Bros & Shows - Janet's Irrelevant at Jax's Final Reunion (The Valley Reunion Finale Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

What's up Bros? The Valley has come to an end and while the subject matter was extremely dark this year, it was a good season overall. In this episode, Danny and Nia are under full attack. Janet and Jason continue to attack him and Nia as Jasmine wavers on which side she's on. Doute lands some great digs on Janet as she reminds her "you're not important enough to care about". Jesse and Michelle continue to butt heads but that just may be the situation forever. Jax has his final reunion (for now) and lets just say, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Will Janet and Jason return next year? Are VPR rejects coming to invade the Valley? Stay tuned... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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welcome back to another episode of the i hate janet club i mean god yeah i actually i watched this episode on the beach and instead of listening to the waves just enjoying nature i had to listen to janet tough just that's how you ruin a vacation yeah sure is Shows and Shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows. Rosen shows. I got to have me my Brows and Shows.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only bucket hat Magouter. What's up, dude? Vacate, it is. Getting in the last few drops of summer, if you will. But, I mean, we have to say goodbye to the Valley.

It's one last episode before probably the most interesting off season that we've had since we started podcasting because we have to keep an eye on everything. We don't know what's going to happen. I imagine a lot of the things that happen in this off season aren't going to be good things. I don't think we're going to get good news. I don't think it's going to be. And we decided to not add anybody. That would be the best news. There are some additions that could make sense.

And I think a lot of additions that will not make sense. and we're going to lean heavily that way. I think that we're going to be disappointed with the moves that they make for this show's future. We've already discussed the potential returning of some Vanderpump cast members. It seems like it's a given that Sheena and Brock are going to be, at the very least, a much more prominent presence, even if they're not full-time. We haven't gotten like the official word that they're full-time, but signs are pointing to that. We've heard the talks of Sandival, which both of us have agreed,

if you're going to go any route in the post jacks era sandoval kind of makes sense so like that one i'm not up in arms about i don't think la la needs to be on the show at all and i'm just curious because they're going to have to try to make some moves because jacks is gone i get that and part of me agrees with it part of me wants them to just run it back with this same cast and see what they have but i don't know man it's going to be really like we have to be on it all off season every time a move is made we might have to have like an emergency podcast because this is one of the best shows on bravo it is and it obviously it can be i mean just the potential that's here the potential that we've seen the way that they've moved from season one to season two obviously a lot of things were not great

things to talk about but it's still polarizing in a lot of different ways so why you change anything i don't know i think that uh jacks in particular was just a cancer that you needed to cut out just get them out there no reason to keep them i will probably and i think this is going to come to fruition next year i do still think that brittney being on this show is going to be more of a problem than a solution and i i know it's it's hard to say and like i get it you know there's a lot of people out there that might not be able to see it the way that i'm looking at it but i do think that jacks being off the show brittany being on the show is going to lead to jacks weirdly being the ghost of this show where we're still talking about him all the time and i'm

Obviously, yes. Of course, Britney's going to be going through things with Jackson in her life. She's going to have Jackson and her life the rest of her life because Cruz is involved. Or Jackson's son, if you want to call him that. But I just think it's going to be an anchor on Brittany next year. And I do think that any time that we look at Brittany, which we should be looking at Britney as, hey, you're a terrible friend. You never stick up for anybody else. You for whatever weird reason are always running around trying to raise Janet.

up when she doesn't deserve it. I think that when people start to just zero in on that, and I think that Doty's going to do it, Nia got a voice in this reunion especially. I think the people are going to start looking at Brittany like, hey, what are you doing? And she's going to fall back on. Well, I've got a lot going on in my life. I've got Jack still here. And it's like, that's not fair. And I think that it's going to lead to a point where people are going to be asking for Brittany to get off the show. So I don't know. And we never really know the answers to these things. A lot of times it's cut and dry. I know you want to replace Jacks or somebody like that. you know you can't really have jesse just kind of take the reins because i'm afraid to even

say what that looks like but uh yeah i you do need somewhere in there you do need another douchebag guy because that's how this show works and i need a volonious presence i think sandoval works i just don't know if he has a friendship with any of these people i don't know obviously outside of the the dote and sand of all situation how that's going to play out is it just going to be another way for you to get like la la and sheena and then they're going to be talking about sandoval the whole time i don't really want that so i don't know there is no real answer to this i think the best answer would be don't do anything so don't add anybody don't do anything else just leave it alone i agree and i think what this reunion did is it was a solid three parts i think

they did a good job there's enough content here to have three episodes i was captivated for the majority of all three uh this one more so in a frustrated and want to throw my notebook at the TV screen kind of way, but they did a good job. And I think that, I think you nailed it. I think that we just have to wait and see. We're not going to be able to speculate an answer for this whole thing. I think what it did do, though, is show a lot of people how bad of a friend Brittany actually is. I think it's so apparent now that you can't trust her with anything. She picks the wrong side, she's on the wrong side of history, all those things. And she had chances here to make up for it or at least step in the right direction and she fumbled and fucked it up

so i will say it's better that she didn't really speak up at all than her speaking up and just backing janet blindly you know what i mean i don't know but one time she did speak up like i'm glad she's terrified yeah it's also still like you're still giving i know more credence to janet by what she said but there were way more moments that i would have thought if we were going into this, I would have been more petrified that Brittany was going to take Janet's side, not because I really care if Britney takes Janet's side. It doesn't really matter, but it doesn't leave Janet on that island. It doesn't leave Janet and Jason on that island. And I think in this episode, we got a lot of them on an island by themselves. And yeah, Brittany spoke up once and she

almost raised her hand that one time. She was fixed her address. She was definitely raised her hand. That was such bullshit. And that was not editing. If anybody out there wants to say that that was editing and they wanted to do that. No, they zoomed down on everybody else raising their hand, and she was like this still on her shoulder. So I think it's better that she didn't speak up as much because we did get to see Janet and Jason out on an island. I think that's better than her actually fumbling around

or trying to play both sides as she's done all season, trying to say, you know, I can see it both ways. Like, shut up. That's just, it's just useless at this point. So I think her staying out of it altogether is better than her defending Janet or trying to play both sides because I don't want to see that shit either but again that kind of points to do we need brittany and i still think no and i'm going to hold on that i don't think so i really don't i don't think that she's an integral part of the show i think without jacks

in the drama of brittany and jacks what does she bring i don't even try to be a dick but like what does she offer without the jack's storyline and it's not it's not a shoulder to cry on it's not somebody that contributes to conversations like what is it I'll, I'm not even playing devil's advocate. This is an actual path that she can take if next season is all about who are you friends with and testing our friendships and testing a friendship with Zach with Doty and then pointing out how she only backs Janet holding her feet to the fire and seeing if she can come out of that realizing her mistakes.

