Bros & Shows - Is Stacey Lying or is TJ Trying? (RHOP Reunion pt. 3 Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

What's up Bros? The RHOP reunion finished on an interesting note. It certainly wasn't a bad episode but it was very different from the format that we're used to. Mia leaves (no one cares). And TJ drops the bomb that he was paid to be Stacey's love interest the entire season AND she owes him backpay. Now, we certainly dont intend to just believe TJ. After all, where are the reciepts? Wheres the evidence? However, Stacey did not help her case with her defense. The whole "I can't make sense of it" was an interesting approach. The rest of the ladies weigh in and it appears that they have a whole lot of questions and skepticism regarding the topic. Karen and Ray make a laughable appearance to try to take some heat off of herself and take "accountability". Even Gizelle told Andy to turn it off. Will we get the answer to the TJ v Stacey debacle? Or will we have to wait until next season? time will tell, but all in all, that was a quality season of RHOP and we are hopefully headed in the right direction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is strong. The outlook for this season next season is very strong because we have a good, cohesive group. Seems like they get along, and when they don't, it is very funny when they don't get along. And the cherry on top, after today, we can stop talking about Karen. Yay! I am so tired of talking about Karen. Shows, Brows and Shows, I got to have Moved Now Bros and Shows.

Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magooner. That's a good one. That's because I didn't know what to say. I just kept to introduced at like a wrestling event or something. What would your wrestling name be? Shooter Magooter.

The Mighty Magoots? The Might, yeah. yeah that works i haven't really thought about that the mighty gooter the mighty gooter that's not bad what would my special move be uh mustache ride no time at all to think about that one all right we are hitting the ground running in this second episode yeah baby you know it's the second episode so buckle up uh we're also both a little tie tie so our first episode was a little crazy so we'll see how this one goes uh we'll try we'll try to stay on task here uh no promises This is actually, though, for a reunion episode, pretty simple.

I would like to think so. It was a very weird. It had a very weird feeling the whole time. It didn't feel like a, like, oh, we got closure on all this stuff for a reunion episode. It felt like we watched a behind the scenes episode. Yeah, I think that it was interesting. We talked about it last week. We feel like they probably could have just gotten this done in two episodes, but they stretch it to three for other reasons.

It worked. It worked. It was just weird how it worked. It's like the husbands did not come out. They were supposed to come out. Andy was on the couches. We were looking at phone videos. It genuinely...

It's a very casual reunion. I liked it. Yeah, I fucked with it. But it wasn't interesting because usually it's very like, we got to get through this. We got to get through this. This was like, fuck it. I mean, we had a great first two episodes.

Like, this is fine. Let's just tie a bow on it like this. But I enjoyed it. But obviously last episode, we were left with that cliffhanger. I'm a little upset at some people in our audience. Okay. Why? I wanted this to be an actual reveal.

And people commented on the YouTube video from last week. Like, you guys didn't hear. I didn't hear until I watched it. So I feel great. I'm peanut butter and jelly because I read a comment and I was like, oh. Well, let me tell you from my perspective, I didn't see this shit coming. I did not see this coming. When I read the thing, I was like, oh, my God.

It could have been 20 other things before it was this. This I had, did not have my radar at all. Yeah, but yeah, somebody in the comments was like, oh, you don't read it? I'm like, no. and this was apparently, apparently a lot of people knew that this was what was going to be. And then other people were like, I knew it was going to be that. I was like, no, you didn't. Yeah.

There's no way. Who would a point? I know that spoilers, and we get yelled at for spoilers when we're doing a recap for an episode that you guys also watched. So I still don't understand how that's spoilers. But wouldn't you rather just watch it? No. I should have kept the comment. I should have screenshot it.

Somebody legitimately said, I don't like watching The Bachelor this season because it's so slow moving. Oh, I met like for something like this. Like rather than going on Reddit and finding out what T.J. was talking about before we watch it. Yes. Wouldn't you rather just watch the episode? That's how surprised? That's how I am.

Okay? Not everybody's like that. Some people will spoil it before the season starts. I don't get it. I don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. I want to be surprised. But T.J. is not coming because they're not together anymore.

This is when we find out what happened on that phase. time. Apparently, T.J. said, I was paid to be on this show. She claims I told him not to come. He says that she told him not to come. I don't know if this is because he was mad, that he wasn't invited to the reunion, or because he has not been paid fully for his services, because that's another thing. There's also no receipts. That's my whole thing. I immediately went to Twitter thinking, all right, T.J, he is fame hungry. He wants to make sure that his name stays out there stays relevant for as long as possible. We all know that.

