Bros & Shows - How Much Longer Must We Endure? (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

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This is, it's arguably impressive at this point. I'm trying to go through this episode without getting elevated and escalating. I'm going to try to be calm as we discuss this absolute disaster of a television show. How do you feel about it, shooter? Oh, dude, it sucks. I mean, I'm not mad about it. It's just, it is what it is. Like, every week when we watch it, it's going to feel like three.

hours I'm going to do my best to hit that 10 second skip whenever I know that it's a terrible scene and it's still going to feel like three and a half hours. It's actually going to get longer when I do that. I mean, there's a glaring issue here and they're never going to see it. The glaring issue is the cast. They know it's the glaring issue. They know it's a big issue that they should fix, but they won't fix. So we just have to live with it. And I've come to accept my fate. It's like we're living in purgatory and there's nothing we can do about it. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros.

Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody. For whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell. Actually, not for whoever wants to listen. The Beverly Hills cast is. isn't allowed to listen. I'm your co-host,

Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter, Magooter. What's up, dude? Yeah, let's get back to who gives a fuck. That's how I feel. It truly is how I feel.

Every commercial break, I'm like, oh, yeah, oh, right, yeah, we still have to do this. Oh, yeah, I guess we have to have that conversation. It's just,

it's so funny. Like, it really is. Like, you could draw a blue, of the whole episode and it would be things that need to happen. Like if you're just reading and you weren't getting any context and it's like person A with person B has to do this.

It's like, okay, that all makes total sense. Then when you actually get to the nitty gritty of it, it's stupid. It's just there's no other word for it. The whole show is just stupid. I don't know how anybody enjoys watching this. I don't know how anybody enjoys looking at. I feel bad even throwing. I'm just throwing the whole cast out.

And I know that we have good people in this cast that it could work with, but they're never actually going to circle the show around people like Rachel, Bose, Doreet even like, I mean, even Doreet's like a bit of a crybaby in this episode. Like I don't know what to do with any of them. They're just losers. Like it boils down to that.

I believe wholeheartedly that Bose is cool as shit in person. I believe wholeheartedly that Rachel is probably awesome in person. Doreet's probably fun in person. What they talk about on the show and the way in which they discuss it and the topics that we continue to circle the drain on, you're losers. Sutton, why are you crying? What are you crying about? Why are you crying with Amanda? What the fuck is going on?

I was literally, I had a cool day today. I went down to Phil Abundance Day, this cool event. it was me and a few other influencers. I got to meet Pearl Mania, who I'm a huge fan of. Whoa. Did you just love yourself in with an influencer crowd? Are you an influencer? That's a book.

I'm a content creator. Nope. Anyway, you already said it. I got to meet some cool people and I got to feed a lot of hungry people. We packaged a bunch of lunches. It was cool. It was like a cool day. And I got home and I saw my wife.

And my beautiful daughter, the sun's out at 70 degrees. I was in, I had a good mood going. It was a vibe, dude. Like I had a good Monday. I woke up at 545, went to the gym. Like it was, I was killing it today. What I tell you, I am in a terrible mood now. Like, and you know me, you can read me.

You know, I'm like genuinely in a bad mood. That show, it legit made me, what's the word? Sour. I'm a sour grape right now. Yeah, it's sourdew. I mean, let's just say we certainly would not be able to solve world hunger with Beverly Hills because there's nothing to eat. There is nothing at all. I am still very, very hungry.

I'm still very satiated. Statiated means that you are. Yeah, no, I wanted to be satiated as what I. I don't care. Unsatiated. Unfortunately, like, it's not even like such a bad show that no one's listening. So like if I do make a mistake, I actually do have to fix it. But I just, I don't care.

Yeah, I mean. Everyone listens. Everybody listens. Dude. And we love you guys. Thanks for the support. YouTube's numbers are higher than any other episode. Every one of our listens for this episode for,

for Beverly Hills throughout the season is much higher than other episodes for other shows that we actually have fun covering. I don't get it. You guys. Why do you do this to us? It's got to just be like thousands of people that aren't watching anymore that give it a shot in the beginning. They're like, I'll just track it along and see if it's as bad.

bad as I think it is. And then they hear like the cold intro for every one of our episodes like good. It's still really bad. I'm not wasting my time doing that. But I am not wasting your time listening to us, of course. But you are still going to us for your source, which. Yep, check back in with us. We're miserable. I don't know why we see. But Thursdays would be so much bad. Not that I watch anything. Like I actually did watch ladies of London on Thursday night with college basketball going on the background. That is top notch television. It's so great. And like summer house, I'm going to continue to watch. And I don't even know how we're going to do an episode of Summerhouse tomorrow or

Wednesday when we do it because there's just so much going on in current times that it's just going to have to have a full blown like we're just going to have to do an investigative report of Amanda and West like that might be the entirety of the episode or maybe we'll do a you know, we'll do like a breaking break glass in case of emergency episode. Maybe we'll do one of those this week. Yeah. It's an impending doom. And if it doesn't play out the way it looks like it's, it's, it.

It is. I will, I'll save it for Wednesday. I'll save it for Wednesday. But back to, you know, this dog shit, this absolute steaming pile of caldung that is Beverly Hills. I can't even look at like the Italian skyline anymore and be like, wow, look at that. That's beautiful. Look at the sun standing over you. They've ruined Italy for me. I don't even want to go to Italy anymore. I'm going to have to change all the future Italy plans that I have, which, you know, might be real, might not be. I don't know. but I don't know man what like and when we talk about it like you get mad about this I check out I am so checked out on this I don't even care they're talking it makes me grumpy it makes yeah it makes you grumpy I just get bored of shit watching it and then I'm like why is anybody is

anybody entertained by this I don't really understand it and I'm watching and like this is going exactly how I thought it was going to go this is playing out exactly how I thought it was going to play out. And the worst part of all is that when we get the trailer in the beginning of the season, we get the midseason trailer, their big climax is Doret, Erica and Kyle arguing in Italy. And it's like, well, we'll always have that to quote unquote look forward to. It played out in this episode. I'm like, come on.

