Bros & Shows - Is it the Year of Dorit? (RHOBH Premiere Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

What's up Bros? It is Premiere season and Rob-huh is BACK! This season kicked off with a solid first episode and it has the makings for a really good season. Dorit and Kyle are still on the outs from the reunion and it appears that the rift is only getting bigger. Dorit lets Erika know about her separation from PK and then the world finds out as it breaks on social media. Kyle texts her condolences to PK but doesnt have time to check in on Dorit. Sutton is throwing a surrealism party and is also acknowledging that not only did she miss her friendship with Kyle, but admits to not being a great friend to her last year. Garcelle is killing it in her professional life as we get a peek behind the scenes of some of her upcoming tv/film projects. We get introduced to Boz, who is one of the more impressive newbies that we have met in a long time. Former CMO of Uber, Netflix and countless others, that is the kind of energy we need in Beverly Hills. Kyle is still reeling from her separation from Mauricio and he has just recently moved out of the house. Watching her adjust to life solo is going to be interesting and we did feel for her as she gets used to her new normal. She also opens up about the Morgan Wade situation in what started out as a frustration repeat of last year, but her being honest about having the conversation with her daughters in regards to her sexuality was a good reminder for us all that this is a much deeper situation than 'who is Kyle dating'? That being said, we are firmly team Dorit in the Kyle vs Dorit battle as we watch them sit down to try and hash things out. Is Dorit a little heated? Yes. Is Kyle gaslighting? Yes. Will they resolve this? Probably not, but it looks like its going to make for a very entertaining season. Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to gain access to weekly exclusive episodes, monthly zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up! thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros.

Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Russell, joined as always by the one and only Beverly Goots. What's up, dude? We are back in Beverly Hills, and it feels like it's been a really long time. Doesn't it? Maybe it hasn't been long enough. I don't know. When did the last season wrap up? No idea. Me neither. Couldn't tell you. What is time? Time is an illusion. Maybe don't hurt me. I'm going to say January of last year. That sounds right. That sounds right. Well, January of this year, but yeah.

Didn't they take a long time to pick cameras back up this time? Yeah. Something happened. I don't fucking know. I don't know. But here we are. We're back in Beverly Hills, and I will say this. And I like this episode.

I thought it was a decent start to the season. There is something, because even about five minutes in before I knew if it was going to be good or bad, there's something comforting about Beverly Hills. There is, honestly. And as much as we don't really like Kyle right now. No. Something about. you know what it is? I think they film with better cameras almost.

Maybe. It's in more high-death. Maybe that's just... You know what? That's just the Hollywood glow. It's just the Hollywood glow. But Kyle, working out in the first couple of minutes there, I'm like, we're back.

It looks better. Yeah, it all looks better. You recognize everybody. You're happy to see everybody. For now, we might not be happy towards the middle or end of the season. But right now, I'm happy to see them. Well, as far as newcomers go,

before we get into everything, leaps and bounds above Ammer you start. When Bose came on, Bose is awesome. She's cool as shit. And I was like, that's a newbie. That's a Beverly Hills housewife. When they go through her credentials, she was like the chief

marketing officer of Uber, of Netflix, and like five other companies. She's retired. She might be 35. I don't know how fucking old she is, but she's done. And she's awesome. So I'm excited for Bose and I'm excited. Her name and loan

is sick, and then I immediately think of the headphones, but you know what I mean I used to have some really nice ones some those headphones yeah but that's neither here nor there my point is I'm thrilled with the newbie edition so far and overall

I thought it was a decent start I didn't think it was amazing I thought it lays the groundwork for a potentially interesting season with a lot of similar pitfalls that could haunt us along the way they definitely could um you know we'll uh

we'll see how it goes we did all of our little predictions and stuff with Ryan Bailey when we recorded with him last night. So if you want to hear some of those, go ahead and listen over to Ryan's podcast. Yeah, we love Ryan. We were on there last night, and it was a great time. And we talked to all things, Bravo, talked to all things Beverly Hills as well.

And we figured out what we think is going to happen this season. And now we're in it. So now we've got to start discussing. Yeah, we got to start discussing. So let's jump right in with, you know, it's no secret. One of our faves, friend of the show, Sutton starts us off this season. And I have always been a fan of Jennifer, Tilly in her movies and everything.

So I love that she's more of a part of this show. She's like an official friend of now, which is great. It's also good for Sutton that she has some support outside of the group. And we've seen Jennifer, obviously, more last season. And I do think that she plays more of a role this year, which will be fun to watch. But Sutton looks great. And she's talking about Cool Girl Summer. You know, Porter's graduating college.

She's going to law school. The kids are coming for the summer. And she wants to celebrate with a little Salvador dolly party. Why not? Because who does it like a surrealism party? It's immerse yourself in the surrealism. Yeah, that sounds like an absolute nightmare in Hollywood. I'm not going to lie to you.

When I saw the party, I was like, this is what I imagine happens behind closed doors in Hollywood with the masks and, like, the creepy shit. It was a pretty party. It was out in the open. Yeah, which is better for me. And also you get a compliment from Eric Jane at the end saying that Sutton throws great parties. Sutton does throw a great party. So, yeah, it looked awesome. It looked like an awesome party.

It just, it reminds me of like eyes wide shut. Is that the movie? Yep. It gave me that kind of vibe. But hey, great party. Great party. I'm not saying it was that. I'm saying that's what I imagine.

