Bros & Shows - How Does Emmy Keep Escaping? (Southern Hospitality Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

What's up bros? A little split episode between DR and Charleston to get us back on track to finish the season strong with the SoHo crew. Somehow, some way, Emmy was once again able to put on the waterworks and skate out of another situation in which the rest of the crew turned their focus to Michols? We're living in a bizarre-o world but let's hope her comeuppance is on the way in the shape of the reunion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's our weekly update. Emmy, still racist. Who knew? Yeah. It's just kind of, let's just check the till. Yeah, what do I see here? Still racist. How about that?

And still incredibly entertaining when she has breakdown. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined, as always, by the one and only. Shooter McGueter. What's up, dude?

I'd have time to prep. That's okay. This felt like such a long episode because it's in two different places where by the time they come back from Charleston, like I watched this on, I don't even know, I had a long weekend, maybe Friday or Saturday. And I could have sworn that I could not remember how the episode ended. And I went back through it. Oh, yeah, that's because they left the Dominican.

They came back to Charleston. And then my mind went blank. So I had to rewatch all of that. But I did get to see any hyperventilating again. And I just kind of hovered over that. It's just, I don't know what it is. If she could do that without being racist, she could stay on the show. Yeah.

That's where I am with that. And that's kind of what we talked about last year. Now, I'm sure you've seen this. but if anybody else hasn't seen this, Leva did comment on something and say after those episodes. She did remove her from the schedule. So we are moving in the right direction of getting her removed from the show. Yeah, her responses were interesting. And like, you know, I understand she has a business to run and it's a murky area.

But I would have liked her responses to be a little bit more straightforward and to the point acknowledging what was happening. She was, she's under the camp of she's getting enough shit. I don't want to add to it, which I understand from an employer employee standpoint, a professional standpoint, at the same time, there's ways to state your opinion about something like this without crossing over that professional, unprofessional line. I do wish she took a more firm stance. I was actually disappointed. Yeah, I fully agree with you.

And the other part of that that kind of upsets me to where she is, like what Leva does on the show, she knew months ago. She probably knew when Emmy was doing all of that, what was going on and how it was going to be perceived, how it was going to be, you know, watched by the millions of us that are still watching the show. You already knew about it. Now you're taking action. Like it just seems a little too little too late, whatever. But I guess it's a means to an end where we're getting to that point if she's not going to be working at Republic. We saw this a little bit with Mia in the first season.

Mia got fired from Republic. And then all of a sudden she was barely on the show. So I think they should go down the same path with Emmy. I do think that the show will flourish a lot better. And the other thing that we kind of keep our eye on is usually it's just Joe and Maddie, like who's going to be sticking up for Emmy? I think that this episode in particular kind of showed you where they are. They're kind of just like hanging, hanging in the background, if you will, just watching her.

Like kind of being there as a buffer if need be, but they're not standing up for her by any means. No, I think they're there to prevent a full-blown spiral is what I'm getting. And, you know, this episode, when we're down in the DR at that dinner, there's two ways to look at it because on the one hand, you know, you have a lot of people there that are watching this woman have a full blown meltdown or she wants you to believe that at least. And I get at a certain point,

it's like, all right, let's like reel this in whether you like her or not. Let's just like put an end to this because it gets to that point where it's a little ridiculous. On the other side of it, though, and I wish they sat in that silence longer.

She's trying to garner a reaction from somebody by hypermet, by acting out by like having her moment. I think it honestly I would have much preferred if they just continued that. They just made her sit in that shit until she gets up and leaves. I don't like that we gave her an out. I don't like that Joe took her to the side. Like, hey, it's okay. Come here.

It somewhat absolves her, at least in her own mind. And she should not be absolved until if at very least acknowledges that she has learned why this was a problem. She hasn't. She's using her tears. she's using the hyperventilating. She's using all of this bullshit to try to get through this

and get to the other side of it without actually doing any introspection. And I wish they would have forced that moment to the point that she got up and left and really had to think through it because I think we gave her out. I think the TJ gave her an out. I think that other people in the cast gave her and out

and I don't think she deserved that. Yeah, it was kind of interesting and we'll talk more about it when we get to that scene because I didn't really see it going the way that it ended up going. I understand why it did and I actually weirdly appreciate it from a reality TV standpoint. Like, okay, this is not just going to be another like, all right, Emmy's just going to steal the show.

She's going to go nuts. We're going to have to just watch her spiral and then it's over. It kind of shuts it down. And it also gets Michael's involved in a different way, which again, you know, we'll talk about a little bit deeper later. But I think, honestly, I think she should be sequestered to that, the dinner of the sky for the rest of the weekend. Just go up there until you learn your lesson.

We're going to go down here. We're going to go to the club. You stay. You stay put. And you learn your lesson. I think that'd be a guy. I'm actually down for that. But yeah,

let's jump into this episode. And the Michael's crew is leaving the church. He's feeling better. You know, he's feeling like a lot lighter. He was able to address a lot of the things that were weighing on him. He's had a pretty heavy season, even though it doesn't seem like it.

