Bros & Shows - Heather vs. Katie: The Paparazzi Problem (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

What's up Bros? Its OC time and we are continuing to enjoy this season. In todays episode, Katie has set her sights on Heather Dubrow, calling back to the paparazzi debacle last season. Jenn and Ryan take a trip to Vegas that has the other ladies continuing to question Jenn's financial decisions. We get a Coyote Ugly reenactment where Katie spills the paparazzi tea. Tamra is thrilled to have some tea on Heather as Katie continues to push this paparazzi thing. Johnny J, the Jan Man aka Captain Asshat John Janssen says Shannon owes him $75K. And things escalate when the group goes on a golf outing and Tamra lets slip to Heather that Katie is moving behind her back, although Katie claims that Heather was doing the same thing.... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one-and-only Scoots McGee. What's up, dude? well i i think we have to say it pretty much enjoying this uh season of OC that's a good season it's a good season it's a good season it's not too dark i mean obviously there's some things

that we can talk about but you know it's just enjoyable i'm just having a good time and i think it's coming at a very good time as well and i'm sorry if my voice sounds nasally to all of our listeners out there i don't get allergies like hardly ever and of course in like the middle of summer. I get allergies. Or I'm getting sick. I don't know. It could be that. I'm not sleeping and I'm stressed. So who knows? But everything's fine. I'm fine. Shooter. He's fine. It's all fine. Back to what we're talking about. I think that Rosie is also coming at a very good time because we're coming off the heels of a shit jersey season. So they came in with a need to fill a role of, housewives can be fun housewives can be entertaining and they took the right approach it's been

fun for the most part's been fairly lighthearted the drama as of now has not gotten too deep as you said there are some avenues in which it could get pretty deep but i think that that will be welcomed along the way they seem to be doing it right like it's going in the right direction they're building it up at the right times all in all it's simply just enjoyable right now and i'm liking pretty much everybody. Katie, me, but the rest of the crew, I'm digging. No? No. You like Tamara now? What the hell is that? Tamara, that's like an outlier. That's inherent that no, fuck that. No way. She hasn't, she hasn't really, I mean, up until this episode, she hadn't really done much of anything. Like, yes, we have questions about why she's treating Chan in the way that she is and

not being a good friend. This episode pissed me off and it reminded me why I hate Tamara. that's so funny because it did the same for me. I wrote down a few times like Tamara, because she just looks for her ways to nitpick and how to move in a certain way. And that's what she's always done and always will do. So I agree with that. And I just, I figured that you assumed and knew that I wasn't talking about Tamara.

I was talking about the rest of the cast. Thank God. With Vicky back on the screen, who is a delight. I'm glad that Vicki's back in the fold. It's still one of the most confusing things to me is how Bravo treats Vicki Gunfelson. I don't understand it. That being said, she is now getting sued for a similar, like a Jen from,

Jen Shaw from Roslick kind of deal that's going on right now. We don't really know the ins and outs. I don't want to speculate too much. Yeah. But that, if that comes to fruition and that's real, then yeah, fuck her. But at the time right now, and it's until proven guilty, glad she's back on the screen because she's just fun. She's fun TV.

Yeah, she's really fun TV. I really, I think that the reason why Bravo is not. paying her what she wants, not having her on full time, things like that is probably because they didn't know what to do with her. They were probably looking at OC. They had brought back Tamara. They wanted to see how that was going to

work. Let's bring Vicky back in a friend of role and just throw her out there so we don't have to pay her in case this show fails and people don't watch it. Then we don't have to waste a ton of money on having Vicki come back for a failed franchise. Maybe that's what they're thinking. I don't know. I've been trying to wrap my head around it because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And I don't see, yes, I do think she's asking for like teresa money but she should probably be getting teresa type of money so that's why i'm like i don't really know if you're going to pay teresa to go do that in jersey and jersey is flopping hard why wouldn't you also be willing to pay vicky for a show that looks like it's doing a little bit better and if vicky was on full time i think everybody would be happy with that so i i don't really understand that i you know does she deserve teresa money that's subjective i don't know maybe but the bottom line is you can find some some kind of number in which she's happy to come back

because how do you give her like a lifetime housewife achievement award but you won't invite her full time on the show that's where I get confused I'm like I well how much is she actually worth to you because it just confuses me but as you said this season is good so far and to anybody out there that thinks that we don't change opinions around here we're biased we fucking hated this show last year so I'm elated that we're watching it and enjoying it this year. It's much more fun to not hate watch things.

So thank you, O.C. Goodbye. That's it. We're done for today. Rob pros are out of here. Goodbye. Yeah, goodbye. Bye.

No, no, no. Let's dive into this episode and we start out with Terry and Heather. And, you know, they've got a lot of problems. We got a lot of issues. They don't know if they should live in the penthouse. Should they go live in the apartment? Should they lease the penthouse? How many places were they talking about besides pointing out that's our house right there right next to Drake's house over there?

No big deal. Yeah, I think I got about four or five properties that they were talking about there. They didn't mention Disneyland. I feel like they should have just gone to Disneyland, but maybe they only go there when they're having issues. It makes them happy. Mickey Mouse makes everybody happy. a sweet yeah yeah but as they're talking they're recapping the flag football game then how shannon's avoiding tamera and shannon's avoiding alexis and there's some distension in the group and now you

have this new girl kelly coming into the fold who is moving a little weird and she's been drawing comparisons on socials to anna marie from beverly hills because she's coming in with an agenda it seems like. She's coming in overly prepared and arguably overly comfortable. I'm not loving her approach to this season. I don't think I ever like when a newcomer comes in with a vendetta. I guess an OG. I think it always flops. It never pans out in their favor. But the whole point of this is for Heather to say, ever since your stroke, Terry, I'm just done with the bullshit. I don't want the bullshit anymore and what a life we live. They're looking out

over all of Los Angeles and their fucking penthouse staring at their house next to Drake's house and the hills. Like, yeah, that's a great life. What a life. What a life. Great life. What a great life. It's almost like we should highlight more people like this on Bravo and get back to the

heyday of Housewives where it's like, hey, let's go see some really rich people do really rich shit and then try to relate to to us common folk by saying, but I love hot dogs. Let me know what you're doing. Yeah. Poor people eat hot dogs is what you're saying.

