Bros & Shows - Hate Island: Chelley and Cierra's Stock PLUMMETS(Part 1 of 2) (Love Island ep 25-26 Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

THIS IS PART 1 OF A 2 PART EPISODE! What's up Bros? This recap is WILD. The most recent episodes of Love Island have gotten this show back on track. Episode 25 showed a lot of people exploring connections, Nic and Cierra closing off (FINALLY). Ace and Chelley are still not seeing eye to eye after the Heart Rate challenge. Huda and Chris make an unlikely connection that they both want to explore further. Olandria is still reeling from the Taylor of it all as he gets closer and closer with Clarke. Elan is still set on Cierra despite all of the signs that it's time to move on. Amaya Papaya and Zak cool off. It's the calm before the storm of episode 26 when the Villa Stands on Business and EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED! Allegiances are different, rankings are turned on their heads as Chelley and Cierra's stock plummets. Even Olandria took a big step back because of her diming out Huda. The Taylor crash out felt like it was warranted and a long time coming, so no shade there. The Huda witch hunt was hard to watch and we aren't even big Huda fans! This episode may have saved the season, but at the cost of a lot of favorites tanking in the ranking. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Once again, what's up, dude? God, we are so back. We were so just teetering on the edge for so long of, is this season even going to deliver? And we were questioning the producers. We didn't know what the hell they were doing. They kept changing the games. Everything was different from the last couple of seasons. They had to do things.

The cast kind of forced their hand. Boy, did they deliver. And look, I mean, the cast delivered, too, because they didn't have to. to write these questions in in episode 26 or 27 wherever the hell we are that was 26 this is 25 and 26 aka sund or sorry Monday and Tuesday yep Monday and Tuesday it is uh Wednesday episodes are my favorite because we only have to break down two episodes and we don't have to worry about having this come out the next day when everything changes because boy oh boy do the rankings do our thoughts to the cast members they seem to change episode to episode so this gives us a chance to

But, you know, be current and be correct. Well, that's the funniest thing. It's like we, obviously with our recording schedule of everything that we're covering via Bravo, this, that, the other. We try to get these out as soon as we can to stay on track because we know if you fall behind too far, it's irrelevant. So we're at most an episode behind sometimes as far as like dropping them. People in the comments are, you guys, this is like, you need to do these faster, get these out fast. It's like, what do you want? we're trying we're trying our best here they want us up at like recording 10 30 p m eastern time

as soon as it's until like and by the way these episodes tend to be like an hour and 20 minutes anyway so you want us up until midnight you want us cutting these episodes editing things getting the back out in the morning like that's how it would have to be for us to stay you know current let's just focus on the good all right look i know it's it's just as weird though because love island is also behind I mean, I don't know if you saw, because I made sure that you were voting last night, I don't know if you saw, they rolled out a poll of 10 different answers and it took, it was like homework. It was like 45 minutes of work where you had to vote for like the number one person that you would trust with a secret versus the number 10 person,

but you had to rank all 10. It was insane. It was unbelievable how long it took to get through with all of that. And even then, it's like, wait a minute, you had us vote on these things and then you dropped that episode last night. Which changes your feelings on every single person in the bill. I'm talking from fucking Allandria all the way down to Brian. Everybody has changed. There are new favorites.

I mean, my favorites are still the same. I don't know what you voted. But last night, I voted Pepe and Amaya, my number ones. Pepe's been my dude since day one. And I had to put up with some people making fun of his hair. I had to put up with some people questioning his intentions. And I said, day one, I was like, I think this guy's legit. He seems like a solid dude.

dude, look who's right. That just, I just realized how bad of a place you're in now for the other part of your theory. For Talandria, don't worry. Don't worry. I have no idea how you're going to spit it. You know I can spin anything. I just need, like, it's important to me, and that's why when we break these down, I do do

it from a logical standpoint. So I do do, I do because I don't want anybody thinking that, like, one, I'm an idiot. And two, that I'm aware of everything that's going on. One or both of them will be outside of the villa. And you'll be like, we'll just have to see what happens in real life, guys. Yeah, well, real life. Look, we're going to get to that. I don't want to spoil my Talandria, my ever-evolving theory as Taylor continues to just try to throw

wrenches into this thing, to test Alandria's love to see if that she really, really loves him is what he's kind of doing right now. But I'll save it for the end, as I always do, my tailandria theories, because we have so much more to talk about. And I'm so glad that we're only doing two episodes right now because of the death. It's just easier. Yeah. And like, we have to dive into these ones like deeply. Well, it's good to the way that they've rolled them out because obviously, you can say that episode 25 was more of just like a filler episode.

But it was really just kind of breaking down everything that happened after the heart rate challenge, where everybody stood and obviously exploring the new couples. And in episode 25, you don't get to see, you know, how Pepe and Grayson are moving or Greckon, as I like to call her. You don't really get to see, release the Grecken. You don't get to see how, you know, Brian is moving. You know, you get that little comment about how him and Andrina really just aren't seeing eye to eye because he just says, you know, the conversation is just kind of stalled out, which happens. That's like, that's a normal problem in real dating, which just gets so overlooked in this show because we all want the drama. we all want people flip flopping going from person to person exploring different connections when somebody like brian steps up who seems to have like nothing going at this point we're

not really seeing a lot and he says yeah you know things with me and and dandrina kind of stalled out i get that i understand that that makes sense to me there's no depth there okay move on see what you can find somewhere else makes sense to me you go online and people are like could you believe that a guy like brian is looking at andrina and saying that there's nothing there It's like, that's not what he said. He said that they were conversating and there was nothing there. So, yeah, I don't really understand what people on Twitter just drive me insane. And the fact that they're still, after this episode, people are still looking like,

