Bros & Shows - Gretchen Rossi Returns to RHOC (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

What's up Bros? Gretchen has returned to face Tamra head on. In this episode, Katie set up a hot pot lunch in an attempt to move forward with the whole group. Emily still refuses to budge an inch and Gina continues to get activated. You'd think Katie killed someone the way they're talking about it. Heather seems to be somewhat Switzerland in this whole scenario but we are seeing two teams forming. Tamra, Gina, Emily and Katie, Gretchen and Jenn. Shannon appeared to be on team Katie but due to some new information, Shannon may be joining Tamra on the hate train... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. welcome back gretchen rossi this is my first gretchen rossi experience yeah i uh unintentionally did some research and by research i mean just throwing on old oc episodes there so i actually knew what was going on and i knew about slade and uh you're not going to like them Bros and shows I got to have me

my bros and shows Bros and shows Bros and shows I got to have me my bros and shows Good afternoon everybody Welcome back to another episode

of Bros and shows I'm your co-host Steel Russell joined as always by the one and only the fabulous Goots What's up dude? Not a whole lot

Feeling a little tired What a little golf trip Yeah down in North Carolina And I woke up in the 4 o'clock hour every day to drive to go to early tea times yeah real time or tea times seven why did you wake up at four four 30 pretty much every day uh get ready get on the road by like five 15 530 oh how far were they like an hour away ah bingo uh why did you stay so far away well i stayed at my stepbrothers it's just a

lovely weekend that's smart smart lovely weekend hang out with the kids and then uh yeah drive about an hour and uh play a lot of golf walks like close to 20 miles throughout the weekend that's and just walking on courses, you know? How are you feeling? Tired. You look good, though. Yeah. Yeah, you don't look like you went on a bender for three days.

No, no, it's impossible to go on a bender when it's like 96 degrees. And you have a couple of beers and then the beer gets warm within, you know, 20 minutes. And you're just, nah, I'm done with this. Yeah, then you're like, where's my hot water bottle of vodka, right? Well, yeah, yeah. It's more like Andy when he got Buzz Light ears. Like, I don't want to play with you anymore, Woody. Oh, pretty much how it goes.

Why just to bring that up? Why not? I still have trauma from that. Do you? Yeah, I think so. I think Toy Story fucked me up. I know. Still messed you up?

Yeah, well, I'm revisiting all of these with my children. True, yeah. Toy Story 3 was the saddest. Is that the one where they're in the daycare? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like that. Kind of like going towards an incinerator and you're like, oh. Wow, this could be, wouldn't it be wild if Pixar just one time, like, ended a movie like that?

I think that's the thing. That's trauma, where even though it's a Disney movie, you're like, they could die. Yeah. Is this how it ends? It's like, why would they? They wouldn't do that to us or would they? I don't know.

It's like the question of mortality. Look at finding Nemo. The mom and all, that was like, we don't talk about that enough. Okay, in the beginning of that movie, there's a massacre.

Yeah. He had like a hundred brothers and sisters and they're gone. Yeah. See? We don't talk about that enough. We don't. And a lot like we don't talk about that.

We don't talk about how OC was like, hey, Gretchen, we don't want to play with you anymore. just kidding, come on in. I really like Gretchen from this episode. I don't know a lot about her, but I liked what I saw this episode. Yeah, she's, how do we put this?

She's a necessary evil. Yes. I think. And I hope that she can hold it together because there are, you know, there's a little bit, some spots here and there where you can tell she's stammering a little bit.

If you're going to go after Tamara, you can't stammer because it doesn't matter what you say. They don't call her stammer. I was going to say. I was waiting for it. I gave you a little opening there. I wasn't sure if you were going to do it or if I was supposed to do it. Even if she's dead wrong, even if all the facts are just adding up and she is caught dead red.

It doesn't matter. You stammer a little bit. She'll just go after that. That's a valid point. And I think from what I saw, I think that she's going to be able to stand her own. It's nice to have somebody that came into the show ready to take her on. That's what we needed. And, you know, obviously, without fail when we recap OC, we're going to get a lot of comments about how we're too.

mean about tamma blah blah blah do we get a lot of comments or just like a couple there's a decent amount of tamera stands out there can't imagine by ryan yeah that's the the leader of the pack there we've said it before i mean she's necessary for the show absolutely doesn't mean we have to like her correct i was actually going to say that i was like you know just because she's not our cup of tea get it yeah just because she's not our cup of tea doesn't mean that we don't recognize what she does for OC. I think that what was missing was somebody able to go toe to toe with her throughout the season. That's what we haven't had. So now that we potentially have that, I'm excited. I think what we actually do have is Jen. I think Jen is the person that will actually do it when she's unveiled as the final boss for Tamara. What we need now is Gretchen to just try to add some wind to those sales. Sure. You know, it almost be like cannon fodder. Get out there. Tamara's going to see it coming. She's going to try to knock it down. And then that's when Jen steps. and because Jen seems to have some information on the side that can go in, which is very funny, because, again, they all talk to bloggers, but we're going after Katie for whatever reason.

Hopefully that's put to bed for real. I think we're close. I don't think it's over yet. I don't think it's over either. It's just, you know, the hypocrisy is brutal. And it's written all over the walls that this could be a terrible season. There are so many little things holding this up. If any of them fall through, it's over.

Yeah, but we're not like this side. I didn't mind this episode. I thought it was a good episode, and it gave me hope for this season. Obviously, we don't root for bad seasons. Absolutely not. We just see a lot of tropes that tend to go south, such as the blogger thing. The blogger storyline is never a good storyline on any Bravo show, on any reality TV show. That's not how to break the fourth wall.

So when we see a lot of that, we get a little nervous. This was a good bounceback episode. It made me more excited for this season. And I think we've watched it happen from when she came on the show. to now, the trajectory of Jen has been phenomenal. It's been phenomenal. She seems like she's in a place now where she's confident. She has backup, and she's not afraid to get into it anymore.

Yeah. The dinner party scene at her and Ryan's place, it's just weird. I was uncomfortable. I want it to be good. I want everybody to come over. You know, Gretchen and Slade show back up. Whatever. Slade's back.

Whatever. It just seems uncomfortable. It seems a little forced. Like, they're like, hey, you know, we all have to be together to go after the tamers of the world. And we know all of our minions are going to come after us. Let's all get together and do this. I was kind of like Matt, like Matt's responses to a lot of that. I'm like, I don't think you're actually comfortable here.

No, but again, we can chalk that up to it's been a while since Gretchen's been on screen. They are trying to form this alliance, which, you know, could be a little clunky out of the gate. I think they're going to hit their stride once they get into the shit. Yeah. That's what I'm hoping for. At least her and Jen will. Yeah. I don't know if Katie's going to be part of that.

Katie needs to. For her own sake, she shouldn't. Yeah, I don't. She really just needs to find her footing. And every time that she seems like she might be getting somewhere, she gets knocked down again. It's just, it's tough to watch. A lot of it's her own doing. It is, but it's not.

That's where it's like kind of hard. I know there's a double standard. There's an obvious double standard here. But she doesn't do herself any good. Well, I think that it's, we're at a point now with Katie. And I think that I would, not I think that I like Katie and I want to see her have a chance to have an actual season. I think she's been bogged down by early mistakes. I think she's been bogged down by getting attacked by people like the gang up thing.