And like, we love hot dogs. You love hot dogs. You're like us. We get it. Actually, that was condescending, I thought. I didn't mind that at all. I love that. I didn't.

I thought it was condescending. It's like, oh, but I love hot dogs. Who doesn't love a hot dog? I don't know. I don't know that person yet. I hope to never meet that person. Hot dogs are phenomenal. My point is, I just, that's what it felt like to me.

It's like, hmm, I'm going to relate to, uh, the small, folk and say i love hot dogs but i agree with you i don't i have yet to meet somebody that doesn't like hot dogs and then i the only thing that i ever get is you know how many nitrates are in hot dogs you're always supposed to have like one a year it's like i i don't care i'm a personal trainer and i and i cook healthy food and i'll eat 15 hot dogs in one sitting they're fucking delicious fananists yeah fananist is what those guys fantastic and uh i don't even know the other word but let's keep moving We get to Tamara, Emily, Gina, Katie, and Jen.

We're having a little dive bar night, and Shannon's not invited because we want to fuck up the vibe, according to Tamara. This moment was relatable. And Dev said the same thing we were watching. And when they get to Katie's house and people have to use the bathroom, Emily's like, I want to pee in the bush. I don't want to go inside. It's nothing against Katie or her family. I don't want to do the intros. And I was like, I get that.

I definitely get that. fully understand that yeah if you go into that bathroom it's just nice of you to stop in and say hello and hey i got to run to the bathroom to go pee see you yeah thanks great great meeting you oh what do you do for work oh now i'm all i'm all held up now i'd rather just stay on the bus if i could i'd rather hold it and wait till i got to the bar maybe the bar's a little further away peeing in the bush not so bad kind of funny yeah it's a good move it's a smart move it's a veteran move it's she's she knows what she's doing so i appreciated that move very relatable but they get to this dive bar and the minute they say coyote ugly scene I'm like oh boy like what are we getting into here who's getting on the bar and uh does anybody at the bar ever like when people get on the bar I have my own stance on this but I want your day absolutely not no it's the worst I mean to see Jen behind the bar spraying what I imagine is soda water everywhere no fuck off they're out of the bar if that's what you want to treat I love dive bars I absolutely adore dive bars

Me too. I'm sober. I love dive bars. Just supposed to be places that have touch tunes that you can play things like Creed and Lake 182 and have a lot of fun. Maybe there's a billiards table in the back, a couple of dartboards, and just enjoy the night. Once somebody gets up on that bar, it's no longer a dive bar and you've ruined the bar for me.

I agree. And we are big dive bar advocates here. I'm sober and still love to go watch birds games in dive bars. Shout out, Conti Corner. But we, yeah, I don't like when that happens. At any bar, honestly, I'd never like when people get up and dance in the bar. I never think it's fun for anybody else but the people on the bar. And in this instance, how much alcohol did they waste?

And you're making an absolute mess. These poor bartenders are going to have to clean up after you because you're spraying shit all over the bar. You're pouring beer on each other's shirts. And like, look like gray goose that they're just pouring out. That's expensive shit. It very quickly went from the bartender saying, I'm just going to look the other way. Maybe I won't notice you get on the bar to, hey, come behind the bar and dump all of our stuff on the ground.

How do we get here? I don't know, but I wonder what the, like, the payback is as far. I'm sure they paid for the drinks and stuff like that. But I wonder if they get a big bump because people see this bar on TV and then they want to go to that bar. Maybe that's the payoff. I don't know. I'd be pissed.

Yeah. If that's my bar, like, stop fucking spraying this. I got to clean this up later. This place is already. Imagine being the bar back there, too. Like, I was hoping to get out of here at like 1.30. not have to wait here and now you're there till three there goes your night easily and the bar's going to be sticky as shit from that soda water so nice job ladies but this is where we start to talk

about the paparazzi photos and this was a sticking point last year that harry harry and tether terry and heather had posed for some photos in Disneyland and they called the paparazzi to do so and if you go back we we said the same thing last year when it came up these are very clearly staged like The stances look awkward. The pictures look awkward. They look forced. So I am under the guise of this being a paparazzi moment that they call the paparazzi for themselves. But Katie wants to get more involved. And she says, my friend, and this confused me. And hopefully you can shed some light on the matter. I don't know how much you know about the paparazzi. But she said, my friend runs all of the paparazzi in LA. She all the photos go through this one person. And I have her number. She's a dear, dear friend. I reached out to her to ask her, hey, did Heather, is it a guy? Okay. I think it was a guy. Okay. Did Heather call you or the paparazzi to frame these photos? Was this was this her doing? And the person says back one simple text. It just says yes. Now, my question for you, is there one person in charge of all paparazzi? And two, No. Why the hell does Katie care at this point? At this juncture, when she finds this out, why is this important? Because this is like a while ago. Well, you've seen Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal, correct? Sure. Great movie. Great movie. The way that that works is he has some sort of middleman that goes back to the news networks or the tabloids or whatever. Maybe it's that person. Maybe it's a middle person that kind of has, you know, 50 different paparazzi people on some sort of retainer or, hey, if you get some good information, like send it over. to me i don't think i look i i i assume that most of the housewives most of the people on

bravo probably do call paparazzi to do things so i don't really understand this like this is just the pot calling the kettle black i think they're just mad that she's not admitting to it but like has anybody ever admitted to it like no it's kind of shameful it nobody's ever going to be like yeah i definitely called the paparazzi so i get some good press because everybody thought that my husband was cheating on me sure okay yeah i'm going to admit that no one's ever going to admit that so i don't blame Heather for not admitting it. Everybody does it though. So why do they care so much? And why is Katie trying to push this? She just thinks it's a silly goofy time. But you're trying to bring up old memories. And you're trying to push back to the Terry cheating rumors. That's what I think she doesn't.