I expected him to be posting receipts. I need a Venmo transactions, Zell, checks, text messages, something. Something. That's why I'm still speculative of this whole thing. But Stacey handled it so weird and we'll talk about it obviously more in depth that I'm like, is it true? I don't know. I just honestly, I wasn't sure about so many things in this episode, but like it was funny.

It was just stupid, funny humor that I did not really worry about. about whether or not anything was true because I was just enjoying it. Yeah, she was like, I absolutely don't believe that. And I was like, that's a weird response to this whole thing. And Kiarna was like, I fucking told you. I clocked this early. She's like, I knew that he was acting.

Hernders was a true color. Stacey dropped or showed up very quick. I loved it. Kiarna came, like Kiarna, I said all season, she wasn't getting a fair shake like she needed more time on screen. After the reunion performance, I'm like, she definitely deserves to come back. I loved her this episode.

Yeah. But she's like, there's no way. And it's like, well, let's roll the tape in three, two, one. And every, all of the ladies turn and look. And he's like, no, this is for the editors. They're like, ah, no, roll the tape. They're like, well, the camera's in with fucking Mia right now, pretending to cry. Do you guys think that we're just walking around with like iPhones recording all of this?

I don't know. I was, I kind of. I was surprised that he got it as quickly as he did. I am too, but I was also at the same time, like, yeah, roll it. Roll it. But instead, we get to cut over to Mia who's like, not my kids. It's like, you brought your kids. Go home.

This is, like, get the fuck out. We do not, no one on that, on the either couch or Andy, nobody budged. Not one person. Me left. Oh, God, no, please. Right. Well, I know.

Not one person. Not even Jacqueline. No. Like, your, your minion. Jacqueline definitely got to stay out there a little bit longer because she was stoked. She's like more screen time. This is cool. She was actually.

Me is really gone. Like, she's out of the building. All right. Now I'm going to start telling you guys, I disagree with a lot of the stuff she was saying. She was so much more tolerable this episode. I know. It was so weird. It was so weird.

I don't know what it is, but as soon as me, it left, I'm like, Jacqueline's not that bad. She's fine. She's fine. She can stay. Yeah, she's totally fine to come back as a friend of. I didn't have an issue with her. I don't know who she's a friend of, but she can come back. Mia is the catalyst.

She is the reason that Jacqueline sucks apparently. Yeah, got to get rid of her. That's crazy. I just see on the back of your notebook. It just says, let me see it. Yeah. In all caps. Let me see it.

That's it because the lady. Well, the ladies are all like everything makes sense now. And she's, they're all like, let us see this video. We need confirmation of it. And Stacey's defense, she's like, why would I sit here and say that he's my best friend and all of these other things? And everyone's like, to protect the lie. Yeah.

What do you mean? That's the biggest issue with Stacey the whole episode. Her defense is so non-emphatic. Yeah. It's bizarre. I didn't get it. Like, why wouldn't you just say he's lying? And not the weird ways that you're saying it.

You're like, I can't believe that. I can't make sense of this. It's like, what to fuck? You don't call Happy Eddie a liar. Don't you dare call Happy Eddie a liar. And everyone I love this. It's like, bring Eddie out. Bring Eddie out.

Because Andy says we're not bringing the husbands out. I'm like, oh, Greg's going to be pissed because he could have been bopping around Manhattan. He's immediately left. Yeah, definitely. He's bopping right now. He caught a ride with Mia. Where you going? The airport?

Drop me off at the nearest bar. Hell yeah, brother. But Eddie comes out. I loved Eddie's demeanor. He's like, I'm not supposed to be here. He, like, strolls out and corroborates the story. does like a slow turn to Stacey because Andy's like what do you say he's like that he gets paid and he's like by who he's like you he doesn't want to get involved but he does corroborate the

story and Stacey continues to try to defend it not well at all I didn't even understand what she was doing what is her stance on this that she doesn't understand it yeah I think so what is that mean I have no idea I just have no idea the very cut and dry You're going to say that Eddie's lying about the FaceTime call even after, and like you're vehemently doing this, even after we know that we have footage of it. No, no, she's still claiming there's no footage, even when Eddie comes out and says, like, I just got off the phone with him. And there was a camera in my face.

