Bros & Shows - Hopeless Not Toothless- RHOBH S12E15

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

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And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Shooter Magouter. Shoots, how are you tonight? Doing great. Weather's cooling off.

Phillies are heating up. Eagles and Training Camp. Bravo on TV. Starting a new show. There's a lot going on and a lot of good things going on for us. Literally all I'm watching right now is the NFL network and like training camp stuff and Bravo. But that is the only thing on my docket.

And I'm 100% okay with that, especially like it finally got a little. little bit chillier this week. Like there's a couple of evenings where, like, there was a little brisk breeze, if you want to say. And I'm getting the bug. I can't wait. I'm like fall, like, get, I'm fall ready. Ready for some fucking football Sundays and just like some fall weather or some pumpkin shit. Like, give me all of it.

No, it is, it is great. I mean, we have so much going on. And look, it's the preseason for us, too. Yeah. We're getting geared up for a good fall of football on one TV, Bravo on the other TV. And I'm excited. I will say I'm a little pissed. And I might not cut any videos together this week because you just came from dinner and are looking like Rico Suave and I'm in, you know, gray shorts and a fucking t-shirt.

Well, you know what it is? Honestly, and my girlfriend even said this. She said, you wear a hat in every show. I was like, so is Steele. And she's like, nope. Steele had a, you didn't have a bandana. You had a... Oh, my daughter made me a headband.

So I wore that. Yeah, a floral headband. It was great. Yeah, well, she did a fantastic job. I wanted to show off her artwork and maybe start an Etsy. There you go. That was my plug for my daughter. Yeah, everybody's got to have a little sidegicks.

Yeah. You know why I actually made conscious decisions to take my hat off two times? I did it. That was purposeful. You know why? Why? So when I started working at the gym, after like three or four months, somebody came out to me and, like, it was the first time I took my hat off.

They were like, oh, I thought you were bald. Oh, my God. And I was like, oh, for you. fuck i was like is that a thing and they're like yeah like a lot of guys that are like losing their hair wear hats all the time so i was like oh shit like i have to consciously take my hat off in situations if you watch some of our earlier videos on ticot or like some of the clips we have you will see me take my hat off at times and brush my hair back just to show people 100% that's 100% a conscious move i don't have to my hair is completely fine it's tucked under the

hat, it's good to go. I don't need to readjust it. I readjust it intentionally to be like, hey, guys, I do have hair. Yeah, I did that a couple times too in the last couple of weeks now that I'm thinking about it. I think it's unintentional. I think I just do it because my hair is growing out of control. Yeah. If you ask my girlfriend, she says that I have, she called me a mushroom mullet today. Um, looks at that one hurt. Uh, you know, take away from that one. I immediately looked to see if I get a haircut in before vacation. No, no haircuts available. So, you know, it is what it is, I'm just going to keep growing. The mullets are coming back.

Mullets are coming back. Did you see the child mullet tournament? The mullets were fantastic. There were some really great mullets. I love a good mullet. Yeah, it's, I'm happy it's coming back. I think it's great. Now, the funny thing is going out to the bars, like down the shore, there's a lot of kids

walking around, like, 22-year-old kids with mustaches and mullets. I had a mustache and long hair. I'm like, fuck, do I just look like I'm trying to be young? Like, what is this all about? Oh, you think you're trying to fill in? I wanted to go back. Are you having like a quarter life crisis? I don't think so.

I think I just did this on my own, unironically. Or a third life crisis. I guess we don't have to get into that. It is weird. Obviously, you can say like the 80s are coming back. Top Guns back. It's the new. 100%.

It's the top movie of the summer and Mullets are back. So the 80s are fully back. I did this. Today. I literally wore jorts today. You wore jorts like two years ago, three years ago. You wear jorts all the time. Yeah, dude.

That's my point. See, I've always been fucking in. Just people didn't know it yet. I was cool before this shit was cool again. I want you to remember that. Thank you for pointing that out. Well, it is. One of my friends wears, like, t-shirts, like band t-shirts,

and it's always like something cool from the 80s or the 70s or whatever. And he has a Kate Bush t-shirt. Now, he's had this for months. Oh, really? Before the Stranger Things. Before Stranger Things, yeah. So in the beginning of Stranger Things, I asked him, like, are you worried that people are going to call you a poser?

And he's like, no, no, no, no. Like, I'm excited. I think the Kate Bush deserves this. Then halfway through the season, he's like, yeah, I mean, I had a Kate Bush shirt on. I went to a winery and somebody came over. I was like, nice, stranger things. It's like, oh, that's a tough look. It is.

Well, that's like Poppy was born like two months before the trolls movie came out. Yeah. And then after the trolls movie came out, everyone assumed that she was named after Princess Poppy, the troll. That's a tough look. I was like, fuck you. Like, that's not. No, the troll was named after my daughter. My daughter, is the reason to say.

But yeah, you know, it's a good time for fashion. I'm fitting right in, so I'm thrilled. I do want to take it down to a, you know, a little bit of an emotional moment, if you will. I don't want to get too deep, but we're about two hours away from August 18th, which is my four-year sobriety date, and I just wanted to... Hell yeah. Yeah, and, you know, it's obviously a big milestone. for me. I just wanted to share it on the air in case I have any fellow members in recovery or

people trying to do so. Yeah, I think you do. I honestly, I think that when we do this, I think a lot of people appreciate it. Like when it's on TikTok too, you see a lot of people checking in like congratulating you talking about their own journey. And like that's really what you want. Oh, absolutely. I love that I actually have a platform where I can speak to people and just say, you know, there's a lot of us out here. And I'm proud that as long as I don't fuck it up in the next two hours that I will have four years sober and uh you know for those you that don't know like shooter and I went to high school together we played baseball together like we were best friends for shit 17 years now yeah there was a gap in there where we didn't really talk for what six years

maybe and a lot of those years I was actively drinking and pretty bad and they got really bad towards the end but to think now like four years later I'm sitting with you in my house back in Philly and we're recording a brav bros episode like and we're speaking you know to thousands of people right now it's just fucking incredible and this is one of the things I'm most proud of stuff I think because it's just a culmination of like a friendship it's a culmination of just it's a really cool moments I wanted to say that on the air thank you to all of our listeners like this is a really fucking cool moment for me I don't try not to cry right know.

Yeah, I don't want that on the air. We'd be nothing without the listeners. Yeah. Without them coming in and taking the time to actually listen to us. And like you said, there's thousands out there now, which is wild to say out loud. It's fucking crazy. But, I mean, it's great. And, you know, I don't know why you guys enjoy us.

I think we're idiots. But here we are. But we love you. Yeah. And we love you the same. And we hope you love us the same. But our boy, Craig, my man, back in the gym. He's lost like 20 pounds. He's feeling good. He's excited to take his shirt

off again. And I don't know if that's because of Paige. Or maybe he's just like realizing like, hey, I got to get in shape. Hopefully he did it for both of them. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's two ways to go about that where like you can either be the guy that gets fat in a relationship, breaks up and then gets back in the gym so that you can then, you know, attract another girl or another guy, whatever you're doing. Or you can be the guy that's happy in his relationship. and wanting better things for himself. And I think that's where Craig falls under. I do too.

It's the same thing. I mean, we saw this two episodes ago where they were talking about like Craig dressing well. Like, oh, did your girlfriend dress you? Like, no, I'm just happy. And I appreciate looking good even when I have a girlfriend,

especially for her. Like, that's who I want to look good for. So I think he's just genuinely happy and I get that. I do. So I'm, again, I mean, we did this last week. We said that they were the best,

the best relationship in all of Bravo. And I feel even more that. way after this week's episode and hearing the news about Craig getting it back in the gym. And look, we love a bro who's just going to work on himself and get better. And that's what he's all about. Yeah, you got you love to see it. You know, he loved to see a fellow bra, bro, bettering himself. Moving on from that, um, we did have a pretty spicy rumor come out.

And I want to dive into it because I want to get your take. Allegedly, very allegedly, um, um, There's a rumor out there that Mo and Dorete had a little affair. Now, I don't know how credible it is. I have seen zero evidence other than like an Instagram post and like some claims. But how feasible do you think that is? So here's the thing. Do I think that they had something going on?

