Bros & Shows - Hometowns Week in Bachelorette Nation! (Bachelorette Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

What's up Brose? Its Hometowns week and we are getting down to our finalists slowly but surely. With only 4 dudes left, each guy takes Jenn to see their families and hometown. Devin takes Jenn on a love run with his run club in Houston. His family seems genuinely open and excited about the premise of Jenn joining the family. Jeremy takes Jenn on a what a normal day in their life could look like. However his family was far less into the idea of Jenn and him getting engaged... Johnathon still has some walls to break down between he and Jenn but his hometown visit seems to go very well. The family presses Jenn a little bit but in the end they all seem to be happy for Johnathon. Marcus takes Jenn to Tacoma and he appears to be the front runner.. If his feelings for Jenn get to the same place that she is currently at. She wants him to fall in love with her but at the moment he "really likes her...". The rose ceremony widdles the contestants down to 3 as we're getting close to the finale! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hometown boys, first time going through the hometowns. We are back with the hometown episode, and yeah, slightly underwhelming, honestly. Yeah. Is Jen getting chartered around on a jet for this? I would hope so. She got it. You think, I don't know. The way they broke it down was wild. You go to where the fuck was Devin? Devin was in Houston. Houston sucks. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, Houston and Devin. So she goes from Houston to Connecticut. To Tacoma.

To San Diego to Tacoma. I feel like you should have gone Connecticut, Houston, San Diego, Tacoma, no? And then she was going back to Atlanta? Okay, so you start in Tacoma. Or Houston would be last. To go back, where? Atlanta. Look, I mean, obviously, they also edited this, however they wanted to.

Let's just assume the primary route. Hard hitting issues here. The primary route should have been Tacoma, San Diego, Houston, Connecticut, Atlanta. Tacoma would have made sense. weren't we just in Seattle? Oh, fuck. Maybe Tacoma was first. Tacoma.

I don't think, because here's. the thing. Marcus is the biggest ticket, right? That's the one that people want to see the most because it's the biggest question mark. So I would imagine that regardless of where she went first, I would imagine regardless of where she went first, this was filmed out of order. There's no way. It was definitely filmed out of order because that just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm imagining her on a plane from Seattle to Houston, then up to Connecticut, then down southwest to San Diego, then up northwest to Tacoma. then all the way back to Atlanta.

Yeah, that would be the most inopportune route. It already sucks. I don't know how she had as much energy as she did. For any of them. She's the Bachelorette. She's meeting families. It's exciting. It's exciting stuff.

We're winding down here. And this episode, I was looking forward to it. Then after the first meeting with the family, I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess it's going to be kind of the same formula for each of these. Like, Jen goes to the house. Jen meets the family. Jen has a hard hitting one-on-one with mom to make. make sure she's the right fit or whoever that important person is.

Then they talk to whomever's family it is. Hey, how you feeling about this? And then wrap it all up together. And that's what we got congruantly. So I think that what it was, though, from an analytical standpoint, does give you greater insight into where each of these dudes actually stand. I got more from this episode as far as their relationships go than I have probably the entire time.

I think that's the point. There's only four left, so we need to really figure everything out now. Yeah. I would argue that two of these people have very similar situations with Jen. Let me guess. Let me guess. Jonathan and Marcus. No, I was going to say Marcus and Jeremy.

Oh, really? Yeah, because Jeremy, the way that she went there, she had doubts afterwards. She was talking about how she, you know, we haven't had that conversation about it. the feelings and what we're feeling for each other and I'm waiting for him and she's and he's like I'm waiting for her and obviously we're going to let this thing keep going before we can do that and Marcus is like yeah I'm trying to open up but you know I'm not right not really there yet but she let she really loves Marcus she's all on the fence about Jeremy you want to hear how I broke it down I wrote it down because I had like a mini piphany a minpiphany a minpiphany okay I could just have that a mini

epiphany it's already shortened shut up um Jeremy's trying to convince Jen yeah okay Jen's trying to convince Jonathan Jen's trying to convince Marcus Devon's trying to convince Jen Yeah that's how I see it As far as what the relationships are Yeah there's two guys that are Trying to get her to get on board

Yep Obviously Devon's like head over heels And the most open about that And I don't know if he actually is Or if that's his approach to the game I think he is honestly When I was thinking about Devin And the way that he went about it

I got the vibe of the normal guy who's like, this is by far the best girl that I could ever imagine having. Oh, you think you'd outkick this coverage. I am way out of my league here, and I need to just do anything I can. Okay. I think that's really been his approach the entire time. And yeah, he's being himself and he's done it masterfully.

But this one was like, I just need to tell her how I feel. I need to be the first one out there. Okay. Okay. I like that. She seems sincere, but also, you know, whatever. Well, let's dive in then, because that's the first date we get is, A fucking fun run.

A love run. It was a love run in Houston. And it's his whole crew. And here's the thing. I personally believe that exercise is a great way to have a date only because of this. I would never actually do that. But exercising breaks down walls. You tend to get a little bit more vulnerable when you're working hard, sweating all that.

So I thought that was a good idea. I took it as the holy shit. Am I marrying into a 5K on Thanksgiving morning family? That's a, it could be. Which is very scary. Well, it's a run club family, because this is a run club, which is scary. It's scarier because this is constant. T-shirts were brutal, too.

T-shirts are tough. They were tough. T-shirts are really tough. They could have done a better job, or you know what? They should have done a hashtag instead of, like, the love run. This is a wedding? No, but at least that's like, all right, I see what you're doing. This was like, oh, God, their heads on a shirt.

What do you need a hashtag? Go further on that one. Uh, hashtag. No, no, no, I don't know. I don't care about what your specific hashtag is. Like a marriage hashtag. On what? The t-shirt.

Oh, on the t-shirt. Yeah, just right across the, that would have... Just more simple. I don't think it's as creepy. You think that's worse? Yeah. I don't know. The heads bothered me.

