Bros & Shows - Greg Gives out His Number, RJ Retires from F-Boy Life, GG Gets an OF (The Valley: Persian Style)

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

What's up Bros? What an electric show. 10/10 No Notes. In this episode, RJ and Sofia head out on a date. Tommy and MJ have a date night as well and the cracks in their marriage are getting tough to ignore, even 2 episodes in... Greg has us scratching our heads at his requests to his wife despite his actions... GG and Reza dissolve their professional relationship as she holds fast to scaling up not down in life. There is so much chaos, drama and good storylines already that this is quickly becoming one of our favorite shows! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So we posted the premiere yesterday and I was reading through comments and somebody made a really good point. They said that the break had to happen. That needed to happen to recoup and realign so that we could get what we're getting on the screen right now. I have a feeling that means they needed cooler heads to prevail because of the end of Shaw's. It was an absolute nightmare and it was getting to be too much. And they just needed a few years to cool off. You know, everybody just sees the chill fuck out, which means we're up for a cycle of, of three or four seasons

before things get too crazy. Maybe they just put them back on the back burner for a little bit. I don't know. But there's, whatever works, works. There's more to be said about. I'll save it.

There's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Bravo's. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of brav bros your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by the one and only shot or begotter what's up dude i'm gonna say it every time yeah yeah i feel like that's just such low hanging for you can just go after it whenever you want it does sound scottish right it does it just sounds scottish which i feel like is wrong for this show it doesn't really fit i'll try it in traders

You already do it in Traders. What do you mean? When we're talking about murder. I just wanted to do that again. But as I was saying, maybe they need to look back into the pause, the long pause. Let's think about the two shows that we have. Miami, long pause, phenomenal. Shaw's, long pause.

Persian style is pretty damn good. I know it's only two episodes. It's sort of the equivalent. of getting rid of the VPR people because they've become too self-aware and they've got too much money and starting fresh with more poor people. Yeah.

You got to make sure that these people understand. We can cancel your show at any damn time and then spend a couple of years in purgatory. You don't know what's going to happen. Figure it out. Go get a job. Although Gigi didn't get a job. She's trying.

She is trying. The only fans thing makes so much more sense because at first it's like, all right, are you just getting money from your dad. And then she goes into talking about only fans. I'm like, oh, okay. So you are bringing money in because she just started it though.

Yeah, but wait, did she say she just started it because she said that. Oh, all right. Because episode one, she joked around about it. Gotcha. Episode two, she followed. Are you sure? Or was it like one of those situations where she was like feeling it out like, whoa, that'd be kind of crazy, right?

Right, right? Would that be crazy? Sure. It would be. Yes. It would. Okay, yeah, yeah. If I already had one for six months and it was under a different name, would that be crazy?

It's still crazy? Oh, okay. Okay, okay, cool. Okay, all right, all right. We'll circle back. We'll circle back. We're just talking about me anyway, so we'll just circle back. I'm going to come over for brunch and we'll talk then.

The other funny thing is, and this is just, I think, because things are so fluid for the show with us because we didn't really watch it too much when it was on. I've kind of changed my tune a little bit on Tommy. I still think that like, I don't want to hang out with Tommy. I think that he's really annoying. It's the type of guy that I specifically don't like. But apparently he's exactly the same as he was before. And he's exactly the same guy that MJ married. And nothing has changed at all.

He's just, he's a spitting image of the same person that he's been since they started dating. So it's one of those situations where it's like, okay, did you think he was going to change? I mean, we were pretty hard on him yesterday. That's why I was really thinking about it. And I did some research and I read a couple of things here and there. And I'm like, oh, okay. So he really is and has been this person. And the Gigi and Reza stuff with him, I kind of understand as well.

I did some dig deep. Dig deep digging. I did some deep digging, which is not a phrase that I've ever said. This is our second episode of the day. So we're having a good time here. Come on. Everybody's having fun. Come on.

But that being said, I felt like yesterday we were just ripping them apart because it's the type of personality and the type of guy that both of us don't like. So revisiting that, I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll back off a little bit. This might be a little bit more than just him being an asshole. There's definitely like two sides to every story for sure. Because I was talking to Dev about it and she has more of a Shaw's background. MJ doesn't sound like the easiest person to get along with is all I'll say for her mom. That being said, I still have a lot of issues with.

with Tommy that I will address in this. I'm not going to pull any punches because, okay, you're the same guy that you were. I get that. And I did see some people going to bat for Tommy on social. So like I did learn a little bit more. So I won't be as volatile, but I still have a lot to say to Tommy. Is that okay to him?

Is he on the show? Oh, Timmy Tom. Timmy Tom, come on down. A surprise interview that even I don't know about. Yep. Tommy. come on in. That would be funny.

If he was just at his house, if he was at my house. Yeah. Yeah, he's a big recession. He actually just, he just put the baby to bed. Yeah.

Yeah, Tommy is helping me out with the baby. Dev's out with the ladies night tonight. So, uh, yeah, Tommy's watching Scotty while I record. Good dude.

But yeah, I got to say, ladies. Yeah. What do you? Welcome to episode two. This is what happens when we record early, have a long break in between and then record again. There's no telling.

But let's jump into this episode because I love this show. I'm absolutely head over heels in love with it. Not just our returning castmates, but I love the newcomers too. I'm surprised that this is a lot of people's first time in reality TV. They seem so very comfortable on the camera. But we start out this episode. And now that we got through the premiere, things are going to be a little bit more cohesive, everybody. So don't stress.

We start out with Greg and Natasha. And mom comes over and mom drops off a lot of food, which is like that you're, I like that you're already wrong. Things are going to be more cohesive. Oh, Greg and Natasha. Greg and Tanin. I meant I just meant more as far as like scene to scene, not as far as like people. Excuse me, not Greg.

Amir and Natasha. Or was it Greg and Tannen? Who did they drop food off? It's Greg and Tannen. That is correct. Yes. So Greg and Tannen. And mom drops off food, which is great.

Love the food drop-offs. It's really nice. And you're starting, I think they're just painting the picture of what it's like culturally. You know, there's a lot of people in and out. Mom comes over, drops off food. It's like a big tight-knit familial group, which I love and makes for really good TV. Well, Greg doesn't know how to cook either, so this all makes sense. I have a lot to say about Greg.

I have a lot. Greg might be an onion, though. there could be an onion somewhere in there. Like a rotten one, maybe. Rotting, maybe. Yeah, that's what I think I'm loving about this show is the more you find out, the more nuanced everybody is. What you see is not what you get, which I love.

I would love to get to a point where we actually have a show where I'm invested in every scene, like a certain person or a couple comes on screen and I'm not like, oh, fuck me, okay. guess we have to do this now. Like I do on literally every other show that we cover. There's always one or two people I just roll my eyes out as soon as they go on screen. And I realize it's like an individual scene or just them and their family. I do not care about what you're doing.

I would love it if this show was. Yeah. I would love it if this show was now again, we're not going to like everybody. But as long as they're interesting and they've got something going on and something to talk about them, I'm invested. Yeah, I agree. And this show definitely has a chance to do that. but we go to the Please Touch Museum is all I could come up with

because that's what we have here in Philly. It was the Goop. Goop Museum. Goop Museum. Actually, no, it was, it was, it was moo. It said Slu-Moo. Slu-Moo. I don't know if that was the name of it either.

It's like the slime museum, but like the goo-moo is probably better. Like, goo museum, right? Go-m-m-museum. This is. Go-museum. We're going to get, we're going to start. on this. Let's just keep going on. I know, but it looks like a lot of fun, although

the goose seem to think a guzium. Yeah, thank you. I wanted to take it a step further. I'm not going to. So did you have the same reaction that I did? Because the first I'm like, this is fucking awesome. And then I realized how many little kids are touching this goo and like putting it on the wall. There's just germs everywhere. It's flu season. It's when you have kids. Yeah, it's goo and flu season. When you have kids, you get desensitized to it somewhat. You just kind of acknowledge it.