I think it's super feasible. And I'll tell you why. I have them, them being Doreet and P.K. They're swingers. As well. Yep. Swingers. Absolutely. I don't know if it's exclusively with Kyle and Moe or if there's other people who pop in. I mean, Doreet's been talking about this guy that she wants to set up with Garsell forever. Oh, do you think that maybe he's involved and they want to pull Garcel in. Maybe they want to pull in Crystal and her husband. Like, I don't know. But I have to believe that there

are like rings of swingers throughout Beverly Hills, probably a lot of famous people. Yeah. There has to be. I think they just live like that and like, I mean, there's a lot of writing on the wall. There's a lot of rumors that come out with different people doing this and that and whatever. This seems pretty feasible to me. So yeah, I believe it. I don't think it was a full-blown affair. I think Kyle knows about it. I think it was probably approved.

I think that I'm going to take that same stance. I think that if something did happen and I think it's entirely in the realm of possibility, then I do believe that. there were four consenting parties to this at least at least if not more so that's our theory and we're sticking to it yeah hell yeah swingers we're gonna stand one way or another right then the last thing that i saw that i wanted to talk about um there's rumors of next year's cast of uh robha and who may or may not be there now there was one thing i saw it said they're just like gutting the whole franchise and like starting from scratch but that was quickly shot down but there are a lot of people

saying that they think diana and rina are not getting asked back now i could definitely see both do i think that that's the only ones that need to be cut no like where do you stand like who do you think needs to be how do you change it up to make it more fun to watch not as like dragging yeah i i don't know. I mean, I feel like I caught like the tail end of last week's episode and watched Rinnah Cry again. I mean, it just looked so fake. But it looked faker this time. It looked faker this time. The second time I watched it, then it did the first time I watched. I think it's because we sat here and we talked about it. Yeah, probably. Very extensively. And now I went back and I'm like, oh my God. I looked at it from that perspective. Yeah. And I was like, uh-huh,

like that. It's bullshit. It seemed very soap opera. It absolutely. But I do think like, yes, one, I think Diana, unless she does something dry. I mean, she had her. weird storyline nobody cared move on unless she does something in aspen which i don't think is going to happen no the highlight's going to be gathie yeah yeah so i i don't really care if she comes back rina would be a tough loss i don't think rina should go as of yet like after one bad season their mom dying or whatever they have one she's i mean she's had a couple i mean but they've all kind of had like down seasons i've agreed i i've just helpful yeah it's just helpful if some of the others like raise it up whatever so i i think rinnish should stay i mean crystal it's tough but she's not

really i know what she's going through i'm like i'm not going to minimize that but she's not doing a whole lot as far as the housewife show i've honestly i've changed my stance on her a little bit which i like her but i don't like her for the show i don't know because i feel like she's becoming more relatable because she's you know bearing her soul for all to see right now what you're getting is 100% genuine now if she can carry that over and like hopefully she starts to you know get better and she starts to feel better and then we can see this like genuine crystal then start to have some fun and like be able to be a little bit less stressed and like enjoy herself then that might be a different person than we saw previously where she's you know

trying to force narrative she's trying to be relevant she's trying to be a quote-unquote quote housewife and now you're getting a peek behind the door where you're like wow when she's genuine she's relatable and she's real and i've actually appreciated all of her scenes in the past few weeks yeah i think that's fair and that's kind of where i am but i look at it from like an entertainment tv perspective and i think i've come around on crystal meaning that like i like her better but for the show i'm like eh she could she could go she could stay i'm not really going to care too much about it. But what I do want to think about is, like, how many housewives are there on Beverly Hills right now? Eight? Yes. Oh, fuck. Like seven. So I think the original plan was,

if Diana doesn't pan out, we've got Shari kind of like wading the wings as a friend. I like Sheree. I like Sheree, but the problem is she has some screen time. She was obviously at Lisa Rina's party in this past episode, but you didn't really see her do a whole lot. So I do wonder if she did stuff and then production ended up editing it out because it wasn't that good. So I'm wondering if she's kind of like failing this test. I don't know, but that would actually play into. I did read something like an hour ago actually that said Sheree made a comment that she believes that Sutton is a hindrance pretty much, that she does make it difficult for Garcel to connect with anybody else in the group at least. Like I did that came up on my Instagram feed.

So if she's out there saying that now, then maybe that's true. Maybe some of her scenes were cut and she's not making as big of a splash as she thought and now she's like throwing some shit out there like trying to stir up the pot. I will say one thing they they just have to fuck it. They can't add another person in that it's just going to be like ooh Sutton let's rag on her because it's getting so stale and it's so annoying and like she doesn't stick out for herself in a good way so it's not going to work she needs Garcel no one else is doing it and Garcel even said that tonight about like yeah we fucking know that you guys are all friends you you remind us every day enough we don't care.

So the ragging on Sutton sucks. So if somebody's going to be like, here's my storyline. I'm just going to jump on the bandwagon. Like, no, get the fuck out. Find something fresh. Find something new. So honestly, like, again, Diana can go, I don't like Doreet, but I get why she's on the show.

So keep her. Erica's still great for the show. Sutton obviously runs the fucking show with everything that she does. This year, yeah. And obviously, you have to keep Garcel. Kyle, you know, I don't need Kyle really anymore. So I would say Kyle before Renna. yeah so oh before renna yeah i'd say i'd say kyle before renna and diana before renna and diana that's where

we disagree i think renna smell you later kyle give her another season to have some kind of redemption from this year but that's i guess that's if i'm like really picking and choosing if i really wanted to boil it down all i'd really say is get diana out of here just inject maybe some new fresh blood just see what happens diana failed put someone else in i agree and just keep putting one person in self-ling them out and just see what sticks. But we can both agree that Rina and Diana getting axed is not the worst thing in the world. No, it's not the end of the world. Yeah.

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Oh, God. Well, that takes us on to Southern Charm and the fucking dog wedding, which I'm not doing the dog thing tonight because there's too much to point out. So I'm not even going to dive into that part of it. But some things popped off this episode, but there's a lot of dragging in between where they're getting ready for a dog wedding. It's not that interesting to watch. But they start out, like Whitney and Shep, which I don't ever want to see alone on the screen together, walking the dogs, to, like, introduce them to each other. They can get to know each other before the wedding,

which I do think the whole thing's kind of funny. And, like, I actually appreciate how serious they're all taking it. Like, if you're going to do something this stupid, you've got to be all in. So, like, I appreciate that part of it. But they're, like, walking and talking about marriage and why they don't want to do it. And Shep says that he's afraid of getting divorced. Like, he's so afraid to get married because nobody in his family has ever gotten divorced. now like I could see why that might make you scared of commitment okay like I can understand that

you don't want to be the first one in your family to fail because I'm sure your reputation overall in your family is not fantastic right but when you're 40 something 42 like at that point you need to be at a point where you can at least start to weigh the pros and cons and be more comfortable with the thought of a girl that you're dating for two years that you could marry that woman like that pissed me off but the thing that pissed me off the most most above anything else is when they're talking, Whitney makes a comment where he's like Lamborghini comes out with a new model every year. It's like, gross, dude. Yeah, I mean, that was, I knew that you were going to absolutely hate the two of them on the screen together.

It is funny, though, because, I mean, we talked about the dog wedding, the prospects of a dog wedding last week, and neither of us were thrilled. But I came around a lot and I thought it ended up being really funny and I kind of like the idea and while I came around a little bit for Patricia because I thought she was fine this episode I thought she was funny I mean there's one scene that I just fucking hated her but the rest I thought was funny I hated Whitney even more so you know net loss nothing really but yeah the two of them on the screen together talking about that I look Whitney can say whatever the fuck Whitney wants to say because he's not in a relationship he doesn't care this is how he feels him and Sheper essentially the same except Shep is in a relationship

so going into it like and I think about this all the time like when the significant others are watching this again and they're seeing the scenes that they didn't see like Taylor had to go through the Charlotte scene where he's just bishing about the fact that she's apologizing and like insecure and he's mad about it and then he goes talk to a girl and then they're talking about the landmines like Taylor got through that they broke up apparently got back together yeah but what she's going to watch this episode and be like all right we're broken up again like yeah i don't understand you just you just got to go and it just doesn't make any sense and like i think about it all the time like these people have to

know that they're on camera and that these things that they say are going to come back like how are they going to spin it how are they going to do this and we talked about self-awareness last week with Craig like page isn't there so he's going to see this interaction with Naomi he knows this and he sets it up the right way. And he set it up the right way and he did the right thing. So like, Shep is not doing any of that. And maybe it's like self, like self-sabotaging. Maybe he's like, Taylor's going to see this, flip out and leave. And then I have a reason to just move on rather than me just breaking up with her because I'm not ready for commitment. Oh, a little bit. Yeah, like he needs to find a reason to end the relationship without him breaking up because he doesn't want to be in a

relationship. That's actually a really good point. And that might be what he's doing if he's self-aware enough. I don't know. Well, he's been on camera for nine years. That's where I knows how to manipulate a situation like that. I agree, but I think that's almost against your point of like they should know there's cameras. I think that some of these people get so conditioned to the camera being there. That's true. That it just comes out. Like they don't censor themselves anymore.