And she's like, there's still no footage. I don't believe you. It doesn't. What? He's telling you, he just came from having the conversation. And he's telling you what happened. You're calling him a liar to his face now. And he even goes in depth to say, like, T.J. sounded up.

upset. He was tired of this narrative of, you know, he's this flamboyant person. Obviously, there's been a lot of rumors out there about who TJ is. So he was sick of getting talked about that way. And the fact that I guess she's laid on the payments, if this is true, he got pissed about that. And he left it at she owes him money. And then we're trying to play this semantics game. Well, it's like, oh, well, does she owe him money for being on the show? Or does she owe him money? Stacey, do you owe him money? She's like, I don't owe him anything at all. And I'm like, okay. you need to say more there were so many outs that were given to her too I thought so Andy talking about like did you have to fly him in and pay for his flight to be on the show so that he could be a love interest she's like no I never paid for any of that it's like okay

so next question did you pay him to be your love interest on the show so that you had something to talk about no like okay what the fuck is going on elaborate yeah say more or put it all on him and be like that is either just a very bizarre joke that T.J. thinks is very funny and he's just saying it to the boys, or he's just straight

up lying. You need to try to exonerate yourself somehow because everybody now is just keying in on you. Well, the worst thing you could do is everyone's saying, call him. Yeah. FaceTime him right now. And she's like, I don't owe him a call. It's like, you do. Yeah. Because you need to clear this up. And now Wendy calls bullshit because she says the same thing. She's like, you need to get ahead of this. You need to clear up because we have too much evidence against you. and Wendy just lays it out. I love this move because she's like, look. So cut and dry.

Just remember, if you don't clear this up right now, your character will forever be in question. You will always and forever be a liar. Here is your chance to do this. And we get this like, Andy's like, what's that? Okay. Yep. All right.

We have confirmation. We do have the video. We're going to get out here on a phone and Mia left. Me left. Anybody care? No. All right. Let's move on.

Let's get. The tape, and we roll the tape. And it's exactly what we watched from last week. We just get the tidbit of him saying that she paid him to be on the show, that she's whack. So he doesn't even like her anymore, apparently. If he ever did like her, this whole thing's very confusing. He also has a fur cover on his seatbelt. Yeah.

The least surprising thing ever. He probably also has the steering wheel cover. He's probably a furry. I think that's what the whole, I think that's what the whole Bugs Bunny thing was about. Oh, you think he dresses up as Bugs Bunny? Uh-huh. Yeah. he's a furry yeah that's what i'm thinking yeah i could explain a lot we talked about lola we did

talk about lola bunny oh my god he also was obsessed with lola what's the best way to get to lola dress up as bugs wow find your lola buddy find your low do it on tv because i don't want to watch that that's crazy stay away from potomac what if he really is a furry i don't know man i wouldn't be surprised as eccentric as he is that's where the fucking bugs bunny reference comes in is that He dresses as bugs and goes to hurry parties. It's actually not a stuffed animal like this one. No, it's a mascot suit. It's a full mascot suit.

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so easy to see because he's nuts. Well, that's the thing. But then Stacey's not defending herself in a way that makes it seem like it's a lie. Just say, like you were around the guy, everybody. He's a fucking lunatic. It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. And she ends it with, of course, hurt people, hurt

people. Stop it. Of course. Yeah. Stop it. So now you're telling us that because you broke things off with him, because you guys weren't intimate, because your relationship wasn't going anywhere. And he's a weirdo. That he's now making up a lie saying that you paid him to be on show and you're not refuting it really yes weird very very weird behavior by everybody involved i don't

know what's going on i don't either but kearna again all-star of this episode calls out this is bullshit and i love that move and now she tries to she tried too many different approaches she should have stuck to one because she's like i can't believe that you girls believe him over me and somebody calls out says whoa whoa don't flip this on us now all right don't you dare flip this on us and when he's like we pulled the phone out on your ass you don't have a defense right now because you're originally saying there's no way that this happened

you called Eddie a liar now we have evidence and now your response to the evidence is not strong enough it's very strange I know we keep saying it but like it's so weird anybody watching this show

anybody watching this episode or who has seen Stacy this whole time we know that she has changed from this like gullible happy go lucky person in the beginning of the season to being a vindictive person towards the end towards Karen and then taking it out on everybody else and kind of getting into the mix and we like to see that.

