Bros & Shows - "I Asked You to Coffee, I Thought We Were Cool Again!" (In The City Full Recap S1E2)

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

What's up bros? Well, we think we can all agree, the Amanda scenes in this show just seem so screwed up now. We're pushing to just have the editors remove all of her solo/one off scenes because we know how they're going to make us feel and it's really just unnecessary to keep watching her but we know we won't get our way so we'll complain here! Meanwhile, our favorite reality TV star of all time is wondering why Lindsay won't talk to her? Get a clue Danielle! We're enjoying the rest of the cast and while we're not dubbing Kenny a winner of a battle, we were mildly surprised he was seemingly able to hold his own. Oh, also, sorry Kyle that was really sad at the end. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Between the Summerhouse reunion and in the city, I feel like we're living in a fever dream right now. It's just like continuous nonstop, Amanda, Kyle, West Sierra, just on repeat. I know West and Sierra aren't on in the city, but it's such a continuation of that. It just feels like we're living in this alternate reality of reality TV right now. There's certain times that we live in these moments where it feels like everything is show-centric, love island that happens when we get in the midst of that. And this feels like it and Scandival are the three that I really remember where it's like my whole life right now is reality TV. Well, don't worry because next week we do get West and Sierra on screen with Amanda.

This was a little bit less Amanda. So it allowed us to kind of dig into it. I think I'm actually really enjoying all the new people. And I'm going to tell you why on the other side of the break. But I think I'm able to kind of put this aside and look at it as its own entity. Weirdly. great as there's a drive in a deep left field by castellanos it will be oh man it's 8 o'clock and so that'll make it a i don't need the spotlight i shine just fine hi i'm karma and yes i am a bitch brav bros

good evening everybody welcome back to another episode of brav bros your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen i'm your co-host steel russell joined as by In the Goots. What's up, dude? Wouldn't it be fun if we recap this and we were cheering for Amanda? I think it would be a good time. I think it would be a fun time. I know that we do this and we talk about this,

like what the other side of this whole thing would look like if West and Amanda, or, yeah, West and Amanda didn't hook up. It's so funny to me. It is glaringly funny to me. When she has her moments in this show alone with Kyle and when she's talking about Kyle and other people, you look at it so differently

and I have I've lost the plot I have no idea what I would think but I think it would be a fun exercise if we just completely turned to blind eye especially after recapping Summerhouse reunion last night if we just turned to blind eye and we're like dude good for Amanda

like she's really giving him the business that's exactly what I was thinking like that one scene in the closet I'm like yeah you don't owe him shit and then watching it now it's like go girl yeah exactly exactly and right now watching it it's like ew

boo yeah Ooh, tomato, tomato, you steak. It's so funny. It's like, I never saw this coming. Obviously, none of us did. That's why this hit so hard. But yeah, like the alternate reality in which none of this occurred in the city is a completely different show. Like, complete 180.

So it's kind of fun in like a fucked up way, I guess. But like, it's a perspective that we've been watching this show for years now, like a long time. You longer than me. But to have the opportunity to completely switch perspectives, like overnight is not something we get to do very often with these shows. It's usually methodical. We kind of know where we're going and what to expect. When this happens, I know it's, again, a fucked up situation, but it's exciting because we get to look at it from an entirely different angle that we never thought of before. And it's eye opening.

And then you have to go back to other things. Like, did we miss something with other people? because we completely missed the Kyle stuff. Could you imagine if we were just like a full on rage bait podcast at this point? It just took a manned this side for everything. And we had no explanation for it. Like we just didn't respond to any comments. That would be very fun for us.

I would have a really good time with that. But the show itself is a lot of fun. And I figured out exactly why it's fun and why this cast works so well already, like just out of the jump. It's because it's a show centered around Kyle and Lindsay's friends. Kyle and Lindsay are two of the most important figures on Summerhouse, two of the most polarizing, two of the most fun people on summer. Bravo.

Of course they're going to have messy friends in the city that are still in their 40s or late 30s, and they're still going to be very fun, and it's going to come through reality TV very well. This was just a slam dunk, I feel like in my opinion, and of course I'm going to eat those words in like five or six episodes when we've got nothing to talk about for some reason, and I already know who's going to derail the whole season. But everybody else seems like a great time. And even my questions about Kenny from last episode and in the beginning of this episode, he answered a lot of my questions Gavin answered a lot of questions. I didn't even know anything about him.

I don't even think I had questions for him yet, but he answered them up front and I always appreciate that. And then Lindsay and Kyle being the centerpieces of this show, and I feel like they're editing Amanda out a little bit, which is fantastic. Just keep doing that. I know people are going to want to do more and more, and that's what we were talking about earlier. If we had a different perspective on it, sure,

but it would actually be really sad. So I'm kind of happy that we have this perspective because it's almost like a shift over to good for Kyle, like good, man, you dodged a bullet. at the end of this episode was really tough to watch with him talking about my heart but absolutely like good for kyle at this point which is such a funny sentence to say in the grand scheme of things but i feel like the best thing that they can do for in the city is phase Amanda out and really focused more on kyle and linds you're already going to focus and bring karl into it and then that's pretty much it like i don't i don't see sierra actually ever joining this it doesn't

really seem like the type of show that she would fit in she's going to do other things she's going to go bigger and better of course she might be coming back to summer house maybe for one last stint. Who knows how that's going to work out. Mia, I feel like with thriving in the city as well. So if you want to bring her in, come on in. Everybody else, it just kind of seems to fit right now. And obviously we can move our parts as we need to as the seasons go on.

But if we phase Amanda out, I'm totally fine with that. We are oversaturated with Amanda content. And it's always the same shit. It's always like the direct correspondent to you talking about who you could be with down the line. And it's incredibly funny because you're talking about how Kyle has been so bad to you and all the things that you guys were fighting about over the years. I just need to find somebody who's going to be more my speed.

And then you get advice from somebody else, like Georgina chiming in like, you need to find somebody who's going to be more your speed, somebody who's going to want to do the things that you want to do. And she's like, yeah, that guy's going to be out there. And it's West. Like, it's a direct correlation immediately. You don't have to wonder. You don't have to guess who Amanda's going to hook up with.

And like a lot of people out there would be like, yeah, she's going to shoot yourself on the foot and find somebody similar to Kyle. We can immediately say it's less. And it's so funny in those moments. So I like those moments, but the rest of it, I don't really care what Amanda's doing day to day. I don't want to do the same thing over and over. No, I agree. And I would love if Sierra wanted to join the cast, but this is a cast of like dysfunctional marriages, apparently.

Yeah. And like I want her to thrive. And I don't think that she would thrive in that environment of like toxic couples. I want her to go do bigger and better things. She's doing a lot with Love Island. She had like three commercials during Summer House, which is fun awesome. So she's on the rise, which is what we want to see. We want the Ariana treatment, 100%.

And I want her to be so rich after this that she doesn't have to do TV. The reason she does TV is because she wants to do TV. That's where we want to be at the end of all of this. But I agree with you. I think that we have a great cast. They understand the assignment. That's the biggest thing with a new show, especially a brand new show like this, where it's a completely new format and everything.

You want them to understand what the goals are. We have that. They're getting engaged. They're saying, talking about their feelings, right? They're causing drama. They're not backing down from each other. It's kind of perfect. And I'm really excited to see where it goes.

With the Kenny stuff, it's so funny because I find myself somewhere in the middle of him and Lindsay with all of that shit going on. But love Gavin. I think he's great. He's really, really interesting. He owns a bunch of spots, which is fun because we have to pop around to his bars. Like, I love that. So it's just, it's a great time right now.

Georgina, I called it episode one. She's going to be a star. She's fucking fantastic TV. She's entertaining his shit. She's off the cuff. Love that. Yes, there is a glaringly obvious misfit amongst this group that, as you said, is the only reason that this show can get derailed.

Who secured her second season spot because she got pregnant? Yep, 100%. Oh, that was the word of the night last night, by the way, which 100 p. P. Pregnant? No, yes, pregnant. 100%. I think I said it like 20 times last night.

I was listening back. I was like, was there a watch what happens live. I was like, was there was. No, no, no, no. But let's jump in to this episode. We start out with Kyle and Amanda. And again, much different scene a year ago, right? Because we're watching this now and she's packing up her shit to leave.

Then they flash over to all the piles of shit in the house, which has been that way. That's not because she's packing to leave the home. That's how they live. the shower was full of clothes, almost to the top of the whole thing. So because we're no longer just staring at Kyle being like, wow, what a piece of shit husband you are, we're able to break it down more.

And when I look at all the piles of clothes, when I look at the state of everything, her packing up her stuff, now I'm thinking about Kyle. Now I'm thinking about all the things that Kyle has said over the years in reference to Amanda, being messy, being unmotivated, All of that starts to take a lot more credence.