When you look back, like he's dealing with a lot of shit, a lot of it's residual from last year, but he's in a better place now. So now we're actually getting him working through these things and coming out the other side of it, which is really interesting to watch. And like I love Michaels.

I think he's such a great person and character on this show. So I really appreciate the journey that we've been on with him. And it does feel like he's really starting to step into his own skin. Like he really, really feels like comfortable with who he is. I think that's awesome. Yeah. This season has been a great season for Michael's in like a storyline standpoint. Like he has a lot going on.

He has a lot of personal stuff going on. He's getting involved with Lake. He's getting involved with Emmy. Like he is really showing up. And I don't know if he's doing it for the show or if this is just how his life's going, I would venture to say that it's probably the latter. But if you remember, I mean, and we kind of highlighted a lot in this episode as well, he was clearly going through shit because he was screaming in Molly's face telling her that she's going to get banned. He's

been doing it with Lake. He's been doing it with Emmy. I don't think it's always just he has an issue with that person. This is how he deals with the issue. I think a lot of it gets, you know, amplified for whatever he might be going through. So I think he's working through a couple different things. We're seeing some of it. But I'd be, I would assume that there's probably some other things going on that he's not really sharing yet. And I think that that kind of take it with a great assault when you see his behavior in certain instances. Yeah, that's fair.

But Maddie's getting all ready for her gig. She's super anxious. This is her first show in like a year. And it's her first international show. And as we know, that's her dream. She wants to travel the world DJing gigs. So this is like a big step back into the arena type thing. Joe's being super supportive, you know, just trying to get her.

He was right. I know. Dude, he was right when he talked to Lever earlier in the season. He had to go with Maddie. She gets anxious and she needs them. Is this exoneration? It's full on exoneration for Joey D. Well, while they're doing their thing, we get to check in.

And I don't know, like, I don't really care about this, like the Charlie and Justin thing. Like, we keep going back to it. I think it's just like a fun tie-in to Southern Charm. Or are they trying to do this so that we have like a closer-knit group? going to get more people crossing over next year now that southern hospitality is a little bit more mature i don't want that i i don't either show is separate i like the little pop-ups like if you have an event which that's going to be more of a storyline for next year because uh charleston opened which i'm still not really sure what it is but it's some sort of venue and joe helps run it it's called on air

i saw that we have yeah so when we have events like uh i saw jesse solomon was down there doing a show but when we have events like i'm okay to see a a Shep pop up, Austin or Craig, which I don't think they'll show up. But those types of like events I'm okay with. I don't want to see any crossover storylines. Charlie doesn't really bother me that much though. She's not, I would imagine moving forward, she's not going to be like a huge piece of that show.

It'll probably just be what we're seeing with Justin. I like Justin a lot too. I think he brings kind of like a weird like comedic value to Southern hospitality at certain times. Like he's just a doofus. And I really appreciate that from him. But I'm okay with that. Just just keep some check-ins. They're still together.

Okay, cool, let's move on. Let's go to dinner and rule for tonight's dinner, no phones. Everyone get rid of your phone so we could really dive into, you know, some stories. We can chit-chat, all of those things. It's going to get taken over by Emmy, don't worry. But we're talking about, you know, Grace Lily comes up, Maddie. That's setting up for later, obviously. Joe gives a nice toast to everyone.

And then we church recap. And obviously, the one missing person from this church event was Emmy. intentionally because of everything she's been doing and because Michael's no longer feels close to her. But of course, she didn't read the writing on the wall or she's sidestepping the writing on the wall. She's like, yeah, I woke up. You guys are gone. Yes. Correct.

That was on purpose because you're racist and we don't want you to be there for this. I like, I don't get it. I really don't. And we've tried to play the game of getting into the psyche that is Emmy to try to figure out what the hell she's thinking. night one you felt like you got a lot off your chest and you read that whole situation with Michael's completely wrong. Michael's read it correctly. You walked all over him.

Okay. We wake up the next morning and you can't stand these people and you're looking over and you know there's a problem and Michael's doesn't like you. But now you're upset that you weren't invited to the church and you're acting like you should have been there. Like I don't get it. I have no idea how it's not clocking to her at all. I don't know.

I don't know how she looks at situations, honestly. because quite clearly she has such tunnel vision about what she wants and needs and doesn't think beyond that. I mean, that's how she got into this entire mess to begin with. She has zero ability to look inside and like understand the nuances of anything. She's very face value, very shallow. So it does make sense to me. But I also think the other part of everything we're seeing, she's used to being able to wiggle out of things via meltdowns. She's not used to being held accountable.

And it almost works in this scene, honestly, which is such a bummer. Because as we're working through everything, you know, she's stammering. And, you know, you get Michaels with that. It was a practice line, but I don't care. He's like, yeah, it's an outfit's great representation. It matches the sand because I let you walk all over me. But whatever. Like, I don't care that it was preplanned.