Really? You got like, Erica, I'm giving a pass. But Kyle, you suck. Doreet, you're being a cry, baby. Everybody's just throwing his left and right. I'm done with Doreet too. I think I'm done with everybody. but I'm dumb three to cry maybe I'm kind of tired of her stick too like I get it but stand up to

Kyle just stand up to Kyle and don't go have a his he fit about it I don't know I'm just I'm I'm checked out I mean my the funny thing to me and then we'll dive into this is uh dive into what we can it's the same show we've watched the last seven eight weeks is the same conversation same exact same exact everything need jerk reactions to like like the things that we can point to in this episode. It's like what the sudden, why the fuck are you crying? Let's talk about why she's like all the other shit. It's like we've talked about all of this so much and you guys never do anything. It's just the same conversation over and over again. So we can't have the same conversation over and over again. So we end up pulling our hair out that we're like, I don't,

but it's fucking let's talk about it, I guess. I don't know. Let's, do we get into it. I don't know. Yeah. Well, before we do like, like I was saying, the funny thing to me, is I think most, most of you guys out there, you know what to expect on a season like this at Beverly Hills when you listen to us, right? Like it's sometimes we joke about it and we'll have like a ha ha back and forth. A lot of times it's this where we're like, what are we doing here? We still continue to get comments, which always make me laugh. People are like, why are you got like surprised that we're hating on it or surprised or like you guys are really negative about, yeah, you know we're going to be. Like if that's not your cup of tea, that's okay.

I know you don't want to listen to a podcast to get riled up. I got you. This might not be the episode for you. That's okay. We still love you. But it's just funny. I would check out for the rest of the season, to be honest. It's not going anywhere.

Well, let's do this. Let's rip the bandaid off and we'll get started with Amanda and Sutton, who I'm now fully convinced, Sutton is simply just trying to get back in good graces with Kyle after whatever this performance was. I'm going to also chalk it up to James is going to college, and that's where most of these tears are coming from. That's the only thing I can surmise because she's talking to Amanda. And one, she rats out Erica and Bose for seemingly no reason.

I was so confused. The way she did it was ridiculous. Like I have to, I got to get something off my chest. Oh, hold on. Come in here, Amanda. Let's talk about this. I've got to get something off my. It's sort of a confessional for myself, too, because I have to hold my, you

don't have to hold yourself accountable, by the way. If in your brain this played out like they were talking shit on her, you actually did stand up for her. Why you stood up for her. I have no fucking idea. But you're acting like it's the end of the world and like you did something wrong and you're coming to her first. No, you're ratting out everybody else for doing something that everybody else is doing at home. So it's not that big of a deal that everybody else in the cast is done. Now we're having this conversation again, but in a deeper way.

It was such bullshit. Like she was crying here. Like what are we doing? I know. I think this scene was a microcosm for the whole season because this is not that big of a deal. Okay? It's not. It simply is not.

We've seen much worse tiffs, much worse things dug up, much worse things questioned. We've seen marriages questioned. Cheating rumors. Business rumors. Tax fraud. You name it. People have talked shit about these things behind people's backs. I'm so confused why this is such a sticking point and like the worst thing that ever happened.

That's what this season is. Everything is overblown and exaggerated. We're making mountains out of mole hills to the point of tears now. Like that's where we're at. Sutton is legit crying and she's like, it felt mean-spirited. When on earth did Housewives, I'm not going to lump everybody. That's disrespectful to other franchises. When did Beverly Hills become such crows?

cry baby whiners. Like what the hell? Do you guys not have backbones anymore? Like back in the day, we would go tit for tat. You'd be clawing verbally. All of these different things. You would go after each other and you were good at it.

Like this was a cornerstone of Bravo TV. And now we are crying because Bose chat GPTed and didn't by the way add anything. She just read what chat GPT said. And that is quite. possibly the worst thing. This is one of Sutton's worst reactions to anything. We have not seen her cry over people talking shit before until now. Amanda was the line. Chat GPT crossed the line. This is Banana Land. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here. No, and you're not. And honestly, it's a normal reaction when you're sitting at a dinner table

and she's throwing a hissy fit. Amanda's throwing a hissy fit because Dorek Googles her. if you're throwing a hissy fit because somebody googled you, you probably have something to hide. You don't want people to go digging. Maybe it's these bad reviews. Maybe it's something else. I don't know. I mean, if it was something else,

somebody would have come up with it. So all it tells me is you can't handle the people are focusing on the negative parts of your very weird career where you make money from. Tough shit. Like that happens. That happens in every show. It happens in every franchise. It's going to happen in every friend group as well.