I know who my number one is and it's Shelly? Like, what are we doing? How? Did we watch the same thing? This was the most groundbreaking episode that I've seen all season. Yeah, it was a lot of falls from Grace simultaneously. I have to answer that one, though. That shit drives me nuts, dude, because.

what brian's doing is looking for depth right he's looking for a connection with somebody that is deeper than their looks but people online love to look at the two of them and go this guy's going to turn her down it's like yeah because maybe they don't vibe it's not all about looks people and that's it drives me even crazier because so many people stand on a soapbox of looks shouldn't matter it's all about connection it's all about whatever you guys have in common this that the other thing. But the minute that somebody may not be into somebody, then now you bring the looks back into it. This guy's going to turn her down. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what happened to making the connection outside of the looks? You know what I mean? And honestly, and the other people

who are saying, like, we don't really know what's going on. I'll tell you one thing. If there was anything there, if there was a good, deep, decent conversation, Love Island would show us. They would show us the conversation. They'd put this beautiful melody on top of it of some cover of a song from the 70s sung by Billy Eilish now or whatever it might be. They would give us that. They would show us that. They have the best music in the game by far. They would show us a breakdown of a good conversation that seems deep to show us how deep their connection is.

Yeah, I know that they're going to really kind of shade towards what's going on with Shelley and Huda after the Heart Rate Challenge. Yeah, they're going to show us more of Nick and Sierra after everything that's going on there. But if there was any depth there, they would still make it a point to show us. And if they're not showing us that, then I tend to agree with Brian. There's nothing really there. And I don't know, you know, it could be Brian's fault. Who the hell knows? But the fact that he's saying, yeah, you know, talks just kind of stalled out.

Okay. Makes sense to me. Move on. That's how dating works. It could also be nobody's fault, by the way. It could just be they hit a bump in the road and they go in the separate ways. And here's the other part. I didn't realize I was going to rant this much this early.

Ran it up. People are pissed off online because, nobody's exploring because this is a quote unquote boring season of love island then when people explore you call them scumbags for not getting with the girl that you wanted them to get with that makes no sense to me pick a lane pick a lane i don't i just i don't get it and that's that like ace shelly alandria sierra fucking everybody on that side of the of the road that's their agenda that's their propaganda i just i'm not buying into it i i just don't understand it like we've been calling them hypocrites the entire time they they've shown their colors i wish

that they got called out a little bit more in that game but they've shown their colors of where they are their true colors are it's okay for me to be completely coupled up it's okay for me to be closed off but god forbid if you do and we'll get way more into that because i've got more questions that i got answers when i'm team casa now i'm 100% oh dude big time team casa to get the ogs out of there the Team Pasta seems like they've got such a better connection. And they're actually understanding, you know, except for Zach with a K, he can fucking kick rocks. How dare he?

You can suck a butt. That guy's a loser. I told you I didn't like him. You didn't either. We both had our. I, I, I,

yeah, we, I think you definitely didn't like him. I saw that it looked like he was treating a mile a little bit better. But as you can see, it was more just, uh, I just felt,

holy shit, dude. Yeah, and he was. It definitely was. But, we'll wait on that. Well, we'll get through episode 25 for,

first because we do have the fallout from the heart rate challenge. And as we know, Shelly and a couple of the girls took offense to what Huda was doing. So we have to see where everybody stands. You know, we get the conversation towards the end of episode 24, where Huda is just trying to understand because she seems like she's confused. It was just a challenge.

She's been told it was just a challenge. Then when she does it, all of a sudden it's not a challenge anymore. You got to stay away from my man. And there's boundaries, which we already talked about. But she's trying to just understand where everybody's coming from. And I actually felt bad for Huda when she's walking around the house.

I'm team Huda after these two episodes, which is nuts. It's absolutely nuts. And I agree. And I think like the other part of it is, and I'll acknowledge that, is multiple people in this house have said that was over the line. She's acknowledging that it was over the line. So in my head, I'm like, all right, we could acknowledge that maybe it was a step too far. But does it warrant the reaction that she got from it?

I don't think so. I really don't think so. And honestly, I know, you know, we didn't get. to see everything my imagination is running i imagine that she just sat on ace's face that's probably what happened i think that's kind of where we were going and yeah i agree that is it's a bit far for you know we don't want to watch that and we didn't have to watch that so we don't really have to worry about it too much it is a bit too far if she wants to apologize and say look yeah i took a little too far i went a little too far but the way that shelly and alandria and sierra are acting it's like

she just murdered somebody right in front of their face like that was i i get it Like if you want to be shocked, shocked and appalled, you want to be like, whoa, what the fuck? Like, you know, we make out with the guy, but don't sit on his face. Fine. Okay. If Huda wants to say, look, I took it a little too far. I'm sorry. That's where it should end.

I should be enough. It should be enough based on, you know, what we've seen from all of these girls and everything that's been happening. That should be enough for an apology. But it's not for whatever reason. And there's more layers than I thought because now we're going to bring Chris and Shelley and all of that shit into this. We'll save all of that. that for the game that we play at the end of episode 26 yeah and that's the thing watching hoodage just move around the villa she sits down next to elandria a landria basically just gets up and

moves like has just pays her dust and walks away that was the meanest part of the episode that was the meanest part of the episode and completely changed my opinion of elandria i will say i landria going off on taylor i'm i'm for that like i was i was team elandria for that i think that was I don't know. We'll get there. But with this, the hood is looking for something. She's looking for any kind of comfort in this house.