Yeah, a lot of cats and masks and stuff. And that stuff freaks me out. I'm not going to lie to you. But it's interesting to hear Sutton start out with Kyle. And the fact that what we saw from her last year, she was not the best friend to Kyle. She could have been more understanding. That being said, Kyle was extraordinarily aggravating last year,

watching her just kind of dance circles around what we were all seeing in the media constantly refusing to answer questions simple questions I do think she did a nice job this episode when we get to it not the whole episode oh Kyle yeah just one specific instance not the whole episode like like 98% I was very irritated again there was a 2% moment where I'm like okay I feel for you there the rest of it's she's back to her old shit again which is it was pretty frustrating but it's interesting to hear Sutton intro with that and for me that's not probably I didn't get from it what a lot of people probably did when they're like oh it's it's a reconnection I'm like oh this is foreshadowing

Sutton and Kyle are going to go at it this season yeah yeah no I think that's exactly what I thought as well and it was funny Sutton's reasoning was that she you know I I missed my friendship with Kyle why well I just saw some things online that I thought that she might like so I got upset that I couldn't send them to her yeah So we just sat down and we had some lunch. It's whatever. Whatever reminds you of your friend, like when I see, like, mustaches, I'm like, oh, shoot her.

Yeah. You know, like, anytime I see Mario or Luigi, I'm like, oh, shoot her. You're not even Italian, but you're not even a plumber. It's the must. You're not a plumber either. But, you know, it's the little things. It's the little things. But we get to Erica Jane, who, uh, I don't know what to make for a financial situation.

I know that she had her show in Vegas, and I know she's back on her feet a little bit, but she was looking at a box. that motherfucker was one foot by six inches and that thing was $6,700. I don't think you need to shop. I get... Probably not. I understand.

You know, furniture has meaning, right? It carries over meaning. Like that white chair right there was from my house on New Street, which I will always think fondly of. This room in general reminds me of it because it's a little smaller. So I get it. You want to move on from the Tom Girardi chapter of your life as things are starting to close down in the courts.

I know some things are not. They're still in the midst of trials, but I understand that. Fine. Why are we shopping here? Let's shop, like, I'm not saying you've got to go to IKEA. No shade to IKEA.

The couch you're sitting on right now is from IKEA. No shade to IKEA. But come on. We're going to point out every single piece of furniture. I just realized that I was doing this, this table also from IKEA. This chair, pawn shop. But anyway,

we know home goods. You don't even know. But no, you do make a good point because we don't know what her financial situation is. She started off last season talking about her financial situation. Broke, essentially. Completely broke. Talking about how she's going to be able to move on.

We know that she had a show. We know that she's getting on her feet. You need to stay on her feet this time. Yes. You can't get knocked back off with a $6,700 box. Correct. Yeah. That's where my head goes.

And I love a look. And also, here's another idea. And I know that you need to talk to Doreet because you need to figure out what's going on with her and Kyle and her and Pek. But Doreet's probably not the best person to invite over to start talking about, like, furnishing your apartment. apartment, things like that? She's going to say, get the box. Yeah, she's going to say get six of them.

What's in the box? Yeah. You need one in every room. I love that box. So chic. Yeah, that's the chicest little box we've ever seen. Buy it. Yeah, I agree with that.

But that's not what they're discussed. She doesn't even talk about furniture. She just shows up and does say, oh, it's all so gorgeous. Well, yeah, I mean, it's an expensive house store. Yep. It's like Pacific designs. It sounds fancy, but whatever. She's there to lay on Erica Jane.

What we all obviously already know, but it's the P. and Doreet separating, that whole thing. I'm happy that they got it started immediately. Same. Same, because there's so many questions I have. Anything, and this should be a rule of thumb moving forward. If there are things that happen in the off season that we all know, and it's something like that, do not wait to get it introduced. Good point.

Do it right away. Because we already know. Otherwise, it's going to be like, all right, what are we going to do? Like four episodes of you guys talking about doing it, and then you're going to finally do it, and we're going to get to see it. I don't want to wait that long. Just get it out of the way now. We know that it's going to look. loom over for the rest of the season and it's going to

impact a lot of decisions, just do it now. Yeah, get it out in the open because we know it's there and it's like the scand of all thing. We waited how many episodes for that shit to finally drop. That being said, that whole season was reality TV gold. They didn't need to change much there, but when you know

this impending doom is coming, like you said, just let's get into it. We don't need to skate around it, but it is ironic that Erica did say you know, threw some shade of Bravo God and like who's next on the chopping blocks. like P.K. and Doreet. And Doreet's like, and I think I see what she's doing here. She needs friends. So she's like, look, it was a shady question. She gave a shady answer. It's, it's Erica.

Whatever. It's just fine. Yeah. Oh, is that what you got from it? No, because I think that, I think Dorete said pretty much the same thing at the reunion, too. So I think she was already kind of planting seeds in there. But look, you don't want to make an enemy out of Erica Jane anyway. That's fine. That's a good point. But we get flashbacks of P.K. being a piece of shit, and we watched that all last season where the therapy was a disease. He's eating pizza and drinking beer, saying that she's obnoxious for her PTSD, a lot of stuff. And yeah, look, Dorita is obnoxious. But to say her PTSD is obnoxious as her husband is obnoxious.

So he had a terrible showing last year, and she starts to dive into his issues with alcohol. Also didn't care for how she went about this throughout the rest of the episode, but whatever. She brings up the fact that he was using alcohol to cope with all the issues that they were having. They were screaming at one another. He decided to dry up for a week. And that turned into this journey with sobriety, which is great. Good for P.K. No jokes there, seriously.

