Bros & Shows - Huda, Woulda, Coulda but Didn't at The Reunion (Love Island S7 Reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

What is up Bros? Thats a wrap for season 7 of Love Island. It certainly didn't need to be 2 hours long but it was nice to pop back in to the Love Island universe for a night. Ace seems to have a chip on his shoulder with Austin and Jeremiah. Huda refuses to answer questions about her boyfriend despite being pictured with him on red carpets... Nicolandria has sold Steel but Shooter remains skeptical. Huda discusses why she didn't respond to her fans making racist comments towards Olandria and Chelley. Even though they discussed it previously. Bryan and Amaya seem a bit off which is interesting considering the recent news of their split. Hannah has a great moment and we are team Hannah. Nic vindicates himself in sending Jeremiah home. And Jeremiah gets his chance to respond to Huda and Ace's criticism. Was it a great season? Not really. Was it a good reunion? No. Does we love this show? You're damn right we do. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, that certainly didn't need to be two hours, but I will say this. I missed Love Island. It was nice to see everybody. See, I'm more happy that we just put a bow on the season. We don't have to see these people again. Bros and shows. I gotta have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows.

Rose and shows. I got to have me my Bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Bombshell Magouter. What's up, you six pot? You missed a huge opportunity to go right back to what it was all summer. Oh, damn it.

Here's how bad my memory is. I said that, I don't know, three times a week we did. Yep. Don't remember what I called you during the season. Let me, give me a sec. Give me a sec. Pretty simple. I'm stuck on, do you accept this rose?

which is that doesn't make any sense I know I know I know about where they live oh damn it I got it welcome back Villa Goots good to be back good to be back for the final time for season seven I already know where you stands because I agree with the sentiment

I did miss Love Island because it's just it's appointment television it's everybody's talking about it it's all over the place but before we dive into the reunion we have a live show coming up on September 11th it's a Thursday night at 730 p.m. So head to the link in our Instagram bio or go to the city winery Philly website and get your tickets through there. They're only $20 to $25.

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Yep. Now let's get into the reunion. With this cast in particular, I had so much fatigue at the end of it. That's fair. And with the social media updates over the last, what, month? and a half since they've left the villa it's just been nonstop and i am so excited to just put a bow on this i hope that they don't pop up again i well we already know that some of them are going to be on love island games which comes out who do you think is going to be on that like who needs it the

most it's going to be like the the casa more people i hope it's not them i hope we get at least like i would love if hannah comes back hannah would be a good one charlie i'm okay with charlie uh i can see weirdly i could see austin doing it i don't want to Austin back. I really don't want Austin back. Even his reunion performance reminded me how much I don't like him. Yeah, it was better when he wasn't on the stage.

Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot of CASA people. I bet they get one big one in there, like one of the single ones. Obviously, like, Nick and Landria, no chance. Shelly and Ace, no chance. Too big. Amaya, no chance. Brian, probably not. Did they actually

break? They unfollowed each other, but it's confusing. Okay. Yeah, they broke. I I don't know why they broke up, but they broke up. Well, there's cheating allegations. Yeah. They talked about one of it that we'll talk about shortly, but it came out that he, he's not, which was interesting because it took us a while to get on the Brian train. Yeah.

Both of us were like, there's something about this dude. I guess it's coming out that there is something about this dude. He's not as forthcoming as he portrays. Yeah, but then they were all really confusing. And I really do think that like the psychology of this whole show just kind of fucks people up. I love that. Because they all come out of the villa, and they all seem somewhat understanding, but I think even when we're talking about, like, Jaden and Austin, which went on for way too long, that they all sort of had an understanding, like, hey, we just came out of a weird, weird environment, and you were dating a bunch of people at once, exploring connections. You can do that out here, too.

Just let me know. And I'm like, okay. So it's dating, right? I guess, yeah, but, like. I think it seems like to be transparent with me. Yeah, no, that's for Jaden. Jaden, you know, trying to get through to Austin in some way is just never going to work. It's like talking to this towel right here.

When it comes to like Amaya and Brian, there was even a semblance of that where Amaya was talking about like, yeah, you know, I did tell them, you know, there's going to be a lot of people all around. They're all going to want to like talk to you. You're going to be out with a lot of people. It's going to make sense. Like, whatever. I kind of got the vibe that Amaya even told Brian like, hey, you know, explore some other connections and see what goes on. But, you know, we can try this thing for real almost. And I'm like, are they all doing, like, obviously not like Shelley and Ace and Nick and

Landria. They, I still think it's a PR relationship, but whatever. You do? Yeah. They sold me. Whole time. I still think it's a PR relationship. Good for them, honestly, if they're going to get their bag.

But I think with all of like the, the mid-level couples that were in here that came out of the house that were still, quote-unquote, together. The B-tier. I think they're like, yeah, you know what? Like, if it works out with us, great. But, you know, go ahead and talk to other people because you're going to have a lot of opportunities. Yeah.

And the thing that was interesting to me. is obviously we all get sucked into this universe that is Love Island. That was the most fascinating part of the show for me was how involved do you get when you're watching? And I guess it's probably a product of watching it every single night, talking about it three times a week with you. But I was like, I felt like I was in the villa.

Now, this is my first run-through of this show. So it was surprising to me that after everything's done and they're all at the reunion, I expected the goal to still be to be with your person. It seemed very much, I wonder if that's because of the micro-influencer group that we got this time. Yeah. It seemed that this was a means to an end

for everybody on the stage. Yeah, this was, I have no idea, honestly. I don't believe any of them when they say that they were there for love, obviously. They're there for, like, I believe. Love's an interesting byproduct that might come of this. But I would say that about any reality TV show. For sure, absolutely.

But like, this, it really got hammered into you over the two hours that this show was that this entire show is about love. Yeah. Finding love. Finding love. You've got to find your person. You're here to find something that you couldn't find in the real world. No, you're here to grow your influence.

So, like, don't put people down because they did that. That's what you did. There's like a middle ground, I think, where it's like respect the show. Yes, you're here to further your own objectives. That's inherent in any reality. Again, if you're on a reality show, you're trying to push your career forward. It doesn't matter if it's The Bachelor. a Bravo show, it could be Love Island, like, you name it.

If you're on TV, you're trying to do something with it. I think that what bothered me was the complete 180 from a lot of people on stage, not Nick and Alandria, not Shelley and Ace, but the majority of people on stage, all of their relationships seemed not that serious now that we're sitting at the reunion talking about them. Whereas in the villa, it's like, this is life or death. And like, obviously, when you get to the real world, it's going to shift. but the complete, like, yeah, I'll see where it goes now.

Yeah, and that's going to happen. And if you're watching from the outside looking and you know that's going to happen. Sure. Because once you get out of that house, and remember, all these people from the most part are like 23, 24, 25 years old at most, they get out. If they don't have a strong connection like Shelley and Ace or, you know, seemingly Nick and Elandria, then they're going to have opportunities for these other people in this party and these beautiful people in L.A. that know them from a TV show that they're talking to them now

but now they've known them before and now you're famous so it's sort of like that where it's like especially for the dudes and I feel like it's funny because we didn't we should be dogging the dudes the ones who had transgressions

that were trying to work on a relationship that they had in the villa but immediately outside of the villa started making out with people Austin we should be holding their feet to the fire instead it's like yeah I kind of expected this it's like okay well whatever

but yeah I think that's gonna happen and obviously you know I think this reunion was filmed two weeks ago, three weeks ago now? Why did they wait so long? I don't know why. I think they just fatigue probably. You've been in the villa for so long, but I...

