Bros & Shows - Is Rulla Technically Kelsey's Co-Worker? Maybe Just Part-Time (RHORI Full Recap S1 Reunion Part 1)

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

What's up bros? We've made it to the Rhode Island Reunion and wow what a doozy. We knew we'd be in for something special given this cast's meteoric rise to stardom but we did not know we'd be in for an absolute dud from at least one of these women. Liz was certainly not high on our list for a terrible performance, but with the rumors swirling of her dropping out before next season, I guess it makes some sense. All eyes were and continue to be on Rulla and wow what a stinker of a performance. Kudos to everyone else! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But look, it's just one of those moments where I'm just happy to be here. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by Shuda Maguda. What's up, dude? Doing well.

Doing really well. Look, we have been on the ruler. thing for what seems like the whole season. And while there's been a lot of things going on around the sides, we've been really focused on the rule of thing. And for anybody who, well, you heard Steele last week just going around about Rula, the last gasp effort was always going to be the reunion. It was always going to be her time to shine.

It was her time to really make that money. It was her time to earn her contract for next year. I had a lot of ideas about how she was going to come into this reunion. somehow she's just skirted around all of my ideas and went completely weird full throttle it was quite possibly the worst reunion performance i've ever seen and i just watched west and amanda brain dead for three episodes and then she comes in doing this when i say that don't think that i'm saying in a way that took away from the reunion because it didn't it actually contributed to the reunion. But just honestly, embarrassing.

Like absolutely embarrassing and kind of summed up her entire season. Like this is what she did when she was on screen. It was a lot of nothing. She's skating around actually answering things. She's throwing out accusations to other people. The fact that she said more than five times, I don't do the lies. I don't like lies. Are you fucking kidding me? What do you? Stop it because it's like, and it borderline frustrates me. You are in this mess with your husband. We have watched it all season. We've seen videos.

We know what's going on. And yet you're speaking from a place of though none of that happened. That makes no sense. That's delusion at its highest form, which I like delusion. But this kind of delusion kind of pisses me off. I'm like, wait, how on earth can you sit there with a straight? face and come at other people for lying and throw out accusations of cheating and affairs when Brian is your husband.

Like, what are we doing? I'm taking, don't, don't you spit in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Yeah, I, this strikes me as her, I don't know.

She thought that she had Liz on her side or something, like maybe. I don't know. She had a lot of power for somebody who hasn't done anything and really hasn't substantiated any of the rumors or any of the things that we now have confirmed, anything that has to do with. her husband. She really hasn't like combated it. She hasn't done anything to sway the audience's opinion in her direction. She hasn't played the victim really at all. Like she hasn't done much of

anything. So coming in with this sort of attitude coming in on that grandstands like, oh, I'm going to go after everybody. Joe Ellen's just lying about everything. No, I just don't get it. And look, the only thing Joellen has to just keep saying, which she did the whole reunion, which you would think it would get repetitive, but it's actually very applicable. You've only been in three episodes. What are you even doing here? I don't need to listen to you. And I agree with her. It hit every time, too. Every time she said, I was like, say it again, keep, keep bopping her because she deserves a bop. This is crazy work. And the fact that she's coming at Joellen, like, everything that comes out of your fucking mouth. I'm like, name one thing she's lied about. She substantiated every claim that

she's made. You asked her to get evidence. She got evidence. So I have yet to see Joellen caught in a lie. She, that's stuff with Liz. Liz is, Liz, whoa, by the way. Yeah. Very strange episode.

We'll talk about that. But again, you might not like Joellen. Do I believe that she's somebody else potentially off camera or a little bit sneakier, a little bit more cunning? Yes, I do believe that.

And if you had approached it the right way, Liz, you might have swayed me. You didn't. And I'm not swayed. But she, what did she lie about? Like,

that drove me nuts. Every single time that Rula wants to try. in and piggyback off other people that are going at Joellen. What did she lie about? Name one fucking thing, all fucking season that she lied about. Instead, you're sitting there like an idiot defending your husband and your marriage

when we literally watched him cheat on you. We saw a fucking video of it, Rula, and you're going at the AI thing. That's, it's just embarrassing. He also copped to it while talking to Gary. He admitted it. He was talking to Gary in the last episode and he completely admitted everything and said, don't worry, I'll take care of it. We heard AI being mentioned 15 times throughout the season, always by their camp. It's just, it's complete and utter bullshit. And everything that I thought that she was going to do, maybe come hat and hands, play the sympathy card, played the victim, say that, you know, I didn't want to know what was going on. It was really tough with the cameras in front of me. Like she would have gotten a pass for a lot of things at a lot of people's eyes if she had come in in that direction. But she came in and.

empowered in going after Joellen. She wanted to play offense, which doesn't make any sense. Going after Jo Ellen and saying that she's been lying again, Jo Ellen, yes, she was meddling. Yes, she was doing a lot of things on the side. Yes, she was poking around in other people's business the whole season. Which was weird. Go after that.

Like, that is where you should be heading. If you wanted to play offense, do that. But then just trying to paint her as a liar and then looking at everybody else on your couch and like snickering the whole time was kind of funny. But she had nothing. She had absolutely nothing to go on other than. she's just throwing the claims back at Joe Ellen. Like, oh, yeah, you think this?

Well, this is what I think about you. It's like that does absolutely nothing because we're talking about your husband. And we're talking about all the other things. And you have all this smoke for Joe Ellen right now. It doesn't make any sense. I think the reason that this, especially this episode of the reunion, hit so hard. This was the best structured reunion that Andy has had in a long time. Agreed.

Starting off with like the low hanging fruit just to warm us up, going for Ashley and talking about Ashley, but going for Rosie and Kelsey. and then getting Ashley into the mix and talking about her life and Audrey's and all those things. That is the best way to start. Just get us warmed up. And there's a lot of other things that we can dig into. And we've got the husbands in episode two.

Like this is shaping up to be an absolute banger because of the way that they started. Like let's just see how much we can get everybody involved early on talking about Rosie versus Kelsey. See who's going to pick sides. Who has to say what? And I feel like this is actually how a reunion is supposed to go where we fill in the cracks. When we're talking about things that we didn't really understand during the season, we're now filling in the cracks and confirming certain things that other castmates had said or other castmates had felt throughout the season.