But she goes like, what happened? And initially, and Devin I talked about it because she watched this with me. And for her to open up instantly and say, like, yeah, there was alcohol involved. Like this. It seemed like we were getting a real moment from Doreet, where it's like, this is what's going on. She's being genuine and authentic. And then we get this super. PR answer of, look, this was two grown adults, two grown-ups that we decided to sit down

and say, what's best for us? And you know what? We just decided that we needed to separate, not divorce, and we just needed to separate because that's what mature adults do. I'm like, okay, now you're back to the bullshit answers. And it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, too, because you prefaced it by saying real things that actually were the detriment of your relationship. Right. That we've been seeing for years. Yes. That he downplayed all of your emotions, that he was having a hard time. So, like, he was going out and socializing and you were staying at home and he was getting mad at you and that there was going back and forth he's leaving to go to london for a month yeah those were

reasons why you broke up which you then just laid out for us and then went back to the PR answer yes which like that's not you can't do that and then say but we sat down and had like an adult conversation about what's best for us it led you there so that those are the problems it led you there and then we find out later yeah pk is the one that said let's get separated so don't do this already just be if If you're going to have this season of, like, solo Doreet, and that's what we've gotten from trailers and, like, peaks into the future of this season, then just do it. Don't give us the PR answer, because it's not going to play well.

It's going to get irritating, but whatever. She asks about what's going on with Kyle. Like, I'm going to see Kyle later. Like, what do you want me to do about it? And Doreet's like, don't say a fucking word. And I will say this about Erica Jane. Does she get messy? Yeah.

But I do think that she prides herself on keeping her word. When you say it to her, like, don't say anything. I think if it's that impactful, if it's that bigger thing, she's not going to let it slip. She's not going to let it slip. Yeah, so I appreciate it. If it's something messy that she can throw out there, she will. Yeah, but with that kind of stuff. So, you know, hats off to her there.

But that takes us over to Kyle. And Mo moved out a week ago. We've also watched this in real time, the downfall, if you want to call it that, of their relationship. Maricio is on the mountain doing body shots with a bunch of models. and Kyle's palming the world with Morgan Wade, quote-unquote, paling around with Morgan Wade. We still don't really know what's going on there. But she's trying to figure out how to be independent. And I will say, again, objectively, outside of looking at, like, this is kind of sad.

Her whole world has shifted. Her whole world has changed. Portia moved out. Or sorry, Alexia moved out. So she's trying to figure out how to be solo in the house. It's quiet. It's different. Then Erica arrives.

And they immediately start talking about Doreet and how Kyle doesn't have time for it. They haven't seen each other since the reunion, which I thought was interesting. They haven't talked really since then. And Kyle's still upset about the text message and the fact that Dorete read the text message out loud. We saw the text message and the timing of the text message. You guys hadn't talked. Shit was weird for a while. The night before the reunion, you dropped this quote unquote emotional text message on her

that pretty much is trying to hold her hostage so that she doesn't spill any shit on you or talk any shit. That's what that was. We're not stupid. I don't know what Kyle's trying to accomplish here either because she is trying to manipulate the audience and other people into thinking that they are friends.

But you've told us multiple times on Amazon Live. And you're not that close. Yeah, you started at the reunion by saying how often do we ever have lunch, name it in the last seven years, how many times one hand like you're doing that to derrick on the reunion then going on amazon live and claiming even more that you guys aren't friends but now you're saying that

you guys are friends so i don't know what she's trying to do i can't really wrap my head around it i can't either and we we bring up the kathy thing at the reunion again and yeah that was shitty if she's friends with with kyle more so than kathy because that was to me a moment where there was a line drawn in the sand and d'orite sided with kate going down with Kathy. Yeah, and I saw that, and I get that, but. But that was two seasons ago. Yes, exactly.

And Doreet just, she feels isolated. She feels like Kyle's never back. And I do think that we've seen over the years a one-sided friendship. And we see this a lot in Bravo. But she feels like she has to walk on eggshells around Kyle. But if Kyle needs her for anything, she's supposed to be there back in call. So that's bullshit. That's not how our friendship works.

And I'm glad that Doreet's getting to the point where she wants to be like, fuck this. and we see that much more later. But it is interesting to watch Kyle spin this narrative to us, the audience. And it's like, what do you think that we think we're watching right now? And I've had this question. I've had this question a lot over the past year with multiple shows. Like, what do you think that we think?

Because you couldn't be further from what we actually think. Well, it's one of those things that a lot of times that'll pop up based on vibes and the context. Sure. But Kyle is telling us two different things. Yes. So that's why I'm really confused. It's one thing because you can immediately say, oh, you're just trying to convince us that it's the other way,

even though all of your actions are showing one thing. With Kyle, it's you're telling us two different things, and then gaslighting to read into thinking that you are friends, but also telling everybody else that you're not friends, including the audience. So now it's really confusing for everyone. Right. I don't know what the hell she's doing. I can't figure it out.

Me neither. And yet here we are. I can tell you right now, it was a one-sided friendship, and you guys probably weren't that close in your mind. That's what it seems. I feel like Dorete probably thought you guys were closer. Could it have been more of a TV friendship? Yeah, but to claim that you weren't tight is just a lie because we've watched, right?

We've seen season after season where you guys were tight. You went on double date. She came over with P.K. all the time. Mo and P.K. were like this. I'm not saying their relationship that bromance is relative to what you and Doreet had, but to say that you weren't that close is a lie. And we know that because, again, we've been watching the show. and to use this as an example of feeling betrayed by Doreet

where you're on stage at BravoCon about to do a shot. That also didn't make any sense. The shot spills, so now Doreet makes a joke after, and he's like, rate the sisters, rate the Richard sisters. And she's like, well, Kyle's definitely last. That's in response to her getting spilled on. That was a funny. She was trying to make a funny.

And Kyle's like, that's so disrespectful. It's like, again, do you think we're stupid or do you not understand jokes? Is that what it is? Do you not understand humor? Because that would make sense. That makes more sense to me. And then everything you're seeing from Doreet,

you're like, oh, she's being dead serious all the time. That scene did you no favors. They showed it. I'm like, that's what you're pissed about? That's a really bad reason to throw a friendship out the window. Honestly, on the scale of what you should be pissed about for things that happen to BravoCon, Dorete should be madder at Erica for saying Doreet and P.K.

You're going to break up next. Yes. Then you should be at Doreet for what she. did about the Richard sisters. Ranking you last? That's insane. As a joke. Yeah. What are we doing here?