Not them. If it filmed two weeks ago, put it out two weeks ago. I agree with that. Yeah, no, I fully agree with that because there's so much that can happen with these people in like a couple of days. The day before we get announcements that multiple people have cheated and broken up.

It's like, well, now I don't really give a shit when Pepe and Iris are talking about where they're at. I don't give a shit what Brian and Amai are saying because they're not together. They don't follow each other. Imagine that the evidence are scrambled, to just get rid of more stuff because they were there forever.

Andy posted at like 10 p.m. I think this thing started at like 11 a.m. They were still there, still working through everything. They still got down to two hours. So there is so much unseen footage. And this is what we got, though. Yeah.

Like the first hour was Jeremiah wasn't even out there. That was shocking. I don't know why they didn't incorporate him earlier. I love that he got a solo introduction. Yeah. Here comes Jeremiah walking out here. But why did we need, I'm sorry, I don't need any of the Casa people, any of them.

Unless they were able to transcend Casa into the main villa, I don't need you on the stage. I do not give a shit what Zach C, Zach Kay, Grayson. I guess Grayson's a little bit different, but. Grecking can stay. Yeah, Grecking can definitely stay. But the people that had no influence, didn't get picked, didn't stay on for longer, had no scenes where it was like, wow, I feel bad for you,

or, wow, I'm rooting for you. Why are they there? I don't know. It's a waste of money. and it's a waste of time for us. Yeah, and watching them come on stay. I don't care. You know, there's no, like, investment in those casa peeps.

But I enjoyed parts of the, again, I think it was nostalgia kicking in because I'm like, oh, there they are. But, yeah, certainly didn't have to be two hours. Let's dive in a little bit. We're going to jump around and just talk about some key moments. Yeah, some key moments. Some reactions. My, just real quick, before we move on to what the actual episode was, I don't think the show

is built for a reunion. I really just don't think And they never had a reunion before last season They only did it last year Because so many people were on board And it's like the United States thing to do, I guess They're gonna do that continuously Because it's an extra episode

That a lot of people are gonna watch And now that it's like primarily screening They don't have to worry about doing it on cable television So I guess that kind of makes sense But it's just not built for reunion life There's too many people I don't know what it is I always do this comparison

especially if we get a reunion. Do a comparison to like a housewives reunion. Or better yet, do a reunion to like a VPR. Yeah. All those people really know each other, but they're also really good at reunions. Yeah. And I think that's why Andy was brought in

was to try to like give some sort of structure to the reunion. He did structure it better than I thought it was. Way better because last year's reunion was a hot thumpster fire. It was just nothing. There was absolutely nothing. And it was two hours and there was nothing to be talking about. This was a little bit better because at least Andy had some stank on his questions. he pointed some things out.

It looks like Ariana kind of stepped forward a little bit, but I don't know what it is. It's just you get people, and there's a lot of dumb-ass people on a show like VPR, and yet they're still good at reunions. Yeah. You get these people from the villa who spent a lot of time together,

were living together for that long, had a lot of time to prepare for this, and they're just not good at it. They're really, they're so long-winded with their answers. It doesn't make any sense. Half of them aren't even paying attention. It's just, it's a dumpster fire. I agree with that.

I think that the answer is not that this show doesn't work with a reunion. I think that you can't use a Bravo format for the reunion. It has to be shaped differently. Like, we need to talk about key moments with the key players. Don't bring the cost of people because it just waste time and it aggravates. Keep it to an hour. You don't have to do two. And if you get actual content, stretch it out.

But I think that the focus needs to be more on unanswered questions, pivotal moments during the season that somebody didn't get to see her here like hey here's unseen footage of the kiss that you show Sierra if she had been there like take the moments that people haven't seen take current events

would be a big one like social media like hey this is happening now I think that they did that a little bit kind of did that a little bit yeah there wasn't a lot like leading up to what they were like when they did the reunion there wasn't a lot on social media for people that actually mattered you know like that's the other thing is you can't have

have a quiet cast. And I think that because of the format of the show, it's impossible to expect more from these people when they get out of the villa. So that's why you have to do it either like a week after they're done where it's still fresh. Or you have to make sure that they're active on social media, that they're actively pushing things out, that you can hear more than just podcast because none of us are listening to every podcast. Yeah, I think that was the big issue. And that kind of speaks to what you just said, where you said, just do it a week after. Yeah. Because there's way too much time. And I get it. Like if you want to have a my, on, you want to have, you know, the big star

from the show, if you want to have Huda on a podcast, fine. I get that. I understand that within like a day or two of them coming back. Then at least it gives us time, like, all right, we just saw clips. Like, I'm not going to watch a biofiles. Not gas. It's just never going to happen. But I will see clips of it on TikTok because I'm still interested in what happened.

We're like months removed and we're finally getting, you know, Huda's going to be over here. And we've got Amaya going over here. And then they're just doing like these one-off podcasts or TikTok lives. Nobody's watching. all of that. So when they're referencing it over and over and over again, I'm like, I don't care. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have a point of reference. And also the time that I cared was about a month and a half ago. I'm watching this to get some closure or at least, you know,

see your faces when you see something that's some unseed footage or see some sort of battle transpire where this is the first time where Jeremiah and Ace are going after each other because they haven't seen each other. Okay, cool. The rest of it, I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like, I'm sorry, but like Coco talking about going on a podcast where she was trashing Shelly and Alandria and now she has to answer for it, that means nothing to me. No, I agree. But like you just said, there are things that they could have pointed to and had they focused on those the whole time. Because there is enough to talk about of like unseen scenes that people weren't privy to. There's enough to talk about like where you're at now, the beefs between the guys, the beefs between the girls that are show centric, not podcast centric.

Because I think that that's where you run into trouble. Have them answer for stuff that we watch during the season. Now they have time to sit and think about it. I should have had a whole segment on Twitter questions. Definitely. Like, there were two, I think, that I counted in the entire two hours. And they were good questions. You could honestly shape the whole reunion around questions.

Yeah. That's what they do on Bravo. I know. Yeah, that's really all you have to do. Just hit all the major points. And I know you said, like, you know, maybe it doesn't work with the Bravo format. I would argue that the only reality TV format for a reunion anymore is Bravo. And I just contradicted myself because the question format is,

of big housewives and the other shows on Bravo format. I mean, if you think about like the Bachelor doing a reunion, they're all kind of format. Bachelor's a little different because it's a lot of audience and stuff. It's very wacky and it's not really that fun. But if you look at the other shows like that are on Hulu, that are on Netflix, like when they have reunions,

even if it's like a podcast reunion or whatever, it's still very much like a Bravo format. Yeah, you're right. I feel like they just kind of did that and transcended it themselves. Yeah. So I think that shift it that way then. Go full Bravo and just get the... Don't have the cost of more people there because we don't care.

No, you really, like, whittle the cast down because then also it becomes a sticking point for the cast, like, hey, not all of you're going to get invited to the reunion, so you better put up Numbies. So I think that that gives them incentive. So, again, hire us as producers. We've been asking for three years now. Man, and we're going to happen.

It should happen. It should happen. But let's jump in and jump around a little bit. First things first, obviously. We need to get into Nicolandria. I said in our last finale episode, if I see it at the reunion, I will say it. That was what I've been looking for. I know you still think that it's PR.

The little shit, how they were holding each other, the little look back, stuff like that, to me felt like genuine chemistry finally. I was like, okay, I see it. So right hand up, I said I would cop to it if I saw something at the reunion. I did. I felt it, you know, and I feel like the way that they answered questions. about each other and where they're at, I thought it seemed genuine to me. You got closure on Taylor, Andrea, too.

