Bros & Shows - It's All Happening... Again (VPR, SumHouse, RHONJ)

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Happy Scheana Shay Wedding Day! we are back with a VPR packed episode as we watch Brock and Scheana get married and it was b-e-a-you-tiful. Lala wouldn't know because she refuses to do any wedding activities and meanwhile Schwartz is playing tonsil hockey with Raquel (read Rachel) at the white party. In Summer House, its Kyle's 40th an Carl is planning on proposing to Lindsay at the end of the summer. Tensions between her and Danielle are reaching a boiling point and Craig and Paige discuss their future. In Jersey the ladies take a group trip to Ireland. Jen and Bill continue to struggle and Jen drops a massive bomb regarding Melissa Gorga and an infidelity rumor... Time Stamps: VPR(16:38) Summer House (56:34) RHONJ (1:05:38) This episode is brought to you by ZocDoc. Simplify your search for the right doctor by going to ZocDoc.com/Bros to download the app for FREE and find a top rated doctor today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Steele Russell joined as always by the one and only Summer shoots Magoods. What's up, dude? It's funny you say summer shoots and goods because it is summer. I know. It's full-blown summer. It's golf season. I'm sore as shit.

But yeah, it was like 90 degrees on my way here. And who needs a spring? I am so thrilled that it's hot out. So I have this like, it's a tradition I only do by myself and I don't even tell anybody about it. But like I save it. Keep those to yourself from. Probably. No, I save it for the first, like, nice day of the year. When it's like 75,

preferably 80 plus, I break out my jorts. And I'm sitting next to you in my jorts right now. You are. It was a disturbing site when I walked in your house. I don't think that's. It wasn't disturbing. It was just like, ah, well, it's jorts season, baby. And the best part about these jorts is there's like stretchy jegging jorts, so they're workout jorts. Probably enough. Not only not, watch your mouth. Not only are they become. coming, but they're practical. And I am making a push to bring Jorts back. You realize that when you try to bring things back on this show, it doesn't work.

When I bring things back, it always works. Then help me out. Throw me a bone and let's bring back Jorts. Why not? Everything else is come. Mullets are back. Mullets are cool again. So how far across the spectrum is mullets from Jorts?

I feel like they're one and the same. So why can't Jorz make it come back? I think everybody chose mullets over Jorts. I think they had an option. Instead of doing two and being a full-on overload, They just went with the mullets. You can go one or the other. Yeah.

They had like a discussion. You know what actually is coming back that people are talking about? Wallpaper. Well, yeah, that. But cargo pants. Really? Isn't that weird? Oh, my God.

Are we going to see people out on like golf courses with the zip off short pant thing? Oh, the double joins? I don't know about that. But I do know that like there's like cargo, not jaggings. I already used that word. Fuck, joggers. There's like cargo joggers. It's probably.

somebody's going to yell at us too because it's probably like fashion but we are fashion god f a s h you end some stuff just needs to stay in the past you know not jorts not jorts not not jorts oh yeah you're in agreement yeah i could see jorts coming back anyway it's jorts season so all i use out there if you are a brav bro yourself you need to put on your jorts now plug plug plug our live show is in two weeks at the city winery april 27th with zack Peter. It's a hashtag no filter night out. So make sure that you go to any of our pages. The link is in the bio. So just go to our bio, get some tickets and come hang out with us. The show is going to be about an hour, hour and a half. We got some Bravo Lebs coming out. We're announcing them this week, I think. You guys are going to hear who's coming up. Yeah. I think we decided before our next live with Sack next Wednesday. Yeah, yeah. Maybe during you. That's when it'll come out. It'll pop up. Now that we're two weeks out, how are you feeling about it? It's entirely fine.

That's really anticlimactic. Why? Are you excited? Oh, yeah, yeah, obviously. I think you meant like, am I nervous? No, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm not, no, no, no, I'm excited for it. I'm not nervous.

I can't wait. And the thing that we're going to have to do, because we discussed it early on, like, what do we want out of the podcast? We're crossing off my number one pretty shortly into this whole thing. We're not even a year in. We're doing a live show. Yeah. So I'm going to have to think bigger next year.

what could possibly be bigger movie behind it's interesting you brought that up behind the hot takes on the h1 the story about the brapros behind the bros yeah oh i like i don't know about that yeah oh wait that has a different implication i suppose uh behind the scenes with the bros i don't know this plug just turned into a butt plug and that's the perfect time to take us to our rose and thorn yeah so why don't you do you want me to go first you want to go first uh i'm going to go off because I'm going to do something a little fun. I'm going to go off. All right, go off, queen. Go off.

So obviously two weeks ago, we got our Kate R. Sharif. Ah, yes, of course. Of course. Oh, God, I'm sorry. Let me amend this. This is our Rose and Kate R. Sharif. It is. The KRS, if you will.

Continue. So kind of building off of that. And I was really thinking about it. And the way that she commented on it, she said it's just too gratuitous, right? She said that it was too self-indulgent. and insufferable. I'm going to do two roses now. I love this.

I'm going to double up and make ourselves feel much better instead of bringing it down. How about that? I like that. Maybe I should go first because I'm doing a thorn. All right, go for the thorn, though. Yeah, yeah. Let me go first because I don't like to end it on a thorn. Double rainbow.

Double rainbow, man. So I'm going to start off with my thorn. And it's a recurring theme this week and recently. And ever since kind of Vanderpump started, a lot of people have been using this as, I don't know if they're trying to come at us, I don't know if they don't have an actual argument, and it's just an easy cop out, but whatever. So last night I posted a story to our Instagram about the la-la poll that was on Watch What Happens Live. It's ridiculous, yeah. It was so skewed. And like last week, there was another poll, or I think it was this week,

there was another poll that seemed crazy skewed with Lindsay and Danielle, where I was like, what the fuck is going on? And then there was one last week, I think, again, with VPR people. It's the, yeah, the polls are crazy. insane so a lot of people did comment on it and point out the people that watch these watch what happens live tend to watch when people are on it that they like okay so they tend to lean more towards them i guess is what they said that seems to that's logical to me that makes sense but anyway it was about that poll and i just posted and said these polls are fucking ludicrous like they're insane i don't understand where these votes are coming from and somebody commented on and said why

she's not a bridesmaid so why should they have to go to every event this is when men just don't get it. I don't know. Do you want to get into what Lala said and just the whole thing? I don't just kind of break this up. Like, it's ridiculous. She said that she was going to go and then the moment that Katie was there, she took Katie side and wasn't there for the pride of all people.

The reason that you're there, you dodged out on multiple important events. Correct. So I don't really understand what. There's not much more to discuss. There's not. But here's what pisses me off when it comes to like throwing out. the oh like these men just don't get it men don't understand blah blah blah with that whole thing first of all multiple people have agreed with us many of them being women okay second of

all it's not a male train of thought what it is is a counterpoint to you it's a different stance we appreciate and accept openly all takes if you have a take that is different than ours we are happy to discuss it with you but don't write us off and say, oh, they're just men because it's bullshit. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I just wouldn't even engage with somebody like that just because it's lazy. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to have a qualm with something that we say, at least give us some

sort of evidence or tell us just how you feel, but don't say, oh, these men just don't get it. Like, that means nothing. It does tell us why, all right? If you say these men don't get it and tell us why, explain your thinking, X, Y, and Z, then we will address X, Y, and Z. And if we don't agree, it's fine. Who cares?

Exactly. And we'll engage with you and discuss it. And we won't even get mad that you said that. We just want to know why. What's the why behind it? You can be mean as you want to us. All right. We love it. Just tell us why. Zatists. Yeah. My rose is taking a different turn this week because it was mine. It's my comment. And this is weird. This is very self-indulting. This is super self-indulgent. This is my. So that was my Kate Arsherie. This is kind of a Kate R. Sharif as well, because we are being self-indulgent today. See what she did, Kate? This is what happens when you give us ammo.

There's no chance that she listens to. I guess she does. She does if she knows Rosen Thorne. No, so she definitely listens. So, like, this is what happens. We run with it. We're going to run with it forever. So there was a post.

It was Teddy Mellencamp coming up with her taglines if she was let back on the show. Okay. Yeah, I know. You rolled your eyes and rightfully so. And it said the caption was, what should be her tagline. And I said, even Gatorade can't quench this housewife's thirst. That's good.

Or, no, even Gatorade can't quench this thirsty housewife. Either way. Either way. Yeah. And look, I don't comment a lot. You're more of the commenter on Twitter sometimes. You have, oh, that's good. Clipier stuff.

I was so proud of myself and it got like a ton of likes, but I was like, you can't do better. I nailed it. I won the internet. The Queens of Bravo comment on it. Yeah, they said, oh, my God. with like 10 or like five of those skull emojis. And then everyone else commented similarly like, holy shit, this is the best.

You win today. And so you know what? My rose is me. Steel. That's my fucking rose. That's good. No, that's great. Baby.

Yeah, let's just keep this self-indulgent train going. Yes. I've got two more. First one comes from, I'm going to do this one. This comes from A-Z-K-R-A-F. I don't think that's a word, Az-Craft. As graph. Arizona.

Craft. Craft. Sure. It was a review on Apple podcast saying, I'm new to Baravros, but I love the energy and the tax reminders. Keep it going. Dude.

Unfortunately, I can't keep reminding you about taxes because, well, actually, I guess I could. One last chance. Tomorrow is the deadline. No,

listen to it in the morning. Why? I don't know why, but on Friday. The 18th is the deadline. Government taking weekends off. Damn it. Whatever.

That was great because we said that nobody was going to care. We got multiple messages saying thank you for the tax reminder. So you're welcome. A lot of people did actually reach out and say thanks for the tax reminder. You are welcome. My second one comes from TikTok. It's from Runaround Sue 73.

100%. I wish Joe would listen to what you are saying about our conversation about what Joe could do to just win by pointing everything at Louis, which brings me to my next. Oh, you're going to say it. I do it. After that video, we got a DM from one millennium. Alyssa Gorga. We sure did.

Agreeing with it and saying that she needs to train Joe better. And five minutes later, Joey Gorga followed us. So look, we, people call us tree stands. And maybe they don't as much anymore, but they did early in the Jersey season. We are not tree stands. We just laid out a nice, easy plan for Joe to win. Yep. Didn't trash them.

