Bros & Shows - In The City Filming. A Jen Shah Return? Did Brock Cheat? West and Mia Dating? (NEWS 9/23)

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

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wherever you get your podcasts. guess what it's time for the news and i didn't do anything every week same start to every show got nothing for you i think it's at this point become a bit so i'll probably just do this forever uh and act like it's on purpose it is on purpose news shows pros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows bros and shows i gotta have me my Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Scooter McGee.

First on the scene. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Ready to bring back the news. The Elliot, brother. A free-form edition. We got a lot of weird things to talk about, which is exactly what we want. Hell yeah.

Weird shit going on in our reality TV, a little bubble. And it just keeps getting weirder. I know, dude. It's a weird time. I mean, overall, obviously, but, like, I don't know if it's due to the lull, you know? Like, we're obviously picking back up, but I feel like the longer we go without a good group of shows, or at least a lot of shows going on, weird shit starts to happen to trickle out a little bit. Yeah, because the shows that we actually care about when they're on TV,

we spend so much time talking about them that when new stuff comes out that's somewhat central around the people that we're watching, we tend to just kind of add it into the episode of what we're watching, but there's not a lot on right now. So we've got a lot of little one-off news things. I'm going to start you off somewhere where you are loving it. The rapture? Sheena. Oh, might as well, actually, because if we have to deal with more Sheena,

I'd rather be raptured at the point. We're still here, guys. We have yet to be raptured. Stay tuned. There's still like seven hours left in the day. That would be electric if we got rapture. Well, it's not like we're going anywhere. I had a question about that, though.

What? Because as I was sitting here, I made a video earlier about it. But then I started to think about the logistics of it. Mm-hmm. What happens if you're inside? Do you get, like, stuck to the ceiling? I would imagine that you would just kind of transcend through. You just kind of float through.

Yeah. But that questions everything. Does it? Yes, because that doesn't, did I die? Kind of. Okay. For the rapture, yeah. So, like, in my head, of course, me being an infant,

idiot when I thought of that. Now I'm just thinking of all of these people stuck in their homes on the ceiling. Yeah, just trying to, like, swim around. It's the terrible ant from Harry Potter. Oh, exactly. When he blows her up and she starts floating around. Yeah. Everybody's just trying to, like, scrape along the walls of the ceiling to get out of window.

I wonder if it would work like that or if you would just be pinned to the ceiling. That's what I'm saying. Could I push really hard and then I would kind of like float back and float back? Like a reverse gravity situation? I don't know. That was my question. I imagine that it would just be like a beam me up Scotty situation except instead of needing to be clear of anything

you just kind of go through. Look, I mean, these are all just like houses are like physical attributes, right? We're taught to not value physical things. Sure, and everything, you know, there's error in between everything. Like everything is mostly error when you break it down to a molecular level. Sell like me on the golf course.

Jerry's 90% error, absolutely. But that's facts. Like everything to a molecular level, like the only reason that we touch things is because of like electricity and the electric current that in between. That's why you feel. But realistically, without that, you could technically go through things. So maybe, just maybe, that's what's happening. In this scenario, though, aren't we being raptured up by the creator of all things?

Right, I guess that's, yeah. Wouldn't he just have like a, he or she just have a switch? Yeah, that makes sense. Like, I'm going to turn off molecules. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, that's crazy too. If you want to get like, we're made up molecules, like I'm sick.

Anyway, let's get back to Bravost. Yeah, no, let's get a little bit more grounded here with Sheena and Brock, because Jesus, isn't that where we want to start every episode? Not sure if you saw this, but the saga continues about Brock cheating. Still, I am firmly on the side of whatever they're talking about didn't happen. I bet he cheated, but whatever the fuck they're talking about now, he didn't do these things. That's why he's forgetting these things. It's so convoluted at this point. Now it's to the point that he, like, what the fuck is?

This doesn't make any sense to me. I don't really remember cheating, but I'd meet up with people and have sex with them. There was a girl that I met up with over the course of three weeks. We didn't do a whole lot. It's not like we met up and hung out. We would just meet up and have sex in a hotel room. That's cheating. That's cheating for sure.

But I don't understand. Like, it just got so convoluted. and it further proves my theory that, again, I do think he cheated. Sure. And Sheena even goes on. I know she's got an ongoing beef with Katie Maloney, where she recently said that Katie actually proved herself to be a really good friend, so she feels bad about the things she said. She backtracked because Katie fucking roast her. Katie just absolutely bopped her.

Yeah. Shut up. But she did backtrack and went to the extent of when, and this was even before, this was when she cheated on her, that she didn't tell. That's not funny. I know. But, like, she did. She did tell Katie that this happened and she found some text messages or whatever. And Katie took that and basically took it to her grave, although now it's not at her grave because now you're talking about it, Sheena.