This just makes no sense for her character, for anything. She wasn't being overly nice about it. If she was overly nice about it, it's like, okay, maybe that's just who Stacy is in some way. If she was mean about it, it's like, all right, this is who she is. This is great. She's going to throw TJ under the bus and say that he's lying. Great. She kind of fell somewhere in the middle and it just didn't make any sense.

No. And now we're left again because as soon as that, as soon as this segment wrapped, I, like minimize the screen, went into Twitter, tried to see if TJ was posting anything. There's nothing on there. Nobody's producing any receipts. There's no Reddit. And I'm even more confused. There's just nothing. That's weird. Yeah. Very weird. But not as weird as saying I can't explain something. I don't understand. What's so hard to understand? Either this happened or it did not happen. Getting caught off guard

is one thing, but like it's pretty easy to figure out what this is. We've been talking about it for an extended period of time. They've cut it down on the show, which means you've been talking about for longer. And you were given else. What don't you understand? I don't understand. I just wrote down woof because I don't fucking get it. But this, this is the last time we have to talk about it.

But we get a Karen recap of this season through quote unquote a different lens, which, no, I watch it this way the entire season and like the lies and the deflection. And Andy's asking some questions now, like, have you ladies seen this side of Karen, this drunk side of Karen? and everyone's like, oh, yeah, absolutely. And is it a problem? And I think Ashley speaks up and says, well, I've definitely seen her using it to cope. And is this all a deflection from lashing out? Yes, 100%.

And Jacqueline did catch strays all season from Karen. We even called that out. But I was like, who was this? I know, right? Like, she was much more composed the way that she answered and responded to everything. I was like, yeah, you did. and she did take a step back because she's like, well, Mia, by the way, said everything.

And it's like, yeah, you said it too. Ashley points that out. So let's not, like, I don't hate that move to throw me under the bus there. No, she's not there to defend herself. But at the same time, like, you did all say it. I don't love that Giselle still sticking by Karen a little bit. I get where she's coming from. That's her friend.

But she's like, you know, Karen's concern, Jacqueline, was that things on camera were going to affect her case. And you didn't get that. And Wendy jumps and he's like, yeah, well, I agree. but she kept pushing her case. Right. She's the one that kept pushing it later and later. If she was smarter, she would have done the trial before the season.

If she was smarter, she would have taken the plea deal. Yes. But because she didn't, she let the season run, which definitely affected her case because of her behavior on the screen. There's no way they didn't use some of that. Like, again, not lawyers, believe it or not. Yeah. But if I was an attorney, I'd be like, look at this, Judge. Yeah.

She still thinks she's innocent. A through Z. All you have to show is her talk. about it and then play the body cam footage and be like she doesn't think she did anything wrong sir and this is her on the night off play the bravo reenactment with the deer do you have to play the bravo you really do need to show everybody what happened yes the best way to show everybody what happened but yeah i i don't understand this and we kind of talked about it throughout the season because she kept pushing her court date back and back and back trying to get things you know suppressed

trying to get all of these things dropped against her because she thought she was innocent I guess her thing was that they didn't read her Miranda right. She thought she had a loophole. It seems like they probably didn't. She was blackout. Correct. Because she wasn't watching the videos of what happened and didn't realize how drunk she was. But it just never made any sense.

And the only thing I can try to come up with is she probably thought that she had enough power on this show to make everybody just shut up about it. I think that was the vibe. And it was very wrong. But also she played herself into that position. and then played terribly and showed that she did think she was innocent this whole time and made so many excuses and ignored it and acted like it wasn't that big of a deal when it was and that is something that somebody in the court can look and say hey look at this no remorse throw the fucking look at her yeah and they did don't give her an out don't give her the

all right you know what you're a little bit older don't give her the treatment where you're playing like you're handling her with care or anything like that this is her fourth offense as we found out. And this is where she is. This is where her mindset is. She thinks she's innocent and she's downplaying everything. Correct. She doesn't deserve it. No, not at all, especially from what we see in about five minutes. But I agree with Ashley. She has the worst legal team in the history of the law. Like you and I could have done a better job. Which one? She fired her entire legal team and get new ones. Yeah. And all of them sucked because if anybody saw the body camp footage, which she claims to have not watched, you would know, like she's dead to rights. You

