Bros & Shows - In Mary we Trust as Meredith BASHES Brittani (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

What's up Bros? Lot's to unpack here. Firstly, this episode, this season, rocks. Now we get to the mystery of the unfilmed flight. After departing the yacht, things are tense. Brittani and Meredith are butting heads, Meredith throws the unicorn from the boat. The one thing we can say for sure, is that the Below Deck crew is thrilled that they're off the boat. Now onto the plane. It appears that we can confirm Meredith lost her mind in flight. Where the discrepancies lie... what was actually done or said? Was Lisa involved? How long did this go on for? The only person we deem trustworthy on the matter is Mary. Until she divulges more information, its hard to say who is telling the truth or what the truth even is! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good evening everybody Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows I'm your co-host Neil Russell joined as always by the one and only

Be Looter Magouter What's up, dude? Below down. You are loved. Oh, I was just, I was going to do it, Jared Osman. So I'm really interested

in recapping this episode. I, even texted you. I wonder if we're going to be on the same page. I had a weird vibe. I don't know. But I've got a lot of thoughts about all the shit transpired, mostly in the second half of this episode. But geez, what a great time. It's maybe a two-parter. I don't even know. And after, no, I don't, it's just going to, we're really going to get into a discussion about it. But I, I'm so excited not only for what just transpired and what's going to happen moving forward, but also the fact that we did get full confirmation that this will be on the

below deck so we will get below deck down under in a couple of months whenever that drops and we'll be able to get the other side of things that's going to be unbelievable and those are we're going to come out of below deck retirement i'll tell you what oh yeah we're definitely going to watch those and recap those that's going to be a blast i think there's three there's three episodes featuring the salt lake housewives it's going to be a lot they're going to be electric that cast that they have on that boat we've dipped our toe here and there in the below deck world enough to the yeah you got ben chef ben is back which is awesome daisy fucking rocks captain jason's the man it's a good boat i'm excited for that as you guys know we love below deck it's just it's tough

to cover but stoked for that to come around and i agree with you now i don't want to i don't want you to reveal where we might differ i'll do it when we get there yeah i just want to know if it's in regards i want to know what situation it's in regards to is it the brittany situation plane with narrative plane okay all right all right i'm curious to see where you land yeah come on no pun intended hey now not gonna be a water landing i'll tell you that yeah it's not going to be a water landing i'll tell you that let's not sully i think that's like our fourth sully shout out over the years randomly i feel like we bring him up every every so often what a guy Big Evanescence fan.

Big Evanescence fan? Oh, yeah. Sully's a big Evidence fan? Oh, you haven't watched the rehearsal. Never mind. Sorry. Oh, I haven't seen that. Yeah, no. I haven't seen that one.

I want to watch it with Nathan Fielder. Yep. Yeah, I've heard amazing things. Haven't gotten into it yet. Maybe it's time. Maybe this is my sign. All right. And up Dilly Dally, we have so much to talk about in such a short period of time.

This was a very packed 54-minute episode. Every minute counts. everything was something this is this franchise is unmatched it is just remarkable to watch but we start out with yoga with captain jason who's leading the the yoga which i i love that just because you know there's going to be jokes heather which has a different air to it now she's making sex jokes obviously like i can't wait for downward dog and bend over whatever the fuck she was outed by captain jason did you see that oh jason confirmed very politely because he's a gentleman and a scholar he just said no we didn't so they didn't canoodle no which there was no canoodling

going on there i think that uh hether was trying to do a little tongue and cheek like oh yeah maybe we did just kind of throw it out there especially knowing with bravo kind coming up it could be a good topic no it didn't happen we we kind of figured that but uh yeah didn't happen and I guess it's kind of funny to watch it now. I was in the middle of laughing at the fact that Brittany just didn't get a yoga mat. But at least she was still doing it, though. I was actually impressed. She's such a fucking hot mess, too.

She still has like all of her zombie stuff on, like the makeup. I honestly forgot that last week was zombie week. I mean, I've had, I did too. I was like, I thought it was tattoos. And I'm like, what kind of dumb ass tattoos are you rocking? Like, where are this come from? Didn't see anything like that? no she still has the bite marks i believe that's what it was the night before but she still got

them all over her body did not bother to take i guess maybe you don't want to shower before you go yoga but like i don't know it's vacation who cares you know i never shower on vacation ever no matter what or no matter how long it is unbathed that's not true at all free water in the hotel i shower all the time uh but brittney is talking during the whole yoga thing and she says that she feels like she's been disproportionately piled on here's my take there does seem to be a difference like i don't think it's disproportionate as far as everyone's kind of getting it especially lisa if you think this is disproportionate on you like she's got smoked the difference is brittneys is like it's getting to a point it really obviously reaches a point

later maybe i don't know where you stand but it's not the same like she's such an easy target that at some point in my head you got to chuck it up to like look we know who she is we know what she's about she's wacky she's off the cuff we can't just keep shitting on her all the time because then it turns into a belittling and i don't have a belittling no it's it shouldn't be that far now if she gets involved in other people's shit sure then yes it's it's a free reign go for it do whatever you want to a certain extent of course you know we don't want to see too much but if she's involved in somebody else's shit and she's trying to call somebody else out or bringing up things that she saw about other

people you have to expect to get shit on i mean you get shit on anyway but you have to expect it to ramp up a little bit so i don't think in especially on this fucking trip you can say that it's disproportionate we've been going after lisa we've been going after lisa since day one she's just been getting it the entire time you don't get to say that here but that just kind of speaks to the well-being the mental capacity of brittany that she doesn't realize what's going on she doesn't even realize that they're going after lisa that hard she thinks that's just part for the course and she's only caught up in her own ship which again aligns exactly with who i think brittany is yeah and in this moment and i was distinguishing intentionally

because in this moment you brought up cheating allegations against Meredith last night against her husband like you can't expect a warm welcome after that so no that wasn't a disproportionate pile on you brought up an affair allegedly via TikTok so again like could you look at the overall trip you were poked and prodded you got to a you reached your limit with Meredith maybe I don't like I'm not upset that she brought that up like I'm not like whoa too far to me I was like, all right, fair game. She threw it out there. But when you get the clap back and the reaction, you can't then crawl into a hole and be like, where do that come from? It's like, I think it's a huge, huge problem that she immediately paints it as I was trying to be helpful.

Yeah, that's not. I was trying to be a good friend. You're not. You just simply aren't. And we already heard about what you were talking about in the dressing room from Bronwyn talking about Meredith. You and Meredith aren't friends. And that's mutual. That's not just you not being friends with Meredith or vice versa. You guys don't really like each other. So don't try to paint this as I was trying to help. You were being shady. So that's not going to work on anyone.

It's not going to work on the viewers. Everybody knows exactly what you were doing. And you got caught doing it. And by the way, not that I expected her to be like precise or come up with this in a good way, it was clumsy. You didn't really have anything to back it up. You just talked about a TikTok that you saw. And then you had nothing prepared afterwards when you knew that you were going to get that

smoke right afterwards. No, she didn't have anything. You think that she didn't have anything. See, that's the other thing. We can't even put her in the same box as other housewives trying to do shady shit because they at least know that it's going to come back. You're right. She probably didn't even know it was going to blow back on her.