So we're now talking about this again, even though none of the producers know at the time, whatever. But with Brock, when this came out, it came out right before her book dropped just to drum up some interest, just to spike the sales. Oh, we got to read about Brock cheating. Which is like, by the way, I'm okay with that. Sure, yeah. I don't care about that. Yeah, market your ass. good, whatever.

But Brock probably cheated. You just didn't think of a good enough story here or maybe you didn't really want to get to the specifics because then people would start throwing real questions at you. So if you just make up a scenario that there's some girl in San Diego that he used to go and hook up with over a three-week period, doesn't remember cheating. Sure, I guess we don't really have a whole lot of questions.

My question now is, did this happen? No, probably not. I think he did cheat. I don't think it's the story they're telling. And I think that if you dug into the story that actually happened, it's probably a lot worse. And I don't think that she wants to start her life over. I think she's happy with Summer Moon. I think that she likes the life that her and Brock have.

And at the end of the day, it's their prerogative of what they want to do moving forward. Like, I'm not going to step into somebody's marriage. If they're cool, they're cool, whatever. I don't really fucking care. Yeah, but there is a line there. Once you start talking about this. Now we have to. And you're constantly talking about it, going on podcasts and writing a book.

about it. Now we're going to talk about. Now we have to speculate. Correct. If you weren't on a show, which you're going to be on the Valley next year, and everybody's excited about that, if you weren't on a show and you were just, you know, part of the VPR cast that's not really doing anything anymore, just trying to do whatever you can. We're probably not sitting here talking about it, but you're going to be an integral, unfortunately, an integral part of the Valley. So we do have to talk about things. And this is the first thing I want to talk about. And I hope that people dig into this because I do think that the Valley cast can handle themselves and if she starts being this nonsense and talking about it. I imagine that there's going to be some follow-up questions

either from Doty or Jesse or whoever. Maybe Janet gets into the mix. We know she loves other people's marriages just as much as she doesn't love her own marriage. You know, those types of things are going to happen. But if you keep talking about it, I'm not more convinced that this exactly happened, especially when your husband's sitting there saying he doesn't remember doing it. That doesn't make a lot of sense, you would have done a lot better if Brock was like, here's what happened. This is exactly what happened. I feel terrible. We've moved on from it. We're still in a good place. Whatever the fuck. I don't really care. But what this does, like we just said, is speculation starts. And now I start to put pieces together, whether they're real pieces or not, but I start to put things

together like, okay, book sales, obviously. You want to drum up some chatter about the books so you can sell more copies. You and Brock are going to be a bigger part of the Valley next year. You're trying to pad yourselves with the storyline as you enter the show people are going to talk about the cheating thing you have a built-in storyline that you can talk about you guys obviously are cool about this at this point so you've obviously chatted behind closed doors about what your plan is because if we know anything about sheena shay she's constantly plotting how to stay relevant how to have a good storyline how to get back on shows like that's all she cares about which is also funny when you see somebody like a katie maloney who doesn't care who's just

trying to live her life now and I'm sure she'll land somewhere that she wants to be but other than that she's not pining for the spotlight yeah so then when you get sheena talking shit and you get katie coming out of the woodworks it hits 10 times harder she's not going for cloud she's just telling you to shut the fuck up and then you panic and go i love katie she's a really good friend by the way brock cheetah doesn't remember what what is this timeline that's pretty much what happened so i don't know maybe she's working on the sequel to her book that's kind of where i think it's the valley launch i think because she's full time Yeah. Everything that these people do is always a move. It's always to try to stir up something a little bit crazy. Now, I think the Valley is recording currently still. I think they're filming right now. We just started filming like a month ago. So they're still doing, they're still doing everything that they need to be doing. So I imagine that Sheena's involved in a lot of things. A lot of what's going to happen. And we actually saw this towards the end of EPR's run. Sheena can't help herself. So if something is happening during filming and people are asking,

questions about things. She then goes to her podcast or she goes to someone else's podcast and tries to get ahead of it in such an eloquent way that we don't actually get to remember exactly what happened. But now we have you on tape. So when this happens, when the Valley premieres at some point in the spring, I would imagine, and we get to that point. We can now go back to September 2025 and say, oh yeah, remember when she said that on the podcast? Clearly, this is what happened. That's what she does. That's why, I mean, you called it when the book came out, that You didn't believe that Brock had cheated. You thought this was all.

You believe that he cheated, but not with what had happened in the way that they had explained it. Correct. I don't, here's the thing. I don't really care. No. Like, I really don't care about what Sheena and Brock are doing. We've obviously talked a lot about the fact that they're returning to TV in a full-time aspect, which we are fully against, but it is what it is.

