Bros & Shows - Is Jax Worse Than Sandoval? Part 2 (The Valley Finale Full recap Part 2)

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Whats up Bros? It's the conclusion of the Valley Finale and this episode is focused around the "6 months after" time frame. Jesse and Michelle are getting a divorce, we see a very tough scene as they discuss how to navigate their finances, business, coparenting and housing situations. It seems as Michelle is fully checked out and Jesse is still not handling it very well despite them being in the process of a divorce. Both agree the most important thing is to be good parents to Isabella, and recent social media posts show them coexisting and coparenting successfully, so hopefully that continues for Isabella's sake. We check in with Brittany who is still reeling from everything but it seems that she has finally snapped out of whatever spell Jax had her under. She has moved out (way to go Jax, kick your wife and kid outta the house) she is currently living in an AirBnB and she is very aware of all the craziness that Jax has put her through. Jason checks on Jax and its the same sob story we've heard from him since his early days on VPR. He needs to get help, he's got something wrong with him etcetera etcetera... Its been his same defense forever, the only problem is he never actually gets help because he doesn't actually care. On the Bravo Extended Version on Peacock we find out that Doute and Luke went through a miscarriage back in October, which shame on Bravo for editing that out on the original if Doute was willing to share. But thoughts and prayers to them as they navigate that difficult road. The final scene is Jax and Brittany and she is a different woman now. She calls Jax out on all the B.S. that he's trying to set up as an out and Jax has LITERALLY DONE ZERO TO TRY TO CHANGE OR GET BETTER. He's checked out. He sucks. Team Brittany. Move on with your life and find a new man. Brittany makes the money, she's got the career, leave that POS in the dust. Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to the conclusion of the Valley finale. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one of the one of the one of the and only Valley Magout's so much better when you do it with some confidence I know that was my mistake but you know that's the thing about life it's all about growth it finds away it no don't take away from my moment it's about growth it's about making a mistake and improving upon it to

become better okay yeah that's well welcome back if you're here jack said at the end of this Oh, fuck you. Don't even. I think he said that all this verbatim. No, he said what he always says. And, like, if you had watched the early seasons of EPR, you would have heard the same exact speech that they gave Brittany. I will save that for later.

But welcome back. Hopefully you had a little potty break. Maybe got yourself a snack. Hopefully you washed your hands as well. In between? Hopefully. Well, yeah, if you're going to have a snack and you went pee-pee. You should wash your hands after you go peepee anyway.

Yeah, that's what I mean. So hopefully the hands are washed as you're having your snack. I don't know why I'm stuck on this. But it is the conclusion of our Valley finale episode. We're going to jump right in unless you have anything. No, I got nothing. And let's just get into it. Let's get into it.

But we left off with the hard six months later, which we love a good six months later. Anytime we get a time frame on the TV, we're excited. Maybe because we don't usually know when we are. We got a time frame at a date. We got a time frame. March 24th, 24th. Yep. Was it March 24th, 24th?

2024. Oh, okay. I just wrote March 2024. But we get a montage. of a separation, like, of Jacks and Brittany and all of their relationship together. We've gotten so many breakup montages over the past year. The one of the end was, like, great. I just need...

I think they just had that footage from the VPR one that they did already. Oh, probably. Like, let's just pull out the Jacks and Brittany of it all, and we'll just put it in there. We're just going to keep throwing together breakup montages across all Bravo shows, which is kind of sad, but it is interesting to watch it back. It's kind of funny. How does this man sit in a confessional and say, say, I didn't see this coming.

He was sitting there doing, sorry, I just yawned. I don't know what the fuck that was about. He was sitting there making himself cry. He was doing like the, um, he was poking himself in the eye. You know how like when hockey players, because in hockey you get a more severe penalty if there's blood and hockey players will like bite their lip to try to draw some blood? Okay. That's what Jacks was doing, trying to make himself cry.

Oh, he is a hockey guy. Yeah. So that makes sense to me. He was just rubbing his eyes and rubbing his eyes bigger. At the end of whatever confessional, I'm sure he before started doing that, he was probably dicking around and doing some other shit. Oh, for sure. And as soon as the scene was over, he's like, anybody want to go get a drink? Yeah.

No, he says, I don't, I didn't see this coming and never thought I'd be in this position. Like, I don't know how you can look back on the past. He was blindsided. Oh, stop it. Like, the fact that you don't have any self-awareness to be like, hmm, should have seen this coming. Maybe. She asked me a million times. to be better in every single facet of my life.

Every fiber of my being was being an asshole. And I didn't even try to change anything. I can't believe this happened. And I think that he is so stuck on like the 1950s way of being married where it's like you can be a dick to your wife and she's going to stick it out. Yeah, but in the 1950s, men also don't cry. You're forcing herself to cry. So figure it out, dude.

You're contradictory. I don't know what you're thinking. Yeah, figure it. out dickhead but we start out with jesse and malibu the dog which i pointed out to dev is this a breakup dog because jackson brittany's dog looks a lot like malibu yeah wasn't the same bad omens around those little dogs are bad maybe i don't know if anyone has those are going to hate us right i know we i'm sure your dog's great i'm sure you're nobody has well they're they're currently looking at their partner like oh shit foreshadowing

I'm sure it's fine. Yeah, totally. There's no way that breed of dog had anything to do with it. It's just a little weird. No, they're just shitty people, not shitty dogs. Last time we said something about a dog, we got roasted. So, the dog's great. What?

We got skewered. Oh, classic. Anybody that gets that one, you're our kind of people. But Jesse and Malibu, are sitting there as Michelle is coming in. I was confused. I thought she was dropping off Isabel. She's actually picking up some of Isabel's stuff.