Nope. When she gets the backlash, she's like, whoa, what the fuck? What is the crazy thing? The crazy thing is in the brain of Britney Bateman, she might have been being a friend. She might have, if she genuinely thought that, I would believe it. Like, all right, yeah, in some weird world. you live in like that somehow to you is like good friend to bring up a potential affair on a TV show but you know do you I guess she's look she's interesting because

people will clearly have different stances on this as far as she goes and her involvement with things but you cannot deny that she is gold like she is good TV she's wacky and weird but she's good TV yeah but meanwhile Meredith and Lisa are in their bunk talking shit shocker and Whitney catches astray so they call and this is what I'm talking about with Brittany like you know who's the one without a brain like all tin man like the more you can't keep calling people stupid like that's not fun in my head also wasn't scarecrow the scarecrow is if I only brain no scarecrow is violin brain do do do do do do do yeah so the guy at least Lisa was wrong it was a heart Timman wanted a heart yeah

The lion needed courage. Yep. Who else was there? Dorothy just wanted to go home. Dorothy just wants to go home. She wants to go home. I just want to go. What the fuck?

I want to get back to cancer. What the fuck is this place? Did I go home? That would be a great take. Someone that just really irritated to be there. Like, God, fuck, this sucks. It's like, get me home. Awful.

Yeah. Go away. I just saw somebody to hang themselves in a tree. anyway Bronwyn and Meredith are talking Dev had a really interesting take on this and I am curious if you think there's merit to it

I think she's on to something but Bronwyn stole the unicorn that Jared creepy unicorns saying you're so loved baby and they're coming up with this master plan to do something with it Meredith's like oh let's go like it looks like uni needs a swim

so they put on costumes I actually liked this scene I thought it was funny like they're sneaking around they go and throw it off of the boat ha ha Dev brought up do you think Meredith

would have done this if she wasn't called boring last episode if Mary hadn't said you're so boring you never do anything do you think that she would have been as inclined

to dress up in a costume and take this thing overboard you're asking me to get involved in questions that I don't want to think about because I was just enjoying the fact that Meredith was in there. We said it last week. There's a chance that Meredith was the other one in the costume,

and we got very excited about it. I really wanted to just enjoy that without being analytical. But if you're asking me to put my analytics brain in. Yeah, Tim Man or Scarecrow. See, you're doing it too. I honestly think that nothing activates Meredith Marks more than mutual hate of a person. If you can sit down and you also have hate for that same person, she will sign on for literally anything i actually just loved seeing it for sure but i don't

i don't think that this has a whole lot to do with mary saying that she was boring now okay all right and it's just curious you know and you and dev tend to agree on things too so i was like i wonder if he's got that same this this actually kind of feeds more into another theory that i have at the end oh i like that let's get to brecky brittney joins it's silent obviously things are a little bit awkward after the night before and meredith uses her toe to bring up Brittany and hate, which, of course, that's the easy segue to make there. And she has a little Freudian slip.

She's like, oh, we're not going there, Whitney. I mean, Brittany, but I'm not even mad at this one. She keeps calling her pee brain stupid and not worth her time, which don't love, whatever. But she says, my issues with you, Whitney. It's like, well, why? In Meredith's mind, she co-signed the TikTok. By the way, knows nothing about how it happened or transpired or what Whitney's role was just automatically jumps to, oh, Whitney, you're on her team.

Whitney lays it out for it makes sense to me. She's like, no, I presented her with options. I said, this is fucked up. You can tell her or I'm going to tell her. I never once said like, oh, yes, S having an affair. By the way, your guys podcast is the one named hanging by a thread. You're the one put blues out here, okay? We're just trying to put pieces together.

He spends a lot of time in Columbus, allegedly. Yeah, I mean, I remember that TikTok was circulating. I don't really think we have a lot of fun with that. I don't really think that he has a second family in Columbus. He's way too polarizing of a person. If he's going to be in the back of an Uber and people are going to be like, ooh, he's in the back of an Uber. It could just be somebody he works with.

I don't really think that he's actively cheating on Meredith right now. Maybe, I mean, they did say on hanging by a thread that they did take a little bit of a break, which, oh, man, that conversation. in this episode really here but uh wow this yeah you know where my brain immediately just went to i forgot about that scene immediately um but for meredith and set yeah i don't think anything's actively happening right now and i like the way that this was handled and i wonder what meredith's motive was if it was just to clear the air and throw it into whitney so that she could have a conversation about it i don't know exactly why i can't really speak to that but the way that

Whitney handled it was perfect. And this was another good job by Whitney, tells Brittany to shut up pretty much. I can handle this pretty easily. And the way that she goes about it is perfect. Because at the end of the day, that is how these shows work. When you sit down and you get new information from somebody else, especially somebody that another person really despises and multiple people despise at this point, you give them the option. You can go to her because you're sitting here on camera showing me, you go tell her, I will go tell her to exonerate myself. or you sit on it and you bury it. But those are your only options.

And Brittany decided I'm going to bring it to her at dinner later. Stupid decision. Whitney, I don't know if she ever would have actually gone to Meredith. She may have as like a little bit of an olive branch. We always see Whitney trying to get back to the good graces of Meredith. But I don't think that it really would have turned into a whole lot more. And I think that Whitney did a really good job of just, let's put a lid on this one.

We're not going to go this far. I gave her the options. And I think Meredith responded well to it. And I think it was done. And that's how it should be. Yeah. And then Brittany goes off on the double standard round. There's a double standard in this group, which I have to agree with. You know, if you look at how many times Lisa has brought up husbands and things like that. Meredith has done this as well. Heather's done this as well. This has happened multiple times by multiple parties. It is not the end of the world. It is being treated as though it is. It's being treated to the point where we're getting ultimatums now. Pretty much if you fuck with Brittany, I don't fuck with you. I'm like, well, we can't do that. That's insane.

And Heather says the same thing. She's like, that's bullshit. You can't do that. And by the way, you're getting over Lisa digging up shit on your family, telling Angie to do it too. You got over that literally within five seconds. It took five seconds of Lisa being like, I didn't do that. And you went, okay. But Brittany, because you don't like her, we're going to drag her through the mud consistently.

All right. Cool. Sweet. To the point where she says, we can't support gout dick and not support Britney. I was like, reasonable. Very reasonable. Yeah. That immediately, and I know it's just like one little line,

I was kind of hoping that Angie was over it. And when it comes to Lisa, like she wasn't going to keep doing that because I do think that eventually it's going to be like, enough, Angie. So Angie's saying that. I'm like, all right, maybe take a step back. I was kind of hoping that you got sick earlier and then you heard that Lisa really got it.