There's a lot more credence to it because I'm no longer just trying to pit it on Kyle. Yeah. I mean, I obviously cackled with all the piles and piles of clothing and Kyle walking in saying, this is the most organized room in the house. I know. He wasn't saying because it was well organized. He was saying because the rest of it was an absolute trash heap. But I really wish that years ago when all of this came about that they focused more on this,

because I completely forgot that the Loverboy office was right next to the department. Oh, you did? I did not. I remember that. Kyle's literally taking his work home with it. I mean, his work is already home. He doesn't even have to take it home with him. So that I feel like should have been like a center focus for a lot of seasons while we were talking

about how Kyle is a working problem. And that's all he does. And even his mom says it later in the episode like, oh, wow, you're actually calling me during work day. That's bizarre. So going through all of this, again, we talked about it before. It's just, it has such a different feel. I still think we would have laughed a little bit because we would have focused

stayed on that comment during Summerhouse seasons where he was talking about how Amanda is just very messy and she just doesn't put her stuff away and we would have seen that and they still would have shown that because it's a direct correlation to where we were in Summer House. So we still would have laughed at that but the rest of the scene would have been completely different. Instead it's like oh God, like

the way she's talking about it, the way it ends is brutal, but the way she's talking about the separation and moving out, it's like yeah, you're doing the the gas lady thing of, I feel like you're more happy than I am about this whole thing. He's not. He's truly not. I mean, we've seen that since midway through the season when this whole separation

discussion started, you were the one who was getting the aha moment. You were the one who was thinking about what your life could be away from Kyle. Kyle was frantically spirally. I mean, he didn't know what to think about this whole thing. We go back to last week's episode of in the city when they're sitting down for their anniversary of dinner, which is still very bizarre to me. They're sitting down talking about the separation. You bring it up and he's again very distraught and feels like he's blindsided, which, argue whatever you want. There's no way that he can be blindsided by that.

I don't care what you think about Amanda. It doesn't matter. There's no way he should be blindsided by any of that. But Amanda moving out and immediately saying that he's going to be happy about this is so gaslighting. It's absolute gaslighting. So Kyle dumbfounded once again. And Amanda's like, well, you know, it's going to be good for us. I mean, you've kind of talked yourself into it.

Like what we're watching is a completely different thing with Amanda talking Kyle into it being better so that eventually you can get to the point where they can live. separate lives. I mean, that's where Amanda wants to go. But she's still holding on to like weird shit talking about, oh, yeah, what are you worried about me having a key for? I'm going to show up at 4 a.m. and wake you up just the same way that you did. It's like, oh, okay. Cool. That's, yeah, we haven't had that joke before. So like the way she's going about it is just achy. I agree. It made me feel really sad for Kyle because like you said, it has taken on gaslighting, which I hate. She's trying to shift it so that Kyle's the one that's driving this

separation. That's crazy because we've watched. If you're going to do all the things you've done over the past few years in regards to Kyle and your marriage and you finally pull the trigger to get separated, don't then put the onus on Kyle. He's just trying to make it through the day. No, he's not happy or in a good mood to watch his wife pack up her shit to leave your collective home. That's sad. He's trying to put on a brave face. He's trying to be cordial. He's trying to be cordial. He's trying to be polite. And one, you're not, you're not paying attention to him because that drives me fucking crazy. He's trying to give you props for this separation and saying, we did have to do something drastic. Like, you know, you took the lead here and I appreciate that. And we would have

just probably kept going down this, uh, playing the broken record thing like same shit, different day. So thank you for taking this head on. She's not letting him say that. She's like, where are these shoes? Where do I put these shoes? Oh, I'm going to get. issues in case they need to run away from you. Stop. Like this is sad and you're making light of it. It's not funny. Kyle is legit distraught.

He doesn't look good in this scene. He looks like his face is just whitewashed. Like he's panicking. And then you're going to try to make it feel like he's the one pushing this. And later on we're going to see it more. But it's 100% what you said. She's trying to make it feel like he wants to do this. I don't know if that's because.

she doesn't want the guilt of it. I don't know if this is how she's wired, where she just needs to push it off onto somebody else. But it's not fun. It's not nice. I feel so bad for Kyle. Yeah, I do too. He's just trying to go through all of the,

I guess he's checking boxes in a sense, but I feel like he's just kind of going through what they've done. And he even says, like I thought that I was basically just going to like, both of us were going to talk ourselves back into playing the broken record, just going back through the cycle and seeing if that worked again. Because clearly us going to, therapy didn't work. It's like, oh, okay. So that really didn't work. That actually probably made things

worse and accelerated, but it's still at the end of the day a good decision to separate because I'm not saying that West ruined your marriage. Your marriage was already ruined. You guys should have been separating, but handle it with a little bit more class, Amanda. Yeah, a little bit more care. You don't have to just, it's not funny and it's not a light topic. And you're trying to make it a topic and that's really annoying saying things like oh do you not want me here when he asks if you're keeping the key yeah who does that help who does that serve nobody yeah but we're going to talk more about it later because i really clocked her uh when we get to the bar at the end for that party there's a moment that i would really like to discuss but we get to lindsay

and gavin and they're at rockos which is another one of his spots this place looks awesome they've got the uh the basketball game they got pop shot yeah I looked like a lot of fun, but they've known each other for a lot of years. They met through Kyle. And they're talking about Kenny and that whole situation we saw where he was getting grilled about moving this girlfriend across the country with no ring. Now, this is where I find myself in the middle because, you know, Lindsay's saying he's treating me like a manhitter because I was taking the girl's perspective and trying to explain

to him what her perspective might be. but I also understand that she did give the third degree to a couple that has made the decision to move forward with this move. So she is digging and she is getting into something that she's not involved in. But at the same time, I understand where she's coming from. And also because of some of the things that Kenny says and how he moves, I'm like, eh, you seem like fuck boy. Yeah, it's weird that she's given you the third degree when she doesn't really know you. I understand where you're coming from, but I also understand where she's coming from.

You know what I mean? I understand where she's coming from because I've watched her on reality TV for 15 years or 12 years or whatever it's been. That's exactly what it is. That's really all it is. Otherwise, she really shouldn't have an opinion on this, but it's Lindsay and she's going to do that. And I'm completely okay with that. I've been okay with that. The way she starts off the conversation with Gavin was incredibly funny.

I don't really know Kenny that well. What do you think about this whole situation? I'm like, wait a minute. You just give him the third degree. and I, by the way, for Lindsay, that is not the third degree. That is like, aren't Burns like first degrees really bad? Third degree is the worst. It goes up.

Oh, it goes up. So it's not like murder charges. Okay. No, it's the opposite of murder. It's the opposite of murder. Murder. Oh, I haven't said that in a while. Yeah, you haven't said that in a while.

But either way, that was a very funny way to start the conversation because I didn't see it going the way it did when we go over to Kenny and his girlfriend talking about the whole thing that Gavin is actually in the mix. haven't seemed like such a happy go lucky kind of guy. I didn't even notice that he was involved in the third. He's a little messy. I think he's a little messy. I think he's a little messy.

And I think everybody on this show is a little messy. And that's absolutely perfect for me. That's what I want. That's exactly what I need from all of this. So the way that Lindsay's describing it. I'm like, nah, that's just part for the course for Lindsay. So I'm completely okay with that. But I did start thinking about how Kenny reacted to all of that.

The way that Kenny was so dumbfounded by the fact that Lindsay was even questioning in the first place and then was caught off guard. And now he's upset. now he's offended. I'm like, oh, no, I don't want to see any of that because that's just not how you're supposed to move. I agree that you guys are adults. And if your girlfriend decided that it was the best move to move to New York and you guys had a discussion about it, that's your own prerogative. But you should also be able to defend that situation to a stranger on a TV show and just say, we talked about it.

It's not that big of a deal. You know, you can keep your own, have your own reservations about whatever's going on. It doesn't really implicate us. It doesn't really bother us. So just go on with your own motives, whatever, do what you got to do. So I feel like that should have been more his approach, but I didn't see what he was going to be doing by the end of this episode. I was still a little worried that he wasn't going to be able to handle this.

And if you can't handle Lindsey Hubbard in episode one of the new show, you're never going to be able to handle her. And this is her just having a casual conversation. This to her is not a line of questioning. This is just how she talks. She just wants to know. She needs to know the answers and she needs to know them now. Yeah.

And, you know, Gavin does co-sign a little bit. And Gavin's the closest with Kenny. He's like, you know, what you're saying, he knows to be true. So he's trying to discredit you, which is also the vibe I got. But I agree with you. You should be able to, it's not even defending. It's answering questions. You should be able to answer.

Are they invasive ever so slightly? Yep. But they should be pretty easy to answer. Just, hey, we talked about it. We're excited. Okay, cool. No problem. But you didn't do that.

You got super defensive and weird about it. And then you talked about how your timeline leaves a lot to be designed. tired. And that's where I keep going back to. We'll talk about that more. But we jump over to Kenny and Whitney and the move in and they're talking about like the second bedroom and closets and all that stuff. He wants to be a guest room. Whatever. I hate the line. My apartment's virtual. That drove me up a fucking I don't even know what that means. I think it means like there's a keypad to get in. I'm sure you can control the lights with like phone. Oh, God. I actually thought that it was more douchebaggy. I thought it was going to be like, you know, I'm barely there.

So it's just kind of virtual at this point. Like that would stop to it's also or it's like it's my home office. It's my gym. Like it's everything. It's everything that I could need. But if it's just that, that's such a douchebaggy way to say that there's just technology in your apartment. Like congratulations, dude.

Everybody's got that stuff now. Yeah. So I think that's what he was referring to. But I guess Gavin used to pop in frequently and now obviously he can't do that because Whitney's moving in, which makes total sense. But Whitney went and. got pedicures with Danielle. She was like, it was really nice to get to know her.