That's a good storyline for Brittany. I'm okay with that. If that's what we're going to do and that's the way that we're going to go with Brittany, again, because it looks like everybody's coming back. I haven't seen anything about people dropping off. basically jacks is already out nobody else is really going anywhere so i think it could be that it could be a okay jacks is gone we're not going to talk about jacks we're not going to do this you're obviously going to have your scenes one-on-one or you're going to have a person over to talk about how hard it is

co-parenting with jacks fine i know that's going to happen i can't really see a world in which it doesn't happen but if your whole storyline is what we saw little bits and pieces of all year you're weirdly so attached to janet but you're not giving grace to dody you're not giving grace to Zach what are we going to do let's hold her to the fire let's see what happens and if she come out of it like i said if she can come out of it and start to understand the error of her ways maybe turn on janet i might be asking for a lot there but turn a little bit on janet enough of this i see at both sides you know i you guys haven't been bad friends to me why would i be a bad friend to you that's not how that works so if she can sort of come

out of that i will eat my words and i will say okay we can have brittany on the show because that is it's captivating only because we've seen Brittany for so long be such a bad friend and choose jacks over her friends or choose shitty guys over her friends or whatever it may have been choose the wrong person honestly out of her friends if we can see a little bit of a change there i'm okay with it and that makes sense for me for a good brittany storyline next year so we'll we'll see what happens i kind of talked myself into it but again i don't really know if that's going to work that it's a good point like i see where you're coming from and yeah that could be an interesting route to go she's going to come back so yeah yeah like

So hopefully it goes that direction where we start calling her out for being a bad friend. Obviously, she got a pass this year because of everything she's going through. But without that, you're right. It gives them the opportunity to be like, okay, here's why you're not a good friend. Who's whose side do you pick in this? Whose side do you pick in that? I like that. I think we did enough of that, too.

We did talk about her not being a good friend. We were doing the thing where, yeah, let's just isolate this. We know what you're going through with Jacks, but that's not an exception. excuse and it gets to the point where yeah early on i can understand your head's completely foggy you're very unclear on things because of what you're going through fine but when you get to that point towards the end of the season where we know where everything is you've moved on from jacks you can't use him as an excuse anymore he's going to be in your life for the rest of your life you need to be able to have good friendships with people and show up when they need you to show up and she wasn't doing that so

we can call her out but i think you and i maybe a handful of other people obviously people online can call her out because they don't really like Brittany to begin with. But I think that everybody who needs to see that next year. And I think that that could be a good storyline because I don't really see it getting annoying. I think it could get annoying a little bit if she's still stuck in the mud. But if everybody's going after her, that's not going to be annoying. So that's okay by me for a storyline.

Okay. Yeah, I'm on board. Let's jump into this one, though, because we've got a lot to talk about. It's a lot of the same topic kind of stretched out throughout the episode. We get like side tangents here and there, but it all comes back. same thing and it starts out with where we left last week and it's the the multiple times since allegations this has been happening multiple times since same thing you know the super bowl we didn't get an explanation for the super bowl i don't know if that's when danny was following

brittney around but the way that it's all framed and this is why janet's so scary and not like oh i'm afraid of janet more so like oh janet you're going to fucking ruin somebody's life is the way she sets things up because she's like well multiple people here and then she says Michelle and Michelle goes on to talk about Brittany so Janet is now going down the line two separate people to get to Brittany and Brittany recants her story or retells her story and it's like okay the first the first example we have is him touching Jasmine inappropriately and like of course we all don't think that's cool of course that's a really bad thing to do so we're thinking that it's a similar thing because of the way it's set up

Brittany goes on to tell her stories like, well, you know, he didn't touch me or anything like that, but he was following me around. He made me feel uncomfortable, blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, well, that's not the same thing. That is not what he did to Jasmine. And the way that they are framing this whole thing, how Jason's framing it, is that when he goes out and gets drunk, he's going to grab somebody. Like, that's not what's happening. No, it's not at all what's happening. And I think, you know, I'm sure you'll have more to say about the way that Jesse kind of explains, like he doesn't have a drink. problem because he doesn't do this that's it I actually weirdly agree with half the cast when

they bring that up they're like no that's an alcoholic not having a drinking problem I think what we saw and I'm not making excuses for Danny but what we did see in the off season obviously this off season he can't drink around these people drink around people that you trust I'm not saying you know you need to cut dry you need to just stop drinking you need to admit your problems whatever because I do think obviously in this situation a lot of this shit got played up and made up and a lot of lies were thrown out there because of the one instance that he had, which we've talked about 50, 60 times as everybody keeps inflating that number. I think what the way that we need to look at it is you can't give these people any more

ammo. You just simply can't because even if you get a little drunk, like Jesse says, yeah, there are some times where you're a bad drunk. There's a problem out there. You're just annoying, whatever it is. But there's a lot of times that you're really funny. There's a lot of times that you're hilarious. I think what we saw this season with him drinking, he knew it was going to be a problem.

So every time he even started drinking, it was a bad time. Like imagine just going into a situation knowing it's going to be bad. You're going to a party. You know that your girlfriend's got a problem with somebody else out there. So you're drinking and you're like, fuck, this could turn at any moment. Somebody could say something and it's going to bother me. So for him, yes, he needed to stop drinking. He needed to stop doing this because you're giving people more ammo.

And you're also having a bad time when you're drinking. But nobody's really kind of articulating it in that way. And obviously, a little bit later, I guess, they start getting in. into the allegations. It happens all the time. It's happened a number of times that you're doing the same thing over and over again. And nobody's really zeroing in on Janet saying that. They're all just kind of addressing the allegations. They're all just kind of having it out amongst themselves for the most part. And they're not really saying, Janet, give us examples. We talked about it, and we never talked about it again after Hawaii. We talked about it on the boat, how there was a

meet and greet. And he was touching people and making people uncomfortable. Now the example is that Brittany was followed around by Danny, like, stretch. I'm sorry. And obviously, we know what happened with Jasmine. If we want to talk about it with Jasmine and Melissa and Danny and Nia, the people who were actually involved in that, great, awesome. He will apologize a million times if he has to. And he even says that later.

But this situation is crazy. And this just paints it exactly how they want it to be. Jason and Janet want to keep doing this. We're going to throw things out there. It doesn't matter because he was drinking in front of us, because he was drinking with these people and he got a little drunk. he did weird shit but he wasn't doing the same thing that he did to melissa he wasn't doing the same thing that he did to jasmine so why are we talking about it because he followed you around drunk

at a party who's probably if i had to guess blabbering on about a story that he was telling brittany and brittany was trying to walk away because she was weirdly uncomfortable and wanted to get away from him and he just kept following her to tell the story like i could see him doing that that's kind of what he does so it's just bullshit at this point it's so annoying that we still are talking about this without giving real examples of things that he's done pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure. This fall get double points on every qualified stay. Life's the trip. Make the most of it at Best Western.

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You're just saying generalities and like generalizing what might have happened or like you said, the meat and greet or, you're just talking about miniskirts or whatever. Like, but we don't get that example this time. And then we don't get an example. Because they feel that back because they know it's bullshit. That's the whole thing. They didn't bring that up because they know there's nothing there and it's complete bullshit. So why would they not use that example again?

If that was a good example on the boat when we're talking about sexual assault, why is it not an example at the reunion when we're talking about it again? Because it's complete and utter bullshit. And it either didn't happen or it was blown crazy out of proportion and there weren't enough people to corroborate it. That's the problem. And that's what we're getting. It is just, it's such a stretch. They're trying to paint them as this couple that has a problem, that they're protected by the producers, that Danny has a drinking problem and he gets away with it. And they're just throwing this huge umbrella over it. And why? And I think the reason why is you've got Janet and Jason over there

who are actively in their minds, actively doing something for a storyline, showing their lives, getting involved in things. And the fans fucking hate them. The fans despise them. And yet, you've got Danny and Nia over here who seemingly have a pretty not dramatic life. They've got three kids under three, four kids under four. They're doing all of these things that parents are doing, putting their kids to bed, staying out of the limelight, trying to do these things. And Danny goes out when he wants a daddy's day out and gets a little drunk. Obviously, the Halloween night is something that happens.