So you're going to move on because I do want everybody to kind of move on at some point. So Angie's saying that very quickly. I'm like, all right. yeah let's not try to drum this yeah but i don't really want to do that i agree with you on the same page but it does help point out like hey hypocrites the double standard yeah yeah so yes i i agree with you like let's not open that door again from a show enjoyment standpoint i'm like all right let's not do this again but i get it yeah they didn't do it which i was happy about yeah agreed i agree and mary it's like mary help no no no point no no point no

point yeah she's not going to stand up i do like what mary's doing this season she's great because we saw that before especially when she was on the beach she's like i i i never thought that i'd be agreeing to lisa barlow but she's making a lot of good points and at some point right is right wrong is wrong so i'm going to try to look at it that way i think that's what she does when it gets to a certain point but this hasn't gotten to that point yet she's still looking at brittany like i don't like you i really don't like you and i don't want to be around you certainly not going to defend you in this moment. But if it gets worse, yeah, I'll say something. Okay. Yep. But for now, she remains silent and everyone's packing up. It's time to head out.

Bronwyn, very good idea, fly home solo, a much better idea than we ever thought it was going to be. And we say the goodbyes to the crew. You know, thank you for everything. We give a big tip to everybody. Nice job, ladies. I'm glad they tipped. That was our first question when they got on the boat. Are they going to remember to tip them? But I hope it's a big. tip than what they typically get to i mean i imagine bravo probably footed some of the bill maybe all of the bill for like the standard but the tip should be on the housewives and i hope that it was a massive tip i agree i really hope it was but love the the words from captain jason you know it's really nice meeting you individually as a group like a hurricane came through i mean

like a good hurricane yeah i can't wait to see what his actual reaction are. Oh, I know. It's going to be so. I mean, the fact that the crew is talking in the galley and saying things like, this is the loudest we've ever had. We've seen some crazy shit on below deck. And like if they take the cake, that is

really impressive. What we weren't expecting or the cast was, I would, this, I was expecting 100% for multiple reasons. But Daisy runs on the boat and runs back out with the unicorn. Because when I was thinking about this, I was like,

I don't think you can just throw shit off a boat into the ocean. I know there's a lot of trash in the ocean, but like we can't be littering in this beautiful place. So I was confused that they were going to let that happen. Sure, like, you know, there's only so much you could do about it. But the fact that it was floating and they had cameras on it. And it's also, I'm assuming a combination of Salt Lake and below deck producers there, somebody's going to have the bright idea.

It's kind of funny. Why don't we just send one of the jet skis out? whip a jet ski out there just scoop it back up and throw it in a towel maybe it'll dry off a little bit we can give it back or it won't dry off at all and brittany'll know that it was thrown overboard that works too we'll do that one instead that's a better one and brittany gets the unicorn back and i think this is when i started to get the inkling of like oh i i kind of feel bad like she's i know that she puts herself in these positions i know she doesn't do herself any favors but she's not a mean spirited person yeah and i don't

don't know and this felt like watching her just get sad about it i was like yeah you know i don't think jared went to great lengths to get this for you but at the same time i don't know it started to feel icky in that moment for me uh see i think i'm going to do what you do now because i didn't feel bad just because of i know what she's been doing and what we've been hearing from her daughter the way that she handles her interpersonal relationships and i'm not saying she's a great person or a good mom i no firmly believe she's a terrible mother okay don't get it twisted yeah no i know but that's what i'm saying i'm going to do what you usually do and try to reel us back in and be like you know what i do at some point have some semblance of emotions that you might be able to recognize as feeling

bad but it's not quite there i don't really give a shit especially because we know where that unicorn came from and who it came from and we've been talking about it for a while and you're still seemingly, even though every single woman in the group who has any relationship with you is yelling at you to cut it off so that you can have a relationship with your daughter, you still chose to bring the unicorn that has Jared's voice on it, and you're still talking about it and saying that you have sentimental feelings towards this unicorn. It's kind of fucked. I don't get a shit.

All right. That's fine. That's fair. Maybe it's because of what happens later. I'm just now feeling sad. I don't know. And then we get it. We get this cut scene of obviously can.

cameras were down because they were traveling. And apparently Meredith lost her shit and her mind at the airport to the point where people felt uncomfortable. It was a lot. And she made a scene. I guess Brittany sat in front of Lisa and Meredith, tough spot to be. And I wish somebody switched seats with her. But Mary tells us that Meredith must have dwelled on this and dwelled on this.

And then we get like texts fucking unhinged. this is crazy, all this other shit. I guess she shook Britney's seat, pulled her hair, grabbed the phone, all this other stuff. Meanwhile, Lisa is commentating from the side saying, just give her the TikTok, give her the fucking TikTok, stuff like that. Now, obviously we have a lot to unpack here. The thing that remains constant in my head with everything people are explaining that this happened, that that happened, that this happened, that this happened, that that happened.

I can see Meredith doing these things and I can hear Lisa's reactions to them without seeing the scene. I'm like, this does track because a lot of times when we get these moments of we didn't get it on camera, everything that said, I tried to like mentally play out the scene in my head.

Like, can I see this happening? Would Meredith say that? Would Lisa do this? I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. So in my head, it gives more merit to the situation. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out

way that I can do this without going fully into what I think happened because we do obviously unpack a lot of it as we get everybody's perspective with various sit downs with other people with Bronwyn who wasn't there trying to get a handle in the situation and understand what was going on and then Heather has multiple sit downs so we do kind of get it was kind of cool it was actually very cinematic cinematic honestly the way that it was structured was great because for me taking notes it was phenomenal Oh, it was a fucking, yeah. Oh, yeah.

None of it was good because we went, boop, boop, bo, we didn't jump in between. We'd fill in gaps and we don't do anything. No in between scenes. So it was really well structured in that regard because we don't know what happened. So we've got no point of reference. All we have is can we see Meredith doing this? Can we see Lisa doing this? Can we see Brittany doing this?

Can we see Heather doing this? So all of those things kind of play into it. And then the way that they do it moving forward is we're going to fill you in and you're going to have basically a decision to make. as the viewer as to saying who's credible and who's not credible who's got an axe to grind who doesn't have an axe to grind who are we actually believing and who are we not believing that was fucking awesome because you're really going through a lot of loops and stuff in your brain so i really enjoyed how that played out but i mean if you want me to i can tell you what i think happens but i don't think it really works that way right now are you is that rhetorical you actually

asked me that i was asking you yeah oh do you want to is it going to hit harder if you say it for later? I don't really know when it's going to hit because we get to go through all of it. No, let's just go through the scene by scene and we'll unpack the scenes. Although we did get a very weird prominent Whitney scene.

We're going to, yeah, we unfortunately have to discuss that. So, again, just to paint the scene, this ends with Britney sobbing, melting all of these other words to describe just

hysterically crying our first sit down is mary and brownwin mary says it was pure chaos and she acknowledges like yeah brittany needs to own some things and pretty much acknowledging i don't love brittany but at the end of the day right is right and wrong is wrong and i think the most important thing to keep in mind for all of these scenes lumped together is where mary stands one mary doesn't mince words she's going to tell you how she feels she's usually I would say 99% of the time gets a good grasp of the situation. She does not like Brittany

at all. These are all very important things to note as we keep trucking forward. And then we get J.B. Husband boss with Lisa Barlow. And they're driving. She's like, Meredith is so hurt. She's eating some Wendy's probably plugging, but whatever.

