Bros & Shows - Heather Teams Up With Tamra in London (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

What's up Bros? The RHOC ladies are in London for Shannon's trip, and things have taken a turn. Before heading out, Heather takes a crew to get mammograms. While everyone is currently in the clear, Heather finds out that she is at a higher risk than most for breast cancer. She takes offense to nobody in the group asking her how her check up went, insinuating they all asked one another. While we certainly don't want to be insensitive, it did seem like many ladies in the group offered up their own information. We understand feeling a little neglected, but perhaps bring it up to them in the moment or shortly after... Instead of waiting for dinner in London. Alexis claps back at the uninvite text from Shannon with a text that falls drastically short. While in London, Heather and Tamra have a side bar to discuss Shannon's appearance on the Jeff Lewis podcast. Apparently she said something slightly different in regards to John Janssen hearing the wreck. Did she lie? No, she said she hadn't thought about it. But Tamra and Heather take it and run with it and turn it into a huge issue. Things escalate at dinner when both Tamra and Heather question Shannon about it, claiming emotional manipulation, being used and a whole list of issues. Citing Shannon's heart to heart with Heather in Sonoma (and by heart to heart we mean complete breakdown) as evidence of Shannon being a liar? It made very little sense to us. Not sure why Heather is hitching her wagon to Tamra but it is certainly an interesting and questionable move. We'll see how that works out for her... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as on. always by the one and only scootin mc tootin what's up dude you know me just tooting around the world baby just tooting and scooting tootin scooting no matter what you got to do that's what i'm doing right gross yeah yeah whatever welcome back to the show we are here to talk a little rosy and i thought that we were moving on from some of the lawsuit stuff after last week i thought maybe just maybe we can go to London and have a pip-p-p-chirio time but it seems like we can't

and that's a shame because things go south it was wishful thinking what I didn't see coming was Heather hitching her wagon to Tamara which I could not disagree with more it's one of the more baffling decisions made by Heather who's usually a little more calculated than that a little smarter than that this was a bizarre turn for her on this episode I don't know what's going on. Did you feel the same way? I felt really weird watching Heather this episode. It just seemed odd. It seems, I don't want to use the word forced, especially for the mammogram stuff, but it just seemed unlike her normal behavior. The Jeff Lewis thing was definitely forced. That was a weird. Like we have to talk about this. Like, why do we have to talk about this?

Like, I just don't really understand it. And coming from Heather didn't really make a whole lot of sense because usually she doesn't mix it up with that type of stuff. Usually that's, that's Hamra's role. That's somebody else, like maybe Emily would call or Gina had seen it. Like, Heather getting involved in that seemed weird because she doesn't usually go that low. Yeah, it was trite for her. It was something that's beneath her. It's like the low hanging fruit. And it also, and we're going to save it for later when it actually comes up. But it made no sense. The argument that they were posing made no sense. And she's usually got way more tact than that. It was a sloppy mishandling. I did not care for it. She came out looking like,

shit, been getting dragged on socials. Anytime you hit your wagon to Tamara, it's a messy move to begin with. This season in particular, very gutsy move because Tamara's been a moron the entire season. So we'll talk more about it later, but let's just jump right into this episode because we just got done Roslick, so we're all warmed up. We got the vocal cords warmed up. Yeah. I don't know if I would use, I don't think I would say warmed up for our second episodes.

They tend to go off the rails. yeah but you know you know warm yeah you are i'm toasty back here by my cozy little studie bro you got a lot fire going no not yet it is fire see it's been too hot it's been weirdly hot for october i don't know what's going on but we start out at the doctor heather is concerned about all of her friends and herself they want to go get some mammograms i guess she had asked the group previously like hey when the last time got checked it had been years for some of them So I thought it was a great idea, very loving idea. Hey, everybody, let's go together and get mammograms.

It did remind me. Do you know what we have to start doing when we turn 35? Colidoscopies. Prostate exam. Yep. Which is up your butt. Same thing. Yeah.

I don't. Is it? Maybe. I don't know. I think a prostate exam is fingers. Oh, don't do that. Yeah, you don't offer their fingers at me. What the fuck?

And then the colonoscopy is. actually a camera if I'm not. I stopped the colonoscopy goes like through your colon to check your track and everything. I think one one can lead to the other. Sure. I don't know. I'm I am no doctor. I am definitely not a doctor. Nor are we lawyers. I was just reminding you in a couple of years. It's our turn, Bell. But anyway, let's get back to back to the business. And we start out talking about the Alexis text and they asked Shannon like hey did you send that text and she's like yeah of course I did and Alexis's response and I already posted about this on our page was just one of the dumbest paragraphs I think I've ever read there was no strategy to it she clearly didn't do any

critical thinking on how it was a false text to make she goes off and says I'm just going to You know what? Fuck it. I'm going to read it. Just read the whole text for us. I'm just going to read the whole text. Hi, Shannon Bador. Since you're hosting this amazing trip to Europe with our friends,

surely you can scrounge up the funds to pay my future husband, his $75,000 that you borrowed and owe him. Safe travels. Let's break this down. Okay. Sick shout out that you're getting married to John Jansen, who you've been dating for four months. That sounds very, very reasonable and not totally crazy.

Let's go to the next part. surely you can scrounge up the funds to pay my future husband his $75,000. She has offered to pay you this $75,000 with the simple agreement that he signed a non-disparagement, which he cannot do because he wants to continue to try to prove that he's a good guy, and he's a great guy, so he needs to be able to do that and not sign this piece of paper. So again, she has tried to give the money. He said, no. Third, she's not paying for this fucking trip.