And I wish I could yell through the screen. Just go talk to Amaya. But she goes to Elandria. And she's like, am I a terrible person? I wouldn't say you're a terrible person. But it's like, what the fuck? This girl is like losing her shit. And at the very least, you'd be like, hey, it was too far.

They'll get over. Like anything else would have been. good but it just felt so kicking a horse while it's down like i don't know bro i thought the way that the whole villa handled this thing was atrocious other than the casa people who had just gotten there who must still understand what this game's about we had people in our comments because obviously we're both team hooda as far as that whole situation went yeah people trying to explain to us why she's not a girl's girl why not this why not that it's like look at the end of the day nobody's closed off okay and this is a game where you are meant to explore connections

that's what she was doing and she also wasn't exploring a connection with ace she went too far fine but she was 100% this is a challenge this is a challenge nobody thought she's trying to steal ace from shelly but then it comes down to respect it's like you want to talk about respect and you want to say you have to give it if you want to get it yeah look in the mirror oh save it I do hope that all the people that were commenting and not just the people that were commenting to us

but others the girl's girl thing enough just enough none of that explanation of Shelly yeah dude Amaya Huda even is a little bit more after that challenge

because she went through everything and then she got to sit there and still defended Elandria even though Elandri was going after her and she wasn't a girl's girl the real non-girls girls in the villa are the three that you guys want to put on this pedestal of Shelly Alandri and Sierra

they're not girls girls they care about themselves and they care about each other they're click anything extending past that nope they couldn't be bothered so yeah that that shit just fucking bothered me but yeah that was a little tough and then amaya coming over to try to console her a little bit and ends up spilling on her that was like god damn and she genuinely felt bad and hood is just like spiraling and we've seen hood a spiral before this is not the normal she's crashing out and everybody's like dude stop this is like no i get it i fully understand like you try to go pull shelly for a chat shelly walks all the way over there with you and then can't be bothered you know what i can't do this right now if you had the conversation the next morning which she doesn't then okay then all right if you want to just take some time to collect your thoughts at least give her some reassurance like hey look i don't fucking hate you i'm just pissed at the situation something right fine just give her a little bit just a nugget of like Like, hey, don't spiral.

Don't freak out. I just, I'm in my feels right now. I need a minute. We'll talk tomorrow when I have a chance to kind of collect my thoughts. Let me go talk to my girls. Let me go talk to Ace. Whatever you got to do. I don't care what you have to do, Shelly.

But that's not the way to handle it. You don't walk all the way over there and then tell the girl, you know what? Not now. And don't give her any reassurance. That's just tough to watch. I just, yeah, God, that just pisses me off. Here, the most popular fiction podcast of all time, which the New York Times described as

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And don't forget to hit the follow button. Nothing pissed me off more and just relating that moment to, because it happens throughout this episode and the next episode. If you're going to have this energy for Huda, you better have the same energy for Ace. I don't know why he's getting off Scott Free if this is how you feel about the situation. he had a palm full of her ass and was bouncing her on top of himself. Yep. Where's that energy for him? And for you to have a conversation with Ace, pull him aside. Then you guys are sitting there chit chatting about everything that happened. And the first thing you say is like, you know, I'm mad at her. It's not really on you. And then he leans into it so hard. He's like, yeah, you know, I just didn't know what to do. Like, I thought that it was too far. But like, I just went along with it. I was like, oh, you cop out. Like that's such horseshit.

And Shelley's sitting there like, yeah, like, I can't believe that hooda would do that. of this, how to that. It's like, what about Ace? Where is the energy for these toxic dudes? Like, fucking bring that same shit to him. And I don't even think like, I think if she's going to be consistent, yes, do it to Ace too. If you're not going to be consistent, that's where I draw the line where I'm like, all right, come on. You do have to hold him accountable to if you're going to hold Huda accountable as much. So like, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense that she didn't do that. But if we're looking at it from a third party perspective, Hoda may have gone a little bit too, fine she doesn't deserve all this hate that's a challenge ace it's a challenge so like if you are going to be mad at hoda you should be mad at ace if you're not going to be mad at hoda it should be the same thing so i'm not even going to say that aces some toxic dude that has to do all of this

in this situation because at the end of the day it's just a challenge so it doesn't really matter that much but going more into the ace and shelly situation there's a lot more to break down when it comes to chris and shelley exploring her connection then shelly starts getting mad at ace and it's like okay you're starting to get mad at ace all right we understand that but you've got me sitting here agreeing with ace because ace is right if you're going to be out there doing this exploring chris doubling back in that challenge going back to him and then you're going to look at ace and be like i can't believe that you were party to that what do you mean it's the same thing you're out here exploring connections you're out here exploring connections with chris but you're not going to

now you're going to get mad at ace because he's making out with girls because he's having a good time he's enjoying the challenge but you're allowed to go double back that's a double standard i agree with ace you can't put these fucking boundaries on me and then lift the boundaries on yourself because you're exploring a connection yeah i mean i guess ace isn't exploring a connection with hoda but it's still fucking annoying and it is a double standard that you're going to hold him accountable for things that he's doing in a challenge but he can't question you going to explore things with chris especially when you're not even exploring things with chris you're just saying that you are but you're not actually making any fucking efforts, which, you know, that's, that's an end conversation of the

challenge, but you're not making any efforts towards Chris, but you still want Ace to sit and wait for you to explore the connection with Chris that you're not even exploring. So that is a double standard. So now I'm agreeing with Ace. This is where Shelly has me. You've got me agreeing with what Ace is talking about. That's insane. I agree. And I didn't ever think that I would be on this side of it. But to take it a step further, and that's why I jumped in there when you were going is it goes from Huda to you're making out with all of the women

