Bros & Shows - Is Dorit Obsolete? ( RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 22, 2023

What's up Bro's? We are in Beverly Hills with the RHOB-HUH Ladies and this season is really starting to heat up! Things are getting more and more strained between Kyle and Diorit as Kyle's friendship with Morgan Wade is seeming to effect her relationships elsewhere. Dorit is having a difficult time processing the new dynamic between her and Kyle and it's causing her to look elsewhere in the group for support. However her brand of support comes with her talking smack about the other ladies. Garcelle and Dorit end up getting into it because Dorit attempts to drag Crystal for simply pointing out that Dorit was talking trash behind Sutton's back about drinking. Garcelle calls her out and blames her privilege for her lack of understanding. Dorit defends herself and ends up alienating herself from the entire group. We're seeing a panicked Dorito without her support from Kyle and as this group continues to evolve with the absence of Rinna and Kathy we are seeing a LOT of new dynamics enter the scene. All that and more!!!! This episode is brought to you by Bubly Sparkling Water! No calories, no sugar, no artificial flavors, ALL SMILES! Go to Bubly.com to purchase or to find a store near you! Time Stamps: Rose and Thorn (6:09) RHOBH (15:00) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only schlutes m'glutes what's up dude let me be the first to wish everybody a merry christmas mary christmas start this off on a good note baby hey christmas just kidding i have a pimple inside my nose i told you about it the other day it fucking sucks it's still there it's still there i think it's there i think i popped it i don't know you know how that goes yeah it's inside i have no idea so i think i popped it i'm trying to leave it alone but i go on ticot last night first video that pops up some like fucking dermatologist talking about how getting a pimple inside your

nose is one it's called the triangle of death oh that sucks yeah that's two if it gets infected it goes straight to your brain and you die so that's what i'm the old one here's to hoping yeah you're telling me that's a way to go out that shooter die i ate a pimple inside his nose popped it died oh what did the bermuda triangle that's what did the triangle of death did you say triangle of death that seems like it hurts so bad it seems like a gross exaggeration yeah i don't know dude it's it sucks i know how much it hurts but the triangle of death Yeah. Why is it a triangle? Because your nose is a triangle. I mean, yeah, I suppose. Underneath. Like you go, you know.

I mean, it's also a triangle. This is a lot of triangles. Can we not do geometry with the nose? It's not really geometry. It's just shape identification, I guess. Right? Is that what geometry is? That's geometry. Just more intricate shape identification. Yeah. Math. Welcome back to the math, bro. I love getting you started on math. You hate math. So I'm not a math fan. I just don't. Here's my thing with math. Unless you are in a. profession in which you need to know like really serious calculations and I appreciate that if you are if you're not or not planning to be I like the whole thing

in school and they're like you can't use a calculator when in my adult life am I going to do math without a calculator I am not is the question is the answer to that question unless it's like simple addition if it's an actual equation I'm using a calculator so it's not realistic for you to tell kids

in school not to use a fucking calculator well no that was that was just our generation and the generation before us that was told, you're not always going to have a calculator. Now we have one in our pocket. We literally always have a laptop. Like Excel, a calculator. Yeah, I get it.

I understand it. But I do like doing math. I like doing it in my head. Yeah, I like doing it in math in my head. You like doing it math? I like doing math. That's cool. Sick.

Doing it. Sick. Maybe you should join like a math club for adults. I was in a lot of math club. Oh, for adults? Yeah. Oh, man. That's like a, I'm not going to say.

Never mind. I'm not doing it. Not offending people today. We're going to steer clear of all of that. even though we did get a request yesterday for me to go on my jam band rant but you have a plan you say so we're just going to stick to that i don't have a plan so this is even better i would love for you to finally dip a toe in it's going to be organic i don't want to just do you don't want to jump in no why just i don't want to you know what here's your your lead in that the guitar player or drummer from iration follows us he followed us like a month ago i don't know who iration is the jam band it's exactly the bands that you do not like well if you follow follows us. I don't want to piss them off. He unfollows us. Other than Iration. I don't care who that is. Do you remember Dave Matthews concerts? Did you go to those?

Fucking dirty. Yeah, but that's like jam band light. No, no, no, I know. I'm just saying, do you know? Yeah, we used to tailgate them. I don't know if I ever, no, I probably went into a couple of them. I went to one with, it was him, Jack Johnson, and ALO was actually a cell. Oh, I was at that concert. Yeah. Yeah, I was there. Penn's Landing. Yep. Yep. See? Boom. It was there. Yeah, but that's the thing is, like, Penn's Landing for everybody in the Philadelphia area, a lot of the Penn's Landing tailgates and a lot of the Camden tailgates kind of merged together. So I don't know which is which anymore. It's reasonable. Except for the one, oh, the one concert was Kanye and Rihanna. That was sick.

Low in the dark concert. Yeah, that was when they handed out those, they handed out those sunglasses that made no sense. I had the ones that had shutters. Shutters in front of them. They made absolutely no sense. I forgot I went. I saw Kanye and the Diamonds are Forever tour. I don't think that's what it was called.

as it was isn't it because that's what we all did the whole time was put your diamonds in the sky he did that for a lot of different concerts though now we're just going down a different rabbit hole also Kanye problematic now so we're going to get yelled at old Kanye look I think you can trace

the downfall of society back to the downfall of Kanye when he started losing his shit is when everything started getting wacky in the world as well it's like parallel to I'm just saying I was saying, when he lost his mind, the world lost its mind as well. Is it correlated?

I don't know. Just a coincidence, perhaps. Are you looking it up right now? I'm looking up the tour name. I thought you're looking to see how many selfies you had. Maybe it was the glow in the dark tour. Yeah, it was the glow and the dark tour. When did the diamonds or forever come out?

Before that. That's a completely different thing. Glow in the dark tour was like graduation. Okay. I don't know when I went. I definitely saw him live, though. I just, I didn't know that until you said that. Yeah, we were there.

We went through a lot of the same concerts. just because we were degenerates and we decided to go to Camden to sit in a parking lot and drink for hours. When we were 17 years old. Yeah, sometimes we would go to the concert. Occasionally. We went to Phillies games in high school. We would go drink in the parking lot until the fifth inning by a $14 ticket and go stand in like the 300 section for two innings. We would.

Or if it was a playoff game, we would go in like the second inning. Yeah. Still not there for the beginning of the game. No. And if you go to the right back in the day at least, you went to the right section up top, they didn't card you when you bought beers. And they were cheaper. And they were cheaper. They were cheaper.

Because people didn't want to walk up there. Yep. So we would go there and we would house beers and watch the bills. It's not much different than what I do now. Nope. We were 16, 17, 18, doing it. Yep. Woo.

