Bros & Shows - Jaqueline Comes with Peace, Love, Light and Balloons (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

What's up bros? Happy New Year to everyone! We wanted to make sure you had an episode to usher in the New Year. In this episode of RHOP, the group heads to Panama. Before we get there, Jaqueline crashes Karen's love lagoon party and claims that it was not a malicious act... She came with peace, love and light, and gets hit with a lawsuit for trespassing by Karen. Stacey is becoming tired of everyone picking on her and TJ. Mia continues to get messier and messier when she brings up Gizelle's kids again. Claiming that she has her kids best interest at heart and that Gizelle only posts the highlight reel of her kids. Are we supposed to post on instagram when our kids do bad things? Wendy chose chaos in room assignments as she pairs a lot of people with people they arent getting along with which should make for an eventful trip. After a wild dinner, it does seem like Karen and Gizelle would like to try and move forward with Karen. Whether or not that's possible remains to be seen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros, or soon-to-be bros and shows.

Yes, it's actually happening, but I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only holiday goots. What's up, dude? It feels so weird. This is obviously the time of year when you have no idea what day of the week it is. Everyone has to remind you that they don't know what day it is, by the way. Yeah, everyone says, I don't know what day it is. I truly didn't.

I only knew that yesterday was Sunday because I went to the Eagles game, and now I am painfully hung over, but I have no work this week, so hanging out. Yeah, and you know what? If there was ever a day to go all out, it's on a day that the Eagles beat the Cowboys, 41 to 7. What an ass kicking. How embarrassing for that team down south. Anybody that's a Cowboys fan that listens to us,

you guys can't defend it anymore. You are the worst team in the NFL. It's embarrassing. And we hope and pray that Jerry Jones lives forever. Mike McCarthy never gets fired. And he continue to run this team into the ground year after year because it gives us life. It always does. And right now I don't have much life.

But yesterday I had a lot of life. It was a weird game, too. it was one of those like there was no anxiety and then out of nowhere it was a blowout and there was two backup quarterbacks playing it was very very weird but uh great time i had a great time just just just seepy just i'm just a seepy boy just the seepy boy right now well that's okay because we got a little bit of business to take care of then you can get back to uh getting down or whatever the hell it is that you do out there in uh the big city but we wanted to make sure that we get some content out for you all this week it's going to be a little bit of a

mishmash. We do have an actual episode today. We got to talk about Potomac from last week. That's what we're here to discuss. Our next couple of episodes this week, we will see what we do. I think we can definitely get a sold on SLC. Yeah.

Because that was out last week. And then, then it's a flip of a coin. I don't know. Maybe we'll do a rewatch. Maybe we'll do a little bit of a news update because there is some news. A lot of news. I think we should just drop the big one right now.

And then we'll get into Potomac. the rumors were true. Page and Craig are no more. I think it's sad because it was such a healthy relationship. That sounds like the breakup was healthy as well. I mean, for anyone that says they didn't see it coming,

I mean, I think we all saw it coming, right? Like along the way, you saw the signs. It just didn't seem like it was ever going to pan out despite how much we all wanted it to pan out. Yeah, it was one of those things that, you know, the writing was on the wall. Even Steele and I just stopped talking about it. Yes, we did.

Because there was no updates, and they would just constantly talk about how they're not doing anything. And that's not a good sign. We like both of them. It sounds like it was a very clean, healthy breakup, and they're going to be okay. Page, I guess, announced it on Giggly Squad. So that's kind of how the news broke out. So we'll have to see how that goes. It's going to be kind of tough, though, watching Southern Charm.

And then I assume Summerhouse, Craig will probably be in that, too. So it'll be very odd to watch them. And I don't think this is the type of thing that like usually we can look for the cracks and say, oh, it started here. It started there. I don't think we're going to be able to see any of that. I think it's going to be more of the same. And then we already know like why they broke up. They just wanted different things.

And that's okay. You know, it's okay. I think it's insurmountable differences that's going to be the end all, be all this thing. She wants to stay in New York. You want to stay in Charleston. It is what it is. I wonder now that I'm putting my in honor of Craig putting my tinfoil hat on real quick. Yeah.