there. It's like, what? And then she tries to say that her making out with Chris isn't as bad because they have a connection as it is for him to make out with everyone. I was like, that logic is so flawed. It means something

when you're making out with Chris. When he's doing the challenge with every girl there, that's irrelevant. There's no feelings involved. you have something with this other dude you put your leg up over the couch and put your crotch in his face and then made out with him and you're trying to say that that is not as bad as him doing the challenge with everybody so when she jumped from hooda being the problem to everybody being the problem yep that made it even worse i was like well at least with huda you could say she went too far but you're trying to say that you kissing a guy with you have a connection with isn't as bad it's like that yeah that's like that's like that's like that's like that's like It's actually worse. That's actually worse. I agree. The fact that everybody's just doing the challenge and making out with each other,

ACE is, you know, he's made out with and he is making out. He's doing the challenge. He's playing the game. That's what we're here for. But you're allowed to go genuinely explore a connection and make out with this guy. And again, we still have questions about that because you're not actually making an effort. You're just making out with the guy and doubling back that you do have a connection with that you're exploring.

I don't understand it. This should just be, if anything, it should be a situation where Shelly's like, Look, it's a fucking challenge. If you're going to do that with Hoda, you can't really get mad at me for doing this with Chris, fine. I'd be okay with that. But instead, you're standing up on your platform saying, oh, no, no, no, no. I've made it clear that I'm trying to explore a connection with Chris. So it's okay.

Like, no, it doesn't because now you're just pushing A's to the side and saying you've got to sit and wait until we can close off. Because I do have to make sure that there's nothing here. That's kind of fucked. You need to be one side or the other. You can't be down the middle and then hold yourself to a different standard. It just doesn't really make any sense. But let's move to the morning because we do find out that Sierra and Nick are going on a date. They're going on a little picnic date.

I'm so over them. I, dude, I'm fully over them. If they, I gave them a chance. If the episode prior, everything that happens with Casa Moore, then potentially, you know, Nick and Sierra, or Nick and Elandria potentially going home, if he then realized, you know what, I got to close this thing off and did it at the right time, I'd be okay. Yeah. I'd still, I'd look at them individually and say, what the fuck are we doing here with different things? But when it comes to their couple, I'd be like, okay, good. We're not going to deal with any of this.

But instead, we're sitting here with Nick getting pissed at Alon because he's going after Sierra. That was, I was, I think he took it a little too far, but I was okay with the premise. Like, yeah, it didn't make any sense that Alon turned around and said, now you have to watch me. That was the problem, right? Alon, the dudes, even the dudes there are like, that's what the fuck? Yeah. And they're like, you got to let the balls hang now, dude. I've come to love the Casa guys.

I mean, I already liked Chris, but Brian's just as good now. Yeah, Brian might be number two or number three in my book right now. So, yeah, the two of them going on a date, it's like, okay, we really have, like, this is prime time skip through. This episode is an hour and 20 minutes long. This is an easy 15 minutes to get through. And all that happens is they go for their little picnic. They talk about it. we know they're going to close off that's where we're heading it wasn't even that good it wasn't

that like oh great they're closed off it was like okay like you guys aren't even like really sierra's way clearly way more into nick than nick is into her he doesn't really want to close off but he doesn't really want to deal with the elan stuff anymore fine whatever i don't really care you can just leave me at that the big problem is that sierra sitting at the picnic blanket if you want to call it that says you're my person you're the only one that i want you're the only one that i have eyes for i want this to be real let's start thinking about outside of here let's close off yeah and like the way they talk to each other all they talk about is how much their connections growing they don't talk about like normal shit and like that's what i want to see and we might not be getting those

conversations like i will acknowledge that we don't get everybody maybe they are but like they always just constantly talk about how good they are, how strong they are. And like, she feels some type of way about the Elandria thing that comes up for two seconds and then it's gone. And I just, I don't know, dude, I've, I'm not totally out on Nick individually. I'm out on these two together. I'm way out on Sierra, especially after this last episode. But it's just boring. It is. No, it is really boring. And honestly, I agree with you. I don't think that maybe they are having conversations about like what they do on the outside what are they going to like we got into that with hood and jeremiah just because it was plain crazy with the two of them talking about

well hooda talking about them moving in together that was wild but when it comes down to those conversations we're already pretty bored with nick and sierra when they talk i don't think we need to get any more boring about what their outside lives look like but my big thing was them coming back to the villa to announce that they're closed off i think it's very funny that nick announces that he closed off and Alon is jumping up and down for joy it's like, okay. Alon, I wanted to just like drag by the ear and be like sit down. You look

like, you look ridiculous and the timing of that that he's sitting there talking to Brian about it. One, it's like bud, read the room. Read the room. The minute she got back to the villa, her and Nick were spinning in circles making out. Okay. There's no chance.