We're also filling in the cracks for the stuff that happened in the off season. So it's great. It's really well structured. They're asking the right questions. But I do think it always comes back to this cast. I mean, this cast just hits harder. Yeah, they're great at their job. And I think it's interesting because then we'll get into the Kelsey Rosie stuff.

there were a lot of things thrown around during the season that we never got answers to. Most of them had to do with affairs and people stepping out of their marriage. It felt like everyone had a story. I heard you do this, or you do that, you're a swinger, you're this yet. But we never got those moments.

The fact that we got to the reunion and started to dig into those, granted, there's still not much there, but at least we're addressing those things and trying to get people to talk about them. I was excited because it was kind of, we were teased all season. Like this is happening. This is happening.

It's like bang. Now we're going to throw it out there and see what people have. I'm not upset that there's not evidence or information on a few of them. It's just more so the fact that we can address it. They have to talk face to face and try to see what the other person has. It worked. It worked really well. I agree with you.

It's an incredibly well-structured reunion. We don't see this very often. So no. Tip of the captain. Andy has to call it out too. because if you've been listening to us for our other reunion coverages, we usually call that out right away. Like, hey, this is horseshit.

This time it's not. Nope. But let's talk Rosie and Kelsey. Now, I love that we go back to the apology because that was the weirdest thing that I had seen in a while. The fact that we get that backhanded compliment of, yeah, you know, that was the first honest thing I think I've ever heard out of your mouth. And then Rosie defends. And then you have Joellen jumping in.

You have Liz jumping in. It's like, well, she was being nice, Rosie. Like, she's being nice. Why are you taking it weird? What the fuck's wrong with you, Rosie? And we talked about it a lot. Like, that wasn't an apology at all. She was shit talking.

And now you guys are pissed at Rosie for not accepting the shit talking. What it really did for me was once again, we have this click, this Joe Ellen, Liz, Kelsey, click that just talks shit about Rosie. But when you just sequester it to the Kelms, Kelsey and Rosie thing. I still think this just screamed jealousy to me. Yeah. Kelsey's jealous as shit of Rosie because the more information we get the big thing that Kelsey allegedly had was the coach that you hooked up with that coach.

That's why he got fired from the network. Everybody knows it. Everyone's talking about it. We got a police report. Rosie batted everything away. She's like to pull it out. Like none of this is true. You have nothing on me.

Yeah, the whole police report thing was ridiculous. And then to find out at the end that it was just that Joe Ellen had a police friend who told her what was on the report. What? Like, no, if a high profile person in the state, which, you know, it's kind of funny to say the basketball coach of a university is the high profile person. But a high profile person in the state gets a DUI, those details come out. They just, they do. You find out either on the news or somebody writes an article about it or you look on Reddit, which is apparently where you're looking. you saw one thread that said, oh, Rosie Woods was involved in this.

And then you heard it from another police officer, but you have no evidence to back it up. I don't really think Rosie's involved in any of this. I mean, even Alicia said, like, no, I think I saw something, too, that said it was like a student aid or a student that was there. And that's why it was kind of brushed under the rug because he was high profile basketball coach. And that would be a lot worse than just a news reporter from the local station. Like, no, it's not really that good. And also it would come out if she was somebody who's a public figure. So none of it really made any sense, but I'm glad that we did get to the end of it.

And no one was really denying or combating or leaving the door open for anything else. I feel like we can finally put it to bed, which for something like this, a little storyline, like a little blip on the radar. It's like, good, let's just move on from this. But I do think that that helps be not only are people just being honest about the things that are going on when we're talking about the click, but also they're just talking about it. Like, yeah, you know what? I do understand where you're coming from. Like, yes, they are a little clicked up. They do talk shit on people.

And everybody talks shit on everybody. But we didn't really get that explanation where it's like, oh, you got to have tougher skin. It was more just like, yeah, I mean, it was before we started filming. We were talking shit on you in a group and we just decided to get rid of it. That did happen. It's a cool confirmation. You're not denying it. You're not saying bring out the receipts.

You're just saying, yeah, we did that and we got rid of it. I don't know what else to tell you. But clearly Kelsey still does like you. I think the thing that we really have to dig into, especially when we're looking and projecting for the next couple of seasons, is Rosie and Joellen. Because we saw a lot of interesting moments between the two of them and we see that they had sat down and talked about their mothers.

So they thought that they were becoming friends or at least Rosie thought she was becoming friends. Then she finds out that Joe Ellen's just kind of talking shit. It does kind of paint a picture of who Joe Ellen is, which again, Rula, if you're listening, you can use this as evidence to go further and talk more about Joellen being involved in your marriage. But you're not going to do that because you're just turning a blind eye to everything.

Yeah, you're not going to take the low-hanging fruit there. at all. But with the Joe Ellen thing, I don't know what it is about Rosie. Like I don't know why they just don't like her. Because Joellen's apparently good with Rosie at this point. But when

Kelsey's giving her defensive things, Joel keeps jumping in to kind of back up Kelsey. I'm like, why do we need to do this? And then when the text thread comes up, she's acting like it's not that big of a deal. She's like, look, it was like way before filming and we deleted it. So

like, what's the problem? I'm like, well, you guys had a whole text dedicated to talking shit on somebody. That's kind of fucking mean. And when Rosie tries to move past this stuff and just be like indifferent, you guys get mad at that. That she's not getting pissed off that you guys are being mean to her. But I think the biggest takeaway from all of this is that Rosie did a great job. I think that she comes out the winner here because every time Kelsey tries to go at her,

Like we get to the hair thing, right? She's like, he didn't post the hair. It's like, is it really all about the hair? I was annoyed at first because Ashley was going to bat and Rosie wasn't saying shit. So I was like, oh, no, like she needs to be the one to kind of go toe to toe here. But then she did. She started to get into it. I was not expecting at all when we did the slam pig thing.

Obviously she's like, no, I don't think you're a slam pig. Kelsey's so sensitive about anything that she's saying. She's like, you don't take any accountability. She just did. Kelsey, she just said, I,

yeah, I don't think you're a slam pig. And now you're stuck on the fact that she's not taking accountability. You're not taking accountability because you're not copying to anything. You're still trying to lean on the fact that the siren was a joke. Joe Ellen's jumping on on that one. Liz is jumping in on that one. It's just so cut and dry what we're watching.

And I think that we're at a point now where Rosie is like, she sees what's going on. She's dealt with it. She's like, it's not worth my time. You three are going to click up and do your weird thing. I don't care. I don't give a shit. And I think the fact that she is indifferent is driving Kelsey insane.

