Bros & Shows - It's Traitor vs. Traitor (w/ Bran Flakezz)(The Traitors s03ep06 Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

What's up Bros? We are joined by a Philly legend and renowned influencer Bran Flakezz to recap episode 6 of The Traitors. We pick up with the Traitors in shambles after Carolyn catches wind of Danielle plotting against her. After having a discussion it appears that they reach a loose agreement to come together, but has too much damage already been done? We say goodbye to a tv and fitness icon after last nights murder. At the challenge the group collects gun powder to blow up a giant traitor and secure $30k, but Carolyn hears that Danielle's whispers are still circulating, causing her to completely turn her back on Danielle. Rob and Wes tee off on each other at the round table resulting in a fairly iconic departure from the show. The speculation amongst the faithful is still pointed at Boston Rob as the Traitors try to figure out a path forward. It becomes clear that Danielle is a liability and Carolyn has had it with the deception. In the turret for the vote on who to kill, its quite clear that this group of Traitors may never come together. Huge shoutout to Bran Flakezz who we will definitely have back on in the future!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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many seasons of the traitors be watched? Is this like you all caught up? Yeah, I've only watched the U.S. I've never watched like the British version, but yeah, I'm all caught up. I think the British version is way more not even reality stars. I mean, I'm sure they probably have some Love Island people in there, but I think it's like everyday people, which actually kind of makes it fun, and that's what the U.S. did for a little bit, but this is just such a better format with all the people that we kind of know and a lot of games. Bro's and Shows. Bros and Shows.

Brows and Shows. I got to have me. My Brows and Shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter, Magoutar.

What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Just, I think I said it last night. Nine days until the Super Bowl. Can't get my hair cut. Getting a little long. Kind of fucking annoying. But, you know, just take it a day at a time over here.

Hey, you got to do what you got to do. do for the team, but we are joined by a very, very special guest, a Philly legend, everybody's favorite influencer, the one and only brand flakes is joining the bros. What's up, man? What's up, you guys? I'm so excited to be here. I'm thrilled to have you on finally. We've talked about it on and off. I think I reached out like last year. Our schedule got crazy. Clearly, your schedule got crazy. You're all over the world, it seems like. But we were brought together by an incident at Fadot.

What are you giggling about? Broadcasting live from Fadot. Yeah. Brand Flakes actually owns Fadot now. Yeah. This whole thing came about. I saw that you had a negative interaction at Fadot

involving some cheetah pants and you just tried to get in the club. Obviously, we wanted to stand by our boys, so we jumped in the comments. I was like, fuck that. We will put on cheetah pants and march on Fadot tomorrow. You let us.

no dude so so glad that this worked out and we are here to talk about our new favorite show which is the trader so how do you think this season's going thus far it's it's good it is good i think did you guys watch season two parts of it yeah okay season two i personally thought was one of the best reality shows like competition reality shows that's been released in the last 10 years I thought it was just a perfect season with good gameplay and bad gameplay, which makes it entertaining great drama and just such an epic cast. So I knew that season three was going to come off the heels of something and have like a little bit of like something to prove almost.

So I think it's in comparison to season two, it's not giving me everything, but it's still such a great show. The format's so great. And I'm still loving every episode and watching it. It's the only show I watch right now. So it's incredible. Yeah, I feel like after watching a little bit of season two,

the season two roundtable moments were way more iconic. There was a lot more back and forth. A lot of people defending themselves in just such a great way where you would get accused and then they would get so personal, so fast. And I feel like we're getting there now after this episode where there's a lot of fucking chaos. And it's almost like a completely different show if the traders aren't on the same mark. So they're going after each other.

It's absolute chaos. And everybody thinks if you're a faithful, you're looking at this like, holy shit, the traders are doing such a good job right now, throwing us off. And in reality, they're trying to kill each other. So there's so many nuances to this right now that I feel like it's going to get to that point where it's so chippy and people are so mad at each other to the point where we even see in this episode, two people from Big Brother are accusing each other and then flipping out. And it's incredible.

Do you guys watch Big Brother? I watched it in the beginning, but not in the last, like, 20 years. So Big Brother is at its peak when there's two sides of the house that are against each other, and every week they switch power, like one side of your house wins. And I feel like that's kind of almost why season two of the traders was so good, because you had Peter leading this whole faithful alliance, and then you had the traders, and they kind of did flip power every week. Like one week, Peter was calling them out and landing a shot,

and then the next week the traders were recruited. somebody and getting like vice so i think right now like there's no really alliances almost in this season like we had the bambis but that already kind of fell apart which sucked um right well i think i'm looking to see like a group kind of formed together um but it is good i'm enjoying it i'm curious what groups are going to see form i feel like a lot of people are way too far gone now there's there's way too much turmoil amongst the house i will say this if we get one more dm or one more comment or if my wife tells me again they're like you just should have seen fadre last year like fadra was everything and i'm like i know everybody tells us but she's not on this season

i know everyone's like fadra was the best i'm like i believe you but we can't come a fadra um but no like the more that i'm watching and i've heard all about last season so in comparison to that the gameplay seems to be a lot different and i think that at all points points to this crazy turret that we have with these traitors. And it's just utter chaos. And it's almost like Boston Rob called it out of the gate where he's like, look, we got two options here. And you know he wants the United Front.

He's like, I need a United Front. Or we can play the Chaos game. And we came out of the gate with Chaos. I had hoped that at some point along the way, we would shift to now we're having like a team of traders versus every man for themselves. And we start out this episode in the turret. And it's not that at all.

Once again, we have three traitors pitted against each other. Poor Carolyn can't get a word in. Danielle, what's your thoughts on Danielle? Like, how's she doing for you? Danielle's doing terrible. Which is shocking to me because she had one of the best Big Brother games ever in her first season of Big Brother. She was completely robbed of the win. It was a crazy thing.

But we saw this, sorry, season two again. We saw this, but Dan in season two, just because you're a good, player in one game like the challenge or big brother driver does not mean that the trans because it's a different format so i don't think daniel is mastering and honestly i don't think rob is doing a good job either and what an epic start to this episode when you have caroline saying there's nobody i want to murder other than you two i was like okay buckle up this is going to be an episode but that's the thing dude like caroline is she's the best traitor of the three of them and i also I also think that, like, her lack of a voice in the room, which is not her fault, is actually benefiting her because there is nobody that is on to Carolyn, except that Danielle tried to push it.

Yeah. And that's down to for like the banishment, like, which we'll get to. But like, I think Carolyn played the banishment, like, ceremony like perfectly. I think she did now in retrospect. It makes a lot of sense the way that she did it. But at the time, I'm like, there's too much chaos here. You're going to get Rob taken out. And again, we'll get to that.

I just love the format of this game, though, because, yeah, there's some people out there that are rooting for the faithfuls, rooting for the traitors, whatever it might be. I'm not looking at it at all like that. I'm looking at it wanting chaos. I want this to be the messiest, funniest game that I've ever seen. And then I want to get to the roundtable because the roundtable is like the most complex situation of every episode. And you can see people spinning and spinning and spinning. And the people that are really good at it can completely flip to the other person. So you can see all those strategies just kind of come down to it.