What we can all agree on what they can agree on without agreeing on it because they're just speaking through Erica, there's a bunch of miscommunication happening. They both think the other person has changed, and they do not know how to move forward from this, or if they even can move forward of this. And the biggest thing is, at least for Dorit, is that Kyle is a manipulator. She's manipulative and has been manipulating. I agree. Yep.

We see her gas slate. We see her manipulate situations. We see her point one direction to try to misconstrue what's actually going on. That's the Kyle Richards way, especially for the past couple of seasons. So, yeah, that's one thing I can agree with Derreed on and probably a lot more things along the way. If I'm going to pick a side here, I'm on Derreet's side. Fully. 100%.

Without question. Yeah, there's not really a whole lot of wiggle room there because of how Kyle's been acting and because of her reasoning. Derre, I get. you felt slighted because this has been a one-sided friendship. It has been consistent in thinking that, too. She hasn't wavered. Right. Kyle has wavered so many times. Up, down, left, right.

I don't know which way to look. And your big reason is that she ranked you last. What the fuck? But anyway, we get to Garcel and Oliver, just a quick check in here because while I do think this is amazing, like Garcel, what she's been able to do with her movie career, her production career, everything, especially given her age, as she points to, people say in your 40s, like show business is over. She's in her 50s, and she's running productions.

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Isn't that wild? The real housewives, nope. The real single ladies. Ladies of London. Oh, the single ladies. The real girlfriends of Beverly Hills. That's what the show is now. There we go.

Wow. Interesting. What a world. Branding change. That would be really funny. But we get a big Thursday, May 9th. And the separation news has broken to the world. and I think it's hysterical

that it's the story post on the screen. Not only does Bravo simplify it. They took out the whole middle section, but Garcell's reading and goes, of course it's long-winded. Your friend just enough separation, and you just can't help it. It's like, Jesus, Dorit.

You couldn't even just keep it short and sweet. But I need this picture. This might replace the Luann photo is Dorit crushing a heater in the car. Derreet during that crush in a heater was awesome. so cool. It was so fucking cool. That's the coolest she's ever been. She has gone up so many notches. Like instantly this episode. It was awesome. I loved it. And I hope it was like a fucking unfiltered like Marlboro or Redder like an American spirit. She's just crushing that heater

in her range rover frantically driving. That was her best scene ever. Yeah, that was incredible. I loved it. I loved that. We need to get that. That's the new picture on the wall. It's just her hitting that, hitting that sig. But Kyle feels bad. I do not believe what went wrong. I think you know. I think you know way more because I think you guys were closer. I think she confided in you along the way. We saw last year the bullshit confiding where she's like, I just don't know what's going on with P.K.

There was definitely more conversations had. I am on Sutton's side here where this is smoking mirrors. There's a lot here that we're not knowing, a lot here we're not finding out. We get more from P.K. In this following scene than we have from Dorete. That's a tough way to play this. If you know that P.K.

Did not expect to see P.K. And Moe. their own scene. I literally out loud went, whoa, we got a Mo and P.K. Solo scene in episode one? That was crazy to me. I'm okay with it, though, because I do need to hear

from these guys. Because Moe's been on this weird journey of Bachelor Life, we just saw I'm just going to flat out say it, a very embarrassing video of him and P.K. In the DJ booth with Kyle being a DJ. That's one of the saddest booths I've ever seen.

I posted on our story, and I said there needs to be a case study about the married men of Bravo. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And look, it was the last thing that I expected. I thought we were going to get different perspectives from everybody in the Housewife show. I did not think one that Moe was even going to be in this season. I figured he was done. He's onto his Netflix show.

He's on bigger and better things. At this time, it was canceled. He's on to bigger and better things in his mind. I did not think that he was going to be in this. I didn't either. I was taken aback. I was surprised, but Doreet's claiming back to her scene.

This is a back and forth scene and she's claiming that they're not in a toxic place and he has a sober coach and he's a full-blown alcoholic, Kathy. Stop doing that. Yep. Okay?

His news to share. You have now done this twice. The first time I was okay with because you're painting the scene to Erica of what happened. There was alcohol involved. You're a different person. He's sober now.

Great. Stop saying this so haphazardly because I know what you're doing and I'm going to save it for later when she does it a third time, but I know what you're trying to do, and it's not great. But it goes back to Mo and P.K.,

and this is why Doreet needs to be more forthcoming. She needs to get ahead of this because from what I'm seeing out of P.K. and Mo, I'm not saying it's the truth, but I'm saying this is P.K.'s truth, and he's being genuine when he's talking to Moe, and he's like, look, I got sober, and upon getting sober,

I realized that there was a lot more problems here. Yeah. That the alcohol was a mask, and I was just ignoring some things, Upon getting sober is when I realize we need to get separated. That's not great for Doreet. It's not great for Doreet. It makes sense to pretty much everybody watching it.

Downfall of this scene, there were no smashed potatoes. Really disappointing there. Yeah, every husband's scene needs a smashed potato in there. Yeah, if they're going to sit down at a bar together, they need smashed potatoes. But sitting there talking about it, it did seem to me that this is his truth. This is how he felt, and that's super sad, if that's how it is, that you were using alcohol to cope through a lot of the things that were going on and ignoring a lot of the issues in your own marriage. I want you to keep going, but I don't want to say that it's like Doret's fault.

No, no, it's definitely not. He just became aware of problems. Oh, no, yeah. Yeah, no. It's not like he was using alcohol to cope with Doreet as a person. Right. I think it was, there were a lot of issues, and we saw the issues over the years, and everybody on the show saw the issues over the years.