Well, that's what makes for good TV too. So that is what you want to get to. Just not with Shep and Whitney. Yeah. But I will say like my problems with Whitney are like just, you know, the nepotism and like all of that shit. but I will say at least he knows, like, I don't want to get married right now and he's not dragging some woman through a relationship with him. Like, that I can respect.

Like, if you're going to be that guy, okay, like, I don't love it, but at least you're not drag, like, again. Well, and you know he's looking at Shep having that conversation, like, waiting to see what Shep says because he's like, dude, I know you. I know how you feel because you're me. You're me. I do want to commend the party planner. I do, she did a good job.

holy shit she turned around within a week and got everything there wasn't she even got the armadillo cake yeah but aside from the weather i mean which she can't control no everything was perfect yeah and she did it to and she took it very seriously and i you know what i want to commend that kind of hard work we need that we need more people like that and i love it i agree maybe she was the star of the episode i didn't even think about that she did such a good job i didn't even notice that's how you know it was done. That's how an event planner should work. Effectively.

Yep. So bravo. Actually, no. Star of the episode is the veterinarian. Yeah, he did steal the show. Jesus. He wrote his own speech before and that thing hit off. It was full of dog puns.

It was great. Yeah. He had a dog tie on. And when he walked in, I was like, this guy's walking in. Like, what the fuck am I doing here? But he was prepared. Oh, he took it seriously. Well, I mean, you know what?

He also wanted to party. So he wants to go in and have a good reception. Hell yeah. But, like, you know, just to build off of that, I don't understand what the thought process of sticking Austin and Madison up there was. That's, I mean, that's Patricia being Patricia, I think. She is a little potter. Oh, yeah. But she knows what she's doing.

Like, later on, and we can just kind of jump there because nothing really happened in between. Patricia sits down at that, you know, finally Austin and Madison seem to be talking about, like, what the awkwardness is, like why Austin's upset. It's taken all this time to get there. And yeah, the conversation sucks and it's awkward and uncomfortable. They're not really doing anything but kind of badgering each other, but they're talking. Patricia inserts herself into the situation to stir the pot further. And not only that, while Craig's sitting down, she then invites Naomi over.

So now you've got like a perfect storm of shit. She was sitting there the whole time inviting people in. she saw Craig walk by. Craig, come on. I think you need to get in this conversation. I know. Like, why does Craig do? I mean, here's the thing, though.

I do, I actually do think that Craig needs to be close by because he can probably control Austin a little bit if he pops off and gets upset. But then to your point, like, yeah, Naomi, come on and sit down. Scooch a little closer in here, like right next to Craig. Why does he have to be there? So I think, honestly, because she made that comment about like, oh, like there's an altercation at a dog wedding. I think she was almost highlighting how absurd it was. And she's an intelligent woman. Like her career and I gave her the short end of the stick early on before I got to know what she did.

Like she was, you know, a badass. She sold art like all over the world. Like she made a ton of money. She's intelligent. So I think that this is 100% like, oh, you're going to be ridiculous here. Well, let's make this ridiculous then. I'm going to bring everybody over and make it awkward as fuck. And if that was a play, if she did think that and do that, she goes up a notch in my book

because I think she did. I think everything, all the evidence is right there. I think she did this on purpose. And I mean, not to say that she had the dog wedding so that she could then have this side show act. I think that because they were sabotaging her dog wedding, I think she was upset that they were starting shit at her party. She's like, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. I'm going to solve this real quick. And then you get Naomi and Craig split off. and they're finally talking. Well, the one thing that I do like about, and the end of that whole thing was that, you know, once it got to the point where you've got Craig sitting on the one chair, very uncomfortable next to Naomi, Paige, like,

standing in the room behind him, like, what the fuck's going on? You get Austin, who's getting worked up talking to Madison, getting nowhere, she's just, like, waiting to see what he says, and he has a lot of feelings, and I fully agreed with everything that Austin was saying. I did too. And then simultaneously, they both stood up, Got the fuck out.

Oh, the boys left. We missed a line early on when they're standing about to walk down the altar. And Austin turns around and goes, why are you the way that you are? Yeah. And I laughed out loud. I l-oled. It was great. And it was like the first thing that he said to her in like three, four weeks.

It was so good. Pretty much since she got engaged. He's just like, why are you the way that you are? It was so good. Like enough of your, whatever you're talking about. But we get the Naomi Craig conversation. And they're talking. and for the first time it's like unfiltered on Craig's part like yeah we've seen him kind of take

this tact of like not wanting to rock the boat not wanting to stir the pot just get in get out keep my hands clean but in this instance you know we had that scene earlier on where page walks up and she's not dressed for the occasion like she's going to be freezing cold the entire time she looks great but it's freezing so everyone's like oh let's get her jacket Naomi makes it the biggest scene in the world she's like oh my god somebody get her her jacket you're going to be freezed like she overdoes it to the point where i didn't think she overdid it here's this is a tiny difference we had a good run we were agreeing a lot we were vibing all night you're going to do this shit yeah now now here's the i mean i do i'm gonna probably

agree with whatever you're going to say about craig and naomi later but here i like page walked up and i'm like ooh immediately oh here's the thing if you're craig and she is going to leave the house like that it's i think november again no fucking idea what time anything is but let's call it november okay in charleston raining probably like low 60s high 50s why is she wearing a summer cocktail dress like that i don't know fashion is pain baby i get it but like she should have she is a fashion blogger she should have like seven different things and be like all right if it rains i'm gonna wear this if it's cold i'm going to wear this maybe she traveled light i doubt it have you seen Like, have you seen her go to summer house?

Yeah. She has to have a whole room for a closet. That's true. No, I don't think she traveled late. But also a little bit on Craig. If I'm Craig and my girlfriend came from a different city, didn't have whatever she needed because it was cold out. She ends up wearing your jacket anyway. Why don't you just give her one of your blazers at home when you realize it's cold and raining?

Give her a blazer that kind of matches her jacket. I'm sure you've got like something with a little pink in it. Pop it on. Looking great. Nice and warm. There you go. Boom. My issue is not with the job.

jacket. Well, I actually didn't even finish my thought. I got so fucking sidetracked with nitpicking fashion. That was a period. Dot. Edward done. Moving on. No, but I did think and like I, like I've seen girls interact before. Like that was a normal interaction I thought for girls to be like, holy shit, like you're going to be freezing. Like can we do something about this? I didn't think that Naomi. I think that they, the cameras were on her because they do want to see that interaction. But all the other girls were also making a fuss. Like Taylor kept saying stuff and yeah but she was so in every oh no no I think it was too enthusiastic about it it was too because I thought she was being nice and here's the thing that I do like look I do think

yeah behind the scenes maybe she wants to not sabotage but she wants to be in her worked somehow but I do think that it was genuinely like get this girl a fucking jacket yeah like come on you got to be cold I'll I'd give you my jacket she said I'll I'll give you a jacket somewhere like it doesn't matter I thought it was just good I disagree firmly, but fuck, whatever. But yeah, back to Naomi and Craig are talking, and Naomi's trying to make it not awkward. And she's saying, like, you know, you can't even, like, be around me and it's uncomfortable and this and that. Like, let's not forget.

And I do know this much, like, back when she was dating Matul, he was so controlling that he didn't make it a choice whether or not she could be around Craig like Craig's doing this out of respect for Paige page page doesn't say like no you can't ever be near her period it's just like out of respect let's not do one-on-ones and I get that they hooked up months ago yeah and so she tries to draw these comparisons between Matul and her and page and Craig which is insane and well before she went there she started talking to Craig and Craig shut her down and said wait are you insinuating that I act differently when my girlfriend's not here yeah Because no, that's not what's fucking going on.