And it's every man for himself. Those are the moments that I love each episode. And then once we get back to the turret, it's like, what the fuck are we doing at this point? And I love it because I'm not cheering for any one individual. I'm not cheering for a team. I just want utter chaos. And that's what we're getting. I want to ask you guys, like, what do you think of the way that Rob talks to Danielle and Carolyn?

Because I'm a little sensitive and I kind of feel like he's a little mansplainee and a little I've also felt I'm not a huge Boston Rob fan as a person I've watched him on Survivor for 20 years I think he had a few good runs but I actually don't think he's as great as anybody says he is I think he has really good skills like what we'll get to in the banishment but I don't think he played a long game which is what you need to play when you win but I wanted to ask from a straight perspective like do you think kind of sounds like a dick when he talks to them yeah he's condescending he's intentionally condescending as though their ideas aren't worth his time where he's like, all right, like even when he drops in this episode, he goes, come on, ladies. I'm like, all right, dude. Yeah. First and foremost, the one woman that you've been ignoring the whole time and Carolyn seems to be the best player in this turret. So yeah, I think that he, it's almost like he's in the back rolling his eyes as the two women

are talking to each other, just waiting to like tell them what they're actually going to do. So yeah, I fully see that. Yeah, I feel like the way that he approaches the game to, obviously he wants to be the one pulling all the strings in the turret. But also I feel like he's there to have fun. The things that he says during the episode, it's not like he's really trying to win. It's almost like this is what he lives for. He loves the chaos. He loves to be in the midst of everything and finally getting a chance to explain himself away and push it on to somebody else. He loves those moments more than he loves winning the game, I feel like. Whereas you get somebody like Wes who wants to win. He's playing the

game to win the game. So is Derek. So you get all these really these seasoned vets coming in here just trying to win the money and then there's rob who's like yeah i've been on the show you know this the first time i'm on this show but i was on fucking deal or no deal island i was on survivor for 20 years i don't really care anymore i'm just here to have a lot of fun and just try to mix it up but i agree with you the way that he talks to all of them even the women that aren't in the turret he still just tries to go over and say look at me i'm boston rob i got a backwards hat on come on you got to follow me and he doesn't really care what their opinion is he only cares about his own game you just turn your hat around because of that you don't want to be typecasted

i'm not team boston i'm not team boston but i will say for caroline though the way that she's playing steel and i talked about this last week because she's being ignored in the turret because they're not listening to any of her opinions that's actually beneficial for her because when she walks in the next morning she didn't want that person to be murdered the night before so she is actually distraught she's still pissed off the night before because she didn't get a word in edgewise so it's working really well for her because yeah she's already quirky and weird and kind of alienated. But now people are looking at her like,

oh, she's actually pretty upset. She has no idea what the hell is going on. Let's leave her alone. She's inadvertently becoming more faithful to the faithful because the traitors are not faithful to her. No, it's absolutely great. I agree with you 100%. Yeah.

And you get this conversation in the turret, this half-assed attempt to be like, look, everybody, we need to come together. This is getting outrageous. Like, can we just like start from scratch? And when Danielle says, that I don't think Danielle's playing this game well at all. I think she thinks that she's killing it

only because some of the people that she is requested to get killed have been killed. But ever since Bob the drag queen got whacked, she's too emotionally invested in that. She feels scorned. She feels like she lost a friend. So she's the one that says, look, we can start over and gives like a half-ass.

I'm sorry. I was like that South Park episode. Like, we're sorry when he's saying it. Danielle's trying to apologize to Carolyn. But they come to like a loose agreement here. You know, and I didn't think it was going to stick at all. I thought Danielle was full of shit. I was hoping for Carolyn's, like, mental state that she would get a friend here because

she seems like she just wants an ally and can't find one. Yeah. When she goes to her confessional, I'm like, I feel so bad for you because clearly you're on an island right here. And clearly, this is not a new feeling for you either, which is sad. And at the same time, if people would listen to you, you guys would probably be moving a lot better as a unit. but instead we get this turmoil amidst the turret

and they start talking about who to vote out and when they brought up Iver I'm ready for him to go like two weeks ago I don't know why he's here I was jumping down I was like perfect choice let's get him it made the most sense it's like this guy he's not a threat like still loves to talk about Iver too because he only votes for women and this episode obviously he kind of flipped it a little bit

but he's only ever voted for women I hate to pull this card, but, like, Boston Rob came here and said, I'm taking out every gay guy. Like, come on, dude. Now we're taking out Bob H after you went so hard for Bob the Dragon. Homophobic on Survivor. Like, I can just tell, and little things, like, that I peep, like, everyone called Bob the Drag Queen, Bob the Drag Queen, but he would only call him Bob. It's like, I peep your microaggression, Boston, Rob. I peep it.

Yeah. And the fact, like, Bob Harper holds a special place in my heart from the biggest loser. I loved Bob Harper. I shed a tear when he struggled to get up the hill. I was like, oh, my God, it's like watching one of your heroes. You just kind of get a little bit older, go through life. But he had that awesome moment where he was humbled and spoke to everybody. I was like, God, I love this dude so much.

And then they brought his name up. I'm like, no, why do we have to get rid of Bob H? Who's he hurting? but like I feel like that was a misstep only because you can kind of you know that they know that Bob is a faithful right so you know that they're not questioning him I feel like that's a better play to keep him around for longer yeah rather than get rid of I feel like that again was this chaos move that just didn't work I think what he's trying to set up because I feel like Iver would have been a good one because they were both on to Boston Robb Boston Rob getting implications from by or from Iver you know kind of in the shadows but Rob H is the one who called them out at the roundtable. So I guess the strategy at that point would have been, which sets up for the end of this episode, too, if they're going to call out Boston Rob, get rid of them. Because if you're a traitor and it's not Boston Rob, it's going to look like Boston Rob killed him. And obviously, you have to make sure all your ducks are in a row before you call out Boston Rob at the roundtable.

So I think that's what he's trying to set up. But I still feel like it's going to blow up in their face, if not, you know, at the end of this episode, but by the next. yeah like that i don't think and we'll get to this like more in depth i don't think i think i think rob is good at playing the round but he's not good at playing the game you have to understand like while you're taking out bob age who if that round was was a good move for you because he came after you that's also you couldn't have done that the next round like you could have saved that and kind of dealt with it that's more thinking ahead yeah i don't know i don't think that benefited him because i think derrick brought up the point which was like he called you

out and now he's gone like rob is playing such a literal game of someone says my name and i need to get rid of them the next time it's like right yeah and everyone knows that it's you so i thought it was a bad move i thought iver was the perfect choice that wouldn't have made any leaves but they did it so it's and i'm a thing with rob that i will give him credit for i agree with the way he moves through the house i'm always like i feel like you're drawing way too much attention to yourself you up very specific people that people are already going to think that it's a little suspicious because they know that those people have been talking about you. So it is a very straightforward approach.