Yeah, the head's definitely bothered me. The whole shirt, the color. It honestly, it was very, um, Sam N. It was very Sam N. Yeah. It was very Sam N. Yeah, Jan's husband. Hubb's husband.

Meredith Marks came out. Oh, boy. But let's get back to the post run when they're chatting with the crew, with the run club. And he lets it slip. He's like, you know, she loves me for who I am. You're like, ooh, he's dropping the L word. He uses the dog. Very smart.

Charlie, shout out Charlie. Shout out Charlie. Charlie looks great, by the way. Charlie's very sweet. Charlie catch that ball off the bounce? Oh, yeah. Charlie's an athlete. And look, she sees it and goes, wow.

He's such a good girl dad. He's a doggy dad. That's how that works. Genius. Look, it was smart. It was smart. Smart play, especially. Also, what I loved about it, the dog obeyed commands.

Correct. That I don't get that on Bravo. No, you get these fucking disaster dogs. I don't blame the dog. I blame the owners. But they're like, oh, my God, he peed in the house and ate my shoe again. God damn it. Fucking train him.

Yep. So I appreciate it that the dog was well trained. That makes me really happy. But we get to dinner with the family. And across all of these dates, this seemed the most, not genuine, but the most, like, love-filled, I guess. Like, it was more emotional where you can tell that he's actually nervous, that he just wants it to go well, that he is all in at this point. And I think the family, and I don't know if this is a, we could go way deeper into, like, the psychology of it. well if you think about the dynamic of this family yeah a lot of tumultuous relationships the dad's

back i was baffled because the way he's been talking about his father was i figured he was completely out of the picture not only that but it got even more awkward with jen sitting down with his mom talking about yeah we kind of bonded over the fact that you know our dads aren't in each other's lives yeah but his dad's right there i know first conversation dad was weird yeah because that's not the dynamic we've been led to believe i'm not knocking it i'm just He also did the I know you've been watching a lot of Love Island

and also this is Bachelorette too the dad stood up and was like Devin can I pull you for a chat? Okay dude You're not on this show He's trying to couple up

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They're like, I hope this works out. He seems like he's really in love. That's not what we get from the other crews. No. And I wonder if that has to do with the fact that they are, you know, it's a weird dynamic. It's a very weird dynamic, but I also feel like it's super authentic

because that was my main goal for this episode was to see who's just playing the game who's just excited to be on camera who's basically pulling shit out of their ass just trying to, yeah, that was gross. Pulling things out of their ass. To say on camera to make it seem like it's actually real, pulling shit out of their eyes.

Are they monkeys? I don't know. That just sounds like, I don't. Throwing it across the room? I mean, I guess that is a saying. I've heard that before, but just the way you said... Yeah, I don't know. I think I said it too slowly.

Yeah. Really enunciated that shit. It was the enunciation. It was the hard tea at the end of shit. Yeah. Anyway. Just pulling shit out of their asses. Anyway, that was my focus for this episode was

who's real and who's not? I think that... And I would say it seems like... I don't know this for sure. But Devin's dad showing up out of the blue. Either Devin's been... lying about his estranged relationship with his dad? Or his dad's like, oh, TV?

I'll be out of here. Yeah, it was just confusing. It was not only that, but when they're standing outside and Jen starts going through, which she did every time, who am I going to meet? And Devin goes through everybody. He remembers his dad, but not his stepdad. Oh, yeah. And Jen has to remind him, oh, yeah, your stepdad's here, too.

And he's like, oh, yeah, I forgot about my stepdad. It's like, what is going on? I don't know. I don't know. Look, I hope that their relationship's better. Like, I don't want them to have a friend. No, not at all. His mom seems sweet.

It just was confusing. Yeah, and you can tell, it seemed like, and again, this is what I was focused on, it seemed like his mom is very much the same as Devin. Yeah, she is supporting him wholeheartedly. She has a couple of questions, but she is rooting for him, and she wants the best for this situation, and she's accepting it. She's open arms all the way around. And that's exactly how I feel like Devin would be.

So that worked out really well. That seemed as chaotic as that was, and as weird as that was, the dynamics were all off. the whole thing seemed pretty on par for what I expected Devin's family to pay. I agree with that, actually. And, you know, when he's talking to his dad, he says, like, I'm in love with her. I'm afraid to tell her because of our family struggles. And Devin wants his relationship to be different. Yeah.

And I do appreciate that the dad's like, you can say that again. Like, yeah, we're all fucked up. You fucking get it, dude. But that's all right. Like, actually, that's endearing. Again, yeah, it seems. That, yeah, I didn't set the best example. Mom says that, too.

I didn't set the best example for relationships. But the fact that she goes as far to say, like, I could see Jen as part of the family. I'm like, can you, though? Like, that was my issue with this family. And I did believe that. She's going to say that, yeah. No, I know that. But, like, I felt that they were more accepting of this idea and not in an inorganic way.

I think they genuinely are like, yeah, we're here for this. That's alarming to me. It's a little alarming. Yeah. Let's pull the blinders off from Bachelorette. world. Right. It's a crazy concept that makes zero sense. No, and the other families acknowledge that part. Yes.

Devon's family did not. Not at all. Which, again, I still feel like it was authentic just based off of how Devin's been the whole season. When we see him talking to her, when he says things, it's like all right, yeah, I can see that happening for early on when you're dating somebody. Maybe not The Bachelorette, but everything that he's

been doing so far, it seems like they're actually dating and trying to figure it out and he's been able to block out the rest of it. whereas the others really haven't. They've acknowledged the fact that it's really weird. Yes, that's a good way to put it. So his family doing the same thing didn't surprise me.

Agreed. Devin does let slip. Like, you know, I am genuinely bothered by the other guys. And he's the first one to really acknowledge that part of it, which I also, I think that you just said it the best. I think in Devin's mind, in the family's mind and what we've seen, they're dating. Yeah. The other ones are contestants on The Bachelorette. And they're trying to do their best.

