Bros & Shows - I’ve Decided Not to Tell you feat. Asher (and Erika)- RHOBH S12E12

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

On this episode we got some new allegations against Erika to dive into. Then we recap the Austen and Chef Rachel drama before jumping into the finale of RHUGT. Meanwhile Shep is still Shepping… We top it off with RHOBH and get serenaded by Asher and Erika. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of The Brav Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody, for who has... ever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one, the only shooter-mogooder shoots. How are we tonight? Doing great. It's a great week, great week for me, because the birds are back in training camp. Football season is back, and I'm excited to have both Bravo and football, just going simultaneously. I'm going to be glued to the TV. I'm going to have a whole setup, I think. I'll have one TV with Red Zone on and one TV with Bravo on, and that will be

my Sundays for the foreseeable future. You just got to catch up on everything that's going on during the week while watching some sports. I mean, that's what life's all about. It's really an exciting time. We are back recording episode 12, as usual. It was a crazy week. We got lots of great feedback.

The biggest feedback we've gotten that's actually super helpful was about the audio. And we have since fixed these issues, but we really appreciate the feedback. I'm going to go back and fix up those other ones because despite what many of you may think, I am not an audio engineer and I'm learning as I go. So I do appreciate the feedback. So thank you to all our listeners for helping us out. And those of you that like to listen to us, especially when you're getting ready for some sleepy time because I know that we have good tones for that.

We've got multiple comments about bedtime voices. Yeah. And that's not going to change. We're going to, that'll stay. That's just our tones. So don't worry about any of that. we'll still be here for you at night. Yeah.

Men of the night. I actually thought of you on Saturday night. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Can this one off to a roaring start? Let's hear it. I was cooking a private dinner.

And for dessert, I did a roasted acorn squash with butter and cinnamon. And do you know what kind of squash and acorn squash is? A fall squash? It's a winter squash. Oh. So now you have an answer to that question from the shopping, trip with Whitney and Patricia, a winter squash, one of them being an acorn squash. If I'm ever on Jeopardy, I'll remember that one.

But now that I gave you a, uh, like a happy story, I have a bone to bake with you. And that is, if you leave my front door open again when you come over to record this thing, I'm going to fucking slap you because I have 15 bugs in my house now all surrounding my TV. And I'm going to have to go around and kill all of them. And it's a fucking nightmare. So shut the goddamn door. Well, I'll tell you this. I am told that I need to sneak in, make as little noise as possible for various reasons between your dog, your daughter's here now.

Yep. Devin's upstairs. Your wife. I feel like we're kind of having an affair at sometimes. Like, I sneak out the back door when we're done. He does. He does legitimately sneak out the back door. No lights turn on.

There's no floodlights or anything. I'm just sneaking through the dark, man of the night. Yeah, it feels a little bit like a little nefarious. Neferi. Neferi. oh wow if we have like a lifetime movie it would be called nefarious but a fair would be highlighted in the middle nefarious yeah i think that works out yep i love a good wordplay a couple of old high school friends back in their hometown christmas time for whatever fucking reason it's always christmas time

we had some shit pop off this week some uh pretty major news um i kind of thought we were starting to settle down with the erika jane stuff but a fucking landmine just went off um the new lawsuit she got served while she was walking out of the airport um it was all over instagram so allegedly this is a 50 million dollar lawsuit over they believe that she was complicit in a scheme that tom jarty had namely the families of the victims of the Lionair crash were awarded a settlement. And her role in the whole thing was to elicit kind of this lifestyle of glam and, like, just luxurious, super successful lifestyle in order to trick their clients into believing

that Gerardi Kese is a super successful law firm. That's a really hard thing to say, super successful law, sorry. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I mean, let me just say this first off. I'm a huge fan of the overly public servings. Yeah, me too.

Like, it brings me back to Olivia Wilde was giving an award, and Jason Zudakis served her for custody papers right on stage while she was done. I love that, please, because it makes everything reality TV. It's so funny. And, like, this is, like, why we like to watch Bravo, because we see these things unfold in front of us, and then we get the news stories afterwards. But, like, you throw some celebrities in there when that happens.

It's so funny. Like, what, she gets off a plane, they knew where she was. They figured out, like, all right, she's getting off this plane here and this terminal, served her right then and there, very public, very funny. But, I mean, for Erica, it's more of the same. I mean, it seems like these increments are just getting thrown out. Like, there's $50 million here. She's getting sued again because she is, she has these diamond earrings that are valued at $1.4 million.

And they're saying that when Tom bought them for her, he used that fund to do that. and I guess it was like 2013, used the fund to buy those earrings, which again, I don't understand how they're figuring out this money was used for this, this money was used for that. But all of these things keep popping up and it's just piling up so much on Erica to the point where it's like, she's got to eventually just be like, oh, another one, another one. Like, it's got to get like a little boring after a while, honestly. But I mean, if it wasn't so scary, you'd be like, fuck this. Like, this is so stupid enough.

And it brings us back. And it's like, yeah, I mean, do I think that she was complicit in the whole thing? fuck yeah absolutely i think she knew since day one i mean i think it's it's hard to argue that point as far as like the specifics of it um i don't know that's that's a little different like this lawsuit's not just for her this lawsuit is like multiple people that were involved in this she just got highlighted because obviously her relationship with tom so it's a little easier to point the finger i guess but thank god for our man zach from Hashtag no filter with Zach Peter.

He actually, because I posted this, an Instagram post, and Zach actually messaged me and said that it's a lot of kind of hearsay and it's not super credible. And then he actually posted a video, which I watched. And it was like kind of diving into the logistics of the whole thing. And now that I've read into it a little bit and done some more research and like listen to Zach, it is kind of a shot in the dark. it seems like it's almost like you said more of the same. Do I think she's complicit?

I don't know. I want to think she's not because I've enjoyed her this season. And I want her to have not known. And that's new because last year I didn't feel that way. And now I feel differently. So I kind of hope that she's telling the truth. Time will tell like we'll get to the bottom of it eventually in some way, shape or form. I do know that she's appealing now giving the earrings back.

Yeah, I saw that. And it is kind of like what we talked about a few weeks ago. the show um with nicholas cage's wife or ex-wife her name escapes me right now but her then suing erika for this like i i do think it's it's kind of what zach said to you where it is all just hearsay and it is all kind of just like grasping at straws like all right we didn't get the settlement that we wanted from gerardy keese we're going to go after another company that's you know a shell company if you will of them that they're funneling money through and go after erika because she and let's face it. I mean, she has a spotlight on her with this show, with the lifestyle that she's

led for 15, 20 years in the spotlight. She's an easy target. It's expensive to be me, baby. It fucking sure as hell is now. Jesus. And like, if she can play it that cool, like you said, like she's just kind of now rolling with the punches. Like, oh, another one, another one. Like, I cannot imagine being handed a piece of paper that says you owe $50 million if you lose this suit. Like, what the fuck do you do i i think that maybe that's why it's like almost comical you're talking like monopoly money here so she's probably like okay like 50 mil yeah sure buddy yeah there's no way she's going to pay the 50

mill but i mean it's another settlement that you're just going to throw on top of it if it goes through which like how much money do you think she has honestly i wouldn't even be able to guess at this point you know like i i don't know if they had do you think they had like secret accounts probably trust funds that they set up for her something right yeah like time sensitive trust funds that she can get access to as she gets older and, you know, is getting out of these monetary things with like the housewife show where that's got to be her main source of income now. I would imagine and maybe her fashion, maybe like the hair extensions.