Didn't do anything. Made a little bit of a jest talking about Pizza Gate Part 2, brother, which I just wanted to do again. But that just shows everything. Like we've ripped them apart. We've ripped Teresa apart. We've ripped Louis apart. And they're able to come in.

So you know what? That's a little plus in my book for the Gorgas. That's a big W for us, a little W for the Gorgs. But that takes us on to the news. And there's obviously one major thing we're going to discuss. I'll save that for the last. But up first, a franchise that we really enjoyed a franchise that we've actually talked to multiple of the cast members multiple times, one of whom has been a,

listener of ours for before the show even aired, which was really cool to figure out Soho Southern Hospitality is coming back for a season two. How do you feel about that? It shows that Bravo's actually one, listening to us and two, differentiating

from the Housewife franchise, because this has got to be taking up a slot when they could be throwing out Rony Legacy or Ultimate Girls Trip X-wives Club two or whatever fucking blow deck that they want to do down under in South America

I would watch that I would watch that too I think I would watch that That would be pretty good Yeah I'll put that in the bank for later But no I really enjoy the show

It shows that they're Trying to reach a younger audience Which is what they need to do And they're listening to us So big plus for Bravo Yeah big plus I like that they're listening to the audience a little bit And kind of learning that we don't just want

Housewives all the time We don't just want drama all the time We want some of the younger generation to come in and just give us kind of a fresh take on stuff. So I'm stoked. We are still planning on going down there at some point. I actually talked to Joe Bradley the other day and also Will Culp. Yeah, didn't they get in trouble?

Because they were posting. They reposted when we posted the, we posted congrats to the cast of Southern Hospitality. I tagged a bunch of them and I think two of them reposted it. And then Bravo got mad because they hadn't announced it yet, so they had to take it down. But, um... Bravo can get mad at us. Yeah, get mad at us. Don't worry about them.

Leave them out of it. They're just kids. Leave the kids out of this. All right. Brof bro's rule number one. Leave the kids alone. Come after us. We can handle it.

Yeah. Unless it's legal fees. Then maybe. No, no. Then that's not us. That's not us. But we are planning and going down. So we'll keep you posted on that.

Our second thing here is what's your take on this watch party with Jackson, Brittany? You can watch. I can't imagine anybody asked for that. Are they streaming? Like, is it live? It's so Peacock is doing it. And they're going to do pretty much like any other watch party.

They're going to have cameras in, I guess, the living room with Jackson, Brittany and friends is what I saw. Oh, they're going to have like. Who knows maybe Doty will pop. I don't know who would be in that room. I guarantee Doty's going to show up. That was the first one that came to my mind. I was like, all right, so she'll be in there. But I imagine it's just going to be like, you know, watching reactions of people on YouTube that are reacting to another reaction video.

It's just like too many layers. And also, Jackson and Brittany, like, aren't my favorite people. So I don't know who asked for this. Yeah. I don't know who's going to watch it. It's, I don't know. Well, Jackson and Brittany dropped their new podcast last week, and they were number one for a while. So they're really, two weeks ago, maybe.

Good for them, honestly. If they're milking it and it's working and then go for it. Well, they're all milking it. That's actually an interesting point that you're making is like every single member of that show is using this to their advantage on their socials, on their podcasts. Like any avenue that they have to make money and monetize, they're using Scandavall to do so, which points me further to what I've been saying all along. And when we get into Vanderpump, I'm only going to double, triple and quadruple down on this. They all stink.

They're all bad people. Yeah. No, they are. And I will take one thing away from this. I think it's good of Bravo because they have a lot of exclusivity on Peacock. So rather than like pumping this into the actual Bravo channel and making us watch this, they're making it an option. And it really is like, probably doesn't cost them anything to produce it. I can't call it.

They're streaming. Yeah, they're just streaming it. Yeah, they're just streaming it. So just throw it in there and see who wants to watch it and see what happens. It's honestly, it's sort of like a focus group to see if you want Jackson Brittany back. Oh, interesting. If people aren't tuning in because they don't want the commentary from Jackson Brittany, then maybe you don't bring them back next year in any capacity. But I think they're probably mulling that over.

I want to see it, honestly. I kind of want to see the first episode to see how they're doing. Let me know how that goes. I will. I'll do my due diligence. And if it's worth a watch, I'm going to make you watch it. But it could be good. It honestly could be good.

If Jacks is good for anything, he's good for, like, saying really shitty stuff. Yeah, but I think that they'll go overboard because as we saw an ex-wives club, they're thirsty for attention. I agree with that. But Jacks, here's the thing. Jacks has always been thirsty for attention. so his game's not going to change. He's always tried to be that guy on camera. He said to Tom Sandval,

you think you're the number one guy in this group. I'm the number one guy in this group. Yeah, but I'm thinking about watch what happens live with the two of them and he was like giddy that he was back. And I feel like this is going to be worse. That could be. I'll watch it and I'll let you know. We'll see if we have to dive in.

Okay. The last thing, this might take a minute and this is going to roll us right into Vanderpump. Unless you've been living under a rock, if you are a Bravo fan, saw that Howie Mandel interviewed Tom Sandoval. Howie Mandel has no connections to Bravo, doesn't know anything about Bravo, interviewed Tom Sandoval about all of this.

And for all intents and purposes, it was a terrible interview. He let it go whatever way Sandoval wanted it to go. Sandoval was pretty much sitting there saying that he's a victim. It's not really his fault. Ariana should have seen the writing on the wall, so on and so forth. look it was it was just bad you know what i mean like how he had no idea what was going on from his point of view it's a really bad job on him being a podcast or being a whatever creator by not understanding what he was getting himself into he didn't he literally said

who's sheena yeah you need to know what's going at least like do some like i understand like i've heard interviews in the past where people didn't really know who they were interviewing they just kind of got passed around from show to show in their network. And they still did, like, at least the bare minimum. Like, if you're friends, supposedly he's friends with Tom. That's the connection, I guess, yeah. Maybe when Tom's name is in the news, you'll be like, oh, shit, what's going on and then read into it a little bit?

Like, it just seems like he was, he's been living under a rock. Like, you said to start off the segment, maybe he was living under a rock and he was just like, oh, yeah, Tom, come on my show. It was so tone deaf in the beginning. He was talking about cardigans versus. sweaters he was posting tom's tour dates for his stupid cover band it was so bad and then they finally got into it and we didn't really get anything we just got tom talking his ass off yeah blaming ariana blaming the relationship saying that he tried to get out and victimizing himself the entire time

instead of actually getting answers now i mean we're going to get answers during the reunion we're going to get answers during the last couple of episodes so let's just err on that this was just a really bad showing by everybody involved i agree and i i want to talk about some specific And the first thing I want to talk about is Tom says that he tried on multiple occasions to break up with her. He said that they were actually legitimately broken up on Valentine's Day as the day he decided to do that. I also don't believe that that's true. And he said hypothetically they broke up prior to that. And he is implying that he gave so many signs that he figured the writing was so much on the wall that

Ariana should have known that they were done. You should have known that this was over. Like what the fuck does that even mean? not like them living together and going to parties and stuff together. They've been dating for nine fucking years. You're not telling anybody else. And look, like, Schwartz is probably going to come out in the next week or two and tell everybody like, oh, yeah, Tom did tell me that he tried to break up with her and it really

wasn't working. So as far as we understood, they were separated or whatever. Like, Schwartz is going to back them up, but it's going to be bullshit. But he was trying to get on this whole thing about how they've been living separate lives and they would text each other from within their own house. And if you watched our live last night, we kind of dug into all this. But he was on the road with his stupid-ass band going all over the place. He didn't even have time for his own restaurant, which is so funny because it looks

like next week's episode, he gets mad at the manager because the restaurant's not going to open. Dude, you haven't been around. Schwartz isn't smart enough to do this himself and nobody else is helping. You drop the ball on all of this and you're just blaming everybody else but yourself. Like that is just kind of who Sandoval is now. Yeah. He's just going to blame everybody but himself.

Not once during this interview. did he take ownership for what he did in the relationship to Ariana? He didn't. He actually sidestepped. He never even apologized to her, too. He still hasn't apologized to her. He never said sorry in that one half-ass apology that he wrote. It alluded to him the entire time.

It was about him. Here we have him talking only about him. And he says that he was worried that when he told her like this, it wasn't working, I don't want this or blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, well, that I'm quitting the show. I'm not going to the reunion. and my life is basically over. What he's implying is that she's going to do self-harm.

And here's the thing. I'm not here to say whether or not that's true. I'm not here to comment on that aspect of it. Regardless of the truth in that, how the fuck are you going to go out and air out this woman that you've been dating for nine years, have a house with, built a life with, built the business with,

and throw her under the bus with that kind of allegation. Like, that is heavy shit. That's stuff that she's probably, like, she's been pretty open about the fact that she's had some issues with her depression and things like that. For you to then use that as ammo against her is atrocious. And to say it on the fucking Howie Mandelcia, I'm looking at this bald dude with fucking circle glasses.

As you sit there and say, she's going to self-harm if you break up with her. Like, this is not the time or place. You need to go on this fucking show and apologize, dude. Say, I fucked up. What I should have done from the jump is break up with her. Say, this is not working anymore and break up and then go do your business. Is it still gross?

Dude, it's fucked up. Go for anybody else, not Raquel. But for you to sit there and take any other approach other than I'm sorry, I'm a piece of shit. I'm working on it is the wrong fucking answer. Yeah. And honestly, look, you're going to lose. You've lost everybody. Nobody's on your side.

You might be able to get some sympathy if you owns up to your actions, apologized first. And then when people ask you pointed questions, then you might be able to allude to the fact that the relationship was pretty much dead. and there was nothing you can do when you were in an impossible spot. If you went around that way, which look, like he, we give him a lot of credit for being maniacal and having all these strategies in place, whether he's using Schwartz as a pawn or his actions are, you know, try to put a smoke screen out there so that nobody knows what he's actually doing or what he's actually thinking. We give him a lot of credit for being smart like that.