So she hasn't, like you said, had a chance to really find her footing. I think if she can have a season this year where she gets involved but she's not the center of attention, she's able to coast a little bit, but still be intriguing. I think that's where we're going to. find her find herself on the show and i think that'd be a good thing i think she's good for this show i just we need to back off for a little bit so that she can just get neutral yeah i'm still really unsure about katy and that's just because of what happened last year and obviously you know this is an episode where she's owning up to some things you know apologizing showing regret whatever

you might say she came in last year it was just a stupid fucking move like hey uh remember that storyline that everybody was really tired about from last year about Heather and Terry and their staged pictures at Disneyland. Well, I've got some tea for you guys. Actually, it's true. Okay, go tell her that before I tell her that. Okay, cool. You're done.

Season's over for Katie. Like, it was just immediately over before it even began. It was a dumb move. She kind of hops to that in this episode, but it was still really clunky. And she's still doing some of the same shit in the offseason talking to bloggers. And I don't care if you're reaching out because you feel bad that this woman might get sued. Who cares? talking to them, you're talking to them. That's really all the matter. So if she keeps

doing that, I'm not going to defend her. Right now, I'm sort of in a neutral state where I'm like, okay, maybe we can move on and actually find out who Katie is. Correct. Without all of this shit, just kind of like storming around her, but I'm still really unsure about her. I will say, Gretchen's one episode, better than Alexis's entire season last year. Oh, facts. By far. Alexis was awful. She came on. They both, you can draw some parallels here. Yeah. Alexis came on. She was going to go after Shannon. She's going to flaunt Johnny J. in her face, it was over before it began again. It's just like, we don't want this. This is different. We know you're on the show to go after Tamara, and if you can hold your own,

that's great. If you can't, it could also still be entertaining. So she's in a win-win situation for us. Yeah. And look, there's a lot of bright notes that we can see. So hopefully it trends in that direction. Again, this is a great bounceback episode. But let's dive into it. And I just had to point out the first scene was Shannon and her daughter when she picks her up from the airport in the regular terminal baggage claim, but they flash over to PJs lined up right before they pick her up. I was like, you know, fooling anybody. That was like when little bow wow, I guess he's just bow wow now. Do you remember when he posted, put the hood up and the sunglasses and he's like, these kids don't even know who I am and I'm so scared? Not that one. Okay. Nobody knows he

yeah. He was on or he took a picture on his Instagram and posted it and it was him traveling quote unquote, and it was like a private plane, and in the next 30 minutes, somebody had taken a picture of him on their commercial flight and posted it. Yeah. But anyway, any who will also say for Shannon, it is incredibly difficult and confusing sometimes when you go to an airport. You don't know where anybody is. You've got to go here.

Now we've got ride chairs or over here. I was just an airport last night. I've been to the Philadelphia airport a million times. I am never confident when I tell someone, hey, I'm going to be here. Can you come pick me out? Oh, yeah. They're even going to be able to get to that point. Well, it's confusing.

So it's not her fault. The ride shares to the left when you come down the escalator. The main terminal is to the right. But I agree. And then when you get out to the ride share. And the signs are all like, we've got limos, taxis, this, that, whatever. And then the other side is Uber's lift. And I'm like, okay, what if someone's coming to physically pick me up?

Right. Yeah, I know that now. But the second lane on the right. And again, I've been there a million times that I know, but I still second guess myself. Welcome back to airport. Talk with the bros. God, Philly's airport. it's trash. Yeah, it can do a lot better, but you get Emily, Tamara, and Gina, and they're going

to the shape shop. I don't know. I have been in the fitness industry for a while now. I've never seen this tool. Yep. That's all I'll say it. What it was is just like an electric moving, you know, one of those foam rollers that's got like ribbed. It's ribbed for your pleasure. God damn it. I didn't think about that until just now. All right. Hey now. That's really all it is. And, you know, I guess, you know, there's some benefits to it. I don't know. I have no idea what it does. I've never seen them before.

By the way, this is our second visit to a, fuck, now. Shape shop. What? To a shape, oh, no, the shape shop, yes. I meant specifically for, what was it that Danny and Nea went for? I want to call it thoracic or whatever. I don't. Oh, oh, oh.

Fuck. I don't know what it's called. I don't know. Yeah, that thing. Yeah, that thing. You guys know that. But they're recapping the golden door. thing and

Gina's giving Tamara a ton of credit because she's like, I see her really trying to work on it with Shannon. It's like, where did we see that? And she's like, well, you didn't get activated. It's like, okay. It's like a cue. Sure. Here's what we're going to talk about in this scene. How do I bring that up? Because she didn't really talk to Shannon.

I'm just going to fake it. See, just really trying out there, Tamara. You're doing a great job. Gina's on some shit this season. She didn't Emily have to fucking go. We talk about a necessary evil in Tamara. I don't even think they're evil. They're just duds. They just have to go. I just, I don't find

their scenes all that entertaining. No. I really don't. Or insightful. Mm-mm. But they're talking about Katie and the blogger now and Emily's pissed off at Shannon and Gina's pissed off at Shannon for defending Katie, which I don't understand. I just really don't because

the gang-ups, I think, are collectively, we've seen it on multiple shows. The gang-ups never, even on Roney. Like, that was a nightmare when they were down in the hot tub and I think was Aaron and she got ganged up on. And then we, how many times we've seen a moment where it's like five or six against one and amidst the yelling and screaming,

the six people go, this is too much, we're sorry. Yeah. Like, I feel like that happens every time, but it doesn't happen with this crew. It never happens with this crew, but it's also not just, it's just, I get no satisfaction out of it. Yeah.

They're not going after someone that I think deserves it. Yes, do I think fine, like, in this scene specifically when they're referring to Katie is someone who's doing things that are just inflammatory to like what we're doing and they're going after us for these things and like it's really hurtful it's really hurtful you guys but we're not talking about what emily did at the reunion in the same breath it doesn't make any sense to me and that should it just gets so old but it never goes after or the group rather never goes after somebody who deserves it i agree always going after

people like katy who she made a mistake sure was it stupid absolutely don't get involved with bloggers absolutely don't now all of a sudden people are going to have questions about what you're feeding them are you talking about this and that and whatever it's just going to be really exhausting for us to watch and meanwhile you've got people on the show who have been doing the same shit for years in tamara and we never see a gang up on her it's just infuriating no it is frustrating and you get a juxtapose scene with shannon and katy which this is going to be interesting between these two watching the breakdown of that because especially where shannon's at in her life at this point i think that something like this may have,

I think she still would have taken it personally and we're obviously talking about what happens later in the episode. I don't think she's capable right now of like brushing things off, especially when it's a breach of trust. I don't think Katie's capable of explaining it in a way that makes sense.

This is one of her biggest issues is when she tries to explain something that she's done, she should just flat out say, I'm sorry. Yeah. And explain what happened, but then take full accountability. She always tries to, like, give you a reason why it's not bad, but it's like, the result is the same because you do things that you probably shouldn't do.