Everything else is something that they're going to point to and say there were problems that night, too. Why? Because the fans love Danny and Nia and they hate Janet and. Jason and Danny and Nia bring nothing to the show in their mind. So they're wondering, why are they so loved by the fans? Why are we not loved? Let's paint them as terrible people. That's what we're going to do.

It's so fucking dumb. And the idea that Janet is sitting there yelling at Kristen and yelling at Nia, who are both pregnant and causing them stress with her lies and her bullshit is insane to me. Because last year, we couldn't even say a word around Janet. She had to leave every time because you can't cause the baby stress, but you're going to cause these two mothers stress. That's crazy to me. It makes no sense. And there's so many moments like that that are so fucking frustrating as a viewer because

fast forward a little bit and they're continuing to attack Danny and Danny's character and what Danny did or did not do when he was drunk. You're trying to make this guy into an absolute monster in Danny while still defending Jacks, who we had just in this reunion found out through Brittany. into a bush, but you're still going to be on his team. We already knew that he threw a table at her. So like, right. So you guys are going to defend Jacks, who is a domestic abuser.

We know that to be true. There's video footage of him doing that. But then you're going to defend him and attack Danny, who made a terrible mistake, who owned up to that mistake, who with the person involved or people involved, they agreed to move forward, even though that completely goes out the window, this whole reunion as well. it makes no sense. You don't get to stand on this pedestal judging other people

when you are doing the same thing and defending somebody much, much worse than Danny, but because your lives are so miserable and Janet and Jason hate each other and they don't like being with each other that they want to go after the marriage that's actually happy. Danny and Neil are actually happy.

They actually try to keep their heads down. They found one crack in the armor with this incident with Melissa and with Jasmine and they're putting all their eggs into that basket because their only other storyline was this dumb fucking ring thing that even Andy if Andy's calling you out saying like this is what are we doing here and you guys thought you put this to bed by getting a tattoo that's Andy's way of saying this was really really bad you guys did a bad job with your stories so your two stories are attacking the

one guy and the happily married couple while defending a domestic abuser and a ring that no one gave a fuck about but you guys continued to perpetuate it Great job. Yeah, you guys continue to perpetuate it. And I can already see it, actually. I think season two was there, towards the end of season two, was their last ditch effort to stay relevant. That's what they wanted.

And we'll talk about the ring thing in a second because that was another one. But with the Danny stuff, I think that the two of them wanted to come off as white knights, as crusaders for all these people. And that's what was going on. And I think Jasmine later in this episode really regretted that she backed Janet. really regretted that she's now leaning on Janet as the person that's going to crusade for her because I don't think that Jasmine really originally I don't think she really wanted to talk about

any of this and then it got to a point where it's like yeah I'm getting pissed off again because we're bringing this back up I think she didn't really know and she's got her feelings are all misplaced and she's getting mad at Danny again which again you know I kind of get that because it's bringing up that memory is fine sure with Janet and Jason this was their season to try to rectify all of the wrongs that Janet did in season one because Jason didn't do dick last year he was barely even on it but here we go let's try to just make the fans love us let's do this and that and whatever and it didn't work it backfired even worse now fans hate both of you and they hate janet even worse than they did in season one janet could have bounced back janet could have just

tried to you know season one was just me getting my feet wet and trying to do all these things we hear from everybody on the cast that she completely changed she could have gone back to just being a likable person because there was a point in time where you had people like christin and people like nia that actually enjoyed you and liked you and you went completely 180 as soon as camera started everybody can see it it's very clear to us i think they're going to go into season three and we're going to get little quotes going into it our time for our time for playing around is over the gloves are off if they want to paint us as the villains will be their villains that's what we're going to get in season three and it's going to be awful because there is no way that they can come back from this

too many people want them off the screens too many people despise them there's only one play for them to make and it's to lean into being the villain and they're going to do it and it's going to be awful. I agree. I think it's going to be terrible and you watch how they navigate this whole thing. They're not equipped to be those characters. They don't know how to do that because Jason's saying 15 different things, you know, such as like, you're doing the same thing.

You're doing the same thing. And Andy's like, okay, well, did he, did he grab Brittany or did he grab anybody? And Jason's like, no. He's like, well, you just said he did the same thing. He's like, I didn't say that. It's like, motherfucker, you said it five minutes ago. They're lying about things that happened this season and they're lying about things that just happened 10 seconds ago.

It's crazy. Yeah. They don't know how to do it. They're sloppy and just not entertaining. They're just really, fucking irritating. And the ring thing comes back up. And that's when Andy,

Andy was pretty solid this reunion. I still bummed that he sidestepped the Rose Bush thing. Yeah, he didn't handle that at all. He's always really good at these types of shows. And then he just completely fumbles the bag for the house. Wife shows. And I do wonder, because he's a producer on a lot of those housewife shows. So I do wonder if like he just kind of like sits back and just lets it happen. But he always asked the hard hitting questions. He always pushes things like with Jesse later in the show.

There's always things that he does really well in these types of environments that he doesn't do well in the housewife shows. So I don't know. I always kind of revel in it when we get shows like this. I agree. I think he he shines when he's doing these kinds of shows. Yeah. But as they're discussing the ring thing, again, Andy points out how. dumb this whole thing was and they're like

well you know we're just kind of making fun of ourselves and like this whole ring thing came out and people are questioning Jason's character and Doty speaks for everybody not just the audience but producers for everybody there on that set no one gave a fuck about

it and no one's questioning his character I even told you the only reason that was brought up is because I was being a bitch because you were trying to attack Danny and Nia but the fact that Janet can say his character was being called into question over the ring rumor but at the same time continue to use trigger words like sexual abuse sexual assault molest grope it's like do you understand

what you're trying to defend on one side and then what you're trying to perpetuate on the other you don't get to be this person you have to pick one side of the other that's the other part if you want to be villains fine lean into it you can't be villains and self-righteous it makes no fucking sense and nobody's on your team because everything you're trying to defend you are doing not in the same season in the same motherfucking episode that's so infuriating and jason just sits there like yeah you know like everyone thinks to janet's the monster because you know everyone did you guys watch the show it's like everyone watched this show what fucking show did you watch dumbass because we all watched janet manipulate sidestep and start all these weird fucking things

But now you're saying that didn't happen, that we're watching a different show. Yeah, we're watching a different show. And he's also trying to paint it as Kristen got the rest of the cast to dislike Janet and not believe Janet and look at her as the monster. Everyone's just laughing. Like the entire cast is laughing. Everybody at home is laughing. We all know exactly what it is. We watched the same show.

You guys didn't watch the same show clearly. So him white knighting now for his wife is, again, of course he's going to do that. But he's doing it in such a way that he has to throw. others under the bus. If he sat there, and obviously he had a terrible season two, but if he sat there and just offended his wife because everybody was coming after her, I get that. I understand

that. You can do that in a way that doesn't throw people like Kristen, Danny, Nia, under the bus. That doesn't say, oh, you guys were doing all these things behind the scenes to try to make people not like Janet. No, Janet's just not likable. She sucks. Your wife sucks. And if you want to defend her,

fine. You're her husband. Go ahead. You still have to sleep with her at night. You still have to live with her night i get it fine go ahead and defender nobody's going to believe it but at least you're doing your job as a husband you can do that without going and throwing people under the bus you can do that without painting danny as some sexual deviant that's going out every single weekend getting drunk while nia stays home with the kids and he's getting drunk and groping people like what are we doing here again no examples we don't know exactly what he's doing but you if you had examples and we know this for a fact if anybody on that cast jacks included had any examples of danny doing

this while you're just bad-mouthing them every single episode, you would bring it up. You would show us exactly. You would timestamp it. You would have people that were in your DMs. You would have people messaging you with pictures and showing you things that Danny's done. Instead, you're just doing this hearsay bullshit where there's nothing corroborated. You're just throwing it out there because you want to paint him as a bad guy to try to exonerate your terrible life, I guess.

