Bros & Shows - Havasu or Bust! (VPRs10ep07, RHONJs13ep06, SumHouses07ep05, RHOM Reunion part 1)

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

We are still waist deep in The Scandoval and we jump right into a Vanderpump girls trip as Katie and crew head out for a divorce celebration. The crew gangs up on Raquel and turn into mean girls. In Jersey its Softball time as the ladies play ball in Brooklyn. Melissa calls Louie manipulative while Bill and Jen head to couples therapy. Summer house continues to let Shooter down because it appears we're gonna have a full summer of Barry's Bootcamp and a good nights sleep. Finally in Miami, Alexia is in the hot seat and Larsa chimes in on every single conversation for better or worse. And by that we mean worse. Time Stamps VPR (19:00) RHONJ (45:00) Summer House (1:02.43) RHOM (1:12.13) Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. If your looking for a therapist look no further. Fast, easy and entirely online. Head to betterhelp.com/bravbros to receive 10% off your first month! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody.

For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-house. Oh, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Shooter Magooter shoots, what's up, dude? Happy Ides of March to all who celebrate. That's all I really want to say is. Who celebrates the... I will say I saw a remarkable amount of Iads of March post today. Yeah, there's a lot of good memes out there.

Honestly, like anybody who's praying on the downfall of their enemies, they celebrate the Iads of March. Oh, that way is... It symbolizes that. That's what it symbolizes to me. Because of Julius Caesar? Yeah. Okay.

Why not? No, I'm just kidding. It's the Eve of March Madness, and I couldn't be happier. This is one of my favorite sports weeks of the year, and I know we're going to get some people converted to being March Madness fans, because that's what we do here. I have a confession to make. You're going to be really bummed out. Now, I already know. You don't give a shit about college basketball.

I don't. I really don't care. Like, March Madness for my entire life has been kind of a whatever. Like, I appreciate. It's because you were getting ready for, like, baseball season. I was. That's 100% correct. Yeah.

Yeah, I was never, like, in tune with it, except in pro ball. Mm-hmm. Literally, like, spring training is about making a team in March Madness. Like, there's brackets posted everywhere in the clubhouse in spring training. Everyone puts a bracket in except yours truly because I didn't know what was going on. And I didn't, but I'm not because, like, I do understand it. Like, I get why everyone gets so jacked up about it. And I wish that I cared more and I've tried to care more.

I do care about the NBA now. Like, I like the Sixers. You and Georgie got me hooked on the Sixers. So, like, that's a W. But as far as college basketball goes, like, I just can't get into it. That's fair. I think that's fair. And look, it's a lot of fun to watch.

It's one of the most exhilarating things that you can really get into because it's, there's games constantly. And even if you're not really paying attention, you can just pay attention to the last minute of every game, and it'll be so much fun to watch. I'm excited. It always feels like it's too, it always feels like it ends way too soon. But you know what? This gets me through the last, like, cold month of the year.

It refuses to get warm up here. I know. Usually I've golfed like four or five times by now. I haven't golfed outside since, like, November. I can't wait to golf with you. I'm miserable. I am so angry and all I can do is sit in my house and watch Bravo and get mad of people. I don't know.

I know, dude. You watch the last, like, 30 minutes of the yard today with me. Watching with you is interesting. It's a whole thing. Dude, I stand up. I, like, throw things. Like, I threw my journal across the room. I yell at the TV and, like, you know, Dev, bless her soul, like, sit next to me.

And, like, she'll give me a little bit of feedback just to, like, keep me calm. But, like, I can't imagine watching it with me. Like, I'd be annoyed, too. Like, I'm... You look like the guy who, at the end of a game, like, throws his TV outside and just smash. No, no, no. I don't break stuff. I'm not that guy.

I... Look, have I broken a video game controller or two in my day? For sure. That's where I throw it. You don't throw it at the TV. No, no, no, no. No, you know what I do? And it's stupid because I've cut my hand before doing it.

You're going to, I can't believe I'm admitting this. I can't wait to hear this, yeah. I will squeeze my, I'll press it, like, crush my controller. In your hands. Literally. And I've broken controllers doing it. You can look at my controller now. The back is ripped because I did that.

So, like, on one hand, it's like kind of impressive because I can crush a controller with my bare hands. On the other hand, I'm so dumb. I have legit sliced my thumb open before because of this. You know what you need is just like, you need to put a bean bag or something in the corner and just throw it as hard as you can at the beam bag. I don't really, I haven't done this in a very long time. I'm not like that guy anymore.

And I also like sporting events, I won't throw shit. Like I don't break things. I'm not that guy. I'm like the bummed out like sad guy. Just like, wow, everything sucks. Everything in the world sucks because my team lost. That's bad for the week. Yep.

However, reality TV, Bravo, that can evoke some emotion. I will stand up. I will throw my notebook. I won't throw like anything heavy. I'll throw a pillow. I'll throw a tantrum. Weave my hands at the TV. I'll point.

I'll say a lot of cuss words. You know, people might want to come to a watch party just to see it happen. Yeah, because they can just see me sitting back, relaxing. Yeah, you'll see Shooter unfazed by my antics. He's seen this for like 17 years at this point, so he knows how it goes. But what a great plug. You guys can come and watch. Watch this live when we do our live show on April 27th with Zach Peter.

We're going to hashtag no filter with Zach. We got a little night out with the bros. We're going to have some special guests from the Bravo world. Yeah, we're still nailing that together. We've got a good list of maybes. So I think we're going to put together a pretty special list for everybody. Yeah, there's definitely going to be some there. We're just kind of like trying to figure out what route we want to go.

We've got two options right now mapped out. We're going to go with one of those two. We're going to discuss it more. But there were definitely some bravo leberties that were brought up that you and I immediately were like, no. Absolutely. Yeah, because they don't want to hear from us either, trust me. No. But April 27th, City Winery in Philly, if you're in Philly get a ticket.

If you're in Boston, drive down and get a ticket. If you're in the Northeast at all get a ticket. If you're on the West Coast and you're an avid listener, you claim to be like our number one fan and you're not on a flight out here to watch us live for our first live show, are you really a fan? Good point. I don't know. But I'll tell you what, if you come out from L.A. to watch us live, I'll give you a cool crisp high-five and a thank you for showing up. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, if you want to stage a coup and take us over a la odds of March, now's the opportunity. Come on out in the end of April. If they want to take the show from us? Yeah, take the show from us. So they're going to come on stage, kill us.

Yeah, that's fine. And then take, okay, yeah, let me let me, let me rebrand the whole thing. Let me read. If you want to come and murder us and take over our podcast. podcast on April 27th at the city winery. As long as you give us your money, that's fine. Yeah, I think that's fine. Yeah, whatever. I've had a good run. Anyway. Way to go out.

Yeah, could you imagine on my tombstone died at Bravo event? Anyway, let's get back on track here. We got a long night ahead of us. We got a lot to talk about, as you saw at the end of the Vanderpump episode, I was heated this evening. I was very heated. So let's get through our preamble so we can get to the meat and potatoes because I got a lot to say this week.

All right. A lot. You want to start off with some news or you want to get into the Rosen? I'm starting some news because then I can do a Rosen Thorn and feel a little bit better. And then go scorched earth because I'm telling you, just watch out. Somebody's angry. Daddy's angry. Up first in the news, we got a lot of upcoming show news to talk about.

So we got confirmed Mary Cosby citing. She has returned to Salt Lake to hopefully save it. I don't know if she's got enough pull to save that franchise. It's got a long way to go, but it's a great start. We enjoy Mary. We didn't know how much we had in Mary until she was gone. Yeah, and from what I've seen, it looks like the girls are on their first trip for the show for this season. And I guess the rest of them were coming out of a club of some kind.

And Mary Cosby was sitting in the sprinter van very displeased. So that is already looking great. I'm fine with that. Anything's going to be better than the last season, I think. Yeah, don't say that. Last words, I know. I feel like, you know, getting into the season two of a lot of these things since we've started reviewing, there's a couple of shows that were just complete duds and we're like, you know, it can't be as bad as it was last year. And if it is, then I don't know where we're going to go, complete different direction.

We might start reviewing The Bachelor, I don't know, but. A top chef. I would love to do top chef. So would I. Can you guys sound off in, like, the comments and stuff. Yeah. Let's put something out. there we're going to try to do so i know people talked about below deck before but that's like 15 below deck so much to do with where are we going to go we'll do bonus episodes when you guys deem it necessary if you say like hey you got to watch it's getting good we'll dive in no pun intended

but it's just it's too hard to make it like a mainstay there's just too much happening there's too many captains too many boats i did enjoy it we both liked it but i think that's like uh when we need to fill in when we're when we're short on shows when we have a little drought we'll throw some below deck at you. Yeah, yeah. But for now, Steele and I both looked at Top Chef and we're like, absolutely like this would be so much fun.

Yeah, it would be a blast. That's something that we could possibly just do remote. Just throw out a little half an hour episode. Just be like, hey, you guys like this, boom. A little morsel. I like that. I like that.

Let us know if you like it. If you don't, we won't do it. We do what you guys want us to do. Absolutely. Up next, I figured it was coming, and we finally got official word. Juan Dixon is out of Coppin State.

You got whacked. Got the axe. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this. one on Twitter. Yeah, you did. That was a good tweet. Yeah. A lot of people appreciated that one.

If you weren't on Twitter and you don't follow us, here's a good chance to follow us on Twitter. Follow us on Twitter at Brov underscore Bros. Same thing on Instagram or TikTok at Brov Bros. Or YouTube at Brov Bros. Podcast. There we go. We're getting better at this. We're getting better, but like I thought we were getting better.

We did our live today with Zach and he's so much better at plugs. Oh, my God. He plugged for us after I tried to plug and I was like, oh, that's how you do it. because I fumble and he has like a whole thing, like a whole little shtick and it worked and I need to practice. I need to practice. Yeah, plug practice. Don't worry. But yeah, if you're not following us on Twitter, do that.

If you're not following us anywhere else, go follow us there. Double plug. Double plug. Triple plug. There we go. But Georgetown also just fired their coach. So I said the Juan Dixon should just go. Yeah.