But then we talk about Owen. And we get confirmation without firm confirmation. It is firm confirmation. You'll see what I mean. Because they started dating in April, but he's in the process of a divorce. It was amicable. But then she found out about Danielle, not as friendly anymore. When did that end?

And here's the line. And this is the smoking gun. told me you've been checked out of that relationship for a while. There was overlap. He cheated with you is what you're telling me because he said to you to get you to look up with him. Yeah, but things are really bad right now and like, you know, I don't see it going much further. But you hadn't had that conversation with your wife yet.

I don't believe. Or you guys are trying to figure things out. And then Danielle comes around. You're like, ooh, what's up? And you wanted to point. So things aren't going great. with the wifey, what's up? Yeah, and this is, I feel like, where

if Danielle wasn't previously on Summerhouse and we didn't have an understanding of who she was as a person, we'd probably be giving her, and by we, I just meet you and I, other people dropped in conclusions, but I think you and I would probably be giving her and Owen a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, but as soon as

as Kenny says that, as soon as Kenny says that, I mean, give me a fucking reason. Give me a grain of sand on a random beach and I will hate the hell out of Danielle. I went on a whole rant about her last week. I'm going to contain myself this week. But of course she did that. And of course she knew the whole time, I'm sure. And of course she was talking about having him put a baby in her, I'm sure, somewhere along the lines while he was still married because that's just what I

imagined Danielle was doing. So when we get to a little bit later and she's boy crazy, she is boy crazy. She's not only boy crazy. She's either rich guy crazy or Bravo celebrity crazy. I don't know what it is, but it's both. At most times it's both. And it is now both again with Owen. Oh, that's a good point, I guess, because now he's on TV. Interesting. And I agree. But Lindsay and Gavin, we go back over there, this was such an

unexpected, yet so enjoyable cameo for me. Because who's the chef at Rockos? It's fucking Robert, of all people. The funniest part is he walked on the screen, and I was like, I know that guy. Yep. I didn't remember his name. Didn't remember I knew him from. I was like,

who is? And then boom, it comes back. I was like, holy shit. But the way he talks about, which is funny because it's on camera and Danielle's going to see it. Yeah. I don't want to relive those moments. Like, don't even. I got to go. You're going to piss me off.

Well, I think that's, that's incredibly funny too, because I think one of the big issues and one of like the big cruxes in their relationship was the fact that Robert was traveling so much and he refused to move to New York. He refused to spend more time in New York with Danielle. That's, you know, underlined five times on my paper. But that was the whole thing. And that was, you know, I'm sure there were. other issues going on in their relationship.

It seems as much while we were watching them on Summer House. It didn't seem happy. They didn't seem very happy. I remember seeing him on Summer House very, very drunk and getting in the mix. And Danielle was not happy with that. Oh, yeah. And also, she was not happy with the fact that other people on the show and other people in that friend group really liked Robert and didn't really care for Danielle, if you

remember correctly. So I wanted to get a little more information out of him, but this is as much as I need, just knowing that he now has a permanent job in New York City and he's living there is enough for me to laugh. It was a great little drop-in. It's so unexpected. Lindsay's explaining the history between her and Danielle. And this is 100% true.

Like she just does something like once a year. Like something pops up. And now she's asking me to go get a coffee. But I'm in a different place in my life. I'm picky with who I give my energy to now, which is good. And I actually believe her when she says that. But when we get back to Kenny and Whitney, this is when he starts to dive into that pissed me off, that bummed me out, that upset me.

And he's going with the approach of, you know, it's wild to me that Danielle is dating a married guy, fair. And Lindsay had a baby after two months. That one, no, at least not for me, because the baby was the plan forever with Lindsay. And it just so happened that Turner wanted a kid too, and that worked out. So I'm not going to equate that to like the Danielle married thing and his situation, just because like she wanted that. That wasn't just, oh, I'm dating a guy.

Let me get pregnant really fast. Yeah. I'm okay with Kenny using that as ammo. Based on how he told his rounds a little bit later, I'm fully fine. It's not the same situation. It's not exactly lining up with her questioning why Whitney was moving to New York without a ring. But it's enough for me to say, okay, you actually have something here.

You're actually using something against Lindsay. So you can draw some parallels and enough people can probably find the similarities in the motives or whatever it may have been, you can do enough where you can say, all right, Kenny, that's a good enough comeback. So if he wants to go that route, I'm fine with that. But when he starts talking about Gavin, and this is where I got really confused because I completely forgot that Gavin was even there. And he wasn't really cracking jokes. But the more I think about it, yeah, I mean, that totally makes sense. If he was in your life to the point where he was just walking in your front door every day, now of a sudden you've got a serious girlfriend

that's living with you, he probably feels a little butt hurt. And he's probably got some weird feelings about that. He's a little bummed. He lost his buddy. I mean, it's kind of funny. have two guy friends who are buddies in their early 40s, but to each their own, I'll let them live for now until I have to ski with them later. But when Gavin gets involved, I'm like, yeah,

I kind of see what you're talking about. Maybe Gavin does feel some type of way. And as soon as somebody spoke up at a bar that he owns, when they're starting to question all the things that you're doing with your new relationship, he might want to get involved at least at the comic level. And that's what he was doing. But when they honed in on exactly what Gavin's comment was,

it was the fuck boy comment about the, the chart or whatever it was that we went over last week, the stages of grief that he was going through, finding out that Kenny's mom had cancer last fall and then passed away very quickly after that. And then he moved into this. And obviously he said him and Whitney were dating. And, you know,

they were a little on and on again, off again. After his mom passed, he sort of just severed ties, tried to figure his shit out, then ended up going back to Whitney. I'm okay with that. I mean, in a nutshell, that's totally fine behavior. But if Gavin wants to use that against him and make a joke about it, that's a little too soon.

That's a little too soon. It is a little too soon. It does raise questions for me about the timeline and inner workings of him and Whitney. Because I'm not going to say that, you know, that wasn't a part of his grief, right? Like if he went off the rails a little bit, it was just going out partying, all of that stuff. But it does sound to me like because he said, Oh, it's been a year, but like, you know, six months. Sounds to me like, I don't know if they officially called things off and he was out there doing his thing a little bit.

And again, not going to tell anybody how to grieve. You know, we can always go back to Gavin's comment of the, you know, what stage of grief is the fuckboy thing. I agree with you. Had we been like another year removed from it, that would probably be a lighter joke. It's kind of heavy in this moment. But I have no problems with Kenny in this scene. my question mark just remains on the start of their relationship, the inner workings of that,

which isn't that important because they're fine. You know, it's just more I'm curious about it. But overall, this is where I land in the middle of him and Lindsay, because I'm like, I get where you're coming from. You're using logic and we love logic around here.

I understand what that is. But I'm also okay with the light of questioning that Lindsay gave you because it wasn't that bad. No, it really, wasn't that bad. And again, I mean, I really don't care about the timeline of their relationship. There's still so no need. No, that's just a meeting. Yeah, I just want to see how they're going to operate. And obviously we see scenes from the rest of the season and it looks like things hit the rocks at some point. But that's going to happen on any reality show when you've got a fresh relationship. I mean, the timing.

If they had thought it through, it probably wouldn't have been the best idea. But I think that Whitney really wanted to be on the show and maybe Kenny wanted her on the show with him, whatever it may have been. the timing of this whole thing is very, very bizarre because the way that reality TV works with fresh relationships, a lot of things are going to come into question, especially when it was a long-distance relationship. So I don't really know where that's going to go, but I do think right now is probably the best time for us to just take a little ad break, and we'll get back to the rest of it. From the parents behind law and order comes a mystery the whole family can enjoy. Patrick Picklebottom Everyday Mysteries.

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But let's get to Lindsay and Georgina. And the kids are hanging Eloise and Gemma. We got baby lubitons, hammy downs, which is awesome. I love that sentence. I didn't know that was a thing. But I want them to have that stuff on this show because I feel like we're in an interesting place within the city. we have a chance to kind of combine the luxury of housewives to like a southern charm typey show which we don't really obviously in southern charm you have like Shep and there is some money

but it's not like grandiose apartments in the middle of the city I feel like we kind of have that with this and that's really fun I want to see that kind of shit I want babies to have louis batons I want all of that get them Louis Vuitton get them all of the tons but That was funny. Come on. You've done with all the tons. That was a good one. You didn't even laugh.

I completely agree with you. I mean, this is exactly what we wanted. And we've, we've done this before where we've compared it to the valley. The valley just seems like such a cluster fuck anymore that when we get over here, it's like, oh, yeah,

this is what the valley should have been. Rich people that we don't quite know that live in New York City in a place that we love when they film there because there's always a cool spot to go to. There's always good food to look at. And yeah, there's going to be a ton of drama. And they're rich. That's exactly what we want.

So I want to find out more. And they all seem to have like, I mean, obviously you've got Kenny who used to make all of his money at a hedge fund. But you also have Gavin who runs a bunch of restaurants that we're just going to stop in at. And if we go to Garrett's every single episode, I am totally fine with that. I love if we have like a local watering hole that we just kind of center around. It seems more like a sitcom at that point. It's great. I was going to say it's like friends, central perk.