I was confused too. But this is, they are separated in the process of getting divorced. And I guess three days after rap, Michelle called it off, which, again, these dudes need to get their heads out of their ass a little bit because he goes, it made me feel like a fucking idiot. And I was blindsided. At what point when she was saying to you, I don't have the feelings for you anymore. Was it not pretty apparent that this was coming?

I don't know. He lives in Dululand. He's sitting there thinking, well, she did say that, but maybe I can get her to come back if I go on one more ayahuasca trip. But I just don't, and I'm not trying to take away. He does seem torn up about this. Again, we talked about it last episode. I don't know if it is the fact that his marriage is over and he's missing his wife. I don't know if it's, I think it's more so Isabella at all.

I think that is definitely the major factor, which is good. And I'm glad that they're highlighting her in this, where it's like, we need to figure this out for her. Right. Look, the modern family is a very real thing these days. And that's the biggest thing is being able to coexist and co-parent. And you can't be the best parent you can be if you're in a relationship that doesn't work. So by you two being happier, you will in turn be better parents. And Dev told me that there was a post where Jesse was at a party.

with Michelle and one of them had a significant other there. It was either Jesse's girlfriend or it was Michelle's boyfriend. I think Jesse was dating somebody. I think Michelle was also dating somebody. Maybe it was all four of them. I don't know. But apparently they were all hanging out together. They helped clean up after the party.

Everything was cool. So like that kind of stuff's great. I don't want to take away from that part of it. Like if they are able to coexist and co-parent effectively and get along, like, fuck, yeah, that's great. Do what you got to do for the kid. Awesome. So I don't want to take away.

But it doesn't make this scene any easier. to watch. This seems hard to watch. This is really tough to watch. And you try to juxtapose it to the last scene that we get here. This is completely different. This is very, very different. This is way too real. And it just seems like there's just clearly no way forward, but they're in so many different lands right now. Jesse is still coming to grips with it. He's still trying to figure it out. He still has so many emotions that he's displaying. He's sad. He's angry. He doesn't know what the hell to think. And Michelle, as we've seen in the past, cold, no emotion.

She's very matter of fact. She's checked out. She's just trying to get through it to the point where she just wants him to sign the fucking papers. And he's like, well, no. There's so many things that I have to do here. And then you have poor Isabella in the other room has no idea what's going on. She just needs more barbecue sauce. Get her more barbecue sauce.

Please, get her more barbecue sauce. She just wants to have them with her dino nuggies. Which, of course, you want them with your dino nuggies. Absolutely. Because barbecue sauce on dino nuggies slaps. Absolutely slaps. That's the thing. As they're going back and forth, or not really back and forth, as Jesse's going in, you can tell what he's doing.

He's trying to elicit an emotional response to see if there's anything in there. Do you care at all? And she just doesn't. But as they're going through the fine print of everything, like you said, this is tough to watch. It falls under, we have a category here where it's like things that we probably should not see. Yeah. this falls under that category it's like we're watching a marriage dissolve

and they're trying to figure out the financial standing of it they're trying to figure out the business they're trying to figure out they're scheduling with the kid I know there's a lot of shit here where you're like oh this is this is really real the other thing is they've been doing it for what six months now so this is still

where they are and I'm sure it was much worse months ago and I do think the timing has a play here where Michelle did it three days after cameras stopped rolling She probably didn't want to do this on camera And Bravo's like, wait a minute Brittany and Jacks are separated You guys are separated

We're picking cameras back up Let's see how this goes Let's bring you two together I don't want to do this on camera I don't want to deal with any of this I just want to move on And then just try to deal with Jesse The best that I can

And look, I mean I get it I haven't been through a divorce So I don't know how any of that works But she just wants it to go through And he's sitting there Talking about how you have to Look, they're designed

their business too. They work together. They did a lot of things. He wants all of the things from work. He wants all of her leads. He wants, I even remember what he wants. Michelle doesn't, but I remember what he wants. And he's going through all of the things that they need to do. And all she's singularly focused on is sign the divorce papers. Yep. I don't think that she gets that aspect of it. But it, again, I mean, it's just got to be such murky waters that it just, it's impossible to navigate. Yeah. And depending on how amicable the divorce is, that's where it gets, it can get really shitty as far as trying to divvy everything up, especially when you are in business together.

They're no longer in business together, but now it's like, all right, well, who gets these leads and who gets our current contracts and who gets all of these different things? And financially, they're both on their own now. I will point out again, and I'll do this later, I'm, it's the first thing I said to Dev when they walk into the house. I'm like, oh, so Jesse kept the house? Yeah, it just shows the Michelle's a completely different breed. She walks in and she goes, I made it easy for him.

Yeah. I moved out. I bought furniture. I did all of the things on my own. It's like, that doesn't make it easy on him. That probably makes it harder because it shows how quickly you're able to move on. Well, I was more leaning towards the side of like, Jesse, get the fuck out. Yeah.

If you're going to, if the divorce, I know it's hard. I know it's not your decision, but knowing Michelle after this whole season, I guarantee, to you, it was a bam, bam, bam, bam process. She probably already, and she did it before. Yeah, she just wanted to get out of there. We talked about this,

whatever she did last year. She was ready to go. She had already found a place, and he didn't even know about any of that until she said something, and then he had to grovel until she decided to stay. So she just did it again. I think that,

unfortunately, she has expertise of this. Well, I mean, look, I don't fault her at all if that was the thing she wanted to get out. I had more fault, Jesse, for not being like, you take the house.

But the way that the parenting schedule is set up, or it's two days, two days, two days, two days, the house is down the street. It's just for me in that moment, I don't know. There's something not right about that. I don't know why. It's like, Jesse, just get out. Like, it's over.