You have no shot here. And he's like, I just think that like if you look at her, like she still has eyes for me. And even Brian's like, can I be honest with you bro like I think you're a fucking idiot and at that moment that moment they walk back through the villa and they're like hey and he's like I'm not going to lie watching them walk back it was a was a punch in the gut it's like yeah guys talk that's 10 minutes it is the type of shit I guess like if you're going to go down that road and we saw you at the heart rate challenge where you're still going to be like you know I got to show sierra what she's missing out on

maybe she'll think about me a little bit more it's like she's not going to but like I understand that you have to do shit like that. You also have to do shit in the confessional where you talk about how it makes you feel to watch the two of them together. Fine, whatever. Let's just fucking move on. Now that they're closed off,

hopefully that is completely shut and closed and I don't want to deal with it anymore. Alon, I'm getting nothing from anyway. He can go. He needs to leave. But my big thing about them coming back is, Sierra sits down with the girls, and she says,

it was just so romantic. We will on this picnic date. And you know what he says to me? Everything that she said to him. Nick didn't say any of that. Nick just agreed with you. You said that Nick was telling you how he only has eyes for you, how you're the only person in the villa that he wants to be with.

That's what you said to Nick. Nick didn't say that. He didn't even reiterate it. He didn't repeat it back to you. All he said was, oh, no, I totally agree. Now you're trying to make it out.

What? He said, this is just like one percent of it. We can have like so many more percents. Dude loves percentages. If it's one thing about Nick, my guy loves percentages. he really does boy oh boy he's he must have just learned percentages before he came to the villain he's like wow so excited to show off this new skill it's like when you learn a new word

and you just kind of shove it in there yeah he's got a word of the day calendar except this time it was it's for dummies and it's percentages what does that mean math yeah right he's a fucking nurse too which is even funny you definitely know what percentages are i understand that much so i don't know why you're really harping on this one so yeah that that one kind of irritated me. I'm like, alright. Now you're trying to make it look like it's much more than it actually is, which is fucking hilarious. But really, after that, there's only two more things that we do need to discuss. And obviously, you know, Shelly and Huda, still not talking. Hood is giving Shelly her space saying, you know what? When she's ready to talk, I'll be here. But you can tell

internally, she's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Like, are we ever going to have this conversation? And lo and behold, it does set up perfectly for you guys to have that conversation in front of everybody and set it together, whatever. I don't really care. But the other problem is now we've got to check in on everybody else. Where is everybody else's head? What are we doing here? We know after the heart rate challenge, Andrina, and we talk to Brian. Brian's not really in on Andrina anymore.

Andrini's got eyes for Pepe. We saw at one point in time, Pepe's got some eyes for Andrina. Not anymore. My guy loves Hadda. Truly loves Hanna and he cannot get over it. I think really when it comes to that, he did really like Hanna and he wanted to like spend more time with her. I think what made it worse or better in his mind is the fact that their time was so short.

The fact that they got rid of Hanna instead of the other two, they took Hanna from him. And I think that made things a lot bigger in his head where he's not moving on. This is a man who was put into Love Island. Here's a guy. Now here's a guy. Patrick Mahomes now here's here's a guy he kind of looks like Patrick Mahomes honestly with the hair but when it comes to Pepe he is dead set on finding a connection you know he found a connection

it was Hannah Hannah was with Charlie but they moved on pretty quickly he still wants Hannah and I thought this was a good opportunity because we didn't see a whole lot of gracken when it comes to Pepe we're not seeing a lot of that maybe they're just boring conversations we find out there are no real conversations they're barely talking they're not really connecting at all so when it comes down to it we're like okay he's going to move on maybe andrina's the move for him all right i really like pepe so i'm going to support any decision he makes i didn't see this coming i really didn't see him curving just a full-blown curve like you know what i'm cool i i'm not i'm not that guy that's going to go exploring multiple different women i'm still kind of stuck on hannah i got to

give grace and a shot over here i can't really do this right now i'm not really interested wow big time lord she was floored and i was rooting for him i was so happy when he explained it maybe i'm blinded by pepe i don't know i think everyone's blinded by pepe i fucking hope so he's he's very clearly him and christ's number one number two guys in the group right now oh yeah i don't really see it changing anytime soon but i didn't see him curving or this hard i thought it was going to be a little bit more of a conversation maybe yeah you know we can explore a connection if the time shows nope not at all i'm not interested i'm just truly not interested in exploring a connection with you i got to give grace in a shot and that's a good move is fair you know it changes

and it's it's incredibly fair because in his mind he's still thinking about hannah he can't get over hannah but he still has a connection right in front of him that he hasn't yet explored because of hannah so at the very least he owes it who kind of looks like hannah at the very least he does have to give Grayson a shot in his mind. He's like, I got to move on past Hannah. Then I can go to Grayson. If that doesn't work, then I'll explore. Like, that's a good step by step process to have. It's very logical. It's very emotionally intelligent. He's not willing to just completely write her off because it's not working because he's still thinking about Hannah. It would just create the same problem. He'd still be with Andrina, but still be thinking about Hannah. So it's just not

the right time for him. I support every decision that he makes in this house. I love the guy. He's a very, very logical thinker. pragmatic approaches to things which we always appreciate and i don't know i like the way that he's moving throughout he's really respectful even with andrino when he shuts her down it wasn't like go fuck yourself it was like like you just explained yep i just need to see this one through because i haven't even given her a chance i can't possibly take on another connection right now but the one connection that i didn't expect to enjoy so much is hoda and chris oh my my god yeah we had we had questions we weren't sure we thought and you know there is a lot of

truth to this we thought it was it was colluding we thought that shelly and hoota had sat down and said look i'm going to go back with chris i guess but if there's a recoupling i'm going to go with ace and if we want chris to stay in the house hoota he's all yours but you know allow me to still explore that connection we thought that shelly was just calling the shots and hoota was like cool i'm all right with that because it at least assures me that i've got a couple and i can continue in the villa that makes sense to me that's what we all thought here would not be further off by the way hoode and chris actually have a connection i know i thought it was just chris saying yeah you know what i'll stay with hoota for now i'll explore with shelly maybe down the line we can flip flop do

whatever i don't really care what happens no they have a genuine connection he actually likes her and in this moment he says i tend to attract mentally unstable women yeah that was uh that was unfortunate timing she bit on that though she's like all right cool Like, that was good for her. And I thought that was funny. The only strike I will put on Huda for this conversation is when she's talking about Shelly, talking about all the people talking about things and what she was doing in the challenge. Do you think it would help if I were ugly?