I wonder if this. news was dropped timely because of some things that we may see in Southern Charm this season. Possibility. You know, maybe that I do think. I do think that I do think the little bit to where like the network was like, hey, just like keep it hush, hush until like this date and then you can drop it. Yeah. I think again, I think we're just going to see more of the same. And yeah, it might be like a little bit more in depth than we've seen in the best. Yeah, maybe a little more contentious. But still, I don't think it's going to be like anything messy. I don't think they're going to get in the fights on these shows. I think it's just going to be like,

like okay yeah this makes sense it does i think that it was time i think that we've as we decided to stop discussing it it was the same thing you know every month every week every the last year or two three years like we've been doing this we stopped talking about it for the past year and now that we have more to talk about where we have some information but that's the thing i don't think you have to dive too deep into this one again i think it was a mature breakup two people that we like we like them together it just didn't pan out easy and peas for uh c and p nice so it's all i'm that's all we have to say honestly because we like both of them and we are not going to rag on anybody no there's no point to sad is what it is and uh we'll all have to move on with our lives

which is going to be tough you know yeah you know it's a new era it's no longer the era of craig and page who's who's the next up for best bravo couple That's going to be the fun thing, because this is like the only healthy relationship. Stop it. Shut. You shut up. That's, we're just going to see more of his mesh shirts and his nipples out.

I don't need to see him ever again. He stuck. Yeah. Stucks. He stucks. He stucks. He stucks big time. Let me tell you.

But let's get into this week of Potomac. I didn't watch this until today. Yeah. It's been out for a while. This was an action-packed episode. There's a lot to discuss. So I don't think we need the dilly dally. We should probably jump right in.

Then we start out at the Love Lagoon Party. Obviously, Jacqueline showed up with a bunch of balloons. We didn't know really what was going on. She brought her old dog. Was that supposed to be a buffer so that she didn't catch as much shit? I guess. Don't use an elderly dog for people to not feel at you? That's awful.

Yeah, very weird to bring the dog. And people don't like you to begin with. So don't bring a dog into this because then people are going to look at the dog and be like, now we don't like your dog yeah no it's and it's never the dog's fault it's the owner and Jacqueline is not somebody that we like not somebody that a lot of people on the cast like

it was just stupid like you can do all you want you can say I showed up under like good like pretences I came over with good intentions like no you didn't just shut up you didn't do any of that you walked in with eight balloons and said each of these balloons

stands for a conviction in what world is this coming in and being peaceful and saying, I want to move on, we're trying to set, set them free so they can float away, much like your worries and your, yeah, the balloons don't make the convictions go away. She still has to go to court. Also, what you just did is walked into her party at her house and then called attention to the fact that she has a criminal case against her with her guests there when you were explicitly not invited. It wasn't like she forgot to invite you or left you out because you wanted to be shady. She told you to your face, you're not coming to my party. And then you still show up. And we know why she's showing up. Mia 100% is behind this. Yeah.

Like, why does she think that anybody's going to believe her? I don't know. Oh, Jacqueline was in the area. So she just wanted to stop by. Like, that is never an excuse. There is no such thing as in the area in suburbia of D.C. No, you're not just stopping by. Absolutely.

She didn't even know where she lived. She had no idea where she lived. So how are you in the area? Address. Yeah. you're not in the area if you don't know where somebody lives no and but watching ray kick them out was hysterical because he's got his arm around jacklin leading them down the they get all the way to the end of the driveway i don't know if that's him making sure they're off the property i don't know if

he got lost halfway down there i was like uh what are we doing ladies and then they're like ray get back here's like oh right right marmades and then he bounced back to the pool don't put your arm around her come on right but then you get mea and jacklin in the street saying like well you can stand here this is public property saying yeah sure if you want to stand at the end of a drive by awkwardly by yourself you are technically allowed to do that when Mia starts to get into the laws behind trespassing I don't believe and again not lawyers we always have to remind you that we are not lawyers allegedly but up there's Dev if you're watching YouTube well dev shout out there she is bye but I don't want to

discuss the legalities I'm pretty sure if you rent a property people can still trespass on your property because you're renting that property. That would be a pretty big loophole. I feel like people would take advantage of that. If it was renters, people would just break in and be like, it's not trespass because you don't own it. Yeah. And then it becomes squatting and we don't know what that's all about.