don't have a case. She's fucking hammered right now. So, yeah, horrible legal representation. And they're like, well, maybe she was so blackout. She forgot about the body cammage. Cammage. Body cammage footage. The council asked for the footage to be scrubbed, to be suppressed so they couldn't use it. So clearly they were aware of the footage. She refused the deal, which was six months house arrest or 60 days in jail. We bring up the clankety clank line that she said to Ashley, that didn't age well, because clankety clank Karen you're in jail now but there's more to this story because she claims in the body cam footage that somebody else was driving the car this is not the first time we've heard that there might have been somebody else on the scene is that a driver is it the blue-eyed man

is it anybody is she just trying to throw somebody else under the bus that's probably what i think but i guess this bar was about four minutes away from her house so she thought she could make it home wendy was about to say something And then she goes, mm-mm, nope, mm-mm, mm-mm. I'm so glad it comes out later because I was like, now don't do that. Yeah. Like, if we're on a reunion, you can't do that.

Say what you're going to say, because now I'm going to be thinking about it the entire time. Yeah. But, like, I also, like, by doing that, especially on a reunion stage, you're just calling attention to yourself. That's what I, that is like, why do that at all?

I don't know. Like, you can just make a face, and then if Andy catches you making a face, you can say, oh, I thought you were going to say something, then just downplay it. Well, maybe she was setting it up for later. I mean, she does say it. It was just, it was an interesting move.

And look, Wendy had a great season, so she wants to do that. She had a great season. Her and Giselle carried. Yeah, they definitely did. But we get this fucking bizarre footage of a scene between Ray and Karen, which is the final nail in this fucking coffin. Now, she does not give two fucks about what she did. She does not care at all because she's laying in bed. She's clearly had a glam.

team come in. She's laying in the bed and Ray comes in, how you feel? And she's like, oh, you know, I'm hanging in there. And I didn't remember anything. But now the dots are starting to connect and you know I didn't watch those tapes before the trial, how dumb would you have to be to be going into a trial on your fourth DUI and refusing to watch the footage that would condemn you to jail? That is literally the only evidence that they needed was just watch this, Your Honor. She was drunk. And also by stating that you're not watching it because you don't have the stomach for it or whatever you want to say, just screams

guilty. It screams completely guilty because you recognize that you did something wrong. Too embarrassing for me to watch that back. Okay, so you were hammered. Admission of guilt? Yeah. Maybe, but don't worry because he teed up right to be like, well, there was the construction. Oh, yeah,

you know, there's the construction, but like, I take full accountability for what I did because I was self-medicating with pills and And instead of going back to the, what's my line? Go back to the doctor. Instead of going back to the doctor, I upped my dosage. And then when we got to the house with friends, I started out with Estella.

And I was like, I don't want the Stella. So I had a little bit of champagne. And I mixed it with my medication and it snowballed from there. I don't drink and drive. I don't drink and drive. You know, I don't drink and drive. And it's so telling to. And obviously, you know, you can hear Giselle on the other side of the stage.

Like, turn this off. Yeah, she's doing it. Ashley's just pointless. Ashley's sitting there like, oh, and then you started with Fireball. It's like, okay. You guys know. You guys know exactly what's going on. You know Karen.

And then my fucking jaw dropped when Ray's like, this is comparable to Ken and Raquel in the hot tub line. This is elder abuse, by the way. 100%. Because Ray is like, oh, yeah, like you're the blue-eyed driver. I was like, don't fucking do that. Don't try to get rid of the blue-eyed man with this shit, too. You guys, this is so goddamn scripted. And this is where you get to this part where it's like, turn it off, Andy.

Because she's like, you know, we made a deal when I got my DUI, 13 years. years ago, which number was that? Was that number one, two, or three? Yeah. Because this is four. So I hope you made a deal. You didn't stick to your deal. Nope.

Uber's not that expensive if it's a four-minute drive from your house. Yeah. Okay? And you're the Grand Dame. Can't you afford it? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here? But they say turn it off. Yeah.

They say turn it off, Andy. Because now we're starting to pull out stats. Because Ray's like, well, it makes you feel any better. There's six million car accidents a year. What does that do? That seems organic. Yeah. Sick, bro.

Did you pull that out of your? Did you fucking play Jeopardy this morning? What were we talking about? What? Absolutely crazy. But nobody buys it at all. Andy, weird move. He's like advocating for it.

He's like, well, hold on. Like she took accountability. It's like, in what world? He's like, she tried to. No, she was making excuses more. And even now finally, and this is like, I was like, all right, Giselle's back because she's like, what about the beers in the car? Like, this is bullshit.