The Valley has the people on the show. if ever there was a cast to keep Sheena and Brock reined in I believe this cast can do it I know Doty's not going to take any shit obviously there's a lot of tough people in this group off the bottom I think they'll be fine I'm still apprehensive

but yeah this this screams move this is a move that's all it's a move now let's move on to another move okay somebody's trying to continue I guess I should say their musical career yeah I have mixed feelings about this yeah Jesse's

Solomon is now walking the streets of New York on TikTok lives and all of these little clips that he's putting out there of his new single. Everybody loves somebody. Everyone has somebody. I don't know what it is, but the comments are incredibly mean to him. Yeah, and here's the thing. Somebody said it sounds like a 90-s sitcom theme song, and that's so spot on. It's pretty close.

I think it's also like very dev said Michael Boublea-esque. He's trying to be Boubley. Here's the thing. All right, and I truly believe this, and given what I do for a little. living like I'm all four people doing what they want to do and even if it's cheesy it doesn't matter my favorite quote is it's corny if you try it's cool if you make it correct you know so I'm not going to shit on him for marketing I also he's getting a lot of shit in the comments but at the same time he's doing like three four five hundred thousand views I I mean I think it sounds

awful I am the resident music hater of Bravo so I have to keep the same energy hey that's fine I don't care if we're in Atlanta or Potomac or wherever we might be be. People tend to try to lift their musical careers via Bravo, which good for you, if it works. Unfortunate for me because I have to listen to it. Rarely works. It rarely. Drusador, but she was established before Atlanta. Obviously, Candy, but she was established way before she's on the show. That's why she was on the show. Candy also did the, uh, the sidestep into like more musicals and like, yeah, she's a, she's completely different entity. She's, she's incredible. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Candice obviously has has, has a good career outside of Bravo.

with her singing other than that we get a lot of a lot of studio sessions that don't subjected to a lot of people like ashley derby singing on bravo yes and i don't want to do it but they make me do it because they put it in the middle of an episode that i need to watch in front of an entire workout class yeah and you know prayer is up to that workout class they were good sports but they weren't really that into it but back that's it a workout class do we even know what that event was that was their uh i know they should shifted their athleisure brand

to be more of a like community. Yeah, pretty much. I forget what it's called. They're like five steps away from being a super church. Yeah. G&A?

That's what it is. But back to Jesse, I'm not going to shit on him. I get the cringe factor. If you are out there in the comments being mean, do I see where you're coming from? Sure.

Do I respect him for continuing to put it out despite the comments? I actually do. And I don't know. I think it's corny as shit. I really do. I don't hate it, though, because that's what you want to do. It's getting views.

You know, whether it's hate views or not, it's getting views. And if it does launch, he's a good singer. He has a good voice. It's just, I don't know, the content of his music sucks. I don't know, like you said, he's going for Boubley. Like, I don't understand what he's going for. Like, I would much prefer if he's going to do these types of videos, right? If he's going to promote his song, go to a mall.

and sit at the piano and do one of those. You know what I mean? That could work. I mean, if your aim is for like some sort of variety show, which we've seen also a crap ton of on Bravo. But those tend to work because of the crowd base. Exactly. And that's all you have to do is whatever the hell you want.

We've seen variety shows on these shows. All you do is just go up on stage. You want to sing a little bit, dance a little bit, tell a couple of jokes, tell a story about the show. Lou Anne's made a career out of it. Correct. Like, people will always go to those shows, especially if they think you might have a little bit of dirt.

A night with the Grand Dom. You remember how crazy they, that shit was, and it was sold out. It's incredible. So, like, you could go that route. Going the Spotify artist route doesn't really work. It doesn't even give. It gives more SoundCloud.

Yeah, it is way more SoundCloud. I don't know, man. It's tough for me. I just, I respect the hustle. I guess he have to do something. I wonder if he quit his job. He did quit it. He got fired.

Oh, he got fired. Or mutual separation. Something like that because of the show. I guess they didn't want the publicity with the, because he was at a hedge fund or something like that. They didn't want that clashing, so I don't know if it was fired, if they parted

ways, whatever. So he is stand alone on the show. He's an influencer. Well, he is fucked if they go a different route with Summerhouse. But I think you can plug, you can plug and play West and Jesse into that. I agree with that. Although, with Amex Platinum,

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Yeah, it brings us to our next news topic, which I'm actually really excited about. Me too. Spotted in New York on a date, maybe. We can confirm it. I can confirm it. Yeah, we can confirm it. We sent a winky face to West about this with the eyes emoji,

and he responded. So this was a date. But look, I don't know what this situation is. We didn't even say who it is. It's West and Mia from Southern Hospitality. By the way, striking couple. Yeah. Amazing couple.