Obviously it would be good for his career. Go D1. Yeah. Top in state's not D1. Maybe it's double A. I don't know what the hell it is, but I've never heard of it before. So go to Georgetown. They've got very walkable streets that you can.

can walk with your mistress and it's accepted. So it might be a good look for him. I don't know. That might be a really bad look for him because he'll be trouncing around with his mistress in Georgetown. But he's doing that anyway. So at least get a job while you do it. But the last thing that we got to talk about is a little Winterhouse news.

We were a little skeptical of whether the Tom's were going to show up to Winterhouse. We didn't get both Tom's, but we got a Tom. We got a short sighting in the winter. house filming he was sitting with corey i think at like lunch or something but he will be back which i'm glad that one of them's going to be there because i hope that there's like a drunken winter house night where one of the dudes corners him and they start talking about probably kyle i'm sure i don't know corey could corey's a good guy to pull that out because he's not going to get too serious yeah but i feel like kyle's going to be the one to corner him and force him to

answer and kyle well i did have that moment where they talked about the divorce last year so yeah Maybe. Kyle could, oh, let's Without Sandoval there, because if Sandoval, as much as, like, I would like him to be there because we need more, I don't really, it's a weird dichotomy right now. Like, I don't want him on the screen at all because he's a terrible person. True.

But I want him on the screen because I want more information about this. And I want him to, like, look really bad. Yeah. I want people to ask a lot of questions and make him uncomfortable because he's made everybody else uncomfortable. So he deserves to be on screen being made uncomfortable. So I would like to see him there, but you know what? I don't know what that cast looks like.

Last season sucked, unbelief. It was so bad. Corey was the only person on that entire show that I was like, all right, cool. Obviously, you get Kyle, you get Amanda, whatever, you get Craig, Paige.

We see them in Summerhouse, Southern Charm. I don't need to see any more of them necessarily. This has to be a different dynamic, and it sucked. So if Schwartz is there and they have more new people coming in or Andrea there the whole time, we're going to watch. I just hope it's better than last year.

I think that it, again famous last words it can't be worse it cannot be worse but maybe it will if it is worse then it's got to be done you got to whack it because i don't think it's working yeah i agree but time will tell we will watch it as we watch fucking everything but that takes us to our rose and thorn and i'm going to let you go first because i need to end with my rose so i'm in a good mood before i get in a really bad mood okay okay so can you do that for me. Thank you so much. So I'm going to start off with my thorns, start nice and low, although it really wasn't

that bad. There really weren't mean comments on the internet again this week, two weeks in a row, unless you've got something. I think they were pointing all their hate at Sandoval, so we missed the bullet, dodge the bullet. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I kind of like the hate. I do too. But also it's nice when people aren't mean to us on the internet. Well, if you dig deep enough, you'll find it. Yeah, there's always something.

My thorn this week was somebody who kind of just jumped on the bandwagon and the whole Sandoval thing. You could tell they were just, like, on TikTok, like, hashtag Scandival, just looking in all the videos. And she commented, is this, like, a show or something? I'm just, like, so confused. Oh, my God. Stop.

Don't be that person. You're confused. I'm fucking confused, lady. Like, Janice, please. I don't even know. She seems like a Janus. And I'm sorry if there's a Janus that listens to us that likes us, but. It's different.

You're different. Yeah, you're a good Janus. This is dumb Janus. Yeah. And you know what? follow us on Instagram No We're just two idiots

Just sitting here On the couch It decided like hey Yeah let's buy a couple microphones Just talk about Sandoval No Maybe if it was like a year removed Maybe we would have jumped in

But we've been here buddy So relax My Thorne Or no wait My Rose A review that came to us this week Which I love This is why we started the podcast

I think This comes from Runtage, or Runtage. I love your podcast. I love your perspectives on my favorite shows. My husband rarely watches Bravo with me lately. But I had your show on speaker the other day, and he loved listening to you guys talk about the shows. So we were able to listen together. Keep going, never stop.

Love to hear it. Yeah. We were bringing families together. Like, that's a happy wife. Happy wife, happy life. Yeah. Husbands by proxy again. Let's go.

Yep. I love that one. You're welcome. You're welcome. Happy to help. You could also, you know, play us in like your baby's room. We'll put your baby to sleep because we have soothing voices. Yeah.

See, you know, your baby's first word might be. Fuck. Yeah. But, you know. All right. Well, my thorn, that was actually my rose, but I have a backup rose. I love that. Oh, there we go.

Yeah. I was like, wow, this is really sweet. Bringing us together, too. Yeah. I could do without you. But my thorn is from. I'm going to read their name because it's a fun name to say. From Kitty Kitty, Kitty, Kitty, Fire Island.

They say, I rewatch. Don't call her Rachel. People cheat all the time. In plain sight. The saying, how you got them is how you lose them. It's Ariana Karma. She cheated, destroyed Kristen. They literally drove Kristen to madness at Kristen Doty.

Two things. One, they did Doty Dirty. That is true. She got fucked over in this whole scenario. She got, you know, she wasn't great on, like, let's not forget that she hooked up with Jacks, like blew him on the couch while Sandoval was sleeping in the other room, like that happens. She's not blameless, but this is a different scenario.

You cannot compare these two. They're not the same at all. I like that she took umbrage with us calling her Rachel to. I know, like, that's where you have a problem? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, what a- fucking name? What a sidestep.

How about she doesn't call herself Raquel to make herself look more exotic? Okay, I had actually an interesting conversation with Dev about this, Because she said the same. Like, why would you change your name? People change their name all the time when they go out to L.A. That's not, like, crazy. The fact that everyone's up in arms about her being, Raquel doesn't make sense to me.

People do it all the time. You think the Silas that came out and went through Schwartz's closets. Like, you know what? We're also going to change your name. I would not be shocked. Actually, that Silas probably went back and said, we got to change your name now because of Tom Sandel. Her name's probably changed.

That's my point is, like, people in the modeling or the acting profession or music, entertainment overall. I get stage name, but like, I don't know. Is it a little weird? Sure. I'm just saying it's not like out of the realm of possibility in Los Angeles. Like it's not the craziest shit to happen. That's all.

Okay. That's all I'm going to say. I'm not standing up for anybody here. People are going to think that I'm standing up too when I talk about Vanderpump. Not me. I am people. Oh, Dev said actors change their name in Hollywood all the time. Sorry.

Actors change their name in Hollywood all the time. Yeah, she's not an actor. Let me clarify. She said actors. That's my bad. Misphrased. I just got a text letting me know. She's upstairs.

I'm so sorry. I don't want to misspeak. She said actors change her name all the time. My bad. Thank you for the crack. Thanks, dude. Love you. But now on to my rose,

and it's also an Apple podcast review. We had a lot of really nice ones this week. This one comes from Dom Gray 87, and it's just titled, Yes, with a lot of, lot of S's. Did I binge this? Yes, we love to be binged. Y'all kill me. I can't stop. Shut up. I can't stop laughing. I'm so close to being caught up. I listen to so many bravo pods, but this one is probably my favorite. Hell yeah. Love to hear it. That makes me feel

good. Yeah, we love to be binged. We talked about it before. We used to say every episode, if this is your first time with us, stop. Go back to the first one. Listen to that. Listen to all of them. then join us here. But that being said, there's a lot of episodes now. So, like, if you want to start a shit going on, we understand. But if you want to, like, check into a couple of them, go for it. Well, I like that he said that he listens to a lot of different bravo pods, and we're his favorite.

Yeah, that's a good feeling. So that makes me feel good. Yeah, and we're not competitive at all, so. No, not even in the slightest. No. Anyway, as I was saying, let's get into what's going to make me really fucking mad tonight. Vanderpump rules, and then Miami's going to piss me off more. Let's fucking go.

But that takes us to Vanderpump, and I had a litany of issues with this episode, a slew. There were so many problems, and it just led me to one conclusion. All of these people are assholes, top to bottom, left. to right, the only one that comes out clean here is Katie Maloney. And I never, in a billion years, a billion. I think, I mean, Charlie, even though she backed the wrong horse, okay. Okay, no, Charlie, no, Charlie, okay. Yeah, all right. And I know, and you mean the main, yeah, the main thing. And let me preface this whole episode. This is all coming from a place in which we technically don't know that Raquel is cheating. Yes. Or that Sandoval is cheating with

Raquel. Okay. So we're seeing this from our perspective of nobody knows does not make it okay, but a lot of this commentary is based on the fact that none of these girls know that they are hooking up. Okay? Let me just preface it with that because I know people are going to spin this and twist it. Anyway, we start out the episode and we're still in Havasu, right? Well, we're in Vegas still. Vegas. Sorry, we're in Vegas about to go to Havasu, my bad. It's like the night after they're all getting fucked up and they're back at the room and Raquel is bombed.

Everyone else is relatively sober. I mean, obviously Lala is sober. The other two seem to be pretty with it. The amount of backlash that Rachel gets for being drunk and eating food, first of all, was ridiculous. Second of all, we get a conversation

between her and Lala. Everyone's talking about the fact that she went and swooped in on Oliver. Lala gave it the okay Let's not forget Like should Full on stamp of approval Yeah

Should Rachel have read the room a little bit Yes totally Like you should have seen that All right Lala Kind of hinted at this before I did Maybe let me back off I don't want to be that person She's not

Present enough to do that Right so she doesn't She hooks up with them Can you take an issue there slightly Sure but again Lala said go for it Yeah she went for it You cannot then use that as ammunition

against her When they get into the room, Lala says a mean thing first. Is it true? And is she right to say it? Now, yes. Now, yeah. But in the moment she's like, but I would never, ever let you around my man with a couple of drinks. That's fucking mean.

And this is what's going to happen. Is it going to get spun and there's going to be a lot of people out there like, whoa, look at the foresight on her. Like, first off, I don't think Lala has one ounce of foresight. Zero. I think she's only ever concerned with the present moment. I don't think that she ever thinks about the future. She clearly doesn't give a shit about the past, as we see later. So in that moment, she's still, look, she's bent up about the Oliver thing.