No way. She's just getting started and like I think even if you have the following that she does, I still don't know if that's like a guaranteed winner. No, and this is actually a pretty good segue to what we're going to discuss next, depending on how much she is getting paid for the housewife show that money i gotta assume it's just going to not only legal fees but also these settlements that are coming out so she's probably barely breaking even probably crippled in debt so i mean it's kind of sad to see that but it's sad to see it unless she was complicit and if that's the case then fuck you you got like this is what's coming

yeah you made your bed no lying it but yeah you're right and you are right and we'll see how it goes And I mean, if it's one thing that Bravo does well, it's keeping those people in the spotlight. We're going to see it with Jen Chow later this year, all the shit that she's going through, and they're going to have that right on TV. So I assume they'll do the same thing for Erica, assuming she gets to stay. But yeah, with what I was saying about how much she might be making as a housewife, we get into Chef Rachel and below deck and this whole shit storm that just started brewing with her popping off on Twitter going after everybody learning, I guess,

What happened, what I think the straw that broke the countless back there was she learned through whatever back channel how much the Southern Charm cast gets paid, which is a lot. And she's realizing now, all right, below deck doesn't get that kind of money. And apparently below deck is their biggest show, I guess, like viewership wise. Is it really? But is that she was saying? And then other people were backing her up. Is that because of the amount that, like, do those reruns that play all day long? Does that count towards your viewership? If it's syndicated, yeah, probably.

but I mean there's multiple below deck shows not nearly as many housewife shows so it would be like kind of under the same umbrella there's only one southern charm yeah so I really don't know I mean it's all about contract negotiations and she's adding Andy on like every one of her tweets and freaking out and it's a really bad look for Bravo it's a terrible look for Bravo if you're coming at the people that pay you it's like don't bite the hand that feeds you no and it's and it's a step further than what we talked about a couple weeks ago with Rina coming at do buy like keep it keep it in the family like you guys are all under the same full branch of bravo if the one does well you're also going to do well so why don't you just like cheer each other on and like push it but i guess chef rachel wasn't feeling that no she literally tweeted out cheers to the most narcissistic twat on bravo and it's a picture of austin i'm you know a lot of people would agree with that i look do i dispute her claims absolutely not but then it goes on like in that same post She posted the conversation she had with, I guess, a producer or somebody at Bravo. And they DM'd her or messaged or whatever and asked, like, hey, can you not talk about other people on the network like that?

Like, it's not the best look for us. And her response was like, can you tell that, like, coked out, like, asshole pretty much to not be an asshole? She goes on to tell this story about, I guess, Austin was in, Tampa or Fort Lauderdale or one of the two and they met up and he was such a dick and you got to wonder if it was like if it might be dating oriented like why did they did they meet up because there was a Bravo thing going on or did they meet up because they started talking I don't know like I in my mind knowing Austin knowing Austin or what I've seen of Austin on television I'm assuming that he saw her a

few times on TV. I was like, oh, she's cute and, like, hit her up to try to, like, make a move or, like, put the moves on her. That's just my impression. Is that what happened? Who the fuck knows? That takes us into a finale of Ultimate Girls Trip. I was sad to see them go.

I was sad to see this cast go. I really, really enjoyed myself with these ladies. I'm not going to lie. That sounds like fucking horrible. Jesus, dude. God damn it. Phrasing tonight is not strong. I am struggling.

I'm on the struggle bus. Let me rephrase that. I really enjoyed this season of Ultimate Girls Trip. I thought that this cast was wonderful. But we dive right into it. It's the morning after that wild night and everyone's kind of waking up. Half of them are super hungover. Brandy looks like she's been through war.

like she still got the spark the dress on the hair's all fucked up and she like strolls downstairs and Jill's making or attempting to make banana bread failing to make banana bread yeah it was there was a horrendous attempt of banana bread and I felt bad because she was like everyone loved my banana bread I'm going to make some more banana bread and she falls very short doing that but the funniest part of that whole scene is she goes into the kitchen and is like getting everything prepped and ready and somebody's there putting together like a veggie tray and she's like giving them directions and the woman cuts her off because I know how to do it like yeah you scoop this shit out and put it in a bowl and you line these things up around out you fuck off lady yeah we just we just watched

you crash and burn trying to make banana bread so now you have nothing better to do than to come over here and tell us how to do our job micromanage us yeah like get the fuck out of the kitchen jill like you're i think that's just her like there's no other housewives in this room right now I'm going to make myself known, bam, thirsty Jill. It is funny because like the way that that happened, like that, assuming that that night went super late, which we did see like some bits and pieces later with a pizza party and all this shit. I fucking love the pizza party. Yeah, it's great.

I felt like I was one of them. Oh, wow. That's, it was great. And it was like it looked like a long struggling night where people are drinking heavily and dancing and making out. And then Jill gets up at eight. eight in the morning and wants to just make banana bread and it brings me back i saw this meme recently that said i hate people that don't know how to be hung over they wake up after a full night of drinking we're up till three and they say let's go on a kayak somewhere let's go like

floating on a river or something and like no just let me sleep in yeah no and and and lo and behold they have a canoe trip planned they do and they they get there i thought that the fear of the canoes was mind-boggling to me. Like, they're fucking canoes. It's not a whitewater rafting. Like, it's not some scary adventure you're going on. You're taking canoes out into a lake. And they're looking at these things

and the way that they're talking to each other, it's like, you would think that they're about to go cliff jumping or something. Well, it was funny at first because it was supposed to be Fajer and Eva on the same canoe. and they both looked at each other like I don't I don't know no the they got the one canoe that didn't have the fancy seats in it and they're both like oh fuck this canoe like we're not getting in this piece of shit and the two of them were already like I don't know if I even want to do this to begin with Fager's sitting down just like staring and even like I don't know what are we going to do all right we'll switch it up and then they're like crashing into each other it's fine it's safe whatever it's fun but it is funny because they I guess they take the canoe across to the other side of the lake and then they have lunch somewhere over there like a picnic lunch but it's at a table and i kind of realized every single time that they sit down to have a meal outside it looks exactly the same it's just one like long wooden table it's like a bench chairs it's the same shit every single time and i'm like are they just transporting this table with them everywhere wow i was like what the it like you kind

want to see i know it's the adirondacks you kind of want to see a little bit of the outdoors and stuff and I'm like, this is the same damn table every time. Wow, what a conspiracy. It is just, I mean, this is, again, an insight into how my mind works, but I see these things all the time, and I'm like, I know it's not the same table. There's no fucking way. They've driven like this way, this way, this way, whatever. I'm like, it looks like the same fucking table every time.

I don't know. I guess. The mystery of the picnic table. I guess we'll never know. I mean, knowing Dorinda is probably a table from Bluestone Manor so she can have a piece of Bluestone Manor everywhere they go. No matter what, she's going to be in charge. No matter what, she's going to be in charge.

Yeah, and she was weird this episode because she's preaching, like, happiness and everyone would be nice to each other. Like, Fager saved the day. She saved the trip. Like, thank you for making me realize I was being an asshole pretty much. And then when they get to dinner, like, everyone's cool, calm, and collected. We finally have, I feel like they need more episodes because they just hit their stride. Like, I felt like this episode was the most cohesive.

I don't think they need any more episodes. I think we got enough. Yeah, well, you, it's weird to me that you weren't, like, a big fan of this franchise. I liked, I think I liked in total two episodes. Really? I think the rest was just kind of annoying and, like, they didn't do much. And, I mean, we talked about it with Tamara, like Tamara got a job back. I don't think she deserved it.