I don't care that it was on the nose. And the reaction from people was kind of interesting because Emmy stammering, like, oh, I'm a horrible friend. See, I didn't say that. It's like, you're not listening to what I'm saying to you. like shocker you're not understanding what's going on here but as it starts to break down you get julia chime in like have you considered an apology period she's like what are we even talking about it's like okay well she's not going to get this guy so what the fuck are we doing that's when i was like

can we just not talk to her because people are pointing out to her like we know what you said to other people mea has talked to people outside of the group that are aware of all the claims that you're making you have turned this from he heard what you said outside the room and texted you in turn to he was banging on the door trying to knock it down and i was naked and afraid in my bathroom i was this that the other and then she acknowledges in this scene she's i didn't say i was like i wasn't naked and scared my bathroom was like well yeah said you were so i know that's that's where it just starts getting cuckoo because we've watched you say that you've now changed this story 50 different times. But now that people are bringing it to your attention, you're now mocking

that all of that and saying like, I think this story has gotten completely overblowed. I wasn't naked and afraid of the bathroom alone. I was with my fiance. By the way, if my fiance was here, nobody would try anything. Okay. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. He would not stand up for you. He would probably leave and go get a shot or something. And go, yeah, he would go flirt with Molly. He would probably flirt with a bartender down there. Whatever it might be. Nobody's really worried about that. But I love that like, this is. all of your own doing all of these stories that you're now quoting that are if you're using as an example to say it got overblown it's all shit that you've said either to your sister to justin

to uh whoever the fuck else she talked to i mean she was just going around charleston telling everybody this story and then she was texting ella or bella or whoever the hell was going on the ellas one of the ellas that that there was more to the story so like you've done all of this to yourself but this is where it starts to take a little bit of a turn and i think i mean obviously you and I are more on the same page of like Mia and Julia who were just cracking up and walking away from the table. Like like that's that's what I was doing. I was sitting on my couch laughing at me. But they all start to turn in a little bit.

And this is what I really wanted to talk about with Michaels. They're pointing out to him like you need to talk to her. Yeah. I don't get that. I really don't. I mean, you've had Brad tried to talk to her. You've had Julia.

You've had Mia. You've had pretty much everybody at that table has tried to talk to her. and you get nowhere. Michaels is doing what Michael's does when he's mad at people and shunning them and then making fun of them and acting like they don't exist. What's wrong with that? I have no issues with that. Like you're not going to get anywhere with Emmy.

You're just going to get what she's doing right now, which is hyperventilating and trying to get all the sympathy that she possibly can so she can move on and somehow skirt her way out of it. Michael's handling of this situation is perfectly fine. I want him to be meaner. Like, no, you don't. You had to sit down with her. You let her talk the entire time.

she didn't hear a word you said, why would you talk now? And he told everybody that. So that's why I'm confused. And even TJ chiming in like, you got to talk to her. I'm like, TJ, really? Like you tried to talk to her in the beginning of the season and then you just moved on. Like you haven't said a word since then. Yeah, I don't understand why we have to extend her on olive branch to get to the other side of this thing.

I do think a lot of it has to do with the trip, the show. They're in this little bubble. And it's like, dude, can we just like be able to move on? It's going to ruin everything. I don't know. But like TJ earlier in the conversation. brings up the bathroom thing. He's like, did you have anxiety because you realized we could hear everything you were saying?

Or, you know, is it because Brad was banging on the door allegedly? So he acknowledges that. And then when Michael's kind of drops the hammer, again, he was meaner to Lake. Then he's being to Emmy right now. Way meaner. Way meaner. And in this moment, it's like, we got to talk to her. Fucking why?

Why does he owe her anything? I don't understand. She dug this hole that she's in by being. fucking racist. And now she's sitting there saying, saying, I don't know why you're mad at me. I don't understand why you're mad at me. So she's learned nothing. And I do like that, you know, she goes to the point of saying like, you know, me, I'm like an emotional person. I don't like being a bad place with people. Again, you're bringing it back to you. And Michael's points that out. You always make it about you. I'm like, every point that Michael's is making is a good point.

And I don't understand why he's being held to a different standard and why Emmy is being given this past. Lake tries to jump in. Well, you know, No, don't talk. Don't speak. Michael says to her. Like just zip it. You only come up, like when Emmy's having a reaction, then we get people on her behalf for some strange reason. As I watch this whole entire scene, that's what we said earlier.

Why are we not letting her, forcing her to sit in this and maybe actually learn something rather than giving her an out and then telling Michael's, you got to go talk for Joe Bradley pulling her off to the side. Hey, let's go have a chat. Why? Why does she deserve that? I Joe's is different and obviously you know we always have to throw the disclaimer out there because we love Joe but I took Joe's taking her away from the table as more of like a you're going to get away like at least just like get it all out and walk away like do it away from the group let's not keep going down this road because we're getting nowhere what have I done to these people are you fucking yeah I know and of course like the self-awareness is just simply not there for me and we already know that but Joe taking her away from the table I feel like it was more of like a sacrifice rather than anything else where it's like all right. come on let's go walk and do this because we're not getting anywhere and then when they walk away from the table that's when they start doubling and tripling down on michael's like you need to talk to her you have to sit down and get everything out and like tell her how you're feeling it's like why like what's

the point are we watching the same person anytime that somebody has an issue with emmy and they try to quote unquote talk it out it goes nowhere you just listen to her talk the whole time she thinks the conversation went great and then she's all perked up and happy now it's like what's the point no idea. No idea. And I don't get why that was so important to people at the table. I'm, yeah, I'm hoping and at least part of it is probably this where it's like, hey, we're making a show. Yeah. And we need you to go talk to her for the show. Like, we need to move this along somehow, some way, whether it's good or back to the end of the season. Yeah, maybe that's what's going on. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I was a little disappointed that we were giving her any kind of out in that,

because I'm Mia and Julia. I'm laughing. I'm saying this is ridiculous. Now you're going to use your white lady tears again to try to wiggle out of this. Like, no, no, you burned all your bridges. Like we don't want to be near you. So yeah, it was kind of an interesting turn. I wasn't really expecting that.