And yes, there are feelings there. And yes, it's real, blah, blah, blah. Devin seems the most legitimate, like, they are in a relationship. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's kind of where I was, too. I like that. Yeah, that's why I said, to your point.

Yeah. So that's exactly where I was. So that's kind of where I'm at. Especially when he was talking about love. Yeah, that's where I'm at it. But that is how it ends. Like, they're outside, and this was tough for me, especially when, because I was like, all right, is she reserving the L word or the falling for for later or not to

like to anybody? because she doesn't want to let that slip and go too far with these dudes because outside he says, I love you. Here's her responses, okay? I'm giddy and excited. I'm falling so hard for you.

It's growing exponentially and it feels unreal. That does not... And I can totally see a future with you, which she said to all four of them. That doesn't invoke confidence in me. No, no, it didn't. And then Devin's confessional

was him being really excited. Now, obviously, that was a mix of Jen's words to Devin and her confessional. Devon's confessional was, I feel so great right now. I couldn't be happier. And it's like, you just sat there with your dad talking about how you didn't want to be the first one to say, I love you. Because if she reciprocates, then you're going to think about how she's saying it to other people. Yeah. But then you were the first to say, I love you, and then she didn't say it back.

So maybe that is a win for him because she didn't say it back, so he doesn't have to think that she's saying it to other people. Look, I don't know. I think it maybe it was just like a weight lifted off of them because he won. to say it for so long. But I get, that's my whole thing. Duh. Dude, I don't know. Like, you're not like dropping a bomb here.

It's like, yeah, you've been the most forthcoming with your. Dude, it's the L bomb. It's literally a bomb. No, I get that. But he's been the most forthcoming about how he feels better, especially with this group of walled off gentlemen that we get to after this. And then Jeremy the fucking wild. This is why he's the dark horses.

When they're doing their date, I'm like, all right, this guy's, he's done. I thought the lead up to that and what we'll get into Jeremy in a second because I thought they were having a lot of fun together. That's it, though. His family fucked him. His family ruined him. The sister was crazy. She was not having it at all.

She was a fucking wildcard. And you need to, again, this is, I'm just thinking about how this works behind the scenes. They're home, right? Like, Devin goes home. He's talking to his family about everything, gearing them up for what's about to happen. If you're Jeremy, how are you not home? I'm like, what's his sister's name? Did you ever written down?

No, because it all happened so fast. It was so focused on what she was saying. I was like, good God. How does he not, if you know your sister's going to be like that, like sit her down and be like, hey, don't do that. Like, just don't. Don't ask real questions. At the very least, this is a fucking game show.

Help me out here. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Let's just get right to Jeremy, because that wraps up the Devin portion. And it's just, all I wrote in the beginning was it's just different. Like, you felt it. it with Dev and you knew it was going to be like that obviously Jonathan has question marks but as Jonathan says later when they do get together he's like there's this energy between us

I'm like that I agree with that yeah always this kind of weird energy you to have and obviously if Marcus were to say I am in love with you I think she'd be like I'm in love with you too she would only have one bro's yes I think that would be it so that's the big outlier here but with these two I guess there's just it's different like they're in this wacky grocery store that looks legitimately like sausage party. That was insane. It literally reminded me of Seth Rogen Sauskentica. You want to take a road trip?

It's Fairfield, I believe, Connecticut. Take a road trip. I love a good show in New York and just pop up there and just go to a weird grocery store. Do the avocado dance? The avocado thing was cool. I like the animatronic all over the store. Anything animatronic I'm into. I am too until I think like five nights of Freddy kind of thing.

And I'm like, I want to come alive at night. I think of there's a place that was a restaurant near me that when I was growing up. It was called Bugaboo Creek. Bugaboo Creek. And there was a huge animatronic moose head that used to talk to people. And if it was your birthday or a special celebration. It was just like a knockoff of Chucky Cheese. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the moose would start singing and then he would talk to you personally. And you're like, yeah. Okay. I love animatronics, yeah. I do too, but they admittedly freak me out also. I don't trust them. It's all right. Anything that looks and moves like that without a soul, I scares me.

How do you know they don't have a soul? That's what scares me. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I get that. What if they do? And, like, that's the Five Nights of Freddy thing. Like, what if they come alive? And they're mad because they're animatronic and they want to steal somebody's soul so they can be more human-like.

That's, yeah. A glimpse into my brain. Yeah. Okay. You kind of ruined animatronics for me. So, thanks. You're welcome. But anyway, you know, I love that there's the moment.

He's like, oh, my God, that's my aunt. And I'm like, she fucking knew you were going to be there. I don't know if you didn't know she was going to be there. But I just wrote that out, she must be. Oh, tell him. She must be that. that wacky, like, nosy aunt that's like, I heard Jeremy's going to be

at the store, I've got to pop in, and then she acts like, there's no way that was generic. That was like when they were having the discussion of, all right, who's going to be at the house later, who's important to me? All right, Aunt Sally, you just quite didn't make it. Yeah, you're on the list. And she's like, what if I just, you know, I just happen upon you in the town.

Please don't do that. Please, please don't. But where are you going to be? I won't show up so that I know not to go. Oh, that's what happened. That's definitely the move. Where are you going to be so I know not to go there so I don't end up there?

We're going to the wacky grocery store. What is that place called? Did we get a name? God, I wish I knew. It didn't have a name. They definitely told, I don't think they put like a graphic up because I would be easy to find. Yeah. I mean, on Google, that wouldn't be a hard Google search.