So that's the bigger piece of this. Like, yeah, you can, calling somebody a liar, as we've seen on multiple housewife shows, never goes over well. So calling them a liar and then saying, remember that time that you had press pushed this Disneyland thing because your husband was rumored to be cheating on you? Like, yeah, it's going to dig up some old memories and not so great feelings. So that's, I think, what the problem is. Now, going to what you actually originally asked, yeah, I do think that Katie knows somebody because she was in some sort of media of whether it be golf. And I think she said she got her start somewhere else. So yeah, she probably does know somebody who manages or might direct some paparazzi people, hey, go take these

pictures and I'll pay you for the photos that you get, whatever, that's fine. I don't know. I just don't understand why she's digging so deep on this. I hate when things like that that are a little innocuous that we all know that all the housewives do comes back from another season. Like, why are we bringing this back up? Like, we're over this. You and I had our fun with that.

It was kind of goofy. I like seeing the pictures of them, you know, holding each other and like pointing at like the Disney Castle, whatever the hell they were doing. It's fun. That was a good time last year. It's not fun anymore. I don't care anymore. No, and it's confusing to me, and that's where it's like an Annamarie thing where she would bring up things from seasons past.

It's like, well, you weren't there for that. So you don't get to use that as ammo. That's not how this game works. That's where I got a parallel to that. And it's very confusing. Did she know she was going to be on the show last year or whenever she texted her friend? And it's not shocking to me that she knows somebody in the paparazzi game. Like, that's not surprising.

But I'm just confused as to what her motives are. and as you said, this is an innocuous thing, and a lot of people do this. Look at any TMZ interview with the Bravo Lev. They are all so fake. It's like, oh, fancy seeing you here at your back alley while you're taking out trash. What are you up to? Or, oh, fancy seeing you here at your 12 p.m. Just point to Jackson and Sandoval.

Jackson, Sandoval are the worst at it because it's like, really stage. They went on a full press tour via the paparazzi last year on their separate issues. Yeah, no, we know that this happens. Everybody knows it happens. Who cares? I'm just confused. Like, yeah, exactly. Who cares?

Why is it that big of a deal? And I think it comes back. Go ahead. No, no, no. I think you were going to say the same thing I am. It goes back to they all are jealous of Heather and they want to find ways to poke holes in her armor where it's like, oh, you were lying. It's like, yeah, but who fucking cares?

It's about a picture that they took in Disneyland. And you guys are just butt hurt because she can afford to have a house next to Drake. She can afford to have the penhouse at the same time. She can afford to pick and choose. wherever the fuck she wants to live. She is what all of the women in OC want to be. And they don't want to admit that. So they want to act like they're as important.

Like Tamara's saying like, oh, I'm not into that kind of thing. It's like you would love if the paparazzi followed you around. They just don't. That's the difference. And if she has to call them, whatever. Again, it's a TMZ move that we've seen a million times. This is such a whatever moment. But that's the root of it.

The root of it is we want to find ways to get it, Heather. and this is the only thing they have is this paparazzi photo and calling her a liar. That's the big one. And you know what? I think I'd be okay with it if this was just a piece, a little piece of information that you didn't spread to all of the women at one time and make a big deal about. If your main sticking point here is that Heather was a little short to you when you met her, Heather was asking people about you.

Like, yeah, of course Heather was asking people about you. She's asking me. Because you're going to be on the show together, Katie. Do you think that she's just going to be like, oh hey Katie it's so nice to meet you let me find out everything about you from you now everybody's going to ask anytime that somebody's going to have to work with someone else and you know somebody else that has worked with them what kind of worker are they what do they do that's just normal that doesn't make any sense to me so if you're just going to sit on the she disrespected me multiple times

and now that I'm on the show she wants to get to know me okay that's fine I'm okay with that just go about it that way and say oh now you want to get to know me here we go okay I've had multiple opportunities to meet you, tried to introduce myself, tried to tell you about myself, and you didn't care, but now I'm on your show, so now you care about me. Just stick to that. And then later down the line, if Heather doesn't respond to the right way, then you can pull up the paparazzi thing, sure. But doing it this early in the season just seems, I don't know, wrong.

Thirsty. Yeah. Seems super thirsty. Like, she said, would you get her a Gatorade or something like that? Yeah. But the big thing that comes from this is Gina says that she's known about this for a while. I guess her and Katie had talked about it, or she let her in and said, hey, this is what I got and showed her the screenshot and all that.

And Gina's like, I wasn't going to say anything because it's dumb and I don't want to bring it up and cause all this shit because I'm also friends with Heather. The giddiness that Tamara has upon finding out this news was my staunch reminder of, oh, yeah, that's how she operates. Like she's so excited to have something in her back pocket against Heather. And she's just counting down the minutes where she can use it. But when she does actually use it, it's more to drag Katie because she just tell Heather, like, hey, I heard about this, but you know it's going to come back in a certain way

where Tamara's going to be like, hey, remember, you're a liar. We found out that you're a liar. That's what I see happening in the future. But the whole tagging incident is confusing to me because I don't believe that Heather Dubrow does not know how to tag people on Instagram. I don't believe that somebody else was running her account and accidentally tagged Katie. I also don't understand how that would be throwing shade to tag somebody in your birthday party picture that's not in the picture i don't think that she meant to do it i think that the

the obvious answer here is what somebody had said right up front that heather was looking at katy's profile and if she's looking at somebody's profile and she's looking at a couple times maybe it was the most recent person that she looked at on instagram then yeah there's it's it's plausible that katy would show up when it says because it's recent profiles looked at so if you go to faggett maybe you went to, or maybe it's you typed in, it was Javanchi, like she was wearing a dress, you start typing in GI and it pops up and you click the wrong thing. That's all that happened there. There's no more shade to be thrown around. It's not like she's going to, because it doesn't make any sense. Why would she tag her in a birthday post? If she didn't know her yet, she didn't care,

what it just doesn't make it. Like, how does that mean to anybody? How is that shady? Like, it's, it's not is the answer. So I think it was just a mistake because I genuinely think that she didn't realize that she did it. Yeah, it reminds me of like, You know, she's pissed because Heather didn't give her the time of day. And, you know, not to be that guy, but, like, why should she want to get to know you at that juncture? She doesn't know who you are. She's not going to take the time because she, as Heather says, I looked at your Instagram once. Doesn't mean I'm like, oh, that's her.

Like, I don't know. Maybe. But it reminds me, I don't know what that movie was. It might have been Guardians of the Galaxy or it might have been a war movie. I'm not sure. But it's a moment where the protagonist approaches the antagonist is like, You killed my entire family. Maybe it was Drax.