It's a Bravo trip. it's a cast trip is she foot in some of it maybe maybe the bag she bought of the burberry scarfs but to say that she can pay for the lawsuit because she's paying for this trip is so dumb so short-sighted that even somebody is unhinged and dumb as alexis and john jansen because you know john read this text message before it went out he definitely proofread it to make sure it sounded good neither of you had the wherewithal to look at this text and go wait a minute some of this doesn't track, we're going to sound stupid and we already look pretty dumb. It would be even worse if we put out a really bad text message that made no sense and made us look even

dumber, especially considering I have this false hope that somehow I'm going to exonerate myself and get people to think I am a good guy. Do you know what's going to make people not think you're a good guy? Constantly reminding us on TV that, hey, I'm just a good guy. Shannon, tell them I'm a good guy. I'll accept your money. This is the most recent one. I'll accept your money if you say in a statement that I'm a generous person. Shut the fuck up, dude. If you were a generous guy and you didn't need Shannon's money,

you claim to never have needed Shannon's money, you didn't do that. She didn't pay your way. It's a really weird way to defend yourself by asking her for more money. If you didn't need it, why the fuck are you suing her for $75,000, dip shit? and then doing it under the guise of, I'm a good, generous dude.

You look like a fucking moron, and then you send this dumb-ass text with a Lexus on board that doesn't make any goddamn sense. I hate these two, not in a fun, ooh, I'm glad they're on the showway.

In a, I want to trip them for the right, I just want to walk by them constantly and continue to trip them or watch them stub their toe for eternity. Yeah, just flat tire the shit out of them.

Yeah, no, I fully agree with you, but I took this as a, a, this isn't a Lex's last ditch effort. You didn't get invited to the cast trip. You are pissed. Your job at Bravo, your job is a friend of, it's done.

It's kaput. There's no reason for you to be on the show. This is all you're doing. Maybe by sending that tweet or that tweet, maybe by sending that twax, oh, my God, Jesus. Maybe if I say that text, it's going to give them something to talk about while they're over in London. No. They probably won't.

Honestly, we're going to get it out of the way now before we, even leave because you are dumb enough to send that text you and johnny jay are just laying in bed talking about what you can do you proofread it 50 fucking thousand times i'm sure sitting next to him just making sure that all of the words that he told you to write are in that text and it's positioned exactly how he wanted and then you send it out just so you can get talked about while you're not there yeah they'll probably talk about you in the way of hey shannon what's going on with that fucking lawsuit are we still talking about this we're more talking about jeff lewis than we are about you at this point because of all the things that are going on and you are going to get nailed

to the cross for this because we're going to find out more things that you did so here is your last ditch effort to throw it out there i'm not going to london i get no more camera time i'll be on the reunion but that's about it alexis you're done you're done here there's nothing more you can do she had a brief stint on the reunion and andy said simply she was a lot that's all we've heard from the reunion. She was a lot, which you're cooked. Yeah, there's no reason for you to be here. You didn't have to be here this season. They would have done just fine without the dark parts of Shannon getting kicked back into this hole she's trying to climb out of. And now not only as Tamara tied herself to it, but now Heather's jumping on board randomly. And I'm not sure why.

I really truly don't know why, but they all get checked out. Everyone's in the clear for now. but Heather does get some alarming news that she's far more likely to get breast cancer within her lifetime. So she's concerned. Everyone does check on everybody else. I didn't take it as they didn't care about Heather. And I'm sorry if I'm being insensitive. But as I watched this scene, did you see where she was coming from? No, not really.

No, I don't want to be rude either. When I had watched this, so I watched this twice. And when I watched it the second time around, obviously, I was looking for more there. And it didn't really seem like it because everybody that was there, Jen had said originally, I noticed a lump about five months ago and I want to get it checked out. So obviously people are going to say, hey, Jen, to herself. Yeah. Called attention to herself.

And she came out of that exam room saying it was just, you know, it was part of my implant or whatever it was. You know, it's nothing to really be worried about. Great. Awesome. But she had said that. She offered that information immediately. I feel like they all offered it. I don't feel like, right?

The only one who didn't was Gina. And it's because they heard her. cheering in the exam room. So you say, oh, I heard you guys cheering, everything good in there. Great. Awesome. Done. Shannon offered up her information right away. Heather didn't. Heather didn't say anything. She's just mad that people didn't ask her, which again, I'm with you. You got to tread carefully on something like this because it is scary. Obviously, it's really scary. I don't blame her for not sharing. And I get part of it where people didn't check up on her because she didn't offer any information. So it's one of those situations where because she didn't offer, you would kind of

expect somebody to turn and say that, and it is scary. So I don't blame her for any of that. I do think that she took it a little too far later, but it wasn't that crazy. It wasn't like one of those we don't care about Heather situations. People were just leaving. And you know, you didn't offer up the information like everybody else did. So it kind of just got swept under the rug and nobody really noticed. That's what I was thinking. Like it didn't seem they were trying to be rude. And could you like get upset about it? Sure. Then just mention it like, hey, no one asked about me to bring it up later in London I thought was a strong move yeah but again that that furthers my point of I'm not really sure what she's doing right now she's usually very composed