But I got to ask, we're back here. They get to dinner. And like, again, cute, fun date at the store. If we're talking about normal relationships, I have the most hope for these two in a long run scheme. Because they're getting to know each other organically. it's fun they're having a good time it's not that deep yet as it was jeremy's play too like let's go to let's do weird things together the fun run is stupid and terrible yeah i hate the fucking fun run i can't stand the fun run but like nobody else has stood out as like oh this is like a normal

couple act normal day how are you going to make this you're going to show off your hometown try to like relate to yourself and be like look this is what we're going to be able to do this is just going to be a fun day between the two of us that's what we always do and i feel like that's what Jeremy's been doing the last couple of days, the last couple of episodes even, and I feel like he was true to himself. And that made sense to me. I felt the same way. I was like, this, this seems like an actual relationship. The other ones, it's like, we're still trying to break down walls. It's like, all right, we can have fun together first and then break down walls later. But that's my point. But that's the game show, I know, yeah. Game show part of it,

where Jeremy's play for a real relationship makes the most sense. We're getting connected over, you know, it's only been three weeks or so, maybe a month. Why doesn't anybody ever pull, I guess bra or bravo, I guess ABC probably doesn't want you to do. do this. But Jeremy could have been like, look, I want to see if we can have fun together and then we'll organically move into everything else because so many of the bachelors and bachelorets get divorced. Oh, yeah. Like, can somebody just point that out at least once? And be like, look, I'm scared. I want to just go about this normally. Look at the track record. Oh, yeah, track record's a good play. I wonder if we'll ever see that. I don't think we're allowed to do that. I don't think,

well, we're allowed to do that. We can. ABC probably doesn't allow that. Ooh, that's an interesting. What you point out of our shortcomings. Hey, fuck you, buddy. Because, like, two of us have remained married. Gone the distance. We're going to showcase them every time, too. Yeah, right? They always bring back the same because they're the only ones still together.

The radio booth last week. But we need to talk about it again, because they're at dinner, and they go over, like, his intro, he drove up in the sports car and made a dick joke. But again, they bleeped it out, and it started with a pee. Yeah. What is that? It's got to be pecker. Yeah. And they even blurt out his mouth.

I couldn't even make the, I couldn't read them. What is a P word? I just don't think that anybody else cares, and that's the worst part because you and I need to know the answer to this. They definitely care. Nobody cares. It's either a pecker. I looked it up.

Nobody's talking about it. I tried to find it out. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, at this judgment. Usually you go to Twitter and everybody's talking about things like this. Nobody, I'm just glossing over it. No, this time too. How are they not intrigued? I don't know.

That's why I'm asking you. Give me another P word for penis, unless it's just penis. Porn instrument. What? Instrument and porn. No, I get it. Where the fuck did you... Have you used that before?

No, I just thought of it. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. That's a weird word. You know that I just... You know that I just thought of that. Or instrument? That's disgusting.

Yeah, I know. I want you to get out of my house. Pickle. Pickle's funny. Pickle's funny. How did you blur out pickle, though? Blurp. You can't blurb out pickle.

It's got to be pecker. It's got to be pecker. It's got to be pecker. Pinnis. What if he'd literally. just said penis. That's funny. Let us hear it. He's got a big penis. All right, Jeremy.

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But Karen, his mom, is, like, starts the vibes already off. Because the first thing she says in her little confessional is, when I saw that she was the Bachelorette, she went on to describe what her perfect man is, that is not Jeremy. She watches The Bachelorette. I'm convinced. Well, yeah. She even said Journey. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. She definitely watches. But her initial response is that the man you're looking for is not him. That's not the traits that he embodies. Well, we've been saying the whole time. That's why he's the dark horse. Yeah, I know. I think you're right. I think that it was truly a, oh, shit, Jeremy's still here. That's what I think. I need to figure this out. Oh, he's kind of fun. Let's just keep him. We talked about that before the show. I think that he flew under the radar for so long that all of a sudden, she's like, oh, fuck, Jeremy's still in the game. Yeah. But to be fair, I do think that, like, Marcus and Jonathan are the two that, are still in line with what she described episode one. Agreed. And again,

we're teaming them up. Devin and Jeremy are not. I know. Yeah. But Devin got the first rows. Devon got the first rose. I wonder if that matters. He's the most emotionally open out of all the three that are left. That's the funny thing when we get to Marcus. He's way more

emotionally open than he even recognizes. It's just being able to portray those feelings. I'm going to save that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But Jeremy's sister. I don't know what her fucking name is. Holds her for a chat. Hey, let's go talk. So what's different about him?

Oh, he's funny. He hasn't expressed his feelings. He's holding back. And she's just like, look, honestly, you don't want to get engaged. Yeah. More or less. Like, I just don't think he's ready for that.

I was like, what the fuck? We just back doored your brother. What is that about? And like, I get it. But here's the funny thing watching this because, like, I'm watching it through a bachelorette lens. We're watching a show. In reality, this is the correct response.

response from your family. After dating a woman for three weeks, that's dating other men, this is what you want from your family. Hey, no. This is insane. Yeah. This is crazy. Absolutely odd. Yeah. But as you said, did he not prep the family? Hey, guys, don't do this. Hey, sis. I understand, like, the mom. Sure. Getting questions. Yeah. But for your, and even, like, I even understand if your sister is going to have questions. But to say straight up, I don't think he's ready for this. See ya. You just got him kicked off the show.

Like, we're done here. They should have just left at that point. Because that's the whole goal. You just took him out of the running. Because if he's not ready for that. No matter what he says, it's always going to be, it's going to come back to, well, I don't want your family to resent me. Right.

Because they feel like we move too fast. Correct. Meanwhile, you go to Jonathan's, and he's got a fucking brother who's married because they move too fast already. But he was also skeptical, but in a more. confident-inducing way, not get the fuck out of my house way. That's the vibe I was getting.

Like, this is ridiculous. Why are we even wasting our time with it? And it just gets furthered when Jeremy sat down with his mom. And, you know, she's like pretty much saying, like, this isn't a game. This is your life. Which, again, the correct response for a normal situation. But it's The Bachelorette.