So like, what are we doing here? Like, this is not the end of the world that Sutton's making it. out to be and Amanda I mean her reaction tells me okay cool I've got something in my corner great now I've got another pawn to just kind of throw out there and she'll defend me so now I've got Kyle and Sutton I'm good I don't really have to worry about anything so I'm not going to do that game where I say maybe Amanda's going to like grow a backbone now that she has people on her side she's not going to she's going to get offended she's going to throw around her millennial term she's going to be triggered she's going to come up with different

things she's going to throw out like better business bureau bullshit and be like yeah see I got a good rating here. You didn't focus on that. Whatever. I just, I just don't care. Like, every time that we seemingly have a normal reaction to something like this and we get to see something, it just all comes falling apart. I know. And, and she just reads her stats. Like, quite clearly, this comes up a lot because you have this stuff ready to go off the top of your head. Why, why you have to take another shot at your husband here? My kids know I'm the bread winner. And there's nothing wrong with that. You're not taking a shot because you're the breadwinner. It's just once again highlighting, at least to me, and maybe I'm just nitpicking now,

it's just highlighting again that your husband is not doing well in your eyes, in my opinion. But this sentence, and then we'll move on, it's mean-spirited and hurtful. How am I supposed to go to wine tasting with both? The same way that every other housewife has pulled up their big girl pants and gone to events after some actual shit has gone down. This is nothing. This is not, we shouldn't be talking about this.

The only reason we are, because nothing else is going on, but we've seen housewives show up in the face of horrible, horrible things. Wendy is being charged with tax fraud right now, and she showed up to the reunion, and people were talking all kinds of shit about that,

and she still walked out on that stage. It's not, uh, you know, like what do you mean how am i going to show up fucking go like i don't know like it's not that hard i and also coming from sutton too who's been on the show for a few years it's not even like she said something like i've had people come after me for certain things and i just don't like it so i'm going to not be hypocritical and i'm going to stand up for you she's not saying that she's

very clearly just doing this so that she can get back into good graces of kyle she sees how things are breaking kyle's very staunchly going to be on amanda's side now i have to do the same thing. It's just bullshit. I just don't care to further that story at all. Well, don't worry because another non-factor is about to be discussed because Kyle, Kathy, and Erica are sitting around talking. Kathy, it is funny. She's been funny this trip because despite everything going on, and I think this is probably how she operates in all cast trips, she has had a good time. She does her own thing. She's like, I'm going to town in an hour. She does what you and I would do.

Fuck all of you. We're going to shop and like walk around and probably not talk to each other, but be with each other and like get a cup of coffee and leave all of you here. Yeah, you know, maybe kiss, but normal bro stuff. But they're talking about last night. First and foremost, we are still talking about a mask joke. We're still talking about that. Not only that.

now I have to sit and listen to them go on and on about Natalie who has been on the screen collectively maybe two minutes why are we wasting our time talking about whether or not Natalie is a liar I don't care I don't care about what's going on with the actual cast but now you want me to sit here and be concerned that Natalie may not be a liar we know what happened. We know exactly what happened. She got stage fright in the moment because Kyle Richard was coming after. She didn't know what to do. She stammered. She sidestepped and she lied. That's it. Conversation over. Kyle, you know what happened. You know that you caught her. That's all. Amanda was right there. Amanda heard it in the first place. She just asked Natalie to corroborate

the information that she already had. Natalie didn't make the joke. I know. Natalie didn't make the fucking joke. Natalie laughed at the joke in a way that people do when you're not friends with each other. You're in a big group. It seems like Bose is close with everybody. You're Natalie. You're new here. You're on the trip for whatever fucking reason. You're going to weirdly laugh if it seems like it's in the way of a joke. Like the phrasing sounded like a joke. I'm going to throw out a weird laugh. Whatever. How is that a joke? Tell me right now, Natalie, get in her brain and tell me how that's a joke. We're not even scrutinizing Natalie for laughing at it. Like we're just trying to figure out how it's a joke, which again, if you're Amanda and you already talk to Kyle,

it would be a bigger deal to go to Bose. But Kyle's not going to go right to Bose. She's going to go to Amanda because she's a weaker link and she can throw things around. Like, there's cameras. You can't lie to us. She doesn't have the balls to go after Bose. No, she doesn't because she would get knocked down and she just doesn't want to do that. And we've talked about that with Kyle for years.

She always goes the path of least resistance. She doesn't want to deal with a lot of shit. And she gets a huge paycheck for being on the show every year. And she knows they're not going to do anything with it. So why would she want to go after Bose? Like I don't even blame her for that. But for the sake of the show, at least do something. And she's not going to do that.

Kathy's just like, why are we even talking about? I'm going to town in an hour. Yes. Like Kathy and Tillier are the only saving graces on this trip. They're the only saving graces on this cast right now. And I just don't know what to do with that. Yeah, that's a really good point. I do love, you know, Kathy's one-offs every once in a while where she's like, yeah, it's like,

yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, totally. Everyone knows that about Ja-Jago-ha. Everybody knows that. Yep. Conrad Hitler did not deal with it. Totally. I just like it because when she says things like that, she sounds like it's such a relatable thing.

And then she named drops somebody like, Zaja Gabor. You're like, yeah, totally. We get that. For sure. Yeah. So, Jaja, always showing up when you want to. But Kyle, again, like, I know we've discussed this ad nauseum,

but she's worried about Dorek, quote, unquote. You're not. or you would have talked to her solo when you're in the Hamptons, when you were anywhere with her, you would have had these conversations one-on-one. The only good thing that came out of this episode was the montage later of Kyle saying the same thing verbatim to everybody individually in an attempt to garner support

so that she could go after Doreet successfully, as we're going to see, that does not work out. But let's not forget, you're trying to claim like, she's my close, fat, pat, pat, blah. You said last week, that you're not that close to Doreet. So what is it? Like, be consistent.

If you're going to be bad, at least be consistent. Like, that's all I ask. And you can't even do that. No. It's the meme of the stick figure poking that thing on the ground going, do something. Do something. At least in the meme, you have some sort of faith that that thing's going to do something. It makes me laugh.

But let's go to the vineyard. Let's squish grapes. Yes, it's going to stain your dress. It's grape juice. of course it's going to stain everybody, but whatever. I need a woo-saw. Yeah, a quick little woo-saw. When we're there, they're squishing grapes, they're having fun, I guess, whatever.