I know it sucks. I know you're not the one deciding it, but like, give her the house. I don't know why. That's just stuck in my brain. But, oh, he loves that house. He loves being close to the chateau. They're both close to the chateau. I thought it was really funny when somebody makes that joke later where it's like, oh,

you can still walk to the chateau. I'm like, ooh, go see Tarantino. but it gets settled pretty much with this is about Isabella and I'm glad as I said already they're on the same page about that and that's what's important here it seems like they're figuring that out they're navigating it and that's based off of one social media post so I won't speak on it too much we'll see what happens next season I hope that that maintains throughout because there is no reason to make it harder for the kid so you two figure figure your shit out be grownups figure it the fuck out for your

for your chilled. For your chilled. For your chilled. Figure it out. But moving on from there, we get just a very quick touch and go with Janet, Michelle, and Nia, and we find out that Janet had her baby

and Brittany's coming over. But before we get to that, we get Jacks and Jason. Got to point out that... I don't know. Let me reset that up. But then we get a good old juxtapose scene. We get Janet, Michelle, and Nia,

and Brittany's going to come over. They're the girls. And then we get Jax with Jason at Jax's bar. I have to point out, Jax doesn't know how percentiles work. Yep. With babies, which is pretty shocking.

He's in the 60th percentile for height. Mm-hmm. Pretty straightforward. Yep. I don't understand where your brain goes, but honestly, I'm nitpicking everything that he says. Yeah. When he says something like that, like, oh.

I'm not surprised that he doesn't know how it works. I just mean. Yeah, when he's like, oh, Brittany, Brittany dealt with that. It's like, you don't. even have the time to give a shit when Brittany would tell you, oh, he's in the 60th, whatever percentile for this and that. Like, you still don't have time for her because she annoys you so much that you just were checked out of that to the point where you don't understand percentages.

What do you mean? I mean, I can see that conversation. It's pretty much just Brittany saying cruises in the 70th percentile for weight. And Jackson goes, what does that mean? We have a fat baby? Yeah. We have a fat baby. What do we have to do?

Am I fat? Are you feeding them too much, Brittany? What are you feeding them too much? Are you calling me fat, too? Yeah. Get out. Get out. I'm going to the bar.

That's how the conversation was. And scene. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck him. But Brittany arrives to the house and she's feeling okay. And they talk about post-filming at Jackson, Brittany's. And as soon as the cameras dropped, to nobody's surprise, it got worse and worse and worse, which is scary considering what we've seen on camera.

I can't imagine what it's like to be in that house off camera. And again, Brittany moved out because Jacks wouldn't leave the house. So this is different. I agree with you. Michelle was probably like, I already got a. place it's already furnished i'm getting out now yep i guarantee this is a knockdown drag out of you need to leave and jacks is like no no because it's not my decision i'm not getting in this house this is my house yeah i built this house no you didn't and she paid more for the

house more than likely she paid for the majority of the house even though he claims to have gone 50 50 he could have gone and lived at tom's house oh man he could have he could have they're in the same neighborhood. You could have gone and lived with Tom Sandoval. Don't say that. Don't say that. He could have. I'm not saying he should. Not saying it because of that. I don't want that to come to fruition. No, I know. That's why you don't want me to say it. Yeah. You're just going to poke the bear? Yeah. Okay, cool. Fun. It's a fun game. Don't ruin this show by bringing Sandoval on it. Please, for the letter. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't want that. I'm saying that would happen.

And then now. Oh, okay. I was thinking you were thinking about a spinoff. No. Tom, Tom, and Jacks in a house. No, nobody wants to. That would be the most depressing show ever. That would be called How Not to Be a Man. Yeah. And Santa Valle's dad and his 60-year-old remains. Wait a minute.

Now I'm intrigued. You got me back in. You reeled me back in. The Golden Batchel. Yeah, the Golden Sandoval. No, I'm out again. But this also pissed me off, too. Janet, who has had her baby, so now it's definitely fair game.

I don't like when people do this in certain moments this being one of them Janet says you're nicer than me you don't think that Britney fought for the house you don't think that there was a fucking terrible argument in which she was like I need to get out of here now

I need to pack my shit and leave immediately this is escalating I gotta get the fuck out of here to say you're nice than me and implying that you would have been able to stand your ground and get Jacks out of the house and that she is lesser than for not being able to just proves what I've thought about Janet

forever. That's... She has a superiority complex. And a lot of people do that and they don't realize maybe in the moment that they're insinuating

that they're better than the person you're talking to. But that is exactly what you're doing. Yep. And it might be subconscious. Maybe you think you're being a helpful friend.

You're not. You're not. You're just pat yourself on the back. And making her feel worse. Uh-huh. She got forced out of her own house with her kid.

Yeah. That sucks. And not to go to another house that she is renting. It's an Airbnb. She probably got it on the cuff. It's like, shit,

I need a place to go. go booked an Airbnb and is paying for it for months. Luckily, she does way better than Jack so she can afford an Airbnb for months because she actually has her shit together. But I didn't like the implication there at all. It was not necessary. Like, okay, Janet, you're better than her. Great job.

Do you feel better now? But cut quickly to Jacks and Jason, different story. Jacks goes, she just said, I'm leaving. I took Cruz and then she just got out. No shot. Maybe she did that after four hours. Seven weeks in. Seven weeks in and after a four hour screaming match of you saying probably horrible things to her,

that's probably when she decided she needed to get the fuck out, but there's no way. There's no cameras there, so Jackson said whatever he wants. Exactly. And we get confirmation of it because the straw that broke the camel's back. She goes, he was going to the bar, coming home, hung over his shit. The next day he was so mean. and the last day, like my wake-up call was he more or less kicked the door open and was like, why is Luke texting me if you need to talk?