Let's go. High school. But it is our end of the week episodes. So let's do our Rose and Thorne. So why don't you lead us off there, champ? I don't really so. It's funny because it's been such a great week for us with just, you know, being on. Wait a minute.

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So come out, support, get them picks. It's going to go well. I mean, we're going to put on a great show. Oh, yeah, I know that. It's up to the fans to support the well. show yeah yeah so it's a ball's in your court yeah everybody's in your court don't let us down i don't know i i like the meet and greet after the show because you know what you get everybody has a great time everybody gets a little lubed up if you will yeah a little loosened up a couple

a couple of drinks out in the audience yeah lewd up's a little weird right i don't love that let's get everybody everybody gets a little lubed up a little oiled up a little bricked up before the meeting greet up before the meeting greet i'll be bricked up the whole show but uh but yeah no i like the afterwards because we do the meeting we did the meeting green once before and i was so tired of smiling yeah i don't smile that much in my life as it is nothing to smile about over here you're smiling right now i know this makes me smile self-deprecation makes me smile anyway get your tickets come see the bros it's going to be a great night damn right damn right now back to rosen rosy rosy thorny like i said not a bad week for us we had a great week

Uh, my phone is still on selfies because Steele and I were looking at how many selfies we had yesterday when we were on Dada Bowling Show. Yep. And, uh, yeah, uh, we'll get into that a little bit later when it's appropriate when we're talking about Salt Lake. My thorn of the week, which isn't really a thorn. It's just somebody that commented on one of our YouTube's. Um, I am Tierra Hogan said, you guys should recap two T's and a pod with the Tom's. They talk about the scandal. Yes, it's hard to listen.

But I feel your guy's commentary. be hilarious. I could not physically get through it. I don't think I could do it. And I think you're right, Tierra. I think it's a good idea in theory. In theory, it's a good idea. I just, I can't do it.

I cannot sit, let alone sitting through just the two of them talking, having to listen to Sandoval, I don't think I could do it. No, and the vitriol that would come out of our mouths in response to this podcast would set us back mentally. I don't know if I'd have to do like 15 minute increments, although it's probably very similar to Bethany show where every five minutes there's a 15 long minute ad so sure I don't know I'd rather listen to the ads however I don't think we can do it not a bad idea but no my rose of the week has to do with what we were talking about last week we made a very obscure reference

talking about forget about a ka yeah I know it's and we did get a couple of people that chimed in and sent us messages on on Instagram about it this was the funnier one that I saw this review of all time. Yeah, Steele and I were playing video games last night and he brought this up and I thought it was hilarious. This one comes from Brina 253. My husband and I quote this movie all the time. This comes from Fast and Furious 2. Sure it is. Like we said, too fast, too furious, but that's okay. It's okay. It's okay. She said FF2, which is fine because there's 11 of them now. But like we said, we hungry. We hungry. Love that one. And pockets ain't empty because is one of my favorite things ever. That was the best. That's at the end of the movie when Paul walkers walking away from uh the villain of that one which was i don't remember what his name was who was i i mess up because these two movies came out i'm stuck very close together no i'm i'm stuck on bad boys two villain oh i know that one yeah and he dates uh uh uh eva mendes who's also in fast of furious too oh shit so yeah it's just all over the place no i'm sorry i'm sorry no even Mendez is not in bad boys too no this is just what happens yeah she is in bad boys two or

she in bad boys one she's in bad boys two there's bad boys two no no sister bad boys two is about yeah martin's sister bad boys one is even men yes okay all right that's that's where i'm getting all messed up here but yeah some furious too fast too furious the villain was it was a similar setup as like the you got the drug lord dude yeah like going to rob that boys two was uh johnny Yeah, that's Johnny Tilapia was number two. And too fast, too furious, I can see the guy's face. I forget his name, but I see whatever it is. But yeah, great movie, great call out.

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with us January 25th in New York City. But now on to my rose and thorn, you definitely took my rose, but that's okay. It's okay. It was one of the best roses we've gotten, so I get it. But I'll start out with my thorn, and you brought this up on our earlier episodes this week, and it was like a rose for you, or you thought that it was a nice comment. I hated this comment. This comes from Fan of Ray, and I'll give the name a shout out.

because it's a five-star review, but it's my thorn. And it says simply better, okay? It says better, which is patronizing. I don't appreciate it. And it goes like this. I enjoy the podcast. Seems like you guys have gotten a bit more comfortable. There was a moment where you both seemed angry and mean,

and I was ready to quit the podcast, but I'm back in. I like the banter. My only complaint is steal impersonating people, except it's the same voice for everyone. For some reason, it triggers my gag reflex and makes me uncomfortable. so let me unpack this i didn't read that last one i know you didn't read that part so let me unpack this whole thing first and foremost this person had commented previously and i remember this comment because they said you guys seem like you're angry that was the midst of oc and you will get our

actual emotions on this podcast sometimes we will be upset because what we're watching we're not enjoying and that will come out in the podcast as far as the impersonations go there's just that is not true i have a similar one for lisa barlow and meredith marks yes i have a similar one for all British people. It goes to the P.K. one. Yep. But other than that, like my Shep voice is only for Shep voice. Sheep voice is really good and you already inherently sound like Craig. So you don't really have to impersonate people that either one have a funny voice or two are pissing us off.

Right. I try not to do it a lot because I don't want to be annoying like I'm just trying to do impersonation. Did you just say, though, that you use Meredith and Lisa together and all British people sound the same. I did not say all British people sound the same. I said my accent for British people is just. the same one. I use the P.K. accent. I am not. That's just simply untrue. Okay. Don't gaslight me right now. That's bullshit. I love that comment. I thought that comment was good because I, look, I understand how it feels. It reminded me that times right now are good. We have a lot of good shows to watch. And sometimes times suck. That's also true. During OC when we were very angry all the time. So I appreciated that comment because it kept me grounded. Okay, cool. I hate it. I'm a hard

guy to keep grounded. Yeah, that's true. That's, that's very true. Yeah. But my rose comes from Nini 9497 and says A plus five stars. My favorite podcast to listen to, though I tend to agree more with steel. Thank you. Fuck. I love the back and forth between the two of them. Love the football talk, even though I'm a Patriots fan. And as a history teacher, I love shooters take on current events. They're always fair and honest in their opinions and we'll call out even the housewives they like. 100% a fun and informative pod. I guess I'll take that. one. I still got a shout out of us. Just because she agrees with me

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if he was excited to be on camera and that was like kind of part of it i don't think he was excited to be on camera i think he was giddy because he was on camera could be that too but i also feel like this is who that guy is oh for sure and i blame what's the matchmaker his name, Alexandra? I think so. Alessandra? One of the two. A.