So for him to say that, it seemed really genuine. And for Doret to use the PR move and use, like, a couple different things and blame him for being an alcoholic, that's a problem. That's a big problem. You could lean on all of the things that we already know. Say that he just kept going to London more and more and more and you didn't know what was going on. Great reason. And, like, allude to the fact that he had a big social life and you didn't and you weren't out with him all the time.

And you drifted apart. And you had some questions about what he was doing while he was out. Do those things. You could do all of those things and you're not going to do that. But you know, and I want to know it, like, Doree must have known that P. P.K. was going to be on the show. Yeah, I had to. Sign a waiver.

got to be in there, he's going to sit down with Mo and they're going to go through it and he's going to get ahead of it. That's what it is. He's getting ahead of it and she's just be more forthcoming, all right?

Because I don't see myself siding with PK over Doree. I really don't. I'm not a big fan of PK. I don't think that's going to have it. She's creating more work for herself. Yeah, because you're not just telling the truth. What happened?

Just tell us the truth. Don't give us the PR run through. It's bullshit and we can see right through it immediately. So just tell us what's going on. And then she finally does and this is news to us because what you said in the first scene

with the PR answer is we had an adult conversation made an adult decision to separate. Now she's saying, I wouldn't choose to separate. So, okay, P.K. decided to do this. And then you go through the run-through of, I stood by him,

and I thought this was actually pretty good shade. So I stood by him through a gambling addiction, through the alleged DUI, the drinking. I'm like, ew, that's, is it kind of fucked up? You're bringing up all this fucked up stuff? Yeah, but... Lead with that.

That's it. Yeah. And again, it's playing dirty pool, but if P.K. is going to get on here and say I was drinking to deal with our fucked up relationship, you can have some backup too, but lead off with that because you let off with the PR answer and now we're jaded. Again, I don't find it hard for me to get on Dorete's side of the PK. It's just episode one. I do think that, yeah, in the grand scheme of things, we're going to arc over to a different side and it'll be fine. Yeah, it's just play the game a little bit better because you're on your own this season and you're going to have to play it well. but Kyle and Kathy are FaceTiming, what should I wear? And I thought it was really funny that she goes,

how about a turban, alluding to Doreet's look at the reunion, which again shows you, and I never buy Kathy's shtick, and we've talked about it a lot. Kathy knows what she's doing. Kathy knows what she's saying. She knows how this game works

on a whole different level in Hollywood. She's upper echelon. She's a different stratosphere. Sure is. So she knows what she's doing, and that's proof of it right there. She acts like she's so like, what's going on?

but had the wherewithal to make a joke about last year's reunion? The first thing on the phone, I'm just saying, be careful. And Kyle brings up that she wants to message Doreet because she messaged P.K., which you should have messaged Doreet, too. That's going to come back to Bitesin and yes. But it is interesting that she goes, she's going to say that I'm being manipulative and flash over to Doreet,

and she's like, and if Kyle, like, she's going to be manipulative about it, I'm like, all right, well, you did call it because she wouldn't have accepted. I mean, she was. Like, if you're not going to text Doreet about that, but you're going to text P. It's been a little bit of her of them. them. You know what I mean?

Wait until you see Doreet. You're filming for the season. You're going to see Doreet regardless. Make this a big grand entrance to the show. We know that you think about the show all the time. We know that's how you operate. So just wait. Do not text P.K.

Because P.K. brings it up to Moe's surprised that he brought it up. And that's even more damning to your lack of friendship with Dore. You're close enough to P.K. to text him, but you're not close enough with his wife, who was your friend? Yeah, bizarre. That doesn't make any sense. Now you're working against yourself. There's a lot of, look, for a lot of viz.

vets, there's a lot of missteps happening early on out of the gate. I think they're frazzled, a little rattled. Last year was a tough season. Oh, it could make for a lot to talk about. It could make for a really interesting season. But we get to the surrealism party. Again, great party. Lovely party.

Lovely party, but, uh... You don't like the llama or the alpaca? The alpaca? I did. I thought that was cool. I think the party was cool. The party was cool. I just, I'm, it's just a me thing.

Yeah, okay. Because the masks, any party with masks. Any party with masks, like a masquerade party freaks me out. But I will say this before we jump into the party. I wrote this down because I wanted to make a note of it. Regardless of their relationship at the current moment, she wants to claim they're not friends, whatever. You should put the bullshit aside because she starts going on after she says,

I don't want to send the text. She's going to think it's manipulative. And then she starts dragging to read. She just got separated from her husband. You just went through a similar scenario with Mauricio. you could really offer a shoulder to cry on or at least some comfort even if you guys aren't okay right now but you have been in the past i thought it spoke volumes to kyle's character to not be able in this moment to just be like you know what she's going through it i just went i'm still going through this i'm still going through the fallout of mo just moved out let me just reach out and say hey i know what this feels like i'm here if you need me that's all you got to do put your bullshit aside for two seconds and just be a good person there's probably other people people that reached out to Dorete that haven't talked to her in years and just said, hey, I heard what's going on.

If you need me, I'm here. Yeah. You could at least do that, Kyle. I thought it was a really bad look for her that she couldn't, at the very least, be like, hey, thinking about you. But whatever. Let's get to the surrealism party. Doreet's got a plate on her head, and this is why I like Jennifer Tilly, because as soon

as she walks up, is that a plate on your head? And then she calls it a satellite dish or something. I need that energy. That's the Mary Cosby energy. And that's the best thing to do to somebody on this show that, regards themselves as a high fashion, that is exactly what you do. Sutton comes in,

looks like a condom. Yeah, you free from STDs? Condoms are rubber. This is plastic. Okay. We're playing semantics now. All right, playing semantics. Is that a plate on your head?

Satellite dish? Great. Okay. That's going to knock her down so many pegs. She's going to be very upset about that. But not this to read. This treat needs friends. The street needs friends.