Kelsey's trying to find a way in and is just hitting a wall every single time. Yeah, and Kelsey is the driving force in all of this because I really don't think that Liz or Joe Ellen care enough. I think they can move past it. I think they already kind of have moved past it. I just think again, that might just be who Jo Ellen is. Like she'll be a friend, but then, you know, she'll do a couple of other things that are a little fucked up. And I like that Rosie explains that where she says, like, look, I feel like we had a

couple of texts back and forth, but she's kind of learning how Joellen operates. She's understanding how they're going to move forward and how they're going to be castmates moving forward because she even says, like, yeah, I thought we were good. And then I started watching the show and I saw some of the things that you said. And you didn't text me to say, ooh, that was a little harsh. So then, yeah, we went radio silent for a little while. but we've exchanged some text after that. That shows me anyway.

That was the big hold up with Rosie early on, especially when they went up to that castle. It's like, yeah, I don't know if you could hang. You've got Ashley fighting your battles, which is not a really good look. But also it doesn't seem like you can handle any of these things. It seems like she's trying to figure out a way, which I'm sure is like interpersonal,

but it's how Rosie herself personally can move forward with these things. And if this is what she does and she just kind of goes indifferent, that's totally fine. As long as you can still film with everybody, that's all I care about. But I agree with you. Kelsey's just going absolutely nuts because she's trying to break through and just get to Rosie and really dig deep. And it's not working. And then when we start talking about the mask party that we had, where Kelsey even said like, oh, I think that was like the first genuine thing that you've said so far. She finally admits like, all right, fine. I'll take accountability here. I do realize now watching it back like, ooh, that came off wrong. But that's not really what I meant.

It's like, okay, we can agree to disagree on that. But at least you're not holding on to saying that that was. was a nice comment because everybody else around is like, yeah, watching that back. It was definitely not as nice as I remember it. No, and that takes us to the siren thing again. And it's like Rosie says, I think you're just trying to have another moment at my expense. Because somebody asks, by the way, I don't know who sent this question in, but it's a dumb question. So if you're listening and you ask this question, you're dumb. You can't destroy someone on national TV because they tried to make a joke about a past beef.

it wasn't a joke it was stupid and she was in the wrong so like i don't know what you're talking about random person that asked that question to andy but as she says i think you're just trying to have a moment at my expense and when we get into all the details again the whole holdup was the size of the house the size of the house she's lying this and that it's not about the numbers it's not about the number it's about the embellishment of everything okay let's dig into that What? What did she embellish? Because I didn't see anything. Was she saying things at weird times and bringing up information at weird times and does she do it in a way where it's like, oh, I don't really know what's going on and then spout something out. Sure. Is that problematic? Sure. You can go at her for that. But she's not lying. And we flip it. It's like, okay, let's break this down. You've accused me of two affairs. You accused me of getting fired. You had this weird thing about my house. and Kelsey doesn't know what to do. Like that, you're the one trying to smear her.

She's just responding. And her response to that was, so I'm not a slam pig, but do I suck dick for a career? This was one of the best comebacks I think I've ever heard. She's like, I mean, you kind of did that for the last 10 years. Everybody's silent. Everyone's like, ooh. No, when she goes deeper and says your only coworker is the girlfriend down in Miami, I'm like, damn, hell yeah, go for her again, get her again.

That was awesome. And again, leaving her speechless, leaving Kelsey speechless in that moment, while we're trying to, I don't even care anymore what the beef is about. Like, I was actually kind of tuned in to listen to see if there was something else maybe before we started filming that like really ruffled her feathers and got her the wrong way. I don't care anymore because of the way that Rosie actually came back and said that. Obviously, everyone else is like, damn, all right. Andy was-

Move on to the next topic. That's kind of tough. I don't know what to say. Kelsey had nothing to say. So we left it at that. And I like that we left it at that. Because again, we always say you don't really need the full conflict resolution. You can just be able to just coexist and do things, which is where they were.

But obviously at the reunion, they have to talk some things out. We wanted to know where it all started. They can't have started with the hair. It can't have started with the square footage of a house because I will go crazy if it did. Instead, we don't know where it came from, but we can agree that they're not going to agree. And that's okay with me because I can. already foresee two years from now, season three, season four, whatever it is,

they're going to be best friends. And I'm fine with that. Yeah, I can't wait for that. But yeah, that Kelsey was like, her reason for getting into it was I was privy to some information before we started filming. That information was apparently this affair. And then we get all the details about it.

We get Alicia saying, like, no, I think that was a student. You can tell the Kelsey scrambling, because she was like, if it was a student reporter, it would have been heavily investigated. Yeah, sure. No, it wouldn't have. They would have tried to sweep it. it because he's this big basketball coach that that would yeah that actually goes against that makes no sense and this is the joellen part of it again because she's supposed to be quote

unquote friends with rosy now or at least they're moving in that direction but she then takes a dig at rosy and be like well he's not really that cute like i saw me but she's still alluding like i think it happened and he's also not that cute now she's bashing her for hooking up with an ugly it's almost like you're trying to hide this affair because he's not attractive or something yeah i don't know it was so weird It was such a curveball that didn't really land anywhere. It was so useless. Yeah, just like that's where I get my questions about Joellen.

Like there, yes, there's clearly something there that we're not seeing. And that's fine. And that's the route that Rula should be going. Like you move one way and that's the route that Liz should be going. But she just get the fact that she gets as mad as she does about the most trivial shit. Like she's not mad about like big things. It's like, like, the ongoings. Like one word sent you through the fucking roof.

It makes no sense. And then when we get into the Liz stuff, because that pretty much wraps up Kelsey and Rosie, just utterly speechless jaw on the floor. Sorry, Kelsey, you lost that one. But we're talking about Liz. And obviously we get like, you know, your cousins with Jerry, Gary, Gary, is it Gary or Jerry? Gary. Jerry.

That was my favorite part, I think, because she's like, I was just a little tidbit. I didn't think it was going to go anywhere. You didn't think that you saying that you married a relative? was going to be news. Oh, God, no, it was too funny. I thought it was nice, though, at least that Andy kind of opened it up with, like, what's it like going from having no kids to having three kids? Was it fun?