and how she moves we didn't see that this was a much more unhinged heather than I think I've seen in the past two years yeah I agree it just didn't make like every time she did something I was like that's weird that's really not your MO especially tying herself to Tamara over here who's a fucking train wreck yeah made no sense but we get a quick touch with Tamara and Eddie and they're talking about the tea party and I love just hearing how she talks about interactions when we've watched it right we've seen this go down we saw the the tea party with Jen and yeah she was dismissive because she's tired of your shit the way that you paint it was oh she didn't have time for me like oh you know she always does this and like she yeah she said she did as she always did and she just kind of like brush her way like hey yeah okay sure like we'll talk about it like she it's almost as if tamra went into that saying hey jen i know that we have some things but maybe we can talk about it later that was jen's idea jen said i don't want to do this right now because this is about shannon and yeah maybe we can

figure it out later jen i thought was in that scene very strong and she stood her ground and she didn't want to talk about it because she even said to ryan leaving i'm not going to do this today because i know what tamara's going to do she's going to give me some weak-ass apology and try to move on and then act like for friends again, only to do the same thing later, which she doubles down on a little bit later in a confessional in this episode. That is what Jen did, and that's what she accomplished. And that's what she wanted to accomplish going into this. I'm not going to let her do that.

Tamara, of course, because she didn't let her do that, is going to diminish what Jen actually did. She could have just said, if you guys are friends, which you claim to be friends, and you're in a good place and you finally fought back to be in a good place, you might go to Eddie and say, yeah, you know, I don't really blame her. She didn't want to talk about it. but I think that we'll resolve it at some point. No, she makes it, it makes it like Jen's weak and she can't do it and that Tamara's the one who's going to dictate everything.

It's so annoying. It's so tired to watch her do this. And I'm just happy that Jen is finally calling her out for all this bullshit. She's one of those people that thinks that just because you say sorry, people accept your apology. Regardless of whether it's heartfelt or they're ready to move on from it, it's like, well, I apologized. What's the problem?

Why are you still mad at me? Then you call Ryan a bitch boy again. and then we get the It's like uncomfortable too He does like Yeah, Eddie's over He's like stop

He's like just He literally says Do this anymore Yeah And she keeps going She calls him a little bitch Again at the end of the scene It's like

God he looks uncomfortable He like he doesn't We don't like to read into marriage It's too much But he looks miserable He doesn't look like a happy dude Honestly Like whether that's marriage involved or not

I don't know He just simply does not look happy period He can take from that what she will I love that Ryan And I don't we don't like Ryan I don't like Ryan. For the record. I know.

Someone said you guys defend Ryan. Yeah. I said this to myself from the scene too. Like people have come at us on Twitter and shit like, oh, he's Ryan defends. Like, no, we don't think he's a good dude either. I don't get it twisted here. But he paints exactly what Tamara does. Apology, blow it out of the water.

Apology, blow it out of the water. That has been her and Jen's friendship for the past two years at least. We've watched it. We've seen this role. roller coaster and we were both shocked at the beginning of the season when Jen's like, oh, we're good now. And we both were like, that's a dumb idea. She's going to fuck you over again.

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Katie has been completely benign for the past three episodes in a positive way. She's done much better in the later half of the season than when she came on because she came in way too hot, tried to do way too much. It got messy. She tries to clean it up. And now she's just going with the flow. we get this great friendship between her and Jen, which is very entertaining. She's doing very well.

And she's also not trying to incite any violence or negativity anymore. And Heather still can't get out of her. They're the only two in the airport. They're standing there waiting. And she's like, oh, here we go. Like the long silence. Like just talk to her, bro. Like, what the fuck?

Don't remember one word answers. Like, try. Like, what do you want her to do? I don't understand that like, yeah, clearly if you don't want a friendship, that's fine. But still just like fake it. don't go to your confessional and say, oh, I guess early bird gets the Katie.

God, I don't want to be here. I wish I was a little late. Like, who cares? She's nice. Like, yeah. Yeah, if I was going to be stuck in the airport with one person in that crew and it was Katie,

I'd be like, all right, cool. She seems like she's interesting to talk to. Like, seems normal. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal that you need to go to your confessional and bring it up. Like,

no, but she continues to disparage Katie. And it's like, if you can't get over this paparazzi thing from fucking five episodes ago, six episodes like we're over it it wasn't that deep gino was the main culprit like are a big part of this whole thing you're fine with her but you want to hold on to this shit with katy and it makes no goddamn sense to me i don't know what the hang up is with her because it's not playing

well now now it just looks heather's looking worse and worse and just continues to this whole episode but they get to the hotel and get the burberry scarfs which are very nice you know and they're all legit they're like $600 scarfs and I love Jen's line like shit you got to give me a knockoff I wouldn't have cared I'm like I actually believe that you're one of the few people that say that and I'm like you know what you're probably telling the truth right now Heather's reaction to it was similar to Tamras and this was my second part this episode I was like what the fuck is what's going on because Tamara's like well you have money to pay for scarfs but you claim that I'd have $75,000 No, she doesn't. No, she did not. She offered to pay the full amount. And you know that,