She would have gotten pissed. She kind of rains it in a little bit. I thought it was hysterical throughout the evening because she's got like a beret on to balance the plate, watching her get up and enter conversations and put the plate back on her head was thoroughly entertaining for me. It was. It really was. It was great. And I think...

What's the guy in Mortal Kombat? Is it Kung Lao? Oh, well, there's... Are you talking about like the... The guy takes the hat off and throws it. Oh, I'm thinking of, um... God, lightning guy. Raiden? Thank you. I'm thinking that. Because it's similar. He's got the big hat. Yeah, there's a guy, Kabbal. Cabal.

Yeah. He, or no. No, no, it's, it's Kung Lowe. I was right the first time. Takes his hat off and throws it, and it's really sharp on the side. I was always, uh, I was always Scorpion. Yeah. Get over here. Yeah, I was sub-zero. That makes sense.

Yeah. What was his line? He had a mask. He didn't talk. He did his finishing move. So did Scorpy didn't. That was his line? Slippery one wet. And then he burst into a million. If he didn't play Mortal Kombat, let me, you're missing out. No, just take any line of Arnold Schwarzenegers from Batman and Robin, and that's probably what's

Oh, my God. Have you ever heard the compilation of Mr. Freeze buns? Stay cool. That whole movie is a circus. That's one of my favorite shitty movies. But anyhow, let's get back to business. This is where we get to meet Bose. And immediately, I'm enamored.

She walks out of the car. I'm like, who the fuck is that? Yeah. She looks fantastic. And the only thing that could one up that is she comes in. I'm like, this is Bose. And then she goes on her spiel. She's like,

I was the CMO of Netflix, Uber, you name it. I've been there. I'm retired already. I'm like, fuck yes. This is what Beverly Hills needs. We do not need the wife of what's his face. What I don't even, Warren, who was it? Marcellus Wiley.

I don't need that show. This is what I need. I need a boss bitch to walk in. She's still claiming bad at it, which is insane. Anne-Marie is? She's still talking? Did I send you that? Oh, God, no.

Maybe I just blurt it out. Yeah. Why is she still involved in any? I don't know. Shut up and go away. You're done. You're cooked. See you later.

You were terrible. You're one of the worst one and done's we've seen. But I don't even want to, I don't want to sully this episode with her names. Let's just keep trucking. Doread immediately sees a friend, a potential friend. And she goes right up to her and starts buttering her up instantly. And she's like, she's pulling out all the stops. And then takes her weird left turn and just divulges everything that's going on in her life.

And this is when I got. Well, it was good with it. That was the shocking part. But before we get that. to that. This is where I got pissed off now because now she's like, and my husband's a full-blown alcoholic. I'm like, stop doing that because what you're now doing

is saying that to point to why you're separated. You're using, and if the alcohol was a problem, I'm open to hearing about it. Sure. Not in this context. Correct. Because now you're putting all the blame on him because if anybody hears that, that doesn't

know what's going on, they're going to hear full-blown alcoholic, oh, the alcohol was the problem, huh? And clearly there was more going on there. that I've added to it, absolutely. And you're well within your right to talk about that, but the way that she's going about it, I think, is icky. It is icky. And look, I think it's still fresh.

Yeah, and I think she's still getting through it, and I think there's a lot going on. But, yeah, the three times in one episode. Three times is tough. Didn't care for it. I'll give you that. All right, I'll give her a pass here. She's going through it.

That's shocking. I'm giving Doreda pass about something. I'm so adamant about, as all of our listeners know. But all right, she's going through it. Let's give her a breather. To your point. What I certainly did not expect was for Bose to match that energy. You're like, well, I'm widowed.

I'm like, here, what? Here we go. And she starts talking that she got separated with her husband. Then he got cancer. So they reconciled and they figured it out. And Doreet just had, she now has a best friend. And I did not in a million years. A confessional.

Do you know what I thought was going to happen? Bowes in the confession like, Jesus Christ, I just met you. Trauma dump. Yeah. What the hell is the matter with you? Instead, she's like, I'm a really good. Reader of people. And I love Doreet.

We're besties. I'm like, all right. That is not where I saw this going. I knew what Doreet was trying to do. She needs to garner support this season. She knows she's on an island. Yeah, she does, but the trauma dump is not what she needed to do. But it worked.

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I hope we just move on from the whole thing. Because it's so interesting. It's about the robbery and, you know, the legitimacy of it. We're not going to comment on it. No, no, we're done with it. Yeah, I'm sure you can find us commenting on it multiple times in previous seasons. Not now, though. We're older.

We're over it. We're mature. Yep. So we're not going to jump back into whether or not she faked the whole thing or whether it was a ruse. Sure. Because that's not our place. But who did do that is Garcel. Yes.

She alluded to it potentially not being real, which again, When you break it down for what it was, that is a horrible thing to say, considering Dorit was held a gunpoint and her kids were in the other room. So let's leave it at that. I don't know if there's a way forward for them. I don't think it matters. I think Marcel just kind of avoids it this time. I think that's what we're going to see, the avoidance.

But Kyle and Erica arrived. I thought Erica looked fantastic. I thought her outfit was pretty much on the nose for surrealism. That's what I would think. But she looks great. And they sit down and they start talking. and Kyle starts discussing things and we start to get into her stuff a little bit more.

Mo and Alexia just moved out so things have been really tough. Things are changing. How are you coping? This is the 2% that I'm going to give Kyle because of what she starts talking because she brings up Morgan Wade immediately and refuses to say her name.