Natalie starts talking and says, I felt like I was playing tennis or something, something. She admits, like, yeah, I got caught off guard. I wasn't ready. She caught me off guard. Didn't know what to do. Didn't know what to say. But again, and multiple ladies point out, Bose said this.

Bose has yet to be questioned for the joke. Everybody claims that she said it. She's still holding on to, I don't think I said it. I don't know why. I think she's trying to allude to the fact like that doesn't matter. Who said it doesn't matter. We're trying to get to the root of this thing.

And yeah, that's slightly annoying that she's not just saying like, yeah, I said it. Like, of course you said it. This is what we're getting stuck on. Oh, my God. but I feel like I'm having an episode. It's so tough.

It's so tough to deal with. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. Anyway, apparently because Bose has more of a reputation in the group, nobody's going to call her a liar, but we still have to question her according to Sutton. Then do it. Yeah, please.

For the love of God, somebody do it. And I know. And somebody pointed this out. They said that Bose did confirm that she made the mask joke at some way. I don't know when it was or where it was or if there's an after show for this show. I can't take any more Beverly Hills content, so I didn't go looking for it. But apparently she did confirm. Like, oh, yeah, I know I said that.

Like, that's another problem with me. Just fucking stand it. If you knew in this moment that you said it and you knew what you were doing, like the chat GPT thing is a non-issue. You can stand up for that one very quickly. the mask thing has become such a big issue for no fucking reason. Please. Like the fact that you are not admitting it, you're putting us through this misery. You know you're putting us through this.

And you're still not copping to it for no reason at all because it's a very easy thing to just swat away. Yeah, I said that you have a mask or I said that that mask would be good for you because we don't really know who you are. And then carry it into this conversation we're about to have at the winery. I don't fucking know. Yeah, I said that because you are a liar. Cool. would be the worst thing said on these shows, not even remotely close. You would actually just be calling around.

We're allowed to call Natalie a liar, but we can't say it to Amanda or Kyle. No, God forbid you call them a liar. That's totally different because they're not Natalie. But the chat GPT thing comes up. She's like, yes, I said, who is Amanda Francis? And it said, Money Queen and a lot of criticism. Well, and then she reads her statistics verbatim. Again, you've clearly done this before.

I'm glad Rachel's like, whoa, whoa, I don't think we need to be doing this in a vineyard. AKA this is fucking boring and stupid. Can we just not? Can we maybe just not doing this? To Bose's point, and this one, I don't know, because I would imagine that she has had to defend her business multiple times to people, and that's where the defensiveness comes up. She's like, clearly you're insecure. I agree with that, but I also think a big part is that everybody questions this because

it does seem like a scam. Yeah. She has an 80% retention rate. And this and that bought another. This whole season has become basically an advertisement for Amanda's business. Because that's all we talk about. My biggest issue, and then you can go. My biggest issue, I don't care anymore.

Why are we still talking about this stupid shit? It's the same convo, too. Every episode, it's the same line of questioning, the same reality. action from Amanda. We get stats about her business. And then nothing changes. And then people say, no,

we want to get to know you. And she doesn't know how to do that because she's a fake person. So she defaults to talking about her business. Sutton's saying earlier in the episode that that's who she is. She talks about her business behind closed doors too. No, it's not.

She's putting on. That's her whole schick. It's because she's insecure as a human. So she just talks about the one. thing that she can hold up is tangibly successful because she has statistics to back it up. So no, it's not exoneration because she still talks your ear off about business behind closed doors. Yeah, but the statistics that she gave are just statistics that she has on her website. Like, they're unproven.

Like, you can just say whatever the fuck you want. You're not, I mean, at some point, yeah, you might have like some misleading information in there. But it's not really anything that's like getting people in the door necessarily. it's just like, oh, yeah, I can just claim this and do whatever the hell I want. And the most concerning thing that she said during this whole spiel that I was kind of half listening to was that her friends and family are also involved in these courses and they purchase her courses. That's concerning as shit. That is very concerning because that's like you learn that when you come out of school, like you come out of college if you're in finance or business. The first people that are knocking on your door are people that want you to sell like life insurance to your family.

Get your family involved in this portfolio. I would like, no, that's the worst thing that you can do. She's touting it like it's some big thing. Like this proves that my business is strong. I've got friends and family wrapped up with this. Like, no, that sounds like a pyramid scheme. No, that sounds like you don't actually care about them. You're actually making money off of your friends and family.

That's deplorable. That's bad. You don't want to go ahead and use that as some sort of evidence for why your business is good. So that goes to prove my point, which is what I think maybe Bose is trying to do, but I don't think she has the attention span for it. get her to talk more about her business. And she's going to say some shit that's going to be wrong. She's going to say some stuff that's going to prove that it's shady, that it's stupid,

that it's not good. And again, say whatever you want. Like, I don't care. If you need help with your finances and you found this and for whatever reason you like her, go for it. It's not something to tell everybody about for sure, but go for it. I don't care. But for Amanda to be up there being like, I've got this great career, this great

business that helps people out. I actually haven't even heard her say that it helps people out. I've heard her say it enlightens people as to what they, need to do to attract money. That doesn't make any sense to me. It just truly doesn't. It never has. But again, if she's making money off of it, people must be doing it. So go for it, do whatever. I think it's much deeper. And I think Bose might be on to that. There's a much deeper fake lifestyle in there, because that's what these people have to do. They have to put on for the cameras, they have to put on for all the social medias to show like, hey, I'm doing really well. I'm very

wealthy. You're not really doing anything. You're teaching courses about bullshit and taking money from people that don't really understand what you're doing and then living this lifestyle. But I don't think, and I think Bose thinks this too, she's probably got like fake bags. She's probably got fake jewelry. She's probably got fake shoes and things like that. She was able to come to a point where she could

buy Kyle's house, but this is like her crown jewel. Oh, I bought Kyle Richards' house. Now I'm going to be on Beverly Hills. Now I can do all of these things. And the problem is we have not talked to her enough. We have not pressed her on her actual career. So we can't get to that point. But I think, again, I, the way

A, Bose reacts and talks about things, she might be on to that and we might be able to press her. But it's too little too late for me. It's just not going to work. No, I just don't care anymore. It's come down to that because we've had the same convoy week in and week out. Yeah. Now it's irrelevant to me. People don't care.