No, not at all. We get to Maddie's gig and packed house down there in the DR. And Emmy takes it upon herself to go check on a, or sorry, Molly goes to check on Emmy. Hey, how are you? by the way, Emmy's like stewing, wandering around this party. Like, fuck, dude, so you're going to be here. Then go back to your room. Like, don't be there, whatever.

She's like digging a hole on the beach and crying into it. Right. Like, I don't care. And Molly goes to check on her. And she's like, hey, just wanted to see how you are. Like, I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of Michaels. Like, that's tough. Emmy let's slip.

By the way, you had every right to feel the way you did about getting fired via Michael's because he had a lot more to do with it is essentially what she says. I'm confused. Okay. Molly believes this instantly. No hesitation. And I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm not saying we can't question and she can't ask Michaels or ask somebody else to try to get to the bottom of this by all means.

But to blindly acknowledge and accept from any of all people is kind of nuts to me after what you've witnessed on this trip alone. This is like the first thing. like this is the first like somewhat entertaining reality TV centric thing that Emmy has done in three seasons. I mean, this is the first time that she's actually made a move that makes a ton of sense. You're now in an issue, you have an issue with Michaels. Weirdly enough, people are coming to your defense or, you know, at least it looks like they're coming to your defense.

Now you have a chance to talk to Molly about it. And we know that too, because after Molly and Michaels had that conversation, they were on the park bench, both of them went to their confessionals right afterwards. And I don't really believe the other person, like, whatever, let's just move on. And Molly even said, if there's more evidence to the contrary, then yeah, I'm going to have a bigger issue with Michael. So I think she's been looking. I think she's been waiting for somebody to speak up, whether it was like Leva or TJ or somebody, whoever it might be to just be like, oh, by the way, that situation did go how you thought it went. Michael's was an orchestrator of all of that.

So I think she's just been sitting and waiting in the first, it doesn't matter if it's any or whoever. It just matters that Molly was waiting for that information. And once she did, she's like, wow, that's interesting. now we're going to have an issue with Michael's. And it looks like that's going to boil over to something else completely different than the next week, although I think that trailer is a little misleading. The trailer is definitely misleading.

They've done that a lot this season. I think it's like an April Fool's joke or something that he got fired. Like he didn't get fired. Oh, yeah, he gets an email saying that his general manager job has been, he's getting transitioned to a different role. I'm assuming it's either a bigger role. It's probably a promotion, yeah. It's either a promotion or,

It's in light of, you know, maybe he's got to go modeling and shit like that. So they're transitioning into a different spot. I don't fucking know. I wouldn't imagine that he'd get replaced. He seems very good at his job, but we only know so much. But I do think it was misleading. I agree with you. But anyway, they all end the night jumping into the pool together.

Everyone's having fun. And he's like creepily like doggy paddling towards everybody. Like, me. He. God, I can't imagine. Everything she does. pisses you off. It's just like, I guess

it's this, you know how I am with people that lack self-awareness? Like it really drives me up the wall. And this is like the most unaware person I've ever seen. I know. Like, you just got eviscerated at dinner. Go to your room. Go to bed. Yeah. Like, chalk it up. You're

done. Hang it up. It just, it really sucks that she's a complete piece of shit and she's racist. Because she's got that, that it factor of delusion. She does. Where, like, stop being racist. She has to stop being racist. And like at least just figure out what the fucking microaggression is and then try to build

from there like do some research or something because that's the only thing is like you see a glimpse of that when she's talking to Molly. It's like that's not a bad move. Honestly, you're getting some heat off of you, but you're racist. So it's literally like it's sort of like when you see her on the screen, you just get like irritable immediately. When she does something that's even remotely going to be good for the. show. You just have to remember right again. You're like, oh, yeah, right, she's racist. Can't

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Okay. Here's my thing. When it's you being treated a certain way, you hold everybody to a certain standard. You say to everybody how unfair it is. You're not allowed to talk. You're not allowed to do this. You're not allowed to do that. They're saying all these mean things.