And she's also like, I'm concerned that there's other guys involved. Like, what do you want? I'm just skeptical. And I legit in this moment was like, fuck, my guy's done. There's no way Jeremy survives this. He didn't, as we find out later. Spoiler alert. But when the mom sits down with Jen and the mom's name is Karen,

when Karen sits down with Jen and like compares Jeremy to the other guys, again, it's just we have the best time. It's a lot of fun. Do you think he'd be ready for an engagement? Because I just met Her response to Jen is fucking baffling I just met you And that worries me

It's like Duff Yeah it should You're correct Like in a normal In a nutshell I'm happy that this happened All right

Because it at least brings some sanity Because I agree We've been watching this From the Bachelorette lens Like yeah So all of these things are very normal I needed somebody to be like What the fuck is this

Well you got that Like times a million Yeah Yeah And this was, this brought me back down on earth and I started looking at things a little differently. Perspective shift. Honestly, it's like, well, Devon's family is insane. This is crazy.

They were very accepting of this whole thing. I'm glad we got a lot of different levels throughout this show. Yeah. But what bothered me, honestly, was not that. Because what they're saying makes total sense. If they're not on a TV show, whatever. What bothered me is just. Jen then says, like, I felt like she spin-zoned it.

Like, Jeremy's not ready for an engagement. Yeah, but when you were talking to mom, you weren't all gung-ho about it either. You said that there's a lot of question marks. You're not sure if you can connect that deep. Don't put it all on him. You were not like- She didn't do that with, oh, she did it with Jonathan when she was talking to, or Marcus when she was talking to his sister.

But that was different. That was way different. Way, way different. Exactly. This was way more a, again, I don't even know what I'm doing here. Jeremy just kind of snuck up on me. Yeah, like, what the fuck's going on? We haven't had time.

And we said that last week because he got the last one-on-one, right? Yes. So he got the last one-on-one, and that was purely a... We haven't had a chance to actually connect. We need Jeremy now. And then he gets into the final four, so that just seems short-sighted. And you're still trying to play catch-up. I still think it's because Grant is the bachelor.

Yeah. So they're like, you can't pick him. You can't pick Grant. This is a throw-away. That's what I think. I think he was just... He was the dark horse. He had a great one-on-one date.

But let's be honest, his family fucked him. Yep. Family screwed him out of it. He really screwed him. But, or protected him. Who the fuck knows? But we get to Jonathan in San Diego. And they have a little lax date.

And this is what he says. It's this unspoken energy. And there's no better way to put it. Yep. They've always had that there's something here. I was a little upset with the lax thing. You already did that. Of course you were.

You did it again? Why not? It's comfortable. know she knows how to play. You already pulled it out once. It seems like you guys only have one thing in common. Lacrosse. Wow.

It's a small sport. It's a little skeptical of Jonathan. He got a lot of points from me, not the lacrosse part, but the rest of it, I like. The rest of it was, I think his family did a good job for him. His family was solid. I think maybe that's what it was. It was the dichotomy of going from Jeremy's family to Jonathan's. You're like, whoa.

Or real people. Devons. Devons to Jeremy's. You're like, all right, maybe, yeah, maybe Devon's family was way too quickly to accept it. Right. And then you go back to Jonathan's, you're like,

all right, this is sort of middle ground-ish. Yeah. Like, skeptical but accepting. Yeah. Not get the fuck out of my house. This is ridiculous.

Why are their cameras? And then Jeremy had to just like, claw back with his family and then back with Jen. He's like, I swear I got him into this. Like, I really want this.

I'm falling for you. I didn't believe that either when they're sitting on the bench. I just, the minute their date ended out, I crossed the last name off of my team. I'm like, he's not going to make it.

Yeah, dude. Just simply not going to make it. You want one of mine? Nah, it's all good. You're going to take home the win. That's how it goes. I'm an honorable man. I will accept defeat.

Yep. I hate you. Yep. And my team. Yep. But that is what it is. All's fair in love and war. Yeah.

Fitting. Sure. But what I like about these two, is they're able to discuss the fact. Like, that's the difference between Jeremy and Jonathan. Is they're in a similar boat as far as where are we going, right? right but what they're able to do differently is they can talk like hey by tonight i want to understand where we're at yeah i want to be on the same page with you obviously we got some walls to work on but i'm hoping that today can be a big step forward the communication

these two have they have good communication they do i i feel like they do as well and and again i agree that there's some sort of unspoken energy they're exploring that i think what it does come down to for this final four is truly they're all in different categories right now where I would say Devin is love bombing her. Yeah, but not in like a gross way. No, no, no, it's love bombing doesn't always have to be gross, but it just seems like he is and he's the most open

and he talks about how he's falling for her and his family loves her, so it's comfortable for her. Okay, good. That's good and comfortable. There's Devin, good and comfortable. Jonathan is a bit more middle of the road, but it's still like she's into the explanation. where he's being communicative and he's talking about how, you know, we still have some

things to figure out here. But overall, I would say the energy is really good and I want to explore more. She's okay with that. Devon's good and comfortable. Yes. Jonathan and Jeremy are in the same realm. She just looks at them differently. Yeah, because one is, I'm curious to explore further.

Yes. The other one is we have to explore if we have any chance. I don't think we do. Yes. Correct. And then Marcus is a complete other end. I'm in love with this man, but we'll need him to realize that, right. Yeah. Yeah, he's on a different point.

But that's a good, that's an astute breakdown there, Magoutz. But we get to the family and we get to meet the brother and his wife. Zach is the brother. And they met on Tinder. They said, I love you on date three, moved in together shortly thereafter. I've been married for, what did they say, like seven? Four years. Four years.

Four years. So if anybody's going to be on your team for this show, it's these two. And I appreciated the brother's approach because, you know, he's very concerned about Jonathan. He's the older brother. He's worried about him getting his heartbroken. He's worried about there being other dudes. And he asks good questions. Yes.