That's what we're doing. It's stupid. It's dumb. And every time that they bring something up, it's debunked. We have video footage of exactly the opposite happening. For example, Jason's like, we never did anything. We weren't going after Doty. It's like, you guys went after all season.

We watched. We watched you guys conspire after the ring thing. You got together at Sheena's house and came up with this master plan to use the ring thing as a storyline because you both realize you're completely irrelevant. Doty says as much literally says you're not important enough for people to care 100% true. And so you did go after Doty. And we watched it, but you claim that you didn't. And then in this same scene, we go to Jasmine at the beach calling Janet a Karen.

And it's like, well, where did the breakdown happen? And Jasmine's like, well, I kept trying to talk to Jason, but Janet kept chiming in. She kept chiming in with certain things. I couldn't get a word out. She was saying snake, this, that, whatever. Now, did she call her a snake? No. Was she cutting her off at every step of the way?

Yes. And she's like, that didn't happen. Roll the tape. Watched it happen. And then they still deny that it happened. It's like, you guys just watch what we watched, right? You watched you cut her off and then turn around like the semantics game. Jason called her a snake.

Okay, sure. Yeah, because that doesn't really matter. When the two of you were together and she's going and standing up as a solo person against a couple, when that conversation, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be to clear the air to try to move forward and try to get through all of this. Jasmine stood on her business, said she heard the rumor years ago. everybody's heard that rumor we all heard it it just wasn't important enough and didn't really seem like it had enough going for it for us to bring it up on camera why would we it happened years ago dody was just trying to be a bitch she said she heard it from me i heard it years ago what do you want me to do you guys because i didn't believe it whatever that could have been such an easy opportunity to again try to be a little likable and just try to brush it off you don't have to go get tattoos and do all this which obviously nobody believes the i've always wanted jason to get a tattoo and i've always wanted a ring tattoo no you didn't you absolutely didn't none of us give a shit you would have done it beforehand but this just again points to you're being a different person on camera both of you now are

being different people on camera you would have never in a million years gone and gotten a ring tattoo and by the way if there's ever cheating rumors about a normal couple out in the wild and they immediately turn around and get ring tattoos somebody cheated i don't know who what do you think that happens like that's fucking insane instead you have this bullshit story about how you've always wanted ring tattoos and you just think that they're cute no let's roll the tape again when you got that ring tattoo you immediately started crying afterwards so no like what are we talking about here this is crazy and again this just kind of immediately lifts up exactly what christin said nobody cares about you guys because guess what we're

all sitting here saying it was bullshit nobody cares about you instead of going deeper into it nobody's now asking the questions, and there should be so many questions, but I'm okay with them not asking. Nobody really needs to ask the question of whether or not Jason cheated, because we do not care. You guys are doing so much that is so negatively impacting the show that if we really wanted to, we could make this whole segment about all the rumors that we've heard about Jason not wearing his wedding ring. But instead, we're moving on quickly because there's more shit to talk about that you guys have brought up. And you're going to be the center of it because you put yourself in the center of it so you're going to have to face the fire i don't really care about

jason getting a ring tattoo we don't care about your marriage we don't like you move on i completely agree and it's also really funny to me that jason can brush off calling jasmine a snake sure but danny calling janet a snake is caused for more stories about him being gross with women okay because he was blackout drunk just clarifying right that's more of the same behavior right he gets drunk and he calls my wife a snake that's just like him grabbing ass that's how this works now that's what they're equating that to or we're not gonna we're not gonna talk about janet losing her shit at el coyote because she had one too many margaritas that early in the day as nea points out it's like again the hypocrisy is insane it's so fucking annoying to watch and now that they can

see that it's not working they're not landing anything jason says to jasmine tries to gaslight her into admitting that she was manipulated into not liking Janet. Are you fucking kidding me? He's like, Jasmine who just said, I was really good friends with you. I've known you guys the longest

out of everybody on this cast, and we've been good friends for a long time up until this past year. Wonder why. Now she's being manipulated into not liking Janet, her oldest friends on this cast? Yeah, sure.

I believe that. Makes no sense. He's like, you know, this is where he says, I watch the show. Yeah, And, like, everyone manipulated to make Janet about it. Yeah, of course he doesn't.

But like, I don't know. It's, wait, I forgot about my fun, the funniest part of this entire reunion. When Jason is painting, uh, Danny as an alcoholic, and he does say, you've got a drinking problem. Everybody up on this cast has a drinking problem. Oh, yeah. Everybody has problems with alcohol. Jacks goes, huh? Yeah.

What is he doing? That made no sense. And like, dude. Oh, my God. I was dying. I, I laughed. out of the beach i couldn't help it it was just too funny the jacks was still he probably wanted to spring into the i don't have a problem with alcohol i've got an anger problem anger mine's anger

and yeah that whole discussion of like and there's an easy way to break it down these people are not qualified to discuss it but there is a difference between a drinking problem or having issues with alcohol and being a full-blown alcoholic the way they described it is not what it is like you can be You can be an alcoholic and only drink on the weekends. It's whether or not when you get drunk, you have problematic behaviors. So if you only drink once a month, but every time you drink, you end up drinking and driving and burning your life to the ground in 24 hours, you're an alcoholic. You can also just be somebody that doesn't do great with alcohol and maybe drinks a little

bit too much, but the blanket statement of everybody on that stage having a problem with alcohol is not true. You can't make that statement. And then for Jason to say that he struggles with it, which, you know, if that's him being honest, great. But okay, how are you going to sit there and throw stones if you yourself have to address your own issues with alcohol? At the same time, your wife is saying that she takes Adderall to lose weight. So you guys can do these things, take these substances, do whatever. It's not a problem for you, but you're going to make allegations about multiple people on this cast just because you don't like them.

okay yeah okay much awesome that's so cool oh it's it's exhausting it's absolutely exhausting but whether or not jasmine janet and jason reunite it it seems like they already have like this episode to me made it seem more and more like there was a vendetta that there was a discussion before the season that jacks was involved in of okay we're going after dany and nea this year yeah oh god the alliance but that's that's what it really feels like and i guess you're watching this whole thing play out. I, especially later on, you can see Jasmine's kind of in the middle.

Like she clearly went and leaned on Janet and that whole thing. And as stated, here's the thing. She's being manipulated by Janet and Jason. Yes. By Kristen. Correct. Correct.

And it's like, look, we have said it all season. Danny says it this episode. Nia says it this episode. She can bring up the thing with Danny as much as she would like to. Like if she's not over, but she thought she was and she needs more clarification or she just gets upset about it.