This was really dumb. This was really dumb. And I honestly, I don't even, I mean, I blame Sandoval obviously, but I blame Howie Mandel for this because he didn't ask. him more questions and he didn't try to make Tom apologize he made him feel super comfortable he said to him joking around with him and then he did the fucking the shaving of the mustache at the end it was so weird he shaved the mustache he empathized with him he said i actually appreciate you coming on here and being vulnerable blah blah blah he's not being vulnerable

he's putting up a smoke screen so that we can't see past it so that he might garner some kind of sympathy from the audience and the listeners but no one's giving him sympathy and that's why like thank God that not one person came to his defense or at least like from the post that I saw everybody was just trashing him again just apologize finally do a heartfelt apology on a podcast people won't even care that it's the Howie Mandel Shell anymore no because they'll just focus in on you apologizing finally and then explaining a little bit of how you felt and if you truly were which like I'm I'm giving him I don't want to give him any grace but if you truly were in an impossible. situation. Some people might be able to see that and be like, that sucks. Did you hook up with somebody really close to her? Yes, that's completely wrong. But you might be able to find some sympathy somewhere. And everything that happened, he's not getting shit. And he's not going to get anything from the reunion either. He's not going to. And I don't know who his PR team is. They need to fire them immediately. Bravo's pissed at him. Bravo's livid. And to anyone thinking

that Sandoval is going to get fired or get any kind of like major repercussions from this, you're wrong. because, and we said it on the live, but Bravo is thrilled that this all happened. They could give a shit about, like, who got hurt during this. All they're looking at is the fact that Vanderpump ratings have never been higher. Yeah. They're stoked. Scandival just bought them three more seasons easily. So if you think he's going anywhere or Raquel's going anywhere, they're not.

They're going to milk this shit for the next two seasons, I bet. No, and I honestly, I was thinking about this before because it does come into play that you have to worry about Ariana from a exposure standpoint. Like, if Bravo was just running with this and Bravo leaked all of this,

then you might have to look at him and be like, oh shit, like maybe we do have to like protect her a little bit because it is getting to be a media circus. Obviously we don't care about Sandoval.

Go ahead, swarm him, paparazzi. It sounds like they called a paparazzi on themselves, him and Raquel. But you got to worry about Ariana. And I mean, CNN picked up the story.

Like so many people picked up the story. So, is just doing their job at this point. They don't really have to feel sorry for anybody. They're stoked that this is working. It seems like Ariana's coming back next year. She's probably going to get a little bit of a longer contract. We're going to get a little bit more from her.

And it's going to be great. And they can't be happier. But as we discussed last night, I just hope they don't milk it for too long. Like if we're two years down the line and we're still talking about this, VPR is going to be dead. Yeah, but I think they're obviously going to reference it for a long time. Hopefully they have other avenues to go down, which I think they do. that's the one thing about Vanderpump

and I think that's why they've been waiting for this kind of perfect storm because the characters on the show are captivating. I think they've kind of gotten lost in the sauce in the past couple of years but this is a good reminder when all this shit's popping off and you're watching the season play out like

they're captivating. It is a captivating cast including the people we don't like even if we don't like them they're good for television. There's no denying that. So let's roll right into it and we're back at the pool, we're like in the, during the makeout, kind of post makeout scene or whatever.

I have a proposal for you. I do. Beautiful. I have to move past it. Why don't we go through this episode? Okay. Acting like we don't know about the Santa Val thing. Because this is, I was watching the episode and I was having a hard time.

Obviously, Schwartz, it was a really bad, bad, bad episode for him. but still I found myself thinking about Sandoval. Yeah, that's fair. But, okay, I agree with that. But we do, so we're going to speak about it from the standpoint that we don't know about Scandival. Yes. Okay. Because Tom wasn't really in this episode at all.

No, but that's why in the moments where there are things to kind of focus on with that, we're going to take a side step and address that. But then we're going to, so the point of view is that we don't know about Scandival. I like that. Just because over the next couple of weeks, it looks like we're. starting to get into it. Yeah, I think we're about to. So as we get into it, that's all we're going to talk about.

And I think, like, the editing process, there really isn't anything there for them to do, even though we know that they supposedly snuck away and hooked up while they were in Mexico as well. That's what people are saying, yeah. But there's no evidence of that happening anywhere. Can he say that when, no, no, he said that on Howie Mandel. He did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Mexico's confirmed because they hooked up before Mexico, then they may have had a thing down in Mexico. They had a magnetic kiss in my backyard. It was so fucking magnetic. And next week, it looks like we're home, so we're not going to get anything from that. So that's what I'm saying. Like, we've got like one or two weeks left of this. Let's focus on what the storyline should be right now.

Okay. And see how we feel about it because I don't want to give, I don't want to take away from how shitty Schwartz was this episode. We're not going to. By deviating to Sandoval, who wasn't really in the episode. You know what I mean? All right. I like this. I like this.

Exercise. All right. All right, let me just get in the zone. Get in there. You hear that v. That's me getting in them. I'm zoned in, baby. All right.

So let's start it off. We're back at the pool. We're in a different mindset. We're back at the pool. Schwartz and Raquel just make out in front of the entire party. Yep. The whole party. So regardless of if you think that you should have free reign to do what you want,

regardless of whether or not you're over your divorce with Katie, this is a terrible, terrible look. It's a terrible fucking idea. And then to double down and kind of go off with her and hide to make out some more and say don't tell anybody motherfucker you're on camera what do you think that big thing that guy's holding in front of you is

who's not gonna know about this and that made me think that a couple weeks ago at Sandoval show that they were going shorts would have hooked up with her yeah camera wasn't there because if you could see him make eye contact with the camera and then he like quick he was like oh no but now he's drunk in Mexico

and he's like let's go over here where there's no cameras like cameras will follow bro we get a quick cut scene and here's one thing one thing I want to point out And this is sidestep to Sandoval. So while she goes to a confessional with Rachel and she's sitting there saying, I could see this going somewhere.

Like I have feelings for him. Like, oh my God. That is a confirmed lie because we know for a fact she is now involved with Sandoval at this point. Okay. Now, maybe it's not heating up yet. No way.

If we're to take them at face value, they've only hooked up once. But to take them at face value, that first kiss was like explosive. It was like a Disney movie at the end of the movie. According to Sandowell said anything about it. No, no, no, we haven't heard from her yet. Maybe she'll go on like the Howie Mandel podcast or something.

Or who would be a better one for her? Randy Jackson. Randy Jackson. Randy Jackson. Go on Randy Jackson's podcast. Rachel. Paula, do they have podcasts? I don't think so. But I'm just going from America's Got Talent to.

American Night. Oh, you're picking judges. I like that. Okay, yeah. If they have a podcast, go on there. But she calls Lala, and I'm going to roast Lauren this episode because I thought she was awful. And she calls Lala and says, first, where were you?

What happened? And she gives her the most, like, it was such a dick answer. She's like, I went to dinner. I went back to the room. Like, matter of fact. Like, what do you think I'm doing? Yep. There was a party of 200 people, 200 people.

Of which you wore a white dress for, by the way. Correct. You were dressed for that party. So you can't sidestep it to go to dinner with your buddies in Mexico. We're not invited. They got uninvited. actually. So, like, you're there for that. It's a destination wedding. I understand you're going to sidestep some things and go do your own thing. It's a vacation kind of as well. I appreciate

that. But when you sit there and you say, I can go to the big shit, Sheena. I can't do the intimate stuff because I don't want to be near her, but I can go to the big shit for you. For you to not do that is, one, you're a liar. Two, you're fucking over your best friend, allegedly, because you want to hang out with Katie and Christina Kelly. You're there for Sheena. It is. It is. Sheena's day. It's Sheena's weekend. So suck it up and go to the fucking thing. Raquel's going to be on the other side of the party. You don't have to seek her out. Just do your own thing and shut the hell up. Support your friend. You don't come out here looking like you did the right thing by hanging out with Katie. And for anybody that voted on that poll, like I'm on

Lala's side, that's dumb. This is rude. It's flat out rude. I don't care who it is. I don't care what you're doing. If you're in a destination spot for a wedding and you say to them, I will be there. I'll be at the big shit because I'm not going to the intimate shit, then fucking show up. Just show up for your friend because it makes you look like shit. Sheena is supposed to be happy. It's the happiest day of her life and they look happy. Her and Brock look great together. I was so stoked they got married genuinely. So Lauren, bite the bullet and go and don't, do not, do not take up an attitude with Sheena when she asks you where you were. Yeah. And that was like the worst thing that she could have asked her. Like, where were you when you're supposed to be at my

party maybe the second most important event of the weekend something that you got dressed up for and came down for and ended up just hanging out with your buddies 50 yards away watching them do that like you could have just done what james did james went hung out for a little bit james and alley were there and then they came back like obviously you are still friends with katie that's going to be a sticking point when it comes to your friendship with sheena but if you're able to spread those two lines and go there and be there with sheena for her big moment and then you can go hang out with your friends afterwards. No one's going to do anything.

Like, will Sheena still be upset? Maybe. If she calls you later and says, oh, you know, we went to the bar afterwards. Where'd you go? And you said,

well, I went back to my room and Katie and Christina came over. That's fine. If Sheena gave you an attitude then, then you can be like, look, Sheena, like, I told you that I'm doing this. I went to the boat,

even though I told you had an issue with the boat. I went to the party. I was fine at the party. I went and hung out with them. Like, I didn't feel like going to the bar afterwards. If Sheena gives you an attitude,

then you are in the right. No, you can't do that and you can't get an attitude with someone who you claim is now one of your best friends. It just doesn't make any sense. And I love this was completely organic that Lauren has her on the phone, on speakerphone. And Sheena just goes, well, you know, whatever. Did you see the Schwartz and Raquel hooked up? I know.