This whole thing is bullshit. Ashley pulls out a story when she's on the train up to New York City. Who knows of this? I don't know if this is true or not. This is what I'm like, all right, we can't keep doing this. What I think it is, is she does know somebody from legal seafood. Yes. That saw

her and used this as kind of that storyline. I would get so excited when they said Montgomery County too. Yeah, no, not that. I'm like, damn. Different Montgomery County. Like, there is one at King of Russia. You're doxing us now. I know. Dick? Yeah. Well, I didn't say specific. Between that in 2009, everybody's going to know where we are.

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She comes into legal seafood every day when I worked there and was day drinking. Yep. So this is not something that just came out. This is something that's been happening for an extended period of time. It's preexisting. And this is when Wendy speaks up and says, this is what I was going to say, but I bit my tongue. She would go to a place. And she says, I went to a place and somebody came up to me and said, Karen comes here every day and gets drunk.

And I 1,000 percent believe that. Yeah. And Wendy saying it, I believe that. Yeah, I do too. And look, nobody there is confident about Karen surviving prison. Like, she's going to have a rough time. She's going to have a rough go. And Andy finishes everything off.

He's like, look, Stacey, great season. What the fuck do you do now? Didn't see this coming for you. And she responds with, again, it's so strange. She's like, well, I lost my best friend tonight. But still I rise. And like, fuck, leave my Angela out of this. Shut the fuck up.

And he goes, well, speaking of Baia, Mia, they're like, nope, that doesn't work either. Don't fucking do that. It's not the same thing. And Mia left and Giselle's like, I think it's whack. This is bullshit. We've all done nonsense. We all still showed up. We all have to show up and take our beating.

That's how this show works. That's what you do at reunions. That's like the biggest no-no in Bravo. Oh, yeah. You don't fuck with the reunion. You got to stick it out. You don't show up. You're gone.

You leave early. We don't know. We have seen blood baths at reunions. This was bad. This was nowhere near some of the worst that we've seen. Take it back to Scandibald. That was a lashing. That was crazy.

He sat there and took it. He did. And he got the shipping himself on traitors. Oh, boy, you're going to piss a lot of people over that one. But Ashley, I love this where she says, and Ashley had a good season. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. And she's like, she's still on business all season long.

Too much singing. Like, he's either going to be singing or TikToks. It is what it is. But she's like, she's still on business all season. And now she wants to act this way. I'm like, it's a great point. She was tough. She was talking that shit all season long.

But when you pressed her a little. bit at the reunion. Now she's, like, now she's soft-spoken and like, I don't know what you're talking about. Leave the kids out of it. It's like, dude, once again, you brought the kids out of it. And even Ashley's like, she had so much time to course correct. She could have shifted the narrative. But she dug the whole deeper and deeper and deeper. And Wendy has to make sure everyone knows. I clocked this shit season one. I had me a peg, season one, roll the tape. And yes, you did. Cudos to you. Jaze's like, dude, stop it. But all in all, I mean, great season. There was a lot of scary moments where I didn't know if we were going to make it. Yeah, there was a lot of potential downfalls. But we got, they pulled themselves out pretty quickly. I agree. That's, that's a sign of a good, a good cast. I agree. You're aware of what's going on around them. There's a lot of, like we've said it all season long, even the down episodes. There is a core cast here that will make this show good. Oh, yeah. I'm hoping they don't change a lot. If they want to bring in one more friend of perhaps, because, I mean, we didn't get a whole out of Jazzy. We need to. And without Karen.

I mean, it pains me to say it, but, like, Mia's probably going to come back with Karen Al. I imagine. I imagine they still offer mea as something. I can't do a Mia redemption arc. I cannot do it. I will not survive it. I'm going to have to take a big backseat. Like, she's going to have to be that friend of.

Why do I can never remember what they're holding in the intro. Oh, in Potomac? Yeah. We kept saying it was a cherry blossom in it's definitely not. Isn't it a champagne flute? I think it's a chair. Yeah, it is a champagne. Yeah.

Yeah. The cherry blossom is Potomic. We got stuck on it. Yeah. But I do believe it's a champagne. Yeah, it's a champagne flute. You are so right, buddy, but... Thanks, dude.

Second episode, leave me alone. But I need me to just move to the end. You can still be a full-time housewife. Now, nowhere near the middle. The moat. Giselle goes right in the middle, as she should, with Wendy... Let's put Wendy and Ashley on either side. Yep, that's how it should go.