I like that. And I thought that was great. I did too. I did too. To make that statement loud and proud and in front of the camera. So Paige can see that shit. This is what I introed with, baby. Yep.

I love you. Oh, yeah. But he quickly stops her when she's trying to make the comparison. He's like, time out. He's like, this is nowhere near the same thing. You left a loving relationship with a loving boyfriend to go be with a controlling asshole, verbatim. and that I literally dude stuck my hand in the air like the end of the fucking breakfast club and held it there because I was like finally he gets to say this to her to her face like no you fucked up you fucked all of this up I was there was he perfect no was he a good dude yeah and you belittled him you took him for granted you went after this one dude who was a piece of shit you left Craig for that got totally fucked over and now you're trying to save face

or like make it seem like it's not that bad and like weasel your way back into this and he drops the fucking nuclear bomb on her like you don't affect my life anymore which i fucking did like six fist pumps because it was just the perfect way to end it like fuck this fuck you i'm out and i'm done i do think that like the end of that when she i mean she didn't say a word during all of that which one I appreciated because I think she was just too taken aback you think she was shell shocked I think she was just like fuck he is 100% right and I have no rebuttal yeah I mean I honestly like because I was trying to think I was like have I seen Naomi like yell over someone while they're talking or whatever and I don't I she's done it with katherine but like I didn't really

think of anything specifically I think she was sitting there like holy shit like Craig is real with page and I there's nothing I can do That's a really good point. Like, I am whatever, maybe she even realized like, holy shit, my intentions weren't pure. My intentions weren't platonic. And he's right. And I'm, I need to back the fuck off. I think maybe she, I don't know, when she was just shell shocked, I thought there was got to be so many things going through her head.

But she didn't blurt anything out. She didn't yell back. She didn't argue back. Nope. Appreciate that. And I think she probably came away with it with a newfound respect for Paige and Craig. Yeah. So hopefully, I mean, look, I like Naomi.

I think she's fine. I think she's good for the show. And I hope that she continues and finds something else. And it sounds like she might next week with Whitney. But here's the thing. At the end of it, and while I loved everything that Craig said, I loved his actions, him walking out with Paige afterwards. You could see, like, Paige with like a slight smirk, like probably turned on as hell.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're about to go home and do it in every room of that house. I think my girlfriends are the exact same thing when it happened. But they walk away and my thought was, does Craig mean it? Or is he just saying? I think he was saying it. I don't know if he necessarily means it when he says, like you don't affect anything

of my life. I thought it was a really good line. But I do think that he, I think she does still affect his life. Okay. So I agree and disagree. I don't fully disagree. I do think that he meant it, but I think he means it more in a non-plotonic fashion.

Like, there's no feelings here anymore where I'm going to second guess or that I miss the relationship with you. However, I do think she left enough of an imprint on him where he is going to care what she thinks. He is going to be affected when she's around. Like, he is going to have her in the back of his head when she's present in a situation.

Sure. I think that she affects him in that way. I do not think it's like, oh, fuck, I miss Naomi kind of thing. No, and neither do I. And what I will do, I've got two, I've got a question, and then I have a next topic. But question first, is this or does this play out differently if Craig and Naomi did not hook up a few months back? If they broke up and they've been done for a long time, they didn't see each other, there were no extra feelings there. Like, do you think it plays out any different?

Yes, I do. I think so, too. I do. Because I think that for Craig, what Vegas was was closure. I think it was finally closure to move on from it. Yeah. Without that kind of closure, I think now you have him second guessing some things. I think that now he sees a single Naomi back home.

I haven't seen her in a long time. She broke my heart, but I kind of missed her. She looks great. Like, uh-oh. So yes, I think you get a very different scenario. That's a really good question. Well, that's from Craig's perspective. What about Naomi's?

If Naomi didn't hook up with Craig, do you think she comes back and has the same thing? Like, oh, Craig, it looks like he's dating this girl. He might not be. They're kind of taking it slow. Are they together? Are they not? Whatever.

Did that hookup, like, open a door a little bit for Naomi? Oh, do you think the hookup led to her being? See, I think that it was converse actions. I think while Craig was closing a door, Naomi was opening the door a little bit. And then second topic, do we feel bad? for Austin with the Olivia situation absolutely not I do even a tiny oh man yeah look I don't hate Austin anymore so this is not me taking a dig at Austin okay I did say to Dev when we were

watching it like if you're gonna date fine like don't bring him to the dog wedding like that was kind of mean well did you see what Marcy said yeah where she wanted that to happen to kind of push Austin forward so it was a move it was a play by Marcy. But no, I don't feel bad for him in light of the fact that he told her, like, I don't expect you to stop dating. Yeah, we didn't see that when they first aired. No, I don't think we did.

I mean, they just did like the ho-hum of him talking about Madison for 45 minutes straight. But see, I felt bad because he first, he shows up, he has to deal with being the fucking best man or whatever right next to Madison at the altar. And he had a funny comment, and he said, I don't want to be anywhere near an altar with Madison. Yeah, this is my nightmare. Great. Funny, awesome. And then Olivia, who, yeah, you're taking it.

It's slow. You're not really sure. She shows up with a date. By the way, did anyone fucking, like, you're going to a, it's a dog wedding. I get it. But you're going to a dog wedding at Patricia's house. Yeah. You don't get dressed up for that?

You wear, like, what did they say, lumberjack chic is what that guy was wearing. Well, I think, hold on. I don't know. If I am a blind date invited to a dog wedding, I don't think I'm dressing in my fucking tuxedo. Well, in this scenario, you know who you're going to date. Like, you know the situation in the setting, at least in the realm of like, oh, I'm going to a Southern Charm wedding,

and I'm going to be on TV. Like, that's kind of cool if I, and like, this girl is gorgeous. Like, let me go on a blind date with her. You would say no to that. I would wear something ridiculous if I'm going to a dog wedding. I actually believe that. I think you would probably wear like a. a tuxedo you would wear like a dog bowtie like the dumb and dumber not their orange and blue tucks you would wear like their van but as a tuxedo like the shaggin wagon have to that's what you would probably gotta wear something like that like it's ridiculous i mean he showed up and look i mean like he looked good i thought it was fine he was a wet blanket that dude was yeah i mean and i don't know if he just didn't get like airtime or whatever which not that deserves it but it was just weird and all i could think about

about and I kept like I asked my girlfriend, I like looked it up online. I'm like, how did how did Olivia actually get on the show? Is she friends? Did she start dating Austin then got on the show or like I'm trying to figure it all out? And I guess it's just that like I guess she lived in L.A. or like out in California, came back, lives in Charleston as like a pretty like prominent family. So like she fits in like on her own as a cast member, which is good. So maybe that's how she got in. But I kept thinking like, did she use Austin dating Austin to get onto the then leave them behind and go do her own thing or well no because they're dating now are they still dating yeah oh all right well that might throw my conspiracy theory out there but here was my

conspiracy theory for anybody who wants to fucking hear it uh my conspiracy theory was that she is a new cast member and the whole dating austin thing was just a play by producers that it didn't really exist it was just because we never really see them like my thing doesn't discredit yours then no not necessarily i do think that like like when i was thinking back on their their dates they did a double date with shepp and taylor and then they went like inside a brewery or whatever you never see them like get affectionate they never like touch each other they never like hold hands like nothing so i do wonder if they were like look we need a fresh slate for austin here let's throw them a fake date a fake girl to date whatever and it's the new cast member so it like

it was a little murky as to how she got on the show so i'm like i don't know I don't really know what the fuck's going on. So I thought that it could be a conspiracy theory that they weren't actually dating. And then this gets her on the show. And then she just goes and does whatever the fuck she wants. Because that's what it seems like now. Okay. I don't hate it.

And that takes us to the Robha, the main event, if you will. We're back at our favorite name charity, Homeless, not Toothless. Toothless and Homeless. According to Kathy Hilton, Toothless and Homeless. which I'm actually glad that they picked up back here because I wasn't done watching it. I wanted to see how this plays out a little bit. And this is like the aftermath of, you know, Renna's Meltdown and then everybody seeming to be cool. And then they sit around the table and they kind of start to jab at each other a little bit.