An A name. They're definitely an A name. That's on her because this guy sucked. Yeah, I didn't understand. This guy was such a weirdo. You are the Beverly Hills matchmaker, and this is your first person. That either speaks to the quality of your business or maybe something is difficult to matchmake with. Yeah.

It never goes well when you start talking about weather right away. First, I mean, he also said he's a sweaty, sweaty man. Which is very funny. I actually, when he said that, I was like, oh, this might work. He's a little clumsy, too. But the funny thing to me was her response to that, her reaction. I was like, you can't have a weird reaction to him saying something weird. You told some other guy you had neuropathy in five seconds of your.

That's a really good point. Yeah, it goes both ways with Sutton. She reacts to weird comments in a weird way as if she's turned off by them. But she does the same thing. That's what I was like. So you can't have it both ways. this guy outweirded when he started to talk about his mommy

too much I was like my man in the beginning like initially he started talking about it was like okay that's kind of sweet I get it like you want to spend time with your mom before she passes if you left it there I still would have been like not a great topic but fine yeah because then at least he has the family values

right but then he starts to go into you know I'm assuming they live together which again is fine if you're taking care of her but I wouldn't highlight every single worry about being about you and your mother, because that's weird. Very weird. On a date that you don't know this person. Very, very strange.

And I loved the end of it when they're walking out. And they both just say, yeah, have a good night. Yeah, I love when they stand up from the table, he goes, ooh, diggin' no shoes. God, dude. Like, yeah, no, this is not Sutton's fault, but she, he is not getting a second date. No, he's not. It's not on her. No, but there might be someone new in the picture.

Could be. No, this is, you know, might have heard something. Talking inside sources? Maybe. Perhaps. We can't talk about those things. I can divulge these things. I said maybe.

It just did. I said maybe. Anyway, moving on from there, we get Anne-Marie, Kyle, and Dorit, and they can't help themselves. They have to continue to talk shit about Sutton's esophagus. It makes no fucking sense to me. But what I did see, and this is like a foreshadowing for what happens throughout the rest of the episode, and I have a big, big Dorit theory for later.

But she's really upset. because Kyle has a new show that she's producing and it sounds like a big deal and has not even mentioned it to Doreet and she's like, what the fuck? And then there's a joke Doreat's like, oh, what, did you get any more tattoos? Ha ha. She's like, well, as a matter of fact and then goes into the story about

her tattooing Morgan Wade and Dorete has the same exact reaction as most people should have. Like, whoa, that's really serious. Yeah. You inked someone's body permanently. So they've been friends for two years? Two years. That's wild to me. Two years. Well, sorry. No. One year.

Kyle corrects it to two And I don't know if that's a legitimate too Or I'm trying to say face here No, no, no, it's more like two years, but whatever That's what I got That's the, it doesn't matter, really It still felt weird. Two years is still too, like,

Right. To Dereet's credit, you've known her forever. You don't have a D on your body. Nope. Well, she doesn't have an M on her body. Regardless, you know what I'm saying. She didn't, yeah, she didn't tattoo Doreet with a K. Correct, but you know what I'm saying.

I know what you're saying. The point is, you're much close. closer with three, you haven't made this grand gesture for her, and this rubs her the wrong way. And now she's starting to feel disconnected from Kyle and says that ever since she's been hanging out with Morgan, it seems as though she's been replaced. It seems as though Kyle is starting to like morph into Morgan Wade, which honestly is like the best way I could put it, because it does seem as though she's taking on a lot of Morgan's characteristics.

I don't know if that's because she envies them. I don't know if that's because they're hanging out together a lot. She just likes those qualities. I'm not really sure what it is, honestly. She could just be doing that. Like, we see it all the time with people. When you start dating someone new, you kind of take on their qualities or their hobbies or whatever it might be.

When they start, what? Taking on their qualities or hobbies. When you, what, start dating somebody. Yeah, I know. I know what I'm saying. They are dating. Why are you so feisty? I'm not feisty.

What are you talking about? I'm agreeing with you. I'm trying to highlight a point that you're making. You agree with me in a weird way. I'm trying to highlight a point. I thought you were, I thought you were correcting a presentation. Trying to highlight the fact that you are purposely saying dating. Proposely.

You were going to say purposely, weren't you? No, just move on. I can't. No, anyway. So when somebody starts dating someone new, they take on their qualities and their hobbies. Like, all of a sudden, you're hiking every weekend and you said that you hate hikers, like things like that. Those are the things that are popping up now with Kyle and Morgan. She all of a sudden wants more tattoos and she wants to live this free life.

and she talks about Morgan all the time. It's just really weird to see. I'm happy that people had the reactions in front of Kyle's face because she can see how weird it is. However, she wasn't turned off at all. She laughs at it. And she corrects them and says that she's even leaning more into these things. It's very weird behavior, very strange behavior.

I wish that Doret could just call her out directly. But she couldn't really. I feel like she was too hurt. Kind of like, oh, you replaced me as a best friend. So I'm going to kind of cower on the corner over here and make a couple of comments. but she didn't go after her. I also,

which is annoying. That's Doreet's M.O. though. She's only going to go to, she will call things out in a weird way. The way she words things is never fully direct. Yeah. But that could also just be a product of what Kyle's doing.

Perhaps. By bringing in somebody like Anne-Marie and Doree because they're not going to question her behavior too much. And that's not what she wants. Anne-Marie needs to go away. She sucks, she's brutal. I don't get it.

I still don't understand it. You had a clean slate. You got rid of Rina. You don't have Kathy Hilton on the show anymore. see what you have. You have a good group of women here that are going to produce a good show. And so far it's been really good. And it's been living up to the standards.

This episode was great. This episode was awesome. And there's a lot more that goes into it. You do not need to bring in another housewife. It makes no sense, especially somebody who's just going to be a yes man to Kyle. The fact that she's commenting on Sutton is though she's been friends with her as long as these other women have. She's like, what's her deal? It's like, you don't know her deal.

You have no idea who she is. You making all these claims and all of these comments. about her is a horrible look for you. Even if Sutton was the worst person in the world, you talking like this without knowing her makes you look stupid because you don't know her. It also makes people question your profession. Right. You're supposed to be an anesthesiologist. You know how many people have reached out not only to us, but just in general, like seeing people post certain things from other housewives. Tiffany Moon, who's from real housewives of Dallas, has a same esophageal problem. So she talked about it. Doctors have come out and said things.

doctors have messaged us in our DMs and said, no, I deal with this frequently. It's a common thing, actually. A lot of people have to deal with it. And the fact that a nurse anesthesiologist, whatever the fuck she is, who knows, it even works. An anesthesiologist is claiming this is alarming because somebody in the medical profession should know about just having, you can have a problem with any part of your body. That's what's crazy to me is for someone to say, that's not real. It's like there's so many illnesses and medical issues out there that. that are head to toe.