That's her right because Danny fucked up. But that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing her and Danny and Melissa squash it. And then we're seeing Danny and, or sorry, Janet and Jason bring it back up again. And in doing so, Jasmine gets upset again. So then she feels a certain way, but you literally watch it later on when they're talking about the sexual assault allegations. You see Janet get worked up by it. lean on Janet and then she kind of steps back with Zach and she's like well no in the moment

I felt that way but you know having having calmed down from everything it's not how I see it so you're in real time you're watching the J's try to manipulate Jasmine but then they're going to point at Doty and say she manipulated you right which is a leading question like it's just it's clumsy they're not good at this and they think they are and I think that's what gets under my skin so much they think they're really good at this game and they're really fucking not and they were Janet I think just because it was new and fresh and there were so many people that hadn't been on reality TV before and she kind of knew the ropes or sheena showed her the ropes or she just watched repr so many times that she understood how it worked last season she was she was actually pretty

good at manipulating feelings just because everybody didn't know what the fuck to do they didn't know how to respond they didn't know how to do it and she had them playing against each other she had so many different situations going on we could watch it at home and understand what was going on but i'm sure in the moment it was probably pretty tough for a lot of people they learned this year they didn't fall for her traps they immediately just played like oh no we're doing the same thing again janet zach called it out christin saw it from a mile away christin was on the show a lot more this year because janet didn't get her way and there were so many different things that you could look at and just show yeah you're trying to manipulate the situation yeah you're just making things up we're going to call

you out on it right away but she still thinks to she's good at it and that's why she's smirking up on stage that's why she feels like she's winning and she's not it's just laughable at this point yes it truly is and the next segment's kind of whatever you know they talk to jacks and it's more about his relationship with zach and i guess for a long time zach was actually an advocate for him you know he would jacks would lean on zach after he had a blow up with brittany and and zach says he was like the biggest jacks apologist out there. And so this breakdown in the friendship, I would imagine, because we watched throughout the season, a lot of people on this show, they definitely placated and even,

I would say, enabled Jacks. You know, Jason did it multiple times. Jesse certainly did it. Even Danny was, was in that same category for a little while. Zach never has been. Like, since things really fell apart with Brittany, Zach has been a great friend to Brittany and has called out Jacks for all of his bullshit. Anytime something happens, he's the first one to say, fuck that, no way. So I think that's why Jacks doesn't like him. You don't like him because he calls out. That is

a thousand percent true. And I do really really wish there was footage of Jack's crying on Zach's shoulder. Because that is a very funny image. I love that. Also, I feel bad doing this because I love Zach so much.

When they flashed back to the picture of the two of them meeting and they were in E.K.U. Was it Eastern Kentucky? I guess they went. His hair was fucking ridiculous, dude. Hey, he's come a long way then. We can say it that way. It's so fucking funny. But yeah, I mean, it just kind of, it gives you more context on the friendship because obviously Zach has been around just as much as Brittany's been around. Brittany's been on the show because she was with Jacks and everything. So Zach being around for that long and showing how much they've grown as friends. they lived in the same city they moved together all of these things it shows you how bad of a friend that brittney was showing how good of a friend zach was through all of that i'm sure he wanted to

rip his hair out and there's no pun intended but that after talking about his hair but i'm sure he wanted to rip his hair out every single time that brittney called him saying jacks is doing this jacks is doing that he's having a breakdown can you come over and talk about it with us he is by far he deserves some sort of medal or some sort of award for going through all of that because I can't imagine how many times it's gotten to that point where they're both having a breakdown and they're both screaming and yelling at each other. Zach being the person to show up for both of them is insane to me. He didn't pick sides.

He let it go because he knew that Brittany was going to stay with Jacks. So he tried to be a friend to Jacks too. And the second that he flips and realizes, oh shit, Britney's my friend. Jacks was my friend's boyfriend, my friend's fiance, husband. I got to just cut ties with this guy and start talking shit on him Jackson's going to turn immediately because that's Jackson's nature. He's not going to be able to see

what Andy so eloquently puts it as where you do understand like this is an opportunity to maybe move forward and I think that shit, who was the one? I think it was Kristen maybe that I actually pointed out you got to understand what he's going through. He's going to be a friend to Brittany before he's a friend to you. It's not really any

ill will and if he's going to give you an olive branch here, actually no, it was Jason that point of this out. There's Jason. saying that he was giving an olive branch that was a good point jason look at you you actually have an opportunity to be a good person giving an olive branch over to jacks that's in a very zach way that is what zach was doing he's giving you shit for being a bad person and jacks just sees it as him insulting him not being a good friend but there still is a semblance of being a good friend in there and you could maybe do something here oh okay yeah no yeah i guess i guess i guess i should leave the

animosity away like whatever jacks just we're done with you just move on go away i don't We're not even going to talk about his superlative or whatever the fuck at the end of the episode. Yeah, I don't care about it. I think it was funny. It doesn't matter that this was filmed after like episode four. And Andy made the reference of, and a lot of people remember this moment from Vanderpump Rules when he said my show to LVP and visibly upset her. She was not thrilled at that one. That was his last season on the show.

That callback to that, knowing that he got kicked off of this show. too, but this is only like episode four as far as the season goes and filming. That's awesome. And I don't know if Andy knew that this was his last season or. Yeah, we don't really know. We have ideas that they, I think they knew that they had to do something. But I think once the domestic violence video was mentioned,

like the producers had to be like, oh shit, we can't bring him back. Alex Baskin started crying because his Coke buddy was gone. Like it was a whole thing. Jeremiah's crush was getting kicked off the show. So he was upset. that there was just a lot, a lot of sad feelings.

And by Coke friend, I mean they drink Coca-Cola together. Allegedly, yeah. That was a tough one. I didn't matter how to love that it's, I love that we're pointing out that Alex is the one that was his Coke friend and Jeremiah was his crush. Yeah, we could have, we could have flipped and done whatever with that, but I like that one. That one works. Interchangeable, really, those two dumbasses, but.

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yeah the only reason was because we were afraid that she was going to let it slip to jacks jacks would let it slip to everybody i don't think that was the reason i think that was part of it i think that was part of it the relationship between brittany and doughty at that point was a little afraid definitely skewed yeah it was definitely afraid a bit i think it's just i don't know whose call this was, whether it was Christens or Luke's. Somebody's got a good head on their shoulders. Getting ahead of this before the reunion is so smart to be able to sit down with Brittany and talk to her about that and say, look, we didn't want to include you because of

what you already did. There's already a good example to use right there. You let it slip to Jacks the very next day. He blew it up. We knew that was going to happen. So that's why we didn't do it. I don't think that was the reason, but it worked out perfectly. and you were able to talk to Brittany before the reunion.

So now she doesn't have to have a whole discussion about this feeling left out. We've already squashed it. We're good. We can move on. It doesn't have to be a whole thing. That is so smart. And it's so great for us, the audience, because that would have been 10 minutes, 15 minutes of my life that I would have never gotten back. Because we all know exactly why they did it.

I don't need to have the discussion about it. I'm glad you guys squashed this off camera because boy, did I not want to do that. Not at all. But we can all agree that Brittany did that to get revenge, right? Yeah, she did. but that's okay i'm all right with that because it's that's a good balance they didn't invite her to the uh to the engagement planning because of a different reason and brittany did that because of a different reason so we can just let bygods be violins yeah i agree it's just she definitely did that on purpose

but anyway yep jesse and aaron come up quickly you know their conversation that they had in hawaii which i guess they're still doing okay up at this point as we know michelle and aaron are are no longer together. And I'm curious if Jesse had anything to do with that and his behavior. But it's just funny to watch these two communicate because I don't know. I think Michelle was just trying to throw some shade. Probably. But the way that it comes out is that Jesse was just doesn't want to agree with her on

anything. So it was willingly keeping Isabella in, in harm's way with the fires in L.A. I was like, I know what you're doing. but like at the same time that's you're saying that he's like no she's going to be near the fires because fuck you guys like that's yeah i mean it could have that's another one of those situations with jesse michel

where it could have gone both ways because i can see jessey not agreeing to let isabella go anywhere until he's actually got everything that he needs but i could also see michel saying fine we'll just stay here in harm's way in front of the fire because you can't make a decision I don't know if that's how that went. I don't know if that's how that went.