So pretty much, again, anything that me and Jacqueline are doing is bad. It's just not good. They're just not good people. It's not good. It's clunky. It's like they're not polished about. like how they're going about it it's so obvious that me is behind it jackland's clearly a mouthpiece she's so insufferable to watch like it's i i have secondhand embarrassment she's not entertaining

it's not like the eight convictions and eight balloons i didn't think it was that clever like ashley says later like i loved it and i was like really like it's just not that's so weird yeah i thought it was a bizarre and then for me to try to reason with karen like what's your issue what do you mean she was not invited she walks in and talks about convictions and they're talking about like it's all she came with love and she wants you to to receive it and I'm so sick of that excuse like if that's not how you received it like it's not my fault it's like no offense but you're a dick like that's the same thing you can't just it's not how she receives it it's what you did you walked in there with eight balloons for eight convictions and acted like I'm coming with love like no you're not

nobody wanted you there not like none of the viewers wanted you there as soon as you showed up everybody just had a collective groan. You can hear it. You can hear it. Like, I did it. I know that, but I couldn't really hear other people doing it because I probably did it. Sunday night last week I was sitting in my house and I just heard, oh, and I was like,

what is that? I looked at my window. I couldn't know. Everybody in the neighborhood watching, seeing Jacqueline pull up and go, oh, I don't want to see you. No, especially with that poor old dog. Like, leave the dog out of it. But we get to the airport and Ashley gets dropped off by Josh, aka Jack Harlow. I Josh Harlow

Josh Harlow I thought it was strange later when Mia or sorry Wendy questions the accomplishments of Jack Harlow it's like he's like a multi platinum recording artist Yeah you may not like his music But I think he's done a lot in the business

Yeah Look I usually stand up for that because I am pretty shady about Especially the people on Bravo that starts singing But don't don't cover Jack He doesn't need to catch a stray Yeah I know and he's he's Very accomplished I don't know that was weird

But Wendy has zero expectations for this crew. What is really funny when we find out later is she came into this clearly with an agenda. Like a Wendy that we thought was, you know, staying out of the mess this year, just kind of doing your own thing. The shade's still in there, which I'm happy about because I do think, yes. And I also think that it's coming with a different error about it. It's almost like this will be fun rather than her trying to just cause chaos. It's more like, this will be entertaining.

but I'm glad that Karen and Giselle link up and have a little discussion. It's like, all right, this has gotten out of hand. I think that these two, these two be like Mia and Jacqueline. It's time for an OG check. It's time for us to get together and put them in their place. I'm like, you know what it really is? Because these two are getting too big for their bridges. I don't know who they think they are.

Mia, I get it. Like she thinks that she's HBIC. She wants to be more towards the top, whatever. Jacqueline, you're not even on the radar. You're not even a blip. You're an afterthought. So I think it's time that they got put in their place. I think that Giselle and Karen are the ones to do it.

I think that they are, is enough ammo. Obviously, Giselle's been a little bit less outspoken than Karen. And as we know, Giselle likes to save things up. And that's what we've watched her do this season. In situations where she catches a little bit of shade, a little bit of heat, she hasn't really responded yet. So we've been waiting for that moment for Giselle to finally go off. Because we know she's going to have a laundry list of like, all right, boom, boom, boom, and go through it with Mia.

So I thought that that was good foreshadowing. But when it shakes out later, I was confused by that scene because it didn't land like I thought it would. No, it definitely didn't. It was weird because Giselle just seemed underprepared for something that they started talking about the airport and like how we were not prepared for that later. And now I will say, I think Giselle coming from Giselle to have like the OG chat to like really check them, that's fine when Giselle does it. Karen, there's too much to lose there. Like there is so much going on with the DUI and like you're not talking about it. As soon as you open your mouth and you try to be shady to somebody, they can just bring

that up right away and you're going to freak out. So maybe don't put your neck out like that. It's almost like she forgets half the time. Like she doesn't think people are going to come for her and I'm like, Mia is coming for you pretty much every episode. I think she's bigger than. Yeah. Like untouchable almost and say, no, no you're not.

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And Giselle and Karen, like, we're going to go. Like, you can wait for your bestie or whatever because Mia was walking again. And Jacqueline's like, that's fine. I'm going to wait for Mia because I actually have a best friend. It's like, cool, bro. No one gives this shit about your weird relationship with Mia. And it begs the question once again. I've asked it before,

who does Jacqueline think Mia is? And who does Jacqueline think that we think Mia is? She clearly thinks that she holds some high standing with not only the group, but the general public. And it's so funny to watch her clamor for Mia's attention. When no one at home thinks that Mia is. anything. We're like, you're trying to be the cool kid with the not cool kid. Like, it's not cool to like Mia because none of us like Mia. Yes, she's entertaining for TV. No, she's not

HBO. No, she's not going to propel you into stardom. You're just burying yourself and attaching yourself to a sinking ship and acting like we the audience are on your team or understand what's going on. Jacqueline's play this year has been bizarre. It makes me uncomfortable. I get awkward watching it. I want it to stop. It's not like a fun thing for me anymore. I just wish that she was off the show. She's the only part of this show that I don't like right now.

