ignore fact because you feel strongly about something. That doesn't mean shit. Your intuition's ridiculous. Stop it. For the love of God. And on the other side of Stacey talking about a Kiana's coming after all season, it's getting old. We have seen it. And the montage we got really paints a picture. Anytime
Starting point is 00:33:27 they're in the same room, she's at a thousand going after Stacey. Why does this woman live so rent free in your noggin? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm trying to understand other than being jealous of her success, what this driving force is? Is it because she's quirky and weird? Is that part of it that you don't understand her? I don't know. It's almost like they're,
Starting point is 00:33:52 like from Giselle's perspective, maybe it's this isn't how this show is supposed to go. There were rumors that she was lying about the TJ situation and that she had paid them to be on the show. We never really got to the end of that. So I'm pissed about that from a show standpoint. And that's why I'm upset with her. it's like okay fine yeah keep talking about that until you get some answers all right fine but
Starting point is 00:34:15 for everybody else involved it's got to just be because she's quirky and people like her that's really all it is and i do think with this juxtapose scene jazzy did herself a good service by tearing up by having people come over by having stacey and wendy come over to talk about this because jazzy's not really involved yeah she's at all of the events she's a friend of but she doesn't really side either way. And I know she doesn't really like Kearna. But again, if you're going to do that and you just see this with Wendy and Stacey over here, there's a free spot.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Might not go over there. Get yourself some air time. Have the girls come over to your house. Talk about it. Insert yourself in the information. Try to drum up some drama and just try to pick a side at this point because that's kind of where we are with this season. So I'd like that Jazzy did that. But again, the other side of this is so sad.
Starting point is 00:35:04 It's just boring. it's depressing like you women are really getting together just to talk about Stacy and try to fabricate information and just based off a feel like it doesn't make any sense and you have to understand too the most seasoned vets on this show are on that side of the room and this is what you're coming like to TV with this is what you think the viewer wants to do no we don't want to do this it's a tough look man it's a tough look so let's keep trucking and mind you again and Ashley always does this and it's one of my least favorite
Starting point is 00:35:37 tropes of her. She always tries to, like, rain things in with a deep, cathartic sentence. Like, you know what, guys? Let's get Monique. Give her all the facts. And when she has all the facts, she can make a decision. You can't say that when you've been
Starting point is 00:35:53 behind the scenes spreading this information for nine episodes. Then you can't be like, once she has the facts, you ignored the facts. Chris said, no. That is not being input into any of these conversations that he said no you didn't need nobody brought it up when they all got together to trash stacey not one person said well chris did say that he doesn't know what they're
Starting point is 00:36:16 talking about so like are we going to talk about no oh we're not okay stacey's lying got it cool great awesome boo yeah it's insanity stupid so we get to kearna and brian i like brian i like brian i like Brian, too. Brian and Kiara's mom, who I swear to God is her sister. Yeah. But anyway, this is about Greg. Greg's asked to move in together. I don't know if that means at the house or the condo,
Starting point is 00:36:46 but he wants to also purchase the condo for Kiarna. Mom doesn't love it, understandably so. She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we got separated for a reason. What do you mean you're getting moving in? She likes Greg, but don't you want her to love Greg? Yeah. I think so. This seems slimy. I don't know why. But it does seem, but it seems like he's buying the condo out from under her, but doing it as a gesture. But if they were to break up, then Kearna wouldn't have a condo anymore. And I know, I mean, it depends. Unless he bought it with her or not. Well, yeah. She could buy it just with him paying for it. I don't know. She didn't get into the details. Yeah. And the fact that there were no details makes me think that. I'm right, but again, I don't blame Kianna's mom for looking at her a little, a little wonky.
Starting point is 00:37:37 Like, why? I agree. You just moved out and got a new condo and moved out and got independence. You've moved away from him. You don't want to be with him. You've got to figure some things out. Now you're just going to jump right back in. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Starting point is 00:37:51 So I'm with Kiarna's mom on this one. I am too. I think you got to be a little more skeptical. And Greg's been nice this season when he's been on screen. But he's also cognizant of the. camera and how he came off last season. So I don't know. I think I'm on mom's team too. Skeptical. Skepticism's good. Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it.