Yeah. All right. All right. So let's give her a little leeway because of everything she's going through. And the thing that was like the most shocking to me with these two, actually, before I even say that, how they got to this point is because Chris, you could tell that his number one approach was Shelly. He made Shelly and Hooda pancakes, the pancakes strike again. He only gave hood of one pancake.

He gave Shelly two pancakes and flowers. So that hit her the wrong way. And she voiced her opinion about feeling like the side chick. Which some people could say is kind of her MO of like being too invested too early and like coming on too strong. but you have a guy in Chris who's very confident in himself he's he's able to hear that and not like panic about it he's like right i hear you and i i understand but because of his presence it almost like settled hooda down to her she didn't double down on this thing and like keep going that would have caused a big commotion yep so i think that their personalities weirdly

vibe together they do and when they were in the speakeasy like That was straight up cute. That was cute as shit. And she didn't use, she didn't use sexuality, which she has done in the past. Like, it was just actual talking, cute little moments. It was nice. It was interesting because I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop. You know what I mean?

Watching that conversation, it was, I was questioning a lot. You know, I thought maybe we were going to kind of show what our true motives were here. We were going to be able to see like, hey, you know, at the very least, I thought we were going to get a, you know i brought you back here for shelly but i'm interested in yeah and then it was going to be awkward because chris wasn't really into it like that's kind of where i thought this was going if it anywhere i thought we weren't really going to get anything instead it showed connection it showed that the two of them actually do like each other and they were both very intentional on their wording which you know we haven't seen a whole lot from hooda before you know i thought she was

going to try to manipulate the situation a little bit i think we didn't do any of that um and Chris, I thought, if anything, he was going to just agree to it just to stay in the villa. But instead, it was like, oh, looks like you guys actually drew some sort of connection throughout all of this fucking insanity. And now I think that even after the heart rate challenge, this kind of brought you guys closer together because you were both questioning, you know, Hooda doesn't really have any prospects anywhere else necessarily. So, you know, this is kind of one or done for her.

But when it comes to Chris, I thought maybe he was going to, all right, yeah, Shelley kind of doubled back to maybe there is something. than there instead he's like now i can kind of see the writing of a wall here this looks a little suspect and i think i'm out on shelly why why this is so important why did he take a step back from shelly because there was no energy in that direction i think this is so important to when we talk about it later when we finally get to the end of this well do you think do you think making breakfast every morning for somebody no i think that's bare minimum do you think there's more i think i because i don't think i've seen him do a whole like i i i don't think i've seen him do a whole like i i

don't get me wrong. I love Chris, but he didn't really pull Shelley for chats. He wasn't really doing a whole lot in anything else. Yeah, he showed up in the heart rate challenge, but like, so here's what I think. And if I'm wrong, you know, call me what you think. But from my approach, I understand that Shelley's looking for the dudes to make initiative and that's fine. When you get back into the situation, right, you walk back into the villa, you see the connection with Ace. the way that yeah immediately she he does go talk to ace about it to let him know which i would think that that would be something that would add to the connection of like hey wow he actually took the initiative to go talk to ace so that they're on the level i appreciated that moment

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Like, for example, is it really a bad episode, or do people? just hate women. The best worst. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Refresh my memory. Who put who for the chat with Ace and Chris? Did Chris go over and boys? Yeah, Chris pulled Ace while he was sitting with Sherry. So that's, I said that's, and you know, I know we're kind of, we're kind of just digging for some sort of intentions from Chris, but I think that's a pretty big move. I think pulling Ace and talking about what's going on is kind of big. Ace didn't really see an issue with him making breakfast for Shelley in the morning. He didn't do the Nick thing

where he just kind of like pulled things away. He didn't do any of that. So I think obviously there were more intentions there from Chris's side than there were Shelley. So it could be, Shelly didn't do anything. It could be as simple as that where maybe we're reading a little too far into

where the intentions are and all the things that he did. Maybe he saw that. Maybe he just quickly saw that. Like look, she's not even looking at my direction. I'm talking the ace she didn't really say anything about that i'm trying a little bit here and there she's not doing anything back maybe just just the simple nature of i tried a little bit and there's no reciprocation at all maybe that was enough for him to be like yeah i can kind of what i thought he seems

like a smart dude too so he may have been able to read into that a lot quicker and obviously you know we only see bits and pieces of what happens throughout the day there's obviously a lot more maybe there's a lot of you know the unspoken things that happens where he's walking by and she's not even paying him any respect or paying him any attention at all. It could be more than that that doesn't really convey that well over a show or over cameras. But yeah, I mean, obviously I'm still Team

Chris in this regard because I do think that it just seems like a play by Shelly, like I just She keeps talking about wanting to explore with him And we're not seeing it. And he's talking about wanting to explore with her and it's like you're making her breakfast, you are showing up here and there, so you are showing a little bit