Meredith is so hurt. She was saying just horrible stuff to me. And this doesn't bode well at all. because J.B. being like, you didn't say anything, right? She's like, oh, my God, I would never. I've just never seen her that upset. I'm like, okay, well, I don't believe you already.

So not a great start for Lisa. Then we go to Heather and Brittany. Brittany is clearly rattled. You can see her. She's obviously not handling this whole thing well. And she breaks down the scene to Heather. Heather had fallen asleep during this whole altercation and woke up somewhere in the midst of it

and ends up getting yelled at by Lisa and Meredith in turn, according to Heather. So this is all she said, she said, until we can figure out what actually happened. But I guess it was a vortex of bullying. And four hours in, she woke up. There was apparently hair pulling, shook her seat as she got to go to the bathroom and, like, pointed out. I was like, this one here, this one here, or something like that. And Heather heard Lisa say, you fucked up, show her the TikTok.

You fucked up, show her the TikTok. I really started to feel bad for Brittany when she says, like they're trying to make me feel small because that's where i'm starting to get to i'm like now we're belittling this person you might not like her but just maybe leave her alone and she starts to get into her relationship with lisa and then we can have a discourse we just had to lay out the scene for you guys but there is a and we called this and that's what sucks she was just convenient because lisa was on the outs with the majority of the group this was easy for her to pick up the phone and called brittany that being said brittany was

to her probably daily multiple times a day about what's going on with Lisa's life. So in Brittany's head, she, we know Brittany feels like a sister after a lunch. So multiple phone calls. She's probably like, oh, my God, Lisa's my best friend ever. She's going to be my bridesmaid at Jared's wedding. So to then get flipped on, like this is so much emotional damage coming in at the same time, 30,000 feet in the air. Yeah.

So here's the thing with Brittany and Lisa's relationship. Obviously, we've talked about this. I do still think that eventually, and maybe this will throw a wrench in the whole thing, but I still think that eventually Lisa will have a bit of a downfall because Brittany will divulge some information. This actually might accelerate that if enough people talk to Brittany and say, Lisa is not your friend. Lisa will burn you at the second that you can. I tend to think between what's going on and what Brittany is saying.

Brittany has the capability of being a professional victim for sure but I do think that this was a lot and I do think it was a lot more than what we're getting into and I think that Mary's view of this whole thing is probably in line with more

of what happens and the fact that she was really just honing in on Meredith that says to me that yeah Meredith was probably relentless so I don't really blame Brittany for having a mental breakdown I mean that is a long fucking trip

that is a long time to just be even over here people behind you, if you want to say that that's what the truth is, if you overhear people just talking about you and one woman in particular right behind you, calling you a bunch of names, which I would imagine, and going on and on about how shitty your life is, yeah, that fucking sucks. So I'm sure that that was a main situation that led to Britney's breakdown for sure. With Lisa in particular, I don't know necessarily that it's more Lisa was piling on or of simply just the fact that

she wasn't standing up for Britney because that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting here that Brittany really thought Meredith was going in on her and Lisa didn't say a word which I do think that probably did happen because like we said, she'll burn you immediately. You don't really have that close of a relationship. She's not going to defend you in any

regard. And if a friend of hers who's much more powerful, which I think that's how Lisa looks at friendships, a more powerful friend is sitting there having a gripe with you, she's not going to defend you. So I think this was a big wake up call for Brittany realizing she's not defending me she's not doing anything to help me here and this is a big problem for me but you're saying that leave i'll save it i'll save it i'll save it

yeah i'm trying to save it as much as possible yeah i'm trying to at least until after lisa and heather talk okay that makes sense but in brittany's eyes she claims lisa is as culpable which again we'll save the rest of that definition for later but her implication at meredith and lisa We're on a warpath together. They burned me. I'm really upset. Don't know if I can come back from it. Heather is fully in support of Brittany.

And even when she's going through it, I know that I'm the unsinkable rubber ducky, but golly, it's getting tough. Does she come up with this shit? I don't fucking know. I do not know, but I enjoy it. So we get to Bronwyn and Whitney.

For what I thought was going to be a debrief, right? Yeah. started out a little bit started up that way yeah you know Whitney's like yeah she went ham on Britney she was taunting and terrorizing Lisa was saying you fucked up you fucked up there was pure rage Bronwyn's more on the side I think she's kind of neutral not neutral but she says things like you know there's no videos there's no repercussions as far as you know an air marshal or TSA or anything if it was to this degree I would think that somebody would step in, but she can also believe the other side of it, too.

I think she's just looking for more evidence at the time. Well, I think Brahman's doing a really good job of not picking sides immediately, which usually does lead to bigger problems down the road. And she's been really doing a good job, I think, in the beginning of the season, she had it out with Lisa. She had issues with Lisa. There were unresolved issues from the end of last season in the off season and the way that this season started.

But I think where we have Bromwin, and she's learned, I'm hoping she's learned from her mistakes from last year, she's in the middle right now. And she's just trying to get an idea of what happens. But she's also being incredibly practical in her thinking. She's doing what all of us at home are doing. Why is there no fucking footage? I know that maybe they fly alone. Maybe they have this. They probably have a producer on the plane.

No one did this. We just saw this on Potomac. Their mics were off. the cameras were down and a producer pulled their cell phone out to video what was going on. We have no footage of this, no passer buyer. We looked at the seating chart. There's a bunch of other people in between. Nobody turned around him was like, all right, this is getting ridiculous.

I'm going to film this. This is Meredith Marks. We're going to take a video of this. What do you think happened? My only, because I was doing the same thing. Doing the same thing you're doing, same thing everyone else is doing, trying to figure out how that's possible. But you're thinking about Billy Idol in first class in the wedding singer? Yeah, exactly.

I'm waiting for the song to come up waiting for Adam Sandler, Serenatus. No, I'm thinking it's first class on an international flight, right? So you're not going to get people up there that are looking for this kind of shit. One, so you might have just a different crew up there, different crowd that's not quick to grab their phone.

That's more like, oh my God, this is deplorable. That there's no way, number two, no way production is sitting first class, not happening. And three, as far as the ladies recording it, we've had so many issues with recording the group that this group, I could believe, didn't pull out the phone to avoid the scrutiny of the group for recording the situation. All a long shot. It's all a long shot, but that could have happened. Or everybody was actually asleep and they're just piecing this together. That too.

Could be as simple as that. But I don't think we got more about that because I don't think that's what Bronwyn wanted to talk about. She wanted to use this as a segue way to say, well, she wasn't the only one causing a ruckus on a plane. Todd was looking at pictures of some lady in lingerie. Apparently, Todd was cheating on me via an airplane. I caught wind of this whole thing. And she believes it because Whitney's like, well, that didn't happen. She's like, oh, no, totally 100% happened.

They knew where you're sitting. Like, this all makes total sense to me. if he talked to me about receiving photos, I would have been fine with it. It's the fact that he didn't talk to me about it. I would fuck other people if we had an agreement. Or sorry, agreement's not said yet.