And then your defense of it is just try to give people an explanation. Like, well, no, it's not exactly what happened. This is exactly what happened. And that's different. It's like the results the same time, I don't really believe her, too, when it comes to the blogger stuff. I don't either. We'll talk more about the Shannon stuff later. But with the blogger stuff, and this is kind of what Shannon's talking to her about, just kind of getting out in front of things and apologizing and don't have a butt at the end.

of every sentence that you have because Katie does. And I didn't even realize that until Shannon pointed it out, which is very astute of Shannon. Quite astute. Look at her, just keeping an eye on things and how they're playing out instead of just living her own little world. That's what she did all of last season. This year, it seems like she genuinely might be trying to give Katie a chance, which is what

the lunch is at the end. Hey, give me a chance to know me. And maybe you'll like me. Who knows? But in the midst of all of this, you kind of just realize Katie is shit at explaining things. Not good. Just garbage. Like, what do you do it?

Apologize. You can even, I would okay with this. I would okay. I would okay this. If I was a producer for breaking a fourth wall, point everybody else out. You talk to everybody just because Tamara is a blogger in her other job. It doesn't make it any better. You're doing the same shit.

You're getting sources. People are feeding you information and you're talking about it on a podcast. But because it's your podcast and you're talking about it, it's okay. Loophole. Everybody else has done this. Just keep pointing out all of the hypocrisy. Then I'm okay with it. Then you don't really have to apologize.

You can apologize for getting caught, whatever. But she just never does a good job of explaining things. And when she can be vindicated, she doesn't. So that's why I don't really trust her because we still haven't seen the DMs. Exactly. If you had nothing to hide, and I know there's probably some things in there that you'd rather just kind of keep in the dark, fine, whatever. But if they're calling you out specifically for one person, show us the DMs. It's a pretty simple fix.

And I think, and I hope that she gets to a place where she just does that. All she's trying to do now seemingly is move on from all of these things. But you have to take the accountability. That's what Shannon's talking to her in this scene. She's like, yeah, I get it. And yeah, it sucks to get ganged up on. But at the same time, you have to stop doing this. And you have to stop explaining it like this.

The minute she says stop saying, yeah, but, she goes, yeah, but. It's like that. That's the problem. And that's why the group is not going to move on from everything. With MX Platinum, $400 in annual credits for travel and dining. means you not only satisfy your travel bug, but your taste buds too. That's the powerful backing of Amex.

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you would think what she's done is, like, try to ruin lives. Yeah. Like, she pointed out that she knows for a fact that the pictures were staged in Disney with Terry and Heather. Not that serious, not that deep. The other thing was with Emily's kids and pointing out that the nanny had said that their kids don't like Heather and Heather's mean. These are not things that will ruin lives. These simply are not. But the way that Gina's described, and she's like, Katie's done horrible things to the group, horrible to all of us.

It's like, you guys have done way worse to each other before she got here. All of you are afraid to go against each other, especially Tamara, especially, especially Tamerly. Jesus. Tamerley. especially Tamalee, sure. And because of that, you have a newbie here

that made a mistake and you guys saw the vulnerability and you're just jumping all over. I think we can both agree and have agreed. She needs to clean some things up. She is at fault and she needs to take accountability

but I would like to finally get to a place where we can just move on from last season, move on from the blogger story and start new this year. You can still have your feelings and reservations about her. Sure.

But we don't need to write off a newbie because she made one mistake in her first year. Yeah. Multiple, multiple mistakes. Multiple mistakes. She definitely made multiple mistakes. But everybody else has. And again, it's hypocrisy counting at this point. We're going back and forth and we're looking at different things.

Why is no one talking about what happened last week? Where Jen's talking about how Tamara has potentially made her life a lot harder with her ex and with her kids. Now all of a sudden we have this whole shit storm. But no one's going to say, oh, wow, Tamara's doing things that are going to be bad for someone else. we're talking about Katie going and talking to some blogger. Yeah. It's just stupid. It's, and it gets so tiring to the point where if it continues, we're going to get to a point where we're just like, okay, one sentence.

Well, the hypocrisy is continuing. We don't know what to say about this. It's just stupid at this point. We're going to move on. 100%. 100%. Let's get to Shannon's house where she's catching up with Sophie, who just got back from her trip. I guess she's in New York City now kicking ass, which is fun to hear, good for her.

and we get a Love Hotel recap. Yeah, we do. We got Earl the Pearl on the screen. And obviously that didn't work out. They clearly were never going to work out, but I appreciate that she gave it a run. Shannon's out here, smooching dudes. She smooched four dudes.

Six months, four dudes. And not one time did she initiate the smooching. Hell yeah, Shannon. Good for her. Keep it up. Love thoseumbies. Although we did see in Love Hotel that she, I forget who it was, that she wanted to get a kiss from.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I hated that guy. can't remember who he was the guy in the second wave he was the worldly guy yeah it was that dude uh and then he would maybe and then he went over and he wanted to have a threesome with luan oh right right right right was that guy uh she wanted to kiss from that guy she could have initiated but she didn't don't don't make them come to you better off by not doing that yeah that was an awkward ass scene i forgot about that yeah we'll get right back to the rest of our show but first a few words from our friends over at prolon and you heard me earlier i went through a long grueling golf trip it was hot sweaty and the worst of all i was eating fried food left and right because i just needed

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of that nature. And she is concerned that he may be autistic. So her and Shane are discussing it, and I don't think either is right or wrong. You know, Shane's saying, I'm trying to normalize it so he doesn't feel like he's doing things that are weird until we can get a handle on it or until we can figure out what to do next. Emily is more concerned as far as saying like well this is not normal we need to fix this now I don't know what the answer is I think it's like such a difficult thing so I do feel for I feel for Shane and hopefully they're able to navigate this together I think the one thing that's alarming

not alarming but they're just on different pages and that's again probably very normal for a situation like this as you're trying to diagnose but I do feel for her like just because I don't like her like I do feel for her I definitely feel for her I'm kind of wrestling with this one, but before I get into her son and everything that's going on there, I don't care for Emily and Shane's marriage. Well, that's always been a strange marriage. Yeah, and I don't care for the way that she talks about them. Even going back to the shape thing, she randomly just brings up like, oh, I might put this

next to my bed. Okay, funny joke. Yeah, at least then it's not going to tell me all the things that I've done wrong, and it's not, I'm not going to have to go pick up, like, what does she say, Popeye's bags or something? Popeye's or Taco Bell or something. And I'm like, you don't have to take a shot at your husband there. That's mean.

I think that's their relationship. They seem like friends. Maybe that's their relationship. I don't need that in your confession. Oh, I hear you. I don't want to hear you bitching about your husband. I don't like bashing spouses. Yeah, it's not fun.