Tamara. You know that because she told you and told all of us. We're all on the same page here. So you can't just do that. You can't just say that. And then Heather voices the same thing. I'm like, what the fuck's going on right now? Like, why are you jumping on this bandwagon? And why are you saying something once again that we know to not be true? The full amount was offered. offered and denied. So what are we doing now? And Heather, what the fuck? What did Shannon do to you that we don't know about that you're suddenly putting her in your crosshairs? Like, what's going on? I think all of this, all the confessionals that we're seeing from Heather especially, it's all put in hindsight from basically this episode, all the things that transpired in this episode between reading way too far into the Jeff Lewis interview, which I can't wait to talk about that. There's nothing there. And then going even further into saying that she's setting you up and you. using you later in the episode like that is where heather's animosity towards shannon is coming from in these confessionals where she feels like Shannon's just been playing me Shannon's been playing me since day one like I don't want to do this so yeah now I am going to jump on the other side

and again it doesn't hit because we know that she did offer the full amount she didn't have $75,000 when she was asking for it a couple years ago from Johnny Jay but she hasn't now why don't you just take the gift and move on it's playing a lot like how Emily did towards Jen earlier in the season about getting her hair and makeup done, which she backed off on fully this episode, which I was happy to see. But still, that's the same type of thing that we're seeing across the board from them. I just don't understand it. Like, just who cares?

Just take the gift and walk away. I have no, it makes no sense that she co-signs on this, this Tamara thing. I was baffled. I'm like, what a weird move. You're not doing yourself any favors with the audience or the friend group, for that matter. But that's when Tamara and Heather start to talk about the Jeff Lewis thing. now I'm like oh shit like what did Shannon say there is one point where I'm like all right kind of I guess where it's like she needed a loan and wanted like a low interest loan

couldn't get it or went to John and said well you have money he gave her the money we find out later he sent like a whatever note two days after claiming it was a loan whatever the details there are that would be my only potential sticking point where I'd be like okay that's an interesting tidbit that we haven't heard before if you want to get stuck on that and dig into that a little bit, I could see potentially where you have some ammo, but that's not what they get stuck on. She gets stuck on the fact that when she had her breakdown in Sonoma, when Shannon had her breakdown, I was talking to Heather, shows her picture of the DUI and like all the damage

she did to her face and says, how did he not hear me, whatever. Jeff Lewis asks the same question, why didn't he hear you? Or do you think he did hear you? She says, I haven't thought about that. that that is not the same as lying about it that could be a thousand different things i don't want to talk about this on jeff lewis i don't want to get into this with him because we know how jeff lewis is he's going to keep poking that's well jeff jeff loves shannon he always plays for her so i i don't think that it's one of those situations that we froze to that again you froze

like really hard just do it again well jeff loves shannon we've known that for a little while he always he always stands up for her he always puts her in a good life So I think that Shannon could have just said all of these things, but I agree with you. Maybe she just didn't want to get into any of that. And it was hard enough for her to get through that when she was talking to Heather when they were on their little retreat. So yeah, maybe she just doesn't want to do it on a radio show.

It has nothing to do with you. That's the biggest thing. It has nothing to do with you. It's not personal. And Tamara says, Shannon emotionally manipulated Heather. How? Doing what? By having a friend heart-to-heart moment or she's having a mental

and emotional breakdown shows a picture of the damage that was caused in a DUI that she's desperately trying to make up for. And somehow that turns into emotional manipulation because she said on a podcast, I haven't thought about it. That's not the same thing as saying, no, he didn't hear me. That would be a lie. Or I don't even know how else you would paint it to lie about that, but she did not tell a lie.

And the fact that they're both stuck on it and they look like two giggling school children that just like figured out like, a secret, they're like, ooh, we got this in our back pocket. Let's save this for later. And you know when the camera's cut, they're both sitting there chit-chatting about this, riling each other up, how Shannon has been using them, and Shannon's playing the victim. And I can't believe she thinks she can get over on us. We're not going to let that happen because she told us that Johnny Jay must have heard the car.

And now she's telling Jeff that he didn't. That's not what she said. She said, I haven't thought about it, which again could be easily chalked up to. Jeff, I don't want to talk about this on her. Period. That's it. It's a very different thing. The other thing is, looking at it this way, she told Heather during a scene of the show, which isn't going to come out for, what, six to eight months from now, versus doing it on Jeff's radio show that will come out the very next day or that day even.

So she's right in the middle of all of this. She's dealing with the lawsuit. She's going to court for all of this shit supposedly at this point. They're moving forward with the full lawsuit. So maybe she just doesn't want to get into any of that because she can't. And yes, she's talking about a little bit here and there about the lawsuit because it is news. She talked to her lawyers about this, but there's probably some things that maybe she just doesn't want to get into because she can't. And it's going to put her in a worse position. And if she starts actually painting Johnny Jay as a terrible person by saying, you know what, it doesn't make any sense that he didn't hear that.

And then he can go back after her. Maybe she's just tired of dealing with all of that. I mean, we'll talk about it more later when we get to the dinner. But it's just, it's very strange. it's strange to witness i don't know what the what the play is uh i'm not enjoying it really it's not like fun tv but we'll talk about it yeah we'll talk about it more at dinner but up until then not a whole lot really happens this episode we get some fun london stuff and here's the thing okay if you're doing the wacky let's all put on the london bucket

hat the union jack bucket hat yes it's saying that we're tourists but that's the that's the stick. It's just one of those stupid silly. Like, just take the fucking picture, guys. Like, you're not too cool to be dorky. I don't like when, it's like when people don't wear costumes to costume parties. You know, it's a bugaboo of mine. I've been to London about 15 times, and I am not going to be seen with any of these tourists. I've been here enough that people know me. All right, enough. Just go have fun of friends. Yeah. Just take a silly picture and a silly hat. Like, Jesus, it's stuff like that annoys me, but they go on the boat ride on the Thames. Everyone hates it

except for Emily. The Timms. Tims. That's how they call it. That's how they pronounce it. The Tims. I would you like to go down to the Tims for a quick boat ride? The Thames.