I don't know how anything goes with the two of you when it's not like explicitly on camera or I can exactly know what both of you said. Otherwise, it's a toss up. I don't know what happened. It's okay. We can move forward with it. Yeah, exactly. It's just another Jesse Michelle moment that you can chalk up to those two being those two.

But let's talk about fan it, aka Janet, because we've heard many times that her entire personality changed. Doty has said as much, Zach has said as much, Nia and Danny have alluded to it. A lot of people on this cast are saying that the camera started rolling, even in season one, and it was like this instant change.

And you get this example of, I guess Doty really leaned on Janet a lot when she was dating that one dude that popped up in season one, when Jacks invited the ex-boyfriend to quote unquote, make sure Luke knew what he was getting into. Sure. And Janet's first confessional about it throws Doty under the bus

putting all of the blame on her and Doty's like, what the fuck was that? Like you're my best friend, what the hell happened? So we've been seeing those moments multiple times but having that example come back I think is really important as far as painting Janet as this two-faced person that we all believe her to be

because the way that the cast used to talk about her and the relationships that they had with her compared to what we're seeing like this season is night and day it's completely different so like these examples are good and the other part that's really important we need as many examples as possible as much actual evidence of janet and jason being idiots as we can get because it's proof on their side they always throw allegations out with no proof we don't have an actual moment that occurred so if you can stuff it in their face with just example after example i think it just furthers this

notion that yeah, they really are just shitty people. Yeah, and this was one of the times that they were out on an island that I absolutely adored because they're talking about all of the different situations and everybody's chiming in and we're all talking about how Janet used to be before she started filming. And every time her answer is, well, that's ridiculous. And Jason's answer is, well, that's just not true. It's just simply not true. Okay.

Tell us why it's not true. And they can't. They never have an answer for it. And it comes up time and time again. they're just hammering them over the head with this that you've changed so much. And I'm not saying, yeah, it's not creepy that you're a fan of Bannerpump rules, but it is bizarre that as soon as cameras started rolling, you were a completely different person.

You're talking shit on me and confessionals. Yeah, we weren't in the best place. Yeah, I did ask if it was going to be weird if I was going to be there. But that's what happens. How many times have we seen this on all of these shows where they will reach out? Like the fact that you were still communicating and asking if it's okay, if you can come to something for Kristen asking Janet, is it okay? if I show up at this event when you're there, I don't want things to be weird.

That's pretty normal. If people get into arguments, people get into spats and they're not really talking, yeah, I'm going to reach out and say, hey, is it okay? Like, I know you're hosting this party. Is it okay if I come? Like, maybe we can sit down and talk. That's normal. That's very normal.

What's not normal is completely flipping on somebody who you were friends with, multiple people who you were friends with and you were pleasant with. And now they're telling you, hey, you've completely changed your personality. And your answer is, well, that's ridiculous. It's not. We've heard about it for two seasons and we can see it. And I can't really articulate it. I can't really put words into it on how it's just so believable for us.

Do you know what I mean? Like we're watching this. We've watched two seasons of her and we're hearing, yeah, other people are saying that she used to be different. But in a way, it just makes so much sense. The way that she's acting, it's almost like she's playing a character on a TV show and we can see right through it. Like this isn't how normal people act. it's not how anybody and like there are normal people out there that do act that way but for whatever reason it just doesn't fit her and i can't really say exactly like i can't spell it out exactly what it is but it makes so much sense watching her these last two seasons this this clearly isn't you it might be her now because she's been doing this for like two three years but it wasn't her before and it makes so much sense and there's just nothing to say for the contrary no there's not but what we can keep doing is giving more examples especially don't he just gave one example. Okay. And then Jason wants to say, see, no examples. Danny points out,

we've given many examples. And then Nia jumps in and goes, okay, you guys claim to not be our friends that you didn't really know us before we started filming. Like you came over to our house. You met. You were the first friends to meet our baby. You danced with our child in the living room. They're like, well, yeah, because we really hit it off. And we're like, we just got to know each other. It's like, what? No. It was before filming. Like, yeah. You guys were friends. We really hit it off. Yes.

Correct. Exactly. Like I don't blame Nia. Nia looked like she was just ready to just completely jump off the set. Like this has to be insane to try to explain this to somebody when they're actually regurgitating back to you the information that you fed them. Hey, we were friends before the camera started rolling. Yeah, we really hit it off.

Okay. Then why are you saying that we weren't friends? Exactly. What? Like, it's insane. It doesn't make any sense. And I hope everybody watching at home. And again, everybody hates Janet and Jason.

So I think they are. But I hope everybody at home understands how crazy that is, how bizarre that is to be like, we weren't friends before we started filming the show. But we were friends before we started filming the show. You know what I mean? Sure. Okay, great. You guys understand what I'm talking.

No, nobody knows what you're talking about. Not even remotely. Like, it doesn't track. And that's why I keep saying they're not good at this. And they think they're great at it because they don't ever answer. They sidestep it and say it's ridiculous. That's not a retort. That doesn't work.

It's really fucking annoying. And it's driving me up a goddamn wall. And again, what you pointed out earlier in this moment, because Nia's getting so worked up because she's so frustrated and understandably. So she says to Danny, I think I'm having contractions. So again, Janet,

you want to get on this fucking hill on last season and say, you can't yell at me because I'm pregnant, blah, blah, blah. And yet you're doing this to Nia and you're doing this to Doty, that doesn't make any sense. That's pretty contradictory and tells me that you might just might perhaps be full of shit. Oh, wait, you are. Okay, cool. Oh, you are.

And then, of course, and we had to talk about it for a lot of reasons. And I knew it was going to be the big finale. It's the sexual assault claim. and using that term specifically and what it does, right? Because that's a bold, bold statement. That's something that people can't really come back from. If he's painted as somebody that actually sexually assaulted somebody, it carries a lot of weight.

It can affect his job, his family, his friends, whatever, you name it. So you can tell what Andy's trying to do. He's not trying to take away what happened, but he's trying to get them to understand, like, okay, but you realize, like, what you're saying about this situation is very heavy. And Janet keeps using semantics and, like, legal terms to try to get out of it. She's like, well, I use the legal term for it. It's like, again, this had already been addressed.

This had been addressed with the people that were involved with it, which is important. And if Jasmine wants to bring this up till the end of time, that's her right to do so. I'm on her side with that. But Janet and Jason, you're the ones that are perpetuating this. Jason, in the beginning of episode two, you decided to be an advocate for Jasmine and yell at Danny as to why he was wrong with all of this. Danny never said he wasn't. And we watched him take accountability.

And that first apology, it did suck. And Jasmine wasn't cool with it. So Jasmine brought it up. And then Danny apologized again. Nia acknowledges that he will continue to apologize as many times. times as Jasmine needs him to apologize. But this whole scene, you're watching jazz, wow, I almost called him Jazznet.