She talks about it in her confessional, which happens however long later. She's still bent up about it. And she feels like Raquel stole her from her, whatever fucking bullshit. And you get Katie and Christina that are also on Lala's side. Yep. Because they don't know that Lala gave. Rachel the stamp of approval. But she says it. And she says that she did. And they're still treating Raquel like she stole Oliver

from Lala. So like that's how the whole thing started. And you're like, why are we talking about trusting, albeit now obviously it's very clear. But in that moment, why are we talking about Rachel around other people's boyfriend? I will say, I mean, okay, there's a little bit to address just with the fact that, yeah, she did ask Schwartz to make out. That was fucked. She shouldn't have done that so yeah that should raise some red flags this moment was just like an opportunity to pile on to that and be like oh see look at her she just hooked up with oliver oliver is single oliver is not with la la la la la she said that he's cute just because you lost the battle dude like accept it and move on and then when you're on the bed and you're saying like no no like i did

i said it was okay i said it was okay that's it period done yep you said it was okay you don't have to go any further. The only one that should throw a dagger here if she wanted to is Katie. Katie's the only one allowed to speak because she could say, well, I don't know, it just seems like a trend. Like first it was Tom, now it's all of her. Like, what's next? Would that still be kind of like, eh? Maybe. But again, Katie's been slighted. She has every right to do. Yeah, and I feel like Katie at the end of that dinner where Ariana was with her, I feel like she kind of let Rachel off with like a light punishment. Like she really wasn't mad at Rachel about that whole thing. She was like, thank you for telling me that yeah and maybe she wasn't like maybe yeah she then like kind of internalized it and sat on

it for a couple of days and she did feel some type of way about it but it seemed like it was kind over with and now that she's with her girl squad just seemed like a gang up moment and look like we're not defending rachel in any way shape or form no way shape in hell no way shape in hell that's a t-shirt when she's sitting there at the end of the bed look i don't like it when people if it's my bed don't come into my bed with a full plate of food with your drunk ass because you're going to get some fucking chicken cutlet on my comforter in my hotel and it's going to smell like shit in the other foot of it. I get that.

That part of it's fine. But to then just gang up on her, it just seemed like they were all glaring at her. It's just mean girl shit. Like, go to bed, like, you know what? It's not worth it, but she's drunk and she just keeps going. And does she say something very mean? Yeah. Yeah. She didn't need to say that.

No. I don't know why you guys are picking on me and walk away. And then everybody would have been like, you know what? That's kind of fair. I get that. Go to your nightlight room which, by the way, when she busted that fucking thing out, did you not have the same thought that I did that her and Tom absolutely like take Molly and lay down and just watch the stars together.

Oh, no, you know what I thought? What? Oh, cool, laser tag. I was like, these two are definitely like, you know, tripping balls just laying down like, look at these stars, man. And then they put their lightning bolt necklaces together. Yeah, touch by lightning bolt. That was my first thought.

And I'm like, this is kind of weird. But that would have been a much smarter thought on my end. But she was at least having fun. Like this is the whole thing is they're mad and they're butt hurt about the fact that, oh, this is supposed to be Katie's divorce party. First off, if you're in like a terrible abusive relationship and you will get a divorce, you need to go like celebrate that divorce. Go do that. This isn't one of those moments. This shouldn't be a divorce celebration.

Katie's still like sad about it all. I don't think it should be. And I don't think Katie phrased it that way. No, she didn't. This is all Lauren from Salt Lake City from Utah. she is fucking hard now after this episode she's absolutely long that's fair that's fair but she was the one who orchestrated this whole thing and you get christina who's just going to say whatever the fuck she wants up as long as katy says it's okay but to sit there and be like yo this is a whole

celebration like no we're kind of sad this is more so just to get away from l.a get away from schwartz get away from it all and hang out with your friends who support you that's what it is it's not a celebration of any kind so i feel like that's just kind of import taste and look rachel just shouldn't have gone at the end of the day. No, but that was, I think, my biggest problem. And yeah, with Christina Kelly, she needs to kick rocks, get the fuck out of here immediately. She just sits there and, like, puts little words in everyone's ear, and she's, like, such a yes person and, like, I need her to go because she is aggravating as shit.

Here's my thing with, like, the Rachel of it all. If you invite her on the trip, and Dev did point out, like, maybe production pushed it, and that's a different story. But you were cool with it three days prior when you're talking on. the top of that mountain you went hiking or whatever you're cool you want her to be on the trip you want to pursue that relationship give her some grace whatever those are your words that's what you want to do if that's the case then you cannot then jump in on this mean girl train like start dragging her down when she's on your trip yeah that's when i was confused i was like okay well

was this just so you could get her like cornered so you guys could team up on her because you're mad at her which is you know a whole different story but it was just confusing to me and then to watch her, like, sit there at the door and listen to them talk shit about it. I was like, God damn. And then Lala, like, gets on her fucking tough guy train again. Like, yo, she's lucky that she left the room because Lala, like, I would have buried her, blah, blah, blah, blah, because she always talks shit after the fact. Always.

After the fact. Like, at the table, you need to disengage, bitch. Who disengages and gets up and walks away? Lala. Not Rachel. Lala gets up and disengages. So, like, I'll bark, no bite, whatever. We're putting it all out there now.

like we'll probably hear about this later but fuck it yeah but then we go to the morning after um and and again like the the phrases being used are just funny to me now like after the fact the dust is settled and lala's like i'm appalled i'm appalled by what she said do we fucking live in the biggest glass house on earth do we forget all of the fucked up things that all of you have done all of you the only one once again is katie really hasn't done that much fucked up stuff. She's kind of mean sometimes and not the most fun to watch sometimes, but credit to her, she's not an asshole. The only other one is Ariana is not an asshole. Everybody else is a dick. Lala, you fucked Rachel's dude five years ago and didn't tell her until a month ago. That's

fucked up. They were going to get married. That's massive. That is not something you can just throw out there randomly like, oh, by the way, ha ha, and brush it off because it's not fitting your narrative to not talk about it. When they're sitting at that dinner and she's like, get over it. It was six years ago. Get over it. You just told her a month ago. She's only known about this for a month.

She's been sitting on it for not very long and you're going to be like, get over it. It was six years ago. Like, why are we talking about it? It is the same thing. It's exactly the same thing. And it cracks me up when Rachel tries to use her evidence. Like, this is what I know. This is what was said.

Lala's like, you can't say that. You can't use that. Like that five years ago, blah, blah, blah. But you will dig up or say anything about anybody else just to prove your point. but if it's Rachel trying to do it to you, by the way, she's not wrong. She's not wrong, Lala. Like you were hooking up with a married man period. So for you to now get on your high horse, this is what cracks me up about Bravo overall.

If you're doing stupid shit, if you're being shady, if you're cheating, if you're robbing people, don't fucking speak up about other people doing the same goddamn thing. It makes no fucking sense. It's illogical. It's irrational. And I sit here and I watch these goddamn TV shows. They're taking years off my life. I don't know which way is up anymore.

I just want to go on a fucking vacation. No, I mean, it's just really tough because obviously we know what happens. But in this moment, if we knew none of that and nothing was going on, I think 98% of the world is team Rachel at this point. They would be. That was tough to watch aside from the comment that she made while she was drunk and sitting in the bed. And trying to hook up with Schwartz. And trying to hook up with Schwartz. Well, that wasn't even this episode, but I'm just talking about just this episode.

The rest of it was tough to watch. And Rachel came back at Lala with nothing but. facts everything that she said was true yes everything la la said was hypocritical 100 so it's tough to be like i don't know like katy sat there this is supposed to be katy's party and katy really wasn't taking teams you just had christina kelly jumping in shut up christina just jumping in and saying absolutely nothing this is between la la and rachel rachel won and la la la look really bad from this perspective, but everybody's going to come back tomorrow and do the Monday morning quarterback thing and be like, well, we know what Rachel and Sandoval have been doing for seven months,

so she's the worst person. But in this moment, Lala is entirely wrong. In this moment, in this time, where we're at on the timeline. Yeah. We need to always just continuously say, in this moment, completely unbiased, Rachel over Lala. Yes, right now. Right now. Don't cut this and make it look weird.

There was one thing when Rachel was saying bye and her and Charlie were packing up. Did you notice that it looked like Rachel kind of had a little bit of a black eye? Yeah. When she walked outside to talk to them, but that's what people were saying. If you watch Rachel's face, like in previous pictures, like she always has like a shadow. That's what people were saying. So like the black eye thing, that's why it got debunked. So that's pretty brutal if she just like leaned into that and she's like, this is.

Look, I don't think she ever came out. and said I had a black eye, but I think that she used that. She showed a picture. There's pictures all over Instagram. Yeah. And we know now that that picture was taken before anything even happened. Like, here's the thing.

Like, we're not condoning Rachel. We're not sitting here like standing by her. We're not promoting her. Yeah. We're saying in the timeline, she is in the right right now. We're also not congratulating Lala for being correct about something that came out months later. You were a shitty person now that doesn't explain your shitty behavior. no nobody something happens months later that you didn't know about in that moment nobody on this show

changes ever they don't they don't look in the mirror looking the fucking mirror let's move on we got to move on tom tom tom we're at tom tom tom and the toms are at tom tom tom okay i'm frazzled but we do get to see bam right on the center of the chest the lightning bolt necklace when he walks in now and i know you notice because you were here watching my rant and i pointed and said did you notice when he was with Ariana later, and they went for the tasting, not wearing the lightning bolt necklace. Yeah, but he also wasn't wearing it at the end of the episode. I'm not saying. It was interesting, yeah.

You know, I'm trying to look at all the clues. There's clues everywhere. Clues everywhere. But they're discussing whether or not they want to take the buyout to get out of Tom Tom. But when they break it down, I think that would be the dumbest move ever because Schwartz and Sandys, especially now, given everything that we know, if shorts and Sandy's, goes under, they would literally have nothing. Yes. So which way

would you go? No, I mean, they just need to figure out a way to open at this point. They need to find a way to skirt around Greg, because Greg has no skin in the game as we've said before. Scum bag. Just open the day. And eventually they do when they, look, if you do like a sort of open thing where you're only

open from like Wednesday to Sunday and you still have brunch, like money's coming in. Something's coming in. At this moment, nothing's coming in. You're just sitting there and having these parties and doing taste test and trying out new servers it's it's all for nothing how are you doing a taste test a year into a restaurant venture it's just it's crazy it doesn't make any sense you have a brand new kitchen back there and you're like here let's go do the taste test they're like no why don't you just do that

leading up to it while everything's being built and put together and everything so that you can maximize the time oh no they can't do that because sandoval wasn't there he was off playing his fucking band that nobody really cares around that band and oh dude they blocked us on instagram really I swear to God. Oh, man. They didn't block my personal account. I go listen to shitty music whenever I want. Nice.