Like we're just always going to meet here to decompress. We're always going to meet here when drama is going down. I love that we have a central place to go to. so I agree with you. But the more Georgina is on screen, the more I love Georgina. Because she's, her telling stories about her kids is fucking funny.

She's talking about them painting and her son painted as dick blue, which is fucking hysterical. But I was not aware that Lindsay and Turner were going through mediation. Maybe I missed that in Summerhouse. With everything else going on, I had no clue that it was like contentious in any way, shape, or form.

I don't even know if contentious is the right word because everything that we've heard is that they're working through it and it seems like it's not that difficult of a process, which honestly is kind of fucking funny given all the circumstances. But I think that it's sort of partly Lindsay has earned that right where she doesn't have to talk about it. I mean, where she was with Summerhouse for the last two seasons after her breakup with Carl, then she got pregnant. She was barely on the show last year.

She did a little couple drop-ins. She was on it a little bit more this summer, but she was just there to stir things up. She didn't have a personal storyline. She didn't have to share any of that. So I do think she kept a lot of that mediation stuff offline. But I do think she mentioned it before. I don't know if it was Summer House or even just last week because I kind of blank out by memory after a week.

And I think the way that she's described it has always been, yeah, we're going through it. We're trying to figure some things out. And we know for facts that the mediation before or while she was on Summerhouse rather, that Gemma was not allowed to be. shown and that was per turner. Correct. And she pushed hard to get her on in the city. Like that was a big thing. Yeah.

That was a big thing. And now we see Gemma in the first episode. It's sort of that first stone being turned over. We're like, all right, cool. We're moving in the right direction. Yeah, correct. But Georgina and her ex, she wants to have family time still. She wants her kids to see their dad, everyone to be together because it's either that or

I'm buying a voodoo doll and stabbing it in the back. So I think this is a much better idea to four. Of course, literally she says, force my ex to have family time or a voodoo doll. Great. Yeah. The lawyer said that we can't do that, unfortunately, though. That's a stipulation that we can't hold up to. Well, let's go back to Garrets.

We got Boys Night. I love, I think this is going to be a trope every episode, at least I hope it is. People wearing the same outfit because it's New York and these fits are so very New York, white pants, black shirts, NYC as fuck. I think the funny thing about that is that no one will ever match Kyle. because Kyle thinks that lover boy is going under. So he's making sure that he always has a lover boy in his hand. He's making sure he always has a lover boy t-shirt on every single scene that he said.

So no one's ever going to match with Kyle. No, but I will say the lover boy merch looks great. Like I've always liked their merch. And I forgot to mention, did you think it was interesting in the beginning when Kyle's like, do I have time to go run this over Amanda real quick? The hesitation from his team, they're like, yeah, okay. Do you think that's just because they had a deadline? Or do you think they're like, oh, God, not.

Amanda. I doubt there was a deadline. I mean, it's merch for a drinking company. I doubt that there's much of a deadline there to begin with. But I took it more as, and they showed the screen very briefly, like, oh, yeah, let's get Amanda. Or Kyle asked, can I get Amanda on on this one? And they flash over to a screen and it was just like kind of a spinning bar, which I don't think actually was there. I think production put that in post prod. But I think when they said, whoa, industry term. Yeah, industry terms. We're big now. I got the vibe that when he brought that up, that they know where him and Amanda are.

I mean, literally, their apartment is next door. So they know exactly where him and Amanda are. And they probably know that she's getting packing to move out. So they're like, yeah, I don't think we need to. Or we can read further into this and say that Amanda sucks at her job and she hasn't been showing up. So she's not doing anything. So they don't even want to check with her.

Maybe somewhere in the middle. I don't know. But I did clock that. That was interesting. But we get into the panel that we, witnessed in episode one. And Kenny's saying, you know, it's difficult to make friends when he try to introduce her to your friend group and Lindsay's giving her the third degree.

Gavin takes the approach, which is very funny because I think he feels guilty. He's like, ah, I knew you could take it. Like, I knew you would take. Come on. We're just goof it. We're just goofing here, man. Don't worry about it. But where Kenny starts to lose me is when he goes to the, like, she's just giving,

I hate men vibes. or she's just making comments about all the men and stuff like that. It's like, uh, no, I don't really, that's not really what she did. She was asking you pretty specific questions about this. So I don't think that's, he loses me every time that he goes to like the blanket statement of like, oh, she's like a man hater or this is just what she does because she doesn't like dudes. Like she's just coming after us no matter what. It's like, I don't love that one.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. And this whole episode, I feel like was just kind of building towards what is Kenny going to do. And the more that he talked about it, the less I actually had faith at him because he kept going back to the trope of the man hater. And I think he felt like he ate with that comment when he was talking about it last week. He definitely didn't because that, again, is not that bad when it comes to Lindsay. So I was really, really worried at this point that I know Lindsay and him are going to have a discussion and he is going to turtle. And he is going to not say a word and not going to be able to handle himself. So this was a very fun episode for me watching Kenny. I agree. But

the more he goes and talks about Lindsay's like you know she's got her crew she got her minions standing over there and like Gavin's still defending Lindsay which I I appreciated. I didn't know if he was going to kind of jump back and forth. Yeah. I didn't know if we had a flip flopper. It doesn't appear that we do. But checking in with the boys is just fucking comical because God's like, God, help, no, you're right.

You're totally right. And then Andre is like, you always protect your women. Okay, guys, thanks. No, I feel like my favorite part of that entire conversation because we get right into the Kyle and Amanda stuff right afterwards. It's just it was an appetizer talking about Kenny's issue with Lindsay because we know we have to talk about Kyle and Amanda. When we're talking about Kyle and Amanda and he's bringing them all up to speed like yeah, you know. How was your anniversary? I don't even know who asked him how was that anniversary dinner was, but that's such a funny question.

That was your anniversary dinner. It was great. I mean, we had some great food. We had some fried mozzarella with caviar. that was just fantastic. You know, everybody's putting caviar on stuff nowadays. Amanda told me that she wants to move out.

So she's, she's, for a month. She's been packing all week. I don't know if I'm more upset with her moving or the fact that not only is her shit usually everywhere, but now it's really everywhere, and I can't move around in the apartment.

I don't know what to do with that. When Andre is, is the quintessential going back to his first scene, when him and Lexi are sitting on the Cal for their confessional and he's talking about how he loves love and he just loves how everybody enjoys love and he just wants to be that person that's going to just celebrate love no matter what happens he is he gets down to it he is so true because he says well you know that's absolutely really tough and look i mean i'm on team kyle but you know i'm also on team amanda but i'm also on

team kyle and amanda i'm on everybody's team i mean this is what we're going to be doing here I want to make sure that everything works out. But if it doesn't work out, I still want to support you. But I also want to make sure that Amanda's good. It's like, dude, you didn't have to say anything. We already know where you work. Yeah, exactly. You could have just stayed silent and we would have just assumed that.

But I would much prefer the explanation because it's so Andrea coded. And just another reminder of how delightful this man is. I'm so happy he's on the screen. And the more I see of Lexi, the more I realize how perfect they are for each other. Like they are two peas in a pod and it's fucking awesome. But they're talking about this welcome to New York party that they're throwing for Whitney. And, you know, Kyle, again, has to do the thing of like, and this is interesting taking it back to earlier years in their relationship. Because, you know, she doesn't show up the thing.

She didn't go out with him. So for him to have to say again, kind of in defense of Amanda, like, you know, Amanda's kind of in a no new friend's face. It's like, yeah, that's a fucking weird. thing to say. I get the vibe right now. I don't know if he's doing this intentionally, but he's definitely doing it. He's nagging Amanda to the rest of the people in that show. Like he really is.

I mean, he's talking about it. And I expected him to have a certain level of woe is me with everybody else. And especially at a boys night, he's going to be woe as me because he wants all the guys to be on his side. And honestly, aside from Andrea, every guy in that room is going to be like, dude, I got your back until their wife or girlfriend says otherwise, they're going to have his back. But I get the. vibe that when he gets an opportunity to make a man to look worse, he's going to take it. Like he's going to start lashing out a little bit here and there.

And that's going to look so much different now versus what it could have looked like. It would have looked petty. It would have looked annoying. It's really funny too because we had a comment last week about whether or not. It was just a throwaway comment about whether or not it was petty. And neither of us really gave a shit about the back brand. We're like, it's just kind of funny overall. Yeah.

There were so many people saying it's not petty at all. if there were different circumstances and Amanda and West didn't boink, everybody would say that's fucked up that Kyle did that. So everybody needs to take a big hard look in the mirror and wonder what they're doing with their lives. Because we're not wrong. We didn't even really say anything about it. But that was the first comment that people wanted to jump on, which I think was very funny. It doesn't fucking matter.

It really doesn't. When it comes to Kyle and Amanda, it's already set in stone. They're not getting back together. I think it would be very funny if we sat here the entire time and said, they'll get back together. They'll be fine because we want a rage bait. That would be a great time for us, but we're not going to do that. That would be a really fun time now.

I might start doing that next episode. People will forget. But with Kyle, I do think he's going to have some digs here and here and there about Amanda. And it's going to be really funny now. But it wouldn't have been very funny six months ago. It would have been like, oh, dude, really? We're going this route.

That's a good point. But did you think that was a dig? I thought that was an attempt to defend. Oh, okay. No, I thought it was a dig. I took it differently. Interesting. Well, no new friends thing is crazy because we were talking about Whitney, not having friends in the city.