I did get closure on Tailandria. Still my dog. Yeah. Yeah, that whole situation is so strange when you really think about it. Taylor didn't talk the entire reunion. They didn't talk during the season either. That's true. But like, he stayed true to four.

Somebody who was such a like a primary focus for the whole reunion or for the whole season. He didn't say shit. No. And maybe anything from Clark? Like, I don't, I didn't know what was going on. This was just not at all what I signed up for. But, yeah, with Nicolandria, again, happy for them if they're getting their bag. I just, I still don't believe it.

I just simply. What about it, though? It doesn't. I think that they have good chemistry because they're close and they can be great friends. Like, I fully anticipate six months from now after all of the sponsorships and everything are done. They're parting ways, but it's like the nicest of parting ways. Like, I still love her so much.

I still love him so much. It's just not going to work out. Like, that's what I'm anticipating by the end of the year. I'll do that. I'll do a timer. So you got six months? I've got six months from today. Okay.

So February 26th, I think it is. Did you really just do that in August, September, October, November, January, February. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah, February 26th, if they are still together, I will revisit this. I can't commit to believing it, but I might not give a shit at that point. No, you're going to forget about this for sure. But I don't know.

I'll do it. I'll remind Siri. Hold on. Siri, remind me on February 26th of next year. to check back in on Nick and Alandria. Okay. There we go. All right.

All set. So we'll come back to that one. I'll probably be sitting here going over like Beverly Hills or some shit. So we'll probably want to talk about that. And I'll be miserable. Yeah. So we'll want to talk about Nicolandria because Beverly Hills is going to suck again. All right.

Well, let's keep trucking a little bit. And the first thing that's brought up is between Brian and Amaya. Some of the rumors that have been circulating because the, And this is where it gets confusing. And this is where it gets confusing because this is film two, three weeks ago, you said? Yeah. So these rumors have nothing to do with the unfollowing. Or maybe they do and more came to light.

And that came the unfollowing. I guess what happened was he was, quote unquote, hired to work a bar party or whatever, like be the guest of honor. The way that he makes it sound is he was pouring shots in girls' mouths. Yeah. I didn't see the video. Did you see the video? I saw some of the video. but it's pretty unclear as to what's going on.

But this is, I think, just part for the course for what they've been doing since they got out of the villa. They're hired for these appearances, and people are all over the place. And we see, and we'll get into the Pepe and Iris stuff, but we see guys and girls, depending on who it is that's out there, that are just making stories up. Like, oh, yeah, you know, I ended up hooking up with Brian at the end of the night just so they can get their 15 seconds of fame, which is embarrassing. But it still is something that a lot of people are going to latch on to.

A lot of people are going to talk about. Then all of a sudden we have to address these rumors at the reason. reunion. They could have very well, because the vibe that I was getting from both of them this reunion, I didn't think that they were together. Amaya and Brian. Yeah, they seemed kind of distant. They were pretty distant. They sat together. If you notice throughout the reunion, they were holding hands in the beginning. People started missed, like, people started moving around. I thought that's because people came out and they just shipped. Yeah, but the main couple stayed the same. Nick and O'Anda Landria stayed next to each other, Shelley and A's

Ryan and I didn't. Brian and Amaya split. So that, that was a little bit of a, okay. And obviously we know, you know, they unfollowed each other on Instagram. I'm sure there's going to be something that comes out in the next couple of week. I love that that's become the barometer of like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Again, I think we've talked about this before. I don't remember which show it was, but the people who go online and search

followers, oh yeah, the people find out that so-and-so unfollowed so-and-so. Why and how? I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't have the energy. Either way, I'm not buying that they're even together at this point. I think because they both seem nice, and maybe there was, you know, something

from Brian, like, you know, I've got some opportunities out here with other women that I like. I don't really see us working out. Amaya is very nice about it. They probably just agreed, like, hey, after the reunion, we'll fully split, but at least for the reunion, we'll just kind of, like, tie it together. So we don't have to answer any questions. Yeah, maybe.

I can see that. See that happening. I definitely didn't feel the chemistry between the two of them. They're not very captivating, so I don't really care. They weren't during the season. That's the other thing. That's the other thing. I was hoping Amaya would have some good, like, Amaya isms, and we didn't do any of those.

Yeah, no Amaya is. I still love her. Still team Amaya Popeye. Winner, it's like, I guess that's sort of, I don't know, I guess that's sort of what the whole season was in a nutshell. Amaya was great because she was just very nice and genuine. But honestly, she didn't do a whole lot. No, I disagree.

She said some fun stuff, but she didn't really, I don't know. That's the house. Yeah, no, this is the reunion. It's a reunion problem. This is a reunion problem. We didn't really talk to Amaya that much. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series. that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity,

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Learn more at SAC. No, this, yeah, it's a reunion problem. And I do, I love Chris. I've always loved Chris, but like, Chris, you were there. I didn't see shit. Yep. Hell yeah. Good job, Chris.

But he breaks it down a little bit more. He says, what Brian is saying is the truth. And I guess him and Maya had a conversation about this whole thing to clear it up. I'm not really sure. I don't know if they were split, but they definitely seemed like they weren't as solid as we've seen them in the past. Now, speaking of Chris, obviously with the Chris and Huda situation going on. So, I mean, Huda, the whole reunion aggravated me.

And I'm sure the Huda stands out. They're going to come for us, as they always do. How many times does she have to say, I love you? She said I love you to like every single thing. A million times. She couldn't answer anything. She was so, this was so disingenuine. This was, I don't want to come across as crazy.

I'm going to do my best. She laughed. Like, every time they showed her in the corner laughing at her crazy moments on screen. was not like you're not acquitted of like what you did like you did but that by laughing about it and acting like she has had this come to Jesus moment in a month I'm glad Andy points it out like in one month you've completely changed who you are like okay yeah she's trying to deflect and she's just like laughing things off she's not really answering any questions she's not getting to the bottom of anything she's sidestepping and giving excuses and giving half answers to try

to just be like we're cool right like we're moving on right and I'm glad that Chris was like, no, it's weird. The shit's weird. She's like, yeah, I feel fine. He's like, no, it's weird. And that's probably exactly why it's weird. Because Chris, I'm sure, assumed going into this, like, all right, we're going to have to answer for a couple of things. It's going to be a big sticking point. We're going to have to talk about our relationship, how we work through everything. And instead, Huda was like, no, we're good. Like, honestly, fully good. I don't really hold any animosity. And he's

like, what the fuck is this? The vibe I got from Huda, I'm better than everybody else in the show now. I have the most followers. I've got the us going on. Apparently she's going to do something with Netflix. That was the subtle plug ever. It wasn't no, she's not going to be on Netflix. It's that she's dating a guy from the perfect match. We can talk about. Is that what it is? She's dating Louis from perfect match

season. Here's a fuck. Why is she like so quite? She talked about it as soon as so, Andy asks obviously once we work through all the Chris and Hoda stuff Andy asked her, point blank, are you dating anybody? What's going on through relationships? I can't talk about it for a little reason. Netflix won't let us talk about it.

And it's because perfect match is airing right now and they don't want to disrupt it and yet there's still pictures of the two of you guys on a red carpet going to different premieres going out together you guys are shopping doing whatever haven't seen your daughter in any of those pictures but that's besides the point and yet you're going to sit here with a straight face and say that you can't talk about it but then today on instagram she posts and i'll read it because she has this holier than now type of fucking feel right now and it's brutal yep because she puts something out that that says, I prefer to share details about my relationships on my own terms, not for a TV show.