Yep. Absolutely. But look, I'm confident moving forward, which is great. And we got to just pick aside. Do you believe T.J.? or do you believe Stacey I still believe Stacey I think I don't know what the hell she was doing but I would never believe TJ

I just can't bring myself to believe DJ no I can't you there's no way it just doesn't make any sense it does there would be there would be evidence yeah and I'll eat my words if he pulls some evidence out I'll be like all right he was telling the truth mine yeah it just doesn't

if you can't corroborate we we've learned our lesson with reality shows and believing people without receipts well that's what I'm saying about him specifically he wants to be on TV. He wants his face out there. Why is he not producing receipts right now? I don't know. Me neither. I don't know. There's so many questions. I'm sure we're going to have some questions speaking out. Let's get to some questions. First up here from Rachel underscore Ray. Was there a point

to this episode? Yeah. It was fine. Tie a bow on it. It's kind of funny. T.J. thing was weird. Yeah, we had a good time. It was just a different kind of reunion. It was late back. It was fun. Who invited the fun police, Rachel? from Gail style I don't understand why nobody believes Stacey that guy was so creepy he was very creepy but Stacey did a terrible job The defense was weird

The defense was very weird And also we've kind of clocked this the whole season That Giselle has been like very weirdly against She there's something There's something not against her She's there's something about Stacey That doesn't vibe with Giselle Yeah I agree

And when that radar goes up I kind of lean toward Giselle. I trust her instincts. Oh, yeah, this is a good point. From R.M. Laze, what happened to the bucket hat interview? You remember Karen with her bucket hat on?

Oh, yeah. There was a whole, like, clip of that for the reunion that they didn't show. Oh, I don't care. Yeah. We don't need any more, Karen. We are dumb with Karen. Yeah, I hate how she handled this whole thing.

Yeah. She dug that hole so much deeper than I thought she could. From DR. Witt 11, how much would a housewave have to pay you to appear on the show as that best friend? Not as much, if I'm being honest, not that much. We are pretty cheap. Free money? Yeah, I'm on. What do you want me to do?

Pretend to be your love interest? Sure. Okay. We're not actually doing anything intimate? Fine. Totally. Even better. Right.

From Nicky Mono 23. Is Mia Piss that nobody came after her the second time? Even Andy was like, well, we'll move along. Yes. Yeah, that was her whole plan. Yep. That's why she stalled in, like, getting undressed and doing all of that. How do I get out of here?

They're not coming for you. Yeah, nobody's coming for you. By the way, did you see what she says, how to get out of here at the end of the hallway is a big red exit sign on top of the door? Not the brightest. Right there, dude. You go right down the hallway. They're not coming. They are not coming.

Get out. From Destiny Mitchell. Is Peter Thomas slash Joe Gorgas shaking in their boots seeing Happy Eddie get the first pair? Yes, they are. Absolutely. That definitely upset Joe. No more deserving a husband than happy Eddie to get first chair. Yeah.

He's the man. I actually like this point. From Robert Taylor, writer of stuff, great name always. Moving Wendy to the first position at the end felt like a reward for being so awesome this reunion. Yeah, she deserved to be up there. Definitely. Her and Giselle deserve to be in the front position. They are the top, too, without a doubt.

I think Ashley is third. I think she had a shockingly great season. uh kiana is up and coming i like it stacey had a phenomenal season and just the most bizarre finish like she has had arguably this strangest housewife journey that we've ever seen yeah like her in the beginning of this season like was just so innocent didn't know anything about the game was played kind of came into her own started talking shit started throwing some shade around at the end into the reunion where she is allegedly paying a man to be her love interest and her defense is, I just can't understand what's happening right now. I don't know

which way is up. What the fuck. It's so great. What a journey. It should be studied. This last one is just for you because somebody else apparently is dealing with the same issue that you face. Raw milk. Don't get me started again. From Madison Nelson, please give some deets on if Stacey actually paid T.J. or J.T. whatever his name TJ or JT

Oh you're going through it I look Everybody's gonna go we will If we find out deeds We will drop the deeds And we will talk about it Yeah but as far I'll be in a social media post

As far as the TJ versus JT thing It's not your fault It's not There's a lot of TJJT's on Bravo It's very confusing Yeah But you did good You did good kid

You are But good I don't know I was not thinking I hate that You're good I hate that so much Oh, boy.

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