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Starting point is 00:39:41 If you like learning things you can't wait to tell someone else, search for something you should know. Start with any episode that grabs you. I'll be there waiting. Speaking of families, we get Wendy and her sister Ivy and her mom over at her house, and we get to talk about some of her dad's stuff, which we don't get into all that often. We've heard inklings in the past,
Starting point is 00:40:02 but I guess her whole family went to Nigeria for like a month. And her dad lives in Nigeria. We learned earlier this season. They haven't seen each other in like 20-something years. Her dad claimed he was ill for a month and couldn't see anybody in the family. Ivy's approach to this is the correct approach. And I'm not telling Wendy how to feel. No, it's got to be tough.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Yeah. Absolutely. but Ivy's looking at it like look it's his it's his loss look how great we are her mom resonates the same thing he's like that he's the odd man out fuck that guy look at this look how I'm living I'm loving your money I love that that was so funny Wendy's doing well Ivy's doing well everyone's doing well don't worry about that guy but obviously it's her dad so she's going to have some thoughts and feelings about it I don't know I was trying to read why we're getting this are we going to get a dad siding later on?
Starting point is 00:41:03 Like, is this setting the table for something like that? I don't know. It could just be setting the table for him eventually reaching out or her eventually reaching out or her just kind of hitting a breaking point and saying, I'm done. I'm not trying anymore. Maybe it's just one of those types of journeys. I don't really know.
Starting point is 00:41:19 It's more than we've gotten in the past from Wendy about her dad or, you know, about really any of aside from the family that we know any of those intricacies. So the only thing we know is that her and Eddie's family didn't get along until like last. Correct. Yeah. So I'm not really positive what the end game is about all of this. I would imagine it's going to end with her reaching out and either not hearing anything or him having some long emotional text about how he's not really ready and he doesn't want to live his life like that. I don't know. It could just be also setting up for a typical Andy question at the reunion. Have you made contact with your dad? No. And I've cooped on. So I don't know. Yeah. That's a good. point. Anyway, let's get to the culmination of this episode. We get the conversation with everybody at the end. They get Monique, Kearnah, and Ashley at first, and they're just shooting the shit. They're about to bring Stacey up and figure out what's going on with that.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Again, they tell Monique what the backstory is. Cookie said this. Chris said that. Her first response is, I don't know, you're dealing with people that twist truths. so she's already skeptical of this entire thing and in her confessional she flat out says I don't give a shit I don't care I just want to make sure the facts are straight but I could care less about this whole thing so you're getting all and I hate
Starting point is 00:42:44 that's a trope we get a lot on reality TV you get people mad on behalf of somebody and the person they're mad on behalf of is not upset that is the worst storylines you can possibly have This actually kind of takes the cake because we've been talking about it so much. We had the quote unquote confrontation at Pride where Monique finally made her appearance. They tried to push it.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Kiarna tried to get involved and force it in there. It didn't work because Monique doesn't care. She has moved on. She's done a lot of therapy. She's done a lot of healing. Her journey is complete. She's done with Chris. She doesn't care what he does.
Starting point is 00:43:22 She clearly doesn't care what he does. There's no emotion behind it. And I think Monique has the right approach. she goes to her confessional and says, look, I don't know. I'm going to make my, I'm going to make my whole demeanor towards Stacey based off of what I learn from her, not from other people. She could very well be lying about all of this, but it doesn't really matter right now because her lies aren't affecting me. That's the right approach. Or somebody like Stacey, Wendy kind of dipped her toe into that and saying, yeah, I don't know, she's probably lying, but it doesn't really
Starting point is 00:43:51 matter. And then you can get through it at the end of the day. So that's why this takes the cake because we've been doing this in so many different ways. We've tried so many different angles to pit Monique and Stacey against each other, to try to force this, to try to make this a big effort for the whole season. And Modique shows up and she doesn't care. She just simply does not give a shit. If Stacey's dating Chris, okay. I don't know Stacey.
Starting point is 00:44:16 I don't care about Chris anymore. It doesn't really matter to me. But yeah, this one is a little bit closer to home because you're claiming that Stacey took all of the emotional things that Monique had said last week and ran to Chris with it. That's fucked up. If that's true, then sure, Monique and Stacey are going to have beef. But Stacey's claiming that it's not true.