I love that. She's way too hot for him. But, like, yeah, he's got like a cool guy swag going on, which, you know, he's worked really hard to get there after the come down from the Sierra relationship. If you want to call it that. It works in a weird way, but more, it raised some questions about Mia's

relationship because we didn't even know that she broke up with her boyfriend. Oh, yeah, I thought they were moving in together. They were moving in together. Oh. But here's what I was just on. What if they're still dating? No, they're definitely not. Because people did start to confirm after, I think it was actually Dumois, who posted the picture of the two of them at dinner. A couple things that were noteworthy were a bunch of people from either Charleston or Charlotte that kind of know Mia, kind of know her boyfriend, did confirm that they broke up a few months ago.

Was it distance? Probably distance. That's what I kind of thought. He seems like a nice guy, but like, I remember watching Southern Hospitality. We didn't really understand. It's still a really dumb move that she ended up getting fired from her public. I assume she's back because she is filming with the show. So Leva.

She's been filming on the VPR thing and just like hire her for a couple of events and just let her act like she works there. Who cares? But we didn't know that they had broken up. I imagine it was distance. I imagine we saw a lot of her. traveling back and forth and then FaceTiming and she was doing the beauty contest down in Bahamas I believe I thought it was in the Bahamas I think she was I may have that wrong it may have been somewhere else but I think she was representing the Bahamas but I was getting very

tired of seeing her on FaceTime I was getting tired the season prior of oh we're having some really good disputes going on between Joe and Maddie and G. Lilly let's stop in Charlotte to see what Mia's up to with her boyfriend. Oh, they're just having a lovely Saturday. They're at the Home Depot. Yeah, they're cute. Congratulations. Yeah.

Good for TV. So I'm excited that they broke up. I'm sorry for the guy. I'm sorry for their relationship. Sure. But from a show watching standpoint, I'm pretty excited that they broke up because I like Mia. And I think she's really good for the show.

And she is friends with everybody on the cast. So it works really well. And I'm excited about the potential of this relationship. A West crossover into Southern hospitality? Also, now I'm just really thinking. It's spinning my wheels here. If we are getting me. younger on Summerhouse how many times season after season it was the southern charm guys are

coming up and hanging out winter house is this now i'm not saying bring back winter house because that show was hot garbage but for summer house it always worked really well when you got to see other personalities coming up and spending time in the weekends if you're which they are moving from in the city they're moving a couple of the older people out get a little younger have a little bit of a crossover where Joe and Maddie come up. Mia obviously comes up. You know, G. Lilly could be fun up there. Who knows.

But have that crossover because Southern Charms also getting a little older. They're already in the city. They're a city, Charleston. So we're good there. But this is the younger crowd from Charleston. So that can still work for a crossover. It can still work for those special episodes. I think it makes the most sense we laid out that way because, as we know, when you

launch a new show or a new cast in an old show, just because of recent bias and because of people holding on to their favorites, they tend to flounder, regardless of the quality of the show. And we can list off some of our faves that, you know, crashed and burned simply from lack of viewership. Real Girlfriends in Paris. Summerhouse, Martha's Vineyard. Like, they were good shows. It's just we did not get the audience to watch it. The only way that you can do that the right, oh, Roney is another one. But the only way you can get these. Not new Roney. No. That was bad. But the only way you can get these shows to come back is if you have familiar faces.

This makes all the sense in the world, especially if you start it now with Kyle still in the summer house, with West still, like, everybody there. And then Joe and Maddie join that crew. We need the actual passing of the torch. Now, I do think that the formula is so glaring. It's right in front of your faces. It's what I just laid out. Plus the fact that you can keep Kyle, you can keep Amanda for another season.

And next year, start to slide in a few new people. Get a little younger. Keep West and Jesse there. Kyle's a friend of. Have Sierra there. Have Gabby there. Have anybody maybe bring back, well, they're not going to bring back Sam. I guess Sam is sober now. Bring back Maya.

They can bring back other people that we know or just get younger, but keep the main core there. So we get a little bit closer to the people that are new. It's a lot less pressure on them. And you already have in the city and the works, which they're filming right now, which is our next point anyway. Then you can slide them out. And then we're already used to the new summer house. And then we don't have that weird transition period where enough people online are just talking about how stupid it is. Because you really can't look at this and say, oh, they really fucked up with Summerhouse because they got rid of Lindsay and Kyle and Carl and Amanda.

They're on another show that is Summerhouse adjacent. And Summerhouse last season was pretty much in the city. The Summer House weekends were them hanging out at the house and then going out. Yes. So it's more or less what we already have. It's just plugging and playing some younger folks that we, know, and watching shows always do better when you pass the torch on TV, look at the valley, those little crossover moments go a long way.

It gets people to watch the first episode, and sometimes that's all you need, and you cannot tell me that G. Lilly and the Hamptons would not be gold. No, it would be incredible. Yeah, it would absolutely be incredible. And those are really just those shows, those specific episodes that were used to where Craig and Austin would come up and hang out. And we had so much madness going on there. Austin burned the fucking house down.