That being said, his movement, not great. But when he is face to face and pressed about these things, for whatever reason, he's able to weave together these stories. Like when we get to the round table later, at no point did I think that Rob was going to be able to wiggle out of that one. I was like, there's too much against you. You've got Wes and you've got Derek. against you which is strong they know they're very good game players you've got daniel who's going to

flip in an instant because she's ready to get everybody out of the turret as revenge for bob the drag queen you've got all of these ducks in a row facing rob i'm like there's no way and then he gets to the round table and just starts going and it's just like this eloquent speech it is it's poetic yeah so it's like this this double-edged sword of like yeah i agree with you he's clumsy the way he moves but then when he's faced with adversity, it's like, yeah, well, watch this. And he spins together this story that points the finger just enough. And every single time, one of the other faithfuls picks up where he left off and goes in on that person, then he can step back and just sit and wait.

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of every scene of him like whispering in an ear. He's probably said everyone in the house is a He's over like 12 at this point. Every one of his theories is completely wrong. He hasn't even stumbled upon potentially getting a traitor it's so funny and i love that he walks into breakfast too and thinks that he was going to get killed i'm you know i'm walking around i'm telling everybody my theories i'm expected to get killed like right away because i'm on to them no tom you're way too chaotic nobody thinks that you're a traitor you're wrong about fucking everything you've brought up different people six of them have been killed at the roundtable and they're not traitors and you're wrong about those so we're not worried about that and he's like offended he's like what

what do you mean you would think that maybe this would kind of push him back and he wouldn't keep going with his crazy theories no definitely not i wrote down for breakfast i just wrote a note tom is a walking bit like at this point he's growing on me because he's just so same same he's a bet it's so funny to me that it took because we have the same sentiment we said it last week in our episode it's like you know the tom hate train's easy to jump on especially after everything that happen and how big a piece of shit he is. But I have jumped off of that train for this series because

it's so entertaining. It's so entertaining. And you can't help but laugh and you can't help but give him props for moving so crazily and thinking he's doing so, because it's so fun to watch him stick his foot in his mouth over and over again. And not in a million years, what I have thought that

traders could potentially help Sandoval's public image. And yet here we are. Because he legitimately went up, the first episode went to two of the traders and said, I really trust you. I got a good feeling about you. You're a fucking idiot, dude. But we watch everybody stumble into the room, and we get a lot of speculation, obviously.

And Derek is 100% locked in on Boston Rob. Wes, I would say it's by 80%. I think Wes does believe B. Rob's a traitor, but he's also concerned because he knows if you swing and miss at Boston Rob, you're next. So he's weighing those options. and we find out very sadly that our boy Bob H. Bob Harper gets murdered. I was so, I was genuinely bummed. I paused it. My wife was like walking around the kitchen.

I was like, what the fuck? I was like, why Bob? So then the whole room echoes the same sentiment. That's why I thought it was a mistake because now you rattled up the traders. I thought we were locked in on Iver too. So I was genuinely surprised. I really expected that Iver wasn't going to walk in. So when he walks in, I'm like, oh, come on.

Really? Like frustration, no, sorry to interrupt you, with the girl. Because I'm like, fucking don't let Rob steamroll you. Like, it's two against one at the end of the day. Like, that was clearly his choice. Like, you don't have to listen to him. And that's what I don't understand where they're like, we just have to go with Rob until he's out.

It's like, no, you don't. Like, you don't have to do. Well, that's the thing with Danielle is she's changed her sentiment towards what she wants to do, like seven or eight times. her plan two weeks ago was to get rid of him as soon as possible because he's trying to steamroll them because he's trying to take control and obviously Danielle wants control of the turret that's her whole plan and she's not going to get it because she's allowing Boston Rob to do this

so when she goes to her confessional to explain what happens the night before she goes yeah we have to let Boston Rob think he's in charge it's like what do you mean think he is in charge you idiot like what do you do it especially at the end of the episode she 100% concedes to Boston Rob she's like he's just he's in power now and like he needs to be in power it's like he came into this game with this agenda he knew what he wanted to do he wanted to get you two out of the way so that he could make the calls and hope that you two fall in line caroline is honestly the only ones trying to fight against it but once they get to the turret daniel always bends the need of rob and then caroline is left

without a voice once again and she is i'll say it every goddamn time she's playing the game the best way she is trying to be pragmatic in her approach boston rob is trying to try to get personal he doesn't like when people go after him it's worked out for him and daniel she thinks she's being masterful in her approach and it's like you're naming everybody that's close to you like the funniest thing to me is the fact that she goes around the house telling everybody it's caroline not thinking it's going to get back to carolin even though it's already gotten back to caroline and then she continues to talk about caroline but we get everybody discussing after bob age you get everyone breaking off into their factions trying to find their

group trying to find their their crew or whatever and Tom gets pressed to breakfast he's like well I do have pretty good evidence sometimes like I know what I'm doing and everyone's laughing at him he is offended and he goes to talk to Brittany and he's like it's Dolores and she's like stop fucking stop like what evidence do we Dolores would be one of maybe three people that is guaranteed faithful like I don't think anyone has Dolores on the radar so of course Tom's throwing that out there and Brittany you know she's like this is theory number 73 at this point like can we just move on from this shit but as everybody's moving as you talked about earlier brand that we were looking for teams right so from what you've seen for the faithful to make a move because

they're getting the shit kicked out of them right now yeah who needs to come together amidst the faithful and take charge of that group chershell and Derek L because they're on two separate pages Derek is rallying like, well, he had Wes. I feel like he's getting Dylan. He had like a good amount of people behind him. But Chrisel, I love her so much, is the past two times has gotten it so wrong between Nikki and then last night with Wes. And she seems to be really aligning and trusting Rob.

And I think if Derek can get Chrisel on the same page, then he gets Chrisel. He gets Gabby. He gets Sierra. he gets the women and i think that's what they need right now because rob and he's done this on survivor too is really good at manipulating women unfortunately girls feel safe with him so i think if derrick can get krischel i want to say brittney but we'll get to brittany she fucking did herself no favors this episode christel is still in a place where i don't think anybody thinks christel is a traitor so i think if derrick can be like hey chriselle you didn't like how west

treated you now he's gone you and i need to be on the same page i think that that is going to form the coalition that we need. I think there's an interesting theory, though, too, going forward where if you truly believe that Boston Rob is a traitor, but you don't want to go against him, I think you would want to align yourself with him, make him think that you're on his team because then he'll use you as a pawn pretty much the rest of the rest of the season. And then at the end, if you know he's a traitor, you can still win. If he strings you along, like a Dylan, because he even said that, I'm going to bring Dylan

all the way to the end, and then I'm just going to put a knife for it back. Poor sweet Dylan, yeah. But apparently they're boys and they go golfing together out in California now, so who knows? So if you're a Chris Shell or you're a Dylan, you might want to think like, yeah, maybe I'll align myself with the most powerful player who's not going to come after me because he needs me. And in the back of my head, I'm like, you know what, he probably is a trader, but he can use me till the end and then I can turn on him. So it's an interesting theory if you don't want to stick your neck out, if you don't want to join up with a West or a Derek to try to go against Boston Rob because you know that means you're next. And there's also they, I don't want to get too stuck on this, but there's also. so the strategy that the faithfuls can play where it's like if you know 99% that someone is a traitor

keep them in there because then you know if you get to that final round you know that they're a traitor and you're going to win the show exactly yeah kind of happened last season and i think maybe was a part of west who's a very smart game player who was like okay so rob's a traitor i already know that let's keep him in there you know but he didn't say that so i don't know i can't give him credit for something that we didn't see at least in that. He got mixed up in emotions. That's what my biggest takeaway from this season is

versus what I've heard about last season because obviously we'll use the Fadra example again because it's a good one to use. From what I saw from her clips and from the probably 200 people that have told us that Fadra's the goat, she was able to do this without

emotion clouding her judgment. She would move a certain way intentionally and then the turret was very, very pragmatic in her approach. That's what I've gathered from her season. So I think that what we have in this because of, and this is actually a positive for the traders, I don't have a whole lot of good things to say about the traders team right now, but I will say the one thing that the chaos theory has done for them is that everybody's kind of fueled by emotion now. Everyone's going on gut feelings. You get Chrisel talking about energy. You get other people talking about feelings. Tom