He's like, you killed everything. You took my life from me and killed my family. And the other, the antagonist is like, for me, that was just a Tuesday. Like, I don't remember. You're not important enough. Yeah, I think you're thinking of Drax and Thanos. But yeah. Is that what that was?

No, it's Draxon. It starts at the bar. Oh, Ronan. Ronan. Yeah, that's what I got from that. It's like, yes, she doesn't know who you are because you're not important to her yet. And the other part is you were talking about. with the social media thing, like the Instagram deep dive, I think everybody does that.

If you're going to be involved with somebody professionally or you're meeting people, whatever, you do a little Instagram dive, try to get to know them a little bit or at least see what they're about. That's not a weird move. So for her to be asking questions, for her to be going on Instagram, all of those things, I don't see that as shade. I see that as doing your homework. It also just doesn't add up to the same thing that I think Katie is acting like it does.

is Katie's trying to put together these pieces of a puzzle that just don't fit together but yes we're explaining how it actually is and this is just some weird thing that's completely inconsequential that has nothing to do with any of this

she just messed up and accidentally tagged you you already called her out for it it's not part of this huge puzzle that Heather's got this whole scheme against you so you're trying to get out in front of it by doing all of this like I think that's what she thinks it is but it's definitely not I agree

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Conditions supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. But moving right along, we get to Shannon and Vicky. We get Vicki back on our screen and fresh off a staff infection and left the hospital against the doctor's orders because she can't slow down. And Mars has nothing to fuck with, Vicky. All right, if you have a staff infection, make sure that shit is cleared by a doctor. I don't think that's a smart move just because you don't want to slow down.

I appreciate that. You're moving along in your life. You feel good. You're trucking. You're getting things done. You don't want to slow down and lose that pace. I hear you. You can't be waltzing around saying if I squeeze like this,

pus comes out. Like, that's disgusting. But it is, it's just, it's classic Vicky, walking into Shannon's house within 30 seconds. well i had a staff infection so i if i lean like this and squirt out a little bit of pus you know that's what's gonna happen and then he asked about my vagina and it's like vicky like give us a second to warm up all right now it's been a little while it's been a little while she's never gonna warm up to anything so i don't know why i even ask but pleasant to see her back on the screen love it yeah and i love that they're sitting there just kind of breaking down what they've both been up to and they get to immediately just go right into the tower shit i don't really get it let's just drop it let's just drop to our own show. That's great. These two are genuine and I feel like this is the way that this show goes. I would say that most of these women aren't actual friends. There's a couple pairings that I can point out and be like, oh, yeah, they're actually friends. I think that was a big

gripe last year. Shannon and Vicky are very good friends. They tell each other everything. It seems like they know how each other tick, judging by the way that Shannon was talking about the John Jansen lawsuit. So yeah, I think that these two are actually friends. So it's pleasant to watch them interact on screen. I agree. It does bring a different dimension to the show. And you can tell that they actually care about each other. But I didn't realize that Tamara didn't even call them and say, hey, I'm out. They found out through the press out. Yeah, that was what it was. And that was there like, oh, shit, okay, she's not into this anymore. So they call Paris, who is, I didn't, is he their attorney or their business manager? I think he's their manager. I think he's managing the

tour. Okay. All right. So he's the tour manager. And they're asking, all right, what's the fallout? How do we go about this? It made it seem like for a second that there was a lawsuit to be had when Shannon was talking like, I don't want to go down this route. Let's just do a new show. Now, will Dos Amiga sell out? Tracea Miga sold out.

It already has. Did it? Okay. Good for them. All right. Great. No, they did a show in Philly a couple of weeks ago and it was sold out at our favorite place, city winery. Nice.

Nice, shout out city winery. Okay, good. Yeah, I want them to be successful in that because Tamara just tried to drop it and act like, you know, she was doing it for Shannon's behalf or on Shannon's behalf. Yeah, now she's talking about that, but before it had nothing to do with that, but now it just fits her narrative to be like,

I care about her too much. I wanted her drink. It's like you didn't seem to care when you guys were setting the tour up, but that's neither here nor there. Look, we know that at some point in time this season probably, Tamara's going to have a line where she says, Shannon, you were a lot more fun when you drank. Oh, God.

if it doesn't come out. It's going to blow. I'll blow up. I really don't want that to come out. I don't even put it out there in the universe, but we get a letter from Johnny J, from the Jann man himself. And he says

that Shannon Bador owes him $75,000. I don't know the ins and outs of their relationship. I don't know their financial structure. I do know this. I know that Shannon paid for that deadbeat for a very long time. We don't even know what that motherfucker does for work.

And arguably, he does nothing but mooch off of rich women. So this makes no sense to me whatsoever. And I think that he's trying to use a scare tactic. What? That's why this episode was so pleasant. There was no Alexis. Where the hell was she? Oh, that makes sense.

I didn't realize that she was missing. We don't need her. We don't need her. You really don't need her. How about that? We didn't even need her to come back into the fold. But now, I do want to hear what, because they didn't really break down what he's claiming that she owes him for they were just going back and forth and then saying well that's

ridiculous you paid for this this this this this this this and this but what is he saying and i bet you our friends over at the bravo docket probably have it all planned out so maybe we'll have to listen to them yeah make i mean they always break it down really well when it comes to uh the legalities of everything but i don't know to me it comes off of it and we are not attorneys we said this on last night's episodes we are not lawyers okay but for me, it sounds like a scare tactic because he knows that she is financially indebted to her children. She's putting a lot of money into their education, into their livelihoods, all of those things, which is great. She's a good mom. You can't deny that. Even if you don't like her, she takes care

of her kids. Now, if Johnny Jay, the Jan man himself, knows that she is, you know, she's going through it a little bit right now. She's already paid out a bunch of attorney fees for whatever lawsuit she had with Alexis's ex. Is John trying to do that? Is John trying to do that? She's going to take advantage of a situation where it's like, oh, I know she's struggling right now. I'm going to use a scare tactic and send her a letter via my attorney threatening legal action just to see if we can settle somewhere in the middle because she doesn't want to pay $100,000 in lawyer fees. Yeah, probably.

Of course. Yeah, that's it. Honestly, yes. He's such a piece of shit, man. What a loser. That guy is the biggest loser on Bravo. And that's saying a whole lot, honestly, because he's, He's just stiff competition, but he's, he's up there.