Austin burned the whole house down because he was hooking up with Sierra and then he ended up hooking up with Lindsay and there was a whole fucking shitstorm there. And Craig was dating page. So there was already some innate crossover there. It's already built in. They're in the same age group. It makes a ton of sense. Southern Hospitality is doing really well.

If you're worried about Summer House and not really getting the ratings, people are going to continue to watch Southern Hospitality. Have an episode or two where, oh, look, it's Joe and Maddie and G. Lily coming up here. And West is dating Mia. And Mia's coming up for this. It's a lot of fun. It's easy.

It's right in front of your faces. Don't fuck this up, Bravo. West and Mia already took the first step. Not that I'm saying that Bravo needs to, like, play God with their relationship, but now we're establishing a history. Like, boom, done. So then next year or the year after, when West is up in the summer house, all of a sudden, you get Joe and Maddie pop up and Mia's there. It's messy. Yeah, I found a way I could go wrong.

How does it go wrong? West fucks it up. Oh, West could easily fuck this up. But, like, he needs his PR people, which he had trashed PR people before I imagine he's got better PR people now. God, I hope so. I really hope so. He, yeah, the ball's in his court. Don't fuck this up.

Dude, it's a layup. If it doesn't work out relationship-wise, West, just keep it amicable. Keep it cool. Yeah, dude. Please, you're going to have to see each other at Bravo Con and stuff. Just don't do a press tour about Mia. I think he learned his lesson on that one. Yeah, he had to have.

Usually I kind of rule against that, but either way, it's right in front of him. Just do it. Don't fuck it up. And by the way, we'll produce it. In the city is filming. Oh, yeah. I saw that. Immediately pick up cameras right after Summerhouse.

So I do think there is going to be a little bit of a transition at the end of this season of Summerhouse. We're definitely going to get that scene. Because Lindsay's, let's be very honest, I don't see Lindsay coming back to Summerhouse unless it's a cameo. She's not going to be, I don't think, in the house that much. Her baby's going to be, well, Gemma's going to be two at that point by next summer. That's pretty wild to even think about. So she's already filming. picked up cameras pretty much immediately.

People are now spotting it. So we're going to get a lot of news from this show from a cast standpoint alone just to see who's filming with the confirmed cast members, which right now the only confirmed cast members we have are Lindsay, Kyle, Amanda, Andrea, and his wife Lexi. Those are the only five that we have. I'm sure there's a couple others mixed in. The scene that I saw, rather the picture of the scene that I saw, was Kyle sitting down with what looks like an older guy, not really sure who he was.

Could be a new castmate. Could just be Kyle sitting down and talking about maybe moving. Maybe buying a new house. Don't know. No. No, I don't need to start off with that storyline. Fuck that. Moving to the burbs.

Who knows what's going to happen there? I'm so over that one. I'm fucking done with that storyline. Maybe he's subletting Carl Lindsay's apartment. Oh, the rad house? Yeah. Yeah, God. That could happen.

You can still rent that one in Nashville, that Airbnb. Hub house. Hub house. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. But, yeah, so we're going to get a lot. a lot more information about that just from people on the streets who are obsessed with it because every time I go on TikTok, now there's a video of somebody going to soft bar. There's a video of somebody filming Andrea walking around the city. Like, ooh, where's he going? Let's follow him to a

potential scene. Creep. That's the problem now is that we now know that you're filming. Not that it's like really easy to hide that, but in New York it's usually easy to hide. It's just, there's just so much buzz surrounding this. Good. That's a good thing. Which is awesome. Like I'm pumped about it. But there's so much. buzz surrounding it and if they do it right you could potentially be done filming this right around the time that you're maybe like mid-season for summer house you just kind of key it up a little bit easier we have the season finale of summer house reunion right in or a little overlap finale of summer house that night in the city well it's going to be

well if i had to guess even need to do that to be honest no with this one you don't it's too easy but if you wanted to have that transition scene you just have lindsay say goodbye to the summer house drive into the city and then bang the new episode starts it could be kyle and amanda driving it doesn't really matter again it's in front of your face don't fuck it up these guys like it's this one's easy this one's really easy like if you if this fails it just proves that you guys aren't trying anymore yeah so i'm sure like i said in the coming weeks we're going to have more pictures of more scenes, more potential castmates. They might just stick with the five of them.

There's a possibility that they do that. I think it's the five plus cameos. It's going to be the five plus cameos. You might get a little page. You might get a little bit of West, Jesse, Sierra, whatever it might be. You're going to see some familiar faces on that show. But either way, it is such an easy show. It's an absolute layup.

It's an extended summer house season. We already love these people. They have a good cast. Everybody wanted Andrea back. You got Andrea back. You had his wife. We don't even know his wife. I'm excited about his wife. Yep, same. So, yeah, that's great. But I do want to change course here, and we're going to go back to the West Coast with another one of our faves.