I agree with that. And she's not doing enough to like, like nothing she's doing is fun. Nothing she's doing is like actually adding to the narrative. It's just boring and annoying. And it's so tired. And I'm so tired of watching her clamor for Mia's love. And like, I guess.

Who are you trying to convince that you guys are friends? I don't care if you're friends. Exactly. nothing you do bothers me nothing well a lot of things that they do bother me actually but nothing she does ever actually means anything to me it's just like whatever like enough like just move on we don't want to see you anymore we're you're not like doing something that's like really resonating with the audience where everybody's going to be like oh my god jacclan had such a good episode nobody's ever going to say that no because she's too fucking weird and the relationship

with mea is too fucking weird everybody just wants to move on with their lives and just like not acknowledge it let's just do that just go away now like yeah yeah Just move on. We're done. But we get to the sprinter van. It's a two-hour drive to the resort, which is tough. I'll give you that. Like, after you travel internationally, the last thing you want to do is sitting

a sprinter van for two hours. But on the way there, they're chit-chatting about stuff. And Stacey brings up T.J. at Karen's event. And you can tell she's starting. She has been a good sport about the T.J. stuff. I will give her that. She's starting to get annoyed by it. But I also think it's interesting because you can tell at times.

that she is giving what the group is saying some thought, where she actually is like, ooh, maybe they're out of something. But then she hangs out with T.J. I guess and like she changes her perspective a little bit. But she's starting to get irritated. And she's saying,

look, like it feels you guys are coming for me and T.J. I don't understand it. Karen points out, it just feels like there's simply no chemistry there. You guys had a Christian kiss, as they call it, which then they show the kiss.

And it was like very awkward. His eyes were open. It was a peck on the lips. She's trying to be more intimate, like puts her hand on his face. And he's just like, which is weird. And then one scene she's claiming that they're in love. And then at the pool scene, he's like, we're not really a relationship. Like I actually agree with what so-and-so said that it doesn't count for us.

We're actually a couple. So I don't know why she wants to die on this hill. I get that she doesn't want to be romantic. She's saying that because of her divorce until that's final. And she's processed that she's not ready to be intimate or whatever. But that's also contradictory because there's. been times and we've seen it where it seems like you want more from this relationship, T.J. can't give you more from this relationship. All of your friends in the group are trying to

point out, there's a lot of red flags with this dude. I'm not even going to mention the Bugs Bunny of it all. So I don't know. Although I think you should. Hey, no, I don't want to talk about the Bugs Bunny thing or what he does with it or how long he's had it. What it is exactly. Stop it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't think we need to discuss it. It's a weird situation, but I think it's stranger. And I think that what we've gotten to now is we're at the point where she's so sick of defending it and sick of being in the crosshairs that she's now going to defend it to the end of the earth and not see what they're saying anymore. I think it's gotten to the point where you keep poking somebody enough. They're going to get irritated and they're going to push them

towards the problem. And I think that that's what's happening. I think now she's like, you guys just need to leave it alone. I'm team TJ and it's going to make her more team DJ instead of, hey, look at this weird relationship and maybe get out of it like maybe one yeah yeah it's bizarre the whole thing is bizarre and i don't know what she's doing right now it's almost sort of like oddly enough and i feel bad even saying this but i get some vibes from stacy that are very similar to brittany in salt lake city where like she's trying to defend like jared ozman it is really mean i feel bad saying it but i do get those vibes we're like we don't know what's going on half the time she's defending them but like we can tell that she is

is uncomfortable with it like we're obviously very uncomfortable watching it and you can tell that like something is eating away at her but then randomly she'll defend it you're like well you kind of took a couple of steps forward and then you took a million steps back like right afterwards so i don't really get it so i'm interested to see where this is going to go because obviously we know they're still together he was on watch what happened live with her what a couple of weeks ago so they're still together now so i don't think we're going to see any real drastic change like at all i don't either i don't think we're going to see a whole lot of movement i think that there's going to be an episode towards the end of the season where it kind of shakes out and like