No. And whether Bose is on to something or not, whether she's faking it all or not, I don't know. I don't care because they missed the opportunity to actually press her because for some weird reason, we were tiptoeing around her. And like people said, it was a pile on Amanda. It wasn't. Like we've seen pileons, right?

Yeah. She did have to defend herself against the group, I think, once ever so briefly, but there was no real questioning in there. There was no hard line of questioning. There was no digging other than chat GPT and Google. And then you didn't take what you found.

I think every other franchise, even right now, not just the glory days. I think if somebody had dug up stuff on Google or chat GPT, that would have been brought to Amanda. hey, why does it say this? All we did with that was the cult thing. If you have more, ask her about,

well, why does it say that you're doing this with people's money? That's not inappropriate on a show like this. That's very normal on a show like this. Like, they question her, make her defend it. I don't get why everybody's phoning it in now. And I actually, I do. I take that back. Kyle sets the tone for this show,

whether we like it or not, she is the tone setter for this show. Kyle has phoned it in for years now, years. And it's starting to trickle down. Now everybody's looking at this show. And we've got a lot of housewives on the show that have been here for over five years. They're settling in. They're comfortable. They're not worried about losing their jobs because no one ever loses their jobs in Beverly Hills except newbies.

So they're all in this role now where it's like, oh, I got to film today. Like, I don't think they're enjoying it. I don't think they're giving the effort that we deserve as an audience. I think that the only ones I can chalk up to good job this year is Erica Bose to read. I'll give her credit and Rachel. Yeah. And that's it. That's half the cast.

And I mean, Tilly, obviously, but she's the friends are I don't really count. I agree. And Tilly's just being herself. That's the beautiful thing about Jennifer Tilly. She's just being her quirky, awesome, amazing self. And we love that about her. Give her and Rachel a show. and call it real housewives of Beverly Hills

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Welcome back. Everybody. Welcome back. Let's finish this thing. There's not a whole lot left to talk about. You'll talk about Amanda chat GPTing Bose, and then she asks like this scandalous thing and the fake gas. I mean, oh, gag me. She's like, oh, my God.

And then she reads something that's like, okay, sure. Whatever. She's like, that's what people say about me. Yes. Yep. The difference is Boes is doing this and they're looking at short tenures, which we talked about before, because somebody brought it up last season or the season before.

I don't remember. Who cares? She's short tenures at huge established companies versus you with your 80% retention rate. on a weird pyramid schemy type of business where you teach people how to attract money. Like, it's very different. That's apples and oranges. There's nothing really there. She worked for Apple.

It literally is apples to oranges. Yeah, it is. And we also saw Bose look on chat GPT. And she asked chat GPT, just tell me about Amanda Francis. They gave you negative reviews right away. I know you had to type in, give me some negative reviews about Bose. But come on. You're not fooling anybody.

And that's the thing. Like, if you want to talk about. the short tenures like could there be more there yeah maybe I don't know and I would imagine that Bravo sleuths being who they are might dig into it but in my head what it sounds like is that's what she does at companies hey we are launching this hey we need help with this Bozum of St. John has graded her job bring her in for a year and she moves on to the next one that's what happens that's what it sounds like to me it's not crazy that somebody in a what do they say sea level like a lot

of people in that position bop around. Like that's their job. They go to this company. Then they go to that company. They go to that company. They go to that company. So I don't see that as this big red flag. That being said, if there is something there and somebody on the cast would like to do their job and try to dig into it, I'm all for it. Go for it. Try. Maybe there is. I don't fucking know. I don't think there is. But you could try. I don't crazy idea. I know. But that's also a counter. Say that to her, Amanda. You have these. the info say it to her face.

Yeah, why wouldn't you just pull out her phone right then and there and be like, all right, let me chat GPT you and see what happens and then see what happens. Like that could be an interesting counter unless, of course, you have to input negative information in order to get that information. But whatever, do something. Like,

don't just cower and act like you have all these stats and shit prepared. Like, it just, it just bothers me because the conflicts are just like, the conflicts are just so goddamn boring. That's the issue. Yeah, I agree. And Amanda,

like pretty much saying that I, I'm recognized everywhere I go. No, you're not. And that's okay. Like, that's the other thing that bothers me about her.

It's like, you don't have to be all these things. We don't care. If you came on this show and we're just normal, that's fine. That's totally fine. Like, it was funny for a little bit,

the delusion, then it wore thin pretty quick. And then we've copied and pasted her entire script every single episode. So it got really old, really fast. But like, there's oh my god like the best housewife shows are authentic that's why we like them why do you think ladies of london is hitting like crack right now they are 100% themselves on a network that

has so desperately needed a housewives franchise to embody that they're not even a housewives franchise and they're doing a better job than every single franchise out right now i'm including Salt Lake in that. Ladies of London is a better product than Salt Lake City right now. And if you don't believe me, go and watch the new rain. It is fantastic TV because they're also established, but they're not overly concerned with the public image. They're not worried about the show putting a tarnish on them. We have gotten to that point here with our housewife shows. Authenticity is not a hard thing to do, and it's all we really ask for. even if you play it up a little bit,

but this is also doctored and carefully curated to come out and look a certain way, and you're not allowed to say certain things anymore. And I'm not talking about things that you obviously shouldn't be able to say anymore. I'm saying things that are non-issues, such as questioning somebody's business because it seems shady.