The thing that I'm really wrestling with, though, is I want the housewives to be real. I want to see your stuff. I'm sick. I guess what you're wrestling. It's not even necessarily like my normal thing, which would be like, are you using your son as a storyline right now? that's kind of grimy. I'm not even going to go that far because I don't know if she necessarily is. I don't want to accuse her of doing that because that would be bad. But I will say maybe pump the brakes a little bit. You're sharing a lot of information about

this kid and we do talk about kids when they grow up. They have to go back and be like, oh, I was featured on Rossi at some point, you know, in the 2020s. Oh, okay. So they're really just like airing out all of my stuff. Like, yeah. There are some things that are better left. Like, hey, we're having a really hard time with him. You know, he's going through this that and whatever every step of the way is tough he's going to have an autism diagnosis he's going to have this going on and this going on and this going on it's like okay you don't know all of these things to be fair so it's it's a little tough yeah no and again i'm not saying she's doing this because she doesn't have a storyline i think emily sucks anyway so like whatever but this

is a very real aspect of motherhood she's going through it she's sharing with us i would just be cautious about how much you're going to share about this kid who has to grow up exactly and anytime the kids are involved, we all, I mean, rule number one at bros and shows is leave the kids out of it. We've always said that. The other thing it does, and again, I'm not on this, this side of things, but it does leave you open to, well, you got pissed off at Katie for bringing your kids into it now. You're bringing your kids. Obviously, it's her kids. It's her decision. That's way different. Yeah. Fully agree. I'm not on that camp in that camp. I've seen that. If you look in the comments, that's popping up a lot. Right. It just leaves the door open to it. And for me,

I agree. I don't think that it's wrong to share that you're going through this. I don't think it's wrong to give some insight because it's real. It's going to resonate with a ton of people and we always like when there's stuff like that going on. It's just when you, I think the best way to do it or the best way to explain it is like you said, the kids are going to see this one day. Or you have to assume that they're going to see it one day. Are you okay with what they're going to see? Right. I think it's just way different when we're watching it in real time. Like these are current events, watching her go through it. I think she's, in my opinion, I think she's just being way too specific and way too forthright with. Here's all of the things that we're going through. Here's a day to day in his life. It's like, okay, he didn't ask for that. Right.

Let's not, you know, put that out there as opposed to, you know, maybe months and years down the line when there is a diagnosis or there is something going on. Then it's awareness. Then it's like, hey, I'm having a really tough time. I had a really tough time. Here's what we went through. And I talked to my son and we're willing to share this. Those are way different scenarios. Right now it just feels weird because we don't, at this point, know exactly what he's going through and what his diagnosis is.

So it's Tamer's fault really throwing around. Like, hey, I had one meeting with my therapist and I'm autistic. Exactly. Okay. Let's just, and that's not what this is. But it's not just like, all right, you know, hold some things close to the chest. I don't go to your confessional and talk about it right away. The Robert Jr. Mary Cosby method.

There we go. You know, they identified something going on. We all knew something was going on. We didn't know exactly what it was. And then, boom, here you go. Because she asked Robert Jr., are you comfortable? He said yes. And they gave us one of the most impactful scenes in reality TV history, I think.

So, yeah, I agree with you there. But I do hope that they are able to sort it out and move forward together as a family. Like, I do feel for it. I don't want to take away from that aspect. No, not at all. you know but now we got teams forming and usually i don't like factions this one seems to be somewhat of an even playing field if the if the new team the uh the underdogs are able to get their shit together i think they should i wish i could just yell at them through the screen

and be like hey tamra fine she is an adversary that is worth all of this planning do not worry about gina and emily coming after you because they suck I would agree. You don't have to worry about their opinion. They're going to shout it louder. They're going to come at you from every angle. You do not have to worry about them. One, they don't have fan support.

I have not seen a fan that's like, oh, my God, Emily's so great for the show. Or Gina's so great. Everybody seems to be on the same side of, yeah, they can go. Or get them out of here. That's pretty much all it is. So I wish that we could tell in real time, hey, Katie, Jen, you know, Gretchen's got her own agenda. Don't worry about the other two because they're losing. losers and we don't like them.

We like Jen, still unsure about Katie, but you've got a much better footing than the rest of them do. And it's funny, because if you go back, when we started watching OC three years ago, yeah, because that was the hate watch season. Yeah. Oh, boy. Gina has been in the comments frequently of people saying, like, get her off the shell, get her off the show.

That's been a recurring theme with her that she just doesn't fit. So I agree with you. I think that the best route forward is to get together. because you're not going up against all three. You're going up against Tamara. And she is formidable. She's very formidable. I love how much of a non-factor Heather is, too.

Like, Heather's... Heather could be both. I don't really know. She just kind of floats around. She gave a shit. She'd be really tough. She should be, honestly... On Beverly Hills.

She should be on Beverly Hills, but she should more so be, like, an ultimate friend of, like a Cynthia Bailey. Yeah. Just put her in that role, because she seems to get along with everybody for the most part, maybe not Katie, but that doesn't matter. She seems to get along with everybody, and she can kind of float back and forth and give

advice. And she's got a great lifestyle. I agree. I love seeing the wealth. I agree. But on the one side, you have Katie, Jen, Ryan, and Matt. And that's Gretchen joins them later. I like the one callback to last season of, you know, Matt was hesitant to get close to Ryan because obviously he works for the golf network. And amidst a sports gambling fiasco, didn't want to get.

get close to he hid at a party for three hours to avoid him yeah love that callback that was great and they're talking about the golden door and again matt i really like matt he's a very normal seeming guy but it's really funny to hear him talk about the situation because he's like who are these people they can they can sit in this moral tower of judgment it's like oh welcome to bravo sir this is everybody on the show on the flip side he got tamra and heather and they're talking about Gretchen coming back to the show and Heather's known Gretchen just as long as she's known Tamara. So it's also interesting to hear how she describes their friendship because it's very

intentional that she says, we see each other socially, clarifying social friend, not a friend social friend. Normally that wouldn't matter, but when you're in like the high society, I think that that's a pretty important distinction. Yeah, versus, you know, getting in someone's bed with champagne. yes and spilling it everywhere as we know heather tends to do that but i don't like the digs at appearances i never will i think it's it's it's locked low hanging fruit and she's like you know hasn't changed it all anybody out there who's like oh she's going to therapy she's better at yourself this is who

she is why are we pulling up pictures of jen from years ago when she still looked great by the way oh later i i couldn't this is the nose comment does she have a nose because i saw it's all blurry her nose, blah, blah, blah. So we have multiple instances of body shaming. We'll get to the Jen stuff later, which is hammered with her new chomper's thinking she's better of their body. Unbelievable, right? But Gretchen arrives at the other house, and I guess her and Katie have a relationship already. Jen and her have a relation. I love this move, and this is a veteran move. This is garnering support for the cause, because obviously Jen went through a lot last season, and it was ridiculous to watch. She reached out to Gretchen.

Yeah, said, hey, pretty much Tamara SOS and Gretchen goes on confessional. And she's like, if I got paid every time that I got somebody, a new housewife, reaching out to me, how do you deal with Tamara? I'd be very wealthy. Yeah. Wealthier, I guess. Wealthier, yeah. Still, I believe that. I do, too.

Yeah. For all the things that she's gone through in her tenure, while she was on OC with Tamara. She was going up against Tamara and Vicky, though, so that's just a losing battle. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, you're not going to win that one. but I do believe her. I do think that people are probably reaching out to her. And we're just talking about DMs

and social media constantly in this show now, huh? I know, which is, again, a dangerous game to play. But I like that she's getting chickens. I, too, I'm planning on getting chicken soon. Apologized to all my neighbors in advance if you're listening. I don't think anybody in my neighborhood listens. Yeah. I haven't gotten that one yet.

Probably not. Yeah. Also, are they that loud chickens? No. Yeah. If you have a rooster, yeah. Because then they do their cock-a-do-doo in the morning. But no, chickens are just kind of cluck around all day.

But I really like that Jen is, she is steadfast in this double standard. She's calling out this double standard that Katie's getting held to a completely different standard than the rest of the group. And I agree with that. I think it's weird to watch, actually, when you see what she's being held accountable for versus what everyone else is being held accountable for. So I'm glad that she's stuck on that. And I hope that she continues to double, triple, quadruple down because until I get an answer for why, you're not going to get an answer for what no even through the myth like through all of this and whatever gen might be able to accomplish in all of this we're never going to get an answer for that that's just uh it's really for like if that wasn't in play it's a very different show absolutely it changes everything if we and obviously we know that hypocrisy is rampant on on bravo and all reality tv for that matter but when it's this blatant and this in your your face. And there's instances where

the groups together, somebody brings up something that's worse than what Katie did, but we don't get into it. We sidestep it and point it back at Katie. It's very strange. It's a very strange group. But this is when we start body shaming even worse. Yeah, this is bullshit. It is fucking insane.