I'm here because somebody in your circle, probably not even Brittany because she's terrified of you, somebody went, Jacks is going off the rails. Luke, somebody, anybody, can you please talk to him? And by the way, put the pieces together, Jacks. Who would have told Luke to check in on you? Brittany or Doty? Probably Doty. There you go.

Well, I mean, when I saw that and it went through, I was thinking the way that it happened was Brittany, was talking to Doty, who then took it upon herself to tell Luke to text up. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, Luke isn't going to do that. Luke doesn't like you. No. He's not going to do that on his own, but he's a thousand percent going to do it if his girlfriend tells him to do it. And from all that we've seen the season is a stand-up guy, so he's going to check in and be like, hey, bro, are you okay? Because it doesn't sound great. And then your response to that is to yell at your wife.

Yeah, that's insane. That's crazy talk, but it's almost a blessing in disguise because after screaming at Britney for hours, which, again, I feel so bad for her, but after getting yelled at for hours, something hit her, boom, she finally woke up where she's like, oh, my God, I need to leave immediately, I need to get out of here. And I'm sure that's where there's probably back and forth of who needs to get the house or whatever, or maybe that's settled and she wanted to, who knows what happened with the house.

he should have left the fucking house period but that wake-up call is pretty much the lightning rod for change that she needed to finally snap out of what we have watched since she was on Vanderpump rules and if you've seen their relationship over the years it is the constant defensive jacks

bending the need to him to make sure that everything can continue to move forward that they don't fall apart that this relationship stays together She made so many sacrifices that she lost herself in the process, and this may have been the only way that she was able to snap out of it. So if that's the silver lining, okay, great, because she's now out. But as they're discussing this, you know, we get the reminder that Michelle and Jesse are done, kaput, no hope there.

Brittany, how are you feeling? Is it over for you, too? And she still has a little fight after her. What did she say she's at the peak or she's at the... She's at the point of which, you know, it could go either way. She's not fully out. Exactly. But she does feel, oh, she said tipping point.

She's right at the tipping point. And that makes sense because, look, I mean, we've seen Brittany for years and years do this. And she's finally at least at the point where she recognizes, hey, this could go to the other side, which is way more than we've ever seen. And I felt so bad for her because she's talking about how she feels like she could let her family down. And as soon as she said, let my family down, I know. I thought she really meant Jax and Cruz. She met her actual family. So now there's pressure on both sides where Jackson is being an asshole and he's telling

her that she, he's not saying, I need you to come back. He's just guilt-tripping her, talking about Cruz, talking about the family. How could you ever do this to us? How could you ever do this to me? Things like that or it's exactly what Jack's is saying. But she doesn't want to let her family down because I'm sure it was a knock-down, drag-out fight to get her family to accept Jax. Oh, yeah.

Just to even have them. be in the same room as him because they realize how much of a piece of shit he is and they're probably sitting on the other side like this is the best thing for you but she's afraid to even broach the subject on that i can't imagine trying to juggle all of that and meanwhile raising a kid and being a single mom at this point i mean jacks has the bar in the podcast that's a lot so does she and they're still doing it together the podcast that's the craziest part to me is they're still making episodes but we go back to jackson jason and this is seriously the quintessential jacks taylor conversation and he does it again later but he says look man i need therapy like i need to fix

some things i got to do this all he's doing is saying the right things in front of the camera and anybody that and i don't think there is anybody out there there's no way that there's any jack stands that like heard this and we're like see he's going to make it better himself he's trying to figure it out we just saw the montage of the montage of of Jack's saying that he needs to go to therapy on the VPR reunion. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, this is his M.O. He says what he thinks people want to hear and he thinks that people believe

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and they're coming in to check on her and make sure everything's okay. they're talking about the Airbnb and Zach gives her props and I'm glad that people are giving her pats on the back for certain things that I'm sure she's feeling kind of stupid about where he's like look I give you props for lasting as long as you did for how bad it was for so long which is such a it seems so small but I guarantee she racks her brain all the time now that she's kind of woken up and looked back at everything and I'm sure she's embarrassed I'm sure she feels manipulated used and the fact that in that moment you can say good for you for trying yeah i'm sure goes a long way so that was a good

moment for for zach but it is just funny to see brittney sitting down with her true friends who are all telling her it's about time you got to this yeah and look as much as it sucks that's still supportive it is that's still good friends that are saying look you've gotten to the point where at least you've moved out not fully moved out but you've separated yourself from that toxic environment while Jacks is sitting over there talking to Jason and talking to the confessional saying you know what this space is good for us it's giving us time to think

Jacks isn't doing any thinking he's just running around town with his publicist and doing whatever the fuck he wants and going to the bar and an only fans model now what Brittany is doing and he might think that what's going to happen is we're going to have some space

I'm going to be able to do what I want to do and Brittany's going to get sad and Brittany's going to talk to people and she's going to realize that she needs to come back to me and I'm just going to wait for that to happen. That's what Jacks is doing. What's actually happening is all of these friends are there for Brittany telling her she's doing the right thing. So instead of her getting closer to you because

she's getting sad, she's getting further and further away and starting to realize she doesn't need you. And it's not as scary as everybody says it is. It's not as scary as people in St. Louis are saying that it is because it's a different world. It's a different life over there. She's realizing this is normal. St. Louis. Yeah. Isn't that where she's from? Kansas City. Kentucky. Kentucky? Fuck. whatever. The south, the mid-south area. Louis isn't even in the south. It's in the Midwest. Whatever, dude. Whatever, dude. It's the gateway to the Midwest. So on the other side, it's the mid-south. You go through the gateway, you're in the Midwest. Geography. Yeah. Geography. Not to take away from your point. You're 100% right. And Doty even points that out. She says, Jack isn't taking this seriously. He thinks that one day you're going to come back groveling. I want to be back with you and walk back into his life.

and we're seeing the opposite. Britney's doing confessional saying, look, I've got friends, I've got family out here, I've got money. Jack's got butt hurt because I brought all the money in and took charge.