He's got stiff competition, but he literally doesn't do anything. Like, he does nothing, and he's vying for the spotlight as the X of a current housewife to the point where he got with another housewife that was coming back on the show. And they probably got back on the show by doing that weird relationship at the quiet lady where they just ran into each other in a booth. And that story changes every time she tells it. But whatever. We get to another loser.

We're at Jen and Ryan's house. and I cannot with the sex stuff. I just simply can't anymore. She's like, how does this look? I grown every time. I do too. How does this look? I'll like to see it on the side of my bed.

We get it. You guys, fuck. Good for you. You have sex. That's awesome. That's so exciting. Great. Stop talking about it.

We don't care to hear about it anymore. I'm so done with it. And it also shows you the depth in which Ryan has. everything that they talk about comes back to sex, because that's all he thinks about, is just blinking all the time. So just give it a place. Sex and money.

Dude, talk about something else. Say, yeah, you would look great in that. I'm so excited to take a vacation with you. Not I'm so excited to get to Vegas so we can fuck there too. That's what you're saying. And she doesn't even see it. It's very frustrating to watch. But she's worried about the optics.

If I go to Vegas right now, I just got evicted from my apartment. The girls are all talking about me. it's going to look that on my part, should I not post anything? And I actually agreed with the overall sentiment of this conversation from Ryan where it's like, fuck him. At this point, you moved in with your man. Is it the right move? Probably not. This guy is bad news and it's written all over him and all over his Ed Hardy Jacket. But you're living with him. He's paying your way and that's what the situation is. So if he wants to pay for you to go to Vegas and it's

on his dime, no, you shouldn't feel guilty about doing that. That is nothing to do with the other women. Of course, they're going to find a reason that you shouldn't go because it's the low hanging fruit. Like, oh, she can't pay her bills, but she can go to Vegas. Well, yeah, she can go to Vegas because Ryan can afford to go to Vegas and take her. And there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I think she made a pretty good point. If we were married and we had been married before we met them, then they wouldn't have batted an eye. It wouldn't be a problem. But also, you wouldn't have had money problems. You wouldn't have been behind on rent. So yeah, I mean, hindsight, of course. But who cares? Like, yeah, they're going to talk. Yes, you're going to have. Yes, you're

you're in financial debt. I don't care for Emily saying, was it Emily or Gina who was talking about? Yeah, stay home for the weekend instead of going to Vegas to the United States. Oh, no, that was Gina talking to Emily. Yeah, yeah, stay home for the weekend so that you can pick up another shift and work harder. Like, what is that going to do? We've already like, it's just, I don't get it.

The shade that gets thrown around. Like, yeah, of course they're going to talk about it. But like, I don't know, make a couple of jokes here and there. Maybe if that's what you want to do. it's just it's a sticking point it's and it's rich coming from gina too like all right gina were you staying home every time that you wanted to go do something so that you could pay for stuff when you wouldn't have money like that now you're talking about putting a curtain in your kid's room like i don't care it just doesn't really better to me it's kind of interesting

to an extent but i feel like it's doing more damage to jen and obviously with a guy like ryan he doesn't fucking care he just wants to go do this because he's got he's got money that he got from gambling he's got that middleman gambling money he's got that just he's got that chip floating around so yeah who cares go to Vegas and have fun they're going to talk no matter what agreed 100 but should she here's the difference should she get her shit together and figure out how to be self-sufficient yes absolutely 100% especially with this guy don't rely on him yes but on the flip side objectively speaking are you in the wrong for taking a trip with your boyfriend to Vegas when he's paying for No, absolutely not.

So the $133,000 in back rent is alarming. She clearly does not make smart financial decisions. And to bet all on a yoga studio and I have nothing against yoga studios, but making it as a fitness gym anywhere, whatever your avenue is, is extraordinarily difficult just because of a saturated market. So probably not your best investment. You definitely should have gotten things written on paper when you got a rent agreement that's verbal.

That's just silly. So she needs help. There's no denying that. but I don't think Gina's the one to tell her because of the way she went about it, which is the funny thing. She had taken a different approach. She would probably be the best person to talk to her about it. Hey,

I've been where you are. Here's what I did. Here's how I got myself up on my own two feet and was able to take care of myself and my family. I want to help you get there instead of, look at this idiot. Now she's going to Vegas. And it's just simply jealousy. And I'm not knocking what Gina's done with her life.

I think it's awesome. That rags to rich. Story is great. Good for you. Keep on working. That's awesome. But it's not coming off the way that she. thinks it's coming off. She thinks that she is owning Jen right now. And it's like, for all

intents and purposes, man, she's going on a free trip to Vegas to go to the sphere right now and you're going to a dive bar to reenact Coyote Ugly. So, I'm just, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. But especially Gina has so much else going on. Yeah, I know, man. Go ahead. Don't worry about Jen. You know, you already had her conversation with her. You can't do much else. You're going to get C-Ced on all those emails. What else do you want to do exactly they just focus on your own shit burning down but we get a quick scene with katie and her husband i don't need to dive into too much of it it just sets up this golf out and the ladies are having later which she very very mistakenly names drinking and driving which even if

shannon was not even drive they didn't even hit balls they just put it yeah they should have called it something with putting or chipping and budding sipping and chippin wasn't bad but it's good yeah yeah that's solid but like even if you're not not with somebody that just recently got a DUI, Gina has a DUI under her belt as well, it's still not a good name. It's not like it implies drinking and driving, which is always bad. So that was never, it's not simply because of Shannon. It's simply because it's not a good name.

It's insensitive, to say the least. But we get another scene with Gina and Katie and it's juxtaposed to a scene with Tamara, Emily, at the mom's casino, at Tamara's mom's casino. I'm drinking some THC drinks, and Katie and Gina are trying to figure out some outfits for the golf outing. This made me, L.O.L. I actually laughed out loud at this because she's showing her, her being Katie, is showing Gina some Malbon outfits, like some cute golf attire. And she pulls one out, and Gina's like, ooh, I don't know. It's like, ooh, Gina, you're probably not the person to ask. You should probably wear that. It's probably a good outfit. Katie seems like she has decent style. You do not. Okay, I'm not the fashionista here. That is your role.