And as they're jabbing, they at least have the wherewithal to point out to the guests that are still there that are part of this charity. Like, hey, guys, like, you can go. You don't have to sit here and listen to this nightmare. anymore like thank you for coming by i would have stayed oh i would have too but can you stay in that scenario if they're forcing me out no i feel like that's a not really an invitation to potentially stay or leave that's like hey it's time for you to go yeah yeah but yeah i would stay too given the option yeah i'll sit there in the corner and have a mohito how did you say it like that mojito you really enunciated the he yeah you got it um but crystal is brought up again

and they're talking about the eating disorder and this is addressed later in the episode and I'm glad we get to hear it from her perspective but it rubbed me the wrong way and it usually does when the women approach this topic because they do it in the wrong way and they're like she rightfully says

like I have been talking to people I've been talking to people since I was 13 I'm actively looking for somebody to talk to right now and Kyle fucking says are you talking to the right people that's none of your fucking business like she is she just told you she's trying that should be enough by the way she doesn't owe you shit anyway she doesn't owe you a fucking explanation if she's not in the right space to do so

but she just offered you what you guys were asking she said i'm getting help and the other thing that i took away from it was someone was doing the right thing and it was lisa rina because she went behind camera to reach out the crystal and say hey i've got a couple people if you're interested dude I get she gave she gave she gave her eight doctors yep to talk to like here here's a list I know you're doing interviews great awesome didn't have to be on camera was sincere because it wasn't on camera and like that's the right move and then you get Kyle on the other side like questioning her process well clearly I mean you've been doing this since you were 13 nothing something's not working are you talking to the right people yeah like fuck off fuck it's that's such a rude

thing to say and it also makes it seem like this is something that is so simple that takes talking to the one right person to correct it. Not that it's a lifelong battle that you may or may not ever overcome, but you just hope to get better. Yeah. You hope to be able to manage it better. So for you to say that, like you fucking know any better is so disrespectful. It's condescending and it's just fucking mean.

It's a mean thing to say when she just gave you all you need to hear. You don't deserve anything, but here's a little snippet to make you guys feel better because I feel pressured to tell you this. Yeah. Fuck that. No, and I will say one thing, at least, Kyle, I think she said the same thing at Renna's house. So at least she said the same thing behind her back as she did to her face. Okay.

But if you want to fucking, yeah, nitpick on this one just to try to give her something. Yay. But we can't seem to get away from the liability comment. It keeps coming up time and time again. I don't think with the liability comment, I don't think it's ever actually been addressed. I think that Sutton is rightfully so asking Erica. Erica just keeps saying the same thing over and over. She just explains, I think, your liability to Garcell.

Hey, you've never done the team. Hey, I appreciate it. And she doesn't explain what the fuck she's talking about. She just keeps saying it. I'm like, all right, we're getting nowhere. But Sutton's like, I feel like we're getting nowhere. Can somebody explain to me what the hell this means? And no one else is chiming in.

It's just Garcell. And I said it earlier in the episode. I'm so fucking tired of them just ragging on Sutton. Like, that's the only thing they all do. It's the only play. And it's like a group of me and girls picking on one person. And Danny Pellegrino actually tweeted out something tonight. And he said because this group never shifts alliances, it's less entertaining.

Like, it wasn't exactly what the tweet said, but it was alluding to the fact, like in other franchises, like Roney, you have ever shifting dynamics. Yeah, I mean, Jersey, you see it. Yeah. And we hear about it during the off season. I know. It happens constantly. And you just see these like one woman says the wrong thing and all of a sudden she's on the other team and then someone else takes her spot.

And like that's fun to watch because you never know who's going to be against who. And like who makes up with who. And that's what we root for. And like that's why I, my theory in the beginning was we're going to get Erica and Sutton on the same side at some point. Yeah. We got way far away from that tonight. I know.

And I like, I was just trying to speak it into existence because I guess like subconsciously, I'm just fucking tired of. of the same four girls, five girls, teaming up on the other ones. And it's annoying because they never like, they say shit to each other, but then they don't get mad about it. And it never becomes a thing.

They just like squash it behind the cameras, come back and then they're good. And this is why they need to whack at least two of them off the show. Yeah. Is like, you need to show this crew that they're not untouchable. Like I think they've gotten to the point where they think they're bigger than the show. Yeah.

Or that they are the show. Yeah. And I think the only. I think the only housewife that can honestly claim that, and I hate to say it, is Teresa. Like, I think that she is iconic enough and that breaks my heart to say because I do not like her. And you know that. No, but you don't like her, but at least she like, she doesn't care who her friends are. No, she doesn't give a fuck.

She goes off on anyone. Yeah. So that keeps it interesting. Like, if we got that, if we had Lisa Rinna sitting in the corner and they were saying shit and she just popped off on Erica or popped off on fucking Doreep, that would be all. awesome. And we just never get it. And it's like, all right, if this is never going to happen, then why am I still watching? Could you imagine how electric that fight would be? If you had like Kyle, Rina, and Doreet just fucking like going after each other?

I don't think they'd be able to handle it at this point. Rina probably would, but I don't think Doreet and Kyle would be able to handle it. I don't think so either. I don't think they would have the comebacks. I think that Rina, once she gets that blind rage, she can say whatever to whoever, whenever, but yeah, I don't know if I think Kyle and Doree are so comfortable with each other and like not rocking the boat that they will never do that. Yeah.

But then, like, we get the most random comment of all. And this is, again, like, Diana Jenkins inserting herself to get some kind of airtime where she brings it back to her and Garcel and that she feels like she can't get to know Garcel because she's too guarded. She puts these walls up. Mind you, the last interaction we saw between these two was them coming to terms and being okay. And Diana is saying, like, I can see it in your eyes.

You like me. And Garcel not really giving a very convincing, like, ha, yeah. Yeah, I just like, yeah, she doesn't like you. But I took that as Diana in like a snide way doubling down on the Sutton thing because she said you put these walls up, you put these things between us underlying Sutton. Sutton's the wall? Yeah, I think that's what she's saying. I think she's just doubling down on what Erica said in a more poignant way to not say, you know,

it's definitely Sutton, but you've got these other things going on. Again, I did think it was super random and it made no sense in the conversation. It made zero sense. I didn't understand what was like, and that even. Garcel's like, how the fuck did this get back to me? Yeah. Like, we're talking about her being a liability. They chimed in and now you're talking about me.

Yeah, that's, I mean, and this is why I love Garcel because she didn't stop and like actually just go into it and go into the addressing of it. She was like, wait, what the fuck? How did this get back to me? Like, and that's what any of us would do. That's what any normal person would be like, how did this get back to me? I have no idea. I know. So that's why we love Garcell.

We do love Garcel. But the dinner finishes off. With Rina going on, like, he's not screaming this time, but she's telling her he got to, like, lead with love or live with love. And, like, she thinks that she has fear. But, I mean, Garcel wins it again because she just drops the Google me line and like, you want to get to know me, Google me. Yeah. Like, fuck you. I'm done.

And I love that. That's what you need. But, like, that's why, again, I'm going to say it a thousand more times. That's why we love Garcel. Like, she cuts out that toxicity. Yeah. Immediately. She identifies that this is bullshit.

we're not going to be friends because I see what you're doing here. See you. Yeah. You want to know me? Google me, bitch. Although I did see scenes from next week

and it looks like they come together or Diana comes to Garcell's house. That's not surprising. No, it's not surprising at all. It's the same thing as the Diana Sutton lunch. Like, do they, would they do that organically? No. So it's got to be a producer set up,

but I don't fucking know. Yeah, but then, I mean, we get the, this scene, between Crystal and her husband, and I thought it was a really kind of nice scene, actually, just to see, like, the support of her husband and, like, the fact that he understands what her perspective is, and she finally gets to say, like, you know, he even says, like, I think they care about you, but they shouldn't be pressuring you. You shouldn't feel like you owe them

anything. And she says, like, I know, when they say that, like, I do feel like they care. and like, but I feel like I owe them something. I feel like I need to do this for them. And anybody going through any kind of major change like this where you're trying to address an addiction or an eating disorder like that, it needs to be you doing it for you. And like she knows that.