Like the airport, when you go to the airport with kids, like you just, you know that it's going to be gross. I think that's similar to this. But I also don't touch anything. I hope you don't go to the airport with kids because that would be kidnapping.

But anyway, is it still kidnapping if you're taking them out, whatever. I'm not doing this. Yeah, well, this is going to happen all day. Let's get on task here.

Sorry, everybody. we're to lock in right now. They're talking about parent-teacher, conferences. And the only reason I bring this up is because of Gigi. She's talking about the house again in regards to the kid. Now, hopefully this lights a fire under her ass a little bit because they don't know what school her kids are going to be in because she doesn't have a house so she doesn't have a school district. So when she says that, she then goes to the confessional. I love that

she's leaning on our sympathy at home, like we're going to understand like, oh, yeah, you know what, G, G, G, G, we get it because she's like, look, I've got six bedrooms now. I've got my room, my son's room, a playroom, which is three, and the other three are closets. What do you want me to do with my clothes? Put them outside? That's ridiculous. She's talking to us, like, we're going to be like, you know what? You do deserve a six-bedroom house.

You don't need a four-bedroom. That's ridiculous. I think that Gigi's going to be the most like untraditional, likable person where all of the things that she says and does are going to be things that we would typically disagree with. But because she says it and you don't really take her that seriously, it's going to be funny and likable. It's going to be a very weird situation. But I mean, how does that work if you're air? I mean, I know if you rent like formally rent a house and you establish residency, you could be in the school district. but like I thought I thought that that was like missing yesterday when she was talking about house hunting and Resa was talking about house hunting.

They were only talking about her financials and not Elijah, which was bizarre to me. And now I guess today, at least they kind of filled in that gap. But still, to not put your kid first and to put multiple rooms for your closet is something that I don't appreciate. I had the thought that maybe you sell some clothes. She did mention the playroom. Is that too low class? to sell things If you start selling your clothes and selling your wardrobe

Is that something that Sky would label as low class? Oh, probably, but I don't care. I'm a big thrift shop guy. Yeah, I'm all for it. I'm all for consignment shops. I'm not talking about selling your bathwater or your socks or something online. She could probably do that on her only fans.

It's a good point. A lot of weird people out there. They keep asking us for feet pictures. They haven't gotten them yet, but if we hit hard times. It makes me feel self-conscious. Don't say that. Well, they haven't asked in a while.

I mean, you know, it was this. That's what this is. It's a nice ego stroke. You get a couple of comments in there. Let's see your feet. My feet? No, absolutely not. No, my feet are gross.

They're all fucked up for baseball. But anyway, we move on to Tommy and MJ, and they're talking, everyone's talking about the house hunting thing. So they're talking about it now. And Tommy does point out, because we were wondering what the money situation, Lela, the sister, has two kids. So that's what's happening. You look down, we'll set it up like a pyramid scheme. Okay.

So you got pop up here at the top. You got Gigi and you got Lela coming down there. And now you got kids. That inheritance is starting to trickle down to a lot of people, which means we got to get rid of the kids, right? You would think. No? No. That saves the inheritance.

Yeah. Who the hell knows? At the very least, we're getting more answers. We were very confused as to how it all worked. And if it was real yesterday, so immediately getting answers is something that I can buy into for a show like this. Yeah, absolutely. And it does also give us a little bit more background on, and I'm sure people that are Shaw's fans probably already know the lore. We're catching up.

So to find out that they have a contentious relationship between Gigi and her sister, we were not aware of that. So they are doing a really good job of giving us background without doing the classic Bravo, like two episodes are awash because all we're going to do is introduce people and get you to know them. Like they're doing both simultaneously. It's a lot to keep up with. Right. But I am really enjoying that much more so than when we get a new show and we waste an episode or two, just getting up the speed.

I also thought there was a lot of jumping around in the first episode, which is fine as long as you can get over that bump. This one seemed more cohesive, or maybe it's just because we were already introduced to these people, like the episode prior. This one just seemed like it went from scene to scene to scene to see and not back and forth and back and forth the whole time. But I guess, yeah, we were introduced to these people,

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But back at the slime or slumoo, we are discussing R.J. Reza Jacks. And I thought I picked up on it. I get confirmation scenes from next week because Gigi brings up R.J. And then Gigi kind of, it wasn't a smirk, but it was, she perked up a little bit. Did you see that? Or is that just me? Yeah.

No, no. She definitely perked up a little bit. I just figured it was one of those situations where maybe a mere. And Natasha didn't want that because of who Gigi is. That's the vibe I guess. Well, what about both of them? He's retiring fuck boy. Who cares?

It seems like a match made in heaven. They can destroy each other. It does. It really does. Or at the very least, they can at least have some fun because she did say that she doesn't want to get married again or she's not thinking about getting married again. So it does seem like a match made in heaven.

I don't really know. I think we needed to get this out of the way in terms of, uh, uh, I'm going to call him jazz. in terms of Jacks talking to Sophia and kind of like working his way through that. It's a good way to introduce ourselves to Jacks and who he is and what he's all about. He's one of those new models of self-aware fuck boy, but he's not really a fuck boy.

What was the word that he preferred? Oh, damn it. Promiscuous? Yes, promiscuous, yeah, which sounds a lot nicer. Yeah, it's a couple more syllables. So it works a little bit better. There's no curse word in there. I like it a little bit better.

It's a rebranding, if you will. rebranding of the fuck boy that's what 2026 has brought us but it's important to have a distinction between the two because everything I'm seeing out of RJ he seems like a good dude he seems nice he seems funny he seems like a good guy

unless you're dating him probably and we get shit for this too because we said we would still hang out with West and there's some people like oh my God you guys would still hang out with West after yeah like the two are not mutually exclusive people can be good people and bad people to date. And we're not dating me.

Correct. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So with RJ, I feel like you have a, he seems like a decent guy. I've really enjoyed him on screen. And I think the self-awareness factor is the most important. Because as long he's not leading people on and being a douchebag, that's the difference between a fuck boy. Yeah.

Like he could, he had every opportunity while he's sitting down with Sophia. And I don't even know if we're in this scene yet, but this is how we're going to do this. when he's sitting down with Sophia talking about the whole situation and what they expect. Yeah, she came on a little strong, but you know, that's a woman that knows what she wants

and she wants to get it out of the way in the beginning. He understands that. He just had to take a couple of sips of his drink that he could not pronounce for a little while. And he told the truth for the most part. I mean, he's been telling us in the confessionals,

he's a retiring fuck boy, not a retired fuck boy or party boy or whatever he wants to say. The ING is very important. The ING is very, very important. And he told her that, which is also very important. At least he's somewhat understanding of the situation. Yeah, I think so. We're not quite there yet, but that's a good note.

And we'll dive further into that when we get there. But let's get the sky and Bomsey. We saw at the dinner when the snoring comment was made, everyone was laughing. Bomsey didn't love it. And he also really didn't appreciate when that goes to the bed situation that we're sleeping in different rooms. Yeah. I'm not sure if he just doesn't want other people to know or it's just highlighting the fact that he's not happy with the current setup.

It's probably a mix of the two. But that's what he's doing. He's saying to her, hey, I don't like this. I don't like this at all. I want you back in the room. They're arguing about snoring. You snore. No, you snore.

I'm glad that sky's receptive to it. And I'm glad that she also gives us a little background. You know, her parents got divorced. It was a really bad divorce. So she's kind of jaded towards the whole institution of marriage. but she's in love with Bonzie, so she wanted to give it a try. And now they've reached this point in their marriage where they're just not vibing like they used to, it seems like.