And immediately we see that her and Lexi are sitting down. And I think Kenny even said, yeah, Andrea, like, Lexi has been incredible. She's been breaching out. She's inviting her to do things. And then Kyle chimes in and goes, yeah, you know, Amanda's at a no new friend's face. So good luck with that one is what I got from that. Okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

But Lindsay and Yvonne are hanging out. And they're talking about the welcome to New York City party for Whitney. And I love that Yvonne's the friend that's like, come on, let's go get drinks. And Lindsay's like, I have a kid. She's like, oh, right, right, right. Hey, let's go grab dinner. I have a kid. Ah, yeah, sorry, my, right, right.

Let's go for a walk. I have a kid. Okay. Yeah, I'm not bad. But Lindsay's just shocked to be invited to this party, which this is not a big scene, but I wanted to mention that because already with a newbie. And I don't know if someone said to him like, hey, you need to invite the cast. Like, everyone needs to show up despite how you feel about somebody.

But it's huge that we are not. sequestering yet. Like if we have to sequester this early on in a show, that's problematic. We're not. We're going to face things head on. I was giving them props in the beginning of the episode for this reason. It's like, okay, great. Yeah, invite her. Even if you guys blow up at each other at the party, we need the whole cast there. So that was a big moment. It seems small, but for me, I was like, hell yeah, we're moving in the right direction. Yeah, that's the type of thing that we usually get stuck on, especially for a new show. We don't want to see that happen. But again, this just seems like such a good cast where they kind of get it.

It's like you can go to Georgina if you want to. Georgina has that it factor where it doesn't seem like there's ever going to be a moment where I'm not agreeing with Georgina. She just seems so authentic and true and very funny. But everybody else kind of understands their role. They understand where they have to be, even if that's inviting people. Like we're not, we shouldn't see that for a while. We should not see that really at all in the first season, but we shouldn't see it for a long time.

Correct. But we check in with Owen and Danielle again. and they're talking about wanting more space. This, to me, could have been a closet conversation. Like, I need more space in the house. This to me sounds like we need to move in together conversation to a different place and get our place. But I'm just always confused. And it's my fault for trying to understand the psyche of Danielle.

But she seems to not grasp that summer with Lindsay. Like, I still don't think she understands what those moments, looked like on TV, what they must have felt like for Lindsay. She's like, I'm just, I'm trying to share my life with her. Like, I miss her so much. It's like, well, then you shouldn't have been dogging her for having a kid the entire fucking summer. You shouldn't have been on her ass about Carl all the time.

Granted, Carl thing was a disaster, but we talk about it all the time at a certain point with grownups, if they're telling you they're going to do something, you have to let them go do it. You can tell them once, like, hey, I'm worried about this because of X, Y, and Z. If they're like, hey, I'm an adult. I'm going to keep going anyway. You have to just support them in whatever way you can. But you took every opportunity you could to question all of the biggest things that Lindsay's ever done.

These are not like, hey, I'm thinking about getting a new apartment. This is, hey, I'm about to get married. Hey, I'm going to have a child, life changing events that you felt the need to comment on. And not in a, hey, I'm your friend. I want to make sure you're good. It was more so you pretty much. calling her stupid to her face. Like, are you fucking serious?

How dumb could you be to do that? And when we look at the scenes like this, it's like, how do you not register like the gravity of what she did last year? It's not even just last year. I mean, it was three straight summers and who knows what the hell was going on in the city while they were still friends. There's so much to dig into. And it's so annoying.

And this is what Danielle does. She's playing the victim and acting like she's so confused as to why Lindsay's doing this. Like you said, it's like she doesn't remember any of it. or she thinks that what she was doing was correct. And I don't know which is worse, probably the latter. And I think that she's going to get there eventually. But the way that she operates is so stupid. You act like you know Lindsay so well.

We watched you for year after year. Whenever anybody got close to Lindsay, whether it was Paige, Amanda, Sierra, whoever, you always had that weird standoffish look over like, ah, yeah, that's my best friend. Don't get close to her. But now that you guys aren't friends and now that you're at odds and she's mad at you,

you're acting like you can't understand why she's mad at you. You're supposed to know her better than everybody else, or at least that's what you said for years. Now, when you had all of those opinions because you knew her better than she knew herself, now you don't understand why she's mad at you. It just doesn't make any fucking sense. It's just complete bullshit.

Yeah, agreed. And every time that these scenes happen, I'm like, this is where we could definitely have a downfall, not of the show, but just a derailment, if you will, because if you don't ever grasp it, then we have to do this every single time that you're talking about Lindsay, where you just go in circles of, I don't get it,

I don't get it. You should go back and watch that season. What was it? Two years ago, actually? She wasn't last year. Yeah, no, it was two years ago. Go back and watch the season. Or just watch this season because you'll see the clips

that they're going to play every time. Watch that season. Watch the season where her and Carl were getting engaged. Watch the season where her and Carl were dating the first time. It was three straight summers that she did it. And she doesn't seem to remember any of it. So I don't know. I've kind of talked to myself.

into we are going to have to endure just one season of Danielle so that Lindsay can either write the ship and get back to being friends with her and maybe that'll make it a little bit more tolerable or she can absolutely clock her and clean her out this entire season and then Danielle never comes back. I don't know which we're going to get. I hope it's the latter. I really do because that would make a lot of sense to me. But the fact that stands out to me the most is you could have just had Carl on instead of Danielle and Owen. That would have made so much more sense and it would have given the other co-host of the show, if you will, Kyle, a little bit more to lean on, a little bit more to talk about what he's going through with Amanda. Instead, it's like,

yeah, and I think the scenes hit a little bit because you get to see what Kyle's going through, but instead it's him talking to a bunch of guys that we haven't met yet that we haven't really gotten a liking to. But you could have just had that with Carl and then just kick Daniel with the curb. It just doesn't make sense. So if Lindsay has as much hiring, firing power as we thought that she did or a lot of people were talking about. Maybe she brought Danielle on to kind of hit that crossroad. Like, all right, we're either going to figure it out and be friends. Again, could make things a little bit more tolerable.

Or this is my opportunity to show her who's boss and I will kick her to the curb. I don't think she knows which way she wants to go yet. I honestly. That's the beauty of Lindsay, too. Like, she is a producer's dream. I think that she doesn't even know. And that's awesome and that's great for TV. We don't know.

I can't really read the tea leaves at this point, but we'll have to see where it goes. Agreed. And I do think that you're right as far as how Danielle sees the situation. I think she thinks she's right still. Like I was just looking out for my friend. That's all I was trying to do. But even when Kyle says to her, like, the beach was pretty harsh. I don't think that registers.

She's still walking around like so confused. I don't get it. All those years on reality TV and she still doesn't understand how cameras work. Fucking ludicrous. Well, let's get to the welcome to the city party. Amanda arrives without Kyle. and she starts talking about the fact that she told Kyle I'm moving out. This is what I was referencing earlier because of the tone in which she says it,

the setup, all of that. It sounds like she's again placing the blame on Kyle. That's all it's giving me because she's trying to give the whole, you know, we're finding some like space and you're going to date each other again and see each other, all that fun stuff. The way she says, he was nervous to say it,

but he took it well. It's like you're almost penalizing him for being agreeable. It's like you don't want him to get on board with things. Maybe it's like, I want you to fight for me, but that's not the vibe I'm getting. It just seems more so like I need to do whatever I can to make Kyle the villain. I need to put everything on Kyle always. I thought you were going to go for something else and it's so quick and it's so easy to like just lunge at. As soon as she walked in the room, as soon as she noticed that Kyle didn't walk over to her, she walks over and says,

Oh, what? You saw me, but you didn't want to come over and talk to me. That's another part of that. That happened right after that was the big thing for me. When she did that, I'm like, you're really going to make him feel bad because he didn't walk over and say he probably didn't see you. The way that Kyle's been operating since Summer House ended and the start of in the city started, he has been trying to talk to you.

He has been trying to make the marriage work from what we've seen anyway. I don't think he was actively avoiding you. I don't think he saw you walk in and wanted to see what you were going to do first. maybe there was a brief second of, is she going to walk right over to me and start talking to me, or is she going to make her rounds, which by the way, she walked in,

she knew Kyle was there and she made her fucking rounds. So, okay, I just know exactly what she's doing. She's trying to play both sides of, I need my space, I need to get out of here, but also I'm going to make you feel like shit at every turn.

Yes, exactly. And it's putting the onus on Kyle once again, because that happens a little bit later. And that was another moment where I'm like, what the hell is going on? you're trying to make him look bad for a situation where honestly he didn't need to go say hi to you you guys are in a weird spot right now half the time when he comes up to you especially in public

you blow him off so i understand that maybe his first instinct wasn't to go over maybe he's like you know let her get settled i'll have a drink and then i'll go over and say hi eventually yeah but she takes the opportunity to reprimand him like oh you're not going to say hi to me it's like what like you guys are separate there's a lot happening right now. We shouldn't be placing blame on that part of it. He may not, I don't think he saw you. This man's walking through fog right now.