And that was really cool to hear. But it was also really shitty to hear that she feels pressured that she needs to somehow prove to these women that she's going to get better or is getting better. And like I already said, like you don't owe them. a fucking thing. No, and we're not in the business of like telling people how they should feel or trying to, I guess, figure out how that works. But that is exactly what's going on. Like that's what they're trying to portray. And you see it with Kyle's comments. And in this situation,

like I, I love her husband. Rob is awesome. Oh, he's great. He's so good. And like, he's so genuine. And we don't get a lot of airtime with him. We don't really get a lot of air time, except for P.K., really, honestly, this season. But he has to. I have to. be great he's he like helped make the lion king and this is why i i love rob you get kathy walking in which was so funny i had no idea i see here's the thing and we got shit for it last week because we talked about the kathy with precious and lizzo and there it was a surprising amount of comments saying like oh come on guys relax it was a joke it's like no it wasn't no it wasn't a joke she's just racist and yeah yeah it's a terrible comment but moving on from that like i

I thought Kathy seen it in this was hilarious because she comes over and she's like, I just drove all this way. Do you have anything to snack on? Yeah, I need a little snack. And then Rob was being a good host. He's like, we've got cheese, we've got this, we've got that. And she's like, do you have a Diet Coke? And he's like, yep, here you go.

Do you want a glass? Yes, I do. Yeah. And like, and it was funny. And like, she, this is just what Kathy does. And they didn't really care that much. And they were having a good time. And like, it was nice to see Rob on camera and Crystal on camera.

like the family moment like having this because we see that all the time with like Kyle and Moe, um, Doreit and PK like this happens. So we, I'd like to see more of that because he's what, the only other house husband out of the, I feel like he might be missing. No, I think that's it really. No, I mean, Harry Hamlin. Oh, yeah. You'd want to see more Harry. I am always down to see more Harry. Yeah. My bracelet buddy. God, going on walks together. The Erica Lisa thing is, it bugs me anytime I see them on the screen because they just rile each other up.

They say whatever they want to because they know the other one will agree no matter what, especially if it's about Sutton. Like they just get a rise out of each other back and forth and back and forth. Erica actually does call Sutton fun at one point. Yep. And then she flips a switch. And like Renan agrees and says more things. I'm like, guys, you're talking about your fucking.

fucking selves right now. How are you going to point a finger at a woman that can flip a switch and be one way, one minute and another way another minute when you yourselves do this almost weekly? Like, that's when this show stops being fun for me because it's like, it's not fun banter. It's just complete obliviousness and like lack of self-awareness to be like, oh, as you're saying all of that shit, you should be like slowly coming to terms like, oh, fuck that's me i'm sure some people actually enjoy watching it for that irony i'm just not one of those people i am not either because i i i'm doing the same thing as you like i'm yelling at my tv like

what the fuck are you talking about yeah and erika eric and renner talking and they're talking about how you know sutton's continuing the conversation or continuing the issue and it's like you fucking started this i know by bringing up sutton being a liability like there's the self-awareness or lack thereof that you're talking about how the hell are you still how are you blaming sudden for this when all she's really doing is just like trying to understand what the hell you're saying no one knows what you're talking about and she really and you talked about it earlier we don't ever know what the liability is yeah that's never come to light it comes to light later like a liability as in she's a hindrance to you getting closer to us the core group yeah doesn't argue with each other The Fox Force 5 or whatever the fuck they call themselves. And it's not even. Yeah, Jesus Christ. And it's not even that. It's really just like, could you imagine a world where Garcell would join that group

and they would just all sit around talking shit on other people and having fun and that's what they like to do? No, and no. Garcel's going to stand up for whoever the hell they're talking about and be like, well, they do it with Crystal. Like when Garcell's there and they're talking about Crystal, Garcell's like, well, maybe she is getting help. Did you ever ask her?

Right. And like, she'll do the same thing of Sutton, but like they can't call Crystal a lie. that's what so it doesn't make any sense yeah i didn't even put that together like that it does have she stands up for crystal earlier in the episode she stands up for everyone i know if she feels like somebody's being wronged garcell chimes in and says why are you doing this like who were you talking about why are you talking about this let's talk to them and she points out like as a friend it is your job to stand by your friend and if someone is nice to me and treats my friend like shit I'm not going to be friends with that person

Like if somebody that I knew was a dickhead to you Like I'm not going to probably be cool with that guy No Like that's just not how friendship works No It was like for them not to realize that Just shows you how far their heads are up their asses Well it's just I think that they're all convinced

That the way that this show works And the way that people like it is for them to rag on Sutton And maybe at one point it was And I'll say like Exactly. And look, like Sutton was brought into the fold, not part of the core friend group, says dumb shit, learns to apologize, whatever. And they ragged on her. And I guess probably people enjoyed that at first, but they're tired of it. And they're also seeing Sutton for like a nicer person. I know. Then she like portrays herself in certain situations. And they're, everybody's fucking tired of it. Like enough. And they probably do sit back and think that everybody enjoys it. And we're having a good time. And they're just so not. self-aware as a group and that's where Garcell comes in where she points out these things and she even says it later she's like yeah I know that you guys are all friends with each other you guys fucking talk about it every day I love that one I'm like yeah they do they always just be like oh

I was talking to DeReed about this and like then you get like to read talking about how she went to lunch with Garcell talking about Erica's uh alcohol problem oh yeah and and garcell said don't be Kyle don't be Kyle and Dorit says it in such like a like shit starting way she's like don't be Kyle don't be Kyle yeah and that was the first time that I saw Dorit actually like raised her voice also I know she like snap back I was like why the why are you shining in because she's got her friends there but who gives a fuck yeah like shut the fuck up and sit there you're not doing anything to this conversation you don't need to be involved right now but you're inserting yourself because your girls are talking shit it's like that that asshole that will start shit with somebody then hide behind his

Yeah. It's like, knock that shit off. You get other people in trouble because you open your stupid fucking mouth. Mm-hmm. But, I mean, that's a perfect segue to how we got to this conversation. We're at Renna Beauty. Like, it's her launch party or whatever. It was, you know what it was, too?

I thought it was like Renna Beauty just the whole line. It was just the lip plumber. Oh, that's it? Yep. Is it that big of a deal? I don't fucking know. I wonder how well it's, I did see she got a deal with Amazon. So I guess it is big.

I have to imagine it's going to do well. Yeah. Yeah, probably do better than her wine, but... Rainer Rosai. It's not... I had a couple of questions about this. They're gearing up for this, and DeReed has skates on, and Kyle's skating around. Do you see anybody skated at this party?

Oh, yeah, no. What the fuck happened? You know what actually, what pissed me off when Kyle got her skates as a present? The fucking note said, happy birthday, mom, enjoy your skates. Then why are you wrapping the skates? You just told her, I've never in my life. Everybody's going to read the card before opening it. I know.

Why? Who writes what's in the gift on the card? That's stupid. I have no idea because it's not like she knew. It's not like it was wrapped in like roller skate. It's a box. What the fuck is roller skate paper? I don't know.

Oh, you mean like the wrapping paper? Yeah, it's like if you, you know what I think of actually it's a in Toy Story. They wrap the present in Buzz Light Year. Oh, yeah. So I'm like, yeah, it's Buzz Light Year. There you go. Okay. Did you imagine how disappointed you'd be if you opened it up and it was like a woody toy?

another one? Well, I actually... A Jesse toy? Oh, yeah, I have forgotten my toy story characters. Wow. I did just watch Light Year. Yeah, I did. I watched Light Year recently.

It was pretty good. Okay. I enjoyed it. But at the party, like, we finally get the invite from Kyle to Aspen. So we get the setup for what's supposed to be this tumultuous event that happens. We've kind of been building up to this, the entire. season but um that's when this whole conversation starts that's when kyle brings it up again why is sutton a liability and that's when we we've already you know started to talk about this but well i do think

that where kyle was coming from with this wasn't the the norm for this year where it's like all right i'll shut the fuck up like we're done i do think that it was unresolved and i thought it was nice because Kyle and Sutton had just had lunch the day before. So she knows that Sutton's thinking about it because Sutton was like, I do want to talk about like, what do you think this is? I actually didn't think that it was a malicious move. No, I think that it's unresolved and it was a normal move to be like, here we are. We talk about this all the time, although now I'm starting to think that it's the opposite.