So initially I'm getting irritated. I'm like, dude, we all know who you're talking about. And at this point, she's been on the show. So what are we hiding right now? You're not protecting her. You're not protecting yourself. This is really annoying. but what I did not expect

was her to start getting into this whole thing and she goes even further and says whatever you hear in the tabloids and the media like none of it's true it's not true Garcel points out what we all talked about last year well what about the fucking music video because it's pretty damning at least to us it seems like you guys

were trying to be a little bit coy with this whole thing and then Kyle blames all the speculation for her questioning her sexuality Yep. Bold move. Very bold move. But I started to feel bad immediately after this when she starts talking about talking to her daughters, saying, I've been questioning my sexuality, nervous about their response. She didn't want them to be angry with her. She didn't want them to be embarrassed of her and think less of her. And that, as she's crying, I'm like, okay, this is a more nuanced situation than we sometimes give credit to. It's at least more than what she gave us last year. Definitely. And that's the thing is that's why she got so annoying last year was because she would do all of these things. And there were so many things surrounding it, having Morgan Wade on the show, we know about the music video, we know about what's going on with Mo.

And you're just not talking about it at all. So to your point, yes, as soon as she says, oh, we're not saying her name. It's like, why are we doing this worse than we did last year now? Now we're even saying her name. Yeah, we're not even saying her name. We're taking a step back even more. And it made no sense. but her opening up like this is way more than she did all of last year.

Yeah. And it's way more real and it's way more involved in maybe a storyline for her, maybe something that she can talk about and can reach people with. That's something that you might be able to do through all of this. I don't have any faith that she's going to be able to maintain that all season because I think she's going to be dealing with Dorete the entire time and dealing with other people talking about her life. But yeah, I'll give you that 2%.

And what's interesting about that is the moment that you get real with it, And I think that how Garcell approaches it is correct as well. She's like, look, we support you with whatever. And I think that this whole thing is more nuanced than we give credit to because of how irritating it got last year. Like, yeah, you know what? At the end of the day, Kyle, you don't owe us what your sexuality is. That's your business.

It's not for us to be like, you need to come out on TV. That's inappropriate. It's your life. I get that. That's fair. But what happened in this scene by you being open and honest as you allowed for us the audience to connect for a man. in it and be like, oof, you know what?

There's more to this. And you're right. And telling your daughters must have been terrifying and good for you for doing that. And it must have felt amazing for Portia to hug you and say, Mom, we love you no matter what. What you just did was all that you need to do. Just be honest with us. And there would be so much less backlash because in this scene I felt bad for her. I also was proud of her for being able to go through this and be open about it. And it took 30 seconds.

It took 30 seconds of being genuine and authentic for you to connect with the audience again, which you used to be able to do more. And I'm not saying that you need to go through your whole journey on TV. And maybe that's kind of what I got from this. And I'm hoping that this rings true because the focus is Doreet versus Kyle. I'm hoping what this was was, let's address this now. I'm not even going to say her name. This is what I'm going through.

I'm trying to figure it out. I told my daughters, let's leave it here. And I'm okay with that. I'm all right with that. So we'll see what comes from it. But Doreet joins. And, ooh. my god the intro hello kyle i was like ew awkward as fuck what was that he's into it

be cool man like what the fuck and we saw you coming from a mile away because you just tipped over the martini tray with your hat yep like settle down yep we get it you're awkward because then you sit down and you could have heard a pin drop over in those philis yep i don't know where that is in regards to this no neither do i was trying to sound cool like a new californian like LA Yeah, should we cut this? Yeah, we just got this. I'm not going to cut this, but no. Anyway, Kathy is good for one thing.

Because I'm not, I don't really need Kathy on this show anymore. No. But what she is good for is a moment like this where she's hot. So she takes out her hair extensions. I've never had a hair extension. Nope. I don't know if they're warm. I imagine they would be.

Because think about when you grow your hair out, it gets a little hot out. This is the longest my hair's been in forever. If you get a buzz cut versus having longer hair. It feels lighter. Yeah, for sure. All right. but I think it's hysterical that she takes out

and just throws it on the chair. There's hair. Now you have hair on the chair, which you could argue is surrealism. That is surrealism, yeah, hair is hair.

Interesting. Well, good for you, Kathy. Yeah, well, she does not know what surrealism is.

No. But she, in a moment, actually created some art on that chair. But anyway, we got a performance from a yellow cat.

I kind of had Kyle sentiment where I was surprised that this is at a Sutton party. I was, and I knew immediately that Eric was going to love it. Oh,

yeah. Immediately as soon as I saw the outfits And then they started singing And they started out of the lyrics But yeah, as soon as it started Eric is going to love this I was afraid she was going to join I was like she's going to get on stage right now

And her outfit's close enough Or she could dance with them I think she's past that part of her life I hope so Unless she's drunk at a Christmas party And singing along with Asher We need Asher back Right?

Did you ever think you would say that? Yes Oh you've been okay You've been holding on to that I think what he did it I said we needed this every year We do need that every year If we could, or at least don't watch what happens live.

Bring him back. Just have him sing once and have Erica drunk in the stands and she can sing along with them. Perfect. That's great. It's a wholesome scene. It's all right. I'm down for that. I'll fuck with that.

But Yellow Cat sings Superpower Pussy. Cool. Erica, Jane and Sutton are friends now. Erica says, you know, I want to kill her sometimes. But yeah, like they, she throws a good party. So I'm glad that they're biving. And it all wraps up with Kyle and Derreet. And they decide to have a little conversation off to the.

the side. Before we even talk about it, I will say once again, after watching the scene, Team Derreet all the way. She sits down. They're going back and forth a little bit. And, you know, Kyle, very half-ass goes, I know, I'm sorry about PK. And look, there's a lot of hurt. There's a lot of feelings. We both have her own sides. And she brings up the Amazon Live thing and questioning their entire friendship. And DeRite's, like, she's had enough. Understandably so. because I don't think Kyle's giving enough attention to what you've said. You're trying to sit down and have a heart-to-heart with your friend. You've said multiple times that you're not real friends.

And this is somebody, Doreet definitely, whether Kyle believed they were real friends or not along the way, I don't know. I do think she did. I think she's using this as a cop-out. Yeah. Doree definitely thought you were friends. This whole conversation made no sense to me. This was the butt of what Kyle had been doing for the last year. Yes.