there's either a come to jesus moment or like a breakup or some kind of thing that pushes the narrative like either we move forward or we call it quits yeah but that's also that my all of my theories get blown out of the water when i remember that she was on watch what happens live with TJ when they were done filming. So then it's hard for me to theorize like what's going on with these two because they're still technically together as far as I'm concerned because of that watch what happens live episode. So it's like,

yeah, like is there going to be an announcement at the end of the year? They finally had sex. Like I don't know or just. If she goes full circle and she goes if she goes full Brittany and she does like the glass ting ting ting ting ting, I've got an announcement. We had sex. Then she is full Britney at that way. need so we'll wait and see but it's not even that they don't have to bang it's just like

some form of intimacy yeah where it doesn't look like you're weird to kiss you yeah exactly it's just it's all strange but why is nobody thinking of us like we're weird i know what the hell guys that's where you get the jack harlowe comment because wendy is questioning josh and apparently jack harlowe's only famous because he's white uh i don't know It was a strange stray for Jack Holla to catch. Again, he's a fairly successful recording artist, but whatever. It's neither here nor there. They get to the villas, and you can tell by the rooming lists that Wendy came in,

and she even says, I decided to choose chaos on this trip. Because she stuck Karen with Jacqueline, which I think is funny. She stuck Stacy with Giselle, which is funny. So she's looking forward to a little bit of mayhem on the trip. And I think that it was important for her to show this, because while I've really enjoyed Wendy, this season kind of staying out of things. Yeah. I think it's important for her character arc on the season to show like, oh, no, I'm still

going to get into some shit. I just have taken a different approach. And I really like this approach, too. I didn't realize that Jazeel was that uncomfortable with Stacey. Neither did I. I was really confused by that. I didn't think. I thought that I missed something and then they kind of went back and talked about it.

And I'm like, oh, well, that's nothing. Why is Jazeel so weird about this? Like, Giselle's not somebody in my mind who usually gets upset about things like that. And then I'm like, like, what is it? She just finds her annoying. Okay. I didn't think Stacey was like really annoying to begin with. I didn't either, but I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe it's the one on the one. She doesn't want to do. I'm not. It's confusing to me, but maybe we'll see more of it, uh, during this trip. We get to dinner. I thought way too much emphasis was placed on the devil costume guy dancing. And I think, uh, the waiter kind of solidified that.

They're like, what's the deal with the devil? He's like, you know, they're dancing. he says dancing mask it's a fire I don't know I work here lady like what do you want for me what do you want for dinner yeah you can look at them many for 20 minutes talking about the devil can we just order

some goddamn food but Karen says it's because darkness is upon her that the devil mask man approached her that's also implying that this probably 20 to 22 year old person in this costume that gets paid to wear it that's probably

miserable has any ties to the devil. You're implying that the hotel worker wearing the devil mask also does devil stuff. And I'm sure it's just a worker there that's like, oh, God, like, hey, Tony, you're on the devil costume tonight.

It's like, oh, come on. That mask is so heavy. They're like, no, you're up, dude. Everybody thinks that on the actual devil and they think I'm a weird omen, nobody wants to get near me. I just want to dance and have a good time. Can I be an angel? No, you're the devil.

Nope, you're the devil. See you, Tony. Bob, your construction worker, and Jimmy, you got backwards hat. But, Tony, I need you to put the devil on tonight. I think now you're just starting to explain men at work. Or the village people, either or. Yeah, that's who I meant, the village people was. I know, it's all good.

But that's what the vibe was, and then you threw the devil in there. I didn't think that much you need to be said about it. But Karen says that Jacqueline is the darkness, which brings up all of the pool shenanigans at the Love Lagoon. Giselle's the one that points out, you can't sit there and claim that your intentions were good when you showed up with eight balloons that represent eight citations because that was fucked up.

You coming to her house uninvited was also fucked up. The whole situation was fucked up. And Ashley pointing out that they dropped the pizza off at Cairns in 2018 is not the same thing. It's not the same thing at all. I thought that was such like a useless little comment to throw in there and be like, oh, this is so, this is completely the same thing. Like, why is she upset about this now?

Like, no, it's not at all. Why? No. It's not even remotely the same thing because they're completely different scenarios. And then for Jacqueline to essentially mansplain what symbolism is to the entire group. It's like most of your degrees or at least graduated high school. I don't know. It's like, oh, you're going to outsmart the group now?