But this is what we want to see. We want to see compromise. Okay, fine, because I agree. I don't want the kids seeing us argue. I don't want them seeing this setup and thinking that this is normal. So go see an E&T. I'm like, hey, win, win, win, everybody. I'm not super enthralled that the,

the tone is different from person to person to person, depending on who sky is talking to. In the first instance of this coming up was her talking to Tannen, and it was very much a, oh, it's just a good built-in excuse. I really don't want to sleep with him anyway, but now I can say that he's snoring, and then the kids don't have to worry about it.

And then when we get to the whole family and the whole situation and all the friends and everybody sitting down for dinner, it's a much different tone where it was actually a little bit more stark, where she kind of just blew it up and clearly didn't have a care in the world and wasn't even worried about his feelings about the whole thing. And then when the two of them were sitting down, it seems like there's a deeper issue there,

which I'm not really concerned about the adventure that we had to go on, the journey we had to go on to get these two to actually talk about it. But for this being the second episode, you know, yesterday maybe a knee-jerk reaction talking about how they're next in line for divorce, as we know MJ and Tommy got divorced. They might be next up there. It's going to be a power ranking,

just not a very fun power ranking. Who's getting divorced? Who's going to get divorced? Tannen and Greg are now at the top. Yeah, Tannen and Greg are absolutely at the top after this episode. So I'm happy that we at least get that because I didn't like to see Bombsy's feelings just kind of cast aside. He wants to talk this out.

He doesn't really like it. He's not happy about it. But it's a means to an end. Now everybody knows. And this might just be how things conflict within relationships, conflicts between friendships, between friendships, get resolved. Let's all talk about it in a big table in the middle of dinner, will embarrass the shit out of one person or two people,

and then they'll sit down and they'll work through their problems and maybe come back together. And maybe that's the way to do it. Maybe it's a recipe for success. I don't know yet, but it's working so far. So credit there. Now we get back to MJ and Tommy. And here's where I'm going to start having some Tommy,

some comments, if you will. A couple of comments for Tommy. I like that MJ's getting ready. Tommy's like, Hey man, when mommy comes out, you tell her how pretty she looks. I'm like,

oh, that's sweet. Like little things like that go a long way. She does wear too much makeup though, am I right? Like this chick with the makeup. And the kid's like, yeah, yeah.

Don't love that. It's like two steps forward, three steps back. And then as they're leaving, and I think the biggest thing for me, look, if this is your rapport with your partner and you goof around with shit, like, you know, hey, leave the cans out. Yeah, leave them out.

The breeze might come through and get the nips rocking. Hey. Not in front of the kid because that kid, Shams, Shams, if I said that wrong, I apologize. He now thinks that's how you talk to women. And that's what you're, that's what's happening right now that's really bothering me. Because I know he's just trying to be the dad. trying to be goofy, trying to be himself. But like, you're going to make the kids say shit like that to ladies when he grows up

because he thinks that's normal now. Yeah, that's the one pitfall. I feel like I'm going to step off of their relationship and the dynamic that goes into it with Tommy making comments to MJ doing this or not doing that. Involvement of the child and then influencing his point of view on the whole situation, that's where I'm going to start kind of keying on to. believe. I'm just going to start nitpicking a little bit there because again, years ago when this show was on, Tommy's still being Tommy, still being Tommy to MJ, MJ's still being MJ to Tommy,

but Shams wasn't around. So this is now an influence on a different level. And like you said, it starts off strong. You're complimenting your mother. This is beautiful. But then also kind of nagging her with your child who's five years old, who thinks it's funny because you're laughing at it. That's a problem. That's a big problem. There's a few more problems that we'll get to as we get there, one of them being, we're on the way to dinner. MJ's clearly testing you, bro. She's quite clearly testing you and your relationship and how much you love her and how much you really give a shit with questions such as, do you remember this?

And it's a little compact mirror. And he's like, nah, I've never seen that shit in my life, which is not the end of the world. But then she reads the inscription on the back, which was actually very sweet. I wish you could see me through your eyes. That was really nice. And he's like, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, I did get that boy. I forgot about that. Yeah, I loved that thing.

I just don't understand how it devolves so fast because she's like, well, what does that mean? See me through your eyes. Are you beautiful? Good. This is good. Is that like a physical attribute? Yeah, that's why I got you a mere dumbass. And you lost me.

Like, this is date night. She clearly wants a romantic evening. It's very fucking obvious. maybe don't call her a dumbass and pick up what she's putting down when she's saying, is that a physical attribute? You say no, your soul is beautiful. Anything but yet, dumbass. Yeah, I think this is where I'm probably going to back off a little bit because this is

part for the course. This is what he does. This is what MJ's used to. I might look at it from a different angle. Again, I still do believe. that a lot of these people on reality TV. They're in a dormant phase. This has probably been going on for years,

and it's been going on for years before that, obviously when they first started dating. Now it's an opportunity. So I don't know if MJ is trying to get something nice out of him to make her feel better or knows that he's going to say something like that and then can then turn it and be like, you embarrass me by doing something like that because she does actually want to get a divorce and that's the whole point of being on the show.

I'm still not convinced that people that get into relations, that are married and bored, don't go back on reality TV to be like, oh, look at all this going on here. We got to get divorced now. It's almost like they don't have the balls to do it when no one's looking. Now that it's polarizing, they're like, oh, see, look at all these things that happen. It's like, that's been happening forever. Now all of a sudden you want to get up and go. There might be some kernel of truth somewhere in there.

I don't know enough yet. I don't know enough yet. It just seems like this move, maybe it's a move, maybe it's not talking. to the mom at the end of the episode. It just seems like she's laying out these pieces. And we already know that they got divorced back in October. So you can kind of see it coming from a mile away almost. That's exactly what's happening.

I'm not saying that that's not. This is all preconceived. The minute that they're getting back on the show. But if he responds nicely, weirdly, and doesn't say dumbass at the end of it, is it almost like a step back? Like instead of being like, wow, that was really sweet, Tommy. Would it almost be like, oh, get them next time? I'll wait for him to say something stupid next time.

We don't know. And that's just, again, this is, no, it's not our problem. But this is just the vibe I get from these unhappy, well, one person's unhappy or they're both unhappy, unhappy couples that go back into reality TV. It's almost like, I can kind of see that you're putting these things in motion already. It's almost like what we see with Tannen later where it's like, I've been working for myself the whole time. And now, now I'm just going to start a skincare line. It's like, you just fucking got a reality TV.

Bravo, step in. Enough of this shit. But that's a different story for a different day. We just got done doing Salt Lake. I went on a whole spiel about that. But it's almost the same thing. It's like, okay, why are you doing this now? It's because the cameras are rolling.

It's because people are watching you. Yeah, for sure. But that doesn't change the responses and everything. And I don't know what she would do if he was nice in return. I do believe that she's setting up the pieces because she wants out of this. And I also believe that Tommy's unhappy as well. He strikes me as that old school kind of dude that's like, that's what marriage is. Everyone ate each other.

Nobody gets divorced. not in the eyes of God. Right. And he just chocks it up to everyone I know that's married is miserable. This is life. No, it's not. He's the guy on the golf course that's like, I can't wait to tell the wife that it actually took six hours.

Let's go grab some lunch and a couple of bees. It's like, yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to go out of here, buddy. Yeah, that's who Tommy is. But we get a brief reprieve from their dinner to check in with RJ. This is when he facetimes his mom, lets her know. I'm going this day with Sophia. Now we just get more of his timeline.

and he's 35 years old, mom's ready for him to settle down, have kids. He's ready to settle down and have kids. He's just not ready to settle down and have kids. He's got to get to that. He wants to be there. Yeah. Yeah, it's the present progressive verb of everything that he's doing.