It has nothing to do with. Repeated pressure to open up, especially when it's excessive, makes me uncomfortable. And I'd rather, or I'd appreciate it, if it could be respected, but you'll all edit out the amount of times that you asked me and tried making others answer for me. Welcome to the reunion. What are we doing? What? You were on Love Island.

Yeah, what are we fucking eight weeks? What are we talking about here? I respect my privacy. Shut up. Like, what do we? What? No, that's ridiculous. And again, and this goes for something later, you will come out because this is self-serving

to post that within a couple hours of the reunion airing, but you can't do anything to tell your fucking sick of fans to stop going after Elandria and Shelly. And doing racist shit. Stop being fucking racist and being scumbags. You can't do that, but you can do this for yourself. Yep. Loser. And mind you, like, Nickelandria fans and Shelley fans were also going after.

Huda and doing similar things, so I don't want to, like, negate it entirely. But what we were given was they asked you point blank. You guys had, like, this, this kiki moment where everyone was viving in this house as you guys were staying in after the villa. And you said to their face, like, no problem, I'll take care of it. And you didn't. And your excuse for that is I got a lot going on. Yeah.

Like, that's not okay. What does she exactly have going on? Look, I will genuinely say I'm sure she's busy as shit. Like, I'm sure appearances, podcast, like, she's making the most of it. And I have no ill will towards Huda. Like, I hope she gets her bag. I hope everyone gets their bag from the show. Like, do what you got to do.

Whatever. But the excuses, again, that she's giving, it's like, okay, you have time to make a post and, like, record your face for 20 seconds. Like, hey, my crazy fans, let's not be racist. Okay? Put it out. That's all it would take. And that's a pattern with her where it's like, now that she has to answer for things, she gives the runaround.

And then when she's done talking, she ends it in so matter-of-fact tone. She's like, and that's it. Like when she's talking about not contacting Chris. Because Chris is like, yeah, I expected us to have that conversation. We didn't have that conversation. Two days before the reunion, she decides to call me. And I know exactly why it. So we come out here.

Tensions aren't high. But I don't fall for that shit because I know what she's trying to do. Huda. I didn't know what to do. And like, I didn't know how to talk to him about it. And then I saw that my fans were giving him hate. So then I was like, ooh, I want to reach out to him to make sure he knows I don't condone that. It's like, okay, two days before the reunion is pretty fucking convenient, no, when this has been going on for months now.

She got out of that villa and she had the biggest smile on her face. And she found out that she had the most followers because the fans of this show made the worst person in the house famous. She has five million followers. Way too many. Five million too many, actually. Insane. You guys are empowering the worst person in this house to continue terrible behavior. It's not going to change.

That's what's crazy. It's like, you know, and I understand that every show, like, Tamara has plenty of fans. Sure, yeah. And, like, I know Hood is going to have plenty of fans. I guess for me, it's, like, it's fascinating to watch people turn a blind eye to horrible behavior. Yeah. And then when you challenge that behavior, they attack you, like, you're a monster. That doesn't make any sense to me.

No. No, it doesn't. So, I, dude, I just, nobody in their right mind would ever believe that she's all of a sudden a changed person. No, and he didn't. That's why he called it out. I'm glad he did. That was funny as shit. But, like, I don't know.

Every answer she gave felt like it was half-assed. Every answer she gave felt like she was trying to just get an excuse and sidestep the response that she didn't have to actually cop to anything. It didn't seem genuine at all. You nailed it. Very disingenuous performance. And, yeah, like, unfortunately, she's going to be around for a while because she's got fucking five million followers and counting. And I'm sure, like, two million of those people probably followed because they just wanted to see her. crash out and have crazy behavior.

Maybe. Yeah. But she doesn't see that. No. She's not going to understand that part of it. She just thinks she's famous, which is terrible for everybody. But moving on, we want to get over to Iris and Pepe because that's more recent. There's a lot going on there.

We alluded to it. Steele and I have already talked about this. I don't think we really believe exactly what's been coming out where a, shit, what was the network. Oh, man. She's working with. I thought it was CBS for some reason. I don't think that's right. She has to work with him for the remainder of the week, apparently.

Yeah, whoever this woman is. I don't know if it's Peacock. It could be NBC. It could be NBC. It might be something else. I'm not sure, but there's a woman from a network that was assigned to work close to Pepe for some sort of event that we don't know about. And she was immediately on Snapchat saying that her and Pepe had sex in the hotel lobby.

And now she has to work with him all week. and it's going to be very awkward. No, she said it's going to be great. Like, that was the thing, which rocks. I don't know if it was being sarcastic or not. But yeah, it's like the picture of the corner of her eye on a bus. And she says that. So obviously.

She is blocked. The corner of her eye did look like Hannah. I will say that. But again, with a show like this, where there's so much publicity around it, there's so much, like, let me get, My 15 minutes of fame, my 15 seconds of fame, rumors are really hard to decipher. Now, with the unfollowing of it all, Iris doesn't strike me as a person that would see this online and immediately be like, what the fuck, I'm out.

She strikes me to somebody that's like, we need to talk about this, what the hell is going on, get the information, then make a decision. Yeah, yeah, that's probably what happens. I think that there's somewhere in the middle, I don't know if he looked up with this chick or not, clearly something happened that led to them breaking up which breaks my heart I love papyrus I really did

but something happened do I believe that he pointed this chick in the lobby I don't know I don't I believe something happened though but something probably happened that resulted in this I don't think this is like the Amaya Brian stuff where they just probably weren't a good fit

and decided to kind of go their own ways we don't know that either but I can see this one being more of like a something happened that resulted in their breakup because it was just very quick, sudden everybody saw it, and now today there were pictures of her outside with Zach Kaye as he handed

her a bouquet, probably as like a Mike Adolence's flower. The thirstiest guy on all of TV. The best part I thought he was in London. No. He zoomed in from L.A. He lives in L.A. That's crazy. What the fuck?

Miguel from last season, but yeah, so he wasn't, I don't know, He had scheduling conflicts. He couldn't fly out to New York. I don't know what it was. Oh, was this in New York? Oh, I thought it was in L.A. I thought it was doing it.

No, they did it in New York. And I only know that because four of them were on watch what happens live right after. Right, right, right, right. But that being said, we get a little bit deeper into all the other stuff that's been going on. We saw that Iris and T.J. had met up on social media and they had a discussion. It wasn't really social media. It was people stalking them, which is weird. That shit was creepy as hell.

Yeah, it was just like a picture of the two of them hanging outside of an apartment. At night. At night. And I was like, okay. I'm behind a vehicle. Bizarre. But we get some clarification on that one. Closure.

Some closure. Closure, baby. Just wanted to sit down together, talk about all the stuff they'd gone through. Cool. It's good by me. Is there a door open now for T.J? They seem genuine. I don't know.

I think a lot of them for what it's worth, they're going to come away from these situations, like the relationships that they're in, if it ends up in like a cheating scandal or if it ends up in something else, they're probably not going to date somebody else in that show. I would imagine. Maybe just move on. I think it's time to move on for sure,

but I'm just curious. Oh, Hannah. You want to talk about Hannah? Let's talk about some Hannah. Hannah's great. Yeah. That was stellar. She was the MVP of the reunion for me,

watching her kind of go through the heartbreak and watching the montage again, all of her shit with Charlie, then her shit with Pepe, watching her watch the girls deliberate. And again, I still don't understand how that was the evaluation of Hannah's time on the show. That's still, by the way, the overarching, the question that just hangs over this whole season is the hypocrisy of, and I'm throwing a Landry into this too, and even Sierra at the time, because Sierra was part of that deliberation. The three of them sat down and deliberated on who to send home.