Nice. But yeah, it's just, I wouldn't take my investment out of that. And I know that LVP in Ken are just trying to give them a little bit of a lifeline just being like, look, like we feel for you. We can't just push Greg out, but we can at least offer you this so that you guys can stay afloat for a little bit and then you can buy back in within a year. Maybe. but the way things have been going, they might not be fully open and they might not have that money back

within that year. No. So no, leave your investment over there because if this all falls apart, you're going to need that over there, not the 50 grand that you put in six, seven years ago. And things are looking pretty groomed right now.

So a good thing you, maybe, I don't even know if they stuck it out. But Tom Tom, I guess we'll find out. I think they did. Let's get back to the main point here. We're back in, now we're at the Havasu dinner. I just thought it was super interesting. Like, they immediately start going in on Rachel again about her drinking because she got lit like at a club on a girl's trip.

She's like 26 or whatever, like 27. Like this is very normal. You guys were all doing. She also just had a panic attack, which by the way, let's talk about the panic attack. Oh, yeah, the panic attack. She's just been harboring all of this guilt probably for the Sandoval thing. And this is assuming that she has feelings towards that. She could be a show.

but it seems like a genuine thing like she feels trapped on this vacation this girl's vacation that she was supposed to have fun and she's not having any fun and she's just being grilled by these other women and also she's harboring all of that guilt from cheating with a guy who's in a committed relationship for seven months behind a very nice woman's back like that's tough and if that's the case and you are feeling that guilt and had the panic attack then good you deserve the panic attack yeah exactly but to then immediately watch and not know any of that to watch this girl go through a panic attack on the way here console her console her and then go right back after her that night about the stuff that you said it was okay it's crazy like you literally said in the car

it's over all over the whole everything is squashed don't worry about it we're good girl we're gonna have the girl's fit start because i guess they were filling in charlie and they just like brought off all these new emotions but they were being charlie wasn't even there charlie was at the dinner at the dinner yeah yeah that's what i'm saying they were feeling in charlie yeah oh yeah i thought we were still the car. Are we doing the panic attack? I went back to the panic attack to bring this up. Okay, cool. Yeah. But we're sitting at this dinner and I guess Charlie's there so they're trying to fill her in, whatever. But they're being dicks about it. They're not just like, oh yeah,

we had a good time. Raquel had a very good time. She hooked up with Oliver. Again, from the lens that we don't know about Sandball. Yeah. And that could have been fine. And then Charlie would have been like, oh, nice. That's awesome. Great. Could have moved on. No. Lala, Katie and Christina are just being complete assholes about it, making snide remarks. And Raquel's like, what the fuck? Like, are we doing this? So then they get back into it. And it's just an absolute nightmare.

But I'm so glad that Raquel spoke up in that moment and went back after Lala. And I wish so much for so many reasons that are much more important in this stupid show that she hadn't cheated or helped, helped, abetted. Aided and abetted an affair. Yeah. Okay. Aided and abetted an affair. I wish she hadn't done that because this could have been a really great moment for Rachel to be like, wow, she's finding herself, great.

She stood up for herself. Fuck you, Lauren. Like, that would have been a cool moment. But instead, it's like, yeah, nice. Ah, you still suck, though. I think that she even prefaced it by saying, I need to stick up for myself. Yeah. I need to speak up for myself more.

And then she did it. Yeah, no, I appreciated the moment. Instead of just, like, the empty words of like, I need to speak up for myself more. Nothing. Yeah. And then what is Lauren, though? Up from the table? You need to disengage, bitch.

She disengages and walks away. Again, you lost. Well, thankfully, at least. Charlie was there to defuse the situation. Charlie was great. I'm turning into a big Charlie fan. I'm glad that when she gets there, she sees it from like the lens that we're looking at it as.

Like, all right, this isn't that big of a deal. Like, if this is about the Schwartz stuff, okay. Like that makes more sense, but bring that up. And then again, Katie's the only one with a leg to stand on. She at the end goes, I could set you on fire right now, which I thought was a little extreme, but also not. Like, I think watching it more and more, like seeing the dinner with her mom, like her talking about on the car ride there, like, you know, we had family parties and holidays for like 10 plus years. I was like, yeah, that's really, really messed up that Rachel would ever ask Schwartz to make out.

Right. Like that's also what I'm talking about, this whole celebration thing. Yeah. It's not a celebration. She didn't frame it that way. The other women framed it. I know. That's what's fucked up about it.

But thanks. I mean, I'm just glad that Charlie was there because it gave me some support through this whole thing. But the craziest thing is, like, the next day when they're talking about it, Lala goes, this was supposed to be about Katie, and we've spent two nights of, like, making it about Rachel. And it's like, you did that. Yeah. You started this shit. You kept talking about it.

You couldn't leave well enough alone. You had to do some mean girl shit and team up with your two homies and, like, talk shit about Rachel. You made the nights about that. Like, she wasn't going to bring it up. She was just trying to go to dinner. You're the one that took it upon yourself to force the issue, and here we are. And now you have the saddest, the fucking saddest party I've ever seen. Everything they're doing together is a bummer.

Yeah, no, that was so funny when they go out to the lake. Oh, my God. There's some hot dudes around here, and they pan back. Those guys? There's just, like, some fucking weird dude. Honestly, yeah, they're just guys. There's guys. They're like, you know what?

Lake guys. They probably work, like, shitty jobs. and they were so stoked to go to Have a Su, boys weekend, dude, and then they get on the boat, and one of the most attractive women they've ever seen in person walks up on the boat next to them, not only that engages with them.

And they're like, guys, we fucking nailed it. This is the best weekend ever. I told you, dude, have a suit never fails, man. One guy just, like, did he just fall again? But, like, it's just a bum. You know what it looked like when they panned out, like the drone footage of them doing, like, donuts on the jet skis?

It's like, If wealthy high school kids wanted to make a music video, like that Rebecca Black video, where like... Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you watch the video, it's like the mom clearly hired some shitty production company to shoot an actual video. That's what it looked like. It was definitely super duper sad. And honestly, when they left Vegas, I was like, wait, they're leaving after one night.

Oh, they're going to a different place. Okay. And they kept talking about, like, we'll hook up with these guys. Let's talk about some guys. And they go with the first guys they see. You're like, I have the old guy in the lake, and he just raises. With a core, like, Bill, yeah, oh, years. Like, it was almost like a movie scene.

Like, this is what they've gotten to. But that night, they go to BJ's. The other group goes out. They're doing the dudes night out. And BJs is my kind of bar. That's where I would go. They're like country music, cowboy hats, Coors Light. Coors Light and Whiskey.

That's all I need. Jack Daniels. and Coors lie it, not anymore, but back in the day, hell yeah. But I think that if you look at the two parties, the dudes win. That was a much more fun time. But I have to point it out, you actually pointed out to me, I'm going to bring it up again, and then we're going to wrap this whole thing up. Who pointed out that Rachel and Charlie bounced from Havasu?

Sandoval. It was the first one to say anything about it. And we're looking for things. All we heard, I think it was Sheena that said, oh, yeah, two of the girls, not discreet. Two of the girls left, and Sandoval chimes in. Oh, yeah, yeah, Rachel, well, I guess he said Raquel. Raquel and Charlie had left. Hmm. How do you know that?

Yeah, why are you the first to know that? Who texted you, Charlie? Nope. Nope. Absolutely not. Rachel sent a selfie in the car. You could see her doing like a, but you did like a little tilt away. I was like, I bet that's to Sandy.

Yep. I bet she's like Snapchating Sandy right now, bro. Absolutely. Look, overall, it was just, it was. It was a lot for me to watch because I do feel a certain way about Rachel and Sandoval, obviously, like the whole world's mad at her, but I'm not going to sit here and pile on to this big pile of shit she's got for an episode that she didn't seem to be doing anything wrong. I mean, if you want to use the Schwartz thing, okay, but if you're looking at the Schwartz thing without the Sandoval part, that is not the most fucked up thing that has happened in this group by any stretch. And for the people that are coming at her to be coming at her like that makes no fucking sense. Christina Kelly, you're irrelevant.

Get out of here. Lala, your track record sucks. Shut up. Katie, if you want to say something, you can, but you invited her. Yeah. No, the whole thing, I was kind of annoyed at the whole thing because the preamble was Andy and LVP tweeting out, you're going to want to check in this week for VPR.

It's great. It's completely unedited. You're going to be so shocked at what you see. It's the most edited shit I've ever seen. I don't like, this is not what I thought it was going to be. I thought we were going to get so many clues Sandoval and, yeah, same. Instead, it was just, what,

like, we're supposed to, what, congratulate these women because they started talking about Rachel with other people's boyfriends months before when it was clearly going on. Like, what, do you want me to fucking, like, give them a round of applause? No, they were being dicks. They were being dicks before we knew. And now, what, they're soothsayers,

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of all this stuff you know I've got like 16 journals lit it around my house but um because you throw them everywhere when you get mad I only threw this one and you can attest to it it's like the size of an eye it's little it's my little guy little back book my little my little no it's just a little notebook but we start out with like a Dolores and Frank check in and I think a lot of this episode has to do with that that's a big part of it Then, like, obviously, Jen and Del Aden, but let's just tie all of the Dolores and Frank stuff together in one. Sure. All right.

So we know Paul. Let's also give a quick, you know, prayers out for Paul. He had to go in for heart surgery. He came out okay. Tees and peas. As we know, but T's and P's for your previous T and P worthy event. Yeah. Right?

Sure. Sure. But Dolores and Frank. So, again, Frank's really struggling. with this whole transition. And Dolores talked to her dad. I think we got that, like, walk where they go, take the dog out. She was a rock for 20-plus years for a guy that she was in a not great marriage with.

Like, every time she talks about it. I loved those pictures, though. Oh, they were so good. Oh, my God. They were so good. Frank, with the mustache and glasses. He needs to bring it back. Bring back the stash.

Absolutely. Go and shoot her on the stash train. Yeah. But it's such a fair point. And, like, I think we both kind of shifted on this whole thing. I think early on we were both kind of like, come on. Yeah, we're ever shifting on it. Yeah.