Why would you ever claim that it's not real? It's just a way for Amory to help out Kyle, I guess. It's not that. I guess it's the only thing that she's latched on to. She does not speak about anything else that's going on in the group. There's a lot of material. You just sat at that weed dinner. You could have talked about Eric and Denise.

You could have talked about, I mean, yeah, you're going to talk about Sutton because she's a little polarizing. You could have talked about if you want to be Garcell's friend. If you want to be Kyle's friend, you can talk about how Garcel approached. talking about Kyle and Maricio. You can do so many things. Why are you honing in on the esophagus problem when it's not something that you should be talking about?

It's a real issue. It's something that Sutton has brought up and what? You're honing in because Sutton is clumsy and you want to just like pick apart all the words that she says? No, she's honing in because Kyle doesn't seem to like Sutton. Right.

And he wants to look good in front of Kyle. So she latches on to the let's shame Sutton train. Yeah, it's just not, it's not necessary because Sutton is right now, I think most people would agree, except for Matt Rogers, who we talked about last week, and I think even Donna said the same thing yesterday, most people would agree that Sutton is carrying the season. Sutton is doing a great job this year. Sutton is pushing this season forward with whatever the fuck she's doing. Anytime that she speaks, anytime that she gets involved in something, it helps. It does.

Let's just let Sutton do that. We don't need this brigade trying to bring her down off of one issue when Kyle's going through a lot right now. That's what you're doing. You're deflecting this, and Amory's helping you, I put in air quotes because she's not. It just doesn't make any sense. Get her off the show. Agreed. But we move on.

And this is one of my favorite scenes in a very long time on this show. Oh, yeah. And we get Erica and Garcell sit down to have drinks. And Erica immediately takes ownership in a confessional where she's like, you know, this friendship got derailed because of me. That was my fault because of the things that I said. Huge to say. I know. It was massive to see that.

So to see those two having a nice time. but we get a third person join, and it was a surprise, and surprise, here comes Sutton. And now you've got this whole group that never would have been seen together last year, that had a lot of issues amongst each other. Each one had individual issues with the other person. Sutton and Eric had a problem,

Garcel and Eric had a problem, separate from each other. Yep. So to see them all come together and not only be cordial, but have a blast, they're doing shots, they're drinking martinis, they're getting loaded. They're talking shit on Denise. Yeah, they're having. in a great time.

Nobody made any, like Sutton made some weird comments too. I know. I didn't jump down her throat. Marcel didn't make excuses for Sutton. It was organic. It was fun to watch. I think we were,

you got on train too, but I think I was a year early on the Sutton and Erica being friends train. Oh, yeah. They are now. Like, it's getting to that point. Erica even said that she wanted to send Sutton a little thing that she saw on the internet

about, you know, being from down south. You don't gossip. You pray for them. It's funny. It just works. it makes a lot of sense and it's like they're having a great time and i'm having a great time watching i am too and you know when i realized in this scene where it was like actually clicking is when

garsell makes the joke about sutton making out with her driver yeah and it goes well sutton laughs it off she's like you know sometimes he invites you sit up front he leans in accidentally i lean accidentally and he accidentally kiss that whole thing was fun it was funny it was lighthearted they made a jab at sutton about her snogging with a driver Yep. And she was totally cool with it. What was that voice? I'd just like to say the word snogging.

Okay. But I can't say it without saying it in a British accent. Okay. I just did. That was like Ron Weasley maybe? Yeah, that was Ron Weasley because he says snogging a lot. But yeah, it was just, it was a great scene and it's something that, again, last year we never ever would have thought would happen. Yeah, because it was so dark last year.

Like, we're actually having fun moments this year. We're having fun. But the next scene, Sutton signs up for Denise Richard. It's only fans. And I just, I get confused, man. I get confused. And then we talked about Magic Mike later as well, but like, what she's comfortable with doesn't make sense to me.

No. Like there's certain things when it comes to sex and sexuality where she's totally fine discussing it, making jokes, talking about dildoos, stuff like that. But Magic Mike was too far. Magic Mike was too far for some reason. And I think it's time that we just kind of put this to bed. Go to sleep, Mike. It's got to be that she just wasn't invited on stage right away.

It has to be it. has to be it. She wore the pants. She was excited to do it. You can't sit there after going out to dinner or drinks or whatever with Garcell and Erica when it's brought up to you as, no, it's basically porn. Right. The very next day having a fun time looking at it. Like, yeah, she did throw her phone when she saw the first picture. But she was just like, oh my gosh. She was still talking about it and having fun and laughing. So yeah, that's exactly what it has to be. And we can just put that to rest right now. Well, maybe not because to get spoken about later. Sure does. But in our minds, Mike go to sleep.

Mike, go to sleep. Go to sleep, Mike. No more magic for you, Mike. Yeah, you are ordinary, Mike. Ordinary, Mike. Ordinary, Mike. That's the show you see. Nobody wants to see that.

That's off the Vegas strip. God. Average Mike. Average Mike. We get Kyle and Dorit in the car on the way to a party, Crystal's dinner party, and this is where you start to see the cracks in their relationship. And this is something that we've heard more about recently.

We haven't seen it happening on the show. I mean, we've seen hints here and there. We haven't seen them discuss it at all. We haven't seen Doreet bring it up. And Doreet just flat out asked her, like, why are you not telling me things? Why am I on the outside looking in now? It seems like ever since you and Morgan got closer and closer, I've been pushed aside, which is what I thought to. But we find out from Kyle, this actually is a deeper issue going back to the reunion, or at least she's painting it that way, in which she didn't appreciate that behind closed doors.