Starting point is 00:44:35 And I hate the way that this is put in there and the way that Ashley or Kearnah or whoever it is that explains this to Monique, she says, we had Cherise call and say, did Stacey call Chris afterwards? That's not how it went. Sherees called and said, we heard that somebody called you and told you everything that Monique was saying at that lunch. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:44:58 No, it wasn't true. I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about. So the fact that you're putting Stacey's name into a sentence that didn't actually exist shows that you're just trying to lead her down that path and Monique doesn't give a shit. It's so stupid. It's so dumb. And the fact that we have to endure this episode after episode, we have to have somebody to blame. And right now I'm blaming Ashley and Giselle.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Yeah. Objection leading the witness. It's not allowed. Stop. G&A is crumbling. We're watching those two absolutely crumble at the site of somebody good at their job. That's all. And I've said it, I don't know, 30 times this episode.
Starting point is 00:45:35 I'll keep saying it until they wake the fuck up and do their jobs. This is not it. This is absolutely not it. And Monique, you can see, is just gathering the info. It's almost emotionless. She's just like, okay, okay. She's not reacting. She's not been like, oh my God, she's just listening.
Starting point is 00:45:52 And so now she's like, okay, so Chris said no, interesting. And now we get Stacey involved because Kianna's at the table and Stacey's about to show up. And Karen's like, I don't want to talk to her. I have no interest in that fake ass bitch. And Stacey walks in, Monique gives her a hug. She's very nice to her. And Kiana goes to sit at the bar by herself. Now, this is a really good metaphor.
Starting point is 00:46:20 for Kiana's season. She gets up from the table, excuses herself, to go be by herself, right? She thinks, oh, this is a good move. I'm not putting up with shit. I don't take any shit. That's what this is translating into. I'm going to go be by myself. I don't need this W for Kiarna.
Starting point is 00:46:41 What it actually does, you're separating yourself from the group, from the conversation. You're showing us you're not capable of being involved. involved in the group when there's an altercation, and now you've taken yourself out of the mix entirely when you need to be making up ground, but instead you're sitting at the bar complaining about the same thing you've complained about for nine episodes. Guess what? It falls flat. It doesn't work. Yep. You're not doing good. Which, by the way, Stacey sat down and said, I will have a conversation with you, Monique, but I'd rather do it without these two here because I know what their agenda is. Ashley State. She says, I need everybody here to get all the info. And she's like,
Starting point is 00:47:18 And I couldn't handle it. She was already seething when Stacey walked in. Before Stacey even walked in, she's already so mad about it. You can't do that because it shows your hand. It shows what your motive is. You're just here to take down Stacey because you don't like Stacey for whatever reason. And we can see that very clearly. Now you're getting up and excusing yourself, but Ashley's staying.
Starting point is 00:47:38 So you're going to go over there and sulk in the corner because you can't be part of this. You could have stayed and just said, look, Monique wants me here. She wants the whole table here. I won't interject, I'll let you tell your side of the story, and this is how these things are supposed to be handled. She knows that she can't do that. She knows that she's just going to get all revved up, so she leaves. And that tells us everything that we need to know about what her involvement is in this.
Starting point is 00:48:02 You can't handle it. You can't handle the heat of this show. And again, we've said this all season. This is light work. It hasn't even gotten caddy yet. This is easy shit and you're floundering. Well, that's the other thing that kind of leads in. to that is you're not really involved. If we're just looking at this whole scenario and this whole
Starting point is 00:48:22 situation that Stacy's involved in with Chris and Cookie, you're barely involved. You're only involved because you heard from Cookie that Chris was on the other line talking about how somebody just gave him that information. That's your only involvement to what we understand. But if you're not able to handle that and situate yourself through all of this, that tells me that you're deeply involved in this that you have another game in here that you have another hand to play in here but you can't really do it so that tells me that there's something else here and i think that's what wendy kind of leads unto yeah exactly and as they're talking you know wendy shows up and i'm glad wendy's there because she's the only one that's like well time out guys
Starting point is 00:49:04 chris and stacey are adamant that they didn't talk so that's something that we need to acknowledge and as mo and stacey are starting to talk to each other monique says to her i don't associate with people and not even like a mean way it's just like hey i don't know what you're doing but i don't like to associate with people and associate with my ex fair understandable we get it stacy's like well great i didn't date chris and monique's like well wait that's what i was told and it's like exactly and that's why i love monique she's not just listening and going oh wow what a bit She's going, oh, that's strange because I heard that you were dating. Now I'm finding out.