Shooter McGuire is the fashionist. I do love Malban. Malban is a great golf brand. You ever seen the pictures of Jason Day out there on the course and everybody makes fun of them a little bit, but now they're coming around on it. It's very cool. I think it's based out of Australia too, so that's even better. But, yeah, there you go.

That's like Melbourne. Especially after seeing what Gina actually fucking wore, what the hell was she thinking? What was that platform shoes? long socks like platform shoes tube socks and then you wore the one thing that she gave you which was the only thing that looked good everything else looked fucking insane yeah when she pulled out the first outfit she's like what do you think of this i'm like oh i like i like i don't know man i'm like oh no you know wear that just just wear that i'll wear it but they're talking about the paparazzi shit again and you know katy keeps saying i just thought it was a silly thing it's like

all right let's break down the timeline right now you knew you you were getting on this show. So you definitely did your homework on Heather Dubrow. You went to a lunch with Sutton who gave you a heads up about Heather and said, hey, tread lightly. I wouldn't fuck with Heather. If Sutton's telling you she wouldn't fuck with her, you should probably pay attention. Because Sutton's not really afraid of anybody more so because she doesn't think about it. It puts her foot in her mouth. But if she's giving you a heads up, that means you know what you're walking into. So no, you know this is not some silly one-off or it's like, oh, I had no idea what I was getting into you know the ramifications i don't appreciate the playing dumb about it if you're

going to be this person come in ready to go all right fine you don't take on heather try your best you're not going to win but don't play like oh i didn't know what i was doing i just thought this was a funny little thing like you know exactly what's going on flash over to tamra and emily and again just so giddy that they have this tamara's so excited that she's going to be able to use it at some point just to take a dig on heather oh she's a liar oh we got her now It's like, no, this is such a whatever. I don't care about this storyline at all. No, I don't care about it at all.

And obviously, it makes more sense that Gina, Gina's the only one out of these four that actually makes sense. But she's like, look, if you're going to bring it up and everybody else knows about it, it's only a matter of time until Heather finds out about it. I'd rather her hear it from either you because you started it or me because I value my friendship with Heather. So one of those two things is going to happen. the other two idiots over there just licking their chops at the idea

of making Heather look bad and then I don't fucking understand what ended up happening but sitting over there and making fun of her and being excited that this was going to come out why wouldn't you just let it play out like why in the world

if that's what you wanted and I think that is what you wanted we'll talk about it in a second I don't understand what they did eventually but sitting over there and licking your chops about this entire stupid thing that we already did last year We don't want to do it again. You guys went after Heather for all the dumbest shit in the world.

Yes, we all knew that the paparazzi was called. Yes, we knew that those photos were staged. Move on. Like, what are you going to catch her in a lie? She's just going to deny it. There's no way that she doesn't deny it. Especially at this point, she already did it all last year. What do you think she's going to turn around and turn into Jackie Goldschneider and just admit it?

No. Yeah. Okay, fine, I did it. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right. I've caught red-handed now that I have a screenshot text. So, yeah, I don't understand that. But Katie pushing this, I don't know what she thought was going to happen, sitting down with that group of girls on this show. You did your homework.

Did you not think that they were just going to tell Heather or that you were going to be forced to talk to Heather about it? She knew. You think you were going to be able to just like quietly go about your business and bring it up whenever you wanted. You shouldn't have played your hand that quickly. As I said earlier, hold on to that. And if Heather pisses you off, then you break it out. You don't go ahead and do it on your own and be proactive about it. See what happens.

Maybe you could use Heather as an ally. She's a pretty strong ally. I don't know what you're doing. So, yeah, the juxtaposed scenes were not my favorite. I love juxtapose scenes, but this was not one of my favorites. No, because it was shoddy at best. It was clumsy. And there wasn't really anything of substance.

It's two of the women giggling and laughing because they have some dirt. There was the other two trying to explain the situation away, or one of the two trying to explain it away. I mean, it's not that big of a deal. And Gina's like, it's going to be. This is going to be a big deal. It didn't need to be. And that's what I think that at least us, and I don't know about the rest of the viewers out there,

but where it's like, yeah, we did this song and dance. Like, we don't care about this. Let's, this season's going well. Let's not bog it down with some bullshit that we did last season. Over something that's so irrelevant, by the way, even if it comes out that she was lying, what is that going to do?

Damage her brand? No, she's going to be fine. She's going to be totally fine. It's not going to hinder anything. So I don't understand it. Then it's all coming from. from Katie feeling she's cited because Heather's asking questions about who this person is coming on to the show and going on your Instagram.

Again, that's not damning behavior. That's just doing your homework. So I'm confused. And that's where I'm like, Katie's doing too much. She's pulling in Anna Marie coming in too comfortable too hot too quick. I don't feel comfortable labeling her as Anna Marie because Anna Marie really sucked. That's fair. Katie doesn't really suck.

She's on the fence. She's just on the fence right now. We're not really sure. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm not loving her. but I just not Anna Marie was shit from day one so you're right that's that's a good point but we get to the golf outing and you can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's no powders no blenders no shakers starting at 17 grams per medium latte Tim's new protein latte protein without all the work at participating restaurants in Canada oh hi buddy who's the best you are I wish I could spend all day with you instead.

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Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. Bank more oncores when you switch to a Scotiabank banking package. Learn more at scotiabank.com slash banking packages. Conditions apply. Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think. Gina and Heather having a quick chit-chat about Travis. And this was funny to me in a sad way, not funny, ha-ha, but just like the perspective that Gina has on this whole thing is hard to understand for me. because she's like, it feels like, you know, Travis is breaking up with me.

And I'm like, let's let it settle. There's a lot of emotion right now. And you can break up with me three months from now. Yeah. You kicked them out of your house. I never thought this was going to work. Yeah. And I don't blame her for kicking them out, given what was going on.

Yeah, sure. I think we said that last week when we had the Bravo moms on. It makes sense. Like you don't want that sort of toxicity around. You've got six fucking kids running around. you'd like to cut that in half, let him take care of his own for a little while, and then you guys can come back together when all this is sorted out. All of that makes sense, but you don't get to have it both ways.