She's realizing she don't need no man and that is amazing. Get yourself away from this fucking guy and live your life. You can have such a better life without him. You don't need him financially. You don't need him for anything other than to be a father to cruise

which hopefully he can step up and do that. I won't knock his fatherhood. I don't know. And that's a low shot to take. Hopefully he's able to step up there and you guys can figure that out. But there is no reason in hell ever that you need to go back to this dude because he has not changed. And I think the conversation

we're about to discuss between the two of them hopefully really opened her eyes to that that there is no saving grace here. But time will tell. We'll see. We do find out that Zach has a boyfriend named Benji. They've been dating for six months. We found out a bit of air sculpting that Doty got

which is funny because I remember this Instagram. Yeah, I saw the Instagram too, yeah. That's air sculpting. Zach got hit with some fat, some body fat, I think. Yeah, as they were sculpting, I guess it can, that's shoot all over the place. The fact that he was so like, yeah, you know, I got a little bit on me. I was like, brought us closer.

It's like, that's gross. Something inside should not be outside on you. That made me, that was yucky. Yucky. Yeah, I didn't care for that. Nope. The good thing is they seem to. to be happy.

Everyone seems to be happy. Brittany seems to be working away through it. And the fact that she has support, that's the biggest thing. Well, the good thing for the future of the show is Brittany had two separate sessions with friends with Janet, Michelle, and Nia in one room, and Zach and Kristen in the other. So there's no reconciliation going on yet. Oh, it's a good point. Yeah, we get to see more next year. Nice.

You're looking. Yeah, I'm looking forward. I'm looking forward. I like that. And then... I'm a little bummed out at Bravo as a whole because this scene was only in the extended version on Peacock and the fact that Doty was willing to open up and be vulnerable about something that is extremely difficult to discuss, especially given her journey to get pregnant. I was disappointed in Bravo that this was not in the main episode. It should have been in the main episode, like I said, she was willing to discuss it, put it on the fucking screen.

Yeah. We find out that her and Luke actually did get pregnant in October. It was like a nine-week pregnancy. She ended up losing the baby, which is awful. And I'm sure hopefully we will get to touch on that and know what they're going through with it next season if they're willing to talk about it. Yeah. It just, it bummed me out that, because we like to point out those moments where people let us in on. Yeah, when they're vulnerable and they let us in on their personal lives and tough things that they've gone through.

Yeah. And so for them to just gloss up. over that I thought was fucked but props to her for being willing to share that because i jesus christ like there's nothing nothing more we can say on it really it's just a terrible tough situation and they seem that they're still together and they're figuring things out hopefully they're able to bring a baby into this world everything goes well uh they're still on that journey so uh yeah i just wanted to make sure we highlighted that because one fuck bravo for for whiffing on that one That seemed like a layup to show that.

And two, yeah, we feel for both Dodey and Luke, that stuff. Absolutely. But here we go. This is the big scene. And this is Jackson, Brittany. They meet at the house and just the way he introses it. You're like, you're not taking this seriously. Nope.

What's the plan? You're not going out for the weekend, pal. This is your marriage. Come in with something stronger than that. The fact that you're not on your knees saying, I'm so sorry for everything. Please take me back. tell me what I have to do, that would still not be enough, but at least it's a good start. Not what's the, don't put it on her.

Nope. Because you're the problem. The plan is you need to figure out everything, head to toe you need to change for this to even have a shot in hell. And it's still probably not going to work because you're never going to change. But what's the plan is terrible? I can't even fucking figure it out because we're watching this and we've watched them together. It's clear that Jacks does not want to be married. read. Thank you.

Very clear that Jacks does not want to be matter. Even in this scene, he keeps in, so we're done, we're done? He's hinting at it and trying to drive her down there, but everything else that he's doing and the way that he's reacting to her, he's still getting angry that she has thoughts of her own, God forbid. God forbid she has thoughts and feelings, Jacks. That's insane. But he's still sitting there and all of his actions are saying he'd be fine if Brittany,

because I guess it would be a stroke to his ego, if Brittany were to turn around and say, look, Jacks, you know what, let's try to figure this out and we'll get back together. he'd be happy about that. It would just go right back to the exact same behavior that we saw before. But I don't understand this. If you just want to break up with her, just fucking do it. I think he's got this whole idea planned out where I don't believe in divorce. But if I can be the divorce victim and Britney's the one who leaves me, then I can get some sympathy.

That's exactly what he wants. I agree. But it's not going to work because you look like the fucking asshole. If this just happened without cameras, then maybe there would be some weirdos out there saying, oh, you know, Jacks was the one who got left. I wonder what happened there. Maybe he was trying. Who the fuck knows?

There's people out there that are weirdos. But everything was on camera. And Brittany came into this conversation ready to go. She had a fucking plan. She sat down with her friends. She's got confidence in everything that she's saying. This is a new Brittany that we haven't seen. And we're ready for it.

And Jacks was not. No, he was so caught off guard. And the minute that he starts doing that, she's like, look, you're not getting away with this anymore. You're not going to do the shit. You need to go to the doctor. He's like, I scheduled an appointment.

I scheduled an appointment. And she's so on. So quick. So on. She's like, when? He's like, what? She's like, when? He's like, yesterday.