But bring it up in front of the whole group and let's discuss it. Now I'm like, oh, shit, it's clicky as hell. You're not going to get anywhere. if it involves the core members, you're not going to get anywhere. You never will, though. But when it was between Crystal and Sutton, the outliers, you get the core group together. Something gets resolved. You have a chance.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and then Diana Sutton with the core group, it kind of gets resolved. So, like, those things work. But if it involves Erica, Rina, Kyle, Doreet, nothing's going to get resolved because you already know where the factions are going to lie. so that's that's the outlier of what i will say does not get handled with the group i agree and you know rina will not stop going after sotin like she will not let up she's getting mean about it again we've had not one but two instances in which rina and sotten have come to terms and are

supposed to be cool now and rina has kind of a really not a great line like not a good look for where she's like, you know, if I love her at one moment and I hate her another, like, it's okay because of what I'm going through. I have grief. Yeah, she found her crutch. Right. And now it's like, okay, you're making it seem like you're using this as a crutch, like you just said.

And that's a really shitty look. Whether you're doing it or not, you now have painted the picture that that's why you're using this. You're using it as an excuse. So regardless of what your intention is, and I believe that her intention is to use it as a crutch and be an asshole and then be like, oh, I'm grieving. But even if you're not, no one's going to believe that now because of what you just said. And you're already hurting for ratings right now.

Like you're not high on the leaderboard here. Like she is arguably bottom of the season this year. Yeah. And because of that, like she does shit like this and she's not helping herself. And I think she thinks she's making good TV. I really think she thinks that she's doing a good job. I think they all kind of think that when they're struggling, they pine for these certain situations or these storylines.

And they go in and they're probably like, this is, this is gold. This is great. Like, everybody's going to feel for me because I'm grieving for my mom. They all loved my mom. It's like when Doreet leaned on the, the robbery for now. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it is the same thing. And it's like the other, I mean, the problem with Doreet was that it was the same storyline over and over. And that's how she was, whatever.

She was traumatized. I get it. This is, she has, like you said, apologized, gone back, apologized, gone back. And now she's saying, oh, everybody should feel bad for me because I, I'm grieving. Yeah. So I can say whatever the fuck I want. All right, fine.

If you're going to blow up at everyone, cool, then that's fine. You can be like, I'm grieving. Blow up at everyone. But if you're just right at Sutton every time, Sutton didn't kill your mom. Like seriously, that you can't do that. No, I can't target her specifically. The targeting, yeah, that's a really good point. Like the targeting makes it seem personal, makes it seem less about a grieving process

and more about you trying to start. start shit with this one woman and Sutton tries her best to explain this situation away and this brings up a really interesting rumor that I was saving for right now. Dev sent me a TikTok earlier and it's from a podcast called Georgio says um and somebody sent him an anonymous message and it said it alludes to Sutton having a drinking problem and that she is constantly with a bottle of grapefruit juice and vodka and that she drinks early in the day and she drinks all day and that we would see an instance tonight in which that becomes apparent so that leads us to this scene where Sutton's trying to explain the situation away or like give a stance or something

and she completely loses track of what she's saying Erica chimes in and goes oh and I'm the one with a drinking problem and everyone's like oh and the reactions were i was trying to read everybody when it happened because the message also all show all show a message also the message also points to the fact that a lot of the women in the group know about it and they wanted to bring it into light and on camera but it has not been for whatever reason so i was trying to read them like how they responded to it and like what their body language was like did they actually know and Dorit had a pretty shocking reaction where I was like oh like I don't know if she knew or she was going like ooh because that was a low blow and then Erica doubles down and goes but we'll get

to that later and I'm like again reading the reactions and a lot of the faces people are making I'm like hmm I'm like is there any validity to this I myself haven't seen any red flags that I could be aware of does that mean she does or does not I know and it's a raving rumor if it's not true but I mean I have let me get the funny comment out of the way could you imagine somebody just like carrying around grapefruit juice

constantly yeah that is a peculiar thing to carry around I mean I know that she always gets the kettle one with a little grapefruit juice on the side fine it seems a little cumbersome to carry around but I mean people bring out juice like orange yeah but to be walking around with it

hold on is this any juice or just grapefruit juice. It's just grapefruit juice. Yeah, no, I think it's a weird juice to like drink frequently. Yeah. I mean, I don't, honestly, I haven't seen anything, but what I will say is her, her ramblings or runoffs or whatever you want to call it, she does it all the time. I mean, I guess that could bring truth to maybe she does, but I'll give her the benefit

of the doubt because I really haven't seen like anything else on the show. And I can't imagine Bravo would be like actively editing these things. out when they're highlighting Erica falling down the hitting her. I agree with that. It just seems a little weird. I will say, and this is bullshit once again, like she's throwing a dangerous rumor out there. Like these labels, like we've talked about in previous episodes, the labels can be dangerous

for a multitude of reasons. Oh, see, I didn't take it like that. So, and I didn't watch the TikTok before the episode. So I wasn't looking for the reactions. The way that I took it. it was just that Sutton was being Sutton and just kind of rambling off and not really being able to put her sentences together, which she does all the time. So that's why I don't think that she really does have a drinking problem because this seems

to be just who she is. Oh, no, I don't think she does. I'm not saying that. When Erica said, oh, and I'm the one with the drinking problem, I thought that was just like, you know, like you have a couple of drinks with your friends and somebody's like losing their thought or saying something stupid and it's like, oh, he's fucked up. No, I took it like that. It could be.

but if I didn't read this message prior to the episode and then if Garcel or sorry if Erica didn't say later on like we'll get to that later that made it seem like I thought she was talking about her own drinking. Oh, I don't think so. Because then she immediately said to Garcel. So that's why I was like, oh, I don't think so. She's like, oh, you're trailing off.

You must be drunk. I've got a drinking problem. Ha ha. What do you mean? And then looks at Garcell right away. I took it as her alluding to Sutton having one. And then if that is the case, and I do think it was, but what really pissed me off is Kyle gets up in arms when people claim that Erica is an alcoholic. And she's like, you don't put the label on it.

You don't do this. You don't do that. It happens to Sutton, silence. Yeah. Nobody says a fucking word. And that's bullshit. Because if that's a stance you're going to take, whether you're tight or not, and you claim to be tight with Sutton, like you put on this fucking facade where you go out and have these lunches with her where you're. condescending the entire time you're patronizing you're talking down to her and then in this

moment where someone does the same thing that you didn't like somebody doing to erika you don't say a fucking word yeah that's horse shit and during that that exchange between garcel and erika i i we see the back and forth where uh you know eric is asking garcel like did you talk to all of my friends behind my back because you were concerned for me or were you doing it to take a dig at me or to put me down, I would have fucking loved, and this would have been perfect timing if Crystal popped in and said, were you guys talking about my eating disorder behind my back because you were concerned about me or because you wanted to put me down? That's a great point.

Because then you get like, and this is, if we're not going to break up the faction, if we're not going to do anything with the main group, at least give me Garcel, Sutton, and Crystal versus them. Yeah. Because that would have been a perfect timing and it would have been absolutely like jaw-dropping if Crystal just jumped in and said that right away. Because she's done it before where I think they were in La Quinta. La Quinta?

La Quinta? I think they were in La Quinta talking about this. And Crystal stopped and was like, oh, but you didn't have a problem with her doing that to me. So she does interject. So I thought that that would have been a perfect time for her to just jump in there because that would have been awesome. That would have been great. And I would love to see them square off like group versus group. But I guess we can have this discussion about Garcel.

Like, do we think that Garcel was talking to Kyle, to Doreet, to Rinnett, because she was concerned about Erica, or because she was like, all right, let's talk about Erica. I think that she was concerned. Now, does she recognize that this might be a good storyline and, you know, using this to, like, push her forward a little bit? Is that in her thought process? probably a little bit, but it seemed genuine concern. I didn't see her tearing Erica apart during these conversations. Like she wasn't like over the top being mean about it. She was generally just kind of asking the people closest to her what they thought about it,

which you're not going to get anywhere with them because they're just going to be like, oh, Erica. I know. And they did that, which is a bummer. But at the same time, like, that's what you're supposed to do in that scenario. If you're not as close to somebody as somebody else and there's an issue, You go to those people and say, like, hey, I saw this, but I don't know her that well. Are you not concerned?