I don't think any of them really deserved it. Fager is great. But, you know, they show the scenes from her on Atlanta, and she's actually a different person on Atlanta. and I remember like not really even liking her the bits and pieces that I saw on Atlanta and then obviously she had a little time away from the camera she came back she's great but now that I'm thinking about I'm like I don't really need any of these women on camera anymore wow I think I'm kind of over it and it's funny because at the end they're like I would do this trip again I would and Eva was just like no I'm all right I don't need to and I get that and I also don't need to see Eva anymore it's fine but I don't really think any of them like I'm watching the actual like the real house or wives of wherever and they're fun they're like no matter what even even the down episodes were better than pretty much every episode of this that's a bold statement i don't think that's gonna sit well with a lot of our listeners it's okay i don't you know guys ruin shooter this week that's fine right i'll post specific things so you can just come after it's fine i say disagree i say

the hard thing so that other people won't have to i wow what a martyr well good for you pal yeah fucking unbelievable anyway i think think that it was really good. I really enjoyed it. I thought that they had a really good rapport this last episode. I thought, you know, other than that moment at dinner when Durinda like lashes out of Brandy because Brandy thinks everyone's cool. Which is fine. I thought that was entirely fine that Brandy did that. Like it was a goof. Like get over it. That's it. And like that's, that's the sign of like, hey, things are cool now guys. Like we're all in a good place. Like, hey, Derinda, stop yelling at people. Which by the way, Durinda, stop fucking yelling at people. But how the

fucking get bent out of shape like that and then you come at her so hard and this is when I remembered like I had flashbacks to Roney when Derinda would get fucked up and like the way she comes after like we saw it a little bit in Ultimate Girl's trip like with Jill like calling her weak and stuff like that but this was like a very specific moment where like the backlash was so not on par with what was said like Brandy was goofing around and Derinda goes off the rails, like, oh, was that a shirt or a dress? And then she goes, you know, with that shirt, oops, I mean dress. Like, you're pretty much slut-shaming the woman because she told you to stop yelling.

Yeah, because she was having a good time. And Dorenda gets, like, offended because she says, I was nice enough to have you guys in my house. Like, fuck you. The only reason you had them in your house is because you want to get back on a show. Yeah, the producers also, by the way, said, hey, we're going to use your house. You didn't go, Andy, we're going to use my house, and that's the way it's going to be. Like, you may have presented the idea, but again, like, they made the choice, Dorenda.

Like, you're not the fucking captain of this ship, regardless of what you think. And, like, she made Brandy cry. Yeah, I was pissed. Yeah, I was kind of pissed off, too. Just because, like, you said, like, we kind of, and we still ended up getting that final, like, all right, everybody's good, everybody's friends, whatever. But it didn't feel as genuine anymore. No, no, because of that. And to be honest, I don't know if it ever would have felt really genuine.

You see, I think it was Tamara and Brandy were talking about like Instagram. And Tamara was like, well, I've got you blocked on Instagram actually. No, she unblocked her. And then she's like, oh, I unblocked you a couple days ago, though. Yeah, because she said, you know what, Brandy? You're just misunderstood. And I was like, you know what? She really is.

I really think she is because I don't think anything she says is meant to be malicious. Is that an excuse? No, like you still can't say. hurtful mean things to people but like she really never means it bad i don't think she just has no fucking filter just comes out the one person i actually ended up really feeling for and it was a shock to me was vicky when she was in her room with tamra and also by the way tamara's reactions to vicky going through struggles is hysterical because she's so nonchalant like all right vicky Like, yeah, I know your life sucks right now.

Like, yeah, I know he left you and he's leaving the house. A lot of friends would say, like, oh, man, that's really hard. I'm so sorry. Like, you went on a trip and your husband just moved out of the house after saying, like, you guys are done. Or boyfriend, whatever. But Tamara's like, yeah, what did you expect? Like, he told you that you were done. Like, yeah, he's got to move his shit out.

Vicky, like, get over it pretty much. And Vicki is, like, opening up. And I really felt... bad because it was such a genuine moment. She's like, I don't know what the future holds. Like, my life's a fucking question mark. Everything I've known for a long time right now is gone. And I'm scared.

And I don't know what to do. And Tam was like, okay, Vicki. Like, it's not a big deal, dude. I was just like pushing her along because she's, well, this is the other thing is they, I think they shared a room. And I think that they probably, they came together. So she's probably just tired. I mean, it's been eight straight days.

and Vicki's probably only really been harping on Tamara. I know, sure. It does get annoying after, you know, a friend breaks up with somebody. You're there for them in the beginning. But if they keep harping on it and going and going, you're like, all right, enough. We're good. I think that's different, though, when you're like, she's about to turn 60 years old. Like, the prospect of maybe not meeting somebody else has to be very daunting.

Like, it's different for you and I. Like, it's different for people our age. Like, yeah, you can, like, see the light at the end of the tunnel if something goes really wrong. Like, if you're hitting 60 and you're going through a breakup with someone you thought was forever, like, that's got to be earth shattering. And Tamara is pretty much like, yo, get over it. It's not like fucking move on already. It's been eight days, dude. That's not like an extended period of time.

Well, we do also know the backstory of the relationship. I mean, the dude was living in her house in Mexico for six months and doing whatever the fuck he was doing and not answering and refusing to come up to see her. so like if you knew that like there's writing on that wall there's a lot of writing it's not like she was blindsided maybe she feels blindsided but she wasn't blindsided I don't think it softens the blow I think it does I feel bad for I really good that's a good 180 though because you hated her episode one oh yeah felt bad for at the end same thing like I mean you go through ups and flows with these things and it is like it's just so funny and I'll say it again we see these things and like when vicky was going off on that I'm like oh my god enough

Vicky like shut up but it's been a week like we do this every time I do it for fucking for Beverly Hills like the Doreet thing I'm like oh my god Doreet fucking enough and then something pops up and it's like four hours ago I'm like oh my god she was held at gunpoint like 12 hours ago and I'm already tired of her talking because it's six weeks later for me yeah so it's like it's so tough with these time frames but this show simplified it because it's eight days and I still got tired of things that happened on day two that were still coming up on day seven and I'm like shut up I'm over it poor poor poor Vicki but they did like I don't know they go through these things with like the games that they were playing the word association

games where Vicky gets self-involved and she takes it as a compliment she's too self-involved to realize that self-involved is an insult yeah but you could also you could also see that they're all like kind of together because I think it was Brandy that immediately said oh that's like that's not a compliment. That's not a compliment. And normally in, you know, day one, Brandy says that everybody jumps down Brandy's throat. But you could see like Fager, Eva, everyone else in their confessionals is like, oh, Vicky, like self-involved means selfish. And they're all like kind of backing up Brandy. It's like, that's an interesting change of events. More that I guess Derinda. And clearly Durinda is the one that wrote it. Because she's like so snide in her

confessional that like she can't help herself. Like she's got to take those jobs. She's just a mean person. She's mean-spirited. And I've taken so many, maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much because of my, like, the emotional roller coaster that I went on because episode one, yay, Darynda's back. Yay, she's the narrator. This is dope. Episode two. Now, Dorenda stop. Episode eight, felt bad for Vicky. Hated Dorenda. So, I don't know. I mean. Do they achieve something during this show for you? They moved me. Bravo moved me. Well, done, guys. yeah I think it was overall I think it was entertaining at times I think more than anything it was a good time filler one out of ten what do you give it four four yeah

fuck you four I don't know you know that's soft what I yeah it is a soft four that's that's brutal I give it I give it a seven seven I think you're too nice I don't think so I think our our listeners are going to agree with me I'm going to ask them yeah all right you guys back me up yeah we'll put a poll out there we'll see yeah you're to back me, you want to back steal. Yeah, I mean, the answer is obvious. But anyway, that takes us right into Southern Charm, and I like this episode.