about me. How do you not take that and compare it to what you put Brad through? And now you're demanding accountability and apologies, but you still don't see what you did. That's where I lose it. That's where I get frustrated again because she's demanding these things. She's moping around. It's like, dude, Brad told you that you brought him to tears with this. And only in that moment have we've seen you say I'm sorry and not I'm sorry but yeah and I don't think you were serious but but now it's you and you deserve more than that no we're just in such a strange place with emmy that I can't really figure out because obviously the one thing that you want when she says something like that is for somebody to clock her like somebody who's at republic that has been

there that knows what's going on just look at her and say are you fucking serious are we really you're going to throw a pity party for yourself right now is that is that what we're doing you don't really understand anything. So none of that got through to you. Cool. That's what we need the most of, but they're in such a weird place because one, we saw that at the end of the dinner table where they're like, yeah, you know, Michaels needs to start talking to or whatever, trying to force him to talk to Emmy, stupid. So it seems a little bit like defense for Emmy, which is bizarre, but also they don't talk to her. So they just ignore her when she does this. So we see them, it's sort of like Kyle Cook going in the laundry room in Summerhouse. Like he's just talking to the cameras. He's not talking to anybody else there.

she's doing the same thing. Like she's trying to garner some sort of support. And she's trying to get a reaction out of somebody so she can strike up a conversation. But nobody wants to talk to her. And yet they're telling Michael's that he needs to talk to her. And they're also not really telling her that she's doing something wrong. So it's just a bizarre world where she just keeps going and going and going. And that's why her, I guess her attitude or behavior just never changes.

I mean, it's been two seasons of this. Yeah. The more we talk about it and the more I think about how people move around. her. Like, that was a really good point. It's giving me that it's not worth it. Yeah.

I think they've all dealt with this shit so much and they know that she's not going to change or say anything different. So I think that's the move. Just let her talk. Don't even acknowledge what she's saying and then change the subject. So maybe that's all it is. Maybe it's not even work for the show. And that's where it really is a bummer because if somebody were to engage with her

or at least have the energy for it, it would make for some good TV. It would make for a good portion. of an episode, but no one has the energy to want to talk to us. It's just kind of useless. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. And that's another reason that's separate from her being such a piece of shit.

That's another reason that she doesn't need to be on this show. You have people incapable of having to. Basically not filming with her. Yeah. Right. They're filming with her. It's like filming by omission, if you will. You're here, but you're not. Okay. We're getting through that. We're getting through it. But Joe, revitalized, revamped. ready to work, signing tables.

The third time this season. Here's my thing. And I'm not trying to be a pessimist. I feel like we've seen this exact thing before where he gets re-energized, revitalized. I think we've seen this once a season. We saw it like four episodes ago. No, that's true.

I know. I know. I know. So I want him. We know that he's running that, what's it called? On air. On air. Yeah.

Yeah. So he's signing events. he's signing people to go perform it on air. We saw that. So you know what? All things are pointing to. He was consistent with this one. Or he just wore Leva down.

She's like, you can fucking go over here. I think so. I mean, look, I love these scenes because that is like, that is Joey Bottles. That is the charismatic Joe that we all know. Walk in the streets of Charleston, getting people in the door telling everybody they look great, saying I love Girls Night, which I let out an audible laugh when she was like, what's the occasion tonight? Oh, it's just the girls.

I love Girls Night. I'm sure you do, Joe. Good for you, buddy. But yeah, we've seen this, like you said, once a season. We've now seen it three times this season. It's always very funny. But I think my favorite part of it is when we get to Leva because she always has a different take on it. I mean, sometimes she's a hard ass.

Sometimes she's like, yeah, you need to see this a lot. Like, we're only going to see it for a week and then he's going to go away. He's going to follow Maddie back on the road or whatever. This time, it's more like, you know, Joe's doing a great job. He seems revitalized. Like, Leva, please. You probably just fill. before you're confessional you probably just filmed that confessional from last or a couple episodes

ago where you were ragging on him like 10 minutes ago so you already know that this is what's going to happen so that's always incredibly funny to me but yeah i mean this is part for the course this is what we expect with him it's very lvp coded like vander pump phillow move where it's like i don't know if he's going to make it here the next episode i want you to be my dj yeah no LVP has gotten so much better with that too. Like it's so comical. And if you don't watch Vanderpunt Villa, go watch that because it's like LVP from,

from Vader Pump rules on steroids. And I guarantee you that new show that's coming out, I don't know when it's going to drop, but the new show that they just announced where she's going to be in Vegas, it is going to be unbelievable. She is going to be having like heartfelt stories with everybody and she's going to be supporting all the shitty guys that are there,

probably Marciano. Yeah, the Villa, LVP is like you said, it's so produced and like these moments that she doctors up with people on the cast. You're like, okay. And it's literally copy and paste each episode. It's so funny. I need to come. You have to come sit down with me.

And it's something so drastic. And sometimes the best part about it, it's always entertaining. I'm not saying this in a negative way. The best part about it is somebody will get fired for something. Then somebody else will do something so much worse. And they got a slap on the wrist in a promotion. Yeah. You never know.

They'll win the $50,000 at the end of the year, even though they did something terrible. Yep. Oh, my God. Well, let's get to Lake and her date with Nessa. And look, I know we have our feelings about Lake this season. She's had kind of a rough sophomore year. But given her journey with her sexuality and coming out on TV and the backlash from her father and the fact that she's still speaking up, still being who she is,

I will give her all of the respect in the world for a scene like this. This scene means a lot more than just, ooh, I'm going on a date with this girl I like. This is her standing in her truth, being confident, sharing with the world, sharing with us. And I think that takes a lot of strength.