And this is proof positive. Once again, Tamara's the same exact person. And I knew she was going to do this all season two. Because she's now in therapy, she's going to bring up therapy. And She's going to bring up therapy. She's going to bring up all the therapy words, all the hit words that you get.

She's the same. Oh, I don't know if I, yeah, I'm going to say it. I don't fucking care. She's the same as Jacks. She is the exact same as Jacks. She goes to therapy. She goes to a facility or whatever for a week, gets a couple of new words and then uses that or finds out, hey, anger's not your problem, Tamara.

You're an asshole. Okay. I'm an asshole. How can I make this benefit me? That's all she does. She does the exact same thing, and it's just, it's ludicrous that anybody would have thought. And I really don't think because, and you say there's multiple comments about people defending Tamara, or saying that we're hating on Tamara.

I just don't believe it. I don't know how anyone can watch this show. Maybe you enjoy her because she's so ridiculous. That's fine. She's not a good person. No. By far in a way, not a good person. A lot of the housewives aren't really great people, but she is one of the worst, by far one of the worst.

So I just don't understand how anybody can sit there and say that. because now, of course, yes, she's going to sit there and talk about that. And worse of all, or worst of all, people are going to come over and compliment her on going to therapy. They're going to talk about, oh, my God, you went to therapy. That's so good. How's it going? Do you feel better? And she's going to lie through her teeth, through her new teeth that I just can't get my eyes off of.

I just don't understand it. Like, you order two big teeth for your mouth. That's what happens. That's what a lot of people do with the veneers, though. It's a thing. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. But watching her, because originally she says that,

Jen reached out to people that don't like me because she's so insecure, which is a weird way to say it. She said that she bought a house two doors down for me. She put my old hair extensions in her head. No shot. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe it was the same brand and the same number. Yeah.

I think that's how they do it. I don't really know. Probably, yeah. Maybe. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to ask you again. What? What was the number?

Oh, oh, in, 631, 617? Oh, 617 sounds close. 617 or 613, maybe one of those. Whatever it was, I think it was the Detroit area code because that's what you got stuck on. Okay, so, yeah, and that was the Karen Huger blonde. Yeah. Yes.

Oh, man, I need to remember. I thought it was four. Oh, boy. Oh, no. Oh, boy, we're way. Yeah, let's just move on. Let's just keep going. Light around.

Nothing ever happened. The fact that she brings up her looks and says, she was heavy. Are you kidding me with that shit? She shows a picture. She says bigger too. Bigger and heavy. Bigger and heavy. And they show a picture on her phone of Jen, who looks great in the picture, by

the way. And this is jealousy. This is insecurity and jealousy coming through because Jen looks fantastic. She looked great in the picture as well, by the way. And she looks fantastic now as well. Tamara hates that. Tamara absolutely hates that. Tamara goes her hot dog lips. Just leave her alone, dude. I'm so sick. Like, it's such an

easy way to bash somebody is to go for their looks. It's not clever. It's lazy and it's rude. It's so rude. Let's just do this now since it's open. Over the years, we've seen Tamara have some crazy looks. Sure. Not to mention the time that she had the face peel thing and she decided to go online and that was a good time to say, hey, everybody stop being mean to me. I'm going through some shit. You're getting fucking face peel. Chemical peel. You're getting things done to look better in your own eyes so that you can finally do the you don't go after jen doesn't make sense like what you what you choose to do with yourself is your business entirely i'm not here to tell people what to do what to get what not to get yeah we've got gretchen over here saying that she hasn't had any work done

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Gretchen clearly came with receipts this season because she's listing off very specific moments, which if you're going to go after Tamara, you need to have your ducks in a row because she's going to play the game of trying to throw you all. off trying to confuse you, get to, like that, and she's really good at it. And I'll give her credit for that. Like,

she's good at rattling people in the midst of it. She's very good at rattling people. And it's infuriating for us to watch because that person can make a great point. And they just doesn't matter. And I love everybody else on the show. And Katie, I'm going to use it as an example because she's low hanging fruit right now. No one else is allowed to move on.

No. But the seconds that you bring something up to Tamara and granted, yeah, it's 11, 12 years ago, whatever it is, she will say, oh, we can't move on from that.

we don't move on from anything on this show no never move on from anything anything can get brought back up anything is just easy to easily accessible like hey let's bring this thing up that happened three four years ago as an example for why you haven't changed yep we can't do that with tamara because we've moved on well that's the minute that you challenge her she goes you're right let's move on she does it this episode with gretchen at the end yeah and this is when i get frustrated that i haven't seen more of this early on because i don't fully get the reference i know i remember Slade is a deadbeat, dad. I heard that one.

Okay. Yeah, I've heard that one. I'm not here defending Slade by any means. I'm more talking about the tit for tat of it all where Tam, and I remember when this dropped, actually, two years ago when she went on two T's and was talking about after his son had passed away, she decided to take some shots at him and the financial situation, whatever it might be. I'm not here to say what was going on. I don't know. I do know that's not the time nor the place. to go on your platform and start talking about it when somebody just died i think she did that if

my memory serves me correctly i believe she did that and then for a little while they turned their comments off yeah something i don't know we're blocked now so we can't check yeah we can't check any of those things um but yeah no she definitely did something along those lines don't remember if it was slayed sun or not but right around that time she turned all of her comments off except for people that they followed back yeah correct so It was a very calculated move. The point of that whole conversation is to reference Gretchen had also lost her ex-fiance, I guess, to cancer as well. So there's a lot going on, and she's simply asking, where was my? Tamara always asked for grace, where was mine during these times?

Yeah. I think that's fair. There was no grace. No, there never will be. And these juxtaposed scenes finally wrap up with Tamara making a claim that Gretchen had reached out to her daughter, Sydney. and if everybody remembers, Sidney went on Facebook and made a very long post

talking shit about Tamara because she had asked explicitly not to be involved in the show. Tamara can't help herself, kept getting her involved in the show, so she went on social media to defend herself, wrote out this whole thing

about why it made her upset, why she doesn't want to be involved with it, so on and so forth. And I remember when this happened as well because it became a whole big thing, Gretchen went on and commented on it and said a lot in there, calling her mom,

manipulative and all of that, but she commented on it. So that was a whole thing, and Tamara's saying that she contacted my daughter about me. So that sets the stage for what's going to happen later. At least one of them can contact her daughter. Hey-oh. But she ends the scene, and she does this frequently. She's a known liar and manipulator. Talking about Gretchen. That's Tamara talking about Gretchen. Let me go find. But let's get to the hot pot. Let's get to the hot pot. Let's get to the hot pot. Before we get there, I do need to point out Gina and Travis. And I guess Katie is the reason that Gina has problems. According to all of Gina's problems, it's no longer Travis's crazy X. Nope. It's Katie. It's Katie. Now it's Katie. How? What is she losing sleep? She just doesn't feel

good. There's just so much going on. Gina's not involved in this. What did Katie do that would cause you to lose sleep over? I just thought I. And look, I'm not to say. is she feels, which I don't believe for a second, because nobody gives a shit. And if anybody felt this way, they would have turned to Gina and said, you brought her into the group. This is your fault. This has never happened. This hasn't happened since day one when you brought her into the group. You were so worried about this last year, about her going over and telling someone that Heather, she, you know, for sure staged those photos. You were worried about it getting back to you. At the time, I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. But Gina is such a non-factor.

that she's so easy to just write off that it's like, okay, we're just focusing on Katie because Katie's in front of us. We're not going to turn to you and say you brought her into the group. You're not a big enough player. If Shannon had brought somebody into the group and this happens, they would turn to Shannon immediately

and say, what are you kidding me? You brought this into the group. No one's going to do that to you because they don't care. Yeah, I agree. It's honestly, it's almost sad. Sometimes I do get sad with Gina. Not sad for Gina, but sad watching Gina. Yeah.