The Thames. It is Thames. You're not British. You don't call it the Timbs. You would totally be wearing a You would 100% be that fucking idiot in France that's like I'll have a croissant. Well, of course. Yeah.

It's all they say. It's the Thames. All right. We're from the United States. You are not British. You don't call it the Timbs. Hello. We'd like to book down to the teams. I'm going to go, I'm going to go bop down in the Timbs for a while. That's not you. I don't. That's stupid. But I've only heard it called the Timbs. I don't, I've never heard of it called the Tims. I've never heard of called the Tims. I've never heard of that. We're going to do the Google. It's the River Thames. It's not the Thames or it's the River Thames. We're doing this now. They were doing Google pronunciation. Oh, it's Thames.

it's not so you're wrong too you said timms it's thames tims no so you're an idiot too no timbs no we're both dumb okay i feel better now i'm okay with us both being stupid but during the dinner prep everyone's getting ready doing their glam this that the other and i i was a little annoyed that it comes back up again but then i realized like this just solidified it for me the issue that gina has is gina's just a little envious that Jen's situation is different than what hers was when she was struggling because we talk about glam again. Why is Jen getting glam when she's having financial issues? Oh, because Ryan's paying for it. Period. End of story. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. She's got to do it to pay for it. It is what it is. I'm sorry you didn't have that same situation.

Hats off to you for pulling yourself out of the gutter. You did a great job. It's not the same thing. Yep. No, and that's really all it is. And I was at least happy to see that Emily took this opportunity you to really not talk about it. You know what? Whatever. I've learned my lesson. I don't really want to deal with this anymore. I've already made my bed. And you know what? I'm done with it. I don't want to question it anymore because I feel like it might be a bad look. That is called looking inward. That is called having an idea of how people are going to perceive this. I'm not going to talk too much about this because you know what? It could come off as me being a little dushy and I'm not going to do that. And she's learned. And I like that. That's having some sense of a

situation. She doesn't even want to get involved. Gene is probably a little surprise. Like, wait a minute, what do you mean? A couple of weeks ago, you were all over there. No, you're not. We're going to go back and forth. It took me a couple of weeks to join the party, but why are you not doing this with me right now? What the hell? Yeah, riff with me, dude. Fuck. But Jen and Katie are having a conversation about Tamara. And Jen brings up what we keep hearing Tamara say. She doesn't want to go backwards. And she says what we're all thinking. Then why bring the shit up? Why are we talking about the Ryan stuff again? Why do you keep doing this and railroading our friendship and expecting me to come to you and be like it's all good just because

you said i'm sorry and this was an interesting part because she says she keeps talking about this ryan stuff and associating with bad stuff and it does make me start to think and i'm like uh-oh she planted a little seed in there and now you're and by the way you probably should be a little concerned like you should be asking some more questions when you guys are at home and maybe trying to get to the bottom of this and if he gives you the same answers that we've heard thus far

that he's a real estate developer that develops real estate he works at home and that he goes to Vegas because his good friend goes to Vegas and they love going to Vegas and he goes to Vegas a lot because his friends at Vegas

and he likes to go to Vegas because it's Vegas and he goes there. He runs a, how do I say this without getting in trouble? A bookie program? Yeah, he's a book bookmaker for entrepreneurs. Uh-huh.

Yep. Something along those lines. If you get those run-around answers, you probably have more reason for concern. I would imagine that having a little bit of doubt placed into your brain, even if it was via Tamara's probably not the worst. You should probably ask some questions, at least to get on the same page in case you have to have to answer more questions in the future. You know, just a little.

Just think contingency plans, people. We got to think about the steps. Make sure you're covered on all ends. But we get to dinner that dinner ate at the Londoner, and it's a five-course meal that they planned. And Heather starts to talk about the mammogram stuff. And we've discussed this. And could she be in her feels about it?

Yeah. And rightfully so, that's scary news to get. And maybe she felt neglected by the rest of the group in that moment. Yeah. I'm not telling her how to feel. if that did happen, I guess my issue was the approach to it. Like, no one cares about me. Nobody cares about Heather.

And immediately when the group starts to realize, like, oh, shit, did we overlook Heather? I'm so sorry. Like, we would never overlook you. Tell us more about what's going on with you. They're clearly remorseful for something that they overstepped. And if that's, they're overlooked. And if that's the case, and they immediately copped to it, like, oh, shit, Heather,

I'm so sorry. Like, we didn't even put two and two together. And like you said, a lot of them. offered the information. It wasn't that people were asking one another. If you felt the type of way, fine. It's one of the few times I agreed with Gina where she's like, just come to us before. Like the hypocrisy here's crazy. You tell us to come to you when we have issues. You had an issue that easily could have been squashed back in the States. This is not an overseas argument. This doesn't need to carry the Atlantic. And taking even a step further, isn't this what you're now mad at

Shannon for doing, waiting for the show. You could have just done this if you were really upset about it. And again, you and I were treading carefully on it. But everybody that was there, all of those women could have gotten really bad news. They could have gotten scary news. I think it's fine if they're in their own heads and just thinking about their own results, their own things going on and offering it to the group. You didn't offer it to the group, which is, you know, you're prerogative. But you wanted them to ask you, no one else was ask necessarily, except for Jen, because she actually said something up front to the examiner saying, hey, there's something that I notice and I'm a little scared about this. So yeah, they're

going to check in on her, but everybody else is in their own heads about this because they could have gotten really bad news. They could have gotten. Gina was petrified. She says there's the scariest 15 minutes of her life. So for there to be a moment where maybe they're thinking about just themselves, this is going to be it. But if you bring it up to their attention, they're going to feel bad about it. And they're going to ask you everything under the sun to make sure that you're okay. So, look, I think that a little bit of grace should be offered to Heather, of course, if she's upset about this, then she wanted people to reach out because she is scared about this. Fine, that's okay.