I'm thinking about settling down. I feel like maybe I'm ready to start settling down. There's always an I-M-G. Yeah, yeah, retiring from all of these things. I'm bettering. myself. Like there's always an ING. He's always mid-process, which is fine. I really don't. It's totally fine. It's just so funny to like watch him go through it where he's like, yeah, I'm thinking about settling down. I'm feeling like maybe it's time. You watch him talk himself

out of it, honestly. Oh, yeah. At the middle of the same sentence. Like it kind of goes up. It's like, oh, cool. Oh, no, they're going right back. That. That sounds boring as hell. Never mind. When we go back to Tommy and MJ, and we'll just get through their whole dinner before we move on to anything else. And he took a big dump big dump he took a huge shit when he gets there and then also she's like hey can we not overeat like i just want to have a he's like fuck that i'm gonna stuff my fucking face and diarrhea diarrhea it's gonna be great here's my thing okay because he says other shit too and they get into the story thing yeah no i get it because it's a tv show i've just changed it

yeah i've changed my disposition on him i think he's just funny funny Like a clown, Joe Pesci. It's funny like a clown. Yeah, exactly. It is funny. But to what you said earlier, he's always been this guy. Great. That's not what marriage is.

You do need to change as you grow up. You got to change to meet your partner's needs. That's what's going on. So, like, I get it. He's been the same guy, but that's actually not an excuse. You're not supposed to be the same person you were 10 years ago. that's not how life's supposed to go. You're supposed to improve yourself and stop making diarrhea jokes when your wife is about to cry at the table because you're so fucking gross.

That's all I'm saying. I get where you're coming from. Like it's not like a drastic change in character out of nowhere. But at the same time, like, I can't imagine trying to put up with that shit for a decade. I would lose my mind. If we were at dinner and one of our friends said that shit, I'd be like, yo, shut the, fuck up. Like, go take a shit. Leave me alone. What's going on right now? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for sure. It's just, I don't think, for sure, for sure. I don't think that the normal, the mold of you're supposed to grow up and you're supposed to mature works for any of these shows. Like, yeah, we can say it, but like, it's not going to happen. I'm not surprised. But I'm pointing out why, like, if anyone's like, well, he's been the same guy forever. It's like, yeah, that's probably the problem. That's all I'm saying.

most likely is yeah yeah so anyway they get through dinner and it's not great you know and it leads to her

saying things and confessionals like is love enough and when it ends with a she whips the kids out you get a discount come man

the waiter said yeah I know of course he did fucking of course he did dumbass but anyway let's get to Sophia and RJ

vibes are really high you know, we saw them canoodling at the party. You think vibes were high? Oh, no. Leading into the date. Oh, okay. I was going to say. No, no, no, no, no.

Leading into the date. Yeah, no. Leading into the date, we are leaving on a high note because at the party, they were canoodling. We had the standing spoon, as we have coined that phrase. And he's into her. She's into him. She shows up. They're talking, you know.

He gives us a rundown of his high school years. He was bullied a lot until he was like 16. Then he grew his hair out like Cristiano Ronaldo and bang. Everybody wanted to point him. And life changed. But Sophia was dodging smooches the night before, which we didn't know, which I'm totally fine. And she's starting to question him. She wants to know what his deal is.

I did not mind the third degree at all. That's a woman that knows what she wants, like you said. And she starts question him a little bit. Okay. So are you a fuck boy? I'm a retiring fuck boy. And she keeps asking questions. And this is where I was like, okay, I think that RJ is a good dude.

Because his response in confessional is she's making some solid points. She's got me. I'm like, all right. Well, I have no problems here then. That's the Shane Davis effect. You get to watch a different brand of womanizer or promiscuous men. man, that's kind of what we're doing right now. I mean, I had no problem with the third degree, but I think she came in very interesting

based off of what we saw. And it was very funny to watch them at the party the night before, two nights before, whenever it was, because they were fucking cuddling at the table. And they were joking. They had inside jokes. They're sitting outside at the swing set. It seems like she stayed over or he stayed over, whatever may have happened, because he got a call the next morning asking how it was.

Hey, I'll tell you right now. She's right next to me. So to come in saying like, yeah, you know, I was dodging smooches all night. I did this. But like, you stayed over. So I think you're up on your high horse right now. But she's asking good questions at the very least. Just didn't care for her tone.

She was coming out of the wrong way. You're coming out of my guy all wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's notering iron. I mean, streets, Kansas. Anyone gets that reference. God, somebody will always get it.

I had no problem with this. And again, this is such a good way to, because Sophie is gone. We may never see her again after this. He wasn't feeling it. She wasn't feeling it. We'd move on. It was a good way to introduce Reza. It was a good way to get to understand him as a person because we could have easily just lumped him into the fuckboy category and looked at him like, all right.

Are we going to do this? Are you going to have a fling with Gigi? It's going to end up messy. I think that he's a good dude. I think he's self-aware. And that's all you really ask for with a guy like that. Yeah. And, you know, he wasn't into the line of questioning because she's clearly quite clearly.

I mean, the line of should I wait for you to get it out of your system or, like, are you good now? I was like, wow, she like is ready to date him right now. So yeah, as we find out later, it does not work out. And then he goes to dodge a bullet. I was like, ooh. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Yeah, there wasn't really much of a bullet to dodge. There was like a very slow moving dodge ball coming at you.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Do you want to catch it or do you want to or do you want to slide out of the way? Yeah, you had more than enough. to figure this one out. Yeah, that wasn't a Dodge dude. But anyway, Tannen and Sky are sitting down to chit chat. As we know, Tannen is a C.O of her tech company, but she's got a passion for skincare. And what better time to roll out a skincare line than right after, immediately after the premiere of your Bravo show. It's in the contract that you have to start a health and wellness product

when you sign your Brato contract. Everybody knows it. I know they have the Bethany Frankel clause where they do take a cut if it's promoted and started on Bravo. But it doesn't mean we have to do it. This is such bullshit. Enough. I don't care. I'm actually way more interested in her life as a C-O. Being in a tech

company. Same. Being a woman in power. I mean, obviously you can be empowered and start your own skincare line. I'm not saying that. But I was way more interested in what her career actually is. Not this bullshit. I don't care if you... What are you going to do? Soft launch a fucking Whitney Wild Rose bullshit thing again. I don't want to do this again. I don't want to do this again.

I don't want any more screen time, just do this one and done. It's okay just to like check in here and there. If this takes a front and center storyline and she's doing this and having openings and shit, Bravo's got to put an end to this. I can't do it anymore. I agree, especially with just the phrasing used. It was like an ad. It's all locally sourced offered here from California.

I'm like, oh, no. It is an ad. I know. But they don't make it sound like an ad. I guess. Pull the wool over my eyes. guys somehow. But the best response, this is the best response to a health and wellness reveal that we've gotten because Sky is like, oh, great. And fucking puts it on her dogs, which somehow was wildly

disrespectful. I don't know why. It just felt really disrespectful to the product. Well, I mean, rightfully so. I mean, they stopped doing animal testing with things like that. It's not kosher anymore. So we're not testing this on the dog right now. Get out of here. Wait, did she, that's a whole different thing. Did she know it was animal safe before she did that to her dogs? I don't think so. Oh, somebody call OSHA. Yep, somebody call OSHA.

There's something there. Is that out? I guess that would probably work, right? If it's an at-home office and the dog lives at home, it's technically an employee. Call OSHA, yeah. Fuck it. Let's all call OSHA right now.

Yeah, we should. What's her number? Oh, OSHA? Yeah. They have their own network. It's the O network. It's got a lot of like weird rom-coms and stuff on it. Oh, that's Oprah.

Sorry. Oprah's channel is actually OSHA. Oprah started OSHA. But they're talking about Tannen and Greg after the skin care stuff. And as we've seen or heard in the last episode, like they have their own shit going on as well. It seems to be a theme across the board. And it feels like they're completely. completely different personalities, but there was one thing that brought them together.