Their reasoning for Hannah was, well, we saw her and she just went through everything with Charlie, and now she's going through everything with Pepe again. She's not really exploring. She's not exploring other connections. She's just falling right back into the same thing. The three of them did not move on from their connections until forced when Elandria did. The rest, the other two, were happy with the people that they were with from episode one. And you're not going to sit here and convince me that Shelley was actually giving Austin a chance.

Ever. That was never real. Zero points was Shelly actually considering exploring a connection with Austin. It was so platonic. It was unbelievably just so friend-coded. You wanted Ace the whole time. Ace wanted you the whole time. Ace got dealt a good hand in his situation because Ulyssa got sent home, so he was single,

and he was able to pursue Shelley, but he never pursued anybody else. Why was that not the number one question? Why didn't we sit down right away and say, hey, guys, how come you were so hard on all these other people that you sent home? And by the way, the results that they showed from this when Jeremiah came out, they're not real. There's no way, right? People still have screenshots of that because they were pissed about it. And it doesn't show Jeremiah as the person going home, and it doesn't show Hannah as the person going home. And why do that?

So I just, I don't really fucking understand it. It was just something to spin. But again, why was that not the question that started everything? I don't know. Hey, guys, why were you so hard on them when none of you explored connections? I don't know. Rewatching that scene of them deliberate, I was. I was like, that's not true.

Hannah's been playing the game. Hannah got dealt a shitty hand, actually, because her guys keep getting sent home. Yeah. And she's trying her best to move on from the guy. By the way, when she was with Charlie, Pepe came in and she snuck away to go hook up with Pepe, which was a good Love Island moment.

Exploring. Because that's exploring from within your connection to outside your connection, then was able to rein it back in and sit down with Charlie before Charlie got sent back home. She was doing a way better job of playing this game than you guys were. Yeah. And even, it's stupid. After watching it and seeing how it went down, she's like, I have no ill, will.

Like, everybody wants me to be mad at these people, but they don't know the connection we had in the house. I love these girls. I love this. La, la, la. She is so graceful. She's so gracious. And I just thought that she handled herself exceptionally well. I would love to see Hannah on Love Island Games.

I think she deserves another shot because she got totally hosed by the cast. And again, like, in those most. moments, I wish it was more so, like, it was a tough decision. We had to make a decision. Yep. Not still standing on your laurels of, look, we stand by what we said because that doesn't track. And I like Shelly.

I like Allandria. Fuck Sierra. But I don't get how you watch that scene through and going through your own experience, as you just talked about, all of you stuck with the same person you were with the whole time, that that's your reasoning at this juncture. Just say, like, look, we had a tough decision. We landed on Hannah. Yeah, that's really all you have to say.

I would respect that a lot more. Yeah, we wanted to give Amaya a fair shot because she's been dealt a shitty hand. Unfortunately, you were the one who had to go home. That's all you have to say. Okay. Really makes no sense. No, it doesn't. And also, another thing that was never answered, why did Huda get so many chances?

This is where, like, the production starts. That's where the season could have changed. Yeah, the season could have changed if he sent her home. That's where production kind of creeps in my brain, and I really don't like that when that happens. but the fact that we didn't address that at all, Hoda was on the chopping block like 10 times. Nick was the only one who actually stood up and said, I'm voting for you again because I want to send you home.

Nobody else did. It makes zero sense. Even when you guys were all pissed at her, you didn't send her home. And yet, she's still here, and we're not answering that question. That second vote still lives rent-free. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

Like, that would have changed the entire season. That is the moment, the pivotal moment of when that season turned bad. I just, I don't understand it. But I think that's really it as far as relationships and where we are now. I think so. I don't think, Shelley and Ace are exclusive and he's planning a big romantic gesture. And apparently planning on marrying her. Yeah, planning on marrying her.

Yeah, that's going to happen to. We do need to talk about the comments on Instagram because they just kind of laughed all that off. They sure did. Now, he could have gone back and went all the way back to 2022, commented on a photo. but I'm not buying. There's dates on the comments, aren't there? Yeah, I don't think there's dates on the comment.

Maybe there is. If you go back far enough, I'm sure somebody probably did. I just didn't look it up. I'm just, I'm still not buying it. I'm not saying that they had a plan where they did this, but like there was so much there already. I don't think there was a master plan. No.

Like, I know we joked about that during the season. I don't think they were actually in cahoots like, we can get this bag. I think what happened was they were both going into it with this preconceived notion. of I'm going after Shelley and Shelley is going after Ace and we already have somewhat of a foundation

built because I know that person so let's dive in deeper. The attraction was already there, they already had some flirtatious behavior once they found out that each other were going to be on the show again I'm not saying that they conducted some master plan but it ruined the show

for the two of them because they were already okay I've liked you for a while Ace has had a cross on her for years now you're in the same villa with her Shelly finally comes into I guess comes the terms of the whole thing and you guys only went after each other you never explored well even when she was ruined the show the Chris thing like I didn't I thought that she gave Chris like an actual shot so like I didn't mind that as you said like the Austin shit was just ridiculous like nobody thought that that was real and like the fact that you know I'm glad Ace at least said like I wish I had sent Austin home instead Austin should have been gone so fucking early that guy is such a dud in every way way, shape, and form. Like, him on the reunion is what I imagine, Austin in real life. Yeah.

Like, talking to a wooden plank. Like, the only thing he said the entire reunion that was like, okay, good. When he wasn't on the stage, he said, that's the system that you set up. Yeah. That was a good call. But once he actually had to go with Ace, and when Ace was actually asking him questions and going back and forth, he just shelled up. When Ace got, like, full-blown Napoleon syndrome and just kept talking about how much of a

man he was. I laugh at those jokes all the time about how. small I am, but I'm not that small, okay, guys. It's not funny either. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm a man. I can admit when I, because I'm a man, I can admit. Stop. I don't know what he was doing this reunion. He was on some shit, bro. Like, I don't know. Like, he was taking

everything personally. Like, so personal. Which is so funny. And I do think that, like, and we'll get into the Jeremiah stuff, but I do think him and Jeremiah came away from it with like some mutual respect. I think that's exactly. Just mutual respect. Which I'm cool with, by the way, because as long as they're cool, you know, we should be cool. But

it's not really worth it to go after Austin I don't I that's where I get like in the middle where it's like I you do want to knock him down because like but he's so stupid that's where it doesn't land as well yeah he's just like I don't even know what's going on but I do like him taking shots at Austin like I like Ace I thought Ace was entertaining

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yeah and it was and Huda saying I love you it was Huda saying I love you over and over again it was Huda doing the this is what's best for us right but it's best for me but this is what's best for both of us right but it's really best for me right okay you're on board okay cool yeah and like what I will say

is Shelly was reluctant and she was reluctant and she was reluctant but what I will say, credit where credits do, what I watched is what Huda said happened. Yeah. Like, that is very true. She was very clear like, I'm going after this guy. You can too.

We can both go after him. I love you. Yeah. Like, the feel was, and I don't remember necessarily if Huda was trying to spin it like, Shelly asked me to do it because I don't think she ever did.

I don't remember that. I said, I had this idea. I know you still want to explore him, but you could tell in this, iteration of whatever the scene was. She wasn't really on board. She was just like, okay. She seemed hesitant, but she didn't say no, either.