I'm starting to vibe a little bit more with the Southern Charm, starting to be able to look past some of the things that I really hate about it. There's still a lot that grinds my gears in this episode, obviously did because it was very, like, Shep-centric. But before we get to Shep, I thought that it was an, like, Really, really interesting interaction between Olivia and Vanita. Like, that was bizarre. I didn't think that the conversation did anything, except piss both of them off.

It did. And I actually, I want to commend Olivia because I actually, I really don't like Vanita that much. And I thought that Vanita's anger was actually towards Madison because of inviting Olivia and Catherine. And also pretty much just having a backdoor engagement. party for everybody to come over and be like oh yeah happy birthday also you're engaged this is so great hey vanita's here too that's awesome it's benita's birthday next day but she brings olivia over there first of all before you even get to that how about when she says let's go talk and she goes you got this and she's like yeah i know i got this you don't need words of encouragement to go argue with

somebody or like do whatever you're doing but she goes over and she starts talking to her and Olivia was like not backing down like like sunglasses on sunglasses off which I always think is funny but she sits there and like Vanita's talking to her and again I still don't understand where Vanita's coming from because she starts talking about Olivia or Olivia she starts talking about Naomi's party and how she felt like Olivia came over there with like bad intentions talking about whatever and she didn't she was just saying what happened and then Vanita jumped down her throat, but then apologize afterwards and said, you know, I don't like to do that. Like, I understand what it's like to have people gang up on you like that.

Like, I really wouldn't want that to happen. And I've just met you. So, like, I don't want any bad intentions. But then she shows up at the fucking party. And she's like, you and I need to go talk. I was actually, what? Yeah, I was confused when that went down last week. Like, I didn't understand what the fuck happened.

I was like, I thought you guys squashed this already. Like, there's still drama here. They took me by surprise. and then fast forward to the actual conversation. And she came in way too hot. And again, I think that her anger was more focused, like one, at Madison, like you said, for the invite list. And two, at Catherine. Like, I think that's the root of the anger.

And now she's taking it out on Olivia, which made no sense to me. But when you fast forward this episode a little bit and they get to that conversation where she's talking with Leva, she does say, like, she kind of puts her foot in her mouth when it gets to these, like, tough conversations. like she comes in weird like she literally says like i don't i don't come into these conversations the right way but she started the conversation very like inorganically brought her aside like you would think you got this if you're going to do this if you're going to take someone aside and this is your idea to do this you're going to have some sort of plan of action right you should you absolutely she didn't she just like like kept going back and forth and arguing and olivia's just like what like

what are we even talking about here like why are we doing this and then the end of it like you said the solution or resolution or lack thereof was nothing well i guess you know what we can't really do this let's go back to the party we'll have another discussion another time yeah because we need to yeah let's just prolong this thing about nothing i don't understand what it's got to just be i think she's just catching strays because of katherine and that's fine like vina's well within her right to have her issues with katherine for what katherine did last season and the season before but i mean olivia is not really at fault there so you can't get mad at her at her about it just for association.

So it's kind of dumb and stupid. And again, I think that all of her anger is towards Madison and she's taking it out of other people. Yeah, no, I definitely agree with that. But the boys were going up to Charlotte this week. They're moving Austin's family out of his childhood home. But Austin's got a big deal with one of the distributors in Charlotte, like a ton of stores, like a huge move for his company.

And I will say this, and like, as we know, I am not an Austin fan. However, I was rooting for him in this moment. I thought that this would be a big deal for him, maybe to push him forward in his life. Like, if he signs this deal, like, that's big news. So I was actually shockingly, like, oh, like, cool. Like, I hope he gets this deal. But before they leave, Shep has a conversation with Taylor. You know, and it's, they're kind of going back and forth very lightly.

And he's like, yeah, you know, we're going to Charlotte. And, like, there's all these bars that we're going to go to afterwards. Like, we're going to pretty much, we're going to go party afterwards. And she is very hesitant. She's like, okay, be good. And that lit the match. And Shep fucking goes off. Like, don't start.

Don't start. Like, here we go again. Like, blah, blah, blah. And, like, goes, I need five minutes and goes behind closed doors and starts to yell. Like, we can't keep doing this. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, Okay, timeout.

You cheated on her. This is the fallout. She caught you cheating. So this is what happens now. When you go out without her, she's going to be skeptical. Like, you made your bed. You got to lie in it. Like, if you want this to continue forward.

And as we know, Shep doesn't do that. That's not how Shep's mind works. No. He thinks that he made his penance up and he's done. it's over with now he should just be fully trusted no matter what he does and and look i mean it just kind of points again to the fact that shep just shouldn't be in a relationship if that's what he's going to do if you're going to get pissed off you made bad mistakes and she's stuck with you the least you can do is as you know give her a little bit of backup when it comes to these things

and be like look i'll let you know how everything's going i'll be on my best behavior like give her the fucking break that she gave you. Some support. Like, hey, I know, I know that this is tough, but hey, I'm different now. Like, I'll text you, I'll keep you updated. Like, we're just going to have some drinks. Like, me and the boys are

hanging out. There's a way to go about it in which you don't look like a total douche. He went the opposite direction. Yeah, he's not interested in that. No, he's not. And it's because she, like, if you challenge Shep at anything, he will do the exact opposite. Like, that's what I've learned. If you tell

ship not to jump he's going to jump just to piss the other person off seemingly and it's like it's so fucking childish and i say it every fucking week like he's such a fucking child it's hard to watch and then they get to this bowling alley and after like we find out that austin signed him like they're actually super stoked to even have him present this to them they're like we want this period like that was the intro to the meeting so like good for him and craig's there too so oh and we also had a little Craig and Page check-in. Yeah, we had two of it. We had a FaceTime check-in, which was pretty much nothing, where he said that he should

have said, I love you. He said, I said, I almost said, I love you. Oh, I thought he said I should have. No, he said. That's different. I almost said, I love you, but I didn't. That's different than I should have said, I love you. Oh, all right.

That means that he felt he should have said, I love you, but felt that he should not say I love you. Well, as we've seen with their relationship over now two shows, baby steps everywhere. I mean, it's whatever. If they're happy, they're happy, that's fine. And as you all know, we now love Page. Oh, yeah, we love Page now. We call us the Dessor Bros.

That works, actually. But, yeah, we get them sitting down at the bar, I guess just having a couple of drinks before lunch, talking about whatever, and the topic of Naomi comes up, which, I don't know. Every time that the topic of Naomi comes up and he's talking to Paige, I kind of look for a reaction from her to see something. And I really don't think that she knows that they hooked up in Vegas. I just, I don't know. Oh, that's your vibe? Yeah, I keep getting the vibe because she doesn't look. I mean, we just talked about Taylor and Shep.

Shep's going out in the city. She's like, okay, be good. Craig has a full discussion with Paige about, well, what about like, you know, if me and Naomi went out and got lunch or dinner or something, just one-on-one. Obviously, Paige is going to be like, no. Which is such a weird thing to even, like, present. Oh, it's the lawyer in him. That was the best thing I've heard.