Oh, interesting. You knew cameras are coming back so you made sure you had your appointment. And by the way, that's bullshit. You're not going to go. You did this just for the camera just so you could try to look good. You tried to set this up ahead of time. Why wouldn't you lie and say that you made it three weeks ago? You fucking moron?

There's so many other things you could have gone. He got caught off guard. He thought that by saying I sketched. a therapy appointment would be enough. But this is a different Brittany. This is a Brittany that's going to dig. A Britney before wouldn't have dug because she knows the answer. Brittany knows that he's not going to go.

But at least in the moment she could be like, oh, he made the appointment. Like, we can have a nice night tonight maybe. Now she's over the bullshit. So now she's like, okay, when? Tell me when. You're not going to fucking go. You did this for the cameras, you piece of shit. Cut to Jackson's confessional.

Yeah, I didn't go. Oh, why? You know, was it just too tough? You don't want to dive into your feelings? It's really far. It's really far. I was a little scared, but it was, it's also just really far. It's like in Malibu.

Like it takes time to set it up. In Santa Clarita. Fucking use better help. Yeah. Use your phone. Like do anything. Make an effort. Try.

Don't, you can't sit on both sides of the fence. Like you just said, if you're going to get out of this, if you want to be divorced, then fucking grow a pair of balls. You know the problem is, though? If he wants to get divorced, that's work. If he wants to get back together, that's also work. Putting together a succulent wall, work. What does Jacks not want to do?

Fucking work. He doesn't want to be behind the bar of VPR. He's always been that person. He just doesn't want to work. He just wants to be in front of the camera and beat Jacks. And that's what he thinks that he brings to the table. And that's what he thinks he brings to the table with friendships and relationships and everything else. That would be hard work for him to actually sit down and say, look, you know what?

Maybe this isn't working. Maybe we need to divorce. He has to do shit in that scenario. If Brittany leaves him or she comes back together, it's easy for him. And that's all he really wants. That's a really good point. That's a great, great point. But it's hysterical to me that he can still get mad at her for her saying things.

If you made the appointment when I asked and like all of these different valid points of this is the way to have saved our marriage, he's rolling his eyes and grabbing his head like, oh, here we go again. It's like not here we go again. your reluctance and refusal to change is the fucking issue, dude. You've been the same guy for so long. How are you not embarrassed with yourself? How can you look at yourself in the mirror and call yourself a man or a father or a husband or anything that you like to billboard all over social media that you seem to think

is some kind of shield against being a piece of shit? It's not because you fail in all aspects of your life. And the one thing you could do to save your marriage Is just make an effort, bro That's it Make a fucking effort Go to the therapy appointment Tell her she looks pretty

Tell her that you miss her Tell her you love her And you're sad Thank her for the fucking bar Because it would be nothing without her Anything anything Anything would be better than what you're doing And this is where my heart starts to break again

Brittany starts getting upset She's like you took away my safe space I had to uproot and get out of here He was like you could have stayed Don't downplay her shit right now Let her have her moment let her be emotional. You have stunted her emotional growth for years because she's not allowed to have emotions.

You literally said, no, you're not allowed to cry. No, you're not allowed to have feelings. This is what you've done to her. So at the least you can do now when your marriage is on the fucking ropes is just sit back and let her have this. Let her get it out. But instead, you downplay it. You didn't have to leave. And again, new Brittany, what do you want me to do?

stay here in this disaster of a marriage where you're refusing to change and we sleep in separate bedrooms that's not healthy at all yeah no i can't do that you fucking moron so no i'm not gonna do that and i'm so glad that she has had this wake-up call and this is where you see the other side of jacks where he's like so you want it to end right like we're gonna it's trying to lead her down the path we're done you think we're done yep i don't want it i don't want to be done but but you we're done And she just flat out asks him, why have you not done anything? And as soon as these cameras turn off, Jacks, by the way, you're sitting there calm, cool, and collected and won a trophy for it.

As soon as the cameras go down, you're going to rage text the shit out of me. You're going to berate me via text message. And he's taken off guard because he was planning on doing that. Yep. Got called out, and he kind of chokes on his words. He's like, no. Yeah, you were, because that's your MO. Even to your own wife, you want to berate her on a text message.

I can't imagine doing that. I can't imagine thinking that that's okay. But cut to his fucking confessional. He's like, I'm waving the white flag here. I said she's right. I don't know what else I can do. I'm trying, is what he said. We just went through an entire scene where Brittany said you haven't tried once.

Any of the things that I just laid out, you didn't try to do any of those things. Don't go to the confessional and say you're waving the way flag and you're trying. You're not. It's also not rocket science. You're trying to get a divorce. That's what you're trying. You're trying to get. her to divorce you, but at the same time your ego can't take that hit, so you're also trying

to prevent it. But you know what? All we need to know about Jacks is they separated. He clearly doesn't give a shit because he's walking out of the gym and he's actually talking to TMC and actually giving them information? He's lying. He's lying about the information, but he's still like chipper and smiling and having a good time.

How'd you guys know I was going to be here? Well, it's a pretty popular gym and we've seen you here before. And you texted us. And you texted us and told us. And you had someone else text us and tell us, please stop texting us. We don't care as much as you think we do. Anytime you see one of those TMZ interviews, just a little PSA out there for our beautiful listeners. Yeah.

That's planned. If you're not aware, I'm sure. You're not an actual celebrity. I'm sure a reality celebrity. Yeah. Like, if you go back and rewatch the Sandoval ones, those were so planned. They let them know where they're going to be so they can have these moments. So don't get it twisted.

But regardless, she says you're also. continuing to lie on national television in social media all of these different things and he's like no i didn't and she goes yeah you did in that interview with tmz you said we moved back in together no i didn't roll the tape love that move let's roll the table let's listen back and he literally had that ship prepared oh she was ready to go she was on fire this scene and roll the tape back listen to the tape see the footage and he 100% said that and she goes you made me look like a liar People are questioning me in this thing, which is insane that anybody ever could, other than was this for... That was the only question that we had, yeah.