And I 100% believe this. I absolutely believe this is. real. Behind closed doors, she was on the Kyle train. You know, I'm so sorry for what you're going that your sister's treating you like this, blah, blah, blah, blah, on stage in front of Andy. And more importantly, in front of Kathy Hilton, she does not take that stance. She more so says, you need to take responsibility for your part. And that's where I guess Kyle felt a little bit betrayed. And I 100% understand that. Yeah, I get that fully. Because, you know, Daripe behind closed doors was like a yes woman. Like, oh, of course, Kyle. Of course. Like, you're, you're so wronged. She

wrong and you left and right i'm so sorry and then you get in front of the real true hbic and kathy hilton because nobody wants to cross her except for erika jane and you falter and throw your friend under the bus so that actually makes sense happens all the time but i can't stop thinking about though kyle's reactions to not accusations but when anyone brings up anything to her about the relationship with morgan like the oddities of it the things that are strange that stand out the tattooing, the morphing into Morgan, all of these things. Kyle always laughs. She never denies. She never says, no, you're overdoing it. She just always laughs. And no one else is laughing. It's uncomfortable. And I think that it really shows you how far into this relationship

with Morgan is. And it's getting harder and harder for me to not call it out as more than a friendship. Yeah. I mean, it absolutely is. And I think the way that Kyle's looking at it, and I think that she knows it's inappropriate, but she won't have been it, she talked about how You know, she stopped drinking. She talked about how she works out more often. She's talked about how those things make her happy. They make her feel good. They make her feel like she's back in life again or whatever you want to say.

Morgan falls under that category. Her relationship, her friendship with Morgan falls under that category. The most happy that we've seen Kyle this season is FaceTiming with Morgan or laying around getting tattoos with Morgan. She is genuinely happy when she's around Morgan or talking about Morgan. That's where the laughing, the weird uncomfortable laughing, comes in. She's just fucking happy that Morgan's being brought up into a conversation. So I thought. She hears Morgan's name and she smiles. I thought she

was happy to hear Dereke compare her to Morgan. Absolutely. A thousand percent. She is excited to talk about Morgan. You can't have it both ways, though. You cannot go into that music video. You can't have Morgan coming around. Tattooing Morgan with a K. You could do whatever the fuck you want. In that scene, I thought all she did

was put a circle on her body. You put the K on her body. That's questionable behavior. She knows deep down that it's questionable behavior. People aren't directly questioning it to her face. I hope that we get to that point at some point. And I hope that we get to see her true feelings on the matter. Right now, I think that she fully understands that it's very bad behavior. And she just doesn't shy away from it. She just laughs it off and acts like it's a big joke because what else you're going to do? If she gets upset about it, then it shows, okay, this is a huge sticking point for me. Don't talk about

Morgan. Don't do this. This isn't a problem. If she leans too far the other way, then it is a real big problem people are going to ask about it so she just laughs it off yeah no that's well said but we get to crystal's dinner party and it's quite the crew you know you get bill burrs white nea is there um you get a bunch of other friends and somebody i think it's derit's like it never ceases to amaze me how many friends that crystal has and she takes a day get her like you know it's 14 less than this number she had like three or four friends show up i love that i know she had like so many friends so many friends it's three or four people that we haven't seen but the more confessionals with her i'm going to keep highlighting Doreet and like all the stuff I'm seeing from this episode because it's important to what happens later.

And like all of the side comments, she's taking jabs at a lot of people right now. She's talking to a lot of people right now. And I'm going to save the theory because I want to bring it up when it's the most appropriate. But just keep everything that Doret's doing in mind as I want the theory. We'll get there. But we're at the dinner party and Denise comes in and her excuse for the other night was a fever of 102 degrees. Love that. That's how I act on a fever.

I think you would act like that if you had 102 fever and you drank a whole lot, then you would act that way. But, I mean, come on. You just got to own that. You can't watch it back and go, see, I was sick. Look how sick I was. That's also a problem. Why are you showing up the public events in this COVID world? Yeah.

While you're sick. Yeah. Coffing all over people. Super spreader. Super spreader. Disgusting. But Sutton and Durit start chit chatting a little bit. And we get a little clip of that.

Doreet trying to snipe Ovi. She's trying to take him away. Oh, yeah. And look, I get it. Avi's a great dude. I've talked to Avi, actually. And, yeah, I understand the appeal, but you're trying to, you're trying to poach an assistant. Yep.

I would imagine in Hollywood, that's... Can't do that. There's no way that that's not frowned upon. It's definitely frowned upon. It's got to be around the bottom of things. But they start talking, and Sutton calls her out for trying to take Avi from her. And she's like, are you going to stop accusing me of things that I didn't do? It's like, you did.

We watched. we watched it happen both things you've done both things that she's accusing you of doing 1,000% correct the vodka in the coffee and this and Sutton brings up she goes are you going to stop accusing me of putting vodka in my coffee and she starts to deflect like I've never seen she's like I never said that I wasn't accusing you of that you don't even drink coffee so there you go you're missing the point she's missing the point I found it kind of funny that Sutton just let it go by agreeing and saying oh that was an easy one I was baffled it didn't make any sense I think that she just wanted to kind of put push it by and not really care about it. I think that's the effect of going out with Erica and Garcel. She was able to just sit back and have a great time. She might start leaning into this. You know what? It's not worth it for me to get into it. I'm going to wait

for the bigger issues, which come a little bit later. This is when we get Erica announcing to everybody that Sutton made out with her driver. Yes. I thought Sutton was going to have a full-on meltdown. I did too, but that's because production made a trailer where it looked like she was going to lose it. Yeah. Even like the scenes from

after the commercial break or whatever you might have, it looked like Sutton was going to have a meltdown or at least be offended by it. She left it off. She had a great time. That's funny. And for those of the people that I saw a lot of people questioning it online, why did Sutton not get upset that Erica was the one who outed her in front of everyone?

It was a different, we'll just do it right now. It's a different situation. She had a really nice time with Garcel and Erica. This is what happens. You share a moment with two other people while you're out. Derreit's pissed off that she wasn't invited in the first place. There's a reason you weren't invited in the first place. to eat. Nobody wants you to hang around with them because you are fake. You are very fake and then you'll go and you'll go straight to Kyle and you'll say Sutton made out with her driver. Immediately. When Erica does it, we know she's doing it in jest. We know, yeah, there might be a slight underlying jab there because Erica's looking at Sutton like, what the fuck's going on with the whole Magic Mike thing and now you're coming back here. I don't really care anymore because I'm moving past it. I'm going to make a joke and see how you react to it. Sutton laughed. Everything's good. Garcel laughed in the corner. We left it alone. That is a joke between the

three people that went out the night before, not you, you're not involved in this, you're pissed off that you weren't invited, this is what you're going to do. And that brings me to my theory. You forced that a little bit early. Oh, yeah, let's hear it. Everything going on with Doreet right now, Doreet feels left out.

Doreet no longer has Kyle, and she's fully panicked because she looks around this group, and she realizes she's not close with anybody else. So what she's doing is sloppy, and it's disorganized because, She's going to each woman in the group and talking shit about somebody else trying to find a comrade. She's trying to find somebody to back up her nonsense and it's not working because most of the crew is now cool with Sutton. And Kyle, the way that she goes about her business, she is always putting Sutton in the crosshair so it's easy for you to latch on to that.