Yeah, La La La. The only reason I want to talk about this, and I don't give a fuck about her rebranding, she's no longer Give Them Lala. I understand the rebrand. The rebrand is that, and it owned Give Them Lala. Then I respect the move. Yeah, so I think this was her finally severing ties from that. And what a way to sever ties, because her first guest on, what the hell did I say her? untraditionally la la la which indicates that there might be a traditional la la la somewhere else

probably in utah she's from utah there you go yeah that's it yeah lauren um so her first guess was amber childers childris childress i looked it up on i mdb i believe it's childres who childers childers who is randalls ex yes who was if you watch the show you she was candace in you oh my god wait a minute yeah from the first season joe's ex girlfriend from the first and, like, second or third. The blonde? Yeah, she was blonde, and she was also redhead. She's the one that he tried to bury alive, spoilers.

Wait a minute. You might be. No, no, no, I'm all caught up. He does have a lot of girlfriends and ex-co-friends. So the first one, like, not the girl that he stalked in the first one? No, no, not, not, not, the also crazy one. The amazingly crazy one that came back to haunt him in the second season. I got to look her up. Hold on.

Yeah. So the second season was with love. Love is who I'm thinking of. On the West Coast. Love is who I'm thinking of. Candace popped up and started dating Love's brother to get back at Joe after Joe tried to bury her alive. That's this actress. I just typed in Amber's Childress. What an idiot. Probably should still pop up. Was Amber with a Y?

Yeah. So who's wrong there? Not you, buddy. You're not wrong there. Okay. I know who this is. No, I was thinking love because forever and always in my head, I woof you will not leave because that show is great. Why you have ruined. Like literally every time that we even talk about this show, you just say, I can't get I woof you out of my head.

Because it ruined the show. Yeah, I know. It didn't ruin the show. The show was great, but. It took me, it took the suspension of reality away from me. I was all invested in that I woof you. I was like, shut up. I love the people that, like, try to pit known TV serial,

killers against each other, and they're like, who would win? Dexter. And they put, like, fucking Joe up there. No, Joe would get wet. Joe gets way too emotionally invested. He would die immediately. Dexter would have him in a second. Dexter wins everybody.

Yeah, and then maybe Hannibal Ector and Dexter can, like, battle it out for the top. That would be sick. I'm into that one. And then you can throw Dahmer in there somewhere. I guess he's a real scene. He's a real one. Yeah. Yeah.

Just because people have played him on TV a bunch of times. Evan Peters was incredible. You know, he had to take a break from, like, everything because he dove so far. He popped up. I'm still watching One Tree Hill. He popped up in One Tree Hill. Did he? Yeah. He's, he's before, like, American Horror Story. Horror Story, yeah. He's fantastic. He is fantastic. But her first, sorry, we just got sidetracked. Crazy there. Her first guest is Amber, who is Emmett's wife, Ms. X, wife. From the whole crossover, was she a mistress? Wait a minute. This is the, wow. Now I, yeah. Now, I don't believe.

that they got into the whole confirmation of whether or not there was crossover um is it like an unspoken like it literally it just dropped like yesterday so and I'll be I'll get the cliffed out honest

chat GPT can do it for me I'm not watching that shit I just I can't watch Lala do anything unfortunately we have two in the valley um oh yeah yeah that too so that was her first guest which I think is kind of fitting honestly

If you're a strong, it's a strong branding to try to sever ties fully from him, then this is the way to do it. Look, Lala bugs me to death, but I'm on board. I respect the shit out of cutting ties with Randall in any way, shape, and form. I keep calling him Emmett. Yeah, Randall, Mett, Emmett, Randall, whatever the fuck his name is at Slee's bag. But, yeah, I respect the move. You know, separate ties, starts your own thing. And big, hey, I love the first guess.

This is one of the few times that I will give them Lala problems. Give, well, we're not given, nobody's given any Lala. That's what, I was a joke. Untraditionally, no. Untraditionally props. Yep. That's where we're going to leave that one. Hell yeah.

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this last piece of information here is a bit of a dozy really gets the old thinker going there was no no big deal here but we were all

and watch what happens live so we understand in the interim in commercial breaks and he does talk to the crowd. He works the crowd a little bit. He was working the crowd last week, and it was right after Salt Lake's premiere. Usually, it's just a little interaction back and forth, boom, boom, boom. Somebody gets to ask a question. The question was, if you were given the

opportunity to bring back Monica Garcia and Jen Shaw, would you do it? He crossed over, completely just glossed over Monica, and went right for Jen and said, honestly, I never want to see Jen Shaw again. Somebody filmed that and put that on TikTok right away. Jen has responded From prison From prison on Instagram Saying I don't really understand this Because my people had a great conversation

With the Bravo people And it was actually very nice and pleasant Doesn't really indicate whether or not She was talking about a comeback Or if this was sort of like an exit interview Before she went to prison Whatever it may have been I do believe that she probably did have a conversation

With Bravo people And they probably were pleasant And I imagine Andy was part of that Like yeah yeah yeah This is what happens when you do shit So for him to now say this kind of raises my eyebrows a little bit. Here's the thing.