And especially given what we saw last year, we've seen the backlash from her dad this year. So to still be doing this, she might have had a rough season, but I respect the shit out of her. And I thought this was a great scene. No, I agree with that.

I think that's why this scene made the final cut, to be honest is because of what the message is overall. But in my mind, Lake walking in on a one-on-one scene with a girl that we don't know, I'm like, why, how did this happen? Like, how did she earn this with her, uh, her acting this season? I don't really understand that. But once we get into the nitty gritty and we find out everything, like this is exactly what you're going to get on a show like this.

And this is part of what makes the show so great is how, you know, like Lake or not. I mean, if she's going to be open about all the things that's going on in her life, that's what you want from a reality TV star, so go for it. So yeah, when she walked in, I'm like, why are we doing this? What's going to happen? Like, is this going to be useful? Probably not, but it's good for Lake's journey. And I think, you know, we can draw the comparison to watching Michael's and his journey

over the past couple seasons. And obviously he was trying to be there for Lake through her journey. What I'm hoping, because obviously she's dealing with a lot of shit. And she's only 22 years old. So I'm hoping that the more she's able to. to be herself, the more she's able to kind of find herself and be more confident in it, I think we're going to get a better lake on TV as a result. Just that makes sense to me.

So look, we've seen the sophomore slump many, many times. As you all know, we coined the phrase, even though a lot of people said we didn't, which was very fun to fight with. But we did. We did. It's ours. But yeah, I think that if she can get through this season, she's definitely coming back next year. I think that she grows from this, but the biggest takeaway for me is the more.

she can be comfortable in her own skin, the better lake we're going to get. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, maybe also be honest about boinking Oshin. Yeah, that too. Like, you know. Yeah. And also stop doing that. Yeah, don't do that anymore. No one needs to point the milk, man. No.

No. No. God. No, God. Gross. It makes me not like milk. And I like. I know. I know. Yeah. When we were subject to all of those scenes and they would show us like little clips and videos from his only fans, like, why are we doing this? You're ruining milk for me.

I'm gonna go, I'm lactose intolerant now. Almond milk only because of O'Sheen. Thanks, dude. He probably uses almond milk. I bet you he does. Yeah, he's probably getting like special requests for like oat milk. Oh, I actually don't like whole milk. Can you go with oat milk?

Maybe 2%. That would be really funny, actually. I'm sure that happens. Choose your milk of choice. Yeah. Think he ever does chocolate milk? Probably. I would imagine.

strawberry milk every now and then I just always think about like taking the shower after that like that's got to be gross like what does your bathroom smell like you know milk yeah like what if you miss some like old milk and like those towels are never going to be the same no no you have to have specific milk towels like he probably does that oh yeah yeah

that phrase sounds gross that's my milk towel Oh, boy. Well, we go to Zach's Dax. And, you know, Leva had said to G. Lilly that obviously the nightlife is probably not for her, at least at this point in her journey to recovery. So maybe we can do some events. Maybe you can go by Zach's Dax. We get an alley Louber sighting.

Allie is playing a gig at Zach's Dax. All signs are indicating she's going to be part of the show in some capacity. Yeah. We've gotten enough sightings that she's going to be a friend of, I think. She's on perfect match on Netflix, which has just been kind of like on in my apartment for the last couple of days. I don't think I've really watched most of it. She's nuts.

I mean, she's crazy right from the jump, which I do not remember. I remember her being like very reserved. Obviously, she was with James Kennedy, so I'm sure she went through a lot of shit. But she was like absolutely wild to start off this, like the first episode. I did not expect that. So I'm going to keep an eye. eye on that one. Those are the types of shows that I just kind of throw on on the background. Yeah, they're good background shows. That one guy, Jimmy, on that show, I've followed for a while,

the basketball dude. Oh, yeah, yeah, he's a fucking idiot. Yeah, and then there's another guy in there from the age of attraction show, which was fucking hilarious. I haven't seen that. Maybe I'll throw it on the background. Yeah, you got to throw that one on. But Grace, as only Grace can do, awkwardly shuffles over to Joe right in his peripheral. Joe, as only Joe can do, is going to stand there and act like she doesn't exist. He's very uncomfortable. And then she finds like, hey, Joe. She's like, oh, what's up?

I don't see you there. They haven't seen her in like a month. And it's funny too, because like we've seen her a couple of times. I mean, she went to the sobriety coach. She talked to Leva. So we know what she's doing. They apparently had no idea. Maddie and Joe have not seen G.

Lillie in over a month. And they're like, what the fuck is she doing? Literally. Why is she here? Leva did not tell us anything about this. What is she doing? She's set up in the corner with her car. Allie comes on and now she's like slightly annoyed because she can't do her cards anymore.

Yeah, that's the funniest part. She makes a face. I saw that too. But all this conversation with Maddie told me is she has a lot of work to do. A lot, a lot, a lot of work to do because extremely defensive, not taking ownership, acting like, you know, certain things. The one comment that stood out the most is, and I've talked about a lot, comparisons. are kind of a big indicator of where you're at in the sobriety journey.