If we had talked about it. I was so whiplashed. I was like, yeah, I had no idea what was going on. And we posited the theory that maybe Brahmin got on this show knowing it would ruffle Todd's feathers and it would get to a point where she could divorce him it's kind of the same situation but maybe not based on this conversation i have a theory

i have a theory this actually sold me on that conspiracy that this is all a play to get todd to divorce her because she does not have a preem all right the more and more we talk about todd's infidelity things like that the more weird it is to me that she's allowing it to continue a lot of the time yeah because he's such a private person because his job is so big that there's no way that this doesn't have ramifications in the real world if this is coming out and his business partners are just like oh this is messy this is bad blah blah blah so she's leaning into it and I think what this does here okay this exonerates the previous infidelity because she's open to the idea okay if we have a discussion and

you want to do something else and I want to do something else as long as we're up front about it and we get there because Whitney divulges way too much to us like nothing that really shocked me no no it wasn't shocking in the context like what she was saying I'm like I mean we've been making this judgment for years now we assumed that we thought I thought they were swingers I think we talked about that before they probably were their swinger adjacent they might have done that too but it's more like you know if Justin is catching a vibe and wants to do something, he tells me and vice versa. The rules get a lot looser as they go and she gets a little more comfortable with the

conversation because it ends with her saying when the kids are out of the house, I'm going to do it what the fuck I want. I was like, well, that's not the same thing. It's not the same thing at all. She really like blew the lid off of it too because I thought like you thought it was just going to be kind of that, I don't even want to call it surface level. It was a mid-level conversation about swinging and being in an open relationship, which I don't I can't care about.

We already, like we said, we already kind of thought that about Justin and Whitney. We really thought that that's what was going on, especially with all the weird sex things that happened and the painting and all that and whatever. But she just kept going. And then I didn't really expect Bromwin to reciprocate because then she goes into, you know, I've talked about having an agreement before, but that's not how we're going to do this. That's not how he wants to do things. But here he is texting women on an airplane and he's getting pictures taken.

No, they haven't talked about it. Well, yeah, no, I got the vibe that they did. I got the vibe that they did. We're going to have to hear more about it. Yeah, I could have sworn that the way that she was talking about it, it seems like they had talked about it, but it wasn't an option, really. But the way that this is going, it seems like she wants it to be that option, or it's what you said, where she wants to get to the point that he divorces her.

So to finish my theory, I think she wants to put this on the table. So that when he steps out of line again and there's infidelity, she can simply say he broke the agreement. I can't do this anymore. It's like the perfect way to then justify the fact that he may have been unfaithful up until this point, but she's open to it. They just haven't had that conversation yet to lay out the rules. But when he breaks the actual rules, now it's a problem.

Now I'm going to divorce you. So I think it's all kind of leading up to that because I don't know how you put back from this. bizarre. It's so, so strange. So strange how it ramped up so fast. But the way that it happened, too, it's like we just expect to get debrief after debrief after debrief with everybody on the plane and everybody who wasn't on the plane talking about this. And they just get that conversation over with so quickly and turn it into that. It's like, what did this come from? I don't know. I actually forgot about that too, because we did see the Todd, uh, the stuff on Twitter about Todd being on a plane and we're like, oh God, dude, are you fucking kidding me? But in,

this context, I didn't expect it. No, not at all, especially like the back and forth conversation of like, oh, what's your agreement? They were like salivating. They were like, I know, fucking community and they were brainsharing. They're like, oh, let's swap ideas. Maybe we swap husbands? Hey, kidding, unless you're into it.

Yeah, my. Am I kidding? Sex justice. Should we? Like, that's the vibe I got. So I don't know. To each their own, no kinkshaming here. It's just the way that this was rolled out was insane. So let's get to Angie Kay and Electra. Just real quick. This is such a teenager scene and we

watched her on the white swap and she's like very much a teenager in her responses and things like that. Angie brings up her sweater. She's went a Greek sweater and Electra's like, I don't care. Here's the thing. And I wish I could tell Angie this. She'll care someday. Someday she will appreciate all this stuff. I don't think forcing it all the time is going to help. you get to your goal. We saw that last year, too, and it was just a one-off comment, but you and I had a lot of fun with it, where a lecture was sitting there and Angie was going on and on and on about something and this and that and whatever, and she immediately, Electra immediately goes,

are you going to turn this into a grief thing? That was this year. That was this year? I thought that that was last year. I think that was at the end of the last. I don't remember. But either way, we've seen that. And now also having the point of reference from Weifswap showing that a lecture is way closer

to Sean than she is to. Angie. It's like, okay, I understand that. You spend a lot more time with Sean. You spend a lot more time maybe with his family. Like, yeah, you've got your papu. You've got this and that and all these other Greek things that Angie's doing. But you do spend a lot of time with Sean. So it makes sense that right now. And again, like you said, eventually she's going to care about her Greek heritage. Eventually she's going to move on to that and want to know more about her family. But she's a teenager. She doesn't really give a shit. Going into what she likes about Sean's family was funny. She's like, I really like the foundation of dad's family.

He was a trainer. His dad was a trainer. His grandpa was a trainer. We've got horses. We're in American roots over here. This is what I want to do. And it's like, okay, that makes sense. But it's not really hitting.

And I just love that Angie will not stop. And she's trying to pull at all the different heartstrings talking about her dad's life and what he was doing over in Greece and how he had nothing. And now we've got this roof over our head because of where he came from. And a lecture was like, I don't, I don't, whatever. maybe only day maybe in the future the only thing that landed was that's why you ride a horse as expensive as my poor she's like what what what yeah what we're talking about this greek shit what are we talking about that was all built on the bare feet of your papu yep who got this family where it is have some damn respect have some kids but yeah she'll get there she'll get there

at some point so let's get into it let's let's tie a bow on this with our last couple of meetups So we get Heather and Lisa. Lisa's an hour late. No surprise there. She walks in, Heather's silent before it's even offered up or before Heather asks anything. She immediately goes into, you know, Marith was so upset and I wanted to soothe her. And we've seen Heather on the yacht and she tells her flat out, Brittany doesn't want to be around you right now. Well, I didn't do anything.

But the more that Lisa talks, I'm like, well, you're. saying things that you did because she's like all I said was like show her the fucking TikTok show her the fucking TikTok and all we have to do at home is add the rest of it that allegedly happened pretty much saying you deserved it or you fucked up things like that but sitting there leaning around the seat just claiming show the fucking TikTok show the fucking TikTok while this one on your right is having a tantrum I you're smirking is this where the thing comes out finally Yeah, I think so. I think this is where it comes in.