I don't know what the fuck that means. What a lawyer thing to say. Look, I'm a litigator. You get it. Yeah, you understand. I got to keep both parties happy. Why? Yeah.

And like, I mean, I get it to the, to the extent that they are castmates. Like, they're on the same TV show. There might be an event in which they have to have a one-on-one. Yeah, but it won't be dinner. No, you don't have to present it. Like, what if we grab drinks? Like, no, bro. Like, you guys just fucked, like, a few months ago.

And this is what I'm getting is when she, when he's talking about Naomi, me page said a couple of weeks ago on i think it was the first episode yeah i'd be a little concerns like if you weren't on good terms with an ex because then i'd be like well what the hell happened in that relationship that you guys aren't cool anymore but i mean there's good terms and then there's having dinner one-on-one with an ex but even the thought i feel like page if she knew would have shut it down way more than she did to the point where i'm like maybe i really don't know if she knows or maybe she has an inkling she knows now because the show is aired so like in your theory when did she find out probably after the show you think or maybe like

the end of the season or something i mean again the time frames on these things are always skewed and we actually now know after our episode last week that chef and taylor broke up now apparently they are back together or they or they never broke up who the fuck knows but yeah dumb move by both of them really i mean no one wins nobody wins there yeah you guys were better off let shep go be a man child with whoever and like go about your life Taylor like don't go back to that guy back to the boys out and about they're you know drinking there at a bowling alley and shepp's telling them like what's going on and by the way during this whole interaction Taylor is texting him pretty much apologizing like for why she's concerned and she's like

you know, I'm sorry that, like, I have these feelings, like, I'm sorry, like, whatever. Why the fuck is she the one that's trying to, like, smooth this over? Meanwhile, Shep goes to the bathroom briefly, and we get a little conversation between Austin and Craig, and Craig's like, he's concerned not because she doesn't trust him. He's concerned because he's afraid she's going to keep digging, and it's not just a campfire. There's accelerant and landmines all around this shit. And if she keeps digging, it's going to go up in flames. Yeah, and they hint at, like, knowing more than anyone else.

Way more. So they know more than anything. No, they hint at everybody knowing except for Taylor. Yeah, so that, I mean, that's just a bad situation. And during that whole exchange, and it is like, it's like a touch of like Stockholm syndrome, honestly. Like, she's in this relationship, just had that whole pregnancy scare where she was like, maybe I can turn Shep into an actual man, doesn't work. Why is she still with him?

but she's still clinging on, still with him. And now she's the one apologizing. There's no chance in hell that he's apologizing back. Absolutely not. He sends a selfie of him and the boys out. He's probably just like, ah, don't worry about it. It's okay. Instead of being like, look, I'm sorry for like escalating the situation.

I'm sorry for doing it in the first place and giving you that gas to keep going and that uncertainty that you have every time that I leave the city. I'm sorry for my end of it. He's not self-aware enough to have that conversation. I don't know. I think he's self-aware. I just don't think he gives a shit. Oh, you think it's just complete disregard for anybody else?

Anybody but himself. I think, I mean, that's definitely part of it. But I don't think he's capable of that mature of a conversation. And fast forward, like, all of this shit is going on with your girlfriend. Where is he? He's taking shots at the bar with some chick. Did you ever wake up in prison the next day? Yeah.

What a line. Are you fucking kidding me? And she said, yeah. I know. And he's at, what? Let's do a shot. Let's do a shot, man. lemon drops bro like first off that's the other thing i wanted to touch on they do these i i fucking

hate lemon drops but they also do yeager shots and i'm like what are you guys are 40 they were drinking red bull vodkas bad for your heart it's terrible for your heart at any age let alone when you're 40 getting blacked out like they start the night off in austin's like 99% chance getting blacked out tonight like who i well you know what that's okay for austin because he did just land the big business deal he wants to go celebrate he has no regard for anything else whatever he's barely even in I wouldn't even say it's in a relationship with Olivia

he's talking to her he's in a talking stage that conversation oh yeah well he's in a talking stage with her so fine for him to do that Craig doesn't say a word really Craig just smiles laughs whatever maybe he's going to drink chef's like all right Tuesday night for me

yeah let's go I don't do anything else anyway so fuck it he just reminded me Austin was talking to I almost said Madison because he won't shut the fuck up about Madison. When Austin's talking to Olivia, every single time they've been together,

the conversation goes to Madison. You want to know the worst way to start off, like their first date alone together? Well, Olivia did bring it up this time. So I will, like she asked him about her engagement. And then he went the fuck off. That's the thing, though. You have to have like the presence of mind to be like,

touch on it and move on. Touch on it. I think if you're Olivia, you just, don't talk about it well yeah but like if i'm olivia and all of my past interactions have featured madison i'm going to poke a little bit and try to find out like hey can you get the fuck over this or is this going to be a constant thing yeah that's a good point throw the bait out there and see what happens yeah you know like set him up and oh he fucked it up again like time and time again and i i think that obviously they're together now so like it must have sorted itself out we might

see that process throughout the season i'm actually curious if there's like a moment in which this kind of comes to a head and she's like look dude what the fuck that's what it looks like for next week i mean they're at a party and it looks like madison shows up and austin just like clams up and starts talking about her again and livid he's like are we going to do this every time oh i didn't see so yeah so we do get something addition to this sequence which has been pretty rough but yeah i mean them out at the bowling alley ordering like chicken and cassidias and like fingers and stuff and Shep talking about not putting

his fingers and bowling balls and whatever I mean it was nice and I think this is actually kind of like why you liked this episode a little bit more it was good there was a little bit of drama with everything going on there was a little bit of like talk about Chef's Pass and stuff but overall like it was a boys trip

as a bros being bros yeah boys in the city and they called it the big city which is kind of funny because they come from Charleston to Charlotte which you know whatever if that's the biggest city near you go for it but that takes us into the meat and potatoes the Beverly Hills the Rob and it wasn't a crazy episode not a whole lot popped off we intro back at the Christmas party and Erica's getting bombed again shocker but we had an Asher performance we got to hear our boy sing

I thought you're probably going to disagree with me entirely, but I thought his voice was incredible. I was completely fine with him singing. It was a Christmas, well, holiday song, whatever you want to say. I thought he looked good. No, he does not. I thought he looked good in his red jacket. In Renna's outfit? Yeah.

No, he didn't. I thought he looked better than Renna would than that. Oh, I firmly disagree. I think she would look fucking phenomenal. No, I thought he put on a, good performance. I thought it was fine. This was his party from the jump. We knew this. Diana took a backseat and said he's the one who's going to do all of this. Let him have his moment to shine. And he shone. Here's my fucking problem. I'm not debating the talent. Unfortunately,

I wanted him to get up there and be like very mediocre. I didn't want him to be bad. I wanted him to be very subpar, just average as fuck, because I wanted him to be like this guy that oh, I studied Broadway and oh, I'm a musician and blah, blah, blah. And then he's just so average that it's like, okay, guy. Like, just because you sing

karaoke better than other people does not make you a musician. However, he is great to the point where the majority of the room is in tears. Now, this is my problem. Well, and actually, let's just use this as a little step back. When the pastor comes out

in Ultimate Girl's trip. Oh, he was fucking awesome. He was awesome. It was awesome. Every single franchise needs him, like, just on call to come in and, like, squash shit because he was great. Hold on. I have notes. Oh, uh-oh.