Jazznet. Jazznet. You're watching Jasmine. You're watching Janet and Jason try to almost completely spin how Jasmine's feeling about it. To me, it felt like they were gaslighting her into getting upset about it again and admitting and admitting and acknowledging that Danny sexually assaulted her.

That's what it felt like I was watching. Yeah. And they were for the most of the season, they were just trying to explain to the rest of the cast why it's such a problem and how Jasmine felt about it, even though we saw many other scenes where Jasmine was talking about it and articulating how her feelings were on the matter and why she didn't like the first apology. And then we sat down for the second apology and it seemed to clear the air a little bit more. And Jasmine felt better about it. And we didn't hear anything from that point on from Jasmine and Melissa about the conversation until. Janet brought it back up in Hawaii and Melissa stood up and said, shut the fuck up. Can we stop talking about this? They don't want to talk about it anymore, but Janet and Jason are going to continue to perpetuate it because it's now their storyline that they are, they're on a crusade for every woman ever that's ever gone through this and that's what they're going to do.

No one asked them to do that and they're not even doing it and you can see right through it. They're not doing it as a friend to Jasmine. I get it if Jasmine had sat down and we saw a scene and we, you know, we saw the one scene where Nia came over and Janet basically said if you've got a problem with Danny's drinking you can come to me my ex-boyfriend is a piece of shit great that does nothing for anybody thanks Jasmine goes on and starts talking about it more but that was before she sat down and had the conversation so she sat down and had another conversation it should have ended there

unless Jasmine wants to bring it back up but they're not doing it in a way of hey guys it's me Jasmine I need help with this I need you guys to help me out because Danny's not getting it Nia is sweeping it under the rug. Everybody else in the cast is not caring about this. And I feel like I'm on an island by myself. Melissa, and I feel like we've been slighted. If there was a scene like that, then I kind of understand it. I still don't think that Janet and Jason are doing it for the right reasons.

But there wasn't a scene like that. So they took it upon themselves to continue to further this because they have some weird vendetta against Danny and Nia. That's the only reason. That's the only reason that they would do it. Exactly. And that's really the only reason that they would do it. So all this bullshit about like, you know, and nobody ever believes the woman. And this is just how it is being a woman.

And I feel like we needed to just really hammer that home. Jasmine did a pretty good job of hammering that home. And if she wants to hammer at home again, by all means, go ahead and hammer at home again. But that's not your job. That's not what you're supposed to do. You're not doing this because you're being good friends. You're doing this because you're assholes. That's all it is.

Correct. And her rebuttal was because Danny brings up the fact that he had apologized and moved on and the next day he's listening to Janet bring it back up. Janet goes, well, you said I was attacking people. So you took that as an opportunity to attack somebody again, Janet?

Like, what do you, how is that your defense? He said, I attacked people. And then you attacked Danny. Okay. Okay. Do they not hear themselves talking? Well, clearly not because they watched the same show we did and had a completely different take on the matter. So I guess I'm just like

yelling at a wall right now. You can tell they have this self-righteous approach to the whole thing. Like you said that they're on this crusade for everybody on the planet because the way that they're talking is like, okay, I guess we just shouldn't bring it up then. We just should sweep this under the rug. It's like how on earth was this swept under the rug? Like we watched this addressed multiple times throughout the season. We watched Jasmine talk about it.

We watched her talk about Melissa. We watched one apology that was half-assed. So we redid that, had another good apology. And Danny makes a great point. and we've said it multiple times if jasmine wants to bring it up again or like you said if jasmine went to those two and said hey i feel like i'm not being heard i feel like this was swept then you have a different stance but that's not what happened you guys are continuing to bring it upon yourselves because you need a storyline so you're bringing this up over and over

again and the biggest problem here is obviously janin and jason are the ones bringing it up and obviously Danny's reaction to them bringing it up is ridiculous. Like, why are we bringing this up? Why are you guys talking about this? I think even if Jasmine hadn't sat down with somebody else in the cast or one of her friends or whoever it may have been, if someone else with more credibility had said something to Danny about it, said something to Nia about it, if Kristen and Luke heard about it and they sat down and had conversations with them about it, that's one thing.

I think that Danny and Nia would have treated it a little differently. They would have been like, oh, fuck, like, oh, okay, yeah, I guess we have to do this on camera, blah, blah, blah, but they would have had a different response to it. They would have had a different interaction and a different narrative, a different conversation because it's Janet and Jason bringing it up and everybody knows how they are, everybody knows why they're doing it. That's why Danny had such an outlandish reaction to it and started calling Janet a snake. That's exactly why. If it was anybody else, it would have been something different. I don't think this is Danny responding to somebody else on the cast, bringing it up. And if it was, then we probably would have been like, Danny.

What the fuck, dude? Like, right, they feel bad for Jasmine. Jasmine's clearly going through it. She doesn't really know how to get through it. She doesn't know what to do or say to you to try to understand how it is. And she doesn't feel comfortable around you. So I'm talking to you as a friend. There was never a point where Janet and or Jason sat down with Danny and or Nia and had a friend conversation like, dude, what the fuck?

What is this? Now you're making people uncomfortable because you're drinking a lot. you're hiding in the pantry and drinking more in front of Janet there was never a point where either of them tried to do it in a friend way like a concerned friend would do as a mutual friend between the two parties they never did it that way they always just jumped to accusations they jumped to using those words and slandering his name that's all they wanted to do and that's all they wanted to accomplish so it's just so easy to see and everybody on the cast can see it that's why nobody's really chiming in that's why nobody's really going and help trying to help janin and jason in

this situation or help jasmine unfortunately because jasmine's now back in the wrong horse jasmine's now over here with janin and jason and she shouldn't be and now people online are going to hate jasmine because they feel like she's bringing it up jasmine's allowed to bring it up jasmine's allowed to do this she backed the wrong horse it's not really her fault i feel bad for jasmine in this situation because she's getting lumped with them she's getting pushed in with janin and jason because of what janin and jason are doing jasmine's not really doing anything more she doesn't want to talk about it yes she's okay to get mad again because the situation's brought up. We're talking about it at fucking nauseam and she is part of it. And now of course, yeah, it's going to bring up feelings about

Danny that she doesn't really want to talk about. She doesn't want to deal with. She's getting angry. I get that. Understand all of that. But without Janet and Jason there, we probably could have moved on. She'd probably start feeling more comfortable with Danny. Instead, she has to relive it all the time because Janet and Jason want to push it. That's the problem. Exactly. And that self-righteous bullshit behavior from Janet and Jason are actually, putting her in a worse position and you watch her like in this scene and i'm with you i feel bad for her and like i've seen the posts online like she is getting dragged which she shouldn't be getting dragged for this situation she was the one that was slighted but by these two

fucking social justice warriors to her right speaking up on it continuously it's bringing her back into it so now she feels some type of way and you can see her trying to work through it in real time with zach because they keep saying sexual assault and the definition of it, this, that, the other. And Zach's like, well, yeah, technically by definition. And then Jason gives some shit about battery or whatever the fuck, it kept going. Jasmine says to Zach, like in the moment, yeah, I felt that way because I was really heated. When I had time to like take a breath, analyze the situation, my thoughts and feelings changed. I talk to Danny, blah, blah, blah.

Like she says that to Zach sitting next to her. So I feel really bad that she's now part of this villain tree. that's going after Danny in Jasmine, Janet, and Jason, I don't think that's what happened. And I think she's getting the shit end of the stick here because I think that anybody in that situation would get emotional. You would get upset. You would remember that night and be like, fuck, yeah, that was really, really awful. Fuck you, Danny.