This is a juxtapose scene with the dudes. I'm just going through one side first, and then we'll kind of lump it all together. But she goes as far to say that we feel like, I feel like roommates. Like that's my brother. Like I love him. But when she said,

I don't go to him for support or anything like that, it's like, oh, that's actually like a pretty big issue. Like that's your number one. You're supposed to go to them for everything. So that moved them right up the chart to number one. They are a clear cut number one after that comment and after some of Greg shenanigans

that we're going to get to shortly. But yeah, there's a lot of relationships and turmoil right now in the Valley. Yeah, there really is. And we can cross that over to the other Valley show as well. But for her to say that, I feel like that's such another drastic step. It's one thing to be like, yeah, you know, it's a little weird financially. You know, we're not really sure to do this. that or whatever and he doesn't seem to have a problem with me in sky going on vacations.

He's got his own money and he doesn't want to do that with that. It's like, okay, yeah, maybe there's a disconnect there. It's not at the end of the world. He's sleeping in another room because he snores. Okay, that's a little bit weird too. We're not having sex as much. It's like, okay, yeah, these things are starting to add up. But to not go to him as a support person, like, what do you, what do you guys talk

about? What do you do? And we find out later at dinner, not a lot. They don't do a lot. They don't talk at all. So that would be number one issue. floating right to the top. That's number two issue.

There's a much bigger issue that we're going to talk about when we get to their dinner scene. Sibling, cosplaying. Okay, never mind. Oh, Jesus, no. How they both say brother and sister, bizarre. At the same time. Yeah, that is fucking weird. You're right.

That tells me that they've had this conversation for, which is even more unsettling. Yes, exactly. I almost did another Joe Dirt quote, but it didn't do it. If you know, which one thing. I'm your sister. Damn it. I'm just kidding, guys. Oh, gross.

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We got Greg Amir and RJ. This originally looked like it was a setup to talk to RJ. Like, hey, we're going to sit you down and we're going to give you the third degree. Make sure that your life's on the right. It was in a weird way. It was. But it like a cautionary tale version. Yeah.

Not like a hey dude. It's almost like he sort of had, like Reza had this, the angel and devil, where he's got a mirror over here who is the prime example so far of the perfect husband, the perfect father, everything across the board seems like such a sweet guy, a very nice person. And then you've got Greg where he's a wild card. We don't really know, but it's more of that cautionary tale that you were just talking about. It's like, yeah, it could go this way and it could be absolutely perfect. You could go get your teeth cleaned and find the love of your life, start a family,

and everything is perfect, which I'm sure we'll get deeper into their marriage, but it does seem like everything is great over there. Move over to Greg. It's like, oh, or the other shoe drops and it's this. It's like, oh, is there any happy medium or like maybe closer to a mirror? I don't really know. But I liked it too. It was just the way that they communicate in this show is different than other shows.

It's authentic and blunt. It's very authentic. It's very authentic. It's very blunt. And then the people that are hearing the advice or hearing the complaint or whatever it might be, they don't take it super hard. They don't take it as a slate to their personality. They listen.

Yeah, they listen. And so far, I'm assuming they put it into action. And they try to use that advice that they get. It's very interesting to watch these people operate. But I liked that just in that little nutshell, talking about Reza and his dating life and what he wants moving forward. He gets it from both. Could easily, yeah, you go to your confession.

And you're like, did he just fucking say that it's like sleeping with your sister? That's kind of bizarre. but you can reel yourself back in and be like, okay, no, that was just actually good solid advice. That wasn't, but,

you know, I know what you're saying, but yeah, they're just, they're both divulging what their marriages are like, you know, Amir's terrified to take a shit in front of his wife, which is bizarre.

That's something you should probably address. And I love that his thought process is like, by the way, is that like, I don't know, we've crossed a lot of threshold, but you know, we've got one left.

She's got to sit in the back. bathroom with me and watch like i don't know if it meant like can you not go period if she's like there like only go at the office she's holding that's what i'm saying i don't know or like middle of the night sneaking down to drop a deuce like i don't know what the plan is gesture issues across the board yeah i'm with rj like he's look he's ahead of his time he's like we should make this normal we just got a shit in front of each other i'm like hell yeah brother absolutely but now we've got more spectrums we've got tommy who comes in and just announces all the times that he takes to shit.

And we've got a mirror who's afraid to. So R.J. I try to find somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone should be able to poop when they got a poop. You know? Everybody poops.

Everyone's read that book. But I also appreciate RJ for his line of questioning because he's actually curious about some stuff. He's like, what about the spark? It's been seven years. Same girl. Like, let's talk about the spark. And that's when Greg goes, we got sparks.

I got a couple of sparks. But a lot of people say that after a certain amount of time, it feels like you're having sex with your sister. I'm glad that they reacted too because RJ is like nobody says that. Amir goes to a confessional and goes like, roll the tape again for me. Great. Thanks.

Yeah, that's fucking weird. That's not a thing, dude. Nobody says that. And if you feel that way, there's something going on in your marriage. And I think that what you're watching here and it's interesting to watch. I think he's understanding it in this conversation and trying to get RJ to understand like what marriage is what it could be like it's almost like he has his own light bulb

where he's like saying these things and he's like oh oh right uh right yeah he's watching the reaction across the table yeah you guys are going you guys aren't going through this too oh fuck oh shit oh god i got to get with bombsy talk about our wives what do they do it on those trips that's that's kind of i feel like what we're leading to is gregg and bombsy sitting down but we haven't seen the two of them actually really interact. So I do wonder what that relationship is like. Probably nothing. I don't know.

I don't know. We're going to find out. I don't know. We're going to find out. I'll tell you one thing about this show. We're going to find out. It does give us more background, though. And also gives us a lot of info as to why they are still together probably.

And that's because there's this awful car accident. He was in the car behind. I can't imagine watching this happen. That's fucking brutal. car flips after he says literally your friend drives like a dumbass and then boop the car flips over he rushes out grabs tannin she's laying there unconscious he like shakes her awake she had to go through this awful brain surgery that only 10% of people that have that come out of it with the ability to read right walk eat basic human needs so they had this moment together and tannin

that's the crazy thing for two people that claim to not be on the same same page, have different personalities. They say the same shit, not next to each other. Because Tannen, she talks about that and goes, if it weren't for that moment, I never would have taken him seriously. And they never would have been together. And that could also just be the problem right that in there. It could just be trauma bombing. We both went through the same thing. I was taking care of you. We both had that same moment where I got to watch this unfold. You were involved in it. it was an oh shit come to Jesus moment oh we got to be together we got to help each other out and then all of a sudden you're married and seven years passed by in the blink of an eye like maybe

that's the root of their problems is that they never should have gotten married at the first place but they travel bonded and now here they are but they're both saying that without saying it and they're both I think that's what I'm saying and I don't know if it's the show pushing this forward I don't know if it just took this long to get there I don't know if this is subconscious thoughts finally coming out because they're on camera they're both essentially saying that. The only reason we're together and the only reason this is still a thing is because of this traumatic event that we both witnessed that what went through and they're trauma bonded. That's it. That's not a good foundation for a marriage as we're seeing right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Moving right along, we get back to MJ and she is driving with her mom Vita. Darth Vita is a great nickname. It's just very good stuff. Fantastic. But Tommy calls and they're headed to get coffee or whatever and this is sure it's funny. I just again, I'm thinking like being married to that and like we're going to get coffee. Make sure you get lots of toilet paper.

Stack down. Oh yeah. Coffee's going to make Vita take a shit. Up top. That's what it is. I get like the vibe that he's hanging with his bros. Like up top. Take a shit. Yeah. He'd be one of those guys if we were in the room and he's on the phone and we can't even hear the other end of it. It'd be like, yeah, come on

give you a pal. Come on. You got a pub. got about this fist me fist me bro yeah yeah but but in turn it's bringing up a lot of shit for mj and we don't have a lot of background as far as parenting duties like who takes the majority of the child care stake is he at home a lot with the kids is she at home a lot like i don't know yet and you guys that have watched shaws probably have a better answer to that so that could play into this whole thing as well. That's a big part of it. I'm not 100% as to where they fall.