Like, no one really likes you. And, like, I had moments over the past, couple years where I did like her and I was like you know I feel for Gina because even when I was enjoying her she still catches so much shit in the comments and I was like she's not that bad she's whatever this season she's it started it all started with that coffee shop date with Jen last year and ever since then she's she's been I don't know she just keeps going after people and it's almost like she she just did nothing for a while and everyone's like why is this woman on the show she's not rich she's got no interesting storylines who the

hell is her boyfriend, husband, whoever the hell this guy is. I don't know what the hell's going on with her. And she didn't do anything. She just had no storylines. It's like, all right, why is she here? She's just a friend of, what's up? Then I guess she's just got a kick in the ass. Like, oh, I need to do something. Everything you've done since you turned that switch is awful. It's just stupid and annoying. And I just don't, I can't fathom what Katie's done to, to cause these kinds of reactions. Also, if your friend Katie that you brought into, of the group did something, why have we not seen a normal friend sit down conversation?

Oh, no. Like, if this is truly your friend and you feel so bad that you brought her into the group because she's creating a rift between everyone and what she did, you already picked Emily. You don't get to then sit here and say, I feel so bad, and I don't know what to do because I brought her into the group. You've made your decision. Katie's not even her friend anymore.

No, but that's a great point. At what point were you going to sit down with your friend and say, whoa, you're moving way too quick in here. You're moving way too sloppy you got to clean it we haven't seen like the only thing we saw was her sit down with katie last year and say you need to tell heather because it's going to get out and then when it got out you just completely axed her and you acted like she was in the wrong for telling heather when you

were the one that told her to get ahead of it you told her that she had to tell her oh that's very confusing but let's get to the hot pot itself and emily arrives first of course it's just awkward as hell and then the whole rest of the group piles in and it's going to be fun to watch gretchen calling out all of the moves that Tamara makes. And I like that she's highlighting it. I like it even more that production multiple times is coming with receipts after she makes a claim. It's like, boop, boop, boop, boop.

Here's all the times that it happened. And Tamara's very nice to her when she gets in. She's like, oh, like, let me reintroduce my Tamara, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she goes, yep, here we go. 12 years since seeing Tamara. And we're going to start out with like these niceties. She's going to act like nothing happened. Make a joke and just act like nothing happened.

Get everyone to laugh, ha, ha, ha, ha. And she's going to try to move on from everything. And she calls it perfectly. and these are comments that this drives me nuts because Emily had met Gretchen and I guess they had a little bit of a friendship in there at some point and then Tamara hated that caused a huge divide between her and Emily so Emily's response is not going to make that mistake again it's like or just hear me out or Gretchen comes back in the group and you see how what goes? Or grow some fucking balls and do what Heather did. I'm still friends with Gretchen

socially. Whatever. She says that straight up to Tamara and Tamara doesn't get mad at Heather. She doesn't try to go back after Heather. If it was you, yeah, she might go after you, but you're so worried about being in the good graces of Tamara that you just completely cut off a potential friendship because you're afraid of Tamara. Yeah. That's what I get from it. You're a big pussy. Tired shooter pulls no punches. I also just despise Emily. I think she sucks. Well, that's fair but Katie for the umpteenth time but I think this is the first time she's addressed the entire group and saying look

I want a fresh start I have a lot of regret for the things that happened last season I want to clean the slate and move forward Gina who somehow become the spokesperson for the afflicted in this situation according to her she's like I you know I appreciate you have regret like good for you don't you know I do not I will not And I cannot understand her accent. No. I don't know if it's Midwest, if it's New York, if it's Long Island, I don't know.

One of those things that it takes me so long, like if you ask me in episode 25 of this season, which I'm sure there will be, I will just immediately be like, oh, yeah, Gina's accent, whatever. Every start of the season, it takes me so long. I'm always, like, caught off guard, like, what the fuck was that? Why is there just one random word? You're from New York. I don't know. She's from New York. You're not even from, like, one of the states that's up near Canada.

We're kind of here, like, an A at some point. Yeah, it baffles me every time. Like Travis has balls, eh? And I got a bone to pick with production. Katie went to Tamras to explain this whole situation, and we didn't get a camera at Tamras watching her explain this situation? You know, the producer is the show, right? If it's fucking Jeremiah.

It's not Jeremiah. It's Baskin? Uh-huh. There you go. How do you miss on these? I just don't know. How do you not put that in the show? Oh, I don't know.

I was confused, honestly, when this started. And, like, I knew that that had happened because somebody said something earlier about it. I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. When Tamara started talking, I thought the blogger came over. Oh, really? Like, no fucking way. Are you kidding me? I would actually respect that move.

After all of this, like, that's, you know, Doty flying somebody from Miami out here to prove. Like, that is that level of, like, the way. Doty's finally vindicated after Standoval that that was legit. Oh, yeah. She caught a lot of shit for that for a while. But, like, I was in, I'm in the same ballpark as you. I would have actually weirdly respected it as a bizarre reality TV moon. I have this blogger from God knows where coming over to my house to come hang out and talk about all the shit that happens.

No, it was Katie coming over on the podcast. I didn't know if she was. Wait, was it on the podcast? I think she was in the stew. In the stew. I was going to say studio. I go to short, I think she's in the stew, woo. But I don't think she was live on the podcast.

Yeah, she didn't have a microphone and nobody had headphones on, so probably not. But it looked like she was on the podcast talking about this. I'm like, I don't think you can do that. Maybe they, all right, huh? Let's just figure this whole thing out. Ruminate. Tamara probably badly wanted Katie on the podcast to talk about this, but it's season information that hasn't been released yet. So maybe she couldn't have her on the podcast legally.

What would that have to do with her being in the stew to have this conversation? They probably sat down and they're like, like, hey, let's call Alex Baskin and see if we can do this. And they're like, no, it's part of the season. Interesting. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm glad that's what you got stuck on. Oh, yeah, dude. I get stuck on random. She liked this all the time. I was very

confused at first, just thinking the blogger was there. And then I was like, oh, it was Katie. It was Katie. This is a whole conversation about all of these things that now we're talking about. But don't worry, and this is why the whole reason the Tamara does this is, one, she's still head of the group. Two, she gets to have the whole

conversation so she can get their little nuggets of information here or there that she can spread about later and three this whole storyline is coming to a close at some point it's got too soon and i've already got something in the chamber about you that i've already spread to someone else that they're going to bring up in a second so now you're just going to be in another world of hurt that you don't see coming but we're good here this one's this one's over we're good it's just weird yeah like i don't know why they wouldn't allow us to see that conversation to get both sides and draw conclusions from that instead it's going to be she said she said about a conversation that we get you know 45 seconds to two minutes of katie

looking at her phone saying there's no i got no service here i can't look at the dms but then they talked about it in person yeah and we don't get to see that that makes no sense to me but also with tamara why are we not talking and whatever yeah we could do this all day but jean is like what started out as i appreciate you taking accountability i appreciate that you have regret she starts to get ramped up like more and more and then she starts yelling at shannon for defending Katie. And any time you have to say the line... She didn't defend Katie either.