You don't know what the fuck's going on. So I don't fault him for not saying hi, I fault you for making him feel bad because now he's going to second guess that and go, oh shit. If I had said hi, would that have been a step in the right direction? Would we maybe get back together just by me saying hi? He's going to spiral because you're coming up with these innocuous moments

that allegedly mean something to you. And they don't. It's not fair. There's enough happening. You guys have enough turmoil between the two of you to not get stuck on trivial things like that. And that's just kind of indicative of their marriage as a whole. It's like we derail so many conversations with little things.

I get the big things. They're pretty obvious. But this did not need a moment. And yet you took the time to give it a moment. And you talked to everybody around you before, Kyle came over dragging him going, he's not even saying hi to me, making him look like the bad guy. Yeah.

But we get to meet a couple people. Frank is in the bar. Frank is friends with Andrea. He owns a milk and dairy company, which you don't hear very often. He's a handsome milk. I bet you it's raw milk. It's 1,000% raw milk. And I wrote, and this is mean, this is mean.

But since you said, I wasn't going to say this part. but when he walked in, I was like, I bet he kind of, he kind of smells. He's got that, like mothballs maybe. He just gave out of a mothbally kind of look. And then when he says,

like dairy, I was going to say maybe it smells like that moment before milk turns to butter. That was, that was where I was leading because that he said, I own a milk and dairy company. I'm like, oh, well,

there you go. It all clicks. But that doesn't matter. What I will say is Andrea, likes this guy. He vouches for him. I trust Andrea. So if Andrea is bringing him into Lindsay's life, then I think he's going to be a good dude. Am I going to shoot myself in the foot? Probably, because that's what we do every time we're saying. He's probably fine. But he's there for Lindsay. Andrea's trying to set her up. Lindsay's smitten. She thinks this guy is smoking hot. She's all

flustered and everything. I love her line of, I'm drinking an espresso martina eating cheese. like I go to the bathroom and brush my teeth or something. But Danielle arrives. And even her approach in trying to approach Lindsay is wrong. Because you're doing it too casually as though you guys should be on a different level as you are right now or then you are right now. You're just pulling your hat over your face. Is this just like torture?

It is fucking torture because this is what she does. This is such bullshit. We've had discussions. You guys had a conversation and now she's going to act like, I had a really nice conversation with her where I invited her up for coffee. She doesn't fucking like you right now. And you want her to then, like you thought like, oh, Bridges meant it.

I invited her up for coffee. And she said, well, I'm really busy, but you know, I'll figure it out. She didn't say yes. So why do you think walking into a room, she's all of a sudden going to be like, oh my God, hey, Danielle, we should go grab coffee. Why do you think that? Like, it's just, I don't know. kissed her on the cheek.

It's such fucking bullshit. I don't know what she expects and she's just playing it up because she knows this is a moment. The only reason she's on this God forsaken show, which is a good show, but it's a godforsaken show because Danielle is involved. Every time that she shows up, she's going to make it a moment. She's going to make it a thing about her moment with Lindsay and she's going to try to drive this storyline. It doesn't need to be driven.

If it wants to be driven, Lindsay will drive that car wherever the hell she needs to go. but that's all that matters. You are not in the driver's seat. You just need to be along for the ride. And you should just be happy to fucking be here. Like, just be grateful that you're even on the goddamn shell. It drives me crazy too, because then we have to go to these confessionals where she's like, literally says like what?

Like, what? She stiffed me for coffee and now can't say two sentences. And it feels like I'm a stranger. When's the last time you guys talked? or hung out. Yeah. Like, you're not in a good place.

And this is why you're not having any movement. Because you're trying to go into it casually as though you guys should be in a better place. Why would you be in a better place? One, you wouldn't be in a better place with most people in this scenario. But you're also dealing with Lindsay, of all people. You should know.

You keep saying you know her better than everybody. You try to insert yourself in all of her business because you do know her so well, allegedly. So you should know. better than to assume that you guys are on good footing. Like, it's so obvious. And that's where I like bash my head against the wall. It's like, dude, this is so cut and dry as to why you're getting the cold shoulder.

And yet you can't fathom that she's not giving you a shot. Your last interaction sucked. We watched it on TV. I don't know what else to say. Get a hint. Yeah. She has a hint. She knows exactly what she's doing.

And that's the most annoying part. You're right, actually. And she's trying to set it up like, I'm doing my best. I'm trying. She's the monster. We're on her team. Everybody's on her team. I don't know anybody that's on your team in this thing.

But that's when you get Amanda saying that Kyle keeps walking right by me. And I just wrote in my notes. Like, why is everything negative as he comes out to say hi finally? Why don't you say hi to me? Like, everything's a fucking problem. I heard your voice behind me. I felt the vibrations in my chest of you talking. What does that even mean?

Like, are you saying that he's too. loud. That's what I just hated it. Everything's a dig. Every single sentence is just a subtle dig or a non-suttle dig at Kyle. And for what we've seen, right, between Summer House and this, obviously new perspectives on everything, it does appear that Kyle is trying. And he has that one line.

I don't know if it's later, we might have missed it, where he's talking about activities. You know, he's like, you know, I pickleball. I asked to do this. I asked to do that. Yeah. No matter what I ask, like she doesn't want to do anything with me. She doesn't want to hang out with me. So I'm sitting at home thinking.

Like, I think you did try. And did you do a lot to damage the marriage? Absolutely. 100%. For sure. Digging yourself out of a gigantic hole that you yourself caused. But I do think you were trying. And if we're going to look at this under the guise of, okay, Amanda, you wanted to figure

this out as you're saying, then you would allow him to make the effort. You're not even allowing him to try. And I get it's because you're checked out. But the problem now is, why are you checked out? Is it because the marriage was tanking or is because of that? And there's a nefarious man from St. Louis in your bedroom. Like, which one is it? Yeah.

Yeah. That's potentially the main thing. And I don't really understand it either. But I do think, and I think that we can confirm this pretty easily, that Amanda thought that she was going to get like the hero at it. She was going to get the cool at it. She was going to get very fun at it. She absolutely was. And I think that again, I think this would play out the same way.

Like we'd be seeing all the same instances. We'd be seeing all the same interactions between the two of them. We'd feel very differently about it. But I do think that the way Amanda was moving in this show in particular, especially after Summer House, after they had the big conversation on the doorstep, when she gets to in the city, it's like, okay, this is my moment. This is the time where I finally take control of my life and I don't let him ruin it anymore. And obviously, she's very conflicted about her feeling.

is going back and forth with do I really want to do this. Do I want to just keep going with what's safe and stay with Kyle because I understand that? Or do I want to do this whole new thing? And now she's stuck in the middle where she's making these comments to Kyle, but then also genuinely feeling upset that Kyle's not talking to her. So it's a little bit of both. And I feel like she thought that eventually everything would just shake loose and it would come out at the end and look a lot better. And obviously everybody's going to be on her side because of the way that Kyle was moving for the last seven years.

So I think that that's what she was banking. on and now that that has gone away completely and utterly there's nothing she can do i mean everything she does just looks bad at this point yeah it's crazy actually to think about where we've been and where we are now and watching her on screen it's so night and day from what we're used to but kyle and daniel have a convo kyle pulls her to the side to talk about this lindsay stuff and as kyle does like all he wants to do is get everybody to want to hang out with each other but he also knows how to do reality TV because he's been doing this for a long time. So he's saying like, look, just go up to her, talk to her, figure it out, hash it out one way or another,

which wouldn't work with Lindsay and he knows that. But Kyle tells her like, the beach was pretty harsh last year, right, from my perspective. But then he goes on the other side of things. Now she has all sorts of opinions about your behavior. So what he did there was justify Lindsay doing what she did so that he can't catch shit for telling Danielle because he's saying because of the beach, now she has all sorts of opinions about your behavior. I don't want to say slut. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah.

That was a little far. But boy crazy has come up. Like, oof. And the funny thing is we watched the clip of whatever he might be referring to. and maybe there's other things that we didn't see. Lindsay didn't say slut. I mean, she's still mad at her for what she did with Carl in the back of an Uber the first time they broke up. That's the one thing, not slut.

And the other thing is I haven't seen her say once at all she does is Chase Boy. She hasn't called her boy crazy. Kyle's just making shit up at this point. And I love that for Kyle because he doesn't care. And that's the best part is that he's been on reality TV for long enough. He knows what Danielle is. He knows how Lindsay and Danielle are going to kind of go back and forth. So who cares at the end of the day?

Like, let's just throw this shit out there. Danielle's tirade afterwards is wild. It's probably the first genuine thing that I think I've actually seen Danielle do in years. Well, how am I supposed to have a conversation with her now after you just told me that? I'm not going to talk to her. Good. That's perfect. That's actually a normal response.

You wouldn't want to talk to a person like that. So good. Way to be genuine. I agree. And it was just Kyle being messy. She's like, what do you think is going to come from that? He's like, whoa, whoa.