Heart drop for Katie. That sucks. Yeah, dude, I felt for her. Yeah. No, that was definitely brutal. And you could see James was even like losing a. his mind a little bit like both of them in the room hearing that was pure gold well that's the funny thing we forget that james is just as much a party to this as katy he's just not taking it

as hard because he started dating somebody two weeks after they oh katy's dating a 28 year old weird looking dude i know we get to see him next week by the way is he did they get him in mexico or are they back in l. they got to be back in l. okay all right got to be back in lye because the wedding's over so they fly back god i hope so could you imagine that guy was in mexico the whole time i would of like that more than just seeing like Christina Kelly and Katie like pal around but but then Katie gets up and leaves and goes back to a room and like I genuinely I felt horrible for her and this was actually a good reminder for me because like people were saying oh what are you on sheena's side when I posted the poll thing no not necessarily at all I'm on china's side with

la la being an asshole but as far as like being mean Brock goes on the phone and goes people just want to see schwartz happy all right man but what about Katie but I don't think that she Obviously, Sheena and Schwartz didn't know that she was on, that they were on speakerphone with Katie sitting right there. So he was just, but he's being candid there. But that's my point. Like, that means that that was a genuine thought and genuine feeling. Like, we just want to see Schwartz happy. I think that just solidifies what Katie has already said and it makes it so much more true.

And hearing it out loud is tough. She knows that all of these people around her that are on this show, all these friends are taking Schwartz aside. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. Certainly not anymore. But in that moment, they are absolutely. absolutely rooting for Schwartz. They want him to be happy. Obviously, Brock marrying Sheena is not going to take Katie's side, but they still want Schwartz to be happy.

And I think that everybody wants Schwartz to be happy. And I do feel for Katie because she's, you know, friendly with most of them, friends with some of them. And nobody's even checking in on her except for Christina Kelly and Lala. That sucks for Katie. But I do want to just, you know, reiterate like that fucking sucked for Katie. I know I've said some things that I don't particularly like Katie, but nobody deserves that shit. That was brutal. But the next thing I want to talk about is the counterpoint. Like I just mentioned, Schwartz finally wakes up the next day after making out with Rachel

and goes down to the pool and it's James and Alley. And he goes up to them like nothing happened, which is hysterical. Does he, and I don't think he does. Like, do you not get that James was engaged to this woman? James didn't call it off either. Rachel did. And he's clearly still hung up on. You're going to sit down.

and James immediately asks him, he goes, I didn't do that. He denies it. And then he says, yeah. And then he's like, James, be cool, dude. Like, come on, man. He's trying to, like, rationalize with James

because James starts to get an attitude when he puts his hand on his knee. Like, don't put, don't put you in that moment. And I've been trying to look at Schwartz a little differently after us talking last week, trying to give him a little more credit, thinking that maybe he is being smart and just kind of playing it off

and playing up his dumb characteristics to get away with shit. And I could see that right then and there. he did the whole like careless no no I don't think I did that oh yeah maybe maybe I did like made it a joke didn't defuse the situation James still pissed off puts his hand on his knee James is still pissed off but then by the end of it Schwartz said something to James about Raquel and made a joke about it and James left so it fucking worked by the end of it like he has a way of diffusing situations by being dumb and goofy that he thinks that I think you're right and I think Devin's right because she's the one who said it last week,

that he is so dumb and goofy that he knows that he can get away with this shit, and now he's just using it to his advantage, whether he knows it or not, whether he's strategically doing this, or he's just done this his whole life. So now he knows that it works and people can't be mad at them.

And we see it later, like he tries to do it again with Katie after he's burned her. Well, then we see it more so. I think that was more evidence that this is more calculated than we think because he starts to escalate. She's not calming down.

And then he gets pissed. I think that if you watch, we've seen that happen countless times when he poured a drink on Katie. Yeah. Because that happened. Yeah. You see it escalate like he tries to diffuse. Then he gets mad when it doesn't work and then he lashes out.

And I think that that's his move. And I think that that is clearly questionable behavior, but that's inherent in who he is. That's that that is Tom Schwartz. For sure. So he is calculated. He's manipulative and he's playing that little, once again, that stupid puppy dog shit. And this is glaring evidence. But we move on from that and we get a scene.

Sheena finally sits down with Lala and they're kind of going over Sheena's feelings about the night before. She's saying, you know, I really wanted you there. It hurt my feelings that you weren't there. And Lala goes on this tirade about how she's not in a place to be around people like Rachel. Meanwhile, she said she wasn't going to the party before Rachel made out with Schwartz. Yes. Okay.

So she has no ammo other than... They didn't know that Rachel made... Like, they were sitting 50 yards away and had no idea until they got back to Lala's room. And got the phone call. Right. So your qualm with her is that she posited the idea that she wanted to do it. You're telling me that you can't show up for your friend and suck it up and go to this party. Once again, with 200 plus people, you're not going to see her as going to mean the world to your friend if you're there.

Pop in for 20 or 30. Pop out. I don't think that would be an issue either. Just show face. Act like you give a shit. And then she says one of the worst things I've ever heard somebody say to a bride in my life. This is not the most important thing in everyone else's life. this is only important to you.

What are you doing? It's like, I'm here on vacation. I don't care about you. I just happen to be going to your wedding. Yeah, everyone else has shit going on, Sheena. Don't be so selfish. I think that she's mistaking. Like, Sheena's trying to be inclusive.

She's trying to show, look, you're one of my closest friends. Like, we've grown a lot in the past couple of years. Like, we feel better. Like, they had that whole moment with Brock, Sheena and Lala at the restaurant before they left from Mexico where Lala apologized to Brock and Brock apologized to Lala. And they all got along. They were crying with each other. They were all crying together.

Like, they had a great moment. And Sheena said, okay, like, you're one of my closer friends. I want you to be a part of this. I'm inviting you to enjoy this experience with me. And Lala is sitting there like, no, you're pushing me to get out of my comfort zone and go to these things. And then you're mad at me when I don't go to these things. It's like, well, no, she just wants you there. So I don't understand.

Like, if I'm Sheena, I feel betrayed. And maybe I exclude Lauren. in the future from things. Because if she's showing that she doesn't want to go to the things that are important to you and she has the audacity to say something like that to you

on your wedding weekend, then don't invite her to anything else moving forward. The day before the wedding. And you know what? Like this is where I don't understand like Bravo people are just not normal people. If this was anyone else like that you're loosely friends

with trying to build a relationship with and something like this happens, you do not invite them to anything moving forward. And then if they reach out to you and say well, I saw that everybody was going there. Like why wasn't I invited? you tell them why they weren't invited. Yeah.

You wait for them to reach out and say, look, like, I know I behave shittily. That's a word. That's a word. I will try to be better. You know, I'll come over and we can talk about it. Then you show who your true colors or what your true colors are. Lauren is showing her true colors and they are brown and green. Brown and green.

Okay. That's gross. But I know, I got it. And baby poop. Yeah, no, I got it. Thank you so much for laying that out. Many peas. Oh, my God.

Pound it out. Thanks. Yeah, the whole scene really pissed me off. And then she started like crying because she was so triggered by the whole situation. And again, like, don't sit there at a lunch where you and Brock share a very touching moment and say, I'm there for you, girl. I'm going to go to these things. I'm going to do the big things because I know I need to be there and you want me there. And I appreciate it.

Intimate stuff. I'm out. But I'm going to do the big stuff. And then bounce on the big stuff. And then she's like, are you coming to dinner? She's like, nah, not going to dinner either. And that's when we get the split scene of the. dinners, but that's the funniest fucking part.

They were done dinner by the time Lala went to dinner. Yep. You could have done both. Again, you're just being a shitty friend. The other thing, if she went to that dinner, there were multiple habachi tables for the entire party that was going.

So you could have sat elsewhere. You could have grabbed one of the other girls. I'm like, hey, can you sit with me over here? I don't want to be at that table. But hey, Sheena, look, I'm here. I'm here. I'm across the room. I showed up for you. I know I wasn't there last night, but I'm here. She went to the way. party the night before she may not have gone to that dinner then that's not important and that's also more intimate then you would have held your word you would have held onto your word which is

important to people and friendships don't lie and that's when people are saying oh man you guys it's a man stance no she said i'll be there and she wasn't fucking there that's rude period yeah but ooh we're just getting started baby man stance man stance but at the dinner we get james going off on Raquel and dude you need to stop because he's like you know who else you're going to hook up with your P and then you hooked up with Schwartz and blah blah blah but this is when I figured out something about Ali Ali just wants to be on the show why do you say that because who else would put up with this much shit and she's good enough to get up from the table and walk away and she just says I'm bored because I'm bored with the situation that means that she's

getting emotional about it. She doesn't seem to have an attitude about it. I'm pretty sure that 90% of anybody in a relationship, whether it's a guy or a girl, if they were talking about their ex constantly, anybody would be like, fuck this, I'm done. Or like, dude, knock it off. There would be a much sterner conversation. Instead, she's just kind of brushing it off. And that leads me to believe she just wants to be on the show. The show does have a track record with people jumping on the show because they want to be on the show. Yes, it does. They will eat shit for an entire year if they have to just to remain on the show. Now, I mean, do you think that Allie has had a strong enough showing to be invited back

if she's not James's girlfriend? Probably not. Unless they have some tumultuous breakup where she shows some sort of like fierce behavior towards him and maybe pulls in some of the other people on the cast. Aside from that, I can't imagine they would want her back if they break up in the offseason. I see her wheeling and dealing though, because she gets up and where does she go? I think you're right. No, I definitely think you're right.

I just don't think that she's done enough on her own. I think she has promise. I think that I've enjoyed her, actually. I think that her one-liners are funny. If she stayed away from the astrology shit, we'd be golden. She has. She has since then. I just mean she needs to continue to do that.

She's no gathering at Summer House. Oh, dude, we'll get there. But after the dinner, and this was an extra long episode of Vanderbump, too. Yeah, it was. That's when we get, I got to talk about it. I'm so sorry. We get a mention of shooters. favorite the Don.

The Don's back. And then we get a clip of my favorite scene, him talking dirty again. No, it's another scene of him talking dirty. Same scene, different clip. Yeah, no. This time we're talking about honeycombs, not pizza. I've heard the honey.

Oh, and it's sticky. Oh, we know. We saw the whole first thing. The whole first thing when they were in wherever the fuck they were, Manassas Havasu. Manassas Havasu. Yeah.

Manavisu. Manavisu. We saw the whole thing. It was disgusting. I kind of wiped it from my memory, but they keep bringing it back in little portions. I hate it. Do they think it's sexy? Yes.