And that kind of negates the apology, at least for that brief moment in time. And like, that's okay. Yeah, sure. But it's not okay that Janet and Jason. continue to sit on this high horse and use Jasmine to push their point across because you're using her as collateral damage in a situation that she is the one that was victimized. So that's not okay. And so by them trying to be her defenders, they're actually putting her in a worse spot.

And that's they're too blind to see that, obviously. It's a bummer. Like it really, that whole scene really sucked. And I felt, I'm on your side. I felt bad for Jasmine. It's like a, it's a lose, lose situation there because you're back in these two. and like because of who you're with yeah yeah it was it was unfortunate to watch but you know the one thing that you can take away from it from all of the responses on social media when it

comes to all the things that are being said about danny i don't think it's going to negatively impact his life i think that most people watching are are looking at what janet and jason are doing and condemning it and hopefully after the the dust settles from this reunion people will be able to take a step back from jasmine and not go after her she she was in a lose lose situation here and she shouldn't have been but her quote unquote friends continued to put her in that spot and that's bullshit but that's pretty much it i mean we get the the zen party recap about the you know the zen party recap the only thing that came from that was jesse's girlfriend's showed up and there was a whole shit storm but michel couldn't talk about it because there's lawyers involved

Andy was pissed and he was like dude like you're really going to have your girlfriend show up at an all cast party if she was here right now I'd mic her up I'd want to talk to her I want to get I want to do all these things and he's like you understand that right and Jesse's like yeah yeah I understand that's okay good that's all we need to talk about for that because apparently we can't talk about anything else because lawyers were threatened and Michelle's lawyer said we can't talk about this so that's kind of shitty that's stupid because it seems like something that again furthers the storyline of Jesse and Michelle, but we can't talk about it because we don't have any of the context and we can't talk about anything at the reunion. So it's just, it's, it's a nightmare of a situation. I mean, if you're, yeah, if you're going to date somebody on a reality show, you have to be on the show. I'm sorry, but like, you do. And well, if you're not going to be on the show, then you can't do these types of things.

That's the problem. So hopefully they straighten it out next year. I think that it got his point across because that's what Jesse was trying to defend. it you know he's like well she's not part of the show this that the other it's like and andy's andy's read on him was fucking great and he's like let me tell you how this goes because this is a hot set if she was here right now you know what let's call her up do you understand and jesse looked like a hurt puppy's like yeah yeah fine fine daddy andy damn it seriously no it was good so i don't think you make that mistake again yeah and it was good for union honestly

this was one of the one of the few that needed three parts definitely needed three parts we got through everything i don't think there was any scraps left out there i don't think there was anything there was no big no big storylines and you can take it from us because we had to talk about it every week i had no issues there was nothing there so take it to the bank we actually enjoy the three part reunion that's good for hey that is good for us and i if any show could do it it's this one there was enough content to discuss and they didn't have a reunion last year yeah correct So, yeah, it was a good season, obviously, you know, a couple things for next year. I fully agree with Doty.

Can we keep the fucking legal stuff out of it? Because that's so not fun. It's like, we can't do this because of our lawyers. Let's not do that. Yeah. You know, we can, we're going to have a season of trying to step away from the Jacks Taylor stuff, which is going to be interesting to watch. I hope that they don't overcorrect as we're worried about this offseason.

We'll see how they handle it, uh, knowing who's involved with this show. they're going to fumble because they're fucking bad at their jobs. But I want this show to continue to be good. It's a show that because of their age and because of the place that they're at in life, like this could go for a while. It's not, you're not setting a show up on young 20 somethings working at a bar. We're talking about family life and life thereafter. Like this could be a long running show if they don't fuck it into the ground for lack of a better

term. Yeah, seriously. Fingies crossed. Fingies crossed on that one. But let's get to some questions. Tie a bow on this bad boy. From Egan's one, two, three, is Jason just a Lulu or too

loyal? Even Janet seems surprised by some of the things that he said. I think he he's lost. He's lost, but I think you know, you spend so much time around that crazy. I think you start to seep into real life.

So I think it's a little bit of both, honestly. this is crazy from pretty ricky 22 are jasmine and britt actually the messy ones and janet is just taking the fall that's ludicrous no ludicrous thing to say absolutely not uh from kate elftman are janet and jason good tv or do we dislike them too much to even be good tv that is a question i don't think they're good TV, but I, oh, I don't really know. They're good for a short-lived moment. Like, they brought us things to talk about this season. Okay.

That's what they did. This stick will not play for multiple seasons. It simply will not. So this season, sure, it gave us stuff to talk about. It gave us people to hate and that's important. and you need somebody to not like on the show. So all of those things are true. It will not be a successful formula moving forward.

So they're going to have to figure out something else to do or just fuck off. Yeah. John Cratelli, best three part in recent memory. Yes. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Yes, it definitely was. From Mason, Kathy, how long until Jackson, Brittany, announced they've reconciled and are expecting their second kid.

Yeah. Yeah, probably a couple months. I really do think, obviously we all think that Brittany should not do that. But if you have to ask me, I do think by the beginning of next season, by the time it airs, they're going to have been reconciled. And they're just trying to figure things out. From Ha, Haley-Oh, why didn't anyone call out Janet for asking Michelle to clarify? by Brittany's experience. That's what I said.

Why do we go down the line to clarify something that happened? Like, just fucking say it if you know what's up. That just shows you the lack of evidence that they had about Danny's quote, unquote, behavior. Yep. Lindsay L30 or I-30, do you think Jason was projecting onto Danny his drinking issues? I mean, him saying that he struggles with it was a strange stitch in the middle of that whole thing.

It just kind of, to me, negates his arguments because, I don't know, that was bizarre. I agree with this from Amy DeGrush. Why didn't Andy press Janet on our false Danny accusations same for Britt? He did, he did take up to Danny in like, yeah, as far as trying to explain the gravity of what they were saying and that these two things weren't matching up. I think that that's a tough spot to. be in because on the flip side, the longer you discuss it, even if Danny didn't do anything wrong, the more you're talking about it on TV, the more attention is going to be drawn to it. And if there is something going on, you probably don't need to keep hammering at home.

Yeah, for sure. I'm going to do this as a last one here because there's two of them. I've got to find the other one real quick. from 77 care bear 44 not a question but a comment can you keep doing your jason impression next season and from hot cakes 1987 not a question just going to miss steals jason impression now that it's over so look at that you got a little kudos for your impression i try i tried to do it as much as i could this episode because i'm going to miss doing it you know there's a lot of fun talk like that idiot don't worry don't worry we're getting close to football season which means

patrick mahomes is coming back and i don't like him yeah i can do that impression because he sounds to say that impression and if we get anybody who's british you'll have the weird british australian accents coming oh yeah it kind of goes back and forth there yeah that's one of my yeah that's always fun not usually it's like cockney and then it turns into australian yeah that was actually good you did i don't do it on command maybe that helps for now Thank you, thank you, Sam. I have another. Well, good season.

I'm looking forward to a season that's not so dark, hopefully next year, but hopefully they don't need that to have a successful show. I guess that's the next question is, do they need that much dark shit for them to perform well? I hope not. But so long, Jacks Taylor, kick rocks, you moron. Hope we never see him again. Logan was talking shit on him on watching What Happens Live.

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