That is a fucking softfall. That is this fucking big, waiting for someone to hit it out of the park. And nobody's taking the bait. Nobody even wants to. And in fact, It's the opposite. Sutton's crying because somebody questioned it.

Because she had a business that she opened six years ago. Like what? Yeah. It's embarrassing. It really is. It's an embarrassing product. That's all it is. Ideos.

Well, Erica, Kyle and Dorete are going to get gelato. This is the big cliffhanger that we've been seeing all season long, this big moment between those three. And all this is, once again, is Kyle Trouin. trying to pick at Doreet and say, well, you tell everyone else these that you don't talk to me. Vice versa, Kyle. Like you talk to literally everyone else.

And yeah, she's fed up. And by the way, Derreet, I will give her credit, was actually very composed both here and at the dinner table. She wasn't getting loud. She wasn't getting combative. She was flat out just trying to talk.

Erica's trying to interject. She checks her like, yo, yo, I'm talking to Kyle. And if Kyle actually listened, she would understand that the whole thing, thing to reach trying to say to her is, hey, dumb, dumb, I want to talk to you and hear what your opinion is. I want you to respond with, I think this, not everybody thinks or Bose thinks or

Rachel thinks. And she says that to her. And even after that, well, everyone's saying, that's not what she's saying? She's saying, what are you Kyle Richards saying? And you keep trying to say that Bose is talking shit. She's not. You keep trying to say Rachel's talking shit. She's not. You keep trying to say

everyone's talking shit. They're really not. Erica's the only one that has a similar line of questioning. Erica's is not because she's actually that concerned about Dorete until you got in

her ear, Kyle. Now she is because you're like, oh shit, maybe is something going. She was just irritated with her, which makes sense. I would be too if she's late to everything.

So Erica's fed up. She's like, dude, come on. That's not worth this level of skepticism because you know what's going on. And that's the other part of this whole coin. It's like, dude, you know what's going on. So if she's acting a little off, that makes a lot of sense, considering her piece of shit,

soon to be ex-husband, is dragging this shit out and not being very helpful in their potential divorce. She's going through a massive life change. And somebody that she was very close to for a long time is weirdly taking her husband's side. Do you forget all of that last season? Like the fact that she can say to Doreet multiple times, I've been such a good friend. you've been a horrible friend. You talk shit about her all the time in confessionals. You don't ever believe her.

You're texting memes and jokes to her shitty ex-husband. That's a bad friend. Why would she trust you? And I thought that was the one line that I'm like, okay, that, yes, 100% correct. I trust Bose. I don't trust you. And Kyle gets all but heard about it. Oh, she's up Bose's ass.

She's not. Last year she was. This year she's not. Now they're just friends, and she trusts her friend because Bose is real with her. And Bose, she'll check her if she needs to, but not in a dickhead way that you do it and not some shady way where you try to check her by telling everybody else what you think in hopes that they'll parrot you when you need them. That's why she's not talking to you. And it's so fucking obvious. And I feel like I'm going insane.

Yeah, see, I'm completely checked out on the whole thing. I don't have that button. I don't have that. I know. It doesn't live in me. The whole thing is with Kyle, this was her grand plan. She saw the way the things were going. And she said, let me talk and have on-camera conversations with other people about Doreet's behavior and trap them into saying, like confirming how they've trapped them into repeating what I said to them.

Correct. That's all we're doing here. And Doreet, thankfully, looks at that and says, okay, but you have not had a conversation with me directly. So you're having conversations and you're confirming that you're having conversations with other people about me, but you're not having that conversation with me. That's the only thing that matters. But Kyle's not going to see it that way. Kyle's not going to change her tune. This is what she's been planning the whole time.

All right. If Dereke gets to this point, I'll just hit that button. I'll break the glass in case of emergency and just throw this out there. Everybody's talking about it. No, and we'll see that at the reunion, but it won't amount to anything. So I don't really care. I'm not going to get my hopes up for any sort of revelation by Kyle. Like, oh, yeah, I should have done that.

No, we're not going to see any of that. So it doesn't matter. Don't get worried. Don't be excited about anything. It doesn't matter because we're not going to end up doing that. But Doreet, yeah, she held her own in this conversation. It's just she goes after Erica, which is like, okay. It was silly, but I understand why she did it.

She's just getting all revved up because of Kyle, which makes sense. But don't, like, Erica's got a normal point. Like, yeah, it's fucking disrespectful. You're being late. Like, we don't feel like sitting around waiting for you. We waited for you at dinner last night. We've been waiting for you all goddamn summer. Now we're just going to get gelato.

and you're still running around being late. And you're making us late and it's kind of irritating me. Cool. Okay. And yes, I understand. I was there too. I was an asshole to everybody.

I was doing this. I was doing that. Doreet's just kind of picking and choosing what she wants to hear. And again, she's really just mad at Kyle. So I don't really think that she's even mad about Erica. But if you're going to get mad at Erica, you're going to open that gate now.

So now you're going to have to worry about Erica getting pissed off because now it's like, okay, don't treat me like shit because you're mad at her. So now I'm going to come back after you. So it's not going to work out well for Doreet in the end because you're just losing friends. And I get it. Like I agree with you. She trusts those.

That's it. It's as simple as that. She doesn't trust Kyle and why would she? So Doreet, it is funny that she just walked away and she's the only person that can speak Italian. So I'm going to get in this van and I'm just going to point at this guy and be like, hey, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. No, it's okay. They'll stay.