Sandoval has a gut feeling about certain people. When we're talking about feelings, you're taking the objectivity out of the game. And I think that that's the one thing that the traders have going for them. And it's furthered when you have Carolyn sit down with Brittany. And Carolyn and Brittany are tight. So Britney says to Carolyn, I heard that my name's coming out of your mouth. And Carolyn legit chokes on her drink. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck?

He told you that. I want to point out something really quick. Did you remember last week when she was eating Cheerios? Yeah. Oh, did she choke on those two? She was eating with a fork. Oh, oh. right is that a move maybe maybe it's not a move what do you mean is that a move maybe she's lactose intolerant

and just like she likes to um uh to soften the cereal and she can handle the fork because then it doesn't get the milk the all the fuck did that come to your head right away i don't know i've never done that i've never done that that's all i had i just wanted to point that out because i was perplexed maybe she has lactose intolerance and she's just thinking about her tummy you everything about that. Do you want to go on a mission if you're lactose intolerant and you just had a dairy product? It'd probably not be very fun running to the woods trying to hold in. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's an explosive thing. Am I right? Oh, God. We're discussing the important things now. So that's good. That's good. But

Carolyn and Brittany, once again, let's get back there with the Danielle stuff because this leads to a lot more. This loose agreement that we had reached in the turret is now Nolan Boyd, because Carolyn's all right. You're still coming after me, which I figured what happened. Now, Carolyn has a vendetta against Danielle, who has a vendetta against both Carolyn and Rob, but her vendetta against Carolyn is only so that she can get to Boston Rob, so this convoluted crazy plan that Danielle's trying to weave together makes no goddamn sense. She has no real friends. I don't either.

We're going to take out Carolyn to get a faithful on my team to take out Boston Rob, but then you have to gamble. She think that she's the only one that's going to be able to tap a faithful. Like she's going to be like, hey, Boston Rob, let me get this one. Let me get a faithful that I trust. It's like Boston Robb's not going to let you do that. Why would that make any sense? I have no idea.

I think that's where her biggest misstep is, is that she thinks that she's doing this master plan. And yet every time she comes out with her plan, who does she have on her team? Let's talk about like the whole faithful group, the traders, everybody in that house. We know that Boston Rob has an end with Dylan. We know that a lot of people trust him because of what he did with Bob the drag queen. now we also know that that drew some skepticism but he has some people that are faithful in him caroline has a whole army of people because of the fact that she hasn't had a voice this

whole time and is genuinely upset when we find out who gets murder because it's not her choice so she's got a lot of people that are her team does daniel have any support in this house at all doesn't dylan like daniel didn't they have that whole moment in the secret room where he was like i'll trust yeah but didn't she he's skeptical on her now Yeah, she fumbled that when she did the Carolyn thing. And I mean, Dolores was like, oh, I'll be sad if Danielle gets murdered. But I don't think Dolores is going to sway anything. Dolores is sad when anybody gets murdered.

Yeah. So no, I don't think she does. No, and I think that's the biggest hole in her plan is that you need some support. You don't have any support. And her whole goal of, let's say her plan works. Carolyn's dead. We tap another faithful to become a traitor. Why would they be on your team when they get in the turret?

Why wouldn't they lean towards Boston Rob who's calling the shots already? Now you just have another person against the both of you. But let's get to the mission. We got 20 hidden crates. They're number based questions, which immediately I was like, fuck, I would probably not be good at this one.

It's not really math. Yeah. No, I thought it was math. So I was like, oh, shit. But we got to collect gunpowder, 1,500 pounds of it.

We got to collect $30,000 and there's three shields. And my immediate thought at the shields, I was like, traders need to be gunning for the shield. shields right now if they want to protect themselves because it's now at a point where they are all under scrutiny. So I was like, they're going to be gunning for shields. I wrote down, Danielle makes her first smart move of the season by letting Carolyn take the shield, but also saying, don't tell anybody you have it. I thought that was the first time Danielle not only supported her fellow trader.

she also i thought acted well in that scene as like a desperate faithful of you can have it but don't tell anybody right that was the first time i've seen daniel in this game do something that made sense so there's the one compliment i'll get for this whole entire there we go and i love i love that tom was pissed off that she got it too he's like what the hell we didn't talk about she's reached and grabbed it tom goes do you mind do you mind it's like dude everybody wants the fucking shield so yeah she probably does thinks you're a traitor no that's the funniest part is tom thinks that he's so smart that he's like everyone's got to be on to me at this point it's like they all think that you're a faithful and

yeah the dumbest one and they're keep they said it in the in the breakfast the traders are keeping you around because you're so chaotic like you're the best they're the best tool they have dolores says it the best later when she calls him a bad faithful that's just as bad as a good traitor and it's like yeah arguably yeah because he's skewing everybody's thought process but we get through everything and the shields go too we got one for caroline we got one for dylan and we got one for chrychelle after a little rochambeau rock paper scissors shoot so those are the people that got protected i think that like boston rob is it too obvious for him here to go for a shield would that call too much attention on him no i don't think so because i think

if you're playing that game of somebody's trying to set me up he would want to try to go for a shield Because if he gets a shield, then it's like, you know what? You're not going to know, but I'm going to have a shield. Everybody in this group is going to say Rob had the shield. So that's why he's alive today. But at the same time, if the traders were to go that night and try to kill Boston Rob, that means everybody's going to walk in. There's no secondary thing.

So it really does, it kind of goes back and forth. That's what I'm saying. Like, this game is so nuanced that you don't know what's going to happen. So maybe it's better for him to not get a shield. That's what I was Rob, what I would have said was. there's no way in how the traders are going to kill me guys because you keep throwing my name out there

so I want to be faithful to y'all one of you guys needs it more than me that would be more faithful and for the faithfuls but Rob is too cocky to play like that I agree yeah I think that the other traders are banking oh not the other but Danielle I think is banking on that

I think that Carolyn is just waiting to she's seeing where the chips may fall and then she's already geared up on Danielle after hearing from Brittany that Danielle is still coming after. Like, her sights are clearly set. So I thought that her getting the shield was genius. I agree with you.