Like, what did you think he was going to do? We speculated last week that maybe it was like to protect him from the show so that more information doesn't get out, and then they don't have to put Gina in a weird spot, and then they can use it against them, whatever that might happen. It seems like she was doing this for her own good, and that's all well and good, but complaining now and saying that it seems like he's breaking up with me, you know, don't break up with me now, break up with me in three months. Like none of that makes any sense.

So it's like she made this decision, but she hasn't processed her emotions, which actually is kind of normal. But it's just funny watching her talk to Heather about it. For me, it's more so like you don't get to give him the boot from the house and then dictate whether or not he wants to remain in the relationship. To me, if you get kicked out of a house, that's grounds for breaking up. And you're going to grow apart because you're not staying in the same home together anymore. Like things are going to happen. And so for her to be like, well, no, don't leave now.

It's like, well, if that was the case, then you should have had a better plan. Because even as Travis is packing up his shit to leave, it still doesn't seem like you guys are on the same page as to what's going on moving forward. So that was a strange situation for me where it's like, yeah, no, don't do this, though. Like, you still got to be my boyfriend, but just get the fuck out. Yeah. He might not want to anymore. And that's going to be hard for it process. I agree.

Maybe she's still working through everything and it hasn't landed yet. I don't know. but it was just like the three months thing like give me three months that's a long time like i would understand it was like give me a couple weeks let the dust settle the three months you're you're locked in buddy for a quarter of a year we get to see everybody put you know which was fun i like to see who our athletes are uh emily is the clear winner here gina had a chance and she three putted which is very relatable you know losing the losing the match on a three putt we've all been there Shit happens.

It's very, and it's always on a two-footer. You're right there. You overthink it and you overshoot it. That shit happens all the time. I felt that. I related to that one for sure. We get some dogs at the turn,

also relatable. That's where I didn't like that. Heather's like, I love hot dogs. You don't do that. Just eat the hot dog. Yeah, I don't see a problem with that. I don't say a problem with that at all.

In the moment, have a bite of a dog and say, God, I love hot dogs. I'm like, all right, don't go to your confessional. Well,

no, I think it's known that, I think it's known that she loves hot dogs. Oh, everyone knows she likes hot dogs? Everybody knows it. That's even more of a reason for me to be like she does the hot dogs. Yeah,

but it's not like, I'm one of you. It's not like you're not. I don't always need to eat lobster. I can have hot dogs every once in a while. That would be bad. That would be bad. She didn't say that.

That's what I get from that. All she said was I love hot dogs. I think it comes out that way. I don't. I actually don't have a problem with Heather. I have a problem with Heather. Rich people can't eat hot dogs. Rich people can't eat hot dogs.

Of course they can eat hot dogs. Of course they can eat hot dogs. They can't use hot dogs as a way to relate to us small folk. That's my problem. I don't think she was trying to be relatable. I think she's just saying, in the fact. She loves hot dogs. Yeah, well, you're wrong.

Especially pigs in a blanket. Oh, I love pigs in a blanket. Oh, yeah. But they're classier hot dogs. Ah, yeah. Depending on the situation. Because you can have pigs in a blanket at like a cocktail event. And it's like, ooh, fancy.

Sure. But if you roll out like a Fenway Frank, that's not the same thing. So it's a fancier hot dog. I just the first Fenway Frank. Roger dog, Philly's doesn't have a clever name for a hot dog. Yeah. Like a fanatic weer.

Maybe that's why we suck right now. I don't know. We don't talk about that. We don't talk about the falls right now. I shouldn't even brought it up, but you get Heather, Tamara, and Emily. And of course, Tamara's the one to bring it up. I don't know if he heard or not, but Katie's been saying some shit. She lights the fire as she always does, which is actually fine.

You know, we need that person on every show and Tamara will always be that person. I don't agree with that at all because I don't like that she had the scene before. this where she's talking with Emily talking about how great it's going to be that Heather's going to get her come up and then you come groveling to her to let her know what Katie knows so that you can still be her friends that's the Tamra shit that I don't love and I fucking hate that because now you're going to be like oh it's a tamar move it's a time I know why because she wants to still be close to Heather she doesn't want to be the one that points it out later she doesn't want to be the one that says oh yeah and you lied about

the paparazzi photos she will she will probably still do that as you pointed out earlier she'll bring it up later in the season that's the end of the tamar move but this is so annoying because you could have just sat back and watched this happen you could have just been talking about it you don't have to make it super awkward you don't have to make it look like you're being a friend by coming to heather and telling her what katy told now you're just dragging katy what's the point in dragging katy there's no point to it she's a new person she's a new girl on the block there's no reason to drag her because she hasn't proven herself yet let this play out and then you can get involved later. That's the smarter play.

By forcing it, especially Tamara forcing it, makes no sense. I just don't get it. It's just for screen time, and that's what she does. Yeah, I was confused by why she took that approach after saying, like, oh, we got something on Heather, and then she tells Heather. I was like, that's weird. But on the flip side, you get Katie telling Shannon what's going

on, and Katie be like, I'm not threatened by anybody. And that's really funny every single cast where we're going, good luck, good, like, nice knowing you. You're not going to win this battle and you might not feel threatened. Now, Heather's going to eat you lunch. Like you're not ready for this fight.

None of us take on Heather. And we tried last year as a group to throw dumb, irrelevant things at her all season to try to pick on her. And it didn't land. It didn't work. So best of luck to you. She's going to ruin you. I do think it's really funny that Katie's like, wait, does Shannon know what's going on? Let me fill her in first before I go talk to Heather.

How important is it that everybody knows what's going on before the person that is involved? It's worse, because it's going to come back to you. You're just wasting time. While you're wasting time telling Shannon what's going on because Shannon wasn't there, Tamara's over there cucking you. Yep. You've been cucked by Tamara. You've been cucked by Tamara.

See you later. That was a dumb move. Go over and you have that conversation right away. You don't go putting. You don't do that. You don't let anybody cuck you. That's another thing that we need to put up in the wall of some sort of Rule number six.