Starting point is 00:49:46 And again, she's been on this show before. She knows how it goes. When she walks into the restaurant, she's like, oh, shit, I remember how this goes. Like, forgot about it. So she knows what's up. And now she's hearing, okay, well, maybe Ashley lied. Maybe Giselle's lying. You guys are all pointing at Stacey, but your story's not matching up.
Starting point is 00:50:03 It doesn't make any sense. The evidence is not evidencing. So now she's putting things together and she doesn't have a side. which is she's had a great reentry into this franchise, which I agree, yeah. But even so, she says to her like, oh, I don't, I don't care if you did. I just don't want to hang out with you if he did.
Starting point is 00:50:21 But that's the best, it's like she does not. There's no emotional response here that these, these other housewives are so desperately wanted to have. Yep. And Stacey goes a step further. Allow me to continue to exonerate myself, Monique. Chris texted me on June 1st.
Starting point is 00:50:37 It said, beautiful in regards to my cover of Potomac Lifestyle or whatever. What is it called? I think it was Tomic lifestyle. And it's her and Bella. It's a great picture. Awesome. Beautiful.
Starting point is 00:50:50 It's where he texts her. It leaves him on red. And I know that she left him on red because of his follow up. Because of the response. Yeah. A thank you would be appropriate. No response. One more time.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Hey, hit me up. I heard my name's coming up and filming. let's put these pieces together Ashley because Ashley her response made me want to throw my notebook through the TV Yeah Well everybody knows how text messages work You can just go back and delete them
Starting point is 00:51:21 That wasn't even what pissed me off the most It wasn't the fact that you can't read context clues But you can't hear what she just read out And go oh Chris confirmed via text That she didn't reply with his follow-up text Okay cool That's so fucking obvious It hurts my fucking brain, but let's keep going because then, then you want to say, oh, you have his number.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's the damning evidence. She's already admitted their friends. She has his phone number. What are you talking about, Ashley? That's not the fucking smoking gun that you think it is. So between you not being able to understand subtleties, moving forward,
Starting point is 00:52:07 to not being able to understand, that's not a get me moment. You didn't get her. It's embarrassing. It's highly embarrassing to watch Ashley try to stumble her way through all of this because whatever she's setting up isn't playing out how she's going to do.
Starting point is 00:52:24 And I do think that Giselle isn't there because she wants to be somewhat removed because she doesn't really know how it's going to play out between her and Monique, and I'm sure that'll take center stage at some point later in the season. She's playing a long game. She's using strategy to see if she has to pull back on Stacey or double down.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Yeah, absolutely. And I do think that that's how it's going to play out. But what I really hope is going to play out is that Monique, who seems to be fully in control of the situation, she has a good grasp on what's going on around here with all of these things. I think that Monique's going to come out of this saying, Stacey showed me proof. There's evidence here via text message that they're not communicating. There's nothing going on here. Who set this up?
Starting point is 00:53:07 Okay, we've got Ashley, we've got Kiara, we've got Giselle. I'm hearing from all of them that Stacey's involved in this thing. And it's something that I don't really care about. But at the end of the day, Monique is a pawn to them. Monique is a means to an end to try to take down Stacey. Let's get Monique involved. She'll have something to say, oh shit, our story doesn't really work out that well. We don't have the facts to support our case.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Monique's going to look at this and be offended. Monique's going to look at this and say, look at this. you guys tried to set me up to go after Stacey because your end game is to take down Stacey. I don't really fuck with that. And I hope that's what comes about this because then you've got Wendy, you've got Stacey, you've got Jazzy, which is fine. But then you also have Monique on that side looking back like what the fuck happened here. I would love that.
Starting point is 00:53:50 If it plays out that way and that's what we get after enduring this for 10 weeks, I'm okay with that. But it has to happen soon because if we keep going down this path, it's going to be borderline unwatchable. I agree. And that's what I led the episode off with because of that. And the best outcome, which would just sweep everything under the rug and I'd be totally fine with everything that's transpired this season, if the payout is Monique and Stacey, your best friends. If this leads to them uniting against the others, oh my God, this was worth it.