That was Danielle's one good move to support her in that moment, which is even funnier because she thought, like, oh, now me and Carolyn are cool. And little does she know she's about to get put in the crosshairs when they get to the round table. And you even see it, like, on the ride back, the tension between Carolyn and Danielle in that car. Like, Daniel's like side eyeing her, like, oh, shit. And Carolyn's just ready to get to the round table because she's ready to,

spill some blood but yeah i need to talk about this because i don't really like sam to begin with he oh why what did sam do to you because he look nothing like brittie spears i love brittany and like i don't say i want fair fair yeah all right this motherfucker says he hates brownies who the fuck uh it's fair yeah what what do you mean there's too much chocolate there's too much I don't care if you have a 13 pack. You're not going to enjoy a fucking brownie. That's insane. So, yeah, I really don't like him now because he doesn't like brownies.

I don't understand why he don't like brownies. Where would the 13th ad be, by the way? Would it be on the top or the bottom? I don't know. That's a good question. Right in the middle. Right in the middle. So you got six on either side and then you got one right in the middle.

It's like your belly button turns into an ab. That's the belly button. Yep, that's where it comes from. But anyway, let's get back on task here because I can talk about that for a while. I was upset that he doesn't eat brownies, but Wes tells Dolores about Tom's theory, and we get Shooter made a sticker out of it already.

It's just Dolo's head, and it says fucking Tom Sandoval, which is the best thing you'd say, yeah, this fucking idiot keeps calling Dolores out, and she's not even rattled by it in the moment. She's like, yeah, that's fine. Nobody believes him. And she, without really knowing Tom

explains him perfectly, she's like, he shoots himself. in the fucking foot. I guess he does time and time again. And he didn't get enough attention when he was younger. I was like 1,000 percent. Way too. He diagnosed him perfectly. But you get everybody chit-chatting before we get to the roundtable. And there's a lot of theories being thrown around, but it appears that the main names are coming out. Derek and Ivar are talking about Boston Rob. Derek had to lead him there a little bit. Boston Rob, Tom, and Gabby throw out Wes saying Wes is putting a lot of names out and Wes's biggest misstep in this game once again

emotion led because he's too aggressive he's too strong with how he comes into conversations and I thought that last week that it's more that he just takes command of the conversation and points at one person and for me that's red flag behavior yeah I have an interesting theory and I don't I don't like to throw out the conspiracies but like west his biggest rival in challenge history was Johnny bananas and there was like one season where him and Johnny like went toe to toe

after a year long rivalry and he kind of let Johnny have it like he kind of let Johnny win and I feel like Wes plays a showman more recent. In the past like five years I think Wes went from really going hard in these games and wanting to win to kind of be more of a showman and kind of

almost like if the producers want me to do this for good TV I'll do it because I think Wes definitely knew Boston Rob was a traitor and I think West definitely knew how to play it, but I almost feel like he purposely buried himself because he wanted good TV. I don't know. That is my own year. That's a possibility, yeah. He's watched West since 2005. Like, when West started the challenge series, he was so cutthroat, so villainous, like, so smart. And just the past five years, he's not been the same on TV.

And he's kind of alluded to the fact that he's so freaking rich and he doesn't really care. I think he was there for fun. And I don't think he really gave a fuck about. Boston Raw being a traitor. I think he was just like, all right, if that's it, if that's it, it's one of this. Yeah. We've positive the theory of how many people came to this show, because this is similar to, you know, Bravo has some spinoff, like one-offs, like the ultimate girls trips and things like that, where there's smaller shows, and it's almost like a limited release, and people use these to try to catapult them onto another show. So we've positive the idea that some people are on here for performance reasons to show that they still

have to try to vie for a spot on another show. So I'm not sure if West needs the street cred to get back on anything else, but to support your theory, if he wanted to come in and cause a little bit of a scene, cause a little bit of a stir, give us an iconic moment with the fuck you,

everybody, and walking out of the place. That definitely could have been. Yeah, like, he wanted that moment. It was hard when he was doing that. Like, he was so excited. I was like, all right. Fuck off, Wes. Like, go walk out. Yeah. No, he did. I mean, we can get to the round table right now.

And I love, yeah, I love that Dolores starts it out and just calls out Tom. I think that she's needed to speak up at some point because we know Dolo from Real Housewives of New Jersey. And we know that at a certain point, if you activate Dolores, she's going to fuck you up. Like, you don't mess with her. And so we've been waiting for the other side of Dolores to come out when you push her too far. And I was hoping that this will be enough to, because we've seen glibly. since we got rid of all the other housewives, since we had a vendetta against housewives, which is a sin because Dorinda should still be on this show. We missed out on so many things

by losing Derinda early. So I think ever since she felt isolated with losing her crew, she started to get into the game more and more. And I think that this was the final push that she needed to show everybody that, no, Dolo should not be trifled with. She can hold her own. So I'm hoping that's what this does for her. But I love the way she. did it too because i actually don't think she was emotional i think she said go ahead she said go ahead you can say what you want it's not going to make sense and i don't think you're a traitor but per what bob the dragon said i think you're a bad faithful which is just as dangerous no emotion simply logic just being like bro you're causing chaos and diversions when there's actual traders in the

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He's like, I'm not going to fucking listen to that. We're not going to spend 10 minutes with you and Dolores going back and forth. Neither of you are traders. We're not doing this. I got an agenda that I have to get to. And it's Boston Rob. Shut up, Tom. We're done with all your stupid theories.

And I do think that if this was just a random roundtable where nobody knew what was going on, it's an easy. All right, everybody look at Tom. He sucks. He keeps going with these theories. Let's get him the hell out of here so we can be done with them. But in this round table, there's so many different things we have to talk about.

So it's bad timing, but obviously getting Dolores activated is funny. And it puts a seed in other people's heads moving forward. Let's get rid of Tom at some point, guys. He's annoying shit. We have to get rid of Tom at this point. So eventually we might get there. But right now, it's just funny because Tom's sweating and he's stumbling over his words and he's talking about how hard it is to do this.

It's like, this is the first time you've spoken up since you went crazy after the blindfold scene. And now you're like, oh, my God, this is so hard. Let's get rid of Tom. We got to be done with them. Is the best move from the traitors to murder Tom so that people think that he was on to something with one of his crazy theories? No. I posited the theory that maybe you bring Tom on as a traitor because he's fucking crazy. Nobody's going to look at him.

Nobody's ever. It's going to be like, shut off Tom. And then if they finally get, yeah, if you tap him, then it's like, wait, we don't know anything. because if he goes out in that next roundtable and everybody just kind of gets onto him and even like Boston Rob just kind of like throws him to the wolves, that would be really funny

if they find out he was a traitor and everyone, nobody knows what the hell is going on. So I think that would create chaos if he did it. But the problem is Tom is not very reliable. So the second that he gets tapped, his whole personality is going to change and they're going to know.