And now it's like, you know, she really grinded this shit out for 20 years in a very unorthodox relationship with which 100% affected her relationships with men. There's no way it couldn't have if you got your ex-husband in the picture like that. I think it was amazing that they were able to do that and be there for their children and have this amicable relationship for so long. But it's not normal. It's not functional, especially if she wants to move on with her life. I think that he needs to just like see that size.

of it. He definitely does. I mean, we've talked about it, and I'm actually going to bring in a bit of a bonus thorn here, because I just remembered one review. A Bourne? A Bourne, yeah. Jason Bourne. Somebody left us a review and said, it's good, but, and

I'm going to paraphrase, let's just hope that they don't do to tree what they did to Kyle in Beverly Hills, where they started off really liking her, and then completely flipped and made a left term by the end. Somebody said that? Somebody said that. Oh, my God, I'm glad to see that.

That would have set me in a tizzy. Yeah, no, an absolute tizzy. I didn't want to break your psyche anymore after watching you jump up and down during Vaynerpump. But, no, this is what we do. We talk about things. We change our fucking minds. We go through it, especially with somebody like Frank, who we both really like.

And I feel like the majority of people like Frank. Yeah, he's a well-liked character on the show. And it makes sense that, one, he's going to have a hard time getting used to a new life with his ex-wife, even though he has a girlfriend. and he seems to be happy over there. He's having a hard time because it feels like he's being shut out. And whatever, I get it. For him to sit there and be like, I miss my relationship with Dolores is weird.

It's wrong. It's wrong because it puts pressure on her to kind of like fall back into it. And like she shouldn't have to. She did it. The children are grown up. They're older. You are together in an amicable, broken relationship, divorced relationship, whatever you want to say. Because of your children.

Your children are now grown up. You can go hang out with them whenever the fuck you want. Invite them over to your place. Go do whatever you want. Go meet up with them. You really don't need Dolores in the picture all the time. I'm not saying that you don't want like some of it because she's still the mother of your children. That's great.

You want to have, you know, events together, birthdays, whatever. That's still going to happen. But you're not going to be able to just pop in on a Thursday night for fucking pizza night. Be like, hey, dad's home. Like, no. No, but that's not going to work. It's not going to work. And I agree with you 100%.

The thing is, Frank, again, Dolores was the rock, not just for the kids. Dolores was Frank's rock. Frank. He has a girlfriend. I agree, dude. But clearly this is a case

if he wants his cake and to eat it too. Yes. And like it's... And nobody's allowed to have their cake and eat it. No, it's a physical impossibility. But I don't think it's coming from a place of malintent. I don't think he's trying to be malicious with it. I think it's just all he knows.

And he's like, what do I do? Like, I need Dolores. I understand that, but it's wrong. It is. He needs to understand, like, her feelings on the matter and be comfortable with just being like, this is going to be really difficult, but maybe it's time for both of us to move on. We're still going to see each other, have a relationship, but it's not going to be the same because Paul's here.

And Paul seems like a good dude. Yeah, and I don't need them all to sit down to and have Paul walk it through. It's just maybe one conversation, which we've probably already gotten, and maybe we didn't see it on film or whatever. But Dolores and Frank, if Frank still feels that way. way and now after the softball game watching him like break down about the whole thing it was sad it's sad but again it's wrong i know you have to remove the feelings of loving frank because he is a good dude but he wasn't a good husband to her forever but he knows that and he said like but it makes me

sadder because he's like it's my biggest regret in my life and i'm like oh and he's like really losing her now that sucks but it's wrong yeah exactly it's completely wrong they just need to hash it out or he just needs to just man up still obviously talk of you know what talk to your children about it don't talk to other people about it don't cry about it to other people and just say i wish that it was the way it was go talk to your children about it to frank junior because he's smarter you smart as shit and he's you but smarter yes and he will sit you down and say look like mom's having a great time for polly right now she's feeling like she's having a good life with him and maybe it'll continue and hopefully it continues because it makes her happy what a weird way to explain a good

relationship by the way you got a letter yeah right you got a let her go and obviously you're still going to be in the picture because you're the father of her children she's the mother of your children it'll always work out in the end go focus on your own relationship i agree i agree it does take the emotion out of it that's what we do here emotionless yeah you have a really hard time being emotional guy yeah i know we get a conversation between fessler and marge junior and i love jen fessler was the friend of we talked about with Zach today she's the ideal perfect friend of she should never change she should never shoot for more just stay where you're at because that's your role that's your niche and what i loved about this scene this was as though one of us or any of like

the rational watchers of the show was trying to talk to marge and like talk some sense into her it's like what are you doing you look like an idiot you're not you're not looking good here just trying to prove your point by screaming over he sound like a 16 year old pissed off teenager like knock it off yeah no we we talked about it it was uh with zach we were saying it's like a sweepstakes like a random fan just gets to be put in yeah think about ourselves in these random bravo shows like i'd be great in that here's what happens yes you're thinking rationally you're thinking logically and they're friends that's the best part i know is jen even says and completely like doesn't lose her cool she says i don't really care about jen aiden i really don't i care

about you and i watched you lose your cool the other day and i didn't like it so let's try to fix that and Marge is having none of it. You guys, now I'm going to say what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely none of it. Like a five-year-old. You've been friends with her for how long? Like, is this, it really had me questioning, though, like, is this how Marge actually is, or is this how Marge is on the show with those people?

Because off-screen, I can't imagine that Marge is hanging out with Gen Aiden ever. No. In those down months, when they're not filming, not a chance in hell that they see each other. If they do, it's very hypocritical. Yes. So this could just be how Marge feels about her castmates and maybe she has a secret life of Marge Jr. And I'd like to watch that show.

Oh, that's me. The secret life of Marge Jr. Oh, no, they call her Margaret. I don't give a shit. Margaret's out. Oh, I'm trying to play into the bit. All right. I do actually call her Margaret though. I'll just stay out of the bit. Dude, my bad. Your thing. As we know, it is the eve of the softball event. So we get the Fudas with the Gorgas. They're at the batting cage working on whatever the hell they were working on. The only one that made contact, I think, was Joe, and he needs to follow through.

He's cutting his follow through. Yeah, it's just not good. He's a stay through the ball. Come on, Joey. But in this scene, we get Melissa talking about Louis and how she thinks that he's manipulative. We talked about this today on the live. Do we think, do you think that Louis is manipulating? No, I decided to make an important distinction between controlling and manipulative.

Manipulative has a very negative connotation. If somebody says, oh, you're manipulating everybody, you're manipulating a situation, that means you're doing something for your own good and you're not really thinking about anybody else and you're being selfish and you're trying to change the way that people think or what they do. I don't think that's what Louis doing. I think what he's doing is more towards controlling, meaning he's controlling what he can control, being Teresa and her emotions trying to keep her in check. Maybe not as far as like the narrative, but I think that he's just trying to. to make everybody happy. I'm thinking he's trying to get Teresa and Joe in a room together to hash it out because he wants a big happy family.

He's trying to get Teresa to not lash out at everybody because it doesn't really help if you lash out at your friends. You want to keep them in your corner, whatever. I don't really think that anything he's doing is malicious. Some people are out here saying that he's being manipulative and this is how, like, his past relationships have gone and whatever. You don't fucking know that. Like, let's be honest.

These people who are talking about this have no idea what Louis's relationship was. with his ex or exes before then, you're not Marge. You're not digging up anything. So let's just give them a chance and just see what happens and maybe it'll be good for everybody. It just seems more like Melissa and Joe

don't want it to be good because it's not good for the show and that's not going to get them a paycheck. Yeah, no, that's what it seems like and people are going to say that you're a tree stand and a fucking Louis stand. We're not.

We're not. Zach put it really well today. We're fans of the show. We want the show to do well. We want to see some kind of peace or something break one way or the other, the problem is with, you know, Louis allegedly being manipulative.

And I've talked about it multiple times. I'm not going to dive that far into it. But like, we need to give them the opportunity to either prove us wrong or prove us right. Yeah. But trying to throw out accusations because you read a page six article that came out two months ago

about what Louis was doing, what Teresa was doing, what their implications are with all of this. You don't really know. so we know Louis has a past you know Teresa has a past like those are facts that we can't just like gloss over that which means we need to keep a watchful eye be cautiously optimistic or skeptical or whatever word you want to use but you can't just throw it out the window that they're 100% full of shit we don't know let's just let this shit play out and let me tell you

right now if it turns out that they suck and this is all a ruse i will be the first one I will go on Instagram live the minute it happened and say, hey, they didn't change. I was wrong. So what? Yeah, the only thing that I keep coming back to is, and I think I'm giving everybody way too much credit with this, but this is how my brain works when I watch these shows. There could be a grand master scheme going on here where Teresa and Louis are really in the back pulling the strings on everybody.

And the reason that Jen is going apis on Marge and going all after Dolores and so on and so forth and all the things that are going on with Joe and Melissa and Joe and Melissa are just trying to whistleblow. Like, no, this is, I knew this is what Teresa was going to do. They just can't figure out how to outsmart her. Maybe there's a huge master scheme going on here, but it's highly unlikely. You could say the same about Joe and Melissa.

Yeah, but they're so bad at it. I can see Teresa and Louis being good at this and Joe and Melissa being terrible at. Maybe. And I think that's really what's going on is, I think that you've got two people here trying to control the situation, control the narrative. Louis's just trying to make everybody okay,

or at the very least, make sure that him and Teresa look good. Yeah. Joe and Melissa are floundering. They are. They are just grasping at straws. They're running away from situations. They're looking for any little piece of dirt that they can dig up to try to prove that Teresa is not this changed person

and that she is going to lash out at any given moment. But when you sit down in a confessional, Josephina, and you're sitting, sitting there talking about how I don't trust it. Like, Teresa could just pop off at any given moment. She hasn't in the last, what, six months to a year? At least when we've been watching this show. Pretty much since Nashville, like we haven't seen her completely pop off.

So give her a little bit better for the doubt. He's sitting there like she's going to pop off and then runs away from the situation. Like, but she isn't. Only to rejoin a very nice family moment between the Gorgas and the Jude Ice slash Louis family. Like, we saw them all look at the calendar. And, yeah, that could have been production. It could have been a plant. It could have been a lot of things.