Now that you don't have Sutton as a punching bag because you're trying to talk shit to Garsell about her, Garcel's not going to abide you. She's not going to sit there and have that discussion because she doesn't agree with you. And you sit down and then you try to throw Crystal under the bus. You're trying to throw all the people under the bus that everyone else is okay with because you no longer have an ally. And when you sit down with Garcel trying to out Crystal for stirring up ship between you and Sutton, the issue is Dorit does not have any self-awareness. And we see a lot of fake moments with Dorit. So when she talks about this to Garcel, what we see it as and what. Garcel sees it as is no.

What Crystal's doing is outing you for being a dickhead behind closed doors and talking shit behind people's backs. What you're expecting from people is to have your back, but you're not friends with them. So now that you feel left out and alone because your actual friend Kyle has thrown you to the curb for not having her back, you're now desperately trying to find a new friend. You feel alone. You feel solo.

You don't know how to handle it. So you keep throwing hand grenades out there and they keep getting kicked right back at you and you're taking the full explosion. That's a really good theory. Yep. I don't even know if that's a theory anymore. I think that's exactly what it is. It's just straight up facts.

It's just fact. It wasn't even premature. No, and like you see it again, and this is where she's trying to throw something under the bus, but I bring up the magic mic thing to Bill Burr's wife. Why does she need to know? Instantly. She did it when she walked in.

Like, what are you doing? Why are you even talking about that? It's weeks ago at this point. Who cares? Water under the bridge. We haven't talked about it. I don't think that Nia even really brought. I think she brought up Vegas.

They were talking about something else. Bill had a show in Vegas Why is DeReed even bringing this up? You said exactly who it was that had the problem And you even said, I want you to bring it up later So that we can talk about it. Why? You're keying it up.

What are you doing? She has nothing to do with the show. There are so many different ways that you can tee it up. You could do whatever you want. If Nia wants to be in this show And she wants to have her little moment, then she's going to do it regardless. You just need to put a little seed out there and see what happens.

Don't force it. Now everybody can see this, especially now when we're watching these episodes. So it's back and you're on fucking camera, not only talking about Sutton putting vodka and coffee, not only talking about whatever the fuck else you're trying to like shit talk because you have no other friends on the show, you are forcibly putting this out there for another person to do your dirty work for you. So for what, like, what's the means to an end here? Just so you can put Sutton on blast and you get called out for it and you do not know what to do. And this was, I thought that this was completely different than Sutton doing the name him. The name him was sloppy.

It made no sense. This was perfect. This was perfect because we all know Doreet. Doreet dodges questions. She tries to explain around and go a full like 180 degrees around. That's half a circle for those math people out there. All the way around to a completely different side and then change the subject. That's what she always does.

That's her M. She's not answering the question directly and no one's there to help her out. This was the perfect time for Sutton to repeat the question over and over until Dorete has that freak out. She does. And it was absolutely perfect. It was well executed by Sutton. And the Suttonism that we get is one of the first that land and actually makes sense. She's like, some people don't like mustard.

I'm not going to bring it up to you 80 times a day. Right. And she explains, this is what I didn't like about it. Is that okay with you guys? Is that okay with you, a stranger whom I've never met that's asking me this weird question? Like, I couldn't imagine if I came to a party and you came up to me and said, hey, this person you don't know is coming to the party later and they freaked out at an event.

I want you to bring it up later. I'd be like, I'm leaving now. That's the weirdest shit I've ever heard. Psycho like, who the fuck are you? But that's exactly what? But Doreet recognizes as friendship amongst these women. Friendship to her in this group means her friendship with Kyle, which means a joint hatred for somebody else in the group in which they talk shit,

connive behind their back. And that's how they founded that tight bond that they had. And she doesn't have it anymore. Throwing Rina. Right. But now she's trying to find that with somebody else. Like these women aren't playing the game that way. They're not trying to find reasons of shit on people.

They're trying to find reasons to actually bridge gaps. You need to evolve. You're going to get left behind. but I'm glad that Garcel calls her out. She's like, how do you know about the Magic Mike thing? She's like, oh, well, Doreet. And then Doreet pulls it out of her pocket. She's like, well, then you made out with your driver.

Like, whoa. Yeah, what the fuck? Like, I just don't get it. I know what she's trying to do. I don't want to say I don't get it because I know exactly what Dorete's trying to do. She's trying to paint that reference in, well, you can go and make out with your driver, but you can't sit and watch people have fun on the stage at Magic Mike. Yep.

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episodes, too. What can we learn from the best and worst of great television? Like, for example, is it really a bad episode or do people just hate women? The best worst, available wherever you get your podcasts. It's not, you're trying to draw parallels between two very different things, very different things. And we even agreed earlier on this show for all the people out there that say that we're just blind Sutton stands. Sutton left because she wasn't invited on stage. And then she got upset about other things. I'm not saying that the two are mutually exclusive.

I'm saying that there are other outlying factors in that. It has nothing to do with the fact that she made out with her driver. Also, you're just butt hurt that you weren't invited to the drinks with the ladies the night before. So this is your way to, one, get at Sutton and try to spin this narrative. And two, get at the other two, that you weren't invited and you're pissed off. But you're going to use a piece of information that was divulged while the ladies were having a great time over a couple of drinks and you were not invited to try to spurn that. It doesn't make any sense.

It's fucking sloppy. It's stupid. And I'm happy now because I said this last year. What is Doreen even doing on this show? She brings absolutely nothing. Aside from that, the break-in in the beginning of the season, she didn't do anything else. She's just a guest man over and over. And she tries to talk shit with everybody.

Now we're finally just honing in on Doreet and saying, what do you do here? What are you doing here? What are you trying to do? Nobody's taking your back right now. You're just getting slammed, dude. And she gets left out to dry the whole entire time. And it was so weirdly satisfying to see because usually she's able to deflect and, like, weasel the way out or she'll get a third party come in and save her. Nobody's coming to her defense because it's a bunch of women.

They don't know. And they're all sitting there like, Jesus Christ, what is her problem? Oh, yeah. Because she does. She looks like a straight up asshole. And she's like, I send it in jest. Like, guys, we are having fun. And Garcel is not taking any shit.