Why? He's not good at dirty talk. I don't know, but why is everybody else calling him the Don? I don't know. I put it out, I said something on Twitter. I said, I know this is a big VPR time. I'm having a hard time with it because all I keep thinking about is why everybody calls him the Don. I get stuck on it too, and it's your fault. I get stuck on. I'd be able to brush it off. You definitely would have noticed it by now. I would have, but I probably, what's going on?

You're holding on to it more than I would have. It's ridiculous. I agree. It's ridiculous. Somebody said it was a pet name, and I said, please, I asked for you to explain it in a way that wouldn't piss me off. Couldn't even give me that. I just wanted to drop the name because I knew it gets riled up. But I'm going to get Sheena. Sheena and Brock have been married for almost a year, which I loved finding that out.

That means that all the stuff that we've seen with them interacting and everything has been them as a married couple. Yes. Look, say what you want about Sheena. Say what you want about Brock. they seem to have a loving marriage. I think so, too. They seem to be very attentive parents to summer. Again, I cannot get on Team Brock

until I know what the fuck's going on with his kids back home. I just can't condone it until I get more information. But from what we're getting from them right now, I do appreciate their relationship. They seem to actually like each other, which nobody else in this show seems to.

So it's refreshing, but it's wedding time. Here comes the bride. Sheener is getting married to Brock, and it is objectively a gorgeous wedding. Yeah. And I really appreciated because we get, you know, Christina Kelly and Katie come out to the porch. And Christina clearly wants to, I think she's mad. She's not there.

I think so, too. And we can tell because she had to sit down with Sheena. She's been trying to kind of dumb it down. Like she hasn't really been talking shit. Like Katie's been talking a lot of shit and that's okay because it's mostly about Schwartz now. Yeah. But even when they're sitting there talking about the wedding, Katie's the one who says, I don't want to be there and I don't want to look at it because of whose wedding it is.

Christina Kelly says, well, I love weddings. Like I just, out of curiosity, I just want to see like where she's walking from, what she looks like. Like, no, it looks like Christina Kelly wishes that she was there. I think she wishes that. But I do think that it was nice that Katie could go out there and say, it looks beautiful. Yeah. She looks beautiful.

Yeah, they didn't shit talking. Because they led us to believe before the Mexico trip when we were having a discussion about whether or not Katie and Christina should even go, that it looked like they were sitting up in the balcony talking shit. Yeah, they were not. And they were not. And I was good at that. I am too.

I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they didn't make that worse. Yeah, no, it's come full circle where we were mad about it to begin with. And now I'm okay with it. Yeah, I'm okay with it too. But during the wedding ceremony and everything, I thought it was really funny that the guy that led the wedding, one, and this is a second time doing a Sheena Shea wedding. And two, he leads it off with a second chance at love.

Yeah. It's like, is that supposed to be endearing. It would have been funny. If he said, welcome back, everybody. Now, man, he missed it. an opportunity. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah. You've been saving that? Yeah, okay. Never mind. But there's only a couple things I want to talk about here. Lala's

questions to James. Lala just wants to fuck James. Lala Kennedy, see? I can't even help it. Look at that. Lala just wants James back. Because why would you ask James? First of all, why would you blow up his spot and say, yeah, he was asking me like a week ago if he could get engaged to you? And I was like, what the fuck? And Allie's standing right there. I was like, whoa, that's messed up. And then she doubles. down and goes, what are you thinking? Palm Springs? Because that's where he proposed to Raquel. What are you doing? Obviously, he's not thinking of proposing to his second fiancé in the same exact spot as his first fiance. And James gets visibly like, what are we doing? What are you doing?

It's tough to see James do that because I feel like he is, I don't think he's prepared for every instance, but when things happen, his reaction always seems so genuine and he never really seems like he's getting crossed up. Yes, he says crazy shit. Yes, he will bounce off the walls and not make any sense, but he's always, he always seems like he's not caught off guard. He always fires back, yes. Yeah. And this time he was completely caught off guard and had, he's like, uh, no, obviously it's a different thing. I wouldn't do the same thing as I did last time. I'm over that. I'm past that. It's a different person. It was a weird, genuine response from James. That was not insulting. But at the same time, like, Laram, what are you doing?

It was baffling. It made no sense. It does make sense, though, because she wants to bang James. Yeah, I think. Or is she just jealous. Maybe she's just jealous that. he's happy or like okay maybe seems happy or is it that she doesn't necessarily want to point him but she doesn't want anybody else to point him I think that's also is that also tying in I like that all of the above we have the dinner

Christina Kelly and Katie are having sushi Schwartz stumbles his way in and he's trying to clear the air strike one he eats their food he sits down and eats a piece of their sushi trying to diffuse the situation with some weird comedy you need to

I understand when you walk, first of all, don't go in there. Stay at the wedding. You're not going to bridge this gap, but I'm going to finish this segment with a very, very controversial take. Okay? Just a heads up to you and to our listeners. It's going to be a hot take. And I don't know how it's going to go, but we're going to roll with it.

But anyway, you can't come into this situation trying to diffuse it. You can't come in. You need to, once again, both Tom's apologize if you're going to do anything. Don't go in there, but if you're going to walk in and say, Katie, I am mortified. That was disrespectful. It threw everything that we were working on out the window, which they probably shouldn't have been working on anything anyway because they're divorced, but whatever. I am at your feet.

Please, can we have a relationship moving past this? At some point, at your leisure. Instead, he tries to diffuse it and minimize it. Yeah. Oh, are you still mad, I think is what his first line was? I don't, I want to clear the air. I don't want there to be weird tension is what he said. yeah and yeah and then i think he followed up with oh my god you're really still mad like just trying

to gaslight her into it and this is when we see that's exactly when we see who schwartz really is in this moment at that habachi restaurant because his little antics don't work and he he instantly gets mad he instantly starts poking her and trying to get her to react so that he doesn't look like the bad guy you know what you need katie you need some humility you need humility bitch what are you talking about schwartz you need some fucking humility you just made out with a person in the group at the wedding in front of everybody while Katie's there and both

you and Rachel have sat down with this woman and said to her, nothing's going to happen. We're not into it. Rachel, I was into it, but it's not going to work. Schwartz isn't into it. And then you fucking do it. You cannot then hope that this situation gets better. And he just fucking sits there in gas lights and gaslights and gas

lights and it's hard to watch, but it's great to see. And here's my controversial take. Okay. Them making out him and Rachel, was the best thing for Schwartz and Katie as individuals. That's not that hot of a take. Because Schwartz was able to move on. I don't care if he does or does not.

He even said that. Yeah, he said, like, I finally feel divorced. Right. And Katie says something similar. She's able to actually heal. Oh, man, you disappoint me. How was that disappointing? I thought it was going to be like way more hot.

I thought you were going to take Schwartz's side or something at the end. No, no, no, no, no. Don't even like say that over the air. Someone's going to, like, dub this. That would have been a hot take. A hot take is the fact that I'm glad that they made out. that's not a hot take only be only hold on hold on at base level yeah if you just say that but the reasoning is pretty sound because they can move on katy's able to move on and see this man

for what he is he's a piece of shit katy and look i don't care about anybody's feelings towards katy you don't deserve that you don't deserve to have him slight you like that disrespect you and all of your years together like that and then come out unscathed with people cheering about him. That has to really fucking hurt. Oh, no, definitely hurts. Katie, go out there and bang, weird-looking 28-year-olds. I'll try to not talk so much shit, because I really felt for you this episode. Unless that guy

says something crazy next week. We'll try to leave them out. We'll do our best. We'll give you some grace. We'll give you some grace, because that was brutal. We're almost done. This is crazy. This is taking like a half hour for one fucking show. It's like a whole VPR episode. I know. This is going to be called VPR episode. Yep.

But we finish it with Rachel and Lauren at the wedding. And this conversation did not need to happen. Nobody needed to talk to one another. They could have just let it alone. There's not going to be any agreement here. But once again, Lala, aka Lauren, did something that I thought was impossible in this scenario.

She comes out looking bad because she goes in there and they're talking about the Havasu trip. And Rachel says that she felt like she was ganged up on. She was attacked. She was judged. Which she was, all three. All of them. heard there. She sat there at the door and listened to them, talk shit about her. And surprisingly, Bravo did not do her dirty. They showed the instances in which she was correct. Yeah, and they could

have done her dirty, but they didn't. But Lala does one of the things that, like, oh, it really gets under my skin is when they're like, you just don't remember. You don't remember, but like you were unhinged. You were unclued. You were all over the place. And she's like, no, you guys were judging. She was also saying, well, it was Vegas and you were with your friends. Like, of course you were having fun. And of course you got drunk. Of course you did this. And we had a nice moment in the car. It's like, if you remember correctly, you ripped her apart that night when you quote unquote say that she was in Vegas and it was okay. You ripped her apart immediately after the car ride in which she had a real mental breakdown. Yep, probably because

she was hooking up with Sandoval. We're allowed to sidetrack there. Come back. You ripped her apart immediately afterwards after watching her have a really vulnerable moment when she's probably still a little fragile. For you to turn around now and say, we had a really touching moment. Of course you're allowed to do that. And then also gaslight her in the same situation. makes no sense. Literally everything she was doing was trying to incite some kind of reaction out of Rachel. She was trying to get her to escalate the situation by saying that everything that you're

saying to me, Rachel, is wrong. You just don't remember because you were too fucked up and it was embarrassing, but you're allowed to do that because it's in Vegas. But by the way, it was embarrassing. But you just don't know. We weren't judgy at all. That was the judgiest shit I've ever seen. That was the mean girl shit that we, that's what we've been talking about all season.

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I think it was also on Instagram for a while, but Carl is going to propose to Lindsay at the end of the summer. What I loved about this scene was that Kyle was just happy for him. Yeah. Kyle just said, congrats, man. That's awesome. I'm happy for you. Yeah. No, and you can see that they're in a much better place. And I imagine that both the conversation that Kyle and Carl had, as well as the conversation that Amanda and Lindsay had, as painful as it was, has gotten the whole group kind of on the same page, if you will, and you can tell when Carl is inviting other people over to their apartment because they really haven't had anybody over and they want to have a little bit of a housewarming. Kyle's already invited. He's now inviting, I guess, Chris and Sierra and

pretty much else that's in the city. So you can see that everybody's in a much better place and we are moving past it and focusing on other things, which is what every show needs. But this Danielle Lindsay thing has been brewing for weeks and it finally hit ahead and it's going to be an all-out war for the rest of the season, it seems like. Do you just want to jump right to do that? I think so because the rest of the episode was rather pleasant. I mean, even the conversation between Page and Craig, Craig is so much better now. When he doesn't have Austin, we don't have to talk about it every time. Craig is just great when he's not a mainstay, when he is a friend of, if you will.