Did he misspeak? Because they did cut off the video and nobody seems to know what happened afterward. Was he joking? Does he have some sort of indication that maybe she'll be able to come back into the fold? I'm going to take it for face value and say, we're not going to see Jen Shaw back on Salt Lake because of that. I would be surprised given the circumstance. It's not like, you know, Teresa, who it was like tax fraud.

Yeah. Like, Jen Shaw hurt a lot of real people. So I don't want to see her back because of that. Now, if I'm going to just cut and dry, look at this face value, I'm not going to believe the convict. Right. You know, on the flip side, Bravo being Bravo, if you look at the way Andy said it,

if you really want to put your tinfoil hat on, I hope I never see her again in here, does not say she is not coming back here. And if Andy knows anything, it's how to drum up press. if you think this was a mistake, you are sorely mistaken. He did this on purpose. It's peak Roslick season.

He probably did not have to answer the question. Correct. And he knows what's going on. He's drumming up more press for Roslick. He's going to start the conversation, people talking about it. If anything, he could have just put this out there so that the audience decides. And he can just see how the response is, do people want her back or not. At the end of the day, if she comes back, it's going to move the needle.

Do I think she deserves to come back? Absolutely not. Would I be surprised if she does? No, I would not. I cosplay as myself watching the Salt Lake premiere with Jen Shaw coming back. Yeah. Didn't like it. Interested.

Compared it to myself last week, who was very comforting and very enjoyed when it came to Salt Lake coming back. Fitted? Yeah. I was comforted by... I said comforting. Yeah, it was very, whatever. It was very comforting to know that Salt Lake was going to be back on my screens. when Jen Shaw's back into the mix, I'm nervous.

We don't need her. Exactly. You've got a great setup in Salt Lake, probably the best setup in all housewives right now. I don't even have to say probably. It is the best setup. Everybody seems to adore this show. Everybody adores the cast. You've got a couple people out there that are just sycophants that want, for whatever reason,

which I don't really understand this because I don't think it's necessary, but they have the idea that Jen Shaw coming back means that it's going to light a fire under Heather Gay's ass. We don't need that. Heather gets a fire under her ass. She goes too far. She's good when she's comedic relief, the narrator. She's not a main character. Yeah, she just does the breakdown every premiere,

which is just kind of a funny bit at this point, and she's going to do a game at the end of the season that's also kind of a funny bit at this point. Both are by producers. Everything in between is Heather, and she's just Heather in the interim. And it's fine, and we're watching her now start to grovel towards LB, as she calls her.

So we're going to have to see how that plays out. if you throw Jen back into the mix just to maybe get under Heather's skin or see how she reacts to it, why? Like there's just no reason to do it. It's not good TV. And we already know what we're going to get with Jen. It's going to be an entire half a season of her

talking about how she's changed and she went to prison and then the back half of the season is going to be more of the same than we saw before, which is her punching Heather in the face. Correct. So why would we want her back on our screens when we have the perfect show? If this show starts, you know,

obviously not praying for this, but if the show starts to flounder and you need a breaking case of emergency, okay, I understand that. It's too good of a show right now to say, yeah, this woman's coming out of prison, let's just throw her back into the mix and see what we have. It doesn't make any sense.

I completely agree. At the end of the day, you just don't, like don't, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Right. And this show's hitting on all cylinders. And again, with Jen entering the fold, once we get the sob story of her prison sentence, which she deserved a much longer sentence.

I don't really care to hear it, then it's her trying to take over the group again. And we've gotten to a dynamic now where there's not really an HBIC, which I'm actually cool with. You know, you see people kind of pining for that center snowflake, if you will, but we don't have a clear-cut winner. I would say it's Lisa Barlow. Right. If you had to pick somebody. But even with her at the centerfold, it's not all about Lisa. To Lisa, it's all about Lisa, but the show is not all about Lisa.

I mean, the first episode was all about Lisa without Lisa being there. Let me, how do I say this? There's a lot going on and yes, Lisa tends to be at the center of it and she's, I think this season's going to be way more of her being in the center of everything. The conflict. I'm not trying to take away. But I'm okay with it.

Like this sounds like I'm disparaging Lisa Barlow as being the main character. I think she's phenomenal. I think she deserves the spotlight. My point is it's not like she's the only voice on the show. You know, like you hear from everybody and they all get involved. they check each other, which is something rare that we don't have

on a lot of shows. You look at OC, Tamara is pretty much doing whatever she wants to do. You look across the board, there's always that one person that seems to not get reprimanded, whereas in Roslick,

they will call everybody out. That being said, they tend to do it when Lisa's not there, but at the same time, we still get some combativeness. I'm not trying to take her out of the middle. She is the star of the show.