She says, one, you did that to embarrass her. Two, if you have to say that, we are not having fun. And Doreet's response, and this just shows how tone deaf she is and how up her own ass she is, she says to Garcel, well, you attacked me. Now, and Garcel points it out, Erica Jane, of all people, gives us a breakdown of why that is problematic. And in this day and age, where people have become more conscious of social issues, have taken it upon themselves, to learn more about social issues, to educate and to learn. Dorit has no idea what that means, has no idea what she's talking about, and it is a dangerous

word. And like Erica says, there's a much different connotation when a white person says to a black person, I feel attacked, or you use other words, aggressive, certain things you just don't say because it has a different connotation. That's not a feeling. You can't, like, just because you're implying something different. That's just fact. Right.

It's fact, and you need to be aware of that. if you didn't know any learn in that moment and you say oh my god i'm so sorry i didn't know i'll be better in the future i'll take this opportunity to learn something instead she puts it on garcel well if you had told me and garcel makes a very good point it is not my job to educate you it is your job to become educated i don't need to teach you how to not be an asshole and now and i like you know we talk about trigger words and shit like that's not my favorite word the word term microaggression is not my favorite term. However, you can't be blind to them.

There are certain instances where you don't say certain things because it's insensitive and it's wrong. And the worst part about this is that after the fact, Dorete posts on her fucking Instagram and the caption is, happily living in my bubble. It's like, no, your bubble implies white privilege and it implies that you do not understand social issues and are not willing to learn. People won't fault you if you made a mistake and took the opportunity to be better, but to double down and show

how ignorant you are and naive to all of this is sloppy once again, it's rude and it's a terrible look and this is just her M.O. this season. She's lost. She's up Shits Creek without a paddle and nobody to help her. And honestly,

man, it's kind of refreshing because I get so tired of all of her shit, right? Yeah, we're so tired of her shit and I'm so tired of the people that go online and defend her all the time. She sucks. She is not good for TV, man. There's no self-awareness. She doesn't care about anybody else.

She only cares about herself. And look, I get it. If her and P.K. are going through some fucking times, whatever. That's a completely separate issue. It has nothing to do with you being a piece of shit. She tripled down. She went into a confessional weeks and weeks later, because we know how confessionals work, right?

Yes, we do. That timeline makes sense to us. She went into confessional and still said the same thing. It's on Garcel to tell me. If you tell me that I can't use the word attack or it's a trigger word to you, then I would be better in that moment. No, you wouldn't. wouldn't. She did do that and she told you it's not on her to fucking teach

you how this works. It's not on her to educate you about social issues. You still, weeks later, come back and have the same standpoint and to put it, make matters worse, like you said, you've got that bubble, your bubble's burst, dude. You are stuck out there, bro. You are stuck out there, ka. And you

have no idea what it's like to be on that end of it because you've been doing it for years. And we were on the other end of that. You were leading the brigade. You were in the other party with your pitchfork going after people that you just didn't like that were just clumsy or said the wrong thing you ripped them apart now you're stuck and you've got no one to defend you kyle's sitting there with her sister her sister's talking about painting sister's talking about

mustard still i don't know what the fuck's going on over there but you are hung out to dry and it is so satisfying i don't care i people say that they don't like to take pleasure in that i loved it i thought it was awesome when you get checked by denise richards who just got back it was almost incoherent the other night and she's telling you hey take it down a notch because you look awful right now and she's trying to defend Denise

she's like oh have you two this is the level it gets to because she tries to bring up I don't think she was trying to defend she just tried to deflect and then change the subject that's what I mean like that's the point that we've gotten to is like the Sutton vodka coffee comment comes up and and I love Sutton's like

I'm headed forward and I'm leaving y'all behind me well that's that was so no there was a separate issue with that though because now you've got her talking about how accomplished she is and kyle and her confession on her i hated this is the worst this is this is the fucking worst this is absolutely the worst kyle stopped drinking people are asking her about stopping drinking she gets offended by that right yep how about the other side of that you cannot sit there and say oh look at me i'm sutton i don't have a drinking problem i can say i can say accomplished 15 times in a row what yeah what's the double standing how about

maybe if you do think she has a drinking problem, try to talk to her as a friend. Don't point out that, like, this is the high and mighty bullshit that people do all the time. And it's not just with drinking. Just because you stop doing something, what are you going to start ripping people apart because they're not in shape? Because you work out seven times a day? You're not fucking weird. Okay. That's what you're going to do now.

And if that's the stance that Kyle's going to take, I don't give a shit about your journey. I don't care about your journey anymore. Steele's writing down in his notes. Steele is my therapist. Steele's writing down 5117 to remember to use this as a TikTok clip because I was a good rant okay cool i love rants no that was i mean you said it perfectly and it's really frustrating to to watch kyle not only put sutton down for i love the confidence this is something that you know she's been working towards for a long time is trying to stand alone and be her own

woman and here you go she's a proud of everything that she has and she's getting attacked by der reet over that's the proper time to use attacked yeah reet's attacking sutton she won't fucking leave it alone. Kyle attacks Sutton. They won't fucking drop it. So, yeah, she's finally giving a speech in which she's like, I'm proud of me, I'm accomplishing things, I'm moving forward at a very rapid pace, I'm going to leave you all behind. Good for you. Whatever. Was it

kind of funny? Yeah, but was the message good? Yes, it was. And I enjoyed it. And for Kyle to shit on her for that is really weird. It's a weird time to take a shit on your supposed friend. Instead of being like, you know what, it is great. Good for you, Sutton. Funny speech, but good for you. But like I was saying,

the whole thing was a deflection from Dorete. because she's trying to take the spotlight. She is so uncomfortable right now. You can see her sweating almost. Well, there are a lot of people in that room. There's a ton of people. Did anybody tell her how many people were coming? We didn't even get that.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? A lot of people. Maybe that's why she made the comment about Crystal's friends. Maybe it was. I wasn't expecting this many people. There's four extra people here. I'm a little uneasy.

A lot of people. But she's trying to deflect in any possible way. She tries with the vodka thing. She tries with the Denise and Erica thing is her last hurrah. Will this work? Hey, have you guys had the conversation? have you two talked yet and even denise like i said she's like dude what are you doing you you idiot like knock it off she panics at that point yep now she's just like well i don't have any friends so i'm

gonna fucking leave and she runs out of the house sprints and she's gone and now we get erika and denise and this is a matchup made in heaven so good so good and god this hit so much better because Erica is so much more composed now. So now that she's going off and clapping back finally, it lands so good. And I forgot how good she is in a fight because, I mean, it's obviously the low-hanging fruit, but there is a way to do it where it hits better. And when she brings up the only fans thing, because Denise's big issue is like, my kids don't know about threesomes in this.