Like, was it good for you? Yes, it was very good for me. It was very good for me and Jerry. What's it like now that you've sold the ship? Well, now we're up each other's asses. So I kind of do wish that he could go out of the boat to get away. But we're figuring everything out. The Dino stuff is going to hit great next week.

I know. But for all of this stuff, this is where I, I start and we talked about it a few times throughout the course of the season where other people have kind of figured out like I don't know I'm 50 50 right now Liz coming back like this was such a weird thing to do when we start getting into the beef with Alicia and we're talking about it we kind of just leave Alicia by the wayside except for the weird text thread or voice notes or all of those things that we're associated with we got nothing which we'll get into it a second but just talking about Liz's defense and the way she was going about it just didn't make any sense. And it just kind of struck me as somebody who was like, I don't really have fucking time for this. Like I really don't care about any of this. I don't care about you.

And she's talking like she does like the weird baby voice when people just kind of go back in her. Oh, you are? Oh, you are. Yeah. Gives me the he be jeebies, dude. Because and look, it would have hit if she was making any points, literally any points.

Give me one point, good point about what Joe Ellen's behavior is doing to you. Give me one good point about how that car ride could have gone differently and how you feel like it was a setup. None of it made any sense. It was all incoherent ramblings that didn't make any sense. And then when we finally ask her follow-up question, she's got nothing. She has absolutely nothing.

She ends up just going back to where she started. It was a full cycle. And I wonder how long this went on for because I'm sure the editing process was an absolute nightmare with Liz's segments. She didn't make any sense. And then she always arrived back at the point where she started and then she started up again. So it just didn't make any sense to me. Well, she kept claiming it was an ambush to the point.

apparently this was set up previously between Alicia and Joellen that we're going to get in the car and we're going to go at her for this. But that doesn't make any sense because Alicia was the one that got super upset. I don't think that she was, I love Alicia to pieces. I think she's one of the best housewives on TV. I don't think she has that in her. I don't think that she's pre-planning an ambush with Joellen. Could I see Joellen possibly doing that?

Yeah, probably. But the setup doesn't make any sense because if you watch the scene, you watch you, Liz, get amped up. You get pissed off at Alicia's responses and then you get pissed off at Joellen, who for all intents and purposes from where I'm sitting, was trying to mediate, was just trying to say, hey, you know, that's Alicia's feelings, which by the way, her go-to is that, well, you didn't say to her like, you know her heart, you know her hot you're not the one on the on the defensive right now like you're going at alicia so

of course she's trying to get alicia to stop crying and you just keep going back to jo ellen's part in this whole thing to the point that it's not really about alicia other than the fact that she apparently planned this thing but you have somehow become the victim in all of this and you're so upset and the reasons why you're upset don't make any fucking sense to me they make zero sense And then we bring up the fact that you did, in fact, get physical, which you got really pissed off about being blamed for. And you don't even want to apologize. Because my soul senses or something like that. She's like, you're just an evil person.

It was fucking weird. It was fucking weird. It was absolutely bizarre. And she does in a very weird Liz way kind of cop to it where she does say at the end, like, I, I did say that. I'm sorry. It's like, whatever, I'm sorry.

It's like, okay, I guess we have something to take away from it, but just kind of trying to figure out where she's coming from with this whole setup makes no sense. Alicia at the forefront, talking about something that she's already been emotional about with the homelessness,

doesn't seem like the best of bait. And also why are they baiting Liz into doing this in a car where she could get crazy? And again, like we watched it unfold. It just looked like Liz was on a vendetta against Alicia's, homelessness and Jo Ellen was trying to mediate. Did Joellen mention something at a dinner party a couple of nights prior and kind of corroborate the story?

Yeah, sure, whatever. But it doesn't, that, that was never the point. That was literally never the point. The whole point was you then got mad at Joellen just because she was trying to make things calm down. She wasn't adding anything. There would be no use in adding things because then it's a team up in a car where Alicia's already crying.

What's the point in doing that? She never really sees that side of it. She just sees it as, you guys are going after me. And now she's concocted this whole story that I guess Joellen didn't see the voice notes because she was at a concert so she never actually opened them. They didn't, they did say that the voice notes existed, like pull them out. Like if somebody, I know voice notes do go away after two minutes,

but if Joellen never listened to it in a group chat, it's still hanging out up there. So you can go back up to August. You can just type it into your search bar and find it back up in August, whatever. Neither here nor there because I do think it's a bullshit story to begin with. But if it was Joellen at the forefront, and Joellen was the one who you were already beefing with, and she said, we're going to get her, we're going to set her up in this car ride.

Yeah, you might be able to get me to believe something. But again, I'm just fabricating a story now. None of it made sense. It was just all incoherent ramblings. It was just her going back in a circle, just saying the same shit over and over again. And then when she brought out the text messages, like, what is going on?

What is Liz talking about? That was my big thing. Like, I didn't know what the fuck was happening. It's like, you're stuck on the, wrong things, honestly. This is now some crazy story that there's voice memos involved that we never get answers to. It's just wacky.

It's like, is Joellen that under your skin that you can't even stay composed to go back and forth? Because she just keeps getting so pissed off to the point where she does that baby voice thing. And then deviates entirely from any point that she's making to just say things to Joel. I'm like, you're evil. You terrible. Yeah.

And again, I think it does kind of. circle back to the Rula situation where Rula did think like I had a conversation with Liz on the way over here or maybe in the dressing room and she's got an ax to grind going after Joe Ellen so she's going to be on my team and she's going to help me out. And again, Liz didn't help out rule out one bit. Liz might not like Joe Ellen. She might have a weird vendetta against Joe Ellen right now, but she is not helping you out at all. So I think that was a complete misread by Rula. But it didn't stop her. Like that was the funniest part. You would think like maybe just a having an idea of your surrounding is what's going on and how the things are breaking not in your way,

you might calm down a little bit. She just revved it up and that was very funny too. But for Joellen, again, I can see what they're saying. They're just having a really hard time articulating what it is about Joellen that really pisses people off or what it is about her behavior that doesn't quite add up for what she's doing on the camera. Is she doing shady things? You could convince me very easily that she is working behind the scenes to do things. I mean, we've talked about it a bunch.