I loved his questions. Are you falling for the other guys? And she says, you know what? Yes, I am. And then he asks, good honesty. Great honesty. Can you let yourself fall in love with him? And that invokes a smile.

she smiles and say, oh, that's good. And she says, I'm on the cusp. That's more than she gave them. He's not willing to do. Yeah, Devin, I would say it's the same thing. I don't think so. I think this was more forthcoming than she was with Devin. Because I think that in the realm of Devin's...

Well, nobody was asking her those questions at Devin's. No, but at the same time, I think that because of the atmosphere at Devin's, she was more likely to say something like, I am falling for you because it was what the night called for. In this moment, it's more of a... I'm going to put you to the grill. a little bit. Let's see you how you respond. And the smile to me was big. Her being like who, and it's like, okay, you are for something.

I think that that still would have happened if people were asked. The questions that were asked that Devin's family were very positive and very, you know, talk about like what you have with my son. Whereas this was a more pragmatic inquisitive thing. Whereas

Jeremy's was, this is fucking insane. Yes. You can't feel these things. And then Marcus's was Jen talking the whole time. Yeah, but That worked. We're going to get there. Yeah. We're going to get there.

But Lisa sits down with Jen. Lisa is the sister. And she says, like, I don't know you. I don't know her. But Jonathan does seem quite smitten with you. So she acknowledges that, which I liked. And I just wrote down, this family's tough. But they asked the good questions.

All of them ask great questions. She goes, is he a contender? Wouldn't be here if he wasn't. and then the mom even says I think that Jen's smitten I'm getting and picking up vibes from her so you know what Jonathan you need to let your guard down

and see if this shit can work and that's when he sits down with his I guess Lisa's the mom yeah yeah because that Jonathan sits down with his sister who drops a fucking great pregame speech you gotta play big to win big bro go all in and I was like hell yeah because that the

what do you want to call it the story arc of this date, this family date. This was Devin and Jeremy's combined. Yeah. Because, yes, it's love. Yes, they want this to work out. They're worried about Jonathan. They're asking good questions.

They grill her a little bit. They see that this could be something. Now they're supportive. It's a good supportive family. It's a very good supportive family, and they go about it. I like the way that they went. I think it also went a long way to tell Jen, like, essentially, we'll kick him in the ass.

We'll get him there. Yeah, we'll give him the boot. If we vouch for you, then we'll get him on board. Or we'll at least push him in the right direction. That's what's important on Family Day. Yeah. So hometown for Jonathan,

I think, was the most successful. Yeah. As far as furthering his... Furthering their relationship. Yeah, I would agree. When they sit down at the end, he's like, look, this really opened my eyes. I'm getting there.

I'm falling for you. And like, I can say that and be 100% truthful about it. And I was like, you know what? I don't know why, but I believe him. I believe that that was genuine. and that's what we needed because Jeremy's wasn't. I didn't believe that at all. That was like a last-ditch effort of, oh, my God, my sister just kicked me out of the show.

I love you, or I'm falling for you. Jeremy's was more like, it was truly a hometown show. It was, check out my hometown. But that's what you want, no? No, I don't think so. No, I think what you want is Jonathan. Oh, what I want? I'm saying what's normal.

Yeah, like, let's go. And even his explanation of it when he's sitting down with the dudes later, like, this is what our life could look like on a day-to-day basis. I'm like, that's good shit. That makes sense to me. Yeah. But what this is really about is meeting your family. It's not about the animatronic grocery store.

You're stuck on that. Yeah, but like, I feel like that was Jeremy's ace in the hole. But we're going to go to the cool, weird, funky. It should work. It should work. But it doesn't. This is more about how the families accept you and how it's going to further your relationship with Jen. Fucking Jeremy got hosed.

He had no chance. Karen wasn't having it. Now, you know what I'm, and I know, you might. You might agree with me, but you're not going to agree with me. I would have loved to have met Sam M's dad after seeing that Facebook post. Are you kidding me? I would have loved that. What do you mean? God. That Sam M's family. Oh, and he was engaged before, too? Like, that would be a cluster fuck.

Yeah, I would love to have seen San Am's fan. And Charleston, too. Yeah, that would have been great. That would have been, I wonder if any of the dudes we know on Bravo and Charleston have ever run into Sam. Sure. You think? Trevor. Can we hit up Joe Bradley? No, Trevor probably is hung out with him, yeah. Trevor still hangs out.

Trevor still hangs out. He thinks that he's the coolest. Sam M also does the bike taxis, yeah. Oh, I wonder if they're co-workers. Probably. That would make a lot of them. They are. They are.

They are. Trevor and Sam M are co-workers and roommates. That's, wait, that Trevor's from Philadelphia. That's where Sam M gets his Jalen Hertz lines. Wow. We did it. Yeah. We love going full circle here.

Thank God. I feel way better. Yeah, that was good. I didn't know how much I needed that. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, nice job. Nice job.

Now let's get to. It really cleans the. a porn instrument, you know what I mean? I just find it really hard to believe. And I'm not saying you're not clever, because you are. Is that clever? Well, to pull that. It's kind of clever.

When I say, find a P word for penis, and without hesitation, you go pornstermint. Yeah, that makes me believe that you've thought about it or used it before. But I'm going to. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to use it again, too. But it's just, that's all. But, hey, random as fuck, by the way. that I don't know if you guys saw our account today. I posted a story.

My dad is the AAA manager for the Mariners, and they are in Tacoma. The Tacoma Rainier's, I believe. That makes sense. Because it's rainy. Yep. No, that's not what it is. It's about rainier, but whatever. The Tacoma Rainiers, and my dad just got his 1,000th professional win as a manager in professional

baseball, so shout out to my pops. But he's in Tacoma. And then, of course, I'm like, oh, fuck, what if they go to a game? What if my dad's on the Bachelorette? and I had no idea. He wasn't. That was a bummer. That would have been really fucking funny.