I think there's something there, though. I think there is something there. You bring him on to sacrifice. him because then you you like you would bring him on and then the remaining two traders would go around saying i think it's tom actually and then if they vote him out and then everyone's like oh my god how do we not see it and then they have no idea with the trade oh yeah i don't i don't hate that i don't hate that but derrick goes he gives his spiel and it was good it was pretty solid his his case against he definitely tapped into his uh his detective a little bit

you know he's he's turning around he's like and this fucking guy back here he put him there in the cages everyone's looking at us and so he does this whole thing he likes my exes thank you very much you could have that for Boston Rob too by the way but it's fine yeah wait I thought that was Derek see yeah see it wasn't that good Derek was the Bronx Boston Rob would be more Boston Boston Boston I love Carolyn yeah yeah Bob I don't know what's going on here anymore everything's crazy Yeah. He calls out Rob perfectly. I wrote this down. Derek calls Rob out perfectly. Rob is playing a see-through game, but Rob backs it up great and diverts to West. Good strategy, but what's the long game? And that's what I say? Because here's where it's hard to be a traitor. Okay, you get the votes on West masterfully. Good for you. You survived the round. But you know in the back of your mind that Wes is not a traitor. So he's going to go up there. And when they get that wrong. They just got Nicky wrong and now they got Wes wrong and your name was an

option of both. If I was Rob last night, I would have played more defense and less in a way of like it's Wes and more of a, bro, it's not me. You're wrong without pushing it so hard. I guess he kind of had to. But we'll talk about what I think he should do next in order to survive. But I don't know. he's i'm glad for him that he survived that round but this happened in season two sorry to bring it up against you but no no no i don't i don't mind the reference the season too it's just everyone's like fager fager fager fager for dan really hard and he's able to divert it to jenelle jenelle goes home but then when jenelle reveals that she's faithful you know that dan's next step and he yeah and i think that's what's going to happen with rob yeah i i think so too but i think that he i think you kind of said this too i don't

think you really had a choice and I feel like going after Wes before West gets the chance because you know that Derek and Wes are aligned. They've been talking and Wes is going to go next. But if you, as soon as the fingers pointed at you, if you're Boston Rob, you don't go back at Derek because that makes you look guilty. You bring in somebody else who you know is going to come after you as well. So if he goes to Wes, Wes is still going to give his spiel. Wes is still going to give his case. But if you beat him to the punch, then it looks like he's returning fire and that makes him look guilty. And you already know, and you've already said this, he's a, Boston Rob's able to manipulate all the women at the table. So as soon as that happens, you know that Kershell and

Gabby and Sierra are all going to start looking at Wes and being like, yeah, you're kind of an asshole. And Boston Rob has a point here. So it makes him look guilty right away. We have to talk about it if we're ready. Wes in the same sentence says, I'm going to dial it back, but I'm coming after every single one of you, specifically to the women. And that is where I have a hard time believing that that is Wes, because Wes has done these types of voteouts for years. He knows at this point.

He's a vet that you don't say that to somebody when your name is in the hot seat. That's when you play coy and you're like, I'm sorry for being a dick, like, let's move forward together. So I just thought it was like almost too suss how bad he was playing in that moment, but whatever, say LaVie, when he said that I was like, all right, now you're done, bro. You just gave Rob the win.

You could have saved yourself. And the fact that he lost by one vote, like, dude, I don't think Rob won that roundtable. I think Wes lost it. I think West. I agree. Yeah. And also, West, West just did the same thing that Sierra was getting shit for for two episodes. When Sierra went into that coffin and she said, I'm coming after all the traders, everybody

went after her saying, well, why would you say something? like that so why would west then do that after seeing it that was kind of peculiar to me maybe the theory maybe brand flakes his theory's true could be he was just here for a good time here for a good time not a long time yeah but yeah it doesn't go the way west wants it to and like you just said as soon as he said i'm coming for you it's like i literally wrote down wolf i'm like what are you going to do now like you just played directly into boston rob's hand he knew he was hoping you would do this isn't fucking survivor not that he even played survivor from the challenge but it's like you don't just vote off people who are coming after you you're

trying to go after the traitors so it's like that that's not threatening to be like i'm coming after you okay but that just makes you like a bad faithful like you need to be right in front it was just piss for game right and then carolin carolin look she's i i don't hate the move because it tells daniel fucking knock this shit off like i'm done with it i'm not taking the shit anymore it tells boston rob that she's no longer going to sit back and just let them play the game. I like that she stepped up here. I thought that she actually had a good argument.

The problem is the timing in which she said it because the evidence was already so damning against Rob and against Wes, I think that a lot of people's minds were already swayed that way. But I do think that she brought up a lot of really good points about Danielle. I think it was, I honestly think it, I don't think it was intentional, but I actually think for her it worked out perfectly. One, I thought it was amazing that she made it personal and it was like, I've always been the weird person.

and you've made me feel comfortable and now you backstab me. I thought it was so genuine and great because no one's ever going to think those two are now working together as traitors. And I actually don't think it was a bad move for Carolyn. And I'm skipping ahead a little bit because I think for her to go even further,

if her and Rob team up next episode, which says what I think the best move for Rob is now, if he puts the heat on Danielle, I think that's the only way Rob can get out of this, then they get rid of Danielle. They get another trader that's hopefully good for Carolyn. Rob's already in the suss. He's going to go, at that point,

you're already at, like, probably final six or final seven. And Carolyn's hopefully sitting there with one other trader that they've recruited that has her... Tom Sandoval. Yeah. I think Carolyn played it perfectly. I think it was great that she voted for Danielle and not for Rob,

because I think Rob's now to trust her more. And I think right now Carolyn and Rob needs to use each other. So I think it was great. and I actually think it was great that Danielle voted for Rob because I think once again that makes it seem like if three of them would just actually be like you know what fine we can fucking hate each other but like let's just let's let's let that work in our benefit rather than being like no we're literally going to kill each other like let hate each other that's that actually makes it better in terms of no one's going to think the three of you

are actually a team at all yeah yeah because then when you get voted out and you're a traitor nobody's going to look and say, whoa, who were they cool with? Who were they on the same team with? Because they hate each other. So they don't have that rapport at that point. But I do think it's really funny for this particular roundtable. There's so many wasted votes. There are so many like crucial votes that could have gone either to Rob or to West.

And instead you get Dolores voting for Tom. Tom vote. I think the Tom vote for Dolores or no. No, no. Tom voted for Rob. There was only two votes that were not cast for West or Ross. I always write the down. And then Carolyn goes right after Danielle, too.

And it's just so funny. But like, and it works for Dan, it works for Carolyn, too. Because she just took this time to go after her. And she's like, I don't give a shit if I'm wasting my vote. I'm making my point right now. That makes her look like a faithful because she's so upset. And it just works in everybody's advantage. But it takes away these other votes that could have been crucial to the two that

were actually getting the most votes. It makes her look sweet and wounded and too emotional to ever be a traitor. Perfect for her. It was a great play. And it's one of those moments that Danielle's probably kicking herself if she's, if she's thinking this one through and going, fuck, we could have had Rob if I was able to get Carolyn on my team like I wanted originally. Your plan would have just worked. If you two had cast your vote for Rob, if Carolyn had cast her vote for Rob, now it's a tie at the very least.