There were more, it was fucking weird. It was awkward. There were more performers than there were girls there. So they were all sitting there crying their eyes out. I mean, it was great. It was beautiful, whatever. They were having a good time. It was just weird, though.

Then they're up there, like, dancing with them all. there's like 10, 12 performers up there. And then the seven girls in there. It was just weird. And I'm like, this is such an odd moment. It's a beautiful moment. It's like it's the culmination of all these tumultuous things happening all week. And they all cry and like the bishop was fucking awesome.

He was awesome. I'm not taking away from that. I thought the performance was great. Well, how's that weird? It was just weird that there was six or seven girls up there and they all like started mixing in and like dancing with them all. You're ice cold. If I walked out of a bar, or I guess whatever the hell that place was in the middle of nowhere,

and I looked over the railing and I saw that, I'd be like, what the fuck is going on down there? Well, yeah, for sure. If you're not involved in it, but if you're in it, you don't give a fuck what other people think because it's a magical moment. I'm going to quote Sutton, you're soulless. You're an asshole. But anyway, yeah. So, yeah, we'll get back to the topic on hand with Hatcher. Again, weird that everybody's crying.

I don't get it. like it's a good performance it's a good maybe not maybe i've never been moved never been moved yeah they're all crying erika's fucking singing along yelling that was embarrassing she and she made a comment before asher started singing she was talking to him like standing near the the music sheets and reading it and he walks everybody's like no you can't read that get the hell out of here and she was like oh yeah i had my time and somebody else is like oh yeah you had your time with broadway and she was like oh that shit tanked two years ago sits down you think that she's just going to like sit there with the rest of them.

She starts belting it out with Asher. I know. Roughly, might I add. It was, I mean, yeah, she was drunk. She probably has an okay voice. She does. She was on Broadway. I mean, give her credit. Yeah, but I think they paid for her to get on Broadway.

Irrelevant. Like, she was on Broadway. She can at least hold a note. You know what? Maybe she can. Maybe she can't. Okay. She couldn't tonight.

That's for sure. No, she couldn't, but she was also on like four different drugs and 14 different cocktails. But before we get into that, part of this whole thing, my problem with the Asher performance is this. And it's not just him and it's not necessarily his fault. But anytime that there is a dinner party or an event or anything hosted by somebody and the host takes it upon themselves to perform at that event, I think it's fucking stupid. I think it's such a like look at me moment. Like they have to sit down and listen

to you because it's your fucking party. So no matter what, even if you're not great, They're going to clap and act like you're fucking great. Are they going to cry, though? You just said that they were moved and it was a beautiful moment. I said that. Now you're saying it's not. No, fuck you. I always said that the ultimate girls trip was a beautiful moment.

I'm saying that this moved people and you are immovable because you're fucking heartless. That's a different point. My point is it's embarrassing to me for people to host an event and then perform at that event assuming that people give a fuck. Like it's such a weird assumption that you think. think people want to sit down and listen to you perform whether you're great or not and he was he was a fantastic performer it was one song it doesn't matter it's like three minutes of your time but to assume you would join yourself at this party with everything that we paid for how about you take a seat and

listen to me perform one why do you need to sing in front of it's the same thing as given a speech why do you have to give a speech people give speeches all the time if they gave a quick holiday speech like that makes sense like hey everybody just wanted to bring us all together it's been a rough a couple years of COVID. I'm so glad we're all here to celebrate. Sutton's not. That sucks. But let's raise our glasses.

Happy holidays, everybody. Klingk, that's fine. I think you're contradicting yourself. I'm not contradicting myself. They cried. They were moved. It was a good performance and they enjoyed themselves. I'm not knocking the performance itself.

I'm knocking the idea of having a performance to begin with. I'm right. I'm right. All right. but that takes us into like what the whole episode was pretty much about this week and that's Erica and her drinking slash medicine and it's not viving like she embarrassed herself in front of Kathy which I think that the majority of these women their goal is to look classier than usual when they're in the presence of Kathy Hilton like they all seem to try to be on their

best game in front of her just because you know she's Kathy fucking Hilton and she owns the world but she's like falling over drunk she's telling her the same story over and over and over again to the point where Kathy gets up and goes to the other girls like hey this is a fucking

problem and Garcell is like I know I've been saying it like is anybody going to wake the fuck up and Kyle's like it's really dangerous to throw that shit around now as our resident recovering alcoholic it is problematic I thought you were going to say you're resident recovering Kyle Stan.

Oh, that too. There's a lot. I'm having a lot of emotions here. All right. My sobriety date's like three weeks away. So it's like this was a very important episode for me. But she's correct in her dealings with Kim. Like it is problematic to throw labels around because if that person is an alcoholic, then that can further the problem because they start to try to prove you wrong,

which never turns out. Well, that being said, there's a fine line between being. being sympathetic to somebody going through a hard time and letting loose and enabling them. And Kyle is now enabling her because this is a fucking issue. When you have multiple incidents at multiple parties back to back to back where you can't even stand up, that's a fucking problem. Whether she's a full-blown alcoholic or just having a drinking problem at the moment, that's something that needs to be addressed.

And I'm glad that Garcel can kind of stand up and say that to all these women. Like, what the fuck? Are you guys blind? like, why are we not handling this? Rina, the surprise of the century, she handles it really well because in the moment when nothing's going to get accomplished, like she just sits there with Erica, make sure she gets out okay, gets home okay, and then goes to her house and drops the hammer. And I was stunned.

I was proud of Rina. I didn't see it coming. And she's like, look, this is a problem. And she says that her sister died of an overdose, which I had no idea. I guess that, like, obviously people did know that, but I did not. And to hear her take on it was really interesting to me because she talks about how everyone said that her sister didn't have a problem. It wasn't an addiction. And then she overdosed.

So that's why it genuinely was an important episode for me in recovery, not to get too deep, but knowing that whether you think that they have an addiction problem or not, when there is alcohol or drugs and stuff like that being abused as part of a self-medication where you're trying to get through. something with these things and you see it as starting to become a public problem as a friend as a loved one like you need to step up and say yo what the fuck's going on and address the problem so i was like genuinely moved at that moment when rennett spoke up so i was like good for you like fuck yeah and erika heard that or seemingly heard that fast forward she has a drink with garcel but well and what i will say about the drink with garcel and this is you know jumping a little bit but she did try and like I get that like she tried she she ordered a hot tea they didn't have hot tea upstairs so then she got a drink you can't pivot immediately to cognate no but like I don't know

like she's early stages knows that she has a problem knows that she's had a problem with this whether it's the meds or whether it's just drinking full blown she did make the effort and it didn't happen she panicked and got that like I'm I applaud her for actually trying the first one yeah sure you know, baby steps again with this shit but yeah, I mean, she's the only thing that I will say about the Rinna, while Rinna was definitely in the right, and I think that

Eric had definitely heard it and came responded pretty well to what Rinna was saying. I do think that like Garcell's been saying this for weeks. And it falls on deaf ears, nobody says a word. If this comes back to Kyle and Kyle's like, good for you, Renan,

like thank you so much for doing that. I'm going to be fucking livid. will too. I will too because she's trying to sidestep it and not address it. And if she's like, oh, that was awesome. Like, she needed that. I will fucking lose my mind. It's brutal. It's tough. And like, it sucks that we've gotten to a point with Kyle that that's kind of expected. Like, I expect her to jump onto this. Like, yeah, we need to get her straight. Yeah, she just blindly backs her friends and picks and chooses who her friends are. But people like Erica that she will always stick with, she doesn't do what Rina did.