Don't shoot the messenger. I don't fucking know. What are you guys figuring out? It was a good moment. But Kenny and Lindsay. finally have a conversation and he immediately gets into it or sorry Lindsay's the one that leads it off I hear you felt grilled by me at the Garrett he's like you know grilling interrogation then you recruited people to come do it it's it's tough to to take a side like firmly take a side here

because again I see both sides she's like I was just asking because that's how you get to know somebody it's like okay yes but the questions you were asking is not like a normal let me get to know somebody kind of question it was you trying to and I know Lindsay was not well she's being messy because she's good at TV but I also know she's genuinely trying to get Whitney's back like she's a girl's girl at the end of the day and she's like I want to make sure that she's not going to get burned by you after she moves across the country so his approach he loses me because he tries to make it about her entire personality like this is just how you are drama drama I hate

men. It's like, ah, that's not a great approach because you don't know her that well. All you've heard are stories. And then you have this one interaction with her. You can press her a little bit, but the minute that you go to blanket statements, you lose me. Yeah. No, I totally get it. But for a first interaction, for a first argument with somebody like Lindsay, I had no faith in this man to be able to carry at all. I thought you got a pretty good job. I don't want to, I don't want to pick sides. You can't make me pick sides. I'm not going to pick sides. Obviously, I'm airing towards Lindsay, but I'm more impressed the fact that Kenny was able to seemingly hold his own. I still think Lindsay walked away with W on this one, but I do think that he held

his own enough. It got Lindsay to a point where she actually didn't have anything to say after he was saying, what do you mean you're not dramatic? You're fighting with me at the middle of my girlfriends coming to New York party in the middle of a bar. So yes, you are dramatic. Well, I mean, come on, you're fighting with me. It's like, ah, no, no, no. I think he actually got you on that one. Once he starts breaking out all the things, again, that's why I started getting worried in the beginning because he was talking about being like a man hater again. And I'm like, dude, you can't keep doing that. But once he starts moving on to other things, like, well, why do you have such a big problem with me and her moving in together after so much time? We were together for six months, but we were together for a year.

It doesn't really matter. You got pregnant after two months knowing a guy. And you were engaged before that. So maybe there's something about timelines that you're a little fucked up about. That was enough for me to be like, all right, again, you know, apples and pears, apples and oranges, whatever you want to say. Apples and pears. Yeah, apples and pairs. I wanted to make it a little closer, you know.

I like that. Yeah. Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Apples and pairs, it is. I think that that's okay.

It's not a direct line. It's not a complete parallel to what's going on. It's not like she was also dating somebody and moved in with them very quickly. But it's enough to at least get us talking about it. And it's enough to say maybe I've got a little bit more faith in Kenny moving forward. Yeah. And it was a good back and forth, all things considered. And I agree.

You have big question marks when you come into new. shows with new cast members, can they hang, especially with the likes of Lindsay. Like, she's one of the heaviest hitters on Bravo. And he did. He did fine. And again, I'm not like anti-Kennie at all. And I see where he's, he did enough that it's like, okay, I get where you're coming from. That makes sense.

Lindsay does enough from. I'm like, I understand where you're coming from as well. Whitney, the outlier in this whole thing, because this all centers around her. And we haven't really heard from her about this whole thing yet. and she's talking to Amanda. And I would understand, you know, you don't know this woman and she's talking about your relationship and having an opinion on it. And you would think that that's kind of shady.

Amanda's like she's a girl's girl. Like she's just looking out for you, which is true. Like she is just looking out for you. Is she trying to take a dig at a potential fuck boy in the process? Yes. Is it her business? No. But she really is trying to stand up for you.

And I wonder how Whitney's going. going to take that. I wonder if she's going to be like, I appreciate it, but butt out, or if she's going to be friendly, like, get the fuck out of my relationship. I think it's going to be more of a gray area, at least for a little while, because she doesn't know Lindsay. I mean, we haven't seen much of an interaction between the two of them. I think we'll probably dig deeper into that where Lindsay and Whitney will sit down or they'll meet probably Garrets and they'll probably have a one on one. And then we'll have a little better of a feeling of where Whitney lies with all of that. But I do think that eventually what's

going to happen is Kenny's going to do something a little fucked up or say something a little fucked up in front of everybody. And then everybody's going to start jumping into it and be like, well, maybe Lindsay was right. And that's going to get in Whitney's head. That's absolutely. Oh, that will happen. That's a great call because he's going to not get cold. They're going to have a bad moment.

And it's going to get rocky. And 100% she's going to be like, shit, maybe Lindsay called this. She'll be like, do all of the lights in the apartment have to be controlled by Amazon? Can I just have one lamp? No, it's a virtual apartment. but we're not changing anything. Then all of a sudden, she's going to be thinking about what Lindsay said.

Like, maybe I shouldn't have done this without a ring. Yeah, it sounds pretty douchy when he keeps telling me about his virtual apartment. Yeah. But you a sim? That's so dumb.

Thank you. Oh, boy. Well, Amanda and Lindsay are apartment hunting, which is kind of weird. Like, this is kind of weird to watch. And I get we're going to get a lot of this season. But even their shit, side just watching her going out on her own is very strange and she's never lived by herself i will say

this because of everything going on like everything kind of bothers me now yeah sitting on the confessional couch uh like crisscross applesauce bothered me like i don't know why like how you're annoying like all of her scenes unless they're kyle centric really bother me like i don't care i don't want to know and i know that's probably an unpopular opinion because everybody wants more and more content that really like read into it and be like Sherlock Magoutz who's now apparently famous on YouTube. Yeah, that was awesome. But yeah, like everybody wants to put their detective hat on and really read into situations.

Like, yes, I do want to as gross as it's going to be. I want to see the scene with her West and Sierra next week. But if it's just Amanda doing single girl shit, I truly don't care. So please, if anybody's listening that does the production for this, cut those scenes now. I don't care. Nobody wants to see them. I agree. They bother me.

But this line stood out because she says, I want to be with someone who adores me. That was a direct quote for West. And you cannot convince me otherwise. And it's interesting because as we're watching this show, we know the timeline roughly. I'm assuming this is somewhere in August because it's after the summer house. It is in September. So that's almost even worse because we have that picture of her out with West on the 25th of September. So when you say, I want someone that adores me, that's a direct line to West.

That's what you're saying because West adores you. And now you're speaking in actualities. This is not like a reference to some general dude you're going to meet in the future. This is the guy that is currently adoring you is at least why. I took from it something similar, but even funnier. You're talking about West and boy, oh boy, does he not adore you? He's going to move on very quickly. So you think you found him that guy, but you certainly didn't.

Nope, nope. And she found out a lot at the reunion. She didn't know either. Her face when he said some things was fucking hysterical. You just saw her just go, what? What? What? What?

What? But let's get to the saddest scene of the episode. The saddest scene I've seen in a long time, actually. This was rough. And this was real. Like this is one of those where it's like, ah, maybe we shouldn't be seeing this,

but I also do want to see this, which makes me feel dirty. But it's Kyle FaceTiming his mom. And he has not told her about the separation yet. So he's talking about the summer overall. It was pretty rough. And this is the pickleball line. We've been in this place before,

even if we had a good summer. And this is what we talked about. I don't know if it was last week or a couple of weeks ago, where we talked about, about why summer's so important to Kyle. And my theory was summer's important to Kyle because when they're in the city, they live separate lives. They're not together.

She's forced to be near him in the summer house. So he sees that as his grand opportunity to win her back. That's why every summer there's so much emphasis on trying to get his relationship better because he doesn't have the chance to do it in the city. When he said this, it confirmed what we thought because he's like the second we get back, even if we have a good summer. And that's a big line. Even if it's a good summer,

we slip into us living two separate lives. Like I do pickleball. I want to go traveling. Like she just wants to go shopping. And mom's like, oh, you married me. He's like,

that's weird, mom, which was very funny. Very funny. But he does bring up the separation. And he is, again, this isn't,

he's not taking digs. He's like, she needs a fresh, clean start. I guess he did take a dig. And I need to feel like I can walk into my home and it's not cluttered and stressful like my life. fair and that again we're seeing those little moments those little quotes and it's like in the past

we probably would have swept that one under the rug like yeah whatever she's messy get over it now it's like okay you just said two things one you have tried you've tried pickleball you've tried traveling you're trying to come up with things to do together so that you can try to fix your marriage again Amanda if you're still here after all this time, you guys hadn't been separated and you want to try, quote, unquote, I don't believe you because he has tried. And I firmly believe that Kyle had tried to save that marriage. And if she was actually wanting to save that marriage, she would have tried as well. Again, I'm not taking away from the fact that Kyle's the one that burned their marriage to

the ground in a lot of ways. But we are getting the other side now where it's like, was this just a fruitless effort always where he's just talking to a wall because she was so checked out, but she was too afraid to leave him because that's the vibe it gives. That's absolutely the vibe that it gives. Now, again, I mean, in a nutshell, the way that he was operating over the last six, seven seasons, whatever it may have been, it's too little too late. For sure. I mean, I still obviously feel really bad for him because watching something like this is

something that we always talk about. You shouldn't be privy to moments like this. This should be a private moment between you and your mom, but instead you're letting us in. I don't know how to feel about that. I'm very conflicted. I don't like watching people be sad. But he was very sad. And that was very genuine.

But when he's going through all of that, I mean, at the same time, like, hey, Amanda, all you want. I do get the vibe that it was a little too, little too late. And yet, like you said, like he values the summer because it's the time that they have to spend together. I would imagine that just started the last couple of summers. I don't think that that's been his thought process for the last seven or eight days. I wonder if he could go back and see it, honestly. I doubt it because the further you go back, the worse he actually gets. but I think it somewhere along the lines when things got a little bit messier,

he did start to be with that way, but it really ramped up when he started DJing, when he started traveling a lot more in the off season and then he was coming back and they obviously had to film. Then he was there for the summer. And he was probably deluding himself to thinking, wow, this is going to be the best summer ever because me and Amanda are going to be together. She was already checked out.