That's true. Right. It's just, it's more, I guess I would say, you have somebody who is the main character in Lisa, but it's still an ensemble cast. Yeah, I mean, it really is, and that's what they do so well.

And I don't want to take away from the women who were on that show because they've shown the last two seasons that they've moved on. I think the Monica thing was a huge turning point. They don't really take anybody's shit. No. We saw that.

You could point to the first episode of this season and say, well, you know, they talked about Lisa the entire time, but they're talking about potentially holding her accountable for something. we don't really get to see that on a lot of shows especially with producers on board yeah and we never got to see that with Jen Shaw

even when she was going to prison that was crazy so I understand you might want to just throw her into the mix and just see what you have and maybe obviously we've got a lot of confidence in the women that are on the show that they're not going to take any shit from Jen I don't even want to risk it

there's no point in risking it again unless the show starts to flounder for some ungodly reason then okay I understand why you're making that move and I'm not going to scratch my head about it. If you do it as soon as she gets back and we already hear rumors that she's coming back or she's going to be a friend of

or whatever it may be, I'm going to be furious. Yeah, same. We just don't need it. You simply do not need it. Once again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But look, who the hell knows? You never know with Bravo.

Unfortunately, and a lot of the times they do the thing that we don't want them to do. But we'll see. See what shakes out. Honestly, the motif for this entire news episode is, hey, Bravo, here's everything is just laid out in front of you. perfectly. You don't even have to do anything.

Just don't fuck it up. Just don't touch it. Don't touch it. Leave it alone. It's going to happen organically. It's going to be great. You actually don't have to do anything. Leave the ant-hull.

Be focusing on having one-off shows that we might enjoy. Yeah. Throw some shit at the wall. Sure. See what happens. Go figure out OC. Yeah. Go figure out Beverly Hills.

Focus on that. Leave these other shows alone. Just don't kick the ant hill. Leave it alone. It's fine. We're close to having some bangers. Like, we're this close to like a good, Bravo season again.

Like, let us have it. Yeah, honestly, this fall and winter are shaping up for a very good bravos. Yeah, dude. So I'm excited. I'm cautiously optimistic, as we like to say around here. We'll see how it shakes out. I think it's too easy to fuck up. I'm sure they'll take some missteps, but all in all, in the city's going to be good.

Rhode Island is shaping up to be, all the things that we've heard behind the scenes, all the back talk, if you will. Rhode Island sounds pretty solid. People seem to be really liking what they've seen of it thus far. Cast members have spoken to people. And it sounds like they got something there potentially. You don't even know when they're dropping that? We don't.

We have no idea. No clue. It's going to be poorly. We said this last week. We're like it's going to be placed somewhere random. They're going to piggyback something and they're not going to tell. They're going to do a horrible job promoting it. And then it's going to pop up on your screen after an episode of Salt Lake or something.

You're like, whoa, this is starting now? We've got Southern Hospitality coming back. We've got Southern Charm coming back. We've got Summerhouse. obviously is going to come back. That usually comes back in like February. So there's going to be a lot of shows just popping off and not to mention, which I already know what's going to happen here.

The VPR thing is going to be a huge reveal at BravoCon in November. They'll have some sort of date announced. I'm sure they're probably already done filming it. We didn't hear anything about them filming just a couple of pictures here and there. I'm sure the show is fine. Maybe already done. Who knows if it's edited. But it'll probably drop at some point early.

2026. I would imagine that's... So we're going to have a really good slate of at least interesting shows. And if they don't hit off, then we've got our mainstays. We've got Summer House. We've got Southern Charm. We'll see how that goes. Southern Hospitality's going to be a banger. And then we'll have those little interim shows where we're not really sure how to feel about them, but hopefully they bang. This is... I just thought of American Idol back in the day. She bangs. She bangs me. Oh, yeah. There you go. That's how my brain works. There you go. Anywho. Yeah, I'm excited.

I think that we've been waiting for this for a while. We haven't really had a slate that we've been genuinely pumped up about, and they have the makings to really have a Bravo resurgence with these shows, something that we haven't seen. And I think it's interesting, and then we'll wrap this up, but that, you know, we've said for a while that the focus needs to shift, that we need to start focusing on Southern Hospitalities, those types of shows.

next gen i thought was going to stink it did not it was good and so i'm glad and that's what this kind of feels like as we enter this next season overall with all these shows coming out it seems like they took the hint from the audience and said okay let's put more time and effort into these shows while we try to figure out what the fuck's going on with real housewives but at least we have these so bravo bravo you you've got a chance here so don't step on your own toes and we'll be cool that's all i got though you got anything else Nope. Wow, what an optimistic episode from us.

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