So I just something about She was showing a little bit if she had shown a little bit in return he'd be like okay that door is still open at the same time due to this show you look at a situation with shelly and ace and he's like well they seem pretty tight yeah i kind of enjoyed talking to hooda so you know what maybe i'll put more of my energy into that rather than trying to force this situation because shelly hasn't looked in my direction since we got back it could be a simple to be the hood of it all hooda might be the reason why he's not exploring with shelly a little bit more he may have just found

himself obviously they found themselves in a couple which is a huge thing for later but it might just be as simple as that like I don't know why yeah it should be okay and for whatever reason it's not because losers decided you know he's not doing enough but yeah it could be

as simple as that like I'm not getting anything from Shelley even the bare minimum that door is almost slammed shut but it's you know it's teetering open but at the same time hood is great I get to talk to hood it all the time yeah she's going through some shit you know me personally when hood is going through all of that and she's crying and complaining about things going on i'd try a little bit here and there probably wouldn't really like it that much

but chris likes it chris is okay with it that's all that really matters in this situation so maybe he's identifying his coupling with hoda as okay you know what i'm not getting anything from shelley hood is giving me a lot might as well just continue down this road and i like her that's that should be as simple as that so i thought so yeah so that's that kind of puts uh puts a cap on episode what 25 that's 25 the one thing before and i don't know if this is early 26 i think it was 25 it's just funny in in hindsight nick takes hoota down to the dock like check on her this is 26 yeah this is 26 okay i'll have to get us into the episode there's yeah there's only like one or two things that we need to talk about from the beginnings of episode 26 and then it's majority of what

we have to talk about is just the game that they play but yeah if you want to if you want to just jump it off with that because that is pretty early 26 and i think it's important when you see the end of episode because he takes to the side and says, you know, I got your back. I support you. Just wanted to see like your perspective on this whole thing. And she immediately takes accountability for taking it too far. Yep. But also has some decent rebuttals and like, you know, and I don't know if this was in this moment or not, but the fact that like Shelley previously had said like, hey, it's a challenge to try to settle her down. And I think the biggest thing that we need to remember going into this is the thing that you highlighted that some people in

the comments had an issue with but i i don't that i think it's important an important distinction that we were all irritated as shit by hooda and the boundary she was forcing throughout this whole thing you hated it she was like climbing all over jeremiah to tell everyone don't touch him he's mine but that's important because shelley never did that and at the same time you're openly exploring another connection with chris so i think that the optics are different And I know people are still saying, like, no, like, you shouldn't have done that because that's your girl and that's going too far. It's like, okay. But again, look at the two situations because I think it's different with Jeremiah.

I do think, and this is one of those interesting things that comes along with the show and the way that they film it and how we're pretty much current. Yeah. Is I'm done and over the hood of Jeremiah fatigue. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? We're watching it. And I think it should be more prevalent when it comes to the people in the show because you guys are going day by day and you're spending a lot of time with each other. You guys should have moved on from the hood of Jeremiah thing a long time ago.

Like we've moved on from it and we're watching it obviously at a lot less volume because you guys are spending every day together 24 hours. We're over it. We're done with it. Like normally in shows like this, we move on in its episode to episode and we're like, all right, we don't really know how much time is passed. we do know how much time has passed we know all of the things that have happened you guys have gone to casa you've come back from casa people have gone home you've moved on with different connections i don't think we should still be harping on the hood of jeremiah thing at this point because we're over we're dumb with it jeremiah's home and he's got over a million followers as he should he's

a great boy jerry big fan of jerry so now we're sitting here like okay we've moved on hood is moved on hood is not even talking about jeremiah anymore so the fatigue factor when it comes to people like nick an ace that are talking about it all the time and shelly even i don't understand it's not relevant it's the low hanging all of it anymore it is the low hanging fruit and when it comes to nick pulling hoda for a chat we've seen this before i don't i still really don't understand it i think honestly i think nick likes the tea i think nick wants to understand what's going on i don't i think he's guising it as i'm just trying to be supportive because i haven't seen any other people like pull you obviously you know she's talked to chris she's talked to amaya you can only get so far with

something like that. You do need a central figure to talk to you about what's going on. And Nick can be that central figure, but I don't think he's doing it with the best intentions. His actions later prove that it was not well-intentioned. And look, I mean, he has, he is right. He has been on the side of, I want Hood to go home because he doesn't really trust what he's doing. But the audience is on Hood's side right now. We're seeing her explore a different connection. We're not seeing her cry about Jeremiah every night. We're not seeing her cry about how people wanted her gone. We're not seeing her cry

about how America voted for the two of them to split up. Like, she's moved on. You guys should too. So when Nick pulls her for a chat, yeah, it seems nice and they've had some nice moments.

It's very contradictory because we've seen them do it before. You sat down with her. You find out that she's a mom. You still vote her to go home. At the time, we all kind of backed you on that. But now anymore, it's like we kind of want you and Sierra to go home.

We want Ace and Shelley to go home. We want a Landria to go home. Especially after this. Especially after all of this. So, like, I don't get it. I do think genuinely, he just wanted the T. He just wanted the information. He wanted the gossip so that he could go back to his friends.

He can go back to Sierra. I'd say, yeah, you know, this is where Huda is. I don't really understand. He kind of sort of had her back a little bit later, but not really. He still wants her to go home. So it's hard to see this as anything more than I wanted more information so that I could actually stand, standing on business was the theme of this episode, for sure but now I can stand on it later and say look you told me this he told me that I still don't

agree with it I still want you to go home it's like well Nick we're not voting for anybody to go home tonight so I don't understand what you're doing where this is coming from why you're bringing after having that conversation hood is not going to be on the chopping block no she's worked her way back and that's the thing like she says later on in this episode when she's standing at the podium she's like I you know I still make mistakes but I feel like I've grown I was like you honestly have because if you look at the the audience action of huda like talk about a roller coaster yep but the way she's been moving she's playing the game she's exploring things with chris like she's trying her best she did her best in casa

like she tried to talk to every dude there and that's also out of necessity because she needed somebody so she didn't go home yep but she has grown in this thing and like it's tough to watch her get vilified still by the OG click that she's not involved in especially in moments where she thinks that she's tight with some of these women and she sits down and spills a little tea because for the first time since Jeremiah left

she's a little excited. She likes a guy. She wants to explore it. He likes her back. Did you see who she said that to? The only people she said, and we didn't even get to see her say that she was. Landrian out there? No. So do you know who the snitch is? Is Andrina again?