I want to get the hell out of here. Perfect. Very funny. If it turned into, which Kyle and Eric are like laughing about it. Like, all right. It's not the end of the world. whatever she left us. I don't think you know how much this got under my skin.

And I'll tell you why in a second. Yeah. If they had gotten back to the castle and said, the estate, I guess I'm calling it a castle now, if they had gotten back to that villa and walked in and said, that was kind of funny. Like, all right. Are you okay now? Are you cool? No, they're going to fucking sulk on the way back, even though they were laughing about it.

And they're going to get back to the villa and be like, yeah, we're not going up there. I don't want to go up there and talk to Doreet. Why would I go to? You're on a TV show where all you do is talking. to talk to each other. That's the whole point in this TV show. And you're just going to be like, nah, you know, we have to get ready for dinner and it's going to take her seven hours to get ready. Let's just hang out here. No, that would have been a moment for me anyway where, yeah, if you have a little spat with somebody, they walk up, like, it's funny. It's objectively funny

that they left you there and you were defending for yourself and you still got a ride back anyway. I'd walk in there and be like, it's kind of fucked up, but it's kind of funny. Yeah, I like that. And then lighten the mood. You're in Italy. Why do you want to keep doing this? Instead, you're just going to sit there, wait for everybody to come home so that you can continue to complain about Doreet. And for Kyle, she thinks that that's all she needed. Like, there's your flag. Let's plan it in the dirt right now. Derreet left us out there.

I can't believe that she did that. She got into a fight with both of us. You guys all feel the same way about Doreet, right? No, I don't want to do this. No. And by the way, they weren't that. I agree with you. I wish that they had been like, ooh, good move.

That was, that was shady, but that was a good move. but on the flip side, in the grand scheme of what we have gotten upset about this season, and by we, I mean the cast, this actually would have been legitimate because she left you stranded in an Italian town with no way home. This would have made sense

if you had decided to be like, yo, what the fuck, and have had it back and forth. Not a mask joke, not whether or not Natalie's a liar. That stuff's irrelevant. This was actually something that somebody did that was overtly shady that you can call out.

And even with this, you don't. So that got under my skin because I look across the board and I'm like, all right, we've had a two episode shit fit about this fucking mask. Nothing about the car, really? Nothing. Like, you guys are going to get pissed off about that. But her stranding you is not going to be a talking. Okay, cool.

Great. Where are our priorities this season? I agree with you. That in any other season should not be an issue. It should be a ha-ha. That was a good one. But in my head, I'm like,

that was actually something that you could get pissed off about. And even that, you don't really, you're not focused on that part, but we're focused on the mask and Natalie. Okay, awesome. Great. Woo-hoo.

Woo-hoo. We're almost there. We are almost there. We get back home. And Erica and Doreet, I think, is a pretty short bridge back to friendship. I don't think that one's going to be.

I think it's more Eric is going to understand to a certain extent. Like, yeah, I get it. You were heated. Kyle's going in. And to read, all she has to say is, I'm sorry. You caught,

you caught astray because I was pissed off of Kyle. I don't think they're going to be estranged for too long. No. Especially when Erica says, like, man, I haven't got to fall out with Deeree in like eight years like this. So I don't think she wants to be in this spot with Derrete.

All the ladies join except Derrete. She's M-I-A. and they start talking about everything, right? And Kyle leads it off because she's like, well, she's upset with me about that conversation in the Hamptons. Everyone shared the same sentiment and maybe Eradic was more excessive. Time out. There are layers and nuances to this where you keep saying that everyone shared the same sentiment. What is actually occurring, and I'm glad that that production at least put that montage in, is you are going to everybody and saying you're talking.

points about Doreet. They are haphazardly and half-acidly nodding along. Yeah, that is weird. Yeah. They are not condemning her behavior or concerned that she's having a manic episode or spending too much money. That's not happening. And we're watching that.

And her whole entire argument is based on that. So as they get in, we just lump it all together. As we get into everything and shit starts falling apart at dinner, you can watch. And this was actually satisfying. Kyle has been the big dog for so long, and she's used this move so many times. I'm going to plant these seeds all around. I'm not going to talk to the person that actually I should be talking to. I'm going to talk to everyone else and tell them exactly how I feel multiple times so that it really sits.

And when I go to a dress at the table, they will co-sign what I'm saying. And then Doreet might accept this whole thing. I will win as I always do. What happens is everyone at the table leaves her outside. out on an island, Rachel exonerates herself by saying, whoa, whoa, this is what I said. And Doreet's like, yeah, she said all of that to me. Bose has said all of that to me. And regardless, that's an issue I would discuss with them.

And they came to me to talk about these things. So her entire argument's blown up, but she doesn't know what to do because she's not used to this. She's not used to the backfire and shit not landing. So now she's scrambling. And that's made very evident by the fact that she keeps repeating. eating everyone's saying the same thing everyone's sharing the same sentiment no they aren't and that's how you know because it boils into her going what do you get off my fucking back what she's talking very calmly and she's just making good points all she's doing is making good counterpoints to you

and you don't know what to do you get caught in a corner you look around and nobody's helping you which thank god they didn't and you don't know how to respond so you tell you get off your fucking back. You get off of her back then. What do we mean? It's yeah, it's the complete opposite. And honestly, at this point, the only thing that can really save all of this in this entire situation, I would urge to read to just go scorched earth. You want to talk about my divorce. What's going on with you and Mo? Let's talk about that. What's happening there? The fact that she brought that, you don't ever ask about me and Mo. I was like, get the fuck out of here. What are you talking about? Yeah, you got to be nuts for bringing that to the table.