That's when we fell in love with Craig and Page was Summer House last year. Remember? Like, we get the power rankings. We did. We did the power rankings, but we get a little bit of an insight into how it's going. And you can tell that it's pressing more on Craig than Page. And maybe they are just processing differently. But Craig is sitting there like, you know, I live in Charleston.

I haven't really talked about it, but I do want to move forward. And Paige is like, I don't know, like, I don't want to get engaged right now. Are you going to propose to me like next week? She did say, if you asked me today with a haystring, I would say, yeah, which I appreciated. I appreciated that, but she, you know, they haven't really thought about it. So they did it in a good way. They sat down together. They were both positive.

And it was just nice to see because we like to see good relationships move forward. And it seems like that one is moving forward. We get to see Lindsay and Carl are moving forward and we find out that they do get engaged by the end of the summer. So all of that is great. The only non-great thing is Lindsay and Danielle. Yeah, and it starts to kind of brew. We get Luke is back.

And here's the funny thing. And maybe I got to start being a little bit more gentle. I don't know. But I haven't been a Luke fan. You know that. When he came back, I was like, fuck yeah, Luke. I was like, oh, wow. I think that's just because the show's been a little lacking.

And we know we're a little nostalgic. So we see somebody like Luke pop in and it reminds us of like the fun times. Like last year, Kyle was screaming at Luke. He was going after him. I forgot about that. And Luke was right back at him. So that kind of reminded me of the fun times, even though that was a fight. That of the good times, him fighting with Kyle drunk.

Trying to start a fire and not working. Trying to build an igloo, stopping halfway, tapping trees. I haven't seen maple syrup yet. To his credit, I guess he owns a maple syrup company, so maybe I need to let off of that one. But I don't think I'm going to. I don't think he's tapping trees somewhere in Canada. You know what? Luke.

If you hear this, come on the show, because maybe I'm giving him the short end of the stick. Wow, look at me. I've come a long way. You'll change. Thanks. Thanks, Bravo. Thanks, Summerhouse. Let's get back on track.

So he's sitting there talking to Lindsay and she kind of has a chance that she has a confidant in Luke. She always has, probably always will. She sits down with him and talks about the Danielle situation, gives him like the whole rundown. The one point that Lindsay made that I think needs to be stressed the most to anybody that's on team Danielle here, and there seems to be quite a few. It seems like Danielle wants to hold her back so that she can continue to have a buddy. That's what she says to Luke. Yep.

I think that's been my stance the whole time. Do I see how it could be, and this is kind of going into the fight as well that they have, but do I see how Lindsay may not be the most of tenor friend? Okay, yeah, I could definitely see that. Is that fucked up? Yeah, it should go both ways for sure. And I'm sure that it's been much more one-sided on Danielle's part, especially now, right? But at the same time, you have to expect this dynamic to change. You cannot get up in arms because she's spending more time with Carl and less time with you.

It's not logical. Like, when you started dating Colleen, we didn't golf four times a week anymore. We didn't do certain things. And not in like a negative way just because, one, want to spend time with your significant other. two it's important to spend time together without a third party yeah and three i don't expect us to still have that same level of yo we're going to go do this because you're in a relationship yeah there's a life there's a life outside of your friends after that and daniel should and i think this kind of just points to it daniel should also have that she should understand that and she

doesn't have that because of what her relationship is like with robert and obviously we come to find out that they are not together anymore and it was leading in that direction every instance that we see with her and Robert, he's running to go to work or avoiding the real conversation that she wants to have or everything across the board. And she's unhappy. And she tells as many people that. She tells everybody. Yeah. Like this long distance thing is not working. I barely see him. I barely get to talk to him. And when I do see him, he wants to have fun and relax. And I understand that. And it's a really hard position to be in. We get that. Just focus on that. Maybe we'll sympathize with you. Instead, you lean into how Lindsay should be giving you more time and she should be

your friend more she's not understanding and she's completely missing the point so i don't understand people who are on daniel's side on this one i don't get it either and then lindsay says to daniel you talk to everybody else about this shit except for me yeah and that was a great i didn't even think about that oh yeah she made a mockery of like their relationship she said that they're much closer weight and they're moving way too fast fairy tale yeah like she made us a huge stink of kyle or a huge stink of carl and lindsay's relationship of course lindsay's going to feel some type way you've been talking shit behind her back as her quote unquote alleged best friend and you hit it behind the guys of you saying a best friend's supposed to be hard on their best friend

like that's not what that means dude it doesn't mean going to talk shit and then when you're called out on it standing firm and saying yeah i said that because i care about you's like what are you talking about you talk smack and got caught and now you don't know what to do but lindsay also brings up feeling attacked at dinner and daniel's like how would you feel attacked like i wasn't attacking You know, it's like you were. This is the one night that Lindsay was doing what you wanted. She's cut and loose and you're so focused on Montauk because you didn't have a boyfriend there and she did and you're projecting all your insecurities and bad relationship onto Lindsay

and Carl, which is also fucked up. But you did attack her. You made it awkward at the table. You were making faces. You were pretty much saying like you're not being a good friend anymore and like it's so hurtful that you wouldn't. There's no reason for you to go to Montauk if Carl's not there. for you to take that at face value and get upset about it,

you understand what she's saying. My boyfriend's not there. So going to Montauk at 1am might not be the best thing for me if I'm going solo. It was entirely innocent for Lindsay to say that in the first place. If Danielle was a true friend, one, she wouldn't have aired her shit out at that table. She would have also pulled her aside and said something quietly like, hey, that kind of hurt my feelings.

And look, again, this kind of goes back to the Sheena and Lala thing. if Lindsay then spazes out and says well I don't care about your feelings I'm in a relationship like you need to understand that then you can be like okay this isn't working that's kind of fucked up but if she doesn't you have to give her the chance to do that you can't just yell in the middle of a group of people because it's embarrassing yep and Lindsay Lindsay's reaction might not be how Lindsay actually feels she's gonna act a little erratic in that moment and I thought that she handled herself pretty well in that moment as well handling herself well that's why I get so confused. And I think that it goes back to the Lindsay hate that's been brewing for so long. And that's

the funniest part. We're not like or have not been in the past like big Lindsay fans. We're just calling it like I see it. I've been more on Danielle side. I thought that Danielle was way more fun than Lindsay is. And look, it changed. It's just it. Things change. It's okay. Lindsay has done a good job at not going off the rails and staying fairly level headed while being attacked by her quote unquote best friend. I'm taking it at that. I'm taking it at that. I'm taking it for this season. Everyone throwing shade about the past. We're watching Carl and Lindsay hopefully try to be better.

They're both trying to be better. And yet here we are saying Lindsay's the fucking problem because she's focusing on her relationship. I just, it doesn't compute. The math ain't math and in my head hurts. And when the math ain't math, I don't know. Go take a bath. Oh.

Last but not least, we are back in. Jersey and uh roan j roan j roan hay and about to be rooney with an eye because they're going to ireland this episode hell yeah but let's start off we are at envy which is melissa gorgas store and what i thought was a really nice gesture and a really nice moment was not because she was then on the after show talking shit and we'll get to that but daniel shows up with bougie kids which is her clothing brand and seems to do pretty well. Yeah. She seems like she's selling a lot of shit and it does seem to be a nice moment.

I'm like, oh, wow, that's kind of interesting that you have Danielle, who is seemingly a Teresa teammate, kind of viving with Melissa. I was like, maybe this is a little. Well, not only that, but Jen was invited. Jen was there too. So that seemed like I thought it was a nice moment. I thought that Melissa was extending an olive branch to that side, obviously not with Teresa, but maybe with the other two and saying like,

I know that Teresa talks a lot about me and you might have your ideas about who I am but I'm going to do something nice for you. So I thought it was actually a pretty good step. I did too until I watched the after party or the after show and Melissa is quoted saying yeah, Danielle shows up like looking all dishevelled and like starts making for her.

Well, I think that something must have happened. We alluded to this with Zach the other day when we did his live. Something must have happened towards the end of this season with Danielle and Melissa. So now she feels this type of way. But in that moment I took it as a genuine gesture. I thought it was like a sweet scene.

I was like, wow, cool. Everyone's getting along. We're selling clothes. Like, this is great. But Danielle goes into like the futa of it all. And she calls her a rat, which, you know, is damning. You're not supposed to call people rats. Nope.

Not in Jersey. No, hell no, not in Jersey. But we're pretty much just getting ready to go to Ireland. We're watching everybody in their own respective homes kind of planning for this trip. We get to see Dolores with Paul's family. I love his family. They're great. They could be on every week.

I love that they did like a flip-flop. Like his family came in. Yeah, I know. Did you notice that his accent changed a little bit? Like he got a little more Irish? Well, I think that's normal. I think that's fair. I think you probably sound like you're from Texas when you go down to Texas.

I definitely have more twang when I'm down south. Not intentionally. I think it just happens. You know, it's like people from Philly. I'm sure when they're like some psychiatric. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it's a real thing. I loved it though.

Because him with an Irish accent made me like him even more. And I already like him a lot. Yeah, he's doing well. He's doing well. Definitely doing well. But the one family that's, we need to, focus on is Jen and Bill. Of course, why wouldn't we?

And they're sitting there discussing the upcoming trip. And I actually thought Bill was at least contributing to the conversation a little bit. He was, I don't, I really don't think so. I think that he in the beginning, no, in the beginning, in the beginning, let me get to that part. In the beginning, he at least, like, say, it's the first time I've heard him make a full sentence comment other than just reacting to what she's saying. Like, oh, yeah, I think that would be a good idea to avoid Marge.

yes like that's an actual thought so i'm giving him a lot of grace saying that he was attentive he was not attentive the whole conversation just at least in that moment he had a full sentence come out i think that's fair too because that even just that little sentence and it sucks that we have to like hone in on one thing but that little sentence does show some growth because i feel like maybe a couple of weeks ago pre-therapy whatever he would have said well maybe you should go over to marge and apologize or just be nice to her yeah but now he's actually kind of taking Jen's side because Jen did say, like, I'm just going to avoid Mars the whole time, which she's definitely not going to, and she doesn't.