Yeah, no, at no point did she ever say, no, don't do that. I want to get back to Ace. She did say, I am excited to get back to Ace, but, you know, I don't really know if there's anything here with Chris, and I know you're dealing with things with Chris, but it was really just Huda just hammering at home. I'm going to bring Chris over for both of us. It's like, okay. Yeah, and like, I guess it could have gone better if she said, I'm interested in Chris.

I'm going to pursue that. sorry Shelly but Shelly's spin on it where it's like you know she was doing this for her but she kept saying for me I imagine that happened a couple times like I got you girl like something like that the conversation I watched and the cast agrees

what Huda was saying happened happened Yeah what Huda was saying happened happened and it doesn't help Shelley's case because later when we get to the stand on business challenge Shelly was weirdly upset that Huda was going after Chris. Yeah. So we just watch this scene where you were like,

okay, yeah, I guess it makes sense. Bring them over. But I'm really kind of focused on Ace. I'm excited to shift back to that. You can't then get mad that Huda is going after Chris. So that all still tracks. And at the time, it tracked. Yeah.

And look, it's an interesting setup. I don't know. I do believe Huda there. I like Shelly much more than I like Huda. Yeah. But in that moment, I am actually team Huda. And I thought Shelley, for the most part, I thought she handled herself well this reunion.

I enjoyed her. And when it comes to this situation, I don't know. I hate to say Tim Hoda, but that's where I land. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really know what to make of any of that. If you're wondering why we haven't talked about Taylor and Clark, it's because they didn't talk. Clark really said one sentence, I believe.

So the update there is that they're managing a long-distance relationship and working on it. Yeah, and Clark went to Oklahoma and rode horseback. Yep. Yep. You want to talk about... What an update. Let's speak in a riding. Let's talk about the heart rate challenge.

Let's talk about the heart rate challenge. We'll save the Jeremiah A stuff for the end, but the heart rate challenge, we were all looking forward to this. Yes. The unseen footage of what the hell happened there that got everybody in a tizzy. It was worth the tizzy. It was a tizzy after watching that, because we were both somewhat on, you know, Camp Huda there where it's like, Yeah, it's a challenge. Yeah.

They go after it. You can't lick pee-p's. You can't tell me that Ace wasn't into that, though. Ace was clearly into it. He was so into it. He was so excited. He continued to make out with her. Yeah, that shit was like that was mutual.

Yeah, there was a lot going on there. And I do think, again, the lines get very blurry in this show. We're not really sure. Yeah, that's a challenge. Are we going to lean into it? Ace was enjoying himself. Ace was part of the problem. Without a doubt.

I would say it's 50-50 Blank. Same there. What I will say, because at the time, again, I was like, it's a challenge, it's overreacting. I'm totally team Shelly here. I think that the way that she carried herself afterwards was warranted. And it's also using what... I wonder if she was pissed at Ace too. I don't think she had enough smoke for Ace.

We talked about that during the season. I thought that he deserved more shit for that. But after watching how Huda goes through the reunion, that's what she was doing during the season. Yeah. She was trying to sidestep, negate and move on and just say, I love you. We're cool, right? Rather than really address it and get into it, she knows what she did was fucked up. But the way that she was during the season didn't scream, I realized what I've done wrong.

After watching it back, it's like, I know this show's wacky. I know that half these challenges are soft core porn. I know that the wackier it is, the more views you get, all that stuff. It's week five, as somebody points out. Yeah. You know it's Shelly and Ace. it's been Shelly and Ace. You claim to be girls with her.

It doesn't mean that you can't ride them on the platform like you did. It doesn't mean you can't. When Chris and Shelley, when Chris and, yeah, when Chris and Shelley ended, that's where you should have ended. Instead, you went 69. Yeah. And, like, he was like, he was in a different world. Yeah.

His eyes, he didn't know that anybody else was there anymore. Like, he was so engulfed in this moment with Huda. Now, again, I go back to the beginning. She's licking pee-pies Through the pants You don't lick your girl's man's pee-poo the pants No, no And obviously this just sparks the whole conversation

About boundaries and what do they mean And obviously we are all on the same page here The boundaries are Unless they're spoken There is a boundary in there somewhere There's an unspoken agreement between The visible boundary We're like you just kind of hit a point

And you're like, okay, did I take that too far? And she did at this point say you know, maybe I took things a little too far. But it was still like if I hurt your feelings. Correct. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. That's pretty much all she was doing here. But yeah, like what in the hell?

And you can tell once it gets to the point that the whole cast who's on this same show with you is visibly upset, maybe you went a little too far. That's the thing. Like everybody there was like, yeah, it was too much. It went on forever, too. I mean, they had comments about softcore porn

halfway through. And then by the end of it, like, this isn't even soft anymore. No. And they're all sitting there. Like, we talked about that during the season. Because we weren't sure what to make of the whole thing. What we did reference was it cut back to the cast and everyone's jaw was on the floor. And Taylor verbally said that's more, that wasn't a challenge.

Yeah. That was more than a challenge. So watching it back now, it's like she should have if Shelly is your girl. But now we know that there's more tensions there because of everything that's going on social media. you would have just said, dude, I got caught up in the moment. It's a challenge. I took it too far. I'm so sorry.

You don't do that still. It's still like a sidestep half-ass topology. And I'm fully 100% team Shelley now. I think that her reaction to all of it is 100% warranted because that shit was too much. Yeah. It was simply too much. But Ace deserved so much more shit for that. He was into it.

He forgot that Shelley existed at that moment. He forgot that anybody on the couches were. there he thought that they were in a bedroom by themselves that's the other thing that we didn't really talk about was that first blindfold challenge ace went over and kissed huda yes so why didn't we'd like draw anything in there like well it looked like you were enjoying yourself during the heart rate challenge is that why you went over and kissed her in the first place was there some attraction there ace answer ace and make him answer yeah they didn't really make i mean they tried to make huda answer she just wouldn't answer they didn't really make anybody answer any questions

Like, what are we doing here? Like, that was the part that frustrated me. And that's where, you know, we get seasoned vets from Bravo that are able to ride the storm and, like, get through the question. Yeah, stand on business. Yeah. And Andy doesn't hesitate to keep poking, keep poking, keep poking. That's where this one fell short because when you get close to like, they're about to have a breakdown. Yeah.

Because they don't want to answer and you're trying to pry it out of them. That's when you triple down and say, no, we're not moving on until you answer. I've seen Andy do it. Like, there's so much that had to get cut out of this. And they're already starting to talk about it. Austin said that he had a whole crash out, apparently. They just got completely cut. It probably sucked.

But they can't say what it is. They can never say, oh, I crashed out over this because we were talking about this, because they have the NDA. The NDA doesn't run out for another year. So they can't say anything. By the time that they do, nobody's going to care anymore. I'm on to the next cast. So it's just so stupid.

And they're all doing, you know, TikTok Lives. There was one last night with Jeremiah watching with, I think, Hannah and Iris. They were all, like, sitting together, like, watching something and, like, kind of just addressing some things, but they can only say so much. So it's just, it's frustrating. It's annoying, especially when you get a reunion. You're like, all right, we're going to get some answers. And then we don't get the answers that we all wanted because it's just a complete, like, eight to ten hours of nonsense. There's too much red tape.