But MJ is now in a position because of Tommy shenanigans and because of how he talks to their kid or talks in front of their kid, she is the bad cop. She has to go and drop the hammer, say, no, you can't do that. Don't talk to your mother that way. Things like that. So she's the not fun parent, which has to suck because it's not like Tommy is somewhere in the middle, like he's all the way to the edge.

of being the quote unquote fun parent because he's still being a kid. So she brings up how her own mother had affected her life. And she's trying to break that generational trauma of never feeling good enough and always reprimanding your kid, ragging on for literally anything. Mom literally rags aren't in the car for getting an add on to her coffee, like shit like that. So she is concerned that she's going to repeat those mistakes in her own kid at the same time as having trouble navigating that because Tommy is such a child.

himself. So we're just adding layers, which this scene was the deciding factor to me of, oh, this was her plan. This is her storyline. She wanted this divorce. She's going to use the show to help facilitate that divorce, which whatever, I have no issues with it. But that she's laying the groundwork and we're getting layer upon layer. So it's not just the fact that he doesn't take you seriously. It's not just the fact that he's not making you feel safe and wanted and needed in those nice things. It's also kid stuff. So it's like the full spectrum of we're not seeing eye to eye in this marriage. And we got that in an episode and a half. Yeah, pretty much. It's one of the situations where we are right. We are true in thinking it's show centric or at least they're using the show to

get to this point. But these are thoughts that she's been having. This is what she's been going through. I mean, their son is five, I think. I think every kid on this show is five at this point. But yeah, Shams is five years old. So she's been dealing with it. And obviously as he's becoming more and more like Tommy, which we talked about yesterday, as you get divorced and then you've got custody of Shams coming over

and it's just a little Tommy. That's going to be a lot. But it might free her from whatever this cycle is that she feels like she's convinced herself that she's gotten into. Yeah. And it's interesting. And this is what I do when we don't know a lot is I try to pay attention to everybody involved.

And Vita does speak up at the end. And this was interesting. I don't know if this is like tough love or mom being mom. Maybe this is what MJ was alluding to. But when she's talking to her mom saying she doesn't feel safe, she doesn't feel this, doesn't feel that. Mom's like,

that's insane. Like after seven years, you don't know where you are in your marriage and you blame Tommy. I'm like, okay, that's what I needed to hear because I don't, that's the only difference between yesterday and today that I've gotten to with Tommy is more so that,

there's two sides to every story. Right. So like, right. Like what's going on on his side of the street that's causing the rift from him? And that's when Vita says you blame Tommy. I'm like, oh, so you don't 100% blame Tommy. That's what I get from that.

And I just assumed that Vita would be like, great, kick his ass to the curve. The fact that she didn't gave me a reason for pause. Yeah, it gives you a reason for pause. And we already were introduced to the fact that she's around a lot. She's involved in all of their lives. She's there. She's helping with shams for their date night thing. She's always around.

She's got a relationship with Tommy. She's got a relationship with MJ. Obviously, it's her daughter. So she's going to have the best perspective on it. It's just whether or not her perspective is going to be warped for what she wants. And what we want is a bipartisan third party. He's going to be able to call both of them out for their bullshit. And if that's Vita, great.

Like, I don't know if she will be able to do that. But I'm fine with the little. nuggets of knowledge here and there to try to put these pieces together, especially without any background on it. Now let's get over to Reza and Gigi. And Gigi's going over to Reza's place. They got a nice little platter there for brunch. And it's more house stuff because Reza and somebody, by the way, to our commenters,

continue to comment because they are giving us background. They're filling us in on little shit that we don't know. That's so helpful. So please, if you don't mind, continue. commenting because it helps us out a lot. But Rez's her realtor trying to find her a place to live as we know.

They should not be doing this together and they reach this assessment on their own. But I can't imagine being in Reza's shoes. I would be so fucking annoyed too and I would probably get ramped

up as fast as he does with this shit because it's not like a subjective thing. It's not like a subjective thing. It's not like, hey, maybe that, no, you don't work. You have no money. You want this six bedroom house in California. You can't afford it, period.

End of, end of convoy, but she will not hear it. And then she goes to him and asks for help on houses. Like, how fucking annoying would that be? Hey, here's what you can get. What about these ones? No. Here's what you can get. What about this one?

No. Stop. I would lose my. in mind. So I think the best, go ahead. No, I was going to say having the wherewithal to just remove yourself from the situation. I don't care whose idea it was. It seems like they're trying to paint it in like a mutual respect. You know what? We've gone too far. We don't want, we don't want this to spill over into our friendship. We don't want this to fray our friendship because I clearly want something that you can't give me. You want me to do something that I can't

give you. It's just a, it's a mutual parting of ways. We can still sit down in my back, and argue about it, and I can still tell you while you're wrong, but at least we're not doing it in a business format. We're doing it in a friend format. So they're not blurring the lines, which we've seen so many different times and so many different instances over these shows. But to see that they did this off camera, I mean, first episode, it was sit down with me and help me find a house.

Okay, you need to fix your credit. You need to fix your finances. Here you go, boom, boom, boom, boom. Here's a couple of houses. No, no, no, no, no. In between episode one and two, they had the dissolving. They sat down and said, you know what? This isn't working.

let's not ruin our friendship over the fact that we don't agree on this. Great. Awesome. Let's also sit down and still hash this out because it won. It's wildly entertaining to watch the two of them just shout at each other. I love it. Because they're doing it from such like a good friend standpoint where it's like, there's no doubt in my mind. Like, yeah, you might get a little heated,

but you're going to walk away in a couple minutes later. You're going to be fine. It's not the end of the world. MJ walks into this whole thing while they're erupting over Gigi's finances and her wanting a six bedroom house. And she doesn't want to be north. of the boulevard because it's unsafe over there. All of the things that they've been talking about probably for weeks are all coming out

at once. And MJ's like, all right, I'm just going to sit down here. What the fuck are you coming from church? Yes, I'm coming from church. No,

some of us actually work just shows you how disconnected Gigi is. But again, it's weirdly endearing. It's fun. It's fine. And then we find out, of course, that she's like,

yeah, you know, I've got some tame picks that I post on only fans. I got there. And they're like, oh, okay, there you go.

Now here comes the money. Yeah, great, by the way. If that makes you a big old nest egg, go for it. We don't give a shit. But yeah, their rapport with one another is delightful. It's it's funny. They're quick. They're witty. They get heated. They reel it in. It's everything you want in an on-screen friendship. And just listening to some of the statements being made, like, you know, well, what did you find? I didn't call anybody cheaper because you fucking didn't

want me to. She's like, oh, okay. But the best line that she said was, you're a real friend to say these things, but don't say them to other people. Like, there, there. So she acknowledges like, yeah, you're right, Reza, but shut the fuck up. Yeah. So as you said, they dissolve the, uh, the realtor relationships. So she's on her own with that, which we already know is not going to go well because

what her next step is is asking an ex-husband for money. I believe. Dennis is where we're headed with this. Yeah, that's what it seems like we're going to get to next week. The thing I enjoy the most, and I think you're spot on with the, she's going to be somebody that embodies all the things

that we hate, but we're going to really like her. Because her whole house hunt is based on this idea that my life is upward mobility, baby. I do not step back. Because Steve Harvey said to buy a first

class plane ticket to experience it. And I'm never going back. I'm never going back to economy class. You can get fucked. I'll figure out a way to get this six bedroom house. I don't know why, but as soon as she said Steve Harvey, I knew what she was talking about.

And I have no idea when I've heard that before, but for some reason it popped into my brain. I could see the TikTok. Yeah, I don't care for that. I don't like that I was incepted by Steve Harvey. Yeah, Steve Harvey done incepted you, intercepted all of us. And just show me inception.