I'm not even sure what they do in a tie scenario. I've never seen the tie scenario. Do you know what they do for Netflix? Clue. Oh, no, I don't. For ties? Yeah. I would assume they would make the two.

people who didn't vote for Wes and Rob vote for either Wes or Rob. So they get Wes. I write down what the fuck, Britney. And Britney, I love Britney. She is one of my favorite Big Brother players, but Britney is what

I call a professional mobster. She's hilarious in the confessionals. She's got this fun witty banter when she's telling Sam with the Brownie thing, like, do you have any joy in life? But she's never been a good game player. In fact, she was probably one of the most played people. she is making me so mad

when she's like defending Rob for no reason she didn't even play on Rob's show she should be riding with Derek then we'll get to that like conversation at the end but like her saying to Dylan so publicly like Dylan no like shut the fuck up Britney no no I get off the chest no I 100% understand and yes she is extremely likable

And yes, I'm going to steal confessional mobster because that's a great term. Yeah, she's delightful. Like, she is an entertaining player on the show. But when it comes to these moves, it's like, yeah, she's not making the best choices here. And we get to that conversation with Brittany and Derek. But right before that, I need to point out. And this, like, Danielle's got to go down as one of the worst traders to play this game because she's like, in a confessional, you're really going to go after another trader.

It's like, dude, you just voted for Rob. What are you talking about? You've been gunning for traitors since you started because Bob the drag queen got whacked and you took it personally. Like, that's your whole game. You haven't gone for a faithful yet. So for her to say that shows you that she's got this distorted view of what she's doing in this game. But anyway, we get Brittany and Derek. And she pulls Derek aside.

And again, too many players in this show, I think everybody on this show, other than a select few are playing with too much emotion because she pulls them aside and goes, you're a dirty scumbag. She was like, she was joking at first. I think there was a smile there was a joke. Yeah, I don't think it was a joke, but she was smiling at it. Like, it was like a sly little like, oh, yeah, you're a dirty, come back liar. You didn't tell me. Yeah, her saying, welcome to me, I need to yell at you. I do think Brittany trusts Derek, and I don't think Britney thinks Derek's a faithful.

I think she thinks that Derek kind of duped her. But I see where Derek's coming from because Brittany, like he said, she's known this guy for three days, is riding so hard. And Derek is seeing it from the perspective of, oh, Britney is a traitor. It's hard to bring it to season two again. This is what happened last season with Dan and Parvety because everyone knew that Dan was a traitor. And because him and Parvety were so close, they knew Parvety too. The only thing is Britney's really not a traitor. She's just playing so badly that she really doesn't seem like a sneaky trader right now.

She's drawing unnecessary attention on herself. She had no target on her back until she started doing that. Because everybody says that, too. It's like, well, Brittany doesn't really speak up. Brittany's kind of flying under the radar. And it's like she speaks up a little bit here and there now. And now she's drawing attention to herself in a negative way. But Derek and Dylan sit down to talk about it.

And they're both discussing Boston Rob, but Dylan, as we know, after the termination of Bob the drag queen, now Dylan is team Boston Rob. And I think Boston Rob knows that. So when Derek brings it up to him, I was a little curious how that was going to play. And if we're going to see that in the next episode. I have a feeling that Dylan is going to go to Rob and say, hey, just a heads up. Derek has been floating your name out there.

Which at this point, he knows. Yeah, he doesn't have to do that. He knows that for sure. But I'm just curious, like, at some point, and I talk to Shooter about this a lot as we've done these episodes, I feel like the gameplay, you can't. can't have the same game plan for more than like an episode or two. At some point, you have to shift.

There's a long game, yeah. Yep. Right. And I've yet to see a move that's going to give anybody longevity. And I'm curious, I feel like we need Boston Rob. If Boston Rob's going to, I don't know how he's going to get through next week. I think that after Wes has gone, all signs point to him. This is what I would do if I was Boston Rob.

Do I think Boston Rob is capable of doing this? I don't know, because he seems like he won't give up being in trouble. charge, which his hubris will be his downfall. If I'm Boston Rob, kill Iver tonight. He's still made to kill last week. He's a number for Derek. He's not, he's a faithful. You lose no points on that.

You don't make it obvious. If he tries to kill Derek, it's so obvious. It's perfect. Kill Iver. Fuel the rivalry between Carolyn and Danielle and take a step back. You're in the hot seat. He can literally announce to be like, I know everyone thinks I'm a traitor. I just want to be a good faithful.

I want to help you guys win the mission and on the sidelines fuel Carolyn and say we got to get Danielle and fuel Daniel and say we got to get Carolyn. Let those two blow up on each other. Let Danielle get taken out because we've already established

that's likely the way the votes would go. And then everyone will be so happy that they got a traitor in Danielle. It might make them take a deep breath and be like, okay, maybe it wasn't Rob. That is how that's the only way Rob survives next episode

As if they throw the heat on Danielle And he fuels that and takes a step back Do I think Rob's capable of doing it? No, I think he's going to get up there in a turret He's going to make another bad move And I think he's going to be a cocky son of a gun And I think it's going to get him He's been very consistent with

I'm going to take out the people that are threats to me So I think he's going to push hard for Derek And he's going to spin it in a way that Look, they got rid of Derek And now I'm still here they want me to get voted out at the next roundtable they're putting it on me they're trying to make me look guilty and yeah it might work again for another roundtable but it's not going to last that long so yeah he has to start spinning it into the long game and basically just taking a step back like you said put it on them put it on somebody else and then just take a step back he can't be the one leading the charge anymore because it's the same thing that he said about bob the drag queen who's the one who's stepping up who's the one who's commanding everybody at the at the round table at the missions it's always bob the drag queen and then it worked it's the same thing for him now so you need to take a step back and stop being the boys of reason yeah yeah do traders do well when they don't command that's why

fadro went as far as she could and in season one seri did and why caroline is doing well yeah your trader job should be i'm safe i just need to make sure like i'm safe during the night because i can't get murdered i need to make sure i'm safe during the day and not make too many rounds let the bad faithfuls be bad faithfuls and fuck themselves and he's incapable of doing it i don't think i think he i don't know if it's a good or a bad move to take out derrick because he could really sell it as they're framing me they're framing me it's so obvious you guys and i think maybe unfortunately i had to say it i think someone like chichelle would believe that love her to death but i think she would buy into that i think gabby might buy into it but i don't know if i was him i would go after i

I think that's the move. I'll play devil's advocate here. So I agree with everything that you guys said. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now, let's say that Boston Rob, who's been playing these types of games for a very long time, finally has a change of game plan in the turret, all right? And he does try to play it a little bit differently other than going after those that are going after him. I think the best move here is to talk Ivar and get rid of Iver the next day or you go after somebody that Danielle's been close to.

And I think the goal now would be to frame Danielle and get her out of the turret because when you bring in another trader, I think Boston Rob and Carolyn can get on the same page. I think that I need somebody to fall in line with that. So I think that I think Iver is the easy choice here because you can do that without a lot of finger pointing. anywhere. He's such a castaway that I don't think you're going to raise a lot of a lot of red flags. But I think that as soon as that happens, you need to start planting seeds about Danielle. My only issue with the thought process of Rob stepping back is that he has so much heat on him now because of who's been killed. And he has every single week stepped up to talk, point fingers. If he now pulls back after all this heats on him, I think that's going to draw more

attention so he's he's in this weird middle ground but that was my whole thing coming into this week i was like there's no way that rob can spin a narrative to get out of this he's got to go and he did he's fucked i think he's fucked i really don't that's why i said it's like kudos to you like people in my comments were like what do you mean he's playing bad he just masterfully got out of these two management that's not getting him we're we're there's 13 people left yeah big gap it's not good he's not like great he's not he's not making money by making an episode further. He's still going home.