I get that. But also, extend that same grace to the other women who could have actually had bad news, who maybe were in their fields for a little bit and thinking about themselves just for that moment. It's okay. It's not that big of a deal. Way to bring it up a week later while you're in London instead of just doing it right then and there, or a couple days later, sending a text message, whatever. Waiting for the cameras to go on is exactly what you're claiming that Shannon is doing.

So it's not a really good look. It's a little hypocritical. Well said. Well said. We get to learn more about Katie and her birth mom. I think that she's very interesting. I think this is a very interesting story. Absolutely.

I'm like, oh, wow. Like your mom was 15 working in a factory when she had you and couldn't keep you. So you had to be adopted. Almost had you in the factory that she was working like. That's fucking wild. Yeah. tell me more about that and Heather again she has like six strikes against her name this episode she's like I think this is a really interesting story because Emily points out what I was seeing

I was like wow Heather's kind of connecting right here she's actually listening she's engaging she's intrigued she's being polite maybe not the moment to like start pointing at both of them and saying that no maybe talk about it a couple minutes later but yes that have a little more yeah for a story that's that heavy maybe just wait until the story is over before before you cut them off by pointing at them. Yeah. I concur. But regardless,

goes to confessional, I think this story is very interesting. Too bad she isn't. It's like, what do you mean? Why do you have to take a day? Like, what has she done to you that is so bad

other than bring up the rumor that's already been out there? The story is about her. The story is interesting and she's not, that doesn't make sense to me. Maybe there's just more than meets the eye, Heather. Maybe give her a fucking chance. I get it if you're going to feel some type of way because she started off the season like that

and you're going to make sure that she's okay for a little while until you give her a chance. But you can't say the story is interesting and she's not. That doesn't make sense. Tamara tried to railroad Heather all last season. And now we're watching her or team up with her at the dinner table to go after Shannon out of nowhere. This came so far to left field, but you can't give a newcomer who took the bait from Gina, went a little too far with it and has since been trying. very hard to get back in your good graces.

You can't extend that same grace to her just to hear. You're listening to this pretty incredible story of how she came into the world and now she's going back to meet her birth mom. It's pretty fucking interesting and she's the root of it. So she, therefore, is interesting. Can you not give her five fucking minutes of being actually nice and not go to a confessional two weeks later and be like, yeah, fuck her.

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And she finally says, it's my right to talk about it if I want to. They're saying whatever the hell they want. My publicist or my lawyer told me, look, if they're going to keep barking shit out in public about you, you do have a right to go defend yourself. And she went on the Jeff Lewis podcast to do so because he's a friend. So she was able to discuss it. This is the sticking point that could have worked, like the loan thing, where it's like, oh, he said that he gave me the 75K, and then two days later sent me a promissory note,

I believe that's what it's called, to say that this is a loan after the money was already given to her. So therefore, it is not a loan. It could be seen as you knew about this. You knew he tried to make it a loan. You didn't sign it or it wasn't offered as a loan. So therefore, legally, I don't know how much ground you have to stand on. Again, not lawyers nor doctors, but that would have been, okay, I think it's a dumb argument, but sure, go back and forth about that, but it goes to the lying thing again.

Like, you lied, and it's disturbing to me. This is where Heather jumps in, and this has nothing to do with you, Heather. This has literally nothing to do with you. And you say, you show me this disturbing picture, you tell me these disturbing things, and then you lied about it. When did she lie? She said, I've never thought about it, which could mean a million things. She did not lie. This is also not a personal attack, and this is not about you.

Can you also not get out of your own ass, Heather, and say, oh, wow, she's had a fucking hell of a year, went on a podcast, and didn't want to answer a question. So she said something that also wasn't a lie. It wasn't negating what she had told Heather previously when she was having a full-blown meltdown in Sonoma and leaned on a friend, and that friend takes that instance, this is so scummy to use the picture, say that you, like, the way that she presents it is you, you showed me this disturbing picture to invoke emotion out of me and told me this disturbing story to invoke emotion out of me.

Then you lied about it. You used me. I feel used. You're not part of this. You can't be used if you're not a cog in this machine. Fuck off. What a weird stance to take. I don't know who hurt you in the past week that you're trying to take it out on Shannon.

I don't know if Tamara's got dirt on you or you two are having this weird buddy, buddy behind closed doors. It's an awful, awful look. And Tamara coming off the high rope saying whatever the fuck she wants to say and saying you're not the victim, Shannon. What is she then? She's the victim of this lawsuit from a wannabe celebrity fuck boy, a loser X reality TV star. And yes, she is in fact the victim. watching this transpire where she continues to get dragged week in and week out by two morons. And now they've got two more morons to join the show.