Sure. But, again, we're taking it at face value what we're seeing on the screen. I'm just saying for you to run off like, oh, this is ridiculous. I don't want to no snap. And then you're like cool with walking back in. It just, it was stupid. It was a worth of see. Yeah, and you give Louis a big hug and talk about the calendar.

And yeah. Yeah. And anyway, we get to the softball game. I got to point out. I love pointing it out. I played in that stadium. I coached in that stadium. Brooklyn Cyclones.

I watched Pete Alonzo hit home runs off of that roller coaster and left field. That's pretty sweet. Non-stop during batting practice. Like, I thought he's going to hit one of the people riding. Dude, seems like a loser, though. He's very... He's a really nice guy. He's really nice.

Yeah. He's very kind of like soft-spoken mokey vanilla. Okay. But nice guy. Very nice guy. Great hitter. You and I need to get into that game somewhere. I'll just play for the doctors, honestly.

That is what I was going to get to. Thank you for bringing it up. There you go. We want to play in the softball game. all right we are both former baseball players we both love the game we want to go i want to go hit a home run i think it's fixed it's like a harlem goop trotter situation right yeah that's what i thought two years in a row they came back and like and by the way if you watch those doctors were they doctors they were supposedly doctor whatever the team they were playing against those dudes

could play a little bit they were swing they were hitting the shit out of the ball like i just don't see how those two teams line up unless there's a lot of the third inning they switched sides and they started hitting from the opposite side of the plate or something. I don't know what happened, but yeah, I think it's a Harlem Globe Trotter situation. But the last thing I want to touch on is Jen and Bill. They go to couples therapy. Could Bill Aiden be more checked out of this marriage? Like, this was atrocious.

Like, she's trying. For better or worse, she's trying. But all you get from Bill, you literally get silence. The dude doesn't want to be there. He was smirking, too, at certain situations. I know. Jen's going off about her feelings and talking about her feelings and talking about. about how he doesn't even come in after a long day to say hi he just goes straight to the pool

for three hours yeah straight to the uh pool house but i wanted to call it a pool room goes straight to the pool house comes back in after dinner when everything's already cleaned up like all right i get it like if you're in that situation and you said it best earlier like he wants a 1950s traditional marriage yes where he works he comes home and everything's done for him if that's what you want you can at least check in and say hi and eat fucking dinner with your family. You're not being a husband or a father. No, you're being an asshole. You're being an asshole and you're being neglectful.

Like all she wants, all she wants, Bill, is her husband and time with you. Is that so crazy that your wife, your fucking wife forever, just wants to see you? Just wants you to sit down and have dinner with your children instead of you going, to do plastic surgeries for 16 hours, come home and sit in the poolhouse. It's not like he's coming home and like, oh, I'm gas, you need to go to bed. Yeah.

He's coming home and going out to hang out in his pool house, probably staring at his Ferrari and jerking off instead of going into the house and tending to his family. No, I think it's inexcusable. During that therapy session, which was incredibly hard to watch, the only real thing that he went in depth with was talking about his job. Yeah. He was like, I have so much on my plate.

I work so hard. I provide whatever. I just want to come home and relax Okay, that's fine The therapist did not bite on that Not at all And he checked out the rest of the time He did, he literally did

I wouldn't like if he just didn't say a word The rest of the time And it looked like he was reflecting on it And thinking on it That's one thing He sat there with a smirk on his face while Jim was like bursting out And tears essentially

Talking about how broken their marriage is And the fact that you cheated on her And had a whole affair And now your daughter wants to be a love therapist like it's crazy that you're not sitting there you're a smart guy clearly you are a fucking surgeon how are you not sitting there with any compassion at all i i think that you have now on the head with the 1950s traditional marriage and i also think that like he's a surgeon he's got like this god complex bullshit like lenny has in miami where he just doesn't give a shit like i provide all

of this for you you shouldn't complain about a thing that i do he is the lenny of new jersey yeah that's i'm saying stating that now yeah as unfortunate as it is and now we're gonna lately touch on summer house it was kind of a down episode um kind of get to pick up right where we left off with the whole amanda lindsay carl kyle bullshit that's going on here and at the end of it all it kind of seems like what we talked about last week daniel didn't really mean for it to be what it was she was just giving an answer amanda even forgave her essentially and said, I know that you didn't mean anything malicious. And it really just comes down to Lindsay, Carl, and Kyle.

Kind of. But Danielle just needs to get the fuck out of everybody's business. Yeah. That's what I agree with the night of. Yes, I do agree with you. Yeah. But after watching this episode, like, dude, get out of everyone else's shit. Like, please.

I just, I couldn't really. Oh, you're making faces. We might disagree here. I don't care for the fact that she feels the need to insert herself into all this drama. I don't understand the relationship with Carl and Lindsay. Like, she's all up in arms because they're now neglecting her. Like, they are in a relationship. But that being said, they don't need a third party.

That's what happens. I don't know if it's necessarily like a neglecting thing. I think that it's just weird for her. Like they were, the three of them were best friends. Carl is hooked up with both of them in the past and now he's dating Lindsay. And now it's completely unbearable. Like, it's unbearable for us to watch on TV. I can only imagine how bad it is, like, up close and personal.

Spending weekends and the Hamptons with them, I would blow my brains out. Oh, my God. It would be the worst. Like, they're going to the bar and they're both just standing there, like, holding each other. Like, I love you so much. How much? I love you so many oceans. Like, if you're in your, you're in the confines of your own room, you want to do, like, cutie, weird shit.

Like, yeah, is it cringy? Sure. But every relationship has cringy shit. But it's buying closed doors. There's no cameras in there. It's the public stuff. When you're sitting there with a bunch of people sitting around you and you're doing all that weird shit,

nobody wants to see it. And it's annoying and stop calling each other babe all the time. Seriously. I wish we had a babe. I should have a clicker. Bravo should have that. They should have that. They should have it go out through the whole season.

Yeah, just put it in the lower right hand corner of the screen and just every time to say, Dick. And you know what's going to happen? They'll watch it and then they'll stop calling each other babe probably because it's embarrassing. I sure hope so. God, it's embarrassing. But anyway, so we'll leave it at that. I still think that Amanda's a big cry baby. I think the whole thing could have blown over if she didn't yell. Yeah, I'm talking about the day after. The day after when they get up and Carl's like, I don't really understand like what to do. Like somebody who's been drinking all day, you know, the old Carl would have just like got up and fought them right then and there. But I'm not that Carl. So I'm not going to, like, you can still stand up for your girlfriend even though you're sober. Like all you have to say in that moment. And I think Danielle said it. was just like hey man like chill the fuck out that's it like that's it and like yeah maybe

kyle blows up a little bit but you're it's better than doing nothing just sitting there doing nothing is bad and look do i think that maybe yeah i don't really like that kyle's like calling them all bitches and whatever because again it really wasn't that big of a deal man it just started crying it became a big deal because lindsay decided to jump in and say why she had like lindsay wasn't involved lindsay decided to take it upon herself to give examples of why she's on trustworthy. That's what blew it up. Right, right. And that's kind of at the core of it all. But it is just weird that they, the next morning, just get up and they're like, let's just get out of here. Like, we're out. They bounce. And like, here's my thing with the Carl, Lindsey, Kyle, all of that stuff.

I understand that Carl is sober. I understand that he's dealing with a lot. He's going through a lot. He's trying to find himself. He's trying to fit into the sober thing. Not to like gloss over the fact that, you sobriety is a journey you change as you go through it like some days are easier than others some months some years are easier like it changes as you go so like he's going through it i'm not taking away from that the way that kyle goes about his business how he speaks to him it's not always great he should check himself he even says that though we do always give credit to kyle for being self-aware the day after the day that's the problem is that night though he's sitting there saying like i regret nothing. Everything that I said was entirely valid. And then the next day, he's like,

maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh. But here's the difference, right, between these two relationships. Amanda's sitting in bed with Kyle. Like, you need to control that. You got to stop doing that. You're saying things that, like, you can't really take back and, like, you put yourself in bad positions just because you feel that way. Like, you need to be able to pull it back. Rain it in. Checking it. Putting them in check. Yo, this is wrong. Like, I know you're standing up. Like, you felt a certain way. You can't keep doing that. It's a bad look. Flip through the other room. Lindsay just feeds into Carl Like she just like whatever is wrong with other people

She feeds into that shit She doesn't give productive pragmatic answer She says they have it in for you They don't like you And like I can't imagine And I'm and I've kind of softened up on Carl a little bit Like he's going through a lot Like this is a ton of shit to deal with

I feel that But I just don't feel like any of this is being addressed In a productive way from either side And I don't think he's helping the situation. Like, by just bouncing the next day, you're just avoiding it. Yeah, you're not growing. You're not trying to, like, figure out how you can go about it by having productive conversations. Because you get to see Kyle, like you said, sit there and have that remorse, have that regret the next day.

That might be a really good time to talk to Kyle to try to squash something. And, hey, maybe bring Lindsay into it because I have seen Kyle and Carl talk multiple times. nothing really gets accomplished. They squash it, so to speak, but nothing really happens. And then something pops off the next weekend. You at this point have known Lindsay, if you're Kyle, you're Amanda, whoever, for multiple years, you've spent a lot of time with her. They all just need to sit down and just talk about it.

And at that moment, if Lindsay pops off and she's a huge bitch, then you have an issue. Yeah. If she says, look, I don't like the way that this is happening, you're able to have a productive conversation with both of them at the same time and talk maybe even about their relationship like Danielle White end up doing by the end of the season you might be able to get somewhere a little bit further and at least not have these awkward next mornings where you feel like you have to avoid each other and then it goes by a whole other week and then it really gets awkward the next weekend when you show back up like who wants to spend an entire summer doing that

and I for one am very sad that Summerhouse has turned into this like bullshit emotional game with no partying at all. The whole point was a motionless partying. Yes. Like that was the whole game. Like that's all we want. I don't really, we know everybody aside from Gabby, but Gabby won't shut the fuck up about her astrology shit.