But I didn't see Marcus taking her to a baseball game, though. I could see Marcus taking to her a ball game. I could see Marcus being an absolute wreck before this meeting. Oh, he definitely was. He definitely was. But the thing about Marcus, and we've said this since date one, Marcus is 100% the most genuine, authentic person on this show. For sure.

He is 100% himself. And his past traumas and walls that he's put up are so. significant and quite understandably so that what you're seeing from Mark, he's not playing the game. He's just like, this is who I am. This was like his sister probably urged him to go on the show to like, just get yourself out there. Get yourself out of your comfort zone. Go have some fun. Who knows what's going to happen? And he's like, fine, I'll go do it. And he ends up in the final four as the front runner. Yeah. I think that's 100% of right. Final three, actually. Now, yeah. Final three. But as we know, his familial situation is a little bit different. So,

He's got his sister, is his actual family. Everybody else there is his friends, I believe. Yeah, it was mostly friends there, yeah. It's his chosen family. It's the family that he has put together since. Careful with that phrase. Chosen family? Oh, God, yeah, bringing up Roanjay.

Oof. Why did you have to do? We would have kept going. I wouldn't have even stuttered on that. Yep. But you just brought it back up. I have to. Why?

I have to. You're gross. Why is that gross? Because I don't want to think about it. It's fucking Roanjay's dead And I wanted to remain dead Until they figure out how to fix it Should have done this at Rails

We should live recording at Rails For the Bachelorette Why, I don't know Uh, anyway Marcus and Scott Scott's one of his friends He seems like a fatherly type figure He's an older gentleman

But uh Marks is very forthcoming with the look I'm stuck between this like and love phase I really like her a lot but I'm not Also did they not do an activity? This is just like It went straight to the family Yeah right

Because their activity was they met on the beach, and then they didn't do the fun thing. I don't really know why. Yeah. I mean, it's on me. I don't typically forget things, but I don't think anything happened and I just dropped it. No, no, no, nothing happened. They met up, and then they went immediately. Oh, I know what my, I know what happened.

They went to a ball game. They just didn't show it. No, I know exactly what happened in my mind. What? While he's talking to Scott, there's just a huge American flag flying behind Marcus, and I'm like, Military. Nice. Was it? That's what it was.

Yeah. You got distracted? I got so distracted. But they still didn't do anything. Nope. Beforehand. Nope. So what are you talking about?

I don't know. Did you forget the scene where he's talking to Scott? No, I remember the scene that he's talking to Scott. And I forget the activity beforehand because nothing happened. And then, well, they met. And that was their activity. Yeah, I don't know. Everybody else did something.

But they didn't. So you're not missing anything. I know. It was happening right now. But then I forgot that they met outside of the house because I was too distracted by the the American flag. Okay. Yeah, that's what happened.

Do you feel better that you worked it out? Yeah, yeah, I do. All right, fine. Can we get back on task now? Yeah, get back to Scott. Okay. The juxtaposition of Marcus and Jen, and this is what tells you he's in a league of his own. He controls the destiny of this entire show because she's afraid to fall too hard because she,

and that's the first time we've really heard of say that about any of these dudes. Yeah. Like, I'm afraid of this one because I'm catching feelings and I don't think he's really, reciprocating those feelings. And I love the sister, because you can tell that she's guarded as well. And I can't imagine after what this man's been through, like how protective those close to him would be.

Yeah. And she's just asking, like, why does Marcus stand out to you? And she just says that it's the first time she said this flat out. She goes, I'm falling in love with Marcus. Everyone else, I'm falling for them. Yep.

Falling for them. I'm falling in love with Marcus. And the sister, she felt it. And there's an emotion, the sister's crying. Jen talks for like 10 straight minutes. But that's what you're going. This is the most we've gotten out of Jen all season. But that was why it was masterful, because the sister just gives her a prompt, hey, why?

And then let her go. And she just keeps going to the point of tears. Yeah. They're both crying. That's real. There's a real connection here. Hopefully, Marcus, he's in charge. He needs to make a decision.

Are you ready or not? Because I truly believe if Marcus came out and said, look, I'm in love. with you let's do this everyone else loses yeah absolutely that's exactly what would happen i saw this going like i really wasn't sure what was going to happen because marcus has been doing this all season yes and it's confusing as fuck using imagine how jen feels i'm waiting for the mystery to wear off where jen's going to be like all right like everybody else is telling me that they're in love with me you can't get past that i can't move forward with you it's close it's got to be close and i actually thought that there was a chance

that Jeremy redeemed himself at the end. I don't know why I talked myself into this, but I did. That Jeremy redeemed himself enough. Just him personally, without worrying about the rest of his family, that Jen would sit down and say, look, yeah, I don't really get it. Like, Marcus is not

clicking back over. Everybody else is ready to go. I can't move forward with somebody who's not ready. He wasn't going to get a rose. I think that she would rather have the mystery of Marcus and the hope that maybe it works out. I take that back because she stayed with Sam M

for fucking week after week after week getting nothing from him just because she wanted to bang him. Yeah, yes, exactly. So this makes sense. Okay, this tracks, actually. Yeah, I think that it's more so like you would rather the cling on to false hopes with Marcus because she's so into him.

And Jeremy's like, you know, whatever, maybe it would be something if we had another year to work on it, but we don't. Yeah, I don't think he had a shot. I think he was dead as soon as his family got involved. But Marcus does say that he's fault. calling for her, which I didn't fully believe that he fully believed it. I don't think so either, yeah. But we get to the dudes at a restaurant.