It's dumb, dumb, dumb, dumber and dumbest. Welcome to the fucking show. I can't believe I'm sitting here talking about Heather and Tamara as a team. I thought Heather was smarter than that. Clearly, she's not. Nope. And Tamara was licking her chops. She was just waiting for somebody else to go after Shannon because she's been doing it by herself.

And Alexis is not good enough of a player. Alexis cannot handle it. She doesn't actually have any good points. Everything that she's doing is coming from a statement that Johnny Jay made that she's twisting into her own words. Tamara can't team up with her. She can team up with Heather. I have no idea why Heather is now taking this position. It makes no sense.

If you just look back like you said to that instance, she was having a full-blown breakdown on that trip because of people bringing up that Alexis had videos from Johnny Jay of that night. That is horrifying. She went to Heather, who's usually a pretty much. logical person who's usually a pretty good friend and started going through all of it and showed her a picture of her weakest moment and you're going to make it about you why because she didn't cop to the exact same story wouldn't it have been weirder if she said i just talked to Heather about this and went through all of this and shared the personal details of that like yes it's on camera but it's again not going to come out for another six to seven months she doesn't want to talk about it on

the radio show it's as simple as that she doesn't want to get into that because you watched how set that made her when she talked to you. Do you want her to get that upset on a radio show? Probably not. How about you just let her lie? She's going through enough right now. Don't make it about you. This has nothing to do with you. Tamara just waiting for that opportunity to jump off from the top rope like you said and then even go to her confessional and say this is Shannon's M.O. This is Shannon to a T on this TV show. She did it with David. She used to plant little things here and there so that we get to talk about it on camera. So then she can have a whole storyline about this. Tamara, your storylines are literally

all about other people, always about other people. You brought a friend onto the show to tear her down for a storyline for yourself so that you could be the villain, so that you could be a bully on the show, and it gives you something to do because that's your role on this TV show. You do not get to sit here and then claim that Shannon does the same thing and say that you don't? Like, that's the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. It makes no sense.

And her teaming up with Heather is even worse. We have agreed, Tamara is pretty good for the show, but leave Shannon alone. And if you're going to team up with Heather now, you're both enemy A or enemy A and enemy B. That's as simple as it is. I agree. And it goes further where Shannon bounces because you don't want to take this shit anymore. And she's like, oh, she's probably running towards the bar. And does she go get a drink?

Yeah, she does. Here's the thing. And this could not be more black and white. What a dumb ass you are, Tamara. We've watched all season. Have we agreed with Shannon drinking? No, not necessarily. Has she done it?

Yes. Have we watched her do it? Yes. Has she been a mess? Not one time. Tamara has been fucking hammered so many times. She fell while she was trying to leave Jen's house. She pissed on a patio. She stuck a finger in somebody's butthole at a bar. This is not somebody that has a healthy relationship with alcohol. And you're still trying to point the finger at Shannon because she got a DUI, just because you get a DUI does not mean you're an alcoholic. Let me get that out there immediately.

Does it mean there's cause for concern? Absolutely. Should Shannon reevaluate her relationship with drinking? 10,000%? Yes. Should she be drinking? Probably not. For Tamara,

in the biggest glass house in the world to throw stones is so comical that I didn't even get upset. It was more just a funny fucking moment or I'm like, you really think that you of all people can comment on her drinking when we've seen your behavior year in and year out and just in the past three weeks we've seen you be a fucking mess. You couldn't walk to your Uber. Shannon's had a few drinks this season and has yet to have a moment. And she deserves to have a moment more than anyone because of what you fucking

people keep putting her through. So for her to say that was astounding. I'm like, you really don't see yourself at all, do you? You're such a sad, mean, evil fucking person that you're not seeing the insecurities that you're spewing out because you think that about yourself. That's all I'm seeing now. I've seen through the bullshit. She is commenting on her own behavior through Shannon because it makes her feel better about the shitty place in life that she's at right now because she's just miserable. Her husband's fucking miserable. So she picks the easy target. Here's a friend of mine that's going through the worst part of her life. Drinking's attached to it. I'm going to fucking hammer this home because it makes me look less like a

piece of shit. Meanwhile, all it's doing is making her look like the biggest piece of shit. So I don't even get upset anymore when I see it. I'm like, this is simply projection because of your own shitty life right now. And I feel sorry for you. I genuinely got to the point where I feel sorry for Tamara because she's so fucking miserable. And Shannon even can stand up and say, I'm not a fucking victim. I'm getting myself out of this. I'm moving forward. Tamara, what the fuck are you doing? Because you've been the same person so you've been on this show. And that's embarrassing. Sure is. Good tear down session. That felt good. That feel better now. But the best cherry on top. The chocolate fudge to my Sunday,

the shooter to my Magooter, is the text that Shannon unearths from 2018 by typing in Alexis his number, it pops up. Is that how she found it? I don't know. I don't care. But she finds a text because we saw on episode one that she accused Alexis of being involved in starting the lawsuit

against her and Tamara. Not only did Alexis deny it, Tamara denied ever being sued by Alexis. Yep. We have a text from Alexis saying, we are getting a lawyer. We are suing you. And Tamara, you will hear from our lawyer.

It is the perfect smoking guard. It's one of the few times that we've gotten a text. And I've been like, no, that'll do it. That's actually the information. Yeah. I love that. I didn't even know that she could do that. She hadn't had no idea that she could even do that.