Dude. Oh my God. And this is why, okay, it's people like that, that give the signs people a bad name. The people that always say, like, what's your sign? Or like, I'm a Taurus or I'm an Ares or whatever the fuck you are, the people that take it to the umpt, degree where even the girls at the house are like maybe your door's too shut maybe you shouldn't like ax people from your list because they were born in a certain month and sierra takes a

quick jab she's like a lot of my closest friends are tarses so i like that i like the drama there like that could be fun that's great and sierra's been awesome this year she's the MVP i'm a little hesitant to be like i need to see more of sierra because i feel like where she is right now is kind of like a sweet spot but between like her and Maya like there's a good dynamic going on there where even they're like I don't really know what to think about Gabby like I can't quite get in there I have no idea what she's all about she seems like she's privileged and she's got a lot going on for her that she doesn't really know like when she's talking about setting up for the party and she's like I usually would have just had somebody do this for me it's like fuck you like go out

and do it or just like hire somebody and don't say that or that yeah like hey I've got people come over to the house to do that and like let people make fun of you if that's what you want to do and you just don't want to work, go ahead and do it. Like, is it really that much work to set those things up? No. Some of them are crazy, and it's usually like Kyle's party, Kyle's birthday, whatever. But most of them, there's, like, streamers and bullshit just sitting around. Who cares?

It's not that hard to put it together. You didn't even think about the liquor or the beer or food. Like, what are these people going to be doing during this party? They're going to be starving, and they're not going to have anything to drink either. As of right now, you're throwing a let's stand in a house party. Yeah, with a couple of disco balls in a hot tub. Nobody wants to see any of that So that's kind of where the direction of this show

Is heading is coming home at 11 o'clock at night From a bar that they're like, yeah, we're going to one of our favorite spots tonight This is going to be so much fun We have to go watch Lindsay and Carl make out for a little bit And then a couple people dance And then they're home at 1140 and they're in bed by midnight And then you know what? They're up at 7 a.m. going to Barry's fucking boot camp.

I don't want to watch that. I don't know how many times we have to say this. I do not want to watch that. And I know Steele's daughter's sleeping upstairs, so I'm quieting my voice. I was getting very loud. No one wants to watch that bullshit. Shut it off. Go fucking party.

I don't care. These lame ducks, get them off the screen. Bring in new people and have people party. Leave Kyle there because Kyle still wants to party. And he's fun. And summer should be fun. Last but not least, this is a reunion episode. We are back in Miami.

I have two more of those. Two more of those. Did you hear it tonight? What? Did you hear it on the reunion? No. You didn't? No.

When Marisol comes in, she hits up, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You know what? I think when I saw her and her stupid bedazzled horn, I think I threw up, actually. Well, let's dive into all this episode was was screaming and Alexia being a dick. Like, that's all I got to see. But we start out. and I need to know what the fuck

how do you take a $13 million house and turn it over in a year and a half for $44 million. You know who bought it, right? It was Elon Musk's or Bezos's mom. That's it. Yeah, thank you. So one they overpaid, I'm sure.

And, like, why would you do anything else? Flip houses. Yeah. If you're going to net 30 mil. Maybe that's what he does. He could do that in his spare time. Who knows? Maybe I don't know.

The way that Nicole is talking about it, she's like, Anthony is really business savvy. Like, fucking, you think? Yeah, $27 million profit? Sure. Yeah, that's pretty great. But we start going through, you know, they save. Everybody's got their own, I think, Alexia called it a package. This package is for me.

The first package that we get was Lisa's package. And they haven't seen a judge yet. They haven't gotten divorced yet officially. Lenny is still coming over to the house, which I think is. he's still eating like her food and we get a very big nugget that we didn't hear before she caught these two in a hot tub like two years ago yeah so close for comfort is what they said that immediately i'm like wait a minute two years ago you saw these two together in a hot tub there's no scenario in which you find your spouse in a hot tub alone with somebody

20 years younger where that's a good yeah and it's a good situation yeah and if you can rationalize that away that means that you're in an emotionally abusive relationship and your husband is a huge piece of shit yeah lo and behold he is yeah he is and obviously it's got to be tough

for somebody like Lisa where like she said like she came down she moved to Miami for him her whole life has been him now she has kids with him she lives in this great big house that looks like shit with him and the writing is on the wall and it seems like it's been there for a very long time and she even said that he was taking jabs and the way that he would like argue with her

is to say all right well we're just going to get a divorce like for 15 years he threw that around years like that's crazy and you know what maybe psychological warfare dude maybe eventually you become immune to it and you just don't care what he says anymore but the writing is on the wall there and it's got to be tough because let's be honest like that is your livelihood like the life that you're used to

is because of what Lenny is giving you to think that that might not be there anymore that's got to be scary and who the fuck knows if there's any pre-nup situation at all and nobody's talking about it yet yeah that would be awesome if she just took half a shit like the first thing I would do is just get rid of that damn house just you know

have Anthony come over flip it sell it for 20 mil extra how are you going to flip a compound wrecking ball and a new house and he'll net $24 million off of it. That place is hideous. But yeah, I mean, aside for the

Lisa stuff, it just gets messy. It gets messy because of who? Marisol and Alexia starts during the pot. I think the Marisol did a lot. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Larsa and Alexia. Yes, Larson. Larson is just sticking her nose

in every comment. She has a side comment. Shut up. I don't want to hear from you. I think this is what I think happens. she obviously you know the people on the show get to watch the show before we get to watch it and I feel like she she underperformed the last couple of episodes like she really wasn't there like the beginning of the season she was inserted in Lisa's business then she was inserted in Nicole's business she did the most yeah she was all over the place and then for whatever reason the last like four or five episodes it was all about alexia marisaw adriana and then a little

bit of Nicole and Gertie and whatever Larson it kind of took a back seat so I feel like she thinks that she needs to step up and get inserted a little bit more and she wouldn't shut the fuck up like she wouldn't stop I don't care like I don't want to hear your relationship with Michael Jordan's son like it's creepy and for her to like chime in and go

like it was so funny because you could see what she was doing she's like I don't understand like why the age thing is such a weird thing and like yeah we know were you to sit there and comment on how Nicole should be receiving her father and like her relationship with her dad just accept them you need to shut the fuck up You have no idea what they've been through.

You have no idea the dynamics, what he put her through over the years. Like, it is not up to her to accept that her dad's an asshole. If she wants him to change or she wants him to say sorry. Especially when she's talking about how it's going better. Right. Like, look, things are moving in the right direction. He feels remorseful. Did he ever say, I'm sorry?

No. But they're like, oh, well, he was crying. I felt like that was better than him saying. So I'm like, fuck you. Who cares? You have no input on this at all. I'm just sharing you. I'm just sharing with you what my father and I are going through, and it's getting better.

This is not a point to try to push your whatever feelings. Bull shit narrative. Nicole should be doing at this point. Because he's an old school guy. That's like saying it's okay for old people to be racist because they grew up in a different time. School guys, no, that's not an answer. It's not a cop out. He either needs to change or she might have to remove him from her life.

Like, that's a real thing. like if he's not going to change or take responsibility for what he's done that's part of moving forward in any relationship whether that be with your father spouse friend whomever like if you're going to move on you have to address what you've gone through and for lars to stick her nose and it is ridiculous it was so dumb but that's when we finally get to alexia and woof dude i i have been practicing The face that she does. Really? Do you know the face that I'm talking about? I don't want to. When other people are talking and she's like freaking out and she puts her head back like this and she looks up and then she's looking down at you from up here. And then she goes like this and starts shaking her head.

Wait, I did it. You didn't let me do it. I was doing it. No, it's too late. No, you asked if I could. Well, I was practicing it all day. So this was my big reveal for you. I'm not allowed in your bits tonight.

Well, no. Actually, YouTube saw both. Hey. So we'll be able to clip that and show that out. Forget you over there. Look at you. you looking all good all good over there all good over there all you tubian shit anyway um no that fucking face like and i was thinking about the barracuda too but like i can't stand it and i'm

so happy that marisol even marisol when alexia was talking tonight was like at a loss of words she just couldn't even defend her girl alexia she was erratic it made no sense and she was awful every she contradicted herself almost every other sentence yeah She was saying, like, the only thing that I don't, the only thing I do agree with from a narcissist standpoint is that I'm very self-confident. Everything else is like, blah, blah, blah. And then she slowly starts to explain things. And I'm like, yeah, you sound like a narcissist because you were destined for this.

Because you're refusing to apologize. Like, no, I'm not going to apologize to something that I don't truly believe. That's just who I am. It's like, yeah, but you just did the same terrible thing to somebody else that you condemn someone else for. Yeah, it's contradictory. And agreed with it. And then if somebody brings it up, you say, well, yeah, that was terrible. Okay, well,

you did that same thing. Do you feel bad about that? No. No, because I believed it in that moment. Like, who the fuck are you? That is narcissism. That literally that's textbook narcissism. That is the definition that Adriana printed out, or it looked like she actually, like, cut it out from addiction. It did look like she cut it out of like a magazine or something.

Was it in a magazine you think? I don't know. I pictured her going to the Free Library of Miami. and actually just cutting it out of the dictionary. There's no way she has a dictionary at home. But she says that people resent that she's resilient. What are you talking about? Who resents you for being resilient?

Who's out here saying, God, I wish you went down with your drug cartel husband. You resilient, bitch. No one's talking shit about you. She's just talking about the haters. That's not haters. They're not hating on your resilience. They're hating on you being a hypocritical asshole to everybody in the,

the group there's a reason that that side of the room can't stand you and your confidants are larsa fucking pippin and marisol who claims that nicole drinks more than her this chick never is without a cocktail and she she says it's for branding like what are you talking about what are we supposed to do like be on the lookout for marisole's like line of bedazzled shitty no she is dropping a cocktail line that is real god she's dropping a cocktail line but for her live reveal i'll try them all and spit them all out we don't know No previous seasons. This is our first dive into Miami.

So has she always done the cocktail thing? Can people let us know? Like, let us know if cockies were a mainstay, because if they are, this is not branding, this is you. The question, which I applaud Andy for picking that question or whoever picked it, because we talked about it all season. Like, this is not right. We shouldn't be putting a spotlight on a woman who doesn't eat.

tells us that she doesn't eat that she goes to a fat doctor who says you should be avoiding these types of foods and we never see her eat she's always drinking she just parades around how much that she drinks and makes jokes about it all the time it's got to make a lot of the audience a little uneasy i don't like i didn't like i drink and i had a fucking problem with it like that was problematic for me and andy asked the question and instead of her just taking it she tries to explain it away says that she doesn't drink as much as it shows and show and then says somebody else drinks more than she does. Nicole.