She doesn't have that hard conversation. She just backs them and says, well, you know, it's not, like, even when everybody pointed out, it's been like three, four times in a row, it's getting rough. Kyle still sat there like, yeah, you know, like it did happen a couple of times. Like, it is a little much, but I'd still rather see her like this than I did her last year. It's like, you know, you can separate the two. It is getting tough to watch. It was fun while in Mexico because we got like a little bit of drunk, Eric,

having fun. It's also a girl's trip where it's like not. It's not as serious. I guess it's, I mean, it is serious, but like it's not as serious because it was also the first of many

rather than like the middle of the pack if it was maybe the last of it. You'd be like, all right, Eric is fucked up. But it's not really an excuse for all of her behavior. Like people who use, well,

you know, I was really drunk or I was blacked out as an excuse for the shitty things that they do when she did it to Garcel's sons. And then tonight with, uh, crystal again we get like the tail end of that and the chicken fingers coming out she goes oh you can't eat that like fuck off but like that's no excuse just because you're drunk doesn't mean you can do that and say those things you can get like one half pass like you still have to apologize and you're gonna have to like sit in shame for a while if you do it once no and i do think that like the true erika did show her head a little bit too when she was talking to kathy about paris's wedding yeah and she was like i'm just so sorry i couldn't have gone because i didn't want to bring my baggage to that wedding and then just keep talking about she just talked about herself the whole time and then at the

end she was like but she looked fucking beautiful and it's like okay there you go that's all you had to say you didn't have to talk about yourself for five minutes to get to i hope it was a good ceremony like i'm so sorry that i couldn't go but like you understand and kathy got it kathy's like i get it like no worries at all you sent your invite back cool great awesome and eric is like but about me a little more and how i'm feeling it's like all right enough like whatever but they move from the christmas party And we got essentially no Diana in this episode, which is fine by me. She needs a fucking break. And we moved to Doreet, who I guess was also absent at the Christmas party, right?

Was she getting over COVID or something? I don't know. But she was not memorable. She was there. Yeah, I don't think she was there. But we moved to her talking to P.K. This was great. And P.K.'s thing pops up where I guess a few weeks before, maybe a week after or two weeks

after Dorete had the break in. he gets pulled over on his way back from a business dinner and he's got suspicion of DUI and the tabloids are going crazy with it now this is weeks later apparently they got hold of it and he sits down and it starts off with Derreet inter confessional kind of defending him saying PK went to dinner with some business associates he had a glass of wine then drove home I'm sorry how fucking big was that glass of wine 0.081 for one glass of wine I know like That just mathematically doesn't add up. Absolutely not.

Again, as an alcoholic, that doesn't add up. That math, don't math, baby. That math, don't math. And we do math on this show. We love math. And it just didn't make, it was just funny. It's like in the same breath when she's talking about how he then told her, I wasn't even going to tell you because I didn't want you to worry about everything that was going on.

I wanted you to like not worry about me being out. Nope. He said, I didn't want you to worry that I was late. Well, because she just had the break-in. Oh, that makes more sense. Yeah, because this was a week or two after the break-in. I thought it was like I didn't want to get in trouble for being late. It could also be a little bit of that, honestly.

But, no, I took it as he, she was going to be up worrying about him because of what was just going on. But then the best, the fucking best line that P.K.'s ever had that arguably any house husband has ever had. She's like, don't lie to me. Like, I told you, like, the only thing I'm not cool with is lying. and he said, I didn't lie. I decided not to tell you something. And I was like, that's the best description for a lie. A lie of a mission.

I decided not to tell you something. That's not a lie. No, I mean, she's also lying, though. I mean, there's no right person that has ever drank before that understands how, like a breathalyzer works, that's going to sit there and say, he had one glass of wine. She's lying to us. Unless, like you said, it's a pint, like a megapaint. We're back to the megapoint.

everything comes back but I yeah I thought that sounds pretty funny and him just talking about that we find out in the scene later that he told Mauricio about the whole thing oh yeah because he will tell Moe everything and then take a bullet for him yeah and I thought that was kind of funny

because it's like you're not he probably called him up and was like you're not going to believe this I'm sitting in my car right now I had a bottle of wine between my legs I was guzzling that shit and these guys 16 martinis at dinner Oh, God.

And I think it was like, at one point, somebody said like 4 a.m. too. And I'm like, you had one glass of wine and you're out to 4 a.m. guy? Yeah. And come on. Just be glad that you're rich and they let you sit there and take the test again until you weren't drunk anymore. Yeah. So that, I mean, that team was just kind of goofy as it was. I thought it was fucking hysterical.

Like, what a line. That's going to go down in history, at least in the bravo's world. Oh, yeah. That was so fucking funny. But the only other thing that really happened. happened was our girl Sutton is back in the dating pool and she went out with Sanjid again. Good for her. I think it's great.

And I think that it was good like on the heels of the conversation that she had with Carcel because the two of them are like kindred spirits when it comes to like single mothers dating and talking to other guys and doing this and doing that and like trying to keep your world together while, you know, your kids are out. And we find out that, you know, her ex-husband is in Italy. She didn't know that his girlfriend was. coming with them with their kids with the kids and so that was even harder because it was she was she had COVID and she couldn't even go anywhere for Christmas so she's just

sitting at home alone calling her ex is saying all of them I think I'm dying I don't know what's going on I've got COVID I'm really sad right now I'm very alone and like it was it was a very relatable moment except the one issue I had and like I know Garcell can speak from a place of understanding but every time that Sutton was like yeah I found out like they were there he was with his girlfriend with the kids and she was like and you were here alone all by yourself with nobody alone like just highlighting like how lonely she is every time you can talk to Sutton like that because Sutton's like yes yeah no I know she doesn't pick up on those like little like microwave I don't even think she was trying to like take a jab I just think she was trying to relate but like

in a way in which it was like yeah and alone and sad and and pathetic and sick and alone. You're so fucking alone. Like, it was just, it was a weird way to, like, support your friend, I thought. But I do know that she is speaking from a place that, like, yeah, I get it. Like, I know you feel lonely. I know how it feels. Like, but she's got the boys.

Like, it's a little different. Like, Sutton's legit, like, by herself. And I thought that to keep highlighting. She has shared custody. Her kids don't come on the show. No, I know. But, like, in that moment, she was fully alone. I felt bad that she kept saying that you're alone.

Like, yeah, we get it. Yeah, we get it. Yeah. But when they get to the dinner, I thought the producers or the editors, I mean, did her so dirty. I thought so, too. With the music. The music, not only that, but there were a couple of cuts where you could see her, like, she was making gestures or, like, making eyes. And, like, when she was, like, scratching her leg, I was like, that's kind of funny.

Because she has neuropathy and she has an itch. And it's really bugging her. I think that, like, she was just nervous at a date, which is fine. It was cute. And was oversharing, and he didn't seem to mind. He seems like a really nice guy. And that's where the editor kind of fucked her because I don't think that he was having a bad time. No, but it made it look like it was the most awkward date ever.

And they had like the awkward like, do, dun, dun, du, music and they're talking about music and they're talking about this and that and whatever. Dude, she is a fucking onion. She's got a layer. She starts dropping, like, about the first date. Well, it was a Shrek reference. Am I dating myself? Yeah. But they start talking about, like, the first date.