She's in a group chat where people are setting her videos of Brian at the mistresses. Like there's clearly something going on and she's sticking her nose in other people's businesses constantly. Go for that. Try to open that up and see where that takes you. Whatever they were doing between Liz and Rule, it just didn't make any sense for going after Joe Allen. No,

none at all. And with the rule of stuff, because that happens like much later when we talk about the homeless thing. We just kind of love everything together in reunions. But if we go back to when Liz and. package was introduced like in the beginning of the episode. I'm glad that Andy, Andy's questioning this,

this round was really good. He was on point. I'll give him credit. But he brings up Rula hinting at the fact that Jerry and Liz both cheated on each other. You know, she's done hers. He's done his. When the cats away,

the mice will play, blah, blah, blah. I wish Liz had this approach the whole reunion. Like this approach was great. She's like, all right, what?

Yeah. Tell me what, because I want to know what's going on. She's like, yeah, you know. And her run around is so fucking annoying because we know she doesn't have anything. She's like, just, you know, he struggled when he was away and would spend time with other support systems. And she would hang out with people who would get her support also. Hey, you know, it's not confirmed. I'm just busting her chops.

Oh, yeah, that's a good raz. Yeah. Remember when you cheated on your husband? What are you talking about? And I love that Liz is sitting there calmly. and she's like bring it up no talk about it please talk about it i had conversations about you but you don't know anything specific that i openly share any infidelity in these chats ruler has to think about it then she goes no i've been places where you've been like block island

where you've been just fucking say it come out with it what's the block island thing at the end of this was very funny too because it's like yeah jerry and i were like separated I don't know. I was out with some girlfriends. There was a guy over there. And it was just having some fun. Like, what are you going to do? But at the end of the day, who calls Jerry to tell him what I was doing on Black Island? It's Brian and Rula.

And this is very fucking funny to me because now it paints Rula in a completely different picture. I mean, up until now, she's just denying, denying, denying that she had any input on the Joellen company getting a call from Brian. After this, it's like, no, you're doing everything together. The two of you are absolutely sitting down on speakerphone, talking to whoever Liz's friends are, talking to Jerry, trying to figure this all out. And then bringing it to Jerry and being like, hey, we want a friend to be the one to tell you this. But Liz was over on Black Island and she was kissing a dude. It's like, okay. And Jerry was probably like, I don't fucking care.

I've got six girls on my boat right now. We're separated. We're going to be fine. I'll come back after this trip. Yeah, exactly. Who's Liz? I can't even believe I'm getting this call on international waters. Yeah, exactly.

So like it all amounts to nothing except for that little piece of information where it's like, what are you and Brian doing? Like for a guy cheating on his wife and having a mistress, like you guys are doing a lot of things together in other people's businesses. Yeah. And what it does is expose Rula immediately that she's not prepared, that she's making false claims with no evidence to back it up, that she heard a rumor one time in passing and thought that it would be a good idea to bring that up at a reunion and throughout the entire season.

because she's now vehemently denying going, that's a lie. Yeah, because you're trustworthy. That's a blatant lie. Go ahead. Subpoena the phone records. Yeah.

Your marriage is so tumultuous and bad that that's a normal sentence out of your mouth. Because you're used to your husband tracking you, all these cheating allegations that you saying go ahead and subpoena the phone records, you thought was a normal thing to say. And as Jo Ellen's saying, she's so aggressive. Shut your fuck. mouth, Joel. I'm so sick of your fucking mouth.

Project much? Like, my God. You, this is the worst case of Kill the Messenger I've ever seen. It was unbelievable. Again, I just really don't understand anything that Rola is doing.

Any of her tactics, anything that she expected, albeit she was only on the show for about three episodes. So how much did we really think we were going to talk about Rula, especially Rula and Brian sitting down the night before the reunion, like, all right, let's go through everything that we're going to trying to defend. We're going to have you on coming in maybe in the fourth or fifth hour.

So just be prepared for all the things that Joe Ellen's going to throw at us. She got mixed up in some other shit along the way for things that we didn't even know she was involved in. She had nothing prepared. I mean, this is this this goes beyond being prepared for a reunion. She's not prepared for life. She has no idea what's going on around her. No, no, which is, you know, why Brian's doing what Brian's doing. And she's just like, ah, blinders.

I can't see anything that he's doing. Everyone's lying. A.I. A.I. A.I. But as it winds down, because Liz is like you got your aha moment, she's like, what do I have against you? Why would I want an aha moment? I don't know.

I don't know why you would, but you tried to have it. And you finish it off, the cherry on top. Andy clarifies, like you're saying something happened. People have seen other things. I don't want to get involved. Did you learn nothing from the last five minutes? Yeah. Don't make baseless claim.

at a reunion especially because we're going to question you about it. What did people see? Well, Liz shared with me. What did Liz share with you? You said Jerry had his fun and I went on my merry way. I believe Liz. I don't think that she said shit to you about cheating. I don't think that she might have talked about the guy that she kissed.

She said they didn't have sex, but like she had some fun with this dude on Block Island. Apparently they were separated. I don't know. But to double down after getting. dragged for trying to bring up the first thing, getting called out for calling. Jerry, Gary, Gary, whatever the fucking is Jerry.

Gary, damn it. Getting called out for calling Jerry, trying to deny that. And your big claim to all of this, your big defense is you don't fuck with lies. I don't do lies. That's your whole life is a lie. So again,

I don't know. It's so weird to watch because it's like, where do you think you are right now as far as like the the power in this group you you think you are like way in better standing than you actually are to be saying these things or you're just that delusional or this marriage has fucked you up that bad that you just don't even know what to say you're just going to throw anything out there to try to project and avoid taking any accountability yeah i have no idea between her and liz i still think that she had the worst uh reunion showing thus far but liz is a lot closer that i thought she was going to be

Same. And it's funny to me where the Brula's like, I'm done talking about this. You don't dictate what we are going to discuss. No. We have to make up your lost time here. We have to, we have to talk to you about things. Exactly, dude. It was just, it was so dumb. And she's like, what did she say? I didn't call. We're talking about Joe Ellen in a little bit. Now, take me out of that. You're, you're making false accusations. The splitting hairs to try to be redeemable in any way, shape, or form is just simply stunning. but we got to talk about the ongoings real quick and that whole blow of I'm glad that she actually said they're like sorry like that was too much. Well, that was to Kelsey though.

If it was Jo Ellen, she wouldn't have said sorry. Oh, for sure. I mean, as we see shortly after this, but it is funny because this is kind of what sets up the, the blowup about or the blow up between her and Joelan because are you guys scared of Liz? I am scared of Liz. When I watch Liz, when she does that, oh, are you? I was like, oh, God, run, Joellen, run. Like, she's going to get you. She is scary.