Yeah, but she showed that the night prior when she sat down as a quote quote twisted her words went right back to shelly she went to shelly and then she literally mocked and twisted the words of what hood had said and that's not because for whatever reason the power hierarchy in this villa is shelly elandria and sierra it just is and they're the o gs i know and you know even sierra she was a bombshell but it was like night too so who cares that's what she wants and we've seen this time and time again we don't really see it as much with the guys but we see it with the girls where all the sudden, yeah, yeah, but, you know, that's kind of solidified now with him, Taylor, and Nick.

But we see this time and time again. And Andrena is just the newest where she wants to be friends with them. She wants to give them gossip. She wants to be part of the cool kids. She thinks that this is the way to do it because they're mean girls. They're not girls, girls, they're mean girls. So of course they want the gossip. And of course they want to mock somebody. So let me go over there and tell her. She must have done it again. She must have said it. Now, I'm not really sure, though, because Hooda does say later, when I tell you, something in confidence keep it to yourself so she must have told elandria at some point we just didn't seem like she told elandri because of that statement and yeah at the very least despite having like head budding moments in this whole thing you should be able to like keep that to yourself and allow for them to bring it up when they want to bring it up and i mean do we have to cover

anything else before we get to the the only other thing that i wanted to just kind of gauge your interest on is the new girls, the Kasa girls, sitting and talking because it's Grace and Clark and Jaden are just sitting and chatting about how do you feel like our couples aren't really letting us get close to anybody else? I do think in Clark's case, it's a special circumstance because you're not going to be able to get close to them because of Elandria. But I mean, Jaden, you know, she's with Austin. Austin's kind of bopping around a little bit. Jayden's exploring. She's okay. She was talking.

talking to that was the funny thing she's talking to brian she comes back and she's like i feel like i had a really like that was the best first chat that i've ever had like what did you guys talk about nothing like we're doing this again i don't want to do yeah bro but yeah i mean with grason it's a different circumstance entirely like all three of them talking about that i thought was kind of funny because obviously you know clark is in a weird spot but grason is more pepe's not into you he's still into hannah so he's not going to be the person to bring you over and say hey everybody let's meet grason let's chat with grason looking at these these three uh you know i think clark's really nice and i think that she's handled this whole thing well i'll give her credit there

and i do think that her and taylor clearly show more of an intimate connection she's just kind of like not just her fault either taylor is yeah it's both they're just kind of boring yeah you know it's not like it's obviously interesting because the elandria love triangle thing but i have no issues with Clark. I think that she's, she seems really nice. And like I said, she handles herself with a lot of class. And that's, I think that's important in these situations. Jaden, Jaden's growing on me. I think she's actually a good addition to this house. I like Jaden. I think Jaden's cool. She also like threw people. No, I don't either. But like, and then Grayson, you got to feel for a little bit because she's fighting an uphill battle, try to get Pepe to forget

about Hannah. So like, yeah, I think gauging the three newcomers. I think yeah it gracing got dealt a shit hand because if you look around like I was trying to figure it out last night I'm like all right like pepe's clearly not interested he he just wants Hannah hopefully he can move on because I want him to stick around because I like him so much but I don't know if he will he might have to go home the audience will keep him around if it's up the audience will keep him around but if we get to a villa vote there's just I I kind of get it if they're like look dude like you're so hung up on Hannah who's not here anymore that's not the show like go find Hannah go home go find Hannah like I'd be okay with that I would watch that show pepe trying to find Hannah and have them fall in love again there's a that's a rom-com that I would love to watch but with grace and I'm looking at everybody else in the villa like I don't really see an opportunity for her unless a bombshell comes in so she might be on our way out as well unfortunately just the hand that she was dealt just kind of sucks but but yeah um really the only other thing that happens before the episode because we can just kind

continue all the same conversations hoda and shelly still not talking ace and shelly more of the same where we're we're in agreement with ace and we're like what what what what kind of bizarre a world are you it seems to be lost on shelly every time he explains it to her it's like she goes into defensive mode and then she's like how is this any worse than what you did to me it's like how how what do you not put these together and what he and he's doing a good job of articulating it that's the thing between mean, last episode and then this most recent one, how he's explaining it makes a lot of sense when I hear. It really does. Yeah. And then when she responds, it's like, how did that go over your head? I think she's intentionally ignoring what it means. I think that she knows, like,

Shelly's smart. If anything else, you know, she's definitely got a good head on her shoulders. So it's kind of bizarre to me that she wouldn't get it. She has to understand what he's saying. She's just intentionally ignoring what the significance is. But that's like he said, like you do things with intention, like things that you do have intent behind them. So I believe that you, and we all watching at home, believe that you going over to Chris twice, and especially now when we get through this whole note reading thing, I know exactly what it was. Because he hadn't given her the time of day, really, the double down was her reminding him like, hey, remember me? Like, that's what that was about. This is taking longer than I thought it would, which I should have

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