And she references, like, we're both into, like, movies and books. And we're both college football people. College football, baby. Oh, fuck, yeah. And then fast forward, she's talking about music. And she's like, you know, I missed that music of, like, the 80s and the 90s. Like, I grew up in the 80s. Like, he's like, yeah, like, the Clash and, like, the go-goes are playing live or whatever.

And she's like, yeah, like, that was music. I was like, you're a fucking punk rock fan? Yeah. What? College football and punk rock? Like Sutton either. either decided she was going to win everybody back this season or this is really who she is and like I am so stunned that I'm going to say like I have enjoyed Sutton thoroughly I think

she's the most misunderstood one on the show I can't believe I'm saying this or I'm going to get a million comments like oh bandwagon Sutton bought yeah I'm on the fucking bandwagon I might be in the front seat right now yeah I mean I'm driving the bus but I've been there no way I'll be the first one to hop off this bus, but for the time being, I thought that the date was really cute. Like, I love that she's, like, talking about how it's difficult to date when you're 50, and she's never really dated before. But, like, she's out there. She's trying it. She's doing it. Yeah, it was incredibly, like, relatable to a lot of people. And it is nice to see that. And it's funny now because when we started this podcast, like episode one, episode two, we started talking

to Zach about it. And Zach asked us the question. He said, who's your favorite housewife and I said Sutton and he was like fucking Sutton really and I said the same thing and I said my favorite was Kyle this show would be this season would be absolutely nothing disastrous yeah they would Sutton and Garcel I mean Garcell I think she would be fine even without Sutton but the two of them together are driving this show and it's so good together are electric dude I love watching when they're on the screen together like it is good quality TV I think it's mostly because Garsel knows how to talk to Sutton yeah Like, I watched the mid-season trailer, and obviously we have the girls' trip, which apparently

Kathy just is fucking reckless, which is going to be so exciting. But in that trailer, you see Erica actually coming to Sutton's defense later, so I don't know how that's going to play out. Hopefully it plays out how we think it... I need to pay attention in the end scenes more. No, this isn't even the end scenes. This was just Bravo released the trailer for the next half of season. season trailer or whatever, which I thought we were close to the end.

Nope. Nope. We got more, baby. But, yeah, I mean, you kind of see that. And, like, we've been talking about it. Like, I said it four or five weeks ago, wouldn't it be nice if by the end of the season you actually see Erica stand up to Diana in Sutton's defense. Now, I don't know if it's going to be against Diana.

It seems like it's going to be Rinnah. Yeah, Rina was losing her mind in that one clip. So that's, and that's next week. So we're going to have to see how that goes with Rina just blowing the top off of Sutton for some reason. We made a claim. You made a very bold claim. You had the theory that you think that if this season ends with Erica coming to

Sutton's defense against Diana, it would be like one of the best seasons ever. I remember this happening. And what if that comes to fruition? The only better thing that could happen is if my theory about ion giving everybody the goats' stew ingredients comes true. Yeah, who the hell knows what's going to happen with that? We got some questions tonight. So let's get into it.

Question time, baby. This is my favorite part of the show. This is my favorite part, too. From El Bialas 10. Save House Husband of any franchise. Ooh. Have we done this? I don't think we've done favorite.

We've done the Boink Mary Kill. We've done Boink Mary Kill and we've done favorite of Jersey, I think. Okay. Go for it. it um this is tough because my allegiances have changed dramatically over the last if we're just doing housewife shows i'll go with pk probably yeah interesting pk's i mean like the obvious answer is probably maricio it was maricio up until like recently for me yeah but i mean he's still great and like i really don't fault him for any of kyle's things but i don't know

what's going to happen with him moving forward and I do find pretty much every scene this season anyway that PK's involved in is kind of funny. I agree. He's funny. He's funny on the screen. He's just a jolly dude. Talking about his Diet Coke intake. I think my favorite house

husband would have to be Frank. I know it's like a boring answer but he's just, he's great. I love Frank. Yeah, I think that's a safe answer too. Yeah, it's a safe answer, but nobody can argue against that. No, he's great. Oh, we got a Point Mary Kill from Captain Kirk underscore Lynn.

Boink Mary Kill, Kyle Dorrit, Crystal. Oh, that's a good one. I think that if I was married to Dorit, while I think she looks the best, like she's probably the most attractive of them, I couldn't, I don't think I'd be able to handle the rest of my life with that fucking baby talk. Oh, yeah, that's tough. that would be that would drive me up a wall um i'm going to go with uh i'd probably no i'd keep it boink dorit marry kyle kill crystal but begrudgingly i'm not really like confident with that answer this one's tough for me yeah this one's really tough for me but in light

of recent events i'm going to boink crystal marry dorit and i'm going to kill kyle because she broke my heart that's fair okay i'm just going to keep that short short and simple yeah oh we got another one popping in boink mary kill magnolia gatlin boink mary kill wait are we going to point mary and kill magnolia gatlin no no no no no magnolia gatlin asked the question boink mary kill sandoval schwartz jacks oh oh yeah Boink Sandoval marry Schwartz

kill Jacks I think that like two weeks ago my answer would have been different but after hearing Sandoval sing I'm going to boink Sandoval I'm going to marry Schwartz

because he's just a sweet guy I'm going to kill Jax because he's a fucking asshole Yeah nobody likes Jaxes that's an easy kill there the boink Mary could bounce back and forth but that's the beauty of Tom Tom

yeah you know what you might be able to have a thruple or as shooter calls them a throppel yeah thruple it's it thruple but i'm going to actually amend my answer i'm going to boink and mary sandoval and schwartz you're going to utah for that kind of action probably i'll call up the salt lake city wives and they can arrange this whole thing yeah you get some extra money too some telemarketing oh yep see so now i'm rich and i've got schwartz and sandy and we're having a grand old time and you're in prison and i'm in jail from b tev what's your favorite bravo star business that's a tough one that's hard i well there's two i have the problem is i i mean i love

beer i've never had austin's i guess i'll you know what i'll do i'll go with kyle's lover boy drink it. I drink it while it's not my favorite to drink. I do like their merch too. They do a solid merch. So I'm going to go with lover boy. Fair enough. I'm going with Craig. Sewing down south. And not because of the pillows, but I can't get it out of my head since I saw that flashback of Naomi like making fun of him while he's sewing. Like, I can't take you seriously when you're sewing. That was so emasculating and like just such a. mean moment like this man enjoys doing this has since turned it into an extremely lucrative business so like that comeuppance right there for her to see him be like ultra successful

with it while she was getting fucked over by matool like it's such a like told you so moment and like good for fucking Craig there because yeah he so's and he's a fucking man and that's that is the code of the broth bros good for Craig that's all the questions we got um so that'll that'll wrap us up for the evening um make sure that you follow us on instagram at brav underscore bros follow us on twitter at brav underscore bros and follow us on tic talk at brav bros no underscore there just at brav bros um as usual thank you all for listening our numbers continue to grow there's a lot of brav bros in this world and we're so stoked that you guys are coming out to join us this is fucking so much fun we look forward to it literally

every week so um you guys keep listening we'll keep doing it yeah we'll have a hell of a show for you next week looks like everything's gonna everything's coming to the head yeah we're finally getting to that like midpoint of the season when shit starts to explode so yeah so we're pumped yeah buckle up and stay tuned baby strap in boys and girls and whomever else i guess fuck That's the Brab, bros. We are out of here. See you next week. Bye.

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