Starting point is 00:54:23 This was just a slow play for us. And I love that idea. I don't think that that's what we're going to get. I think they're going to be friendly. I think that Monique, whether she is upset at the situation or not, I do believe because of her journey that she's been on, she's a new Monique. I don't think that she'll get into it too far because she doesn't want the optics. Right. This is my, this is who I am now.
Starting point is 00:54:50 I'm not getting riled up at stupid shit. I'm not getting involved in stupid shit. So even if it's under like really under her skin, I think she's going to be like, not worth it. And she's just going to turn the other cheek. I'm not wasting my time on this shit. But Wendy breaks it down for us at the end in the appropriate way. And if the other ladies had this approach, this is a much different storyline. This is just trying to get to the bottom of it without picking who did it before you have the evidence.
Starting point is 00:55:19 Because Wendy lays it out. All right, Detective Wendy, Wendy puts her detect. She borrowed our detective hat, put that on. She goes, okay, here we go. Kearn a suspect number one. Why are you taking calls from Cookie? They're not friends. Great point.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Great point. Option number two. Angel via the football connection, which there's some holes in, I believe. Yeah, that's a bit of stretch. Angel told Bobby, Bobby told Chris because of the football. So that's not completely implausible, but that goes back to Angel's story of how they met. He was on an official visit at Alabama, which that's a two or three day thing. I doubt they stayed in contact after other than rubbing elbow.
Starting point is 00:56:00 in the NFL here and they're like oh hey what's up dude and that could lead to uh oh this is so weird you're the same situation that i was in you're on a reality show i've been on let me just give you a quick heads up they're talking about you like could that have happened yes but there's a lot yeah but i don't seem like he wants to be involved at all so i don't think that that one works and that's also a lot you got to put a lot of things together to get the end game there so i'm i'm big on kearnah being involved not big on angel huge on jazelle being involved Yeah. As she said that, I was like, huh, we haven't seen this out of Giselle in a while because
Starting point is 00:56:35 she hasn't had to do this in a while, but this is Giselle coded. This could easily be a Giselle setup and she's moving pieces around to do it for her and seeing what the reactions are because that's what she does so well. And the fourth option, obviously, and understandably so, is Stacey. So there, if you want to implicate Stacey, it's not like you can't connect the dots to make this her problem. She could be lying. she's lied before and as as wendy says she's going to lie again if you want to go into it and try to
Starting point is 00:57:04 figure out how she is involved that's okay i'm not saying that she should be exonerated entirely but there's other people that could be doing this and i need you to have the same energy for them that you do for stacey that would make this a completely different season but they're not doing that giselle would be best case scenario for me because i think that would play out very very well on tv i I think that's a very good drama. Kiarna is the most likely suspect for me because the way I see it playing out, I guarantee you Kiarna's just sitting on the phone with Kuki just venting about random shit that happened, mostly talking about Stacey, probably talking about Wendy a little bit too.
Starting point is 00:57:41 And then she gets to the point of, well, you know, Monique sat down with us, blah, blah, blah, and then Cookie just goes and runs to Chris. That actually makes the most sense to me that Kiarna doesn't even realize that she's really implicated in all of this. She then realizes, oh, shit, I may have slipped a little bit and told her. cookie but cookie wouldn't go and do that cookie would go and do that so i do think it's cute i think it's kearna at the end of the day but jazelle would probably be the best outcome for me i agree that would be such a great payoff after nine weeks of trying to force this and trying to force
Starting point is 00:58:12 stacey hate if it's josell at the end of the day that's actually playing behind the closed doors playing in the darkness somewhere just kind of feeding information left and right to cookie to whoever and then it blows back on her that would be great i agree i think that's the best out outcome. I think, I think you already laid it out, though. I think it's Kearna via cookie is how we got to this point. And I think that when Cookie heard that, she's like, oh, this is easy. Let's say Stacy called him. I'll tell Kearna, Stacey called him. And Kiarna's going to believe me because she ain't Stacey. So we have a pivotal episode next week. It's going to really tell us, because it's the mid, we got the midseason trailer. So we're