Don't let another castmate cuck you. That's what you got to do. don't get cucked rule six that's everybody knows it and you're right i think that would have made a stronger statement uh in my opinion if she'd walked up to heather immediately and said hey can we go have a one-on-one real quick i just need to we need to settle something i want to move past this rather than it come up later and then like i said it's going to be worse for you because heather's going to realize that everybody else knows about this and you've been talking about this before you talk to her about it and that adds a little stank to the mixture but we finally get the katie heather

conversation and she lost in the intro she goes we've kind of had this weird looming thing and heather's like this weird looming thing came about because of what you're doing behind the scenes we didn't have a weird looming thing until you started to draw attention to it and then she brings up Sutton's christmas party you looked right at me turned around didn't have the time a day for me to which i say again is it the politest thing in the world no but why should she like why would you be important for Heather no in that moment that's where i'm confused by it because she looked at your Instagram once because she found her coming I don't know if that truly says like fuck you like that's where my big question mark is if we know how that

moment went down if Sutton was there was like oh yeah like she made eye contact it was very apparent that she knew her and kind of like highbrowed her and turned the other way like stuck her nose up at her all right you have some ammo there but from what I'm hearing it's just like yeah she looked at you and looked the other way doesn't seem that big of a deal to me to the point or you're now going after her by digging up information, by trying to find out shit through the paparazzi, through your dear, dear friend that runs all the paparazzi in L.A. apparently, that's where I get confused.

I'm like, you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. You could be irritated. You could be annoyed by Heather. But to take it upon yourself to try to take Heather down and by doing it this way is very confusing. And then to even go further and say, when I came into this group knowing that you lied, it's like why are you the the arbiter and the just what am i trying to say why is it your job

to come into this group and out her for being a liar you're new i i don't get it and especially because we've had now three weeks for you to build your case against heather or at least to the audience just tell us why you feel this way about heather because so far all i'm hearing is standard practice she doesn't care about who you are because why should she now she knows that you're going to be on a show so she's looking at your instagram she's asking your friends about you because she's going to be working with you this all seems pretty normal she's not talking shit on you she's not saying why would this girl be on this show i don't even know who she is why is she now being selected to be a housewife she's not doing any of that even if you told us that

she was doing that then we'd be like okay if she did that then yeah maybe you have a bit of a case against her and you need to go take her down because you feel like she's judging you fine you didn't do any of that you've had our undivided attention for three weeks to talk about this and so far all we've is Heather just wants to know who you are and now she cares because you're working with her. So you're going to call her a liar? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know where she goes.

It doesn't make any sense. And Heather has a great line where it's like it would be better if you came into this group to make friends not to come in here to take somebody down. And that's, that should be on the board as well. I newcomers should not come in immediately going after an OG. It does not work out. Look at Monica. She's in the Hall of Fame. for one and done's. She came into the show, took her time, and then had one of the biggest

reveals that we've ever had on one of these shows. So that's the way to do it if you're going to take somebody down or go after a whole group or whatever your tactic might be. If it's nefarious, take your time with it. As you said multiple times this episode, don't play your hand so quick because now what do you have? The one Heather Steamrolls you, which we know she's going to do, you're not going to win this battle. You're going to be left in shambles and no one's going to care anymore. That's the game you play when you take that risk, and we've never seen it work out, ever. We've never seen a

newcomer come in in the first three episodes with a vendetta, and it pan out. Look at Alexis. She came in, ready to take down Shannon after a hiatus with the John Jansen shit. Nobody cares that she's dating John Jansen. That's her only sticking point. Is it entertaining sometimes

when she gets on the screen and like acts like it's a big deal? Yeah, fine, okay, whatever. Is it going to carry her through the season? Absolutely not. It's already run course. So that's the whole thing. If you play this close to the chest and if you put pieces in motion and been a little bit cryptic about it, okay, I'll fuck with that. But all your cards are that. We know exactly where you stand now and you're not going to win. And then once you lose, everyone's going to make out. She can't hang. She can't handle it. See you later. Great episode.

Great season so far. Great episode. I'm loving it. Now let's get to some questions. You got your phone back? Oh, look at you. I found it. Yeah, I finally found it. All right, let's see what we have here. Up first from Annie McIver, MacIver. Do you think Heather called the Papps, why would she get angry if she didn't? Yes, we agree that she did. I don't understand why she's getting mad because people keep questioning her and they're outing her.

Who cares is what we think? Yeah, it's last season's stupid storyline that everybody agrees. Well, most people agree that last season sucked. So a lot of our listeners didn't. That's just our sentiment. A lot of people liked last season. We didn't. Stupid.

Well, either way, it's really dumb. It doesn't make any sense. And yeah, she's going to keep getting mad because people are calling it. Like, Katie actually called her a liar and brought it up multiple times. That's going to piss anybody off. So if that alone is going to piss her off, sure, whatever. We know that she called the paparazzi. We know it was staged.

Who cares? And a follow-up to that, same Anna McIver. Do you think Katie has real receipts? Because the one receipt we've seen is, is, no, it's just, yeah, the yes. No, real receipts, I would reserve for we know who this person is and this person actually confirmed it. And we know that this person confirmed it. Boy, we don't know who this person is.

We don't care. And whatever. Like, yeah. that's it like it doesn't matter that's not a real receipt it's just a text message yeah this thing this thing is not landing this airplane's not landing well but from caleb howl other than heather who in the cast would you have liked katie to have some drama with anyone i mean tamer's an easy one but that just activates tamer and she just starts yelling all the time um anybody but shannon yeah she's been going through it so yeah anybody she's a break yeah i agree with that

one. And the last one from Gracie, the Great White Westie. What's Gina's next move, dating men for more money? Oh, my God. Has real estate made her hungry for money? Well, probably. I mean, I would say, yeah, if she's talking about how she went through it and now she actually has enough, maybe she'll get hungrier. I don't know if she's going to date men for money. I don't think that's her move. She seems to be on the Watch Me Work train, which I love. Yeah. They'll make that money. You don't need no man for sure. No, I don't think she's going to look for a sugar daddy. I think she's going to try to prove, look how much money I can make on my own, which is great. Yeah.

And maybe she is hungry for more money. And look, if she wants to rise to the occasion and join the ranks of some of the other housewives in this group and do it on her own, fuck yeah, we're here for that. I don't think that she's going the route of a sugar daddy. She has not leaned into that at all. No, I don't think so. But yeah, it's a good season so far. And if you're listening and not watching, do yourself a favor. Jump on in.

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