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But it was a quick check-in just with her. You know, we got the cry tracker. Seven, it's going to be eight because she gets choked up talking about her friendship with Rosie. What bothered me is not Ashley. I do again, I think that she was just kind of a nice reprieve. The Audrey's thing weirdly turned out to be entertaining, which I, not in a million years what I have thought that would be never really cool with that, which also. by the way, guys, Audrey's is killing it now. And it's made things worse.

Yeah. It's funny as shit. That's the funniest thing is because we just watched all season long where Jared would just refuse to leave Audrey's and he was even doing tritia every night, which I kind of came around on because I'm like, all right, you are a bit of like a show, TV, reality,

personality. So people are coming for you. But I do think that them doing more business means more hours for Jared, which is so funny. Yeah. He still has not. not a delegate. We got to delegate, Jared.

We got to delegate. We got to do. Just take the class on delegation. But it was driving me insane when Rula would chime in. Like, funny on some degree, and it did push the reunion forward, and it got Joe Ellen to jump in multiple times. They shut the fuck up. But her jumping in here was like, well, you know, Ashley's close with Rosie. And maybe after seeing some of the things that the group was doing, she was uncomfortable, like getting to know everybody.

because she only hangs out with Rosie. How the fuck do you know, lady? Where are you been? Is this from watching the show? Because you weren't present for any of this. And I, again,

it just goes to show the gall, the audacity of this woman, to act like she's a full-time cast member and get involved with like, this gives you a perfect picture of like where she is, how she thinks she lands in this group, what she thinks she's capable of doing. You should have no opinions on this.

I know this is like a whatever comment, but you shouldn't have whatever comments. You were not present. As Joellen said multiple times, what were you in three episodes? Why the hell is she still here? Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. But I think anything that she does pretty much is going to give you a peek into where she is and the delusion that she has. Because even just talking up with Ashley and Rosie, I haven't seen you guys interact,

aside from Rosie saying, hey, have you seen the video? Other than that, there really hasn't been any other interactions. So I do think that really what Rule is done is just taking niceties and being like, oh, hey, Roelah, good to see it. She's like, wow, that's the best friend right there. That person is going to have my back. And no one has her back. So that's why it's even funnier.

Yeah, but it does lead us into the Joellen portion. And as we know, we saw the journey that she had with her mom. We saw the ups and downs of that. Apparently they're not doing good again. But Andy's asked him at the 20s. I heard you had a wild 20s. You know, Rula. under her breath still having it the fuck did you say said you still having it okay where's the proof

what proof do you have what did you get kicked out of college no no no it didn't how did you get in trouble in high school yeah what unbelievable why are we going I I agree with joelan like why are we bringing up things that we did as minors like what does that have to do with anything you're trying to paint a picture of who joelan is and again you're going about it the the entirely wrong way there's a route here as you said, it wouldn't be that hard to convince us otherwise. It actually be really fucking easy. You just need to tell us actual moments with a little bit of proof where she said one thing

and did another. I believe you that she does that. It's not hard to believe. But I am also very evidence-based. I need proof before I'm like, oh, yeah, you're right. And all you're doing, you're bringing up high school, hike school, Billy? Like, what do we know, Rula? You're so ill-prepared.

It's making me mad. And that's the other thing is I feel like every single one of Rula's digs or little comments here and there, Joella was ready for all of them. Yeah. Talk about the most prepared for this. And again, it might go to show you that she's a little over-prepared, meaning that she does this all the time. And everybody keeps pointing to her as the number one investigator, as Liz says, about 17 times during that segment.

That drove me nuts too. That drove me nuts. But again, she's ready for everything. So the most composed up on stage, the person who's ready for literally everything that Rula is going to say and jumping down her throat at every opportunity, it's perfect. I mean, that is actually what I wanted to see. I either wanted Rula to show up. But I feel like in my number one power rankings for Rula, I wanted her to show up and just catch it.

Just catch it all. Like you need to get a full season's worth of comments and beatings in this reunion, in this short amount of time for me to look at you and be like, all right, how are you going to react to all of this? And so far, she's reacting terribly. And it's just telling me, I don't know if you can come back. Like, I'm sort of wishy-washy on it. If this is how she's going to be, maybe she can come back because there might be something.

But if she's going to do the same shit that she did all season, there's just no reason for her to come back. If she comes back and is present for the events and stuff and carries this level of delusion into next season, bring her back. I'm fine with that. I'm totally fine with that. I don't think she's going to do that. I don't think she has the balls to do that,

not on a stage, not with Andy Cohen there. She won't film with anybody. That's sort of be the problem. It's like she'll film. If Liz is back, she'll film with Liz a little bit. She'll film with Alicia a little bit, but she doesn't have any other friendships on the cast.

Like everybody else, albeit, yes, there are some weird situations going on, but they're all going to film with each other. There's no question in my mind. With Rula, it's like, nah,

I can't, I can't film with Jo Ellen. Because of the way that she's talking now, it seems like she feels like she's higher than everybody else. Like, oh, I can pick and choose who I film what. It's like, no, you actually have to start from square what. Below that, you should be demoted to a friend of a friend of and then work your way back in if you're going to get here. But, you know, it's just like bad one-liners.

Like, oh, you want to blame your mother for everything. We watch the scenes. I mean, her mom seems kind of like a piece of shit, not going to lie. Yeah. But again, you aren't around enough for that comment to land. if Liz had said that, it carries a different weight. If Kelsey had said that, it carries a different weight. It doesn't mean shit when it comes from you.

And I'm glad we get like an answer to, you know, what precipitated the move to that problem school or whatever. It's like, oh, I took a shower, jumped out the window to hang out with my boyfriend. Yep. Alicia. Was she that bad? No. And Alicia would, you could read her like a book.

If Joeline was actually that terrible, I think that Alicia would have tried to lie, but she would have gotten hung up. And you would have like, oh, shit, maybe she was that bad. No, she was a teenager.

Okay. And before we continue with the Joellen and rule of stuff, because then we get to Brian and the phone call to work, we do get to talk about stealing Gary from her sister and that whole thing, which we do need to talk about, unfortunately, saying, you know,

trust me, guys, it's fine. That's not good. That's not good. I don't, that's not doing enough. No,

no. There was so many questions raised during all of that that, like, you do need to spend a little bit of time here. This is not, she brushed it off in the same breath that Liz brushed off her and Jerry being related. Like, it was sort of like that. It's like, hey, I didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal. Yeah, it's fine. Trust me, guys. It's under control.