Because anybody that has a brain can be like, well, clearly the problem is Jacks. But the fact that you can still disparage her while this is all going on and still not have the wherewithal to be like, maybe I should protect the mother of my child in this and just shut the fuck up. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up for a while and let this pass and figure it out behind closed doors. but he can't do that. He needs the fucking spotlight. He lives and dies for it. And I fucking knew when he came back on TV. I was like, this is the end of everything for him.

Because he's back where he wants to be. He doesn't care about his family. He doesn't care about anything. As soon as he got back, he started planting the seeds of divorce. Yes. That's what he wants. He knows what reality TV can do. He's actually doing multiple things.

He opened a bar. Bars break up marriages on reality TV, going on to reality TV with your wife who you've had problems with in the past on reality TV is another thing that can break up your marriage. So he had all these plans and he was giddy about it.

He was just operating full jacks the whole season. I would actually say he didn't get as much mixed up with everybody else, but he was still making sure to downplay everything that Brittany did, go after her for everything that she said, and really ruin his own marriage. And that's what he wanted.

It is what he wanted. And he's on the past. right now, but I hope that when it's all said and done, he does not have a semblance of anything left. I hope that she takes everything from him. I hope she fucking ruins this guy because she deserves it. And I don't think, and by she deserves, I mean, she deserves all the come up and he deserves to be left in the fucking dust. I don't think she has it in her. And that's also a testament to her. I don't think that she wants to be vindictive about it. No, it's still the father of her child.

But he deserves fucking nothing. But that's why he deserves nothing. Now you have nothing. Tell me why you deserve to be in his life. Work your way back up. And I know, again, they've been pretty good about

focusing on Cruz except for the fact that he has to point out on social media via tech. He will screenshot a text about them talking about Cruz and it's a nice conversation about their kid. Screenshots it and posts on Instagram.

So everybody knows that Jack's Taylor's a good dad. be about it don't talk about it be about it shut the fuck up get off of socials like grow up I hate summer's here

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Jacks lied about her having a stroke on TV, on traitors. He literally said, I just got a call from my wife. She had a stroke. How do you lie about a stroke? It was a game where you're supposed to lie and you're supposed to deceive the people that you're talking to. With a stroke? With a life or death scenario? or a life-altering scenario,

that's Jacks. That's it. That's a T-shirt. Have the quote of him saying that, and then underneath, that's Jacks, because this guy is deplorable. He will, his depravity knows no pounds. But this is where you get,

and I've been hinting at it and touched on it slightly, but this is literally Jacks's go-to speech. And he said this, I would believe verbatim on VPR. He goes, something's wrong up here. And I need help. Yeah, you do, bro. But she's told you that for a long time.

You scheduled an appointment the day before cameras are about to roll, and you didn't even make it because it's too far away. You don't care about changing yourself. You don't want to change yourself. For whatever reason, you like yourself, which again, I can't imagine waking up in the morning, looking myself in the mirror, being that guy. I mean, like, you're killing it, bro.

no way everything's going great you're doing awesome at life and i usually don't get that mean with people because i think it's fucked up but fuck him yeah you deserve all this because of how you treat people but i don't like that he also meant in my family like we don't ask for help we don't ask for help we don't do that he's this is just him playing the victim but stop he's talking about how fucked up he is mentally we've heard about it before you still do nothing you're not going to do anything for your wife you're not going to do anything for for your kids then stop all of the shit that you're doing all of the social media stop being on

reality tv you know that it's bad for you you've said it in the past being on reality tvs bad for me in my marriage then don't go back on you knew this was going to happen and it happens and you're doing yourself no favors yep and uh it's just it's really it's sad it's sad for brittney uh you know and uh fake fucking run out the door at the end oh my god hey brittney get the fucking suck I wish he tripped and knocked out his two front teeth or broke his fucking stupid third nose job don't do that like you really think anybody watching he's going after her

get in the fucking house go to your bar go anywhere else just get off the TV for a while I don't need to fucking see this guy unless it's in the ring in an exhibition boxing match gonna keep pushing it all right let's get into some questions here we got a bunch here from lemb vibes

my opinion of Jesse has changed and I'm digging him Do you also find him attractive? Wait, Danny Pellegrino on his podcast said nobody, nobody get mad at me and don't tell anybody else is just between us. I guess I'm doing what he said not to do. But he has hundreds of thousands of people to listen to him. So he said that he's sexually attracted to Jesse. He doesn't know why I wish he wasn't, but he is. So you're not alone.

You're not alone. And you're in good company. I could see where he's an attractive guy. Sure, but he's such a snake that I don't, you know. not a snake I don't even know what he is he just he's just kind of an asshole he's just an asshole not even kind of yeah he's just an asshole uh this is sort of a hybrid question here from uh rachel michaelis what's worse no valley reunion or having to watch sandoval on the traders hmm ah i have to disagree with you there um i think neither of them are it's the worst

not having a valley reunion because it would be nice to have a reunion i think they did enough where I'm not, like, livid that there's no reunion. Sure, it would be nice to check in, but I'm also excited that there's, like, exciting cliffhanger, so I'm not. I'm okay with that, yeah. I'm also okay with, like, if there's anywhere that Sandoval fits in, it's on a show called Traders.