You know where I am with Heather. You know where I am every season with Heather. She goes too far. She's trying to bury Lisa into all of this. I think that Lisa, up until this point before we get to marry, up until this point, Lisa's rendition of what happened is probably the closest to the truth. Meredith was out of control. Did we really expect Lisa to be able to bury her in and try to control her,

grab her arm and pull her over probably not but she probably could have done more fine that's neither here nor there i think this is the closest to the truth that we got and heather has knacks to grind heather is going after lisa still she's trying to lump her in with this this is a meredith issue yeah you can talk about brittany and lisa's relationship i don't really give a fuck about this this is a meredith issue meredith was going balls to the wall doing a lot yeah maybe it was a little bit overboard. She didn't get to the point where the TSA had to get involved in restraining or anything, fine, whatever. But I don't think that Lisa is remotely involved in this as much as Heather is playing it out to be. Heather's doing this to throw Lisa back under

the bus to keep this a Lisa issue. And she's not nearly talking about Meredith enough. This is a Meredith issue. Meredith is the one who's bullying Brittany. You want to make this all about Lisa because she didn't stop her doing it. You want to make this all about Lisa because she said, just show her the fucking TikTok. That makes sense to me. If you're sitting here and you're like, maybe this will calm her down if you just show her the fucking TikTok, I would probably get a little fed up to. So if she said that and Lisa goes as far to say, yeah, I was leading over saying show her the fucking TikTok, I would get pissed off too. But Heather is trying to make this such a Lisa issue when it's only a Meredith issue. And it's a

Britney issue because as we already said, she is a professional victim. But at some point, yeah, Meredith went overboard. And it was a lot. And it was a five hour, four hour flight, whatever they said it was. I don't really care. But this is not really a Lisa issue. And she's trying to pin it on her because she's doing what Heather does every season. She takes it too fucking far. You had her. You were good on the yacht. If you kept it on that topic, fine.

But now you're throwing everything. And here's the other part. Heather's a fucking liar. Go back to the Jen Shaw thing where she got punched in the face and she would refuse to do it. You always spin all these narratives. You're always doing all this self-serving bullshit. I think Heather did what we said was going to happen. She sees a way in which, yeah, I can kind of.

of align myself over here. I'm not going to tie myself to the sinking ship of Lisa, but I see where everybody's going with this. They're kind of fed up with everything going on. How do I now spin this back into being a Lisa issue? That's all she's trying to do. She should be where everybody else is, where Mary is most of all, and making this about Meredith. It is unhinged behavior. It's unbelievable. But the fact that now she's sitting here and even when her conversation ended with Brittany, she was still trying to make it a Lisa issue. She's doing it again. She does it every year. you're missing i'm not saying you're wrong i could see that i don't agree with you uh and i feel like

one big part where you keep saying heather's trying to heather's trying to do this brittany told heather that lisa was just as culpable as meredith so it's not like she's that matters a lot no it doesn't i don't think it does it it's brittany you have to understand the source i i didn't put right but that's also in the aftermath of this fucking crazy flight so I'm just saying the entire fight hold on where was Heather the entire I'm not disagreeing with you I'm saying where the potential holes might be but this is the holes only exist when Heather was asleep for four hours she's the one who said that I'm not even saying this she said it to Brittany and she said it to Lisa how many times did she say I was

asleep I was asleep she did the inconsistent thing with Lisa she's trying to act she's trying to grind this axe and go after Lisa but then right after she says something she's like well I don't know because I was asleep. How do you know all of these things? You're putting all this emphasis on what Brittany was saying. And again, I'm not excusing Meredith's behavior because I do think it's fully a Meredith issue. But I don't think that Lisa is remotely as culpable as Meredith is. And yet Heather is sitting here trying to make this a Lisa issue. So it just kind of feeds back into what I said was maybe going to happen because it is always a slippery slope with Heather. When she's trying to push this agenda and she's trying to overproduce, she does shit like this. And this is again, and this is three

seasons in a row that she's doing this. I just figured this is what was going to happen. So I don't I think you're also speaking in like certainties that this is going to happen. We don't know. Of course it's going to fucking happen. I have a couple things. I'm pretty sure. I think the truth is between

Lisa and Mary leaning towards what Mary was saying. I mean, and we'll get to Mary's conversation. Did Mary say even a word about Lisa? No, but Mary's also not going to talk about other people when they're not there. Mary is the deciding vote. If she says whatever she says I'm going to believe so like that's my biggest thing is I'm not going to jump

the conclusions all I'm going to do is try and map out how both could be possible because yes Heather's side that your theory makes sense if that happens I'd be like yep that tracks we've seen it before we're seeing it again totally on the flip side when I look at them Lisa and Meredith I've watched trick and frack go back and forth and fire each other up and go after somebody i've seen this this movie before it's not out of the realm of possibility that lisa leaned further into it and now she's trying to play cleanup which goes back to the jb husband boss scene where it's like that could have easily been like ask me if i said anything and then he doesn't she's like no i didn't say so i don't have uh i think i just that's how that could happen that's

how the heather thing could happen there's somewhere here i i look i i think i more so believe and going into Bronwyn's conversation with Whitney too where Bronwyn's like, I don't really, you know, think that Whitney's necessarily telling the truth because if Whitney's are other eyewitness, she also has problems with Lisa

and she wanted to grind that as much as Heather did and she lies all the time. So I'm not putting a lot of stock into the things that are being said about Lisa. And again, I just don't think it's that big of a deal that Lisa was trying to get her to show the TikTok and that she wasn't controlling Meredith.

I just think it's way more of a Meredith issue. And if this is what we're going to keep doing, then I don't really want to deal with that. Yeah, if that's what comes out, sure, I agree. I'm just, I'm more curious about which way it's going to go. And, you know, she doesn't do herself any favors in my eyes because, you know, she ends the scene with, well, like, I draw the line of talking about people's marriages. It's like, what? Like, you do that all the time. So when you finish it with things like that, that, that's, that.

doesn't give me a lot of confidence that it didn't happen because you just lied now like that's my thing and i don't even again we've talked about that before i don't think that's a lie in lisa's mind i don't think she connects the dots i also think Lisa just came off of that trip just getting shit on the whole time so maybe she's a little bit more vulnerable to certain things like when she raises her voice and just keeps going after it Heather did just go after her for like three straight days on a trip like two days ago so i don't really think it's that big of a deal that she got all amped up and she's like this is just more of the same shit are we really going to do this again i get why she just started raising her voice and saying fuck every two words i don't i make

total sense to me that's not something that i feel like anybody should really hone in on and be like oh she's guilty because she did this it's like no she just went through it for three days heather was at the spearhead of all of that so if heather's going to try to spin this into a lisa problem again yeah if i'm lisa i'm going to freak the fuck out too but i do think and this is part of my fun theory the way that brondwin was talking and the way that she's been moving. My fun theory is why doesn't Bromwin just start being friends with Lisa again? If Bromwin