She just said stop ganging up on people. She was defending the integrity of the group. That's why this group is so ass backwards. You just want everybody to sit there and watch. Yeah. And if they get a little uncomfortable, like, hey, all right, let's put a pin in it. I don't like gang ups.

You're defending. It's like, no. She's just saying like one-on-one, two-on-one. She probably doesn't want you guys fighting at the golden door. Yeah, that's not the place. She spends... 30 grand a year to stay there for a collective eight days. She's going to get her name on the wall. No one

needs to talk about this right now. You're going to get her name on the golden door. On the golden door. Oh, damn it? Yeah. Uh, but I will... Do you know? Maybe. I don't know. Is that therapeutic? They might. It's a new treatment that we've just devised. We're like five years away from that. Oh, with all the weird shit coming out.

See in L.A. Those shows. The fitness industry, quote, unquote, in the wellness and they come up with wacky shit. Like, oh, in the valley. fucking Sheena got salmon sperm on her face it was a salmon semen facial yeah they talked about that sheena would fall for that shit I just I can't imagine

like John there hasn't looked at me once I've gone to all of his shows in the front row I even I was at one of his orgies I swear to God guys salmon salmon salmon tighten up the face a little bit yeah so I don't know if they have golden showers

the golden door to answer your question I don't think so but yeah yet give a time but anytime you have to say the line we're not bullies we weren't bullying her yes you were yeah you were so just leave that line out of it and take accountability for what was going on also by the way Shannon didn't come back to what you said and say hey you guys are a bunch of bullies no so you brought it up yeah and yeah you are guilty conscience i don't know but then she decides to let slip the fact that apparently last year during the

cover shoot for the season. So the timeline to me is somewhat important here just as far as moves being made. Shannon came in. She was hot. She started yelling. Caused a bit of a scene. Everybody heard it. Everybody saw it. She was pissed off that Alexis was there at the same time as her, taking pictures, which is somewhat understandable. I guess in the dressing room, Katie took a video, or Tamara claims that Katie took a video of her losing her shit. And sent it to Alexis. Katie denies this, and Tamara doubles down and says, you told me

that you did this. Now, when we get the explanation of what happened exactly, and this is the issue with Katie and the way that Katie moves, in my opinion, is that this doesn't really make it all that much better. Nope. Because in the midst of her losing her shit,

you decided to hang up a phone call, which you claim was with investors, which you change that story in a little bit. you decided to take a voice note of Shannon losing her shit and send it to Matt. Now, I don't know what is true in there. I don't believe a lot of it. And that's where this gets really hard.

I don't believe either that she sent it to Alexis. But the fact that you are taking videos or recording and sending it to other people is problematic, especially for somebody like Shannon, who a big part of her issues last season were the threats from Alexis having videos of her doing shit. Yep. Yeah. The way that I see it, the way that it probably unfolded was whether or not she was on the phone with investors, I really don't care. It's semantics. She could have been on the phone with Matt. She could have been on the phone with somebody else. Maybe she did have to hang up and she did one of those. This is what I'm dealing with right now. I can believe

that. I believe that. And I also don't think that's that crazy to send to your husband, to your wife, whoever is taking the video. It's probably not a video. It's probably just like, here's a little snippet of her just going off. And we've seen Shannon go off before, so it's pretty reasonable. Here you go. This is what I'm dealing with right now, so I can't get back on the phone. I'm getting ready. I thought I had some free time, blah, blah, blah, whatever. I think what probably happened after that, because we did see a lot of weird scenes where we didn't really understand why, but Jen and Katie were going over to Alexis and hanging out with her. It's because Alexis didn't have any friends. She probably in passing was talking about the photo shoot

and said, yeah, I was on the phone with Matt or I was on the phone with investors and this is what happened. I doubt that she even played the video for her. She was just like, Shannon was losing her shit because you were there at the same time. What do you want me to do? I even actually took a little voice note and sent it to Matt so that he knew what I was dealing with. They probably had a laugh about it. The mistakes in there are

why are you telling Tamara that you did this? Don't tell Tamara any information ever because she'll use it against you. And two, stick to your damn story. Exactly. Just apologize and be like, yeah, you know, in hindsight that's kind of fucked up that I did that while you were at a low point. I was just trying to actually show my husband,

like, hey, this is what I'm dealing with. I can't get back on the phone because he didn't believe me. Whatever you have to say, I don't care. Lie because on behalf of your husband, who cares? But she just gets caught in these lies and then turns and switches words around and switches stories around. It's like, you don't know what you're doing. I think she gets frazzled. Yeah.

And then she starts trying to explain her way out of it and in turn starts digging the hole deeper. Yeah. It's like it's harder to defend what she's doing. Yeah. And that's the thing. And that's what I kind of agree with. And I'm hoping we can get to a point just simply because of the rest of the group and what they've done in the past where we can move on from it like yeah she fucked up a lot

of things and yeah you know what shannon this is a new new nugget right here shannon's going to be pissed about it and that's the fallout that kd has to deal with and i think that that's valid but for the rest of the group and you get an inkling of it here because genus like you know we're not trying to hurt you like we're not trying to hurt you it's like are you're trying to also not trying to hurt you no she's trying to navigate being a housewife and she's not doing a good job. Right. And I think that her statement of,

I thought it was eat or be eaten because of when this all occurred, it was early on. I do believe that, that she's coming into the OG franchise. She was nervous. She thought that you have to come in, guns blazing or else they're going to,

well, it's like going into like, you know, the jail yard, you find the biggest gun and you knock them out so people don't fuck with you. So she went after Heather.

Right. So I think that she made a lot of missteps. I can see where she's coming from a little bit. It's almost impossible to defend now because of all the shit that she's done. And then when she tries to explain it, it's like, what are you saying right now? You're making this a lot worse. Just say, I'm so sorry.

I shouldn't have done that. I won't do it again. And this is what we said before. If she keeps doing the same thing over and over again, one, it's just not entertaining television. It's indefensible. It's indefensible. Exactly.

And where you are right now, Tamara can add those little extra lines in there that you sent it to Alexis because she knows one it's going to rile Shannon up she knows what's going to rile Shannon up she's been doing it for years and two everybody's going to just be focused on what's going on and you're going to be so caught off guard that she can add that little slip in like and you sent a video to Alexis about it that everybody's going to be so caught off guard and freaking out about that part that they're not really focusing on whoa what did you actually send it to Alexis and they're not going to believe you because you're already set up correct 100% correct Shannon excuses herself from the table and leaves.

She said, like, I'm processing this. I got to bounce. Protect your peace. Shannon, do what you got to do. She's livid at Katie. I think this is going to get a whole lot worse, especially the scenes from next week. It doesn't look great.