And that's why I say, like that opens the door a little bit. Maybe somebody can just squeak in there like, all right, let's talk about UMO, since you want to talk about all of that. You have all this heat for DRET. We never really talked about you and Mo. What's going on there? Let's figure this whole thing out. Why don't you finally admit you want to get back together with him? Yeah.

Something like that would hit so hard. And again, I don't even want to play that game because it never really plays out the way that you want to. But it is what it is. And yeah, it's just, I don't know. I mean, Rachel did herself some good, of course. I mean, it's just tough. It's such a casting problem for everybody. but I mean Rachel saying what everybody's thinking at home

I've only known Dereath for two months I don't know if she's always like this or if she's not but I don't know we're well enough to look her dead in the eyes and be like hey you've got a real problem going on here because she's late like whatever I've had some good conversation every season I've yeah and like yes again we've talked about this maybe it's a little exacerbated maybe it's a little bit more stretched just because this is exactly what it's been like and yeah it's a little bit more but

it's not a sticking point it's just not a really good point to make. It's so stupid. No. And like Kyle's saying, I don't care that you bought a Kelly. Yeah, you do. You do. You told us about it way too many times and you talked to Bose about that. That was the whole thing. That was literally the whole stemming point of everything and your whole manic argument was the fact that she's spending too much money. She must be going through some. She doesn't have that. By the way, she spent like three grand that one time. Yeah. But that was that was the foundation. of all of this starting.

I don't care if you bought a Kelly bag. And all she said back to you was, it sure seems like you do. And that's where she goes, quit riding my ass all the fucking time. After saying, by the way, when she said stop,

I was like, wow, she's got nothing. She goes, stop, okay? It's like, you don't know what to do right now.

You are actually like a, what is it? Cats got your tongue. Cats got your tongue. Yeah, but again, just wait until next week. She'll find her way out of it

and she'll feel like she won. probably let's see what what our lovely audience that makes us watch this show thanks Sydney Rachel 82 can't imagine going on this trip of a lifetime only to have it punched in my face

with petty drama yep yeah that would definitely suck from Mike Bros when do you think Amanda will end up in jail for being a scammer I hope I hope sometime soon

and I hope it's on TV this is the question that everybody has from N. Brackmanman, why is Kyle trying to take down to read? What does she have to gain from it? I don't know. I have no idea. We've gotten to a point. Steele has gone full nonverbal.

He's not even answering. I don't know what to do. I'm just so flustered, dude. Rachel Michaelis, would you ever strand the other bro? like yeah we would definitely leave each other absolutely yeah in a heartbeat like we may have before honestly yeah we probably have uh from 77 care bear 44 not a question or com or i guess this is a comment this season sucks oh and kyle needs to be fired she won't and the it'll just continue to suck emlo 1969 Kyle proved this whole episode she's untrustworthy and no one was

on board time to go it's been time for her to go but we need the whole cast to go. And then maybe you could bring back Rachel, Bose, and Tilly. Natalie. Natalie. Actually,

yeah, just to make it staining for everybody. Yeah, that would be great. Oh, God. H.M. Faulkner.

Kyle sucks at this point. I need Kathy to heal turn on Kyle and tell her to know her damn place. Yeah. That would be funny. But again, we're relying on like, and I know it's Kathy Hilton, but like,

we're relying on friends. of to carry a season. It's a nightmare. Yep. It's pretty annoying. Oh, God, I don't remember that. But from Blacksmith, Trev, remember when Andy said on Watch What Happens Live that Kyle said this trip was on par with Amsterdam.

It's not even in the same realm. It's not even on the same network. Like, what are we doing? What do you mean? Blacksmith Trev also said, did you catch Amanda making another digger, at her husband about how much money? Yes. Yeah.

It's so weird. I don't know why he catches strays left and right. That man, my God, he must just sit in the corner and cry at night. Like all the mean things she says about him to other people. He's got a special chair for that. Yeah, it starts with the C. Mm-hmm. And rhymes with luck.

Oh, God. Yeah. Everybody else is just saying pretty much the same stuff. Yeah, we'll end on this one from Jenny X. the way I couldn't care less about them, Kyle ruins everything. Yep, that's pretty much it. That's the one thing that will always write the ship for me

at the end of these episodes is reading all of your questions because you guys are beautiful audience members. You make me feel seen. You make me feel sane also because I swear to God, I feel like I'm losing my mind. And then I'm like, okay, other people see it too. I'm not nuts. but holy poop yeah doesn't even deserve a shit like this is just a it's so sad what this has gotten

to yeah it's tough like i'm good i would be curious i'm not getting my hopes up at all that i'm not even kind of assuming this is going to happen it's more so a question of obviously it can't go on forever. Just statistically speaking. So what will be the breaking point for that? I don't think it's this season at all, but what is the breaking point for this show? What happens that actually makes a legitimate change that could potentially fix Beverly Hills?

Kyle, Kyle quits on her own accord? Yeah, that's the only thing that could work. Because I feel like if she quits, everybody else just kind of goes and they just fully recast. But until that happens, they're not going to be. make a change. Man, they do themselves a lot of favors by just getting rid of her. Tell her she's on pause.

Yeah. Pause the whole show. Pause the whole show. Why not? I mean, you already have New York and New York is coming back, which, you know, that probably won't be good. But you paused that for a couple of years. Like the fact that Miami is on pause and this show is still going on, that is criminal.

Beverly Hills is still airing. And Miami, which is an infinitely better product, is pause. Yeah, the old people that watch Beverly Hills every week because they don't know that there are other franchises, they're going to have to die out. And until they die out, we're not going to be able to get a new show. Well, that's where we're at currently. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.

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