Yeah, exactly. And I think that we haven't watched it yet. I'm actually super excited to get into season three. He's going to get picked apart in that house. Yeah, it's going to be great to watch. I think it's going to be good TV. I don't like him, but it's going to be good TV. No, not.

at all. Bippity Boppity Blonde. If you were to host a reunion for the Valley, which question slash topic would you bring up? Probably, we've talked about this a million times. Probably the fact that that rumor never got back to Jacks. That would be a big one. Why did we never blame that on Jacks when he's the one I started it? Mine would be...

Janet, what the fuck are you doing? You have to invite the entire cast of the Babymoon? Yeah. And then, Jacks, why did you actually not make an effort? and I would just sit and wait and tell everyone else you're allowed to talk until he comes up with some kind of reasonable answer or just any answer that he can articulate.

Yeah. From LH-O-3, how will producers handle Jackson-Britney? Did they learn from Tom's failed redemption arc? I fucking hope so. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any redemption arc for Jacks because we've seen them try in the past on Vanderpump. It's impossible.

He's irredeemable. I think that we'll be fine. Again, they are still recording a podcast together. They went to the White House committee dinner together. They seem to be able to coexist. So I don't think we're going to have that issue. I would imagine the tougher duo is going to be Jesse and Michelle. Well, maybe not, though, because if the pictures that we saw where they're dating

and they're somehow coexisting, the interesting thing about this and, you know, take this with a massive grain of salt by calling these people grownups. but because they're, like, slightly older in their 40s or whatever going through all this shit, you would imagine that they are able to be grown-ups and coexist for the show. It's a bold statement I'm aware with this crew. But look, I also think that they're all very aware of, holy shit, we just produced a great season of TV guys. Let's come back together and get through this somehow.

Let's leave it alone. Let them just operate on their own. I don't think there's going to be as many hiccups with the marriages as we think there is, but there will be blowups along the way, which we want to see. That's so fucked. I know. From Lean with it. Rock with it.

Which Valley cast member would be best on the traders? I think Janet thinks that she'd be the best, but she wouldn't. She wouldn't. She'd be too obvious. Zach? Zach would be good. Jasmine would actually probably be really good. Jasmine could be really good.

Zach's probably by number of one. one pick. I think Danny would be a sneaky one. Danny would be very sneaky. Yeah, he would love it. Yeah, because he's so nice that I think that Danny would take people off guard if he started to play the game the right way. Speaking of Danny, I don't know where this question just went, but I'll find it.

The Dania method. The Dania method. Don't get me activated. From Jules MB2. What's the plan? What's the rescue plan for Nia and Danny? They're too good for this crew. We've been saying it all season.

Put them on a TLC show. Yeah. Give them a TLC show. It's just about them being. Honestly, put them on house hunters right now. I would watch that. Make them, oh, they could be a great host of like a family show looking for a house.

Yeah, absolutely. And they're the hosts. They went through it. They learned. And now they're doing this. Chip and Joanna Gaines. Yep. There you go.

We just, that's it. They're going to start their own magnolia farms. I used to love that show. What was that? What was that? Uh, fuck, what did they call it? Flip.

Flip or flop? No, no, that wasn't theirs. Um, it was just so funny because they'd buy up all these houses in Waco, which is, you know, Waco. Yeah. No shot to anybody in Waco. There's a lot of nice things in Waco, but they would buy houses in Waco and flip them. What was that show called? I don't know.

I don't know. Sounds like a Texas thing. Hey. Hey now. They got Baylor and Waco, that you know. All right. We'll do one more here from Evan Clark, top and flop cast member for the whole season. So we'll just do one top, one flop for each of us.

My flop is Janet. Okay. But again, like, here's the thing. Everyone did their job. Yeah. I can't take away from that. It is pretty tough, yeah. Janet, I'm saying flop only because she thought she was being.

sneaky and everything's on camera. So her methods of flop, her performance was not. Nobody's was. My top top friend of Zach, but my top performer, man, that's tough.

That's really tough. Weirdly enough, I'm going to go with Jesse for top. Jesse's up there. Because, I mean, we got to watch his entire marriage crumble. Yeah, Jesse. But he was doing, every episode, there was something that he was central for.

I think, yeah, yeah, Jesse's up there. Yeah. Flop I have Janet because, again, you can't leave Doty off of the show for three episodes. That's the biggest flop. You know what? Let's not even give to Janet. Let's give it to the producers for not, for letting that happen. We're not forcing that. That's crazy.

Unless we find out there was an extenuating circumstance there. Oh, we've got to talk about Doty's miscarriage. Oh, fuck. We'll just do it in right here. Oh, quick. But yeah, so I, ooh, wow, giving Jesse the top spot seems wrong. Seems wrong. You can give it to Danny if you want to.

Well, Danny and Nia are in a category of their own. They, they stole the season for me because they're just so lovely. They're just such a lovely couple and family that, you know, they are in their category over here. The shitty people are over here. Jasmine and Zach are in the middle, and then the rest of these disasters are on my right. Give us a top. I said Jesse. Oh, you did say Jesse?

Oh, you agreed. Oh, okay. Oh, I thought you were telling me. Yeah, but this is on performance. Performance, okay, not on likability. Yeah. Make sure everyone understands that. It's on performance, okay?

But other than that, phenomenal season. Great season. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Very great season. Very excited for season, too. I'm super excited for traders. I didn't want me saying next to we just brought it up. Yeah.

But yeah, the Valley. Wow. Who to thunk? Who to thunk it? Apparently I owe Ryan Bailey a bet, which I forget. I'll look into that. Shit. Shit, shit.

Shit, shit, shit. Yeah, well, you know, I've got to do it. We'll figure it out, and we will let everybody know. But don't forget, our first community Zoom for Bravo's members is on Tuesday. If you don't want to miss out on the fun, make sure you sign up ASAP before Tuesday at 9 p.m. June 11th, 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So we'll still get our West Coasters in there. Don't you worry?

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