She's like, your kids don't know about threesomes. Your daughter has an only-fans. And the point that Erica is trying to make in general, and it's a lot of, unfortunate, but it's simply true. And as a parent in today's world, you have to be aware, everything's at their fingertips. They have a phone. They have social media. They're going to learn about things a lot younger. I am a parent of a seven-year-old. That's horrifying. But it's real. You can't just look the other way and say they don't know about that stuff, especially when your oldest daughter has a fucking only fan. Be more self-aware. Your kids are also 14 years old.

Yeah. We just had that conversation with Garcell's son about how he found out about their divorce and his dad cheating on her like there are a lot of he was eight years old so you think your kids don't know about threesomes at 14 i learned about threesomes from i think an m&m song and i was yeah that sounds 10 or 11 yeah what's the line i used to think people got pregnant because you would pee at them that was probably seven though that was good do you learn like a week last year yeah yeah peeing inside people where's my babies i've been trying to get a woman pregnant My infertile? I thought my pee was good.

I need to go get my pee tested down at the sperm bank. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's your. What a rant. But the last thing is just the perfect way to end the episode. Erica's like, you can't expect me not to go low. But look, look, look.

I just want to know, who's more profitable? You are your daughter. And I was like, boom. That was the best. Fuck you, Denise. That is maybe the best line that I've seen since we started doing this. so good. It was so good. And this is this is exactly what we need. Yep. This is the Erica

that we need. We need her to stop getting so low and dirty all the time and pull it out when it's going to hit the hardest. Because nobody can hit harder than a good prime Erica Jane. I would take her against anybody else in Bravo and she pulled that thing out. And again, yes, it is low hanging fruit, but putting those two together is fucking hilarious. No backing down, going right at Denise because guess what? She apologized last week. She did. She doesn't even know what she's apologizing for, but she apologized because she just wants to get it over with. I don't want to deal

with you, Denise. I don't really care. Who the fuck cares? Doret's going to throw you in here. You're going to start standing up and make absolutely no sense. And here we are. I'm going to do this to you and you're done. It was... It was masterful, truly. But that takes us to the question portion of

this show. So let's jump right in. Up first from Megan, I... Oh, man, guys, why do we have to do it this way? Megan Ea Halla, 18. That's what I got. Who do we like and who do we not like?

It's hard to determine at this point. Oh, I disagree. Megan Halla. Megan Halla. Halla. Sorry if I'm saying it wrong. But no. I'm for sure saying it wrong, and I apologize.

But I don't think it's that hard to determine. I don't like to read. I don't like Kyle. I have much more sympathy and empathy. for Kyle and what she's going through, and I'm not nearly as, like, off Kyle as I used to be. I genuinely think this has got to be one of the hardest times of your life, so I'm trying to give her grace there. DeRite can kick rocks.

I'm done with her. Everybody else, honestly, I'm cool with. I'm enjoying everybody else in this season. Yeah. Yeah, same here. From N-Rabby 86, is it fair for Kyle to freeze out to reet over calling her in about Kathy? I don't know if freeze out entirely is the move, because, what is Kyle going to do?

I mean, she's got her sister back, so she's going to lean on her a little bit. She's got Morgan. Obviously, her marriage is falling apart. It doesn't mean that she doesn't need to read as a friend. I feel like she can definitely be upset about it and read to read a little bit, but I don't think you freeze her out entirely.

I don't think it's a freeze-out. I think what we got is exactly what we're seeing is just a distant Kyle. And I think that that paired with Morgan Wade is going to create a much bigger separation between the two. Yeah, I would agree. Ooh, I like this one from Susie B. 0302. What housewife do you think from any franchise would fit into Philly the best?

Who could come to Philly and thrive? Candice, for sure. Candice. We know that Chris loves Philly, so it's not surprising. Erica Jane, maybe. Erica could probably do anything else. Yeah, she could hang here. Especially this, Erica.

Hmm. A lot of the crew from Roney, I think, would do fine in Philly. I don't know. I think so. No, I think that they need special things. They're ripping neighborhoods apart and stuff. I'm talking like old, Bernie? No, I'm talking like posh Philly.

Like if they go live in like written house and like go to the nice restaurants, not. Only a couple of blocks there. Yeah, I know. It's not a whole lot. So maybe not. I was thinking more just because they're younger in the scene in Philly's like, you know, like cool restaurants and bars. I'm going to, uh, Erica, Candace and, uh, all of the Jersey Housewives. Oh, yeah, for sure.

They'd be fine. Dolores. They'd live in the main line, but they'd come down. Yeah. I think Dolores would be the most comfortable in, like, downtown Philly. Yeah, for sure. There you go. Last one from Brinson Micah.

Is this Dorit's final season? Not even Erica will defend her. I don't know, because we're actually getting more out of Dorit this year than we have in past years. So I kind of want to see all this unfolds. As it stands right now, I would have her back, though, just because I want to see what happens. Like you said, that she's... Maybe we're going to different. different to read. Look, I don't want to actively root for her downfall. I just feel like this has been a long time coming. And I'm happy that she's finally having to face the music. If she comes out as a better person and she's a more entertaining housewife, then yeah, bring her back. Fair enough. Oh, wait, I got one more from our boy outdoor loaves. Oh, God. Are we once again skipping Ultimate Girl's trip? If so, I'm done with this pod. Two things from me here, Lowe's. One, I do not take kindly to three.

threats. Okay? Don't take kind of the threats. So if you're going to threaten us, then fuck off. Two. Yes, we're going to cover Ultimate Girls trip next week because there's not a whole lot to watch. So we're going to dive in and recap some of the episodes.

But hey, pal, you can't no show like three shows and skip us for Beyonce and then make demands, all right? We got you free tickets because you were put in a weird position where somebody made you buy a ticket. He said he didn't need him. You too good for free tickets. Yeah, you're too good for free stuff. You don't show up?

Yeah, he did show up. He didn't even tell us you were there. I was looking through. I didn't see one other, he has a mustache now. I didn't see one other guy with a mustache in that crowd. So you know what, Lose? Maybe you're not invited to listen to the podcast anymore. We should start doing that.

Yeah, you're on a... Hey, wall, just Lose. No, just come to the fucking show and say hi. All right, we're sick of this. Just back and forth nonsense. It's kind of funny. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

Oh, I'm good. All right. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. That's my favorite TikTok or real. Is it? That girl says that.

Comes up every year, yeah. So every year. And I forget about it. I like it. RISler. You really do like it. You're laughing very hard right now. I told you.

It pops up. It's like, Merry Christmas. And I'm like, oh, she back. But remember to buy tickets to our show, guys. January 25th, Green Room 42 in Times Square. Link is in our Instagram bio to purchase. Follow us on all of our socials at Bravo. underscore bros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at brof bros podcast other than that

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