Rails. The dudes are at Rails. I guess they have multiple locations. But they're addressing the elephant in the room. Devin, as always, is the first one to share. And this is where, and you see it when Marx is talking about his family and talking about how he's feeling in his confessionals. And he goes in a confessional here and says, you know, I just feel behind.

and even says this to the guys and is opening up to them and saying his reservations like how about you guys what we're seeing from Marcus you know he wants to say that he has a hard time with emotions he's walled off this and that

I disagree I think this man is very good at opening up and talking about his emotions I think that he has difficulty moving forward and trying new things and taking risks but as far as portraying his feelings

where he stands how he's feeling he does a very good job I know exactly how Marcus feels. I know exactly how Marcus feels, too. I feel like he's told us exactly how he feels about himself. Yeah. But he's not doing the thing that Jen wants, which is telling me how you feel about me.

No, he does. He just talks about how hesitant he is and closed off and like whatever. I know that's how he feels. But that he can't expect more. If he's not in love, then read between the lines, Jen. Well, what I'm saying is what Jen needs to do is realize he's not ready. Right.

This isn't going to work. Well, you don't know that. It's not going to. There's time. You can't... How much time? A week? At least two weeks.

In our time? We don't know how much time it is for them. They're traveling all over the country. At least... They're going somewhere weird again next week. At least 10 days. They go to Hawaii next. So at least 10 days.

Fuck, he's going on with the show. I thought they stayed in one goddamn place the whole time. They stayed in a big-ass house. That's what I thought. And then took a trip to one fancy place and then went back to the house. Yeah, and then hometowns and then back to the house. Yes. Yeah, that's what I thought too.

I'm cool with that. I'm tired of seeing shitty hotels in multiple cities. Stop showing the courtyard Marriott across the world. Yeah. It's not selling. Well, they probably have more budget now because they're only housing three guys. So if they go to Hawaii, they'll get a cool place, maybe. I, God damn it, I fucking hope and pray after I just said that, that it's like a double tree Marriott.

In Hawaii. Yeah, or Double Tree is Hilton. Yeah. Double Tree by Hilton. Get your hotels in order. I trust me, I've stayed in all of them. But, yeah. So that was my old point with Marcus, is that he does, like, I think he's really hard at himself for not being able to open up.

But I'm like, dude, you actually do a much better job than you give yourself credit for. And I think that's important. Yep. So whatever. We get to the ceremony. And it was done before it started. I knew it was going to happen. My only, not hope, my only hope for my team, I guess, was I thought Marcus potentially was going to bow out.

That's, yeah. I thought he was going to get the rose in. He still can, which is so funny. Wouldn't that be wild? That would be great. If he gets a rose next week and Devin is left there crying. Well, there's two guys get roses next week. Yeah, so Devin would be the one.

I think Devin's probably out next week. I imagine it's going to be fine Jonathan. I think it's Jonathan Marcus. Yeah, I don't. I think Jonathan's out. I can say whatever I want now because I already won. I know. So it doesn't really matter anymore, and I'm really have skin in the game.

But I think Jonathan's getting kicked. You think Jonathan's going home? Again, that is similar to a Jeremy where it's like, if this was six months, Jonathan's my front runner. Because Marcus, I don't think, is going to open up. Jonathan would be my, I think that that would be a much more organic and genuine relationship. Right. I think that because of the show and the overwhelming feelings that Devin is portraying,

I think he is going to win because I don't, I think Marcus is going to be her top choice. Yeah. I don't think he's going to get there. Okay. we'll see i know we'll see that's my that's what i think i think jonathan would make the most sense if they had more time but i just simply don't think he's going to make it long enough not enough time time but then you get to live in san diego but we will find out shortly uh in the next couple of weeks who our bachelor i guess bachelorette winner is who is the who's the bachelor who's

the bachelor who's jens who's no longer a bachelor there we go we're talking about yeah we get two episodes next week. Oh, yeah. Wait, is it over next week? No, I bet you they go two and then one finale. And I think the finale's live. I don't know why I think that. Well, we saw there's a bunch of the dudes coming back, which I am so happy.

Sam M. Yeah. Sam N is probably what I'm most excited. Sam N should not be invited back, but no, he should be supervised or there should be people watching him. Yeah. I wonder if he's still a virgin. Love or otherwise.

love or otherwise um he's still he's both i hope that we get i hope the first episode next week is them just continuing their relationships or whatever with no rose and then tuesday we go in and the entire episode is just all the guys coming back talking to jen and sam m still tries to make out with her oh my god how many of them do you think are still going to be like i have a shot here at least one of them yeah thomas n or sam n that thinks they're I think Sam M. is going to be a fucking dick to her. I think he's going to be like,

I never liked you anyway kind of deal because that's what butt hurt dudes like that do. I think Tom was... He's going to pull Jackson being. I've been working on myself. Quite possibly. I can only hope and pray that Sam M's

dad is there as well. Correct. But yeah, I'm probably most excited about Sam N making his return to TV. I need a whole episode of that, hour 20. Yeah, that would be... And it would be really funny if it's like they're talking on stage

and like what's his name Jesse Palmer's like trying to talk for the show and he's like hey can just talk to you for a second tries to steal her away like he did that one episode yeah let's go talk real quick no no you're out that would be incredible

but I guarantee you that he's gonna be like scorched earth like Devin's still here you know what that guy said about you and just like make shit up I'm curious what the approach these men's gonna be but uh oh it's gotta be

that's gonna be wild for Jeremy if he's coming back like he comes back that quick yeah yeah like it's still fresh i'm excited i'm pumped that's probably what i'm looking forward to the most from this season is the the recap from the dudes all coming back gonna need it we are almost there everybody so for those you that have joined us on this bachelorette journey and are enjoying this don't you worry because we are definitely doing the bachelor with grant uh we love doing these shows they're just so fucking fun and easy, so this is going to be... I can't wait for them to announce that it's actually not Grant.

You just keep going with this. I fucking Google it, you idiot. I said it last night on our community Zoom and Kara, confirmed it. I just love the ways... Shout out Kara, who loves Arreal... What if they announced the Bachelor, and Grant has been selected as the Bachelor, but not this Bachelor? He's like next next season. Then nobody would give a fuck for next next season.

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