Like his death is there. So honestly, I agree with you still. Maybe his best strategy is to 10 toes down on Danielle and say, you know what? Yeah, he's a liability. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good way. I think he go either way with it.

Yeah, I agree. I feel like if you are a traitor in that turret, I would think that Danielle, the way that she's moving so chaotically, would be a liability to the rest of the team. I don't think that she's supporting anyone. And that takes us to the end of the episode in the turret. And obviously, it's awkward as shit. And it's just chaos. Like, nobody likes anybody.

Everybody wants to kill each other once again. And Danielle, let's slip. Why? This all started because Bob the drag queen was killed. And she points that out, my paranoia started with Bob, the drag queen. And Rob's like, look, he came after me. And Rob's, his logic is, you don't think he did? No.

I think that Rob is being homophobic. No, really, I think that was so dramatic. And I think that was Rob's downfall. Like, he is yelling at people for doing honestly what he did. Like, I feel like he's getting mad at people for being paranoid about little things. He wants to mansplain or being like, y'all are not focused. Like, no, you're focused on little shit. Look, no, you are the biggest drama queen in the fucking turret, Boston Rob.

You heard one under the breast comment from Bob the Drag Queen and decided in fucking episode four you're going to go after another traitor way too early. You did it way to because your hubris is out of control. Your ego is out of control. You wanted everybody to suck your fucking dick after the roundtable because you got a traitor. You did it so aggressively that it was like, how would you know someone's a traitor that solid proof unless you're another traitor? you're playing a survivor game you are an idiot Danielle you're a fucking dumb ass too sorry I'm cussing a lot but I'm getting passionate here we cussed way more than this yeah it's true like I do think that was a huge blunder and I thought it was drama he could have brought it up to the

turret let Bob kind of say that thing go after somebody else and then the church that I'd be like Bob what happened today you made a comment I want to make sure we're on the same page that really and honestly same thing with caroline like i will give i'm not giving daniel any credit i don't think daniel floated caroline's name out once that day she had just the day before done it so much yeah it just catches up yeah but caroline also could have played that and been like daniel you didn't i i don't know if you threw my name out there today but i now heard for two more people that you were throwing it out yesterday and you really fucked me but i kind of am on caroline's side with this get daniel out she's like so bad it's only helping but boston rob

I agree with Daniel. I think that that was a piss poor move. Him saying, he lied straight to Daniel's face. He was like, that wasn't premeditated. I didn't know until I got there. No. You had a plan and you didn't let your co-traders in. And now you want to preach.

He's a hypocrite and he's a misogynist. I hate him. I hate Foster Rob. That's fair. Yeah, you're not wrong on any of that evaluation because that we both said, like there's absolutely no. reason to remove a traitor that early because it's just going to cause more chaos and that goes

back to the united front thing that's the funniest thing if you want to talk about hypocrisy yeah austin rob's initial plan he's like we need to be united front and yet boston rob's the one that continues to throw chaos in the mix because like the whole thing with with bob the drag queen mentioning the three newcomers first and foremost no one else isn't thinking that already they're assuming that somebody that came into the game is going to be a traitor we're shocked that Nobody was like, oh, well, we banished Rob first. So he's probably coming for us now. Until Derek said it tonight.

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it seems so obvious. And like I said, I think it's better when the traders look like they're not a united front. If I'm in the trip, I'm literally telling the other trader, vote. If my name comes up tomorrow, as long as you don't think it's the majority, throw me a vote. Let's not look like we're working together. But these people are not playing smart.

I think this is the dumbest past we've seen so far of the three. seasons. I can't tell you one person that I think is playing really good right now. I think Derek is playing good in the sense of I'm getting the traitors, but same thing. He's going to get murdered eventually. So that's not playing the win. Carolyn, I guess, is playing the best. I would say Carolyn's the best. She's the best right now. Whether she means to do it or not, it doesn't really matter because she's forced into that position because of the other traders. Well, because she feels so alienated and isolated and it's clearly something that she's dealt with her whole life, as she says, like, you know, I've always been the quirky one. So it's now

because it's personal for her, it takes on a different image of what it means when it's personal for Danielle, because it's personal for Carolyn and she feels discarded once again. So now you can you can literally feel her emotions as she's going through this. And like everyone in that house does too. So they are also on Carolyn's side where it's like, yeah, she's clearly on the up and up. So she has the upper hand, I think, on everybody. And I think that if Austin Robb wants to try to make it work in this game and wants to have a different approach. He's going to have to let Carolyn speak her mind get involved.

I don't think he hasn't in him to let that happen. I think he needs to control the turret. But I fucking love that we end the episode with Carolyn going, we're just got to go after Danielle now, to her face. I'm like, fuck, yeah. Like, let her know. Hell yeah. That shit.

It was such a good way to, yeah. It was a great episode, truly. It was a really great episode. It was really good. Probably the last episode thus far. I agree with that, yeah. It was the most drama. It was the most, like, the gameplay is still too erratic for me.

I need some more concise decisions going on. And I think that eventually, you know, this chaos theory, as I like to call it, it will not work after a certain point. And I think once we get down to a new trader, maybe two new trade, can you tap in one new trader, correct? So I think that when that happens, that's going to shift everything. And I think the decision that they make on who they bring in is, going to decide the game that will be the deciding factor because they need to pick somebody that that throws it off and we got questions from our audience for you uh brand to go through but before we

do that i want to ask you you got at 12 so we'll ask you one question all right okay here's my question from me if you were going to tap a trader who are you picking from the faithfuls um shit maybe dylan i like dylan i think dylan's a good one yeah because he's also not causing a bunch of yeah not causing a bunch of chaos he's smart enough i think to play the trader card

um i think you'd be helpful especially if i mean it's not like he knows who invites him but if if he says yes and it's caroline who he's already friends with i think they would work well together i agree with that we'll do one question Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm Carolyn picking Dylan. I like that.

From Destiny, Michelle, this is good because we all got our Eagle stuff on. Which Eagles player would be a good traitor? Oh. I think Jordan Maylada. Oh, I like Jordan. That's a good one. Jalen Hertz would be really funny because he shows no emotions. He'd be a tech trader to crack.

No, fuck that, dude. Give me Slay. Big play Slay would be a delight to watch on this show. He'd be awesome. No, no, dude, C.J. G.J. Oh, my God. Yeah, he'd be great. I think that.

I think Sipon could do it too. The whole team. He's so nice, though. Sequin's so nice that I think that would be a detriment. Carolyn's really nice, too, you know. That's a good point. That's a good point. I think we need to reach out to the Eagles and get this moving.

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We'll get you on for a reunion episode. Yeah, we will do that. We'll do that. And in the meantime, we will get our Cheetah pants in solidarity and march on Fidot. Underwear, everything. I'll be Cheetah. Oh, yeah, pal. All right, dude.

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