If you're still comparing yourself to other people, you're not there yet. And for her to say, you know, I think Maddie's just envious because she can't drink. It's like, well, given the fact that you have been off the wagon a couple of times, you probably shouldn't drink either, but that's a story for a different day. But watching her try to put the onus on Maddie in certain situations. And Maddie's doing what she should do, by the way. Like you don't owe anybody anything when you're on the other side of recovery. The things that G has put Maddie through up until this point,

you're allowed to create boundaries. You're allowed to create distance and you can separate. And this is nice of Maddie to even give her an ear to try to see if she's there yet. But by putting the blame on Maddie by claiming, you know, I didn't call you that night. And she's like, yeah, you were so fucked up that I had to bathe you. Like Joe was there. Should we go get him? And she's like,

Joe's always going to lie for you. And I'm like, all right. So all you're doing is making excuses, not taking accountability and not acknowledging what's going on. You are very much at the beginning of this thing. Yeah. I mean, all I'll say about that is you have to start somewhere. Yeah, I agree. It seemed like she was being really open with that guy.

She was being pretty open with Leva. But I think a lot of people are probably going to watch this seat and say that Maddie was mean to her and that she shouldn't be mean to her. But like, I agree with you. Like this is this is exactly what Maddie should be doing. I mean, Maddie also has to protect her own sobriety. And the fact that G. Lily is going to her confessional and saying like Maddie looks around at other people who are able to have a drink or two. And I bet you she wishes she could do that.

Like that's exactly why Maddie should be having this conversation with her. And if she wants to keep her at a distance, she keeps her at a distance. She protects herself. She protects her relationship, obviously. I mean, I still think it's really fucking funny that she asked Maddie straight up. If she fucked Joe in the ass, that's still very funny to me. But I understand why they're not happy with her. And that's okay because I'm not in that friendship.

But this is exactly what Maddie should be doing. I mean, the fact that she even had a conversation with her and sat down one-on-one just shows you that she still loves her, of course. But at the same time, I mean, the way that G. Lilly is acting, it's erratic. It's all over the place. You don't know what to expect. It takes a toll to be that friend where you're already sober and you're trying to help somebody else. Like you can't help them through their journey. You just have to kind of hope that they get on the right path.

And G. Lily might get there. I hope she does because I still like her a lot. But right now, not the time. No, and you said it perfectly. And that's 100% true. And the people that thought that Maddie was mean, Maddie doesn't owe G.

Lilly anything at all. There's no commitment there. There's nothing there until G. Lily's able to take full ownership and apologize without a butt or apologize about a comparison. And that's it. Period. That's how recovery works.

Maddie, like you said so well, she needs to protect her own sobriety. And you don't do that by enabling G. Lily in this conversation and not saying how you feel. You can stand your ground. She's telling you that you're lying. she's saying to Maddie, you're a liar. Maddie who's sober, lies mean a lot more to people in recovery.

No, I'm fucking not and don't say that. So, yeah, she protected her peace. She checked her. You can call tough, loving call it what you want. But she didn't handle that incorrectly. That's pretty much what she should have done. It creates a very, very clear boundary for her again, where it's like, no, we're still not there out of the time for this.

So like you said, I think it's important to acknowledge you all start somewhere. Like everyone's got to start somewhere. As Maddie said, like she had to get her first chip like seven or eight times before it's stuck. It's very normal in the process. And I'm still rooting for G-Lilly. And I think she's on the right track. We got more work to do. And I got my thing he's crossed.

But let's get to some questions. First one up here from Melissa Lang. I don't want to come off insensitive, but Emmys panic is fake, right? Oh, God. Bup Bump Bum, oh, from Versa Shai. Hi, bros. Hi. Did you notice that while she had?

Yes, it is. Did you notice that while Emmy had a breakdown, she looked around to get a reaction? Yes, that's what she does every single time, every single time. Rockstar 0521. Question, what's racist and ugly and cries all the time? Answer, Emmy. She wrote. that not me. That was the good job statement. Good job.

From real old 78. Do you think Emmy pegs will? No. No. No, I think I think Will's girlfriend pegs him. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely plausible. Yeah, and that's the the chick that stayed with him because he was being nice and giving her his room at college. Yeah. Oh, we forgot to talk about this from Rachel Michaelis. Who made the comment about that orange cat? Was it Justin? I'm personally offended. The cat on the loose during that whole scene was so goddamn funny. I mean, Maddie is obviously definitely afraid of cats. I've never seen a cat phobia that that strong. No, no. And it was hilarious the whole time. I absolutely loved it. But yes, it was Justin that made that comment. So if you want to DM him directly and tell him that you're offended, go for it. Yeah, please do, actually.

This is another good point from Avon Noel. Why is that me on the show if she feels so alone? Also, why reference Will when he's not here? I do not know. I mean, that's the one thing that we talked about last year when we weren't sure if she was going to come back because no one wants to film with her. It seems like she has no friends. I mean, Joe and Maddie are friends by association by proximity, if you will. Will's not there.