No, and that is a good point. But Erica, I mean, Erica kind of spoke over something that did actually happen, where she said, my close friends. All of these people are my close friends. And that's when Garcell says, yeah, we fucking know you guys are friends. You talk about it every day. Don't seem to have a problem with it. However, who came to her house, Erica's house, the next day after... Erica fell over drunk, hit her head, and was concerned and said, maybe you got to figure it out and stop drinking.

Rina. Rina. Yeah. So why, Rina did come to you with concern. So how are you going to not discredit Rana? But again, these fucking girls, like they just, they don't ever go against each other. Would have been a good opportunity for Rina to pop in and be like, Erica, I did come over to your house concerned, but she's not going to do that. And like, we never get those things that we might get another housewife shows.

and, I mean, to the point, this could be why Beverly Hills is getting very stale. Yeah, and I agree. And, like, you know, the kind of last comment once again, Garcel with the haymaker goes, you know, when Erica says, are you concerned? You try to make me look bad. And she's like, you make yourself look bad, period, because you do. And like Erica, like, tries to kind of come back, but it doesn't, like, she falls short over and over again. It's like, yeah, you don't need her to fuck your life up. And like Sutton obviously earlier brought up the lawsuit that she was contacted by an attorney, about a lawsuit.

And then we get the whole thing with Dorit. Like, well, you think that's because you were talking about it. And then you get cutscenes from each fucking woman talking about the lawsuits. And honestly, I agree with Sutton. If somebody's a liability in the group, it's fucking Erica. Without a doubt. There's no way that you can't say that. She has multiple lawsuits against her for obscene amounts of money.

And look. And she could be potentially tied in to like a major. scam with her husband like yeah that is a fucking liability that's the definition but like if one of my friends was involved in that and i had to be contacted by lawyers or contacted by media or whatever you bet your ass i'd get my own lawyer i'd get annoyed i would get annoyed i don't know you got it fucking like i'm not you know what i'm not close to her i'm not friends with her i don't know anything whatever yeah fuck this i'm out and that's like something even says like i didn't say anything yeah like it was i'm out like i don't know anything it was all rumors that's what i said and

like just we we see it over and over again and this episode really really highlighted the faction that stands alone and like it's not fun to watch it's not entertaining they're not good for tv like it's boring as shit and they need to break it up and whether that's getting rid of four of them getting rid of two of them three of them i don't really care and as long as it's not like let's bring in brandy let's bring in no i don't want that either i i wouldn't mind bringing in somebody like bring Denise back without Rinnah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like that's, that's intriguing. And if you're going to get rid of Rina and Diana, like, you're free to bring Denise back because she gets along with the majority. Yeah. So, I mean, that kind of wraps up the episode.

We get scenes from like next week. They finally get to Aspen. But for me, I don't know. Like there was scenes like Kathy Hilton at the fucking homeless, not toothless thing. Like I was. in tears laughing at that whole thing.

I couldn't stop laughing. I was trying to take a note and I couldn't like settle my pen down because I was giggling too much because like she couldn't, she opens with like, you know, the toothless and homeless and it's like, whoa, no. And then none of them actually know what it is, which is so funny because it's like, all right, just figure it out. Like what do they want to be and what are they? Yeah.

They're like, it's toothless, not homeless. Yeah. No. Wait, it's toothless, not homeless. Homeless and toothless. And then when she's like. And then Garcel gets yelled at because she's laughing. Like, it is funny.

It's hilarious. But Doreet gets all up in arms about it. She's like, it is a charity. And I love that. Kathy's response was, look, I understand charities. I work with a lot of charities. I worked a lot of toothless and homeless. And like, that was great.

And then Garcel gets, like, yelled at just because she's laughing. Like, Sheree's laughing in the corner, too. And then at the very end, after all of that shit happens with the alcoholism, with the liability conversation, with everything, you just get Kathy in Garcell's ear just saying toothless and homeless toothless and homeless like over and over again and she's like I'm going to call you tonight and I'm just going to say toothless and homeless toothless and

homeless toothless and that was like I thought that was fucking hilarious yeah dude it was a wild scene and that brings us to shooters favorite portion of the show the questions portion we got a lot of questions tonight so hell yeah we'll see how many we can get through but from Renee Vallejo thoughts on husbands getting involved in fights slash arguments between housewives

I feel a certain way about this. I don't like it. I can't stand it. Yeah. I can't stand it and I think that regardless of the scenario and whatever it may be when a dude steps up and starts to address

because it's usually like a large group of women whether you're right or wrong, it makes you look like a piece of shit. It makes you look like you're talking down to a group of women, and it just never is a good look. And on top of that, just stay the fuck out of it. It's not your business. Well, I think that, honestly, I think this question probably comes from last week's episode with Mo getting involved in the, yelling across the tables. One, Mo was high as a kite.

Oh, stoned off his ass. He was also stoned on his bromance with P.K. He's always stoned. And they were getting ready to swap wives later. and yeah i mean i don't yeah just stay the fuck out of us stay out of it yeah we don't want to hear in the arguments we want the house husbands for comic relief and like lightheartedness yep and the occasional bromance that's all we need yeah other than that fuck off from alexus good what do you think the earth shaking announcement at bravo con will be oh i don't i have no what's

your what's your thought i mean it could be that they're dropping no I don't think that they would make the announcement that they're dropping housewives. Yeah, that's not a very celebratory thing. They already announced. Girlfriends in Paris. You know what? We did have rumors of a new Houseway franchise. Maybe they're going to throw another one out there.

Just keep throwing something that sticks to the wall. Scottsdale. Cleveland. Why do you keep pushing for Scottsdale? I don't know. I actually do think that probably has some traction. But how did we get here? Remember the first episode?

No, I know. But that's not the question. Oh, yeah. I think they're going to, the earth-shattering announcement is they're going to- Housewives of Cleveland. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to stick with that. Okay. I think that the earlier shagging announcement is Denise Richards back to Beverly Hills. That would be a good one. That's my theory.

I just hope it's not another ultimate girl's trip edition. It's going to send another ultimate. They're doing-no, no, no, no. I'm fine with another show. They're not going to take someone from Ultimate Girl's Trip 2 and throw them back out. Oh, oh, and use that as the Earth-shadding one. You're such a bummer. with that. I'm done with that. Whatever. From Stacey Lynn 619, what shows that you cover have you not watched from the beginning? I'll take this one, all of them. That's kind of the start of this podcast is that we got in somewhat later, like not drastically later in some of them. Like I've seen all a Vanderpump. I've seen a lot of most of the shows, but we got into them later on. So that was kind of the allure that we got trapped in was. whoa like they put this shit on TV like what the fuck are they saying to each other I didn't know that

this is what they talked about like this is entertaining but yeah we were later to the party yeah and to kind of jump off of that while we haven't really watched any of these shows in its entirety we are jumping back to below deck season one which is really interesting because it was like 2013 or 2012 so it is interesting to see like the different dynamics of that so we do have intentions of going back it's just a lot of content to kind of take in when we have a lot of live content going on right now so we're we're picking and choosing what we're going to cover from back then we're starting again like shooter said with below deck we got that bonus episode coming next week um but yeah we have not watched all in our entirety but that just gives us endless content for you guys

oh yeah and like we said last week bravo should cut us a check because i know people are going to go back and start watching with us. We're going to start a resurgence of below deck. And they're going to be like, what happened here? The brabros happen. The brabros. You're welcome. Let me take this moment to commend you for reading the names correctly.

Oh, thank you. And a couple of struggles early on with that. Yeah, usernames aren't always easy to read. You know, and I don't want to get them wrong. I try my very best, but I appreciate that. Thank you. There you go. Don't say I never said anything.

But quick reminder, we got that bonus episode coming next week. It will be dropping Monday morning. So you got something to listen to on your first day of work. We're doing below deck episodes one and two, seasons one. Season one, wow. Season one, episodes one and two. We're finally getting below deck together, shooter. And I'm excited.

I've already watched them. And I think I get it. I think I get why people like the show. Yeah, I think it was a good recommendation. Yeah, so stay tuned for that coming soon. And remember to follow us as always at brav underscore bros on Instagram, follow us at brav bros on TikTok and brav underscore bros on Twitter. But again, thank you guys for everything, for the listens, for the love,

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