You can see where Doreet is, and that's why I say that Doree has been very consistent in saying. I'm really confused because I thought we were close. Our kids are close. You texted PK. There's so much going on here and you've never been a good friend to me. You have been in the past but you haven't been recently. And now you're claiming that we're not friends. Yes. And Kyle was genuinely

perplexed saying I thought we were closer than that. I didn't think that you would do that and we bring up the the Kathy Hilton or rate the Richard Sisters thing. It is insane to me that Kyle's able to go back and forth on this. I just don't understand where she's There's no weight at all.

All you have to do is say, you know what, I'm sorry. I should have been there for you. I hope that everything's okay and I hope you can lead on me. Doreet is rightfully so frustrated with Kyle and wants to sit there and talk to her. Does she trip over her words? Is she super messy? Trips over the hat, of course. That's Doree.

Of course, that's Doree. But I've never questioned Doreet's feelings towards Kyle as a friend ever. I've questioned your feelings towards Doreet through your actions, but also because you're telling us that you guys aren't friends. Correct. So you lose this. You immediately lose this. So just pick aside, either try to make up with her and say that you guys are friends and everything's going to be okay.

Or if you're not close and you're not friends, then say that to her. That's all you have to do. She did what she did to Sutton last year. And when she's done multiple times to multiple people, Derreet's a little fired up. She's not yelling at you and she's certainly not being aggressive. She's had it and she's voicing her opinion because she feels hurt. She's like, well, I'm not going to do this. You're going to be so aggressive.

She plays the victim and she's. She's gaslighting the shit out of the street, which in turn is going to ramp her up. And now she is going to cause a scene because you won't hear her out. She's telling you what's up. You want to know, here's how she feels. And in the beginning, was it a little abrasive? Yeah. Was it aggressive?

Certainly not. Now it's going to get aggressive because you're doing that thing that you do where you're like, I'm not going to do this if you're going to do that. This is, first and foremost, this is a housewife show. So shit's going to get amped up. Match the energy or fuck off. second of all we watched this behavior

for too long from Kyle if you can't stand in the heat get out of the kitchen you're gaslighting and now she can't get across what if you want to solve this if you want to get to the other side of it and Dev had a really good point

I think that what Kyle's trying to do with the rank the Richard Cisterners and all that other stuff she's looking for reasons to not be friends with Doreet she's trying to find a way out and here Doreet's trying to tell you exactly why and we don't get

this out of Doree. That was raw. Yeah. I think what she was about to say would have been the most genuinely senior. I think she's still very upset about the whole thing. So she was about to tell your actual feelings which we don't get a lot and you gaslight her off and play the whole, I'm not doing this. We're going to do this. Then don't do it, period. Don't have the conversation with it. Yeah.

It's just irritating. And when I walk away from that scene, I'm going, Doreet's 100% in the right here. Because you've actually said mean shit. Dorete really hasn't said that much mean shit. She sided with your sister, which is the kiss of death because of whatever underlying issues you have amidst your family, fine.

Tell her that. Say, hey, you want to know what it is? You want to know what my problem is? Kathy. Your relationship with Kathy? I think it's fucked up. All right, cool. Let's get into it now.

There's reasons, yeah. Yeah, but don't skirt around it and then play like a scared puppy dog like you're being mean. You started this shit because you keep going on different platforms saying that you've never been friends. That's really fucking mean, especially considering this person's now alone. has little kids looking for friends,

thought she had a close friend in you, and you are going around saying you're not friends because you're going through your own weird journey. That's mean. So she's mad, and you can't even withstand the heat when she's pressing you a little bit, and you're playing the... If this is what Kyle's going to do all season,

she's going to get absolutely crushed. Roasted. She is going to get destroyed because there are other sharks in the water. There's other people that are going to go after you for all of your inconsistencies, the way that you've treated others. it's going to all come to a head if this is the defense that you're going to take.

It doesn't work. You need to figure out where you stand and go with that. But look, I think it's got a lot of hope this season. I do too. I'm very hopeful for the season. I enjoy watching it. It was a good first episode. I'm happy we got right into everything.

There's going to be fallout and there's going to be re-escalation. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I think. I agree. I think we're looking at a good season. And here's my reasons why, because we don't have questions, because you guys haven't seen it yet. No big deal, we got the screener. It's not a big deal.

Relax, everybody. But you haven't seen it yet, so no questions. But what I do think we're going to see after watching this, I think we're going to see an unhinged Dorit eventually. I think it's going to be very entertaining. I think it'll be extraordinarily messy because she trips over words. Ryan Bailey said something similar last night. she's not the most composed when she gets ramped up. So I think that it's going to be sloppy,

but I think it's going to be really entertaining. Yeah. I think we're going to see Erica trying to play mediator a little bit, but I think eventually someone's going to say something to piss her off and push her over the edge. I think we might see a Sutton. And again, Ryan alluded to this, that maybe gets fed up and might be a little bit solo this season.

Yeah, I think she's gotten to the point now where she's a standalone. can handle her own business and we might see a maybe a villain arc i don't know we'll see i don't know i do think that we may have her on soon and we can ask her hint hint but that's kind of my prediction i think the main thing will obviously be kyle and derip i think it's going to be way more entertaining than i'm prepared for which is my big hope and then i think bo's is is going to round this cast out with somebody that we've needed to bring into the cast to show that we can bring new housewives into Beverly Hills and be successful. Last year, everyone we tried to bring in.

No flops. No flops. We brought in Anne Marie who was awful and then Denise Richards what the fuck was that? Agreed. That was bizarre. So I agree. I'm looking forward to it. I'm cautiously optimistic as we like to be here. Yep. That will have a better year than last year and lots to look forward to.

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