Like, what are you talking about? Like, nobody in this group is stupid. There's a lot of things going to be. Jacqueline is probably the dumbest of them all. That's what the vibe I get is that she's the least intelligent. But I do need Jacqueline to start. I need Jacqueline to start explaining things more. Like, just very casual things that we all know exactly what they are.

I want to hear what Jacqueline has to say about those. Like, explain everything to me. I want to see how your brain works because it's not working well. She said symbolism eight times. Yep. It's symbolism. The balloons are symbolism. Symbology.

For them being heavy on your heart. heart and then you release them into the air it's symbolism do you guys get it yeah everybody get that everyone fucking gets it it's not a good metaphor and it was a mean thing to do and then for you to sit here and defend it and say i came with peace love and light and now everyone knows my intentions i needed to make a statement nobody there was like oh this is good how sweet good yeah she looks great right now you really great job jacquel yeah well you really got your point across we all know where you're coming from now you look thirsty you look annoying you look mean and you hate environment and that you hate the environment and then garen slapped you with a

lawsuit because you're trespassing i don't know how much that's going to i don't think that one's going to hold up that much i don't think that trespassing law there's no way that she actually contacted a lawyer about that right oh yeah i would think so i would imagine she made sure and the lawyer was probably like, eh, you've got your own case going on, like maybe not? Why are you calling me? Yeah. You have something else going on? Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days, delivered

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Every conspiracy theory is true. We all have to get on with our lives anyway. Welcome to Night Vale is available wherever you get your podcasts. No? Okay. All right. Our case did not get dropped. And now you want to add another one to the list? I think that's probably a bad idea. Of course, Mia's trying to defend it, I guess. Well, she's like, she could have done a lot worse. It's like, shut up. We know that you're behind this.

We know that this was your master plan. When it shows the cutback scene to the actual event, Mia's just sitting there like cackling at Jacqueline. And everyone else is just like stonefaced. Like what the fuck's going on? Mia's laughing. And you know why she's laughed because she's behind it. She's also not dumb.

Mia's not dumb. So Mia knows exactly how this is going to come off. She knows how Jacqueline's going to respond. She knows what kind of shit Jacqueline's going to get for. Jacqueline is so far up Mia's ass. She can't see that this is a bad idea because she just wants to make Mia happy. So it's like a win-win for Mia. But she also thinks that she, this is where she gets herself into trouble because she thinks she's smarter than everybody in the room.

Yeah. And you're not. So everyone sees through it. You're putting Jacqueline in a shitty spot. She's going to listen to you because she's an idiot. And here we are. And I'm glad that Giselle decided to finally go in on

Mia, but the way that she pulled back so fast, I was really confused because she brings up the facts like, Mia, you're lashing out. Clearly you're lashing out because you brought my kids into it. We get back into the DR thing where Giselle's daughters were sneaking boys in to the house,

which again, they're teenagers. They snuck in teenage boys into the house. Like, not breaking news at all. Did you see the discourse from this? that Mia and Giselle had to go to the producers because apparently Mia called Giselle's daughter's

whores. Yes, I did. Multiple times. Why the fucking hell would you ever do that? Because. What is doing? For any parent and like look, like if you're just salty and like you're just hating life right now, I get it. Do not call children that. Just not at all. That's fucking

disgusting. And I get it. Like, Giselle wanted to make sure that that didn't err because she doesn't want her daughters to see it. She doesn't want people talking about it. Mia went with Giselle to do that because it looks bad for her. But we all know about it now. So now we're looking at you and you're like fucking deplorable.

It's like, well, that's gross. Move on. We already knew you were a bad person, but this is disgusting. Don't do that ever again. And leave the goddamn kids out of it. Rule number one. Rule number one, leave the kids out of it. I don't understand why they're horrors for inviting boys back to the house. Like they're fucking teenagers. Like, we all did that kind of shit. It's not that big of a deal. And it's such a weird argument

where she's like, oh, but you just put on social media that like it's this perfect family and they're perfect. It's like, what parent blasts their kid on social media when they do stupid shit? Like that would be a really bad look for a parent. Like, oh, here's a video of my teenager sneaking in boys post, put it on my story and tag them. What do you want her to do? Of course you're getting the highlight reel. That's all Instagram and everything is. It's a highlight reel.

Nobody's life is as perfect as Instagram makes it out to be. That's like a whole thing. So