But Jen goes to bat once again and says, we said we were moving on. And why is Katie being held over the fire when no one else is? And that's when Emily decides to jump in. She did what no one else in the group has done. she gave info about my kids to bloggers absolutely insane ridiculous statement to make again that's where i get confused as to what we're arguing about what they're talking about it's like the things that she's done sure short-sighted annoying and dumb fine not the end of the world moments

but we're acting like she pulled a kenya more and posted pictures of people doing explicit acts like i don't understand where all the anger is coming from and gretchen jumps in and goes Well, timeout. Tamara did that to me. We get a clip. Useful information. Very useful information. And then Heather, thank you, Heather, jumps out and says, look, everyone has done things in this group that we all don't agree with. Yep.

Which we could all just, you know, look across the table, whoever sitting across the table nod your head and agree. Yep. Tamara goes, I haven't talked about you, Gretchen. Roll the tape. Yeah. We get the clip from the podcast. Like, yes, you have. And there's voice evidence of you on your.

on your platform. That doesn't make sense. Tamara says there isn't, so everybody's going to fall in line. I know, man. It's just, it's, and we already went over

what they were talking about back and forth, you know, with the Slade stuff, the Deadbeat Dad comments, which you're telling me he's a deadbeat dad. Yeah.

I believe you. I trust your judgment. And Gretchen throws out there, she is, she said it weird, but more or less called Tamara a liar. Yeah. Yeah.

Lyer and a manipulator, which is pretty much what Tamara says about other people too. Tamara says she's not a liar. oh yeah i'm not a liar at all not at all let's roll a montage or it's not as a montage there's two instances one was an actual lawsuit that was settled outside of court and the other was ryan threatening a lawsuit because she lied yep she went on watch what happens live she went on her stories with eddie when they were walking trying to act all happy and shit

apologizing once again you've been caught lying mults so this is when you know i get really frustrated with the defense of it anytime people defendant though like you're too hard on her blah blah blah it's like it's just the hypocrisy gets so aggravating it's hard not to like we have so much evidence video audio social media post of her lying getting caught in lies and backpedaling and then playing the victim that it's it just reaches a point where i can't not comment on yeah and i like how jen's trying to navigate this whole thing because she's trying to come to some kind of peace it doesn't mean friendship doesn't mean anything it means neutrality so we can move on

as a group and launch into some new storylines. So she tries to say like, you know, Tamara, you caused me a lot of pain, and Tamara rolls her eyes. And then points at Gretchen says, she contacted my daughter, which brings up the debate of the episode. Is commenting the same as contacting?

Nope. No. Public platform, public post, public comment. I would argue if it was a person that doesn't have a lot of followers and isn't on reality TV, if somebody commented on that and said something it's like yeah that's kind of making contact on a huge platform on a huge post that everybody was looking at commenting on that when other housewives from the franchise were also commenting on it correct that's not contacting i think the other part the funniest part

to me it's a post blasting you tamara it's like a nice i love my mom post it's a post saying you have overstepped for the last time and your daughter's done with it and done with you that's the post that she commented on. Yeah. That's a weird hill to die on. Yeah. That's bizarre. I'm surprised that Tamara didn't plan something out and say,

I'm still working on my relationship. We're actually getting further along. We're figuring things out, like, just lying again about all of that. We know. And it ends with, you know, Tamara and Gretchen. Apparently, they're going to sit down and try to figure this whole thing out because Tamara wants to move on. We can't hold on to things from the past.

I learned that in therapy. that'll kill you. It's like, I hope. And then for her to say, I, you know, I know that Gretchen's been going to therapy. I hope she's learned something. I's like, dude, like, you've been in therapy for maybe a few months at this juncture. Like, you can't speak as though you're a therapist. Yeah.

But let's get to some questions. I bet you Ryan's in there. Oh, I'm sure he is. From Evan Clark, do you think Gina and Emily bring much to Rossi still? No. They bring nothing. Nothing at all. If that wasn't clear from our episode.

Yeah. From Holy Bex Batman. Thoughts on Heather hitching her wagon to loser Tamara, odd pairing. It is. But I don't think. It doesn't feel hitched. It's not hitched at all. I think Heather's her own entity.

She just kind of floats around, does whatever she wants. She'll get activated by something. She likes Tamara. I think, and this, we have debated this in the past. I personally think that Tamara's been on reality TV for too long. and her personality is now reality TV camera. Yes, agreed. But maybe there are some instances of her not being a terrible person

and she actually is a little different on a camera. And maybe that's what Heather likes, because she does seem to like her. I will say this for Tamara. It does appear when you get those, like, happy scenes of her with, like, the other housewives or with friends or whatever. She seems to be a good time. It's when you get the group together or you piss her off

and she starts throwing stones in her glass house. But she's usually giggling with people. seem to enjoy her company. So, like, there's clearly some, we're not dumb. There's clearly something there that keeps people coming back to Tamara other than just fear of her lashing out. But with Heather, I don't, I don't think we can say she's hitched her wagon to anybody. She seems to be somewhat standalone. Now, if this goes south, that could change. But from where I sit, I don't see that. Yeah. Here's a little context for you from early OC from Susie B. 0302. I know you hate Tamara, but Gretchen and Slade sucks. Slade is

legit a debut dad, and that's why they never got married. Gretchen would have had to help pay child support. There you go. So, there's a little context for you. From Zoe Cudlow-Polet, Katie is too sloppy. She needs to take some housewife classes if she's going to succeed. Yes, yes. Well said.

Absolutely. Contingency plans. You always need contingency plans. From Sisiha. Do you think this is the last season? I know it's early, but. You sound like us two years ago. It's a little O.C. already, huh?

It's too early for those talks. From Christine B.B.8. Tamara bringing up old photos of Jen and fat-shaming her. Disgusting. Do we think that therapy is working? No. No. It's Jack's going to rehab. It's a fraud.

Oh, there's Ryan. I knew it. Ryan Stomann. Let's be real. It is the same thing. You don't contact people's children. Ryan. Ryan, we love you. see the world through Ryan's eyes.

My favorite thing from Ryan is after every O.C. episode of ours. He writes a long synopsis of why we're wrong. Oh, I know. There's a lot of working to it. Last one, I just sent back

Love You with Heart Hands. We do love you, Ryan. And we'll do one more here from Kit Kat underscore RV. Are you here for the Gretchen versus Tamer feud? Yeah. Right now, yeah. Yeah, I am. I hope it doesn't flop. I have high hopes for it. And again, it's just, it's something

that we've talked about for three years now. It's something that this show needs because it's getting stale, it's getting boring, it's old, it's played out. If somebody can go toe to toe with Tamara, create a little bit of drama and we do, you know, we know and we're keeping a close year to the ground, Tamara threatened to leave at some point. So hopefully something pans out. Early, by the way, that was early into filming. So hopefully it's because Gretchen's going after or Jen's going after her. Somebody needs to go after her because it's old and boring. We just need it to be a little

bit better. I'm not saying Tamara needs to go away and get off the show or anything. We just need somebody to go after her. We need her to understand to help people work. Yeah, because amidst all of our shit talking, we do try to drop in there multiple times. We get why she's here and we do think she's an integral part of the show. Doesn't mean we have to like her. Correct. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope, all good here. Let's our show. Bros. Got to go. Are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game, meticulously breaking down and explaining exactly why a film does or does not work? Well, good luck with the search. Because we're having fun here on Adam does movies. I talk to you

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