There's so much red tape. But, again, you can get into the nitty gritty of these things if you cut the fat. There's just simply, again, no reason why half of those people should have been there. I shouldn't have been there for that long in the season to begin with, but they definitely shouldn't be at the reunion at this point because we don't care about them. We care about having Ace answer questions. We care about having Jeremiah and Huda answer questions about their crash out

and all the things that happened. And instead we just get like this where it's like, okay. Like Charlie and Hannah for 10 minutes where it's like, yeah, okay. It was nice to check in with Hannah because she did go through a lot. But at the same time, it's like, okay, yeah, that's good. Why are we talking to Grayson about Pepe? I don't know. I don't care.

I don't know. Just simply don't care. But yeah, the last big thing that we need to talk about and then we're going to get some questions from the rest of you guys. We finally get the Jeremiah Ace showdown. It was okay. Yeah, it was fine.

I thought that how much more are they going to do at this point? You know, it's like it's months ago or a month ago. Yeah, we're so far removed. You get some unseen footage about him going home. It was more of the same thing. It was almost a carving copy of what Sierra Shelley and only Andrew were doing when they sent Han home.

And you do see, obviously, that Nick stood up and said, look, I didn't send you home. I thought that was big. I didn't vote you home, but I knew that I was just going to be outmatch. Because Taylor and Ace, they both wanted to send Jeremiah home. Jeremiah accused them of that. It was true. They didn't move.

They didn't even consider the other people that were up there. They just wanted to send Jeremiah home because they thought he was going to do the same thing with Andrina. That's not why. Which doesn't make any sense, again. And I think we talked about this during the season. he went from Huda, got out of the toxic environment, moved on, was excited, was elated, he felt later, he was moving around, he was talking to Iris.

It didn't really hit off, but it's not like he chose Iris. America chose Iris for him. So what is he supposed to do? There's somebody who's his type coming in. He's just not shacking up with her already. He's not asking her to go sleep in Soul Ties. He's just chatting with her. And he's cracking jokes, which I guess is, you know, there's a huge line there.

A fucking joke. Yeah, I'm going to just talk to her. all night so you guys can't talk to her like what it's a joke takes that serious yeah and then he's using that as ammo to try to like knock jeremiah down on stage it's like dude everything that he said or everything that you're saying ace that he said that was like why would you say this it's like that was quite clearly a joke i didn't even hear it and i can tell you right now he was fucking with you and you're using that as like cannon fodder to be like ha ha got you jeremiah you don't get to like the root of why ace didn't like jeremiah to begin with because jeremiah was more popular

popular than Ace. Probably. It could be that. Honestly, like, he saw the cool kid, and he wants to be the cool kid, so he's like, I'm getting this guy the fuck out of here. Yeah, it was stupid, but I do think that they came away with some sort of mutual respect by the end of it, because at least Jeremiah was able to get all the stuff off his chest.

Ace was able to get a couple of things off of his chest, which I don't think he necessarily needed to because he did enough during the season where it's like, we know where you stand. Yeah, we're quite clear. We know where you are with this. It doesn't make any sense to me that you're going to accuse him of not pursuing connections and he was just going to fall into the same thing with Andrina, who's not Huda, and you do see that Huda was mostly the problem. I'm not saying Jeremiah doesn't

deserve some of the blame, but Huda was a lot of that problem. He got free of that and you're going to accuse the guy of doing the same thing again and love bombing because Huda is saying that he's going to move in with her as soon as this is over. Which is not what he said. Again took that for Bible, which makes no sense. There was just so many things that were misconstrued. And I get like in that environment a lot of things are going to come across you're like whoa that's kind of fucking weird but if you really think about it and just be a person people joke people are sarcastic ace loves jokes ace does love jokes wow yeah according to ace yeah i love jokes but that's not funny that one wasn't funny i just don't get it i don't get it i like and then we got the huda and

jeremiah stuff like the love bombing let's talk about the love bombing did he love bomb huda I think that there was a mutual love bomb-ish situation going on. I think it was a love bomb environment. It was a love bomb environment, but the examples that they were using for Jeremiah love bombing didn't land. He came in there with the Webster's Dictionary. He came in with 37 pages. They didn't let them come in with those.

Of the defense, yeah. I thought the reasons that he gave, like, in his defense, I thought they were good. Yeah, I thought there was. I think that you got caught up in the whole thing, and I think that you guys moved way too. fast, and I think that you're both to blame for that. You guys were, like you said, it was a love bomb environment.

Yeah. But, for example, the first example given, you told people I wanted to move in with you. What I said was, if we're going to do this, these are the next steps, and this is how we would move forward. You took that and told everyone I wanted to move in with you. Yeah. So what's being portrayed then leads to the guys having some kind of issue with Jeremiah because of how he's moving, which also is partly.

his problem because of how he was moving, but the examples that were used were very bad examples, I thought. Yeah, they were terrible examples, and I get it, like, and I'll even applaud it because if you're in an environment like that and you find out that a guy's love bombing a girl, maybe you, I don't know, maybe it's a little early on and you're not really sure about Huda, you don't really know about her behavior or tendencies yet, but you sure will soon. Maybe it's good to step in and be like, all right, let's not do this. Let's just cut this off.

but they didn't even go about it the right way to cut it off. They were just talking about it constantly and complaining about it constantly. And then blaming Jeremiah for all of it, which is, again, insane. There's two people there. It was weird. I don't think either of them love bombed each other. It was just a weird bubble. There was love bombing in the air, but I don't know who sent the air out there.

Sure. And at the same time, when Jeremiah started to lean a different direction, Nick, Ace, someone else was there, you guys gave him a bunch of shit for the Huda situation. That doesn't make any sense. Your whole issue with him

was that he was locked in on one person. He goes to move on, and that was the scene where Huda's listening on like trying to eat off. Yeah, I mean, the most real thing said this entire season was damned if I do, damned if I don't. Honestly.

Truly was. He was getting ripped for the things he was doing with Huda. And then he was getting ripped for moving away from Huda, which is what everybody really wanted. I think what they saw in that moment was, holy shit, this is a ticking time bomb. The further you move away from her, she's just going to explode. And now we have to deal with it. Then you're presented with an opportunity to send her home, and you don't send her home.

Right. You send him home. Yeah, I don't. It's just none of it ever added up. And again, I don't think that they were asking the right questions at this reunion. And maybe they did, and they just never got good answers. Probably that. I do assume that there were a lot of questions that were thrown out there that maybe were even

somewhat in line with what we wanted to understand and what we wanted to know. And instead, the cast members just gave bullshit responses or ran around with absolutely nothing and they had nothing to put out there. There was no content. So it's like, all right, let's just cut this out and we'll just move forward.

And I think that's kind of what we got. Yeah, I agree. And that goes to, are these cast members equipped to do a reunion because they are difficult to perform well at as we've seen multiple times? Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, all in all, it was two hours that did not need to be there. And please, no micro-influencers next year. No, get a bunch of randos, a bunch of super hot random people that we don't know. And I think the biggest takeaways from this reunion, I'm glad that Ace and Jeremiah got to sit down and talk face-to-face one more time. Don't care about Austin. What's my biggest takeaway, honestly, is, again, the lack of. of any response from Huda about the racist remarks

that were going on the fact that even during the reunion her answers for those remarks and for her actions or inactions in that whole situation were terrible. Like she took no accountability. She didn't back her friends up.

She's trying to sit there and say, I genuinely love this person, genuinely love this person. Everything she gave was a bullshit excuse, a half-assed answer. I wish that she in that moment, again, just that I fucked up. I'm sorry.

I should have said more. Give a reason why. I don't know, but watching a Landria cry and have her say, like, my face was plastered on to George Floyd's body. Yeah. And you had no response to that. Like, that's fucking nuts. Her response was, I didn't know that. I didn't see that.