But to say, like, yeah, maybe you should just avoid her is kind of coming in line with your wife's thinking or at least supporting her. But he immediately loses all traction and credit because it goes way south really quick. She addresses the fucking poolhouse again. She's like, you spend four or five hours a day in there. And he's like, what, am I not supposed to be my true self? Like golf this and that. She's like, you don't golf.

You go to the pool house, bro. Like, all I'm asking, and this is so sad when you really break it down to what she's asking for. She's asking to spend time with you. She's asking to spend time with her husband, her life partner, her spouse forever, dude. Like, she's not asking for a lot. Come in here and be a dad. Come in here and be a husband. Ask me how my fucking day is, Bill.

Don't go jerk off in the pool house and stare at your Lamborghinis like an asshole. Come in here and be part of this fucking family. But he's so... Jerking off to his Lamborghinis. He is jerking off to his Lamborghinis. guaranteed like I need to see inside of this pool house what's so great in there that you're ignoring your entire family and then she finishes it with asking about therapies like maybe it's like dude at the very least I had this thought before because when like the

early seasons of summer house they used to go to the pool house allegedly to go do things that you know they didn't want on camera fill in the blanks if you will maybe the pool house is kind of out of the question for production and he doesn't want to be on the show unless he's at a party that could be part of it but it's It sounds like he does this all the time, not just when they're filming the show. No, it's just his routine. It gets home from surgeries and then he goes to the pool house until after dinner. Then he comes in.

After dinner means kids are going to bed. You don't have any time with your wife. And then you're going to sleep to wake up and do it again the next day. Exactly. You can't look in the mirror. And by the way, Bill, you don't even have to look in the fucking mirror. Just watch the fucking TV. See how big of an asshole you look like.

This woman just wants your attention. Yeah. I think that, and we talked about it with Zach. I think there's a good point to be made here that he just wants the classic version of marriage where he's out there providing for the family. Here's this nice big house.

Here's all these nice cars. Making sure that the kids are fed and that they're clothed and everything. I give you such a nice life. Like the least you could do is just take care of the kids and I can go do my own thing. Like that's all he wants. He will pop in on his terms alone.

And he sees nothing wrong with that. No. Hopefully he comes around to the idea of at least just showing up sometimes. Like just come in. And the end of the conversation just tells you everything that you need when Jen says, I'm going to go in Ireland, so you're going to have to watch the kids for a few days. And he says, your kids are mine.

Like, come on, dude. You dip shit. And by the way, bad joke in the moment. No, yeah. She's saying that you're unattentive and now you're saying the kids aren't your kids. He doesn't take it seriously. And that's the main problem. It's fucking brutal.

And I feel really bad for Jen. And of course, she's acting out elsewhere. Her home life sucks because her husband sucks. But we're in Ireland. We arrive with 35 bags. six bags per woman they are severely overpacked it's pretty funny but

oh actually you know what this brings me back to something from Vanderpump what do you remember when Christina Kelly was getting ready for the last dinner all she had was a white dress yeah do you think at some point she expected to be invited to a wedding function so she packed a white dress accordingly

possibly maybe she thought that that sit down with Sheena was going to get her like a little last wedding invite like hey come to the party All the people wore white to the wedding The party was a white party Yeah The party was a white party It was a white party

Like James wore a white t-shirt Oh that's true at the wedding too And Allie wore a white dress Yo she definitely thought she was gonna get the last minute invite God Boom Great point Woo and that's it for

Sorry for anybody who just skipped all the Vanderpump Which was you know 75% of the show Here you go Show's over I fucking nailed it Bye But no they got 30 bags and they're headed to Ballin Low and we get Fessler is an enigma. She is a absolute

enigma. She's fucking great. I love her because she just comes out of the woodwork and she's like, oh yeah, I fuck James Gandalfini. He was inside me. Tony Soprano. Tony Soprano. She said. That's a big drop. Like there's some drops that you could say. It was awesome. She was like he took me to an S&M bar and then we went back to his apartment and we had sex. I was like, what the fuck? Are you in 50 Shades of Grey with Tony Soprano because I'm here for it. Do we have footage? God. That's insane. That's crazy though. That's such a great

dry. You could have said a thousand other celebrities. I'd have been like man, all right, whatever. But James Gandalfini is a big drop. Honestly, if we know anything about these housewife shows, we know that the Sprinter van conversations can get weird and really bad, really fast. Oh yeah.

So for something like this to happen, where everybody's just completely shook, including us, everybody was rattled. There's no way that that, like, that was the best sprinter van conversation I've ever heard. It was phenomenal. Incredible. Fessler, fantastic. Well done.

Bravo. We get to Ballin Lowe, which is a fun name to say. I like Ballin Lowe. I can say words. It's just usernames. Do not paint me in that light. All right, I'm an intelligent person. At least I think so.

But we're at Ballin Lowe and they're having lunch. And it was interesting. Theresa and Melissa sit down next to each other and they're actually keeking a little bit. Nice and chummy. I know. Everything seems copacetious. it looks good and of course

then the drama starts a little bit because Dolores has to has to say why don't we keep this trip a little bit lighter

a little bit drama free it's a nice place let's not embarrass ourselves anytime anytime a housewife says this

in any franchise across the board within minutes there's going to be drama absolutely so I wonder if they have

earpieces in and the producer's like and go and she has to then say the question because playing the producer card now, that's your job, but it's just hysterical.

And instantly, shit starts getting stirred up because we get back to the cup reading. And Jen calls out Jackie, she's like, at least be respectful because you weren't respectful at all during that fucking cup reading. You were calling her out. I said it last week. I said during the cup reading, by saying those things, just keep them to yourself until the psychic medium leaves because you're insulting her work. Well, Jen, in a way, insulted the work by talking to her beforehand.

That was the funniest thing. That's like the hypocritical aspect of it, where it's, I'm not, I'm not siding with Jackie by any way, because I do think that she does need to be respectful of the cup reader, which by the way is definitely more accurate than astrology. Scientifically proven. Scientifically proven by me. But yes, Jackie was disrespectful, but Jen was also super disrespectful because if you're watching this, like, that woman has a chance to book parties in the future just from fans

of Jersey. Now she doesn't. No, she host her. People are going to be like, well, this is an absolute sham. Why would I pay for it? Yeah, she got smoked. So that's really sucks. And it's all Jen's fault, but I did think that there was...

Well, Teresa's the one that brought it up. I know, I know. She threw Jen onto the bus. I was like, yeah, I mean, but we already knew it was a sham. So it's not like she's going to get booked in the future. But I do think that Jen, one, she's been having a great season. Two, it shows a little bit of a growth. It does.

Where she admitted, like, oh shit, like maybe maybe I did. I don't falter there because to all of her shortcoming. No, I'm saying don't falter by saying it's the first time she's done that with growth. To her credit, when she gets called out, she does say like, yeah, I know I said that. Like, she's pretty good about getting called out in her own shit. I feel like not when Marge is attacking her, though. Fair. This time, I think she might be getting used to Marge coming after her.

All right, yeah. She's getting a little more comfortable with that, which kudos to her because if Marge was yelling at me every day, I would probably go deaf. I would choose death. I would quit the show. I'd be out. I can't do this. I can't, my ears can't take it anymore. It's so shrill.

You know, it's just like it cuts. It cuts. I can hear it. I can hear it right now. Yep. You know what? It's a good time to break the noise. I just miss doing that from Miami.

RIP Miami. But that's when the Laura shit comes back up. And Jackie with my favorite one-liner of the season, she's the most incredible person. Not uncredible, not non-credible, incredible. You just complimented her, Jackie, by trying to like interject. Also, why is Jackie on the trip? Why is she there? They're doing a Miami thing. Honestly. She's the Marisol. The friends. Don't. She's the Marisol and Kiki is Jen Fest. Let me ask you this genuinely.

Like, I want you to take out, like, who you stand for or who you like and don't like. What does she bring to the table? What has she brought to the table up until this point? And I'm trying to think of it, like, as a logical standpoint. Like, maybe she evens the teams a little bit. know because Marge's team outweighs Teresa's team at this point. So if anything, you're just stacking one side or the other. Jackie brings nothing to the table, literally and

physically. It's just, I haven't seen her do anything yet. None of her comments have landed. She didn't even say the word right there. Like, she just seems to be trying to latch on to whoever else is doing something and throw in her two cents, but it's always kind of, it's never heard.

It's always in the background and it's always unnecessary. I'm just happy that she, It seems like she's cooled off on Danielle a little bit. Maybe it comes back. I hope not. But it seems like it's dead for now, which I'm okay with. I agree. I agree.

But that's when it all happens. This is when the bomb gets dropped. And Jen's with Danielle in their room getting ready. And Danny's kind of fishing. And yeah, I call her Danny because we're tight. Danny's fishing for what this news is that Laura gave her. What is this big bomb that you're supposed to drop? Like, just tell me.

And Jen's like, no, I'm. I can't. I promised I wouldn't, but it's awful. It's life-changing. It's life-ruining. It's something similar happened to me. At no point is she planning on not telling Danielle. She's just doing this to save face. She's just waiting for like another minute to drop the bomb. But she had every intention of doing this because it weirdly is payback against Marge, even though it's about Melissa, which is really strange how that worked out because Melissa is getting thrown on the bus. But because Marge is the one that presented this info to the group. It's kind of a slight against Marge.

So this is Jen's chance to throw it back at Marge with a cheating allegation, even though Marge isn't technically involved. Yes. So the allegation comes out. Jen finally drops the bomb and says at some point, one of Marge's friends or producers or somebody that works with Marge opened up a back door of a car. And Melissa was in there with a very handsome man, Nikki. Nick is what we're going with.