Lisa and Meredith kind of team up and then go with everybody else, I'm okay with that. I don't want that. I don't want that at all. Meredith's losing me. I don't think that she's not doing great. Nah, Meredith doesn't lose me. Yeah, well, you've also been a Lisa sympathizer the whole season. So this

also tracks as well, because you've been on the side of she's getting up every week. I've been on the side of like, I need her to acknowledge because I do think that that's what needed to come from the boat trip is just fucking acknowledge that you do the same shit that everybody else does and just say you're sorry for it because then at least it'll be like all right let's bring you back down to the pack she's back down to the pack whether she likes it or not just based off of her performance and the way that people are going after the fact

that the entire cast minus meredith can say anything to lisa and get under her skin she is back in the middle of the pack with everybody else she's not in shoulders above anybody else so i'm good with it now. I'm fine. We can move on and start kind of restructuring and getting to a point where, all right, yeah, we've got a little spat between teams here. That's fine. Yeah, I'm cool with that, too. I don't know. I don't want Bronwyn to do that simply because that to me is the easy, easy way forward. I like that she's still doing her own thing. Oh, I don't think. I think the easy way forward is going your own way and just kind of doing your own thing. I think if you align yourself, because I do think that, like, a really good structure of housewives, and if Brownman's going to be on this show for a long time,

and Lisa is too, is being friends with somebody one season, then having a falling out for two seasons, then coming back for two seasons. That is something that she could line herself up with. So I think at this point, it was just a weird vibe that I got from Bronwyn, when she was talking to Whitney, that like she doesn't really believe it. And if this is how it's going to turn, I could see her maybe cozying up a little bit, but in a way different way than she was in the beginning of last season. I don't mind if they're friends again at some point.

As you just said, that's the, that's the Mary go around to palacewives. It's more so, it's too soon to just be like, ah, move on. I think that it's all going to come down to, if Mary says that the Lisa stuff is not what actually happened. Yeah. That's probably an easier bridge to mend between Lisa and Bronwyn. I think that everything is going to hinge on Mary, which takes us right to Mary's scene. And Meredith comes in. You can tell out of the gate that Mary is.

genuinely concerned about Meredith because she's like, how are you? And she's like, I feel pretty good. She's like, no, no. Like, how are you doing? Mm-hmm. Meredith is so disassociated. Oh, my God.

And granted, she was probably, allegedly, on a cocktail of Xanax and God knows how many bottles of wine or glasses of wine, which is probably why you can't remember what the fuck happened. But Mary's like trying to, like, right. She's trying to get her to like recognize the situation. And she's like, what do you think happened?

And Mary's like, I don't think like I was there. So you were sleeping. It's like, okay, well, you can't make the claim. And Mary acknowledges like, yeah, but every time I woke up, you were still going. I was like, that's a great line. And she said, but you were, Meredith's defense doesn't make sense. You're on the other side of the plane. You're in first class.

She's in the row above you, like to the left. What are you talking about? And also, you're going to claim that Mary was sleeping. So you're close enough to decide whether or not she was awake. but too far away for marriage to have heard your outburst. And her going back into saying, like, well, I mean, I know how long the flight was. I watched two movies. I watched two movies and took a nap.

So you're telling me that all I was doing that whole time, there's only so much time in a flight. You had two movies and a nap in there? How much time did I possibly have to go after Brittany? It's like, what? Really? That's what we're doing. Now, I will throw this out there. I don't think there was hair pulling.

I think that was way over exaggerated. I do think that she probably did get up and pull the chair a little bit when she went to the bathroom or something and said this one right here and in the middle of a sentence with Lisa while she was talking shit on her probably did shake the chair and point at her. But again, there's certain things and we'll never really know the full truth, but there's certain things that are definitely going to get overblown in all of this. And it really just comes down to who do you believe on the cast. I'm not even talking about us. I'm talking about the cast kind of drawing a line in the sand like, all right. some of this shit is kind of crazy some of this is inconsistent

I do think everybody's going to come to believe Mary and be like yeah Meredith was unhinged but everything else is kind of up for grabs right now how much do you want to say that Lisa was involved in because even Lisa was like I've never seen her like that she was crazy so that's like no no that part is I think that part is very easy to see I think that everybody on the cast is going to be like yeah now

Meredith definitely went overboard but the other little things that happened along the way like Lisa's involvement whether or not did she pull her hair whatever like those things there's going to be some certain things up for grabs like do you really want to believe it and which way do you want to go with this because that's going to affect the story for the rest of the season no i agree it's just as they're going back and forth all you're getting is that merit doesn't know what happened that's what i got you don't

know what happened because their timeline's crazy you're like and also to say black down rage or drunk i don't know i don't know but to say like oh it was what like 15 minutes and she's like it was longer than that. She's like, oh, what, 30 minutes? It's like, well, if we're going to play math, you just doubled it. Doubled it. You just a hundred percent increase. That's a pretty substantial raise. Can we keep doing this? All right, not a half an hour, an hour? It was two hours. It was the whole flight. All right. It was the whole flight. I couldn't handle it. But Mary, or sorry, Mary is more concerned about her well-being than anything. It's not even about the situation. It's like, I'm, I need you to remember. I just need you to show me that you're not losing

your fucking mind. Yeah. And acknowledge. Yeah. Like acknowledge what went on. And like she keeps trying to tell Mary what she saw. But then says, I can't speak for what people did or didn't see. That's all you're doing right now.

Yeah. You're dictating what people did or did not see. We don't know. What I do know for a fact, Mary doesn't like Brittany. There is no reason for her to go to bat for Brittany right now other than one concern for you Meredith because you lost your shit that bad and two as she said right is right and wrong is wrong so mary is the gospel in my mind in this whole situation everything she's saying is exactly what happened and the fact that like a good defense is not you were asleep because of her rebuttal yeah

and every time i woke up guess who is still yelling you you psycho so i don't know i think that her to go in a confession say i think that like this is the most unhinged comment I've ever heard. I think Whitney is in Mary's ear. What? Yeah. She doesn't like Whitney. That's like they're hiding in the walls.

That's all I'm hearing is. They're in the walls and I can hear them scratching. It's like you might be losing your mind. I think she is. And let's not forget, too, last week, and I said something earlier on this episode, last week, we had Mary look at Meredith differently because she talked to Lisa about how Meredith isn't a good friend. And she came to that realization on her own. I can't believe that I'm believing Lisa right now, but it does make sense. And I am seeing those things. So you do that

and you build the foundation from there to what she was doing to Brittany on the plane. Mary is genuinely concerned. Mary could wipe, just completely clean her hands and walk away and not deal with any of this shit. And we've seen that in the past. But the fact that she's this involved, and I know she's been getting more and more involved. And she's involved with a lot of different things in a lot of different people, which we love. But this is a different type of involvement. This is a, I need to sit down with you to make sure you're not going fucking nuts. And all I'm hearing from you is that you might be going fucking nuts.

And I'm concerned. And all it does for me, watching this at home, you're not doing yourself any favors as far as these allegations against Seth. Yeah. These reactions tell me between that. You are in your podcast hanging by a thread. Yeah. Something's going on.

Like you clearly not fully trusting what he's doing or you wouldn't be having a meltdown. My view of Seth is based off of Seth and not Meredith. Like, yeah, it doesn't help the Meredith's doing all of these things. But the fact that like Seth was so involved in next gen and he was hanging out with his kids. Like I genuinely believe that Seth loves his family so much that he's not out there doing all these things because those things would come to light in a much more explicit. way than just an Uber driver saw this and here's my TikTok of my floating head talking about this. It's like those shits come out all the time. There's probably one out there right now about somebody who's on the show right now and it'll come out next year when we film that and

the whole thing will fucking start over again. But the fact that she's acting like this, it's like you are really insecure about all of these things and yet I'm still sitting at home watching this and I'm like, Seth loves his family. I don't think he's doing any of these things, but you are certainly not helping lady. The only reason I'm still like, maybe is because of Meredith. If you just stop, I'd be like, there's no way Seth's cheating on you. Now I'm like, there's a chance now because of you.