And it's even like, more frustrating, I think, on Reza's side of things, just because, and then we'll move on. He says things like, such sound advice. Why don't you get a smaller place, build up some money, save for a little while, and then you can get the house you want. What do you say? No, okay, I'll go fuck myself. It's just, it's a very funny duo, and I'm glad that they made peace so that we get to watch this. Yeah, it's one of those situations where he's completely cut ties.

but he'll always be there to talk to her. And she'll say, I'm not going to talk to you about what I'm going through or what I'm doing. But then she'll come back a week later and start talking to you. Let me get it. It's just, it's always expected and it's always going to be welcomed. But I love you just,

you just don't take those words for face value. It's like, hey, let's just agree to disagree right now. Okay, cool. Call me tomorrow. We'll talk about this. Yeah,

I'm going to call you tomorrow, though. Yeah. Now let's get to Craig. Craig, Jesus, Greg and Tannen are sitting down to a gorgeous meal. beautiful meal. They got the chargers out.

They got the whole set up everything. Now immediately they highlight without trying to highlight how little they communicate and how little they see eye to eye because Greg's like, man, it's been a while since we did this. Tan's like, we did this like two weeks ago. In my head, I'm like Greg's talking about like nice, beautiful sit down dinner. Tannen stuff. Oh, I thought that was just bullshit manufactured like for the cameras line.

you think she was like, yeah. Yeah, the beginning of this conversation just seemed so inauthentic and awkward. It's like, whoa, we never do this, right? Guys, Tannon, everyone, right? We never do this, guys, right? It's like, all right. Or get into it. This is fun.

He could have been being genuine. And then Tannin's like, dude, don't make us look like shit on on camera. We did this two weeks ago. Fun, because we don't know. That's what you get with a fucked up marriage. Woo! Anyway, Greg goes in. You're always out.

Yeah, I go to friends' houses, but you're like out, out. And when he dropped this line, I was like, oh, no, Greg. Maybe as a married woman, that's not the best idea. What an antiquated stupid way of thinking, one, but two, what we find out right after this, why the fuck would you ever bring this up, Greg? What are you doing? You have no ground to stand on ever. The fact that Tannen's still here is remarkable because Greg has gone out not once or twice multiple times and handed out not only his Instagram, but his phone number.

Well, the way that he presented it too, he's like, well, you know, I don't know. It's very antiquated and not really understand how it works, but like. So it's old school Armenian mentality. Yeah. And it's like somebody's going to come over to me and what? Like I asked for my Instagram. Yeah, I mean, I did that. It's like, wait, what?

You threw me through a loop right there. Same. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like it's just Instagram. And it's, I'm just being nice and, you know, I'm out with my friends and they're talking to all of us. And I'm just, you know, I just feel bad not doing it. It's like, where are you going with this? But like, I don't know.

There was a group of girls and, you know, a couple of them were hanging out. And they just wanted no places to go in the area. You know, I figured I could have. help them out. They hadn't been there before. So the girl texted me like, hey, baby, at 2 a.m. I ran and told my wife. It's like, I can't get a read on you. I don't know if you intended on cheating on your wife or like getting the ego stroke and you were hoping she would text you earlier while you were still out or if you really are this dumb. I can't figure it out. Both. I mean, he is remarkably stupid. I was fascinated, dude. I was like, what are you doing?

And to use your example as an example of what could happen to Tannen. Like, what if someone gives you your Instagram? Why would you say that one? You've done that. If you're trying to list reasons of bad things to do, you just listed your own fucking reason, dipshit. And there's no excuse.

Like, the fact that he's trying to spin it like, I was being nice, you know, they were from out of town. What are you talking about? And like, you don't ever get to. tell Tannen ever that she's not allowed to go out. She has free reign to go out because of that, especially when the argument is that was like nine or ten years ago,

hmm, was it? Because that was two months ago, Dickhead and his defense. His defense and then you go. Yeah, his defense was that I told you right away. So clearly I wasn't trying to be shady.

That's not true. I don't, So the vibe I get from them, and I think I'm just reading through the lines here, and I might be vindicated at some point this season or maybe later, I think they know the marriage is over. And I think they've known for a little while that the marriage is over. And you can tell, again, going back to that conversation that was right next to each other, Tannen and Sky, Greg and the boys, they're using all the same language,

which is why I said earlier, they've had this conversation. They've talked to each other. They're trying to show us that like, hey, the marriage is a little bit. stale. I'm not really buying it. I'm thinking more so that they've had this conversation maybe a couple times over and they're in a weird place in their marriage where maybe they even tried to go and do like an open relationship type of thing. Like you go get what you need. I'll go get what I need. But they're not presenting that to us here. They're presenting to us that they're stale and they're trying to work through their communication issues. But again, like you pointed out too,

they sound the same. They talk the same. They explain things the same way. So that tells me that you've had this discussion before and you've had further discussions, maybe through counseling, maybe it's just the two of you sitting together. I don't know what it is. But once you throw in that whole, yeah, the Beverly Hills hotel bar, it's like, okay, I don't know a whole lot about Beverly Hills. But I imagine if you're like a swinger, open relationship, or cheating on your wife, you probably go to the Beverly Hills Hotel bar and try to pick up some chicks. That's most likely what you do. Based on movies, buddy, based on life. No, they go to the chateau. The abbey. The, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Chateau-Armond with Jesse and Quentin. Oh, yeah, Q's there. He's checking up. Shoes are optional. Shoes are optional. But that's the vibe that I get, that they either tried or they're in the midst of some sort of, I don't care.

I mean, I'm not going to say it's weird, but like they're in an open relationship or tried an open relationship or they're trying to figure things out. Now they're presenting to us like, oh, we're starting to work through this. It's like, no, I feel like you started like two. years ago, but you're doing this whole weird song and dance for us so that you can also get

divorced on this show. Maybe. Yeah. I don't have to see where that goes. Just something seemed off about this whole thing. I agree. It was definitely off for sure, but it seemed more off than usual. It seemed like to go to get smokescreen.

Yeah. Yeah. Like this was predetermined. Yeah. You can even go into like reading and you know, this is what we do. You read into all the things that are said, even the innocuous things. walking in and being like, we haven't done this in so long. It's like we did this two weeks ago.

Okay. That's a weird thing to do. It's a weird thing to say. You guys are talking about weird things in front of the cameras. I understand if you're a little camera shy because this is your first foyer in the reality TV. But I don't get that vibe. Something's off. Something's very off about this.

And I feel like they're throwing us through a loop just again so that they can separate or experiment with a quote unquote open relationship on camera. And then it's a captivating storyline that keeps them on for second seasons, third seasons, whatever it might be. then we're back to square one. It's like, okay, now we're going to go do this thing for real. Yeah, I don't know. It's, they clearly don't talk.

They say as much, but, you know, not just talk. They don't communicate at all. Right. Because Tannen's like, I can't even tell you about my skin care. Second attempt at a plug in the same show, Tanna, come on now. Yeah. But, Greg, and I, after the first comment, the old school Armenian comment that he made and the fact, that you know like do you really think a married woman should be out there when he says this next

line i'm like you just lump everything in to like one category he's like i like i can't i can't focus i can't focus on you like this dress i bought and tan's like i've never said that asshole i'm talking about skin care so he hears anything feminine and he's like that's all the same as dresses skin care you know that's girl shit so i don't have a lot of hope for these two uh primarily because I don't, and I don't know a lot about him. I don't think Greg's changing. And maybe she won't either. Like, but he seems much more like, I don't know.

The fact that she, those types of tears when it's like, the sentence is totally normal, like, no. And you see her like sitting there normally and like a tear fights its way out. That's like real sad shit. That's like I'm, I'm really unhappy with my life. when you get that type of cry. Yeah. But it doesn't mean they can't ask the obvious question of how do we get here?