Like she's been checked out for two years. She just didn't have the courage or the heart or maybe even the thought to move on with her life. She probably just kind of convinced herself that she had to stay regardless. us. So as sad as it is, there's obvious things that you can point out and be like, all right, this wasn't your mentality the whole time in your relationship. And maybe if it was, you guys would still be together and we wouldn't be in this mess. But I do think even going back as far as the beginning of their relationship, like, yeah, there were obvious faults that they just

never worked on. So it seems a little unfair to, as weird as it is to say, it seems a little unfair to put all of it on Amanda, be like, well, she wasn't trying. Like, I think that he could have tried so many different times and then he just tried too little too late. I agree. I wasn't saying it's all on Amanda. No, I know. To clarify, I do think it's just surprising because we thought it was all on Kyle. And now we're learning that it wasn't 100% Kyle.

It did turn a little bit. Yeah. And we talked about that on our summer house recaps as well. I mean, when we get into it, just the things that happened this season. Like, yes, obviously things shifted once Amanda and West started hooking up. But it was already starting to eke closer to that 50-50. and it wasn't really that close, but it was a lot closer than we ever imagined it getting.

I mean, it was like 90-10 at one point, and it probably bumped up all the way to like 35% of Amanda's fault. And that was as far as we ever thought we would get. Now, obviously, we could say it's 100% of Amanda's fault because it's a lot more fun to say. But it was getting a lot closer. I mean, the way that those summers went on and on,

if they didn't get separated, we might be sitting here next year and be like, well, why are they even still together? Why is Amanda still want to be there? Why is Kyle still want to be there the way Amanda's moving? It doesn't make any sense. we've always said why is Amanda still with Kyle? But we could have gotten to the point of why is Kyle still with Amanda?

And that's very funny to look, just to kind of think about. Yeah, what a journey we've been on. But mom finds out about the separation. And she's like, we know you guys have been unhappy for a while. She starts crying. And it's like such genuine painful tears that I felt so bad. I got choked up in this scene. And she just says, when she said, I feel so sad.

I felt that through the screen. I was like, I know you do. And this fucking sucks. And I'm so sorry, you guys are going through this. But Kyle, you know, brings up,

it's just in the heat of the moment. She'll say things like, oh, you wasted 10 years of my life. And I've tried to make it work. And mom comes up with a little nugget, which is kind of, kind of bittersweet because she's like,

well, look, your dad had 10 years of marriage. And he had two kids involved. And he knows what feeling stuck is. And it was really hard to leave, but it gave a chance for me to find him and look at us now. So it's like a glimmer of hope, but it is layered with like it still is going to fucking suck. Yeah.

But there is light at the end of the tunnel kind of vibes. Yeah. The montage of Kyle and Amanda was so fucking sad. Like that was really. Oh, see, I thought it was. I didn't find it sad. You didn't? I did.

It's like they had a life, a whole life together. I, I don't know. That part didn't really get me. The part with him and his mom absolutely got me. But watching him and his, him and a man's his life together. I'm like, yeah. The only, my only takeaway was,

oh, yeah, man, I had that stupid ass fucking nose ring for a while. That was dumb. The important things. Yeah, the important things. That's what I noticed. Oh, well, let's get to some questions. Ah, here we go. Janice Ingram 360.

What does Danielle expect from Lindsay? don't like her being back on my TV. I agree with that. Yeah, it's very confusing. We don't really get it either. Yeah, no, we don't. What else? Hi, I'm Casey.

Shoot, am I going to have to be mad at Lindsay again? No, absolutely not. I don't know. Are you like a Kenny fan, Casey? I don't know what's going on. Yeah, big team Kenny. Wait, are you a Danielle fan? Please don't.

Perhaps. This is not the show for you if you're Daniel fan. Casey, you need to respond to our next round of questions and let us know if you are a Danielle fan. I'm messaging right away and I'm just going to say why. Oh, there you go. You need clarification.

Anyway, so Casey be on the lookout. If you don't see that, I'm sure she'll see it right away. And we'll get a clarification over the end of the episode. Let's go on the Jules. Oh, okay. You go ahead. No, no, you got me excited.

Oh, I'll get you excited. Maria D. Hugh. Why is Danielle? Every episode, please ask me. I don't know. I have no idea. There's a lot. of Danielle questions or statements in here.

This is actually a really good point. From Dilla Dei Annira, Amanda shaming Danielle's relationship to a separated man hits different post-reunion, doesn't it? Doesn't it, though? Uh-huh. Crazy work. It's crazy work. I don't think that she sees parallels and things.

I really don't. I don't think she thinks that deeply in. I think she just comes up with an answer that makes her feel good about herself, and that's the answer. Yeah. The jewelster. Has Amanda always been this? I'll read it again.

The jewelster. Has Amanda always been this whining? I hear her voice and turn down the volume. Yes. Yes. She has. But I think that again, we've been all viewing this show

through the lens of Kyle is the fucking problem. So you probably gave it a pass or you didn't lock in on it. A lot of things are popping up now. Like I said, just the way she said, and this is a me thing, I get it. but the way she sits on the confessional couch. I'm like, for whatever reason,

that bothers me. That's going to bother me moving forward. I hadn't, yeah, sorry. Yeah, you will now. That's okay.

I like this one. From Marissa A, or I have no idea how to say this. Marissa Luffrey, a love free. I don't know. Not a question. Danielle is the worst.

So I know how to say not. Alfrey? Yeah, maybe. All free. There's another A in there and it was kind of bothering me. But yeah, of question. Danielle is the worst. Yeah, I, I appreciate that. JJ, Borja, why? Now, that is the

shorter version of why is Danielle. I imagine that it would also be, oh, it's because I use the picture of Danielle. So yes, I see what you're doing, JJ. That's okay. That is allowed on this show. If I use a picture of Danielle, you're allowed to say something about it. That's good prop work. Well done, JJ. Uh, B man, man, Grame 0727. Does Danielle lack self-awareness? She doesn't realize she does the most. I mean, you know she does. You see it. She knows she does. five. Yeah. So, yes, she does lack self-awareness.

I'm starting to sound like a broker record here, but from Dilla De Nira, is Danielle an emotional slash energy vampire? Yes. Yeah, I mean, you watch the scenes that she's in, and it does, it always takes a pretty significant left turn.

It's just like, you could be having fun, or it could be a serious scene. She tries to take over conversations. And that's why it's so noticeable, because it's not adding or contributing to what's currently going on. It's trying to pull the attention to her every time. That's why it's so obvious.

Ah, here you go. Janice Ingram 360. Amanda wants to be with someone who adores her. Well, honey, your picker is off. That was alluding to West 100%. And yes, West does not adore her. You are correct, Janice. from I'll get off the beaten path here from Sarah Guy 2021 Gavin good vibes but Kenny bad vibes

I just like the way that that was Kenny doesn't give me great vibes I'll be honest he doesn't no he really doesn't Gavin does give me good vibes he seems like the kind of shits there are an instigator that we need on a show like this Kenny I I was happy and I'm proud that he was able to hold his own at least whatever his own is worth against Lindsay but overall I don't really get great vibes or one. No. It's his tone, maybe. I don't, I don't really know what it is yet, but there's something about him where I'm just like, I don't know about you. I got my eye on you, Kenny. Yeah.

One more. We got Ashley in 95. Do you think it's weird how much Danielle still wants to be Lindsay's friend? Yes, I don't get it. I don't understand. Because if you really did, then you would know how to approach the situation. You would go up to her hat and hand and go, I'm so sorry, I had so many opinions about your life. It's because I love you, but I shouldn't have overstepped. And then maybe you can have that cup of coffee and see where things go. But you're going up and kissing her on the cheek, like all as well, but nothing's been accomplished.

There's been no forward momentum and yet you want things to go back because you want to share your life with her. Like you just, you jump to these grand statements when you haven't done like the bare minimum. It doesn't make any sense. Yep. Yeah. That's how it is. But, yeah, that's all I got.

You got anything else? Nope. All good here. Well, that's our show. Rob Bros are out of here. For eight years, we've been asking the same question over and over again. How did this happen? My name's Mandy, and I'm Melissa, and we're the host of Moms and Mysteries, the True Crime podcast with over 55 million downloads.

We're two Florida moms who are obsessed with mysteries. Each week we do deep dives into fascinating true crime stories. We cover everything from infamous cases like Casey Anthony to the bizarre and complex crimes right here in our home state, like the shocking murder of FSU professor Dan Markell. We bring you the facts, but with warmth and width you'd only get from two friends who have been hooked on mysteries since childhood. Join us for new episodes of Moms and Mysteries every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen to Moms and Mysteries on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. There are vampires out there. They walk among you, shoulder to shoulder in the dark. Heading to work, heading home, going to the bar. It's a life just like anyone else's.

And I have grown used to it. To the darkness, to the moon, to the taste of blood on my tongue. But vampires are dying out. We are a fading kind. And I am the first one created in so long. And that is a dangerous thing to be. Those who came before me, elders of all stripes, they do not want to see our kind gone. and they will do anything to keep their power. And for myself, and for grace who created me, that is a sword that hangs above our heads. And the worst person of all carries our secret, and he will use it however he sees fit.

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