It's like, well, no. And I feel like when Andy asked, like, in the beginning of the reunion, where are the kids? Like, who's watching the kids? I think he was expecting it to be Gary and her sister, which, you know, it wasn't. Thankfully, or at least she didn't answer it that way. But yeah, spend a little bit more time. You know, put us at ease because there were a lot of uneasy scenes with the two of that. She tasted his underwear, according to her like that in front of the children.

That's still the worst part. And they showed that scene. I was like, wow. Because in my head, I was like, I know the kids were there, but like maybe they're outside. No, he's holding a child. And he says, how does my underwear smell? I don't know, but it tasted pretty good. No.

Bizar. No. Don't care for that. You have to answer more than trust me because that sounds like the beginning of when you go to court and say, well, I trusted them when you're going for a divorce settlement. So I don't know. Maybe I don't even know if I want them to dig more. Like I don't know how much I want to talk about this. Yeah.

No. Yeah, maybe just leave it there. I think we should all live it there. Yeah, probably. But we get to Brian calling Joe Ellen's work. And, you know, joelle got laid off from that job she doesn't even say that it was because of that she doesn't allude that that could have been a part of it which i would imagine even if it's one percent that

definitely entered into the equation when they were laying people off simply because it's like oh this was a dramatic moment that we don't need at the office so let's go ahead and whack joelan but what is joella getting fired from other jobs have to do with anything like what does any of it have to do with anything i love that she again's like you like you Why is she still here? She's in three episodes. It doesn't matter how many episodes I'm in. It does.

It really does. It matters not only for the structure of the show, but for this reunion. And all Rula was trying to do was either pawned on or say, oh, Brian had nothing to do with that. Like, she was just bouncing between the two, which was very funny to watch because she wanted no part of any of the Joe Ellen call calling Joe Ellen's company to try to get her fired or let them know what was going on. but she also made sure to back up Brian and be like, well, I mean, Brian did that years ago. So like you can't say that he got you fired. It's like, well, you can definitely allude to the fact that this was in a file somewhere.

So when they were making layoffs, when they were making cuts, we don't have any more information. We're not going to get any more information. So Joellen can actually say whatever the fuck she wants. She could say right now, like, hey, I had a meeting at the end right before they let me go. And they said, hey, you've been a great employee, but there's a couple of things here that just don't really add up. so we're going to have to let you go with the rest of them. And then you can't do anything. You can't dispute that because they're not going to open those seals, a private company.

So she could say whatever the hell she wants. All she does is simply allude to the fact that we can't confirm that that didn't happen. And rule is still spirally. Like, no, no, no, you can't do that to Brian. How dare you do that? It's like, fuck him. We can do whatever the hell we want to him. Yeah, dude, her sitting there and nitpicking as to what Joellen's saying,

Joel and shut your mouth. I can't deal with what comes out of her mouth because she tells the truth. because she's exposing you. She's exposing Brian. Like I don't understand. Again, we have too many instances on this show where it's like, you're lying. Rosie, you're embellishing. Okay, fine.

Show us where. Tell us. And we'll go back and watch it because, again, I haven't really seen that. And the fact that when she says, Brian was trying to get me fired. Ed Rulis says, no, he wasn't. And she's making noises. and then when she says Brian and rule, she's like,

ha, I didn't do it. You're making false accusations. You're doing the thing again. You're lying. You're a liar. No, she's just alluding the fact that you were definitely in the room. You were definitely sitting there on speakerphone, like jabbing Brian to do this.

But that's, there's no other reason that Brian would call, if not to try to get her fired. Like, that's quite literally the, he filed an official complaint with the company about Joe Ellen. This grown man called, somebody's company and tried to get a woman fired. Why?

Because he was probably cheating on you and trying to throw smoke somewhere else. Like that's all I can think. Yeah. Yeah. And this is where you start to see the, the breaks too, which this was my favorite part about Rula. Her accent just changed.

She went full, she went full Liz. And I love that because it clearly got under her skin. She clearly was spiraling, but she dropped the act. All of the things that she had been saying all year, all of the ways that she tried to portray herself on TV went right out the window because when she gets up and she gets animated and she's screaming at Joelle and I'm like, oh, there's the

jersey accent. I was wondering when that was going to come in. There you are. Give us more of that. I don't care if I agree with you or disagree with you, but go balls to the wall. Like go defend yourself. If you hate Joellen as much as you're saying you are, stop with the little side comments that go absolutely nowhere and just do this. Please. That's what I'm saying. If we go into next season and this is how you're doing things, I'm good. I'm fine with that. But what's happening is exactly what I said, like episode three was going to be my issue and Rula's issue integrating into this cast.

She's going to constantly be trying to defend this marriage. That's her only thing because she's trying to make herself not look stupid. And in turn, we're not getting any progress from her. And she can't actually get into another storyline. She can't actually hang out with the group because there's, always these question marks and there's always this bullshit defense from her. And when we're in between scenes, like we break for lunch or whatever, she tries to say to Andy, who I can't believe even took her seriously.

I was like, I have Brian's surgery schedule the day of the video, by the way. I have that schedule. So, uh, AI, you can AI a dash. You really, that was the funniest thing. She said you can AI a dash cam after saying I've got his schedule. It's like, no, but you definitely can AI. a schedule. Also, you don't have to AI the schedule because he's the doctor. He's the head of the practice. He can make his own goddamn schedule and just show it to you. That's all he has to do.

By the way, again, and we haven't gotten to this and I hope we get to that next week because Gary will be in there. He copped to Gary. He told Gary he knows that it's true. So let's talk about that and see what rule it has to say. Please. She's going to say he's AI. Brian's AI now. But someone called it out. It's like, Brian's the. AI in this whole thing. When he's telling you that everyone else is using AI, let's go back to the source. Who do you think is actually using AI? And for her to say, you know, I'm tired.

This subject is done. Again, you don't dictate this shit. You're going to have to answer or you're going to keep getting bopped the way that you are. And I love that Joe Ellen kind of breaks the fourth wall. It's like, what did you think was going to happen at the reunion? What did you think was going to go on? Because you're trying to think that like during the season it was put to bed, which it wasn't. But regardless, everything is rehashed at the reunion.