It seems pretty obvious to me. If Greg's out texting other chicks and try to pick them up at the bar. And I would imagine that fucked up your trust in Greg. And I would imagine that probably snowballed into communication issues. And then when you were distant, Tannen, probably in an attempt to get Greg to pay attention. And then he didn't pay attention, that distance probably. we got comforting and comfortable, and that's where you guys live now. Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

All right. Well, let's finish this up with Darth Vita and Tommy. I paid a lot of attention to this scene because this is going to tell me a lot about Tommy that I don't know. And it did, honestly, and not in a bad way necessarily. Their relationship tells me that he's not a piece of shit. He's not like the worst guy in the world because they're able to. able to sit down. I started to get the vibe in this scene. I was like, all right, so he's just this

dude from New York. This is how he is. This is what he does. He's always been this guy. Fine. Doesn't mean he can't change, but that's irrelevant. I like that Vita is bringing this to his attention for the show. And I'm sure that this would probably happen in real life anyway. I have a sneaky suspicion that MJ asked her to do this. Yeah, I feel like it probably happened right after that call in the car. Right after that call on the car, cameras go down. Hey, do you mind talking to Tommy about this? And this is how I feel.

This isn't just as simple as it's mother's intuition. It's because I'm around you guys all the time. I can tell you that my daughter's, like, because she didn't really say it. The language that she was using while talking to Tommy wasn't, I know how my daughter feels. I'm around you guys a lot. I understand how this goes.

It was very, very matter of fact. MJ is very upset in this marriage. She's very unhappy in this marriage. I feel like you're also. And then she's kind of like extending that leaf out there where it's like, hey, you're going to take this? You're going to take this? Nope, you're not going to take this because you just, like you said earlier in the episode,

this is how he views marriage in general. This is what he always thought it was going to be. He's never going to change. He's always going to be the same guy. He's going to raise his son to be just like him. He's going to do that and poke fun at his wife. And that's just what he expected the entire time. So to hear that your wife is upset.

Now, again, this is probably going into things that we don't quite, understands by not watching a lot of shaws but i did hear the vita was very much so a nuisance and she was very more let's just say she's more tame in these two episodes than she was in all of shahs i gathered that i kind of figured yeah i mean her name's darts vita so like you have to assume that there's there's a dark side in there somewhere this seemed like a very you know this is probably what's best for both of you kind of conversation not just a hey shit stuff get the hell out of my daughter's life, which is probably what she wanted to do. But I think there's there's definitely some truth to what you said where it seems like MJ

probably talked to Vita about this. Like, hey, maybe he'll listen to you and I don't have to be the bearer of bad news here. That's kind of the vibe I got. And, you know, given his backstory, it makes a lot more sense. You know, his mother passed away when he was 13. Dad wasn't in the picture. He raised himself essentially. and, you know, it's like, MJ's really hard on me, which I could see.

And I'm sure Vita's not a walk in the park either. So it's probably not the most easygoing household. But I don't know. It's when he says things like, she's like, improve your relationship, change. And he's like, it's been 10 years. Why would I change now? It's like if you want to save your marriage, dude. And that's where I don't know if he doesn't, that could just simply be,

not to sound like an asshole, but like an intelligence thing. Like he may not put those pieces together where he's like, oh, if I want to improve my relationship, improved my, I don't think he got there, which, you know, it is what it is. But it's just, it's fat, it's really fascinating to see this from two different sides because of how authentic this one is. We haven't really seen this before. No, especially from the dude involved, you know, where he's opening up to us and being like, you know, she should be grateful. I'm a good husband. I don't deserve this. I don't deserve that.

I got to deal with Vita's shit too. And I get triggered because I see the faults in my wife are all coming from you, Vita. So it's a lot of layers that we don't get to hear from the husbands very often. So it's tough to make it out, honestly. Yeah. And I feel like just the way that reality TV works, there's always a maybe not a hero, but there's always a villain when it comes to separations when it comes to divorces on reality TV. And I feel like that's what most people.

are going to look for. They're going to look for who does the worst, who does the thing that really pushes them over the edge, who's really pushing for this and pushing the other person's boundaries. This one's going to be a bit of a toss-up. Now, obviously, we're starting off with, it seems very clear-cut and dry that MJ wants out and Tommy's going to be the nuisance. Tommy's going to be the one that's pushing back, like, hey, no, we're not going to do this. I could see it flipping. I could see it flipping. I could see it getting to a very weird situation where all of a sudden Tommy has this conversation with Vita and all of a sudden he's like, yeah,

Vita can't come over or keep her out of the house and he does the same thing that he's doing with Reza and Gigi, but now he's doing it with her mother and then it becomes push comes to shove. You're not going to be around my mom. You don't want to do this. So I don't really know how it's going to play out. I feel like the best approach is probably just keep

an open mind. And again, we already kind of have that predetermined issue where we think it's MJ pushing this and pulling the strings because now they're back on the show and it's very captivating if you want to put it that way, although divorces are always kind of weird to watch. I don't know. I really don't know how it's going to play out or what's going to happen.

I imagine, if I had to guess, MJ is going to eventually pull the trigger and Tommy's going to be sitting there just crying and saying, why are we doing this? Yeah, that's what I think. I think the biggest thing for me, especially given my first impression and second, third, fourth, fifth impression of Tommy is not being too quick to judgment, like actually seeing the dynamic of this. marriage actually witnessing because we've seen the way he talks in front of the kid. I don't love that. But that is not an indicator that he's a bad father, you know, like he could be. He seems involved. He seems like he hangs with the kid a lot.

So like I don't want to condemn anybody when we are two episodes in and don't have all the details. So despite his brash behavior, I am suspending judgment until I see their dynamic. more. Yeah, I think that's probably the best way for us to do that. Now I would ask that you guys do the same. That's the dream. Yeah, be the dream.

All right, let's get some questions here. First one up here from Sweet Sarah 10. Does anyone else find Tommy horribly disgusting? Yeah, he is a disgusting guy. I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't date him. I wouldn't be with him. But, you know, there's a lot of layers to this. one. Blackbeard 601. How many of these couples are headed for divorce? All of them. Great

premiere. I'm hooked. So are we. So are we. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. Yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of people that are just happy to see this show back on. Happy to see Resin, Gigi back on, MJ. Lini 5,000, which couple is your favorite so far? Ooh. That's hard to say. Favorite, like, that's a load of question on a on a bravo show like favorite to watch favorite like we like them favorite like i would hang out with like what do you mean favorite entertainment value wise um probably gregg and tannin favorite like oh they seem like a sweet couple is natasha and amir yeah i think that's fair uh there's not many other we're double dipping into our questions yesterday and there's a lot from yesterday

that we did answer, but I'm not seeing any other distinct ones in there. But we're caught up, which is the most important thing. Oh, this is a good one. We didn't answer this one yesterday. It's right next to the Refuse to Watch Roba these days. Love your recap episode so much. Laughter, thanks. Diana and Jerry, I don't think we did this one yesterday, but do you see any standout stars yet.

I don't think we did this one yesterday either. Reza Jacks could be great. We're only looking at the new people who don't have the reality TV pedigree. G.G. Reza and MJ are already stars. Yeah, I'm going to say Reza Jacks or I'm not really getting a lot from Natasha. I imagine, again, we're probably going to dip into their marriage at some point. Yeah, RJ has a good shot of being a mainstay in the reality TV world. I would also say it's, I mean,

I'm enjoying everybody. So it's tough to, like, single anyone out. I like what we get from Amir a lot. Like, he's definitely more reserved and we haven't gotten a ton from him yet. But I do enjoy his scenes a lot. Yeah, I would say frontrunner for now is Resa Jacks. Yeah, I think it's fair. And last one here from Dr.

Cards, literally better than the Valley. It very well might be. It very, it's on the way. which is, God, if we can have two great Valley shows, sign me up, Daddy. Wouldn't that be nice? Hell yeah, brother. But we will be back. We actually got screeners for this.

I can't believe it. I'm fucking so excited. It's only a day early, but at least helps us. We got it. But yeah, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Nope.

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