But they told you. Yeah. And, like, that's her whole thing. That's a problem, yeah. And then she gives, like, this fucking political answer. Like, I denounce racism. Yeah, no shit, dude. Like, that's the most basic answer ever.

You fucked up. And you're not answering for your fuck up. Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. And she's going to have fucking 5 million people like,

no, we're team Huda. Whatever. Probably. Let's get some questions. Oh, I do want to give one more shout out. One more. Watching their progression of Ariana sitting next to Andy at her first reunion from VPR.

And now she's hosting a reunion. That's cool. And so props to Ariana. That's, that's, what a, what a climb. Yeah. You know? What a climb. but let's get to some questions here first up from k nudge five why was it so boring

so you didn't do any like fun questions i know uh from maya c riley do you still think hooda was bullied in the villa oh we didn't talk about the bullying no no let's talk about that real quick no yeah no i thought that she was treated like everyone else was treated she had her moments where people were mean to her but again part of this show is the the talking behind people's backs. No, it could happen with everyone. She did it too. So no.

And I think that, like, is a total fucking cop-out for her behavior where she's like, she gets out of the villa and now she feels isolated and bullied. It's like, when?

They stood by you after all your crazy shit. Time and time again. And again, we're watching moments of you break down and have these, like, crazy, crazy moments.

Of course they're going to sit over there and talk shit. You crashed out yesterday and now you're going and standing next to Jeremiah. while he's working out but you guys are apparently not cool according to you and then you're vogueing for them because you think that they're staring at you they're talking about you yeah that's part of the show everyone's talked about everybody why is hooda the one that got bullied i have no idea

i think it was just the easiest option for her she came out of that instead of just taking ownership which she's she says she's doing she's working on herself and taking ownership and saying some of my behavior was just atrocious and blah blah blah blah but you're gonna lean on the bullying thing and say that you felt like you were bullied. She's going to Tamara's therapist. She also knows what she's doing. That's a trigger word that she can throw out there into the ether and everybody's going to just immediately

flock to her and say she wasn't bullied. Just so she can get the gratification. That's all she was doing. And the fact that she's like, maybe I shouldn't have used that word, you think? Probably not. Probably not. Yeah, fucking stupid. Yeah. From P.G. Riley, who would win in a spelling bee? Austin or Zach K? Probably Zach. Zach. Yeah.

Austin is the dumbest human being I've watched on a TV show in my life I can't stand him And like his fucking My body count, it dropped Because I forgot Pete was sick, dude You bang chicks You're so fucking cool, weasel

From Sid Lee's people are complaining about Andy being harsh That was child's play compared to Bravo, it was Who said he was harsh? There's, there are people This is the problem with like The new Love Island fans There's so many soft people out there

Bro, that was child's play. Yeah. That was nothing. He was so soft. I hope that those people understand that this is going to continue and that kind of pushes them away from Love Island because it's just a better product without those idiots. Yeah, that's ridiculous. He didn't dive into anything we needed him to dive into. He tried a couple times and met an immovable wall.

But, like, that was, that's the most docile I've seen Andy at a reunion. Yeah. harsh I'm gonna speed run these because it's a lot of people just saying they were bored from Health Godder I don't know about y'all

but I was bored halfway through oh Mary had a little not a question I was just re-traumatized by Huda yeah I don't think I was traumatized by Huda I was just annoyed

yes I just fucking talk and answer some questions you're not bigger than everybody else now from K. Looker Woods, I thought Shelley overreacted, but the extended scene buried Hoodah. She lied about it on CHD. What is CHD? Call her daddy. Oh, yeah, I forgot she was on that.

And then she said on the podcast that she did not put her ass in the face And that part was worse Yeah Yeah We are, we agree We went the wrong direction during the season We're team jelly Absolutely

From Chavon B. Hamm In Bravo terms How many parts should this reunion have been Slash how would you fix it? We kind of walked through a lot of how we would fix it One part But still one part Absolutely one part based on what we got content wise

From these people They're just not built for reunions One part, make it in an hour film. Maybe it would be better again if it was just kind of like a cut down version. We don't need all the extra people. I know it's probably fun for them. They were on a show. They get to go to New York, be on a reunion.

Cool, whatever. Not for me. Just, you know, go away. If you're going to go the fun route, then make it fun. You tried to go the normal, serious, we're going to break some shit down route. Yeah. And you brought everybody there. If it's just a reunion to see everybody again, go the Bachelor route.

Yeah. Go in front of a live audience, get wacky, stupid shit. I won't like it, but people will. You tried to go the serious route and nobody was actually answering anything. So, like, that's the problem. Yeah. And you filmed for 17 hours, it says here. So, like, if you have a core group and then it gives, again, incentive to the cast members to perform well, then you get a better product because you have, I don't know, eight people up there for the majority.

Yeah. That's all. Like, I would honestly say eight to 12th. Yeah. Somewhere in that realm where, yes, I don't even think that you need. really all four of the final four couples because every year it's going to be like what is this couple doing here don't really need that but if you have like 12 people up there you can even interchange them a little bit the people who made the biggest impact that we really need to talk to great fan favorites do not need updates I'm sorry we don't need updates from people like jaden and

grason either Zach either of them like jd in the back like I don't need cuts over to jd talking about his relationship with somebody else like who gives a shit no one cares no one cares you had your five minutes of fame you're up you're done it too yeah uh last one here from hi my name is sandy is huda gonna be in our is huda gonna be famous and never leave our lives now also go birds so oh yeah go birds for sure uh and yes unfortunately i'm sure just in the realm that we're in social media we're still going to get huda updates every once in a while i'll be looking for other updates and i will come across a hud update probably yeah i have this weird feeling that she's going to be on love island games

I think that NBC is going to try to capitalize. No, I don't think she will. I think she feels like she's way bigger than that. I agree with that. I don't think she'll do it. That's what I thought the whole air about her in the entire reunion was I'm better than this show now. Yeah. But I don't know, dude.

That's a very network move. Like, what's the hot thing right now? Sign her up. I hope not. But, yeah, that's it for questions. Everybody else is just commenting on how boring it was. Yeah, well, we're right there with you guys. But I am excited for Love Island Games.

There's something, I don't know, dude. It's not even catharsis. Like, I don't know what I get out of this show, but there's something that just reels me in. Like, it's bizarre. Like, as soon as it comes on, I'm like, fuck yeah. We'll have to see, like, who's on it. This could just be, like, an easy,

maybe we'll just throw it out there for our members. Just give a little update here and there. This could be an exclusive members on our members program. depending on who comes from season six and season seven there's going to be like Love Island Australia people in their UK people that we don't know I'm so excited for that though

I don't want to know that I know yeah so it might just be something special for our members it might just be something special for me and steal well I also I also think that we have two very different ideas of what the show is going to be yeah I don't think it's going to be that captivating I don't think people are going to talk about it do you understand the setup is the same

I understand that yeah but I just think that it's I think the way it works, the way this show goes, everybody who watches it, even if you love it, you just get fatigued. And you get excited about it next summer. Yeah, maybe. They're going to throw something else out there in September where there's other shows coming out

that you can actually really sink your teeth into. I think it's going to be like, oh, yeah, it's on in the background. So we'll have to see. We'll gauge the interest. We'll see who's right. Yeah, because I think it's going to be good. Yeah, it could be good. I just don't think anybody's going to talk about it.

I guess we'll find out. That's why you bring Huda. See, you're, see, you're, Do you see now? Do you see? If who is there, I don't want to do it. We have to, because then people will definitely watch it. We don't have to do anything.

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