Well, we all drink in this group. Like, no, not to your extent. And if they do, then they're doing it quietly. And then they try to spin it into Nicole's behavior, which, by the way, she said she punched her in the arm. And she, like, she didn't. Marisol put her arm on Nicole's shoulder and she lightly, well, it was more of a shove, but like, get your fucking arm off of me.

Like anybody, it's whatever. That's the action that she points to immediately. because Andy and a viewer asked if they thought it was problematic the Marisol drink so much. And that's where we got to. That's how we got there. Like that's crazy to me. That is psychotic.

That's rationalizing a drinking problem. That's what that is. It's going to multiple lengths to be like, no, no, no, I don't have a problem. This is why I don't have a problem. And now I'm going to point the finger at somebody that does have a problem. Nicole's an alcoholic. What?

And everybody at the same time is just like, what are you fucking know? Yeah, where are we going with this? It makes no sense. but then we get into back to Alexi and she starts it's her and Adriana going back and forth how she rents men for TV because they want to be on TV and blah blah blah and how she won't apologize for claiming that this man was married which 100% should have but then Adriana breaks out receipts from 2020 and she's like well let's not forget you tried to get me to hook up with a married guy I said no because I have morals yeah like she's like I don't remember saying

Like she goes with the, I don't remember defense. And the funniest, funniest, like, most Larsa Pippin moment, most Marcia Pippin thing to do. She's like, why would you bring receipts? It's like a really gross thing to do. Like, read text messages. Have you watched any fucking, any Bravo show period? Not just housewives. Like, reunions come with receipts.

People make bedazzled diamond boxes and binders and extravagant items to throw in the face of other women. What are you talking about, Larsa? Not to mention that the receipt that Adriana had was pretty damning of Alexia. She was specifically urging Adriana to go hook up with this married man and that she did not care. She being Alexia did not care

and said, I think that he's pretty unhappy in his marriage anyway, so who cares? But 2023, Alexia, has an issue with it. Yeah, and can't read a full court document that she went out of her way to print out to prove that this man is actually married with the same woman. that she was urging to hook up with a married man years ago.

So, like, it just doesn't make any sense. She just contradicts herself all the time. She's hypocritical and she's narcissist. Like, what do you want? It's impossible to unravel and unwind. Like, it's literally impossible. And then Larsa just needs to, like, kick rocks. Yeah.

Like, Lisa is sitting there, and in her explanation, trying to help you defend yourself. And you clap back with, well, maybe if you had a little more, more self-confidence, you wouldn't have let Lenny do those things to you. And there's just no awareness there. Like, you need as much support as possible. Not that I think that Lisa would really speak out against anybody on the other side of the room.

I honestly think that Lisa's gone through so much this year. She's neutral. Yeah, she's so neutral. She said everybody was embarrassing. She's fine if other people are going to get into fights because that's going to distract her from what's going on in her life. And she's good with that. But she's not going to insert herself.

She's not going to back anybody up. she's just going to watch. So don't jump down her throat because you're going to push her to the other side of the room. Well, you can see what happened. She got frazzled. She got caught up.

She would have lashed out if Andy said something. It didn't matter who was talking. Yeah, she was going to come back at him and unfortunately for Lisa it was her because she was legit trying to help your argument and then you fucking got as close to the Adriana comment. It wasn't as bad as Adriana's comment

because that's the worst thing ever said by a housewife about Frankie for sure. But you got really. really fucking close. You got really close because this has been a horrible divorce that we've watched unfold over this season. And for you to do that on somebody trying to defend you, you dumbass. Yeah, that's, that's a tough look. It was a bad look. I don't know. Two more episodes of this, we'll have to see how it goes. We'll see if we check out after the second one. Honestly, because after that, I don't have much more fight left in me, coach. Nope.

but that takes us to the question portion of the show sheesh we got a lot all right let's jump in from ronny boy 22 have your friends heard about your podcast and how have they reacted to it great question ronnie that is a good question ronnie um yeah they've heard about it and they are fully supportive they are a lot of them are like quite they don't really know bravo because i mean most of them guys like i don't You know, I don't get it, but... We support you. It's cool.

I get a lot of that. It's funny, it has changed over time. In the beginning, I did get a lot of dudes that were like, really, dude. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I was like, really, bro? You're like a Bravo podcast.

And I was like, really, bro? You're tougher than Bravo. Like, what are we doing here? Why do people give a fuck what anybody watches on TV? Yeah. If you're sitting at home watching cartoons at 50 years old, I don't care. Do what makes it. All the anime, bro.

Yeah. And it's cool. Oh, this is perfect. This is perfect. From not Courtney's stage, in light of hashtag Scandival, do you guys think Lala is being a hypocrite still? Yeah, she didn't know. Yeah. Yes.

Also, I don't like that she's like taking every opportunity to do press. No, it's bad look. And she's spinning things. And I mean, it looks like she did just sign a deal. Six figures is what I saw with some sort of fashion company. I forget who it was. So that's cool. But she's spinning all of this press that she's getting about Sandoval into her.

self and I hate it. Yeah. No, it's not a good look. And no, like, it didn't change our stance. Like, she said all this shit before she knew. That is such a crucial part that is going to get, like, glossed over so many times during this. I bet if somebody were to ask her now, she would, like, oh, did you have an indication that

Raquel was doing something shady? She would have been like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I knew. Like, no, you didn't. You're just being an asshole. The fucking hindsight on this whole thing over the course of the season, because we're still early on. The hindsight is going to be annoying as fuck.

From Mad Martini 1027, do you think Bravo should drop Marge or the Gorgas? Gorgas, I'm coming around on dropping them, only if they just continue this. Because there's really nothing else going on. If they just continue to mix up with the Teresa bullshit, they got to go. Like, somebody's going to have to go.

Maybe Teresa goes and does her own thing, and then you give the Gorgas a year. and see how that pans out. And if it doesn't work, then they go. And then you just revamp the whole show with Danielle. But I could see, I think Marge just, she's a veteran. She plays the game the right way. She's annoying as shit when she starts yelling.

But she can mix things up when there's no other storyline. So I like that. Yeah, I think you need Marge. Unfortunately, she's a necessary evil, so to speak. I think that, let me prove it right now. Tell me one thing going on in Joe and Melissa's life that is not Teresa or Louis-oriented. Anything.

It could be anything. Joe's being sued because he... No, no, no, not from what we saw on Instagram. On the show, from watching the show, from watching what they're presenting, tell me one thing. They're building a house, I think. That's my point. That's my point right there.

What's Teresa doing? She's going to therapy. She's trying to better herself. She's with Louis. She's with the girls. What's Frank doing? Frank's trying to figure out his relationship with Dolores. He's trying to figure out his relationship with Paul.

What's Marge doing? Marge has a broken wrist, and she's starting shit with every, everybody like she has a dynamic with Fessler, Jen and Bill, like people have their shit. What do Joe and Melissa have? Nothing. Zero. That's it. That's all. It's not us being tree stands. That's just

fact. That's a good point. I'll give you this one because you were talking about. You are the fashion police. Oh, let's go. The President Fashion Police. Shooter's fashion corner. So from long time listener slash vision fit member, Kate Quenzer, the fuck is

Katie wearing on Watch What Happens Life. Oh, yeah. I called that out. It's funny because Colleen actually texted me and she said, what the fuck is Katie wearing? And I was thinking the same thing. It looks like she had a dress on. Maybe she had a dress malfunction. She put an aloe yoga hoodie on top.

That's the best I can come up with. What did you think of it? Fucking terrible. Jesus. I thought she looked great. I thought she looked great. There was definitely a dress under that hoodie, right? Look, it's called fashion, dude.

That is not fashion. You don't live in L.A. That is, I think, a strap on her dress broke and she just scrambled and grabbed the hoodie and threw it on top. That's what you think happened? Yes. All right. That is legitimately what I think. There's our answer.

All right, two more. From Cammy B. 97, do you think Jen Aden will ever divorce Bill? We talked about that with Zach today. I'm a little confused on it. So some of it's cultural, right? I think she's Turkish, right? Yeah. And wasn't it an arranged marriage, too?

With Bill? I think so. I don't know. I see, I'm not really positive on that. We should say that if we don't know. That's a good point. So some of it's cultural. I don't know if, because I do know some of, you know, Jen's background, and I don't

know that divorce is part of that. So I feel like they're going to try to stick it out. I mean, it's just, if it gets to a point where he's just completely checked out, la Lenny, and he's cheating on her all the time, then it would be best for her to do it. Yeah, and from like the cultural standpoint, I'm basing that off of her parents. Like her mom has openly talked about how much she hates her husband

and wish that she wasn't with them and all that, but they stayed together for so long. Honestly, yeah, I do. I think they're going to get divorced. No. I don't think they're going to make it. I think that it's a shame. I think that she's finding a voice.

And I think that that's a good thing. And I think that if she continues to go down that path and realizes she really doesn't have a partner, she has enough very strong personalities around her to be like you need to leave i agree with that yeah last one from the shay 812 and we're going to address this because it's important what happened to two podcasts a week all are my addiction other than bravo i'll be they're coming yeah they're coming we're figuring out the schedule with new shows we're trying to get through this reunion period potomac's done we got reunion he's done yeah seems like so

we only have a couple of shows there. Once we get past the reunions, we can start to map out the new. It's tough because we get new reunions every week and it throws a whole different wrench into this whole thing. So once those settle down, once we're through reunion season, then we'll have two a week.

But we are getting there. We promise them they are coming. Plus I need to quit my job so I can just do this full time. Yeah, so do I. So like keep listening. And follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok. We did that already. Yeah, five times.

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That's the one thing I've noticed about this because I start a lot of these episodes. It is. I feel better afterwards. Yeah. Which is in tune with our episode because this is sponsored by Better Help. Another plug.

I'm a plug machine, baby. Let's wrap this shit up. I'm getting delirious. All right. Remember, live show April 27th, Please buy tickets. Come hang out with us. If you get VIP for $29, which is not much,

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