Starting point is 00:58:53 halfway through. This is going to tell us where we're, headed and if it's more of this we're in trouble what i will say and it gives me reason for hope the midseason trailer was not about a lot of this there's a lot of other shit going on so and there was also people getting into it with not stacey with other people on the show so that tells me we do have a pivot point somewhere in the near future i just hope it if it's one or two more i can bear it fine yeah yeah but if it's four three four four four four four four five off yeah you're going to lose me but yeah i agree let's get some questions all right first one up here from leanna palazzo do you think that stacey is just an easy target and everyone is ganging up
Starting point is 00:59:39 on her i actually don't think she's no target there's got to be something deeper here like we said it's jealousy or it's just simply unresolved issues from last season about stacey lying about tmo about lying about tj maybe it's something like that but i i don't think she's an easy target i I think it's something quite different. I actually think it's the opposite. I think they get frustrated that nothing ever lands. No matter what you say to her, she just brushes it off. It never hits the way that they wanted to hit, which could be adding to the frustration
Starting point is 01:00:09 of why they're going after or more, because no matter what is said, she either has a great retort or she just doesn't acknowledge it. So, yeah, I don't, I don't think, I think she comes off as an easy target, but she's not at all. Yeah, I agree. from Jennifer M2M are producers focusing on Wendy's money for mom and house
Starting point is 01:00:31 more because of the arrest that's a possibility too maybe that's why we're seeing more about about her dad and the conversations that she's having with her family because she does seem to mention and the family seems to mention how successful she is
Starting point is 01:00:43 maybe they're trying to put that in there where we wouldn't have normally seen that in the season maybe that's kind of just how it goes when you get arrested for fraud like that she didn't do it I don't think she did it. No fucking way. She didn't do shit.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Neither did Eddie. We got another person saying that they were upset that, you know, Bravo is rewarding criminals. It's insurance fraud. Fuck insurance companies. Yeah. Come on, guys. From Petravan, which is more uncomfortable,
Starting point is 01:01:16 watching Kay auditioning for next season or Stacey playing house? It is. They're different. It's so different, but it's different. But more uncomfortable is watching Kearna just get triggered every time that Stacey opens her mouth. Stacey playing house is fun uncomfortable. It's fun comfortable. Fun comfortable.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Because I love those scenes, but God, I'm physically awkward during them. Yeah. This is just an opinion question, but from Isabella O'Isabelle Lauren official, who do you think Monique believes? I think she's neutral. I think she's gathering info. I think she's probably leaning more towards nothing happened, honestly. Yeah, I think so too, honestly. This is a good point from Kay Lookerwoods.
Starting point is 01:02:02 I think Kay got up and left the table because she knew that she was about to look stupid again. I don't know. I don't know if I don't know if Kay has that kind of inner perspective. I don't think that she realized. Introspection, no. Yeah, like self-awareness. I think that she's missing some of those things. And that's why she's playing out how she is this season.
Starting point is 01:02:21 I don't, I think that she may have realized that she was going to get activated. So she decided, let me walk away because Ashley's got this under control. But in reality, I don't think Ashley cares about you, Kiarna. I think that she's pushing her own agenda. And Ashley will get out and she'll probably end up coming back next season. But you need to do things to come back next season. Ashley will be back next season, barring some horrible thing she does. Like she'll be back.
Starting point is 01:02:44 I don't know. She keeps going down this path. I don't need her. But this is nothing new is my point. and she comes back regardless. Like this is just Ashley two years ago and she's back. Last year she had like somewhat of a reprieve year. I don't know why, but she's back in full force.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Well, end with this one because this is just nice. From S. Martin now, do you think that Ashley is pushing the Chris and Stacey storyline to get Monique to go off? And then at the end of that, as Martin now said, also this is the only real housewives podcast I listen to. You guys are real and call the bullshit. I love you. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:03:20 hell yeah we love you too uh but yeah the original question was do you think that ashley's pushing chris and stacey storyline to get monique to go off uh i don't think the end goal is is just take down stacy yeah i think that you might get a byproduct of monique going off but monique has told us a couple times now she's a changed person she's not going to go off unless she has to they're using her like you said as a checker piece yep you know and if she does go off it's a bonus they just want stacey to look bad that's the root cause but uh yeah next week lot hinges on next week for me so hopefully we see it's got the makings of a makeup episode after this one it's got the feels to be that so i'm just got all my thingies and my toesies crossed that
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