She's just making things worse for herself. And it doesn't seem like, like this can't be good for your mentality. to go into a show like this and be completely alone. So I don't really understand. I mean, like the racist stuff aside, that part alone makes no sense to me. I don't get it either. I am confused at why she wants to continue on.

Like, I don't know if she's trying to prove a point. I don't know. But at this point, Bravo needs to do something because it makes a statement, they're making a statement by leaving all these scenes in. They're making a bigger statement if they don't take action after the season. I think that that would go a long way. Where did it go?

I had one. Oh, yeah, from C-right Fam 6. Why does the cast still support any? Well, they backtrack their support after watching. We obviously talked about this at length.

I am getting to the point of, I think they don't want to deal with it. And they are show conscious. That's all I can imagine. And I do think I'm assuming after watching and seeing her confessionals, seeing her talk to Lucia, seeing her talk to her sister, all of that shit, I would imagine that a lot of them are probably upset

that they were as soft as they were. That being said, you know, even Brad, Brad, he's such a stand-up guy. Like, the way he's handled this has just been incredible.

But, you know, he went and did an interview and like pretty much to say like, yeah, we're coexisting. I don't think that she's racist and a couple of other things. So I think that what that tells me, and with any situation in reality TV,

we only see so much and know so much and aren't privy to conversations behind closed doors and whatever. So I can't speak on exactly why the cast is doing this. I think it's just show-centric. And I do think that they're probably walking some things back now. But yeah, it's hard to say, honestly. Yeah. From the Jewelster,

is there any path for Emmy next season? seems like is the only one who likes her at this point. I would be pressed to think that she's going to come back, especially given the news where Leva is saying that she's off the schedule. I think it's in the cards right now that she's not going to be coming back. If she were, if there were a path, the only path is apologize. The only path is make things right with the people who have supported you your whole life and probably dump will and probably just get a complete personality makeover.

I know that's not too much to ask, right? No, just completely change who you are from head to toe, but whatever. Oh, not a question, but Maddie Reese looked at our story. From Face of the Angel, Allie or G. Lilly, who's reading your tarot cards? G. Lily, because I don't think they're real. As we all know, it's very well documented that I think that stuff is fake. but G. Lilly would be way more fun to do. I feel like Allie would take it a little too seriously.

Yeah, she does the astrology chart thing anyway, so it's not tarot cards. It's different. Let's see. Got any other ones? I mean, this is a valid point. And like, this is kind of why I get frustrated with them giving her any kind of space from Amy B. 526. Why is Joe so sympathetic to Emmy?

It's giving major white privilege vibes. And I think that's, the other side of it where it's like, all right, would you extend this grace to Lake? Would you extend this grace to Brad? Like, I don't know. I truly don't. I think that that's where I start to get frustrated with the cast as a whole.

It's like, I don't think that there should be an off ramp. I think she should have to either straight up apologize and do what she has to do to get back in any kind of good graces or she needs to sit there and sit in it until she gets so uncomfortable she leaves. Like she doesn't deserve any kind of leeway given how she's handled everything. If we saw a conversation with Brad early on and they had squashed things and we were still seeing things kind of progressed, but she wasn't behind the scenes talking shit. She wasn't changing your story saying very problematic things. I think that's an entirely different situation. That's not what we're seeing. We're seeing zero accountability or acknowledgement that she did

anything wrong and yet we're still trying to protect her peace and her mental fortitude and i think that's bullshit yeah no i fully agree and they're going to have some answers to uh to come up with for the reunion yeah honestly because i i imagine that's going to be like a pretty big portion of the reunion is talking about mattie and joe and are they friends with emmy and how are they standing by her while she does all these things yeah it's going to go down that road it's going to get pretty messy too It needs to. Yeah. Yeah.

C.A. Jackson said, are they going to let me off the hook for the racism? I hope not. I really hope not. But, I mean, if that, if it takes the form of her not coming back to the show, I think that tells us everything that we need to know. But I do hope that they, I mean, they're going to really dig into it at the reunion, of course. They have to.

But, but, I mean, we already know what she's going to be doing for that. Cry, hyperventilate, and bring up will for some reason. That was my favorite part. the whole episode. You already talked about it. But the idea that Will would back you up is comical. And the fact that she says it in a way where it's like my big tough boyfriend,

it's like, who the fuck do you think you're engaged to? Like the guy's such a reasonable. One more. No, I don't see any others in here. I'll add on this one then from Rachel Michaelis. Last plug to say I stayed in the same resort months before them and it was amazing.

That's lovely. for you, Rachel. So nice. Glad you enjoyed it. But yeah, I don't know what's next on this show. Not in a bad way. I just don't know, like if we did wrap up the Emmy stuff or at least a semblance of it, or are we moving on from that?

Michaels was kind of wrapped up. Like we're starting to get towards the end of storylines. I'm assuming we got one big bomb to drop. Maybe that's the Michael's job transition or whatever the fuck's going on there. I was surprised that that's not because it's the 12th episode. I figured it would be the season finale. I'm glad it's not. I'm just curious because I feel like we're starting to tie a bow on most things.

So I guess, well, I guess the Molly. Yeah, Molly and Michael's. So I don't know. Yeah. And more of Joey bottles always. But we'll see. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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