But let's get to some questions, see what the audience had to say about it. I use the seating chart as the picture for questions today. Well, as you can see by that seating chart, Mary is way too far away from Meredith to hear anything. Way too far away. Crazy. from car color do y'all really believe the plane story i feel like f a's would have gotten involved

and intervened if it was that bad that's that just kind of speaks to the level i feel like where we started when we got off the plane and we started hearing what was going on and seeing the text messages that's by first thought okay it really wasn't that bad because it doesn't seem like the flight attendants got involved in any way and nobody said anything like that but when we start piecing it together. Yes, I do think what Meredith was doing in her behavior was like probably right at that limit right before they actually needed to get involved. And she was just probably berating her, but doing it in a way that she was talking to Lisa the whole time, hoping that Brittany would turn around and say something so that she could get involved and then flight attendants would get

involved. But it never quite got over there. But it is as close to the line as possible in my eyes. I think you get more of a leash probably in first class as well. That's a good point, yeah. From J.D. Lakin. Still very unclear about what Whitney and Brahman did or did not reveal about their marriages. I think I'm going to need, like, a week or so to sit on that. There was a lot going on this episode alone. This was such a weird little side quest. I don't think I even really know what they said.

I think I might need, I don't want to watch the scene again because it made me uncomfortable, but I do want to watch the scene again so that I can further understand what the fuck they were talking about. I was very confused. I was as well. I don't know what happened. I don't know where it came from. And just shocking. Not shocking at the reveals.

I mean, on Broneman's side, yeah. Whitney, no. But yeah, I just don't know how that happened. I don't know how we got there. This is also a very good point from C-Lin Bartels. How did Heather not notice anything until the end of the flight? She's literally right next to them. She is right next to Lisa and Meredith.

So the fact that she kept talking about how asleep she was was a little weird. But again, I still think she has an ax to grind. Oh, if you're on a three-day bender on a boat. True. Yeah, Heather did fucking go ham too. Yeah. From MaxEV. 374.

Was it mean to throw the unicorn overboard? Yeah, a little. And that's probably because I feel bad now. If the plane didn't happen, probably not. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. all no here you go point for me princess penifer heather is engineering and enjoying taking down lisa and meredith revenge for season one there you go i i i don't think you even need to engineer

anything for meredith right now i mean she's kind of doing that on her own losing her mind but yeah i do think that she's throwing lisa in there oh rachel michaelus is merrith hyping up the drama now because mary called her boring oh yeah there you go point for you mm-hmm uh from Brie Polo, Brittany didn't pull out her phone to video Eddie of the flight. I know. She might still be like in traumatic states just trying to deal with all of that from last year.

Yeah, there's a lot of people questioning the obvious. Why do you know, why don't know one step in? Why is there no phones? We don't know. Mary's going to have to clear it all up for us. Mary did ask Meredith to wake up and do something. And Meredith said, hold my wine. from Joanna Pickles

That's Yeah, that's a pretty good point From Coya Baby In Mary we trust over under They'll release unseen producer footage At the reunion If there was a producer on that flight And they did get something

And they want to hold on to this until the reunion That would I mean that would be a very good reveal Because we would want that the whole time I don't have faith that they'll do that But I mean that would This kind of leans into my theory You got to do some stepping stones to get there, but from Shadow Potato, I think she's just saying that to cover up for being embarrassed and trying to salvage his image in regards to Todd in the picture. There's something more there.

This is just a one-off like, oh, this happened. She's, this is, she's taking steps to do this in a specific way. I don't know what the end game is, if it's what I said, or if it was just to get to this point where now she can bang other dudes. I don't know. But there's a plan at work. I just don't know what it is yet. Yeah, that's a good point. I'm trying to find one good one.

A lot of people are just asking about why there's no footage. Oh, this is good because it is that, but it's not. Okay. This is talking about the gravity of the situation. Memes about Bravo, do we really think it was that bad if nothing was recorded or leaked? The gravity of the situation. I think that Meredith clearly was because of Mary's response to it. Yeah, I do think, like I said,

I think it was right at that line, but where there's certain things being said, like hair pulling is standing out to me, but there were other things being said. Well, it's physical. That's the difference. I do think, again, Brittany is warranted in her feelings because I'm sure it was the entire fucking flight that Meredith was just going on and on and on. And at some point, you hit fatigue where you're like, all right, this is unbelievable and this is enough.

But she was probably getting a little bit louder and she was saying more and saying more. and that's enough to concern anybody. So the concern is still there and Meredith's behavior is still there. But I don't think it got to the point where she got up and it was physical or did anything like gotten her face or anything like that. I think it does get a little overblown because that is something that like that person just said, phones would have come out at some point or somebody would have gotten involved. You would think. So the fact that it didn't and we're not getting anything like aside from Brittany, anything specific like Meredith got out of her seat and came after or something. something. I don't think any of that stuff happened.

Well, here's what I need to happen. This entire season may hinge on this. We've done something like this before. A big moment occurred. There may or may not have been footage of it. The Heather getting punched by Jen. We spent the whole fucking season speculating, watching them speculate, talking about this black eye over and over.

over and over again and it was a bad season that was season three it was the only season they've had where i was like this isn't fun i can't do that with this if we need mary to clear it up say what she saw and the rest needs to just be chalked up to we won't see i can't do there is a third option um just considering who it involves and this i wouldn't really care for this but it would be better than the the first option that you came up with there's a chance because it's Brittany that it gets swept under the rug pretty quickly and nobody really deals with it anymore. I don't think so only because of the Meredith and Mary of it all.

I don't think Mary's going to get sweep. Well, I think Mary's, I think Mary might just start distancing herself. Look, I don't blame her, honestly. If I had a conversation with somebody and they were that delusional about it, I'd probably start distancing myself a little bit. And maybe she won't talk about it as much anymore. But because it's Brittany, I think Brittany is still going to be stuck on it.

It just matters if, everybody else is still talking about it for weeks and we still don't know what happens. Like you said, it's going to be Jen Shaw and Heather again. But because it's Brittany, I have some faith that it might blow over a little quicker. I have faith in this cast.

I have faith in this show. I'm not saying that's going to happen. It's just I had like PCSD creeping. I'm like, oh, no, we've done this before with the footage and what happened and I can't go down that path again. But I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm not even nervous that's going to happen. That was just a potential pitfall that may come from

this whole thing. But the mid-season trailer looks awesome. I'm stoked for the rest of this season. I need next week to be here sooner than later because this one's, this left me on a cliff hat. I'm like, I need to know more. I got to know what the fuck happened. But, yeah, just wow, great TV.

Great TV. We're in the good times. We're in the good times. So acknowledge it. Take it all in everybody. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.

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