You could have just searched Alexis's name and been like, I kind of remember getting a text a couple of years ago about this. Just scroll up. Think, do whatever you have to do. Nope, pops up right away as soon as you go to send her a very shady text message saying you're not invited to London. Isn't that the best? She goes to send that text message and find that.

another one. Oh, man, I love it. And it's so funny to watch as she says, yeah, I took a screenshot of it and sent it over to Tamara because Tamara said that she didn't remember that. Tamara said that Alexis wasn't involved in any of that. Tamer's response, plain as day. Oh, yeah, she only sent you that text. She didn't send me that text. So I don't have my number. Uh-huh. Sure. Yeah, sure. You got sued and you don't remember. Okay. That makes a whole lot of sense. And while that's all happening, and I'm, I'm just elated. I'm like, fuck, yeah, we finally have a real smoking gun.

This is going to play very well. You get dumb and dumber back at the table. Like, she always lies. Like, you notice that she always says, like, if I'm being honest, like, well, if you're being honest, you don't have to say you're being honest. I'm like, you guys are dumb. Like, this is the bad look. Neither of you are winning right now.

Nope. Digging a hole. Tamara and Heather sized hole. And you're going to be very lonely down there. Heather, that's so weird that one of our most calculated players across the Housewives shows, not just this show. she is classically very meticulous in how she wants to portray herself has had a breaking point

to jump on Tamara's team of all people you could have picked anybody else literally get on Gina's team that's harmless you're going to get in some shit but you're not going to know what's going on you'll be fine nobody's going to believe you they're going to know it's Gina they're just feeling yes she's a built in scapegoat but you jump into Tamara's pocket what the fuck I'm baffled, but great episode.

Great episode. Let's get to some questions. From Dylan Hyman, how hard did Steel throw his notebook against the wall when he saw Alexis's bullshit text? I, it was actually the perfect moment because I think that popped up when I was like in the hospital with my brand new baby girl. I was like, nah, I'm not, that's not going to yuck my yums today. It's going to be a little while.

It's going to be a little while until we get a notebook throw. Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. it'll probably be it'll come don't worry it happens eventually but always happens from travis bowed no we've done this before can you say three nice things about tamer we've done that go back and find it Ryan not doing that again yeah Ryan is that your burner account it's got to be from 13 Nakia lamb or Nakaya lamb sorry if I mispronounced do you think they will ever fire tamer again based on fan reaction this season no not because of fan reaction I mean

ever is a long time she could definitely do some shit to fuck it up um right now no i i can't see it just because the show operates really well and she has a pretty good role in the show now she could definitely go off the tracks in the future and then the show's not doing so well her i i can't all right i'll say it this way i can't see her actually getting fired like singled out as tamra is gone i can see them scrapping the show or scrapping the cast and then rebooting or whatever But I don't see a camera in fact. Yeah, I don't see, I don't see timer getting fired just by herself. Yeah, also, you have to, the fan reaction, all of the clicks, all of the posts, all of the views.

Numbies is Numbies. Yeah, she's pushing Numbies. Ooh, I'm going to save this one for the end because I'm about to go off on somebody that just asked a question. What a poorly worded question. Oh, can't wait for that one. Let's do one more fun one first. That just, oh, that fucking really just pissed me off. Oh, this is interesting from Helen J. Harm.

I think John Jansen wants to run for a political position, hence the need for a clean rep. Oh, God. Like city comptroller? What's he fucking going to do? Thank God we don't live in California with that one. Oh, I don't care for that. Let's do one more. Let's go with CBMC-124.

Tamara basically made up with Alexis to have her come on the show and shred Shannon. together. Yes, 100%. Probably. That's, that's probably, she saw Alexis coming back and was like, oh, here's an easy one. We said that before, though, or something along those lines of she saw the reaction to Shannon's DUI last year on socials and thought that this was a layout. So that's where she, and then she found Alexis to join her team. They both thought that this was going to be a massive success. It was not. It was not. Last one. Um, don't. don't like this one at all. And hopefully you can learn something from Badger Reader.

Why does everyone feel bad for Shannon who is a borderline alcoholic, narcissistic, and mean? So what you've just done, Badger Reader, is equate being an alcoholic to being both narcissistic and mean. So I'm not going to answer your question, but I am going to tell you, alcoholic doesn't make you a bad person because you are now saying that I am a bad person, because I am an alcoholic that is six years sober. Alcoholic does not mean narcissistic and meme. Don't care for it. Watch the wording next time.

Words hurt. I'm an alcoholic. I'm a damn proud recovering alcoholic. Just because you're an alcoholic does not equate to bad person. Okay? Have a lovely day, pumpkin. Anyway. Do better.

Yeah, just do better. What a dumb question. You can say, if you would ask that question without alcoholic in it, probably would have answered. Probably wouldn't even bat in a night. But for you to then throw in alcoholic into that, what's the point? What does that do? Because she has a drinking problem? Does that mean everyone doing drugs that have a massive drug problem?

a bad fucking person fucking do better think before you ask stupid questions please but anyway um i feel better and yeah so do you got anything else nope well badger reader do better next time you know too better i'm not saying like unfollow us but that was shitty and uh yeah go birds go birds bro bro's around here later the old west is an iconic period of american history and full of legendary figures whose names still resonate today. Like Jesse James, Billy the Kid, and Butch and Sundance, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, and Geronimo, Wyatt Earp, Batmasterson, and Bass Reeves,

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