This had so many fucking question marks. Of course we're going to talk about Brian cheating on you and your bizarre defense. Like that's that's probably going to be the biggest thing of this entire reunion. So I don't know, dude. Like the delusion that she lives in again, could it be entertaining during the season? It could. It really could. Do I think she's capable of carrying that into the season?

isn't absolutely not. I think she's a no yeah probably not but again get animated you you know what I have no problem with you screaming across the room calling her a whore over and over again that's going to work at some point eventually joelan's going to fight back and you'll get some sort of moment out of her but up until that point you're not getting any rises out of her that's what I'm saying like joelan is so composed and she's doing things to right away she's way too composed and you can point that out if you wanted to but she's so composed that you're not getting under her skin if you want some sort of reaction out of her. That's what you have to do. You have to do those sorts of things. So I just don't really know where it goes from here. I also don't really know,

obviously, aside from the husband's coming out, where we go, because it seems like we just kind of encapsulated everything. So I do think that the next episode is just going to be an absolute free for all. And I'm actually really excited about that. I am too, because I think that Andy, given his performance this episode, I don't think he's going to pull any punches. I think he's going to go at Brian. I think he's going to dig. I think he will too. And I think we, I don't think we're going to get any answers, but we're definitely going to expose this dude on national TV. Again, we asked this the first time he came on screen or the second time, I guess, why are you here? Why did you come back? Like, are you a glutton for punishment? You're going to get

drag. Yeah, it's not the reunion. It's got to be a kink. He's a bit of a masochist. Yeah. Like, it has to be that. And normally we don't kink shame. I'll kink shame this guy. this one yeah like what the fuck it makes no sense that you would subject your practice is going to take a hit from this like you're going to have real life ramifications from this i think that he thinks genuinely because he's gotten rule it to not divorce him he's like ah i can explain this to anybody i can get out of this no no no yeah strikes me the same way uh well anything else that we missed or should we get the questions i don't think we missed anything we can always do cleanup next week too yeah let's get to some

preguntas uh pretty ricky 22 team liz or jo ellen jo ellen obviously because of liz's performance but at the same time i do have questions about joel and nobody's asking them yeah i have that's the best way to put it i have a lot of questions about joelan but we're not going at them the right way we're not framing the questions at joelan correctly we're going for the wrong things. Sof, Eloise, just me or does Andy hate Rula? I think he might actually be really that he gets really irritated when people kind of take the season off and then show up at a reunion thinking that they're going to do things.

So I wouldn't be surprised if he's really irritated by her. Yeah, I think he's frustrated genuinely that she's going to show up now and try to do all this. Like, where was this during the season? Why do you think you have the standing to be talking like this? And also a big thing for Andy is he wants them to talk about things. You're not talking about the one thing that you had this season. That's annoying.

It's really annoying. So I think he's just pissed off. Marissa and Palmer, have we seen anything as crazy as Liz vaping on stage at any other Housewives reunion? Not in recent memory, but also I do think she said at one point, it's the most relatable thing that she's done in this whole reunion episode because I could see just like not really paying attention, grabbing your vape as a former vapor, grabbing your vape and just being like, oh, shit, where am I?

Yeah. But she did also say that she's going through a cigarette withdrawal. So I think she's just trying to get off the siggies. Yeah, which respect. Maybe she needs them though. Maybe that's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That actually could be.

Yeah, that would make more sense. Yeah, this is a great point from Lindsay Bucks. Does Rula know that typing something up in Microsoft Word and printing it out isn't AI and also what does that that doesn't mean any it's a piece of paper with words on it were you with him did you track him during that day on his letterhead sure it's embarrassing man yeah uh from sarah olivia seems like rula's really trying to make up for her lack of screen time yes i think that's what her i think that's what her motive was but it's clearly not working out not even a little bit Reunion superstar from Liv Bender.

Who's your reunion superstar? Then you can go. I mean, it's Joe Ellen. But again, that's so funny, too, because I just, I still have questions. No one's asking the questions, but she's doing so well. She's got to be a superstar. Rosie is my superstar. Yeah.

That line, the line with the follow up, the double down hitting that hard. Yeah, it was pretty amazing. Yeah, for part one, definitely I could see Rosie, but I think overall it's going to end up being Joe Ellen. Probably, yeah. This one's funny from It's Holly Hala. Rula and her Rula la are coming in way too hot for someone who's always sick. Yes, I agree. Oh, my God, I forgot about the sick thing.

Seems very healthy now. I wish we brought that up. I hope they bring it up at some point. From Arlo and Blue, who do you think has taken the most accountability at the reunion so far? It's a tough one. Joe Ellen, but it's in a way in which. it's self-serving. Like that's another part.

She keeps copping to, yeah, I am nuts. I am messy. She's doing the bee rabbit from eight mile, which we've seen recently in other shows. Yeah. But yeah, like, I guess you could say her, but at the same time, it's a move. She's making a move.

This is a good point. I forgot to mention it from Jay Krill Moretti. Not a question, but you're only going back at Rula. Epic, your husband's a whore. Perfection. Yeah, that was great. That was really great. Yeah.

Oh, that was the other thing that I forgot about at the end. When she's talking, when Rula's like really spiraling at the very end and she's going after Joe Ellen, she says something. She's like, yeah, you're known for fucking doctors. That's probably why. And then she stopped herself. I texted you and I was like, I think she was trying to go of some sort of weird route where she was saying that Joe Ellen feels spurned because Brian didn't want to have sex

with her. And now she's got a vendetta against him. I think that's where she was going to head towards the end of the episode there. It was very funny. I really wish that she got the whole thing out. Maybe she'll get there next episode. Yeah. You know,

when Brian comes out there, like she's just bad because he turned her down. I really hope that that actually comes about. But we can end on this one from Car Millionaire. Are you scared of Liz? Yes. Yeah, definitely. Period.

I don't know what to expect from her. No, and the whispers, that should, yeah, that gets me. Every time she does, oh,

are you? I was like, ah, No. I'm sorry. Alone, lady. Yeah, I'm sorry, Liz. I don't know.

I'm doing anything. I'm so sorry. Yeah, but I mean, geared up for a fantastic episode, too, even if it doesn't hit as hard as this one, like that is huge props to a new cast in their very first reunion showing up like that. That was really impressive.

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