Nick. His name is. Zach says, yes. I said, Nicky. Nick and then a very Italian last name is all I got. So Nick allegedly was in the backseat with Melissa. Do you think anything happened? I, oddly enough, like, I can't see her cheating on Joe. I could kind of see Joe cheating on her, but even still, I don't think that either of them would cheat on.

So I think that it's probably just like a source that was like two or three times removed from Marge. And by the time it got there, because Marge, let's face it, she has an arsenal and people know that she has an arsenal so people deliver her information and rumors so she holds on to them if she's going to tell somebody who's as incredible as laura you got to know it's going to come back on you at some point so don't tell somebody like laura i i don't know i don't think so honestly i don't either think so i agree with what you said at first i just don't see her cheating on joe for all of their whatever they do seem to be a team in all their bullshit.

So, like, I just don't see it. I don't think it happened. I think maybe it was somewhat of a sketchy situation. Maybe they just got caught at the wrong time where it looked like something was going on. And then, as you said, source once, twice, three times removed. And now we've got a different story.

The guy works for them. See, that also changes things. Yeah, he could be in the car with her. Like, maybe it shouldn't have, but everything could have gotten twisted. Like, this could have been at 11 a.m. They could have been somewhere else. Like, who the fuck knows?

By the time it gets. to Marge, and then also by the time it goes from Marge to Laura, and then Laura at a Jen slash Teresa. Yeah. Everything could have changed. The entire situation, this guy may not, I mean, he exists, but he may not have even been there in that moment in time. I would like to know more, and I'm sure now that it's quote unquote, public knowledge,

not that it hasn't been for a long time. Now that it's on TV, I'm sure the Bravo sleuths are going to start digging. Yeah. I'm sure they'll find something. I mean, Team Teresa is, you get the character development of Danielle, who was completely blindsided by Fuda. Yeah. She did not expect that out.

all and she's scrambling a little bit and trying to get some information so that she is not cornered in the near future if you will right she gets information from jenn now jenn and teresa could have been planning like how are we going to let this out like when do we let this out they definitely happen they are presented with an opportunity let's give it to daniel the new potential hothead who might be in a situation where she needs to blurt this out and then there you go I don't see Danielle being the one to break the nose. I think it is. You think she's going to?

Absolutely. I think the way that you can see Melissa on watch what happens live. Oh, you think that's what it was. Ripping Danielle apart. I think she knows that she's the one who brought this to light. Okay. That makes more sense. I like that theory now.

Thank you for tying that together for me. I appreciate you. So I'm here for. But we get to the Bachelorette party and Chanam Taming is there. I love what you said. I thought of my, like, I thought the peacock skipped on me. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, what happened?

Chimmon Taitam? Channing Tatum, right? Chavin and Tatum. But this is where I, I, I, Danny's craftier than I thought. Because she says to Melissa, like, hey, let me take a picture of my boobs and, like, up close, and do you think that Joe would know? And hands the phone back and it's ha ha, it's a funny joke, whatever. And Joe's like, who the fuck is that?

It goes to her confessional, and she's like, okay, I can breathe a little bit because he can recognize like that wasn't her and like that was a little litmus test to see kind of how shady joe was an interesting litmus test it was a very interesting text from melissa yeah i know it's not like daniel texted him from her phone right i mean there there was more that they could have done there but it is interesting that she like has the wherewithal to kind of like move some chess pieces slightly and be like hmm let me just let me see let me just see out this new information yeah let me test this out so i like that that that shows promise that she's starting to play the game a little bit more.

Okay. Because I'm still firmly team Danielle. I still think she's the future. So I'm rooting for it. But of course, we have to go back to the Melissa's mom shit. Not getting invited to the wedding is how this episode ends. And Teresa's like, had you just told me, she would have been invited. I would have had no issue with it if you just called me.

Melissa, valid counterpoints. Like, what are you talking about? You said earlier on, like, no, there was a history there. So clearly you didn't want her there. So Teresa puts her foot in her mouth. Now, I think the biggest thing with this whole dilemma, this whole invite your mom, don't invite your mom, no one cares. It's not that pertinent to the show. It's not that pertinent to the wedding.

They seem to be holding on to this as like a last ditch effort. Like, this is more drama between us. Let's keep throwing this at each other. It's like, I don't even think that your mom cares. I don't think that she's bothered that she's not invited. She didn't seem to be. So why are we continuing to make this into something that it's not? I don't really know.

I do like that they did dwindle it down to even Melissa and Joe going because you get Jen that blurts out like you were invited obligatory. Like, okay, no. But I mean, like, we were all thinking it. Yeah. Like obviously, yes, Melissa and Teresa are not in a good place. Joe and Teresa are not in a good place. There's a chance that if you weren't related, that you wouldn't be invited to this.

There's not a chance. You wouldn't be invited. The obligation does not extend to then your family. No. That's just not how that works out. So, Jen is correct. Is it funny that she blurted it out in the middle of the table? And everybody's like, what the fuck, Jen?

It's like one of those things you don't say out loud. And to go back to Vanderpump as well, like with the la-la stuff when she says, like, this isn't the most important thing in everyone else is like. It's like, yeah, that's, we know. Keep that to yourself. Everybody knows, but you just don't say it because it's fucking me. No, yeah, that's a really good point. And I think we're starting to see.

And the reason that I like these trips and the reason that I like this trip specifically for Jersey is the husbands are not there. So we get the women that have to deal with it on their own. They can't escape. You can't go somewhere else. You're going to be right on top of each other at all times. So figure it the fuck out. And we will see with no support system out there, there's no Louis, there's no Joey, there's no

Joey, there's no anyone else. Melissa and Teresa have to figure it out. And we already started to see Teresa putting her foot in her mouth immediately, already saying something that she didn't mean to say that she already said at food his house. There's a lot going on there to keep track of, especially when you're lying. about your feelings. So you're going to get caught in a lie. Whoever can capitalize on that is going to win this battle.

So we'll save. It's well said. And we're going to finish Jersey with something that I thought would be kind of fun. Okay. Because they finished the episode with the Limerick off. Okay. So we're going to have a little Limerick off. Is the Limerick, the 575?

No, that's a haiku. Limerick is tempo. Though it's there once was a man from blank. Oh, God. I'm not creative enough. Well, no, you got to try. I'll go first. This is your segment.

You probably already have one. I didn't. I was just thinking actually while you were talking. I was like, fuck, I should have actually thought of one. But I'm going to make it, I'm going to make it about you. I'm going to do my best. All right? There once was a man named Shooter who went everywhere on a scooter.

He talked Bravo with bros, didn't hang with the hose. But he looks at pulling up. poor on computer. My God. I'm sorry. I don't know why. I don't have one ready to roll. That's,

I say we just ended with that. I win. Good job. That takes us to the question portion. This has been a really long episode. So we're going to cut this a little bit short, but we'll answer a few. I like this one because it'll take a sec,

but we'll work on this one together from. EFITZ-07. Okay, got a note. Power 9 lineup for baseball, non-housewives. But I'm going to amend this. We can also include housewives. Let's make a batting order of housewives. Who's leading off?

Who seems speedy? I got Fuda leading off. Why? She seems quick. Okay. All right. We'll start up with Fuda. Okay.

Your second hitter is supposed to be your best hitter. Two-hole. Who's in the two-hole? Two-hole. I'm going to put it's hard to not do this without housewives two hole I'm going to

dudes count two I'm going to throw Karen Huger in the two hole oh I like that all right three hole I'm going with do we think that they're going to be good at baseball or is this like

I don't know in entertainment terms no no this is oh I don't I'm going off of good at Baseball. Okay. All right. Three hitter. I'm going to go with football player.

Oh, three hole I'm going with Tiki Barber. That is a stretch. Why? He was on for like a season of a hand. It doesn't matter. He's on. Four hole, go. God.

Frank Catania. Oh, nice. Five hole. I'm going with, no, I was going to say Robin, but we've seen her do athletic stuff. And she's, oh, Whitney. I'm going with Whitney. Five hole. Whitney Rose or Whitney?

Whitney Rose. Okay. Yeah, she's athletic. All right. I thought you were talking about Whitney athletic. from something charm. No, no, no, no, no. Nope. All right. Six-hole, Craig. I like that. Seven-hole, Austin.

Okay, keep them together. Yep. Eight-hole, Lindsay Hubbard. Like that. Nine hole? We're sticking with Summerhouse. We're going to turn that line up over with Andrea. I love it. Boom, done. There's your power nine. Oh, and 162. From M. Holt, thoughts on Melissa Gorgon, watch what happens live. There seem to be tension between the

Orgas and Andy. Yeah. I think that Andy, I mean, Andy, let's be honest, for this last year, Andy's been pissed off at other people on Bravo going out of their way to do paywalls and other bullshit. I don't know what this one's really about because I don't think the Gorgas have done a whole lot. No. So Melissa started it because she got testy when Andy was kind of digging into her a little bit.

He was trying to rock the boat, which is funny because he wasn't even being that tough on her. We've seen her going on Teresa way harder than he was with her. I think the reunion's filming this week, too. Is it? Next week. Yeah. Like, she was clapping back at him and he was getting pissed.

It's like, what are you doing? You're already on the bubble. Like, you're not here for any other reason than Teresa. So, like, maybe don't fucking make the boss mad. Yeah, they're so misguided in like what is entertainment, though. They probably think that they had a good job. Oh, that's actually a good feathers over there at Bravo and make fun of Andy. Like, uh, probably not the good move.

That's a good point. That's a good point. All right. One more. Last one here. From Marie L. Manara. Do you think, shut up. Do you think Teresa is behind Jen bringing up the cheating on camera? Yeah. I don't know. I think I know what you mean. I don't think she's behind it. I think they were in cahoots about it.

Yeah. I think that they, I honestly, like I alluded to earlier, I think they talked about bringing it up and like how they can do it. They've always planned on throwing it out there. Yeah. It's just being careful about when you do it. So loosely connected. I don't think that she told Jen to tell Danielle. I think Jen did that on her own. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So cahoots. Cahutes-ish. Cahootz-ish. Cahootz-ish. That's a good username. But I wouldn't be able to read it.

But. Cush-ish. But. Gennant-Tatum. Damn it, I'm trying to sign off. Janent Tatum. But that does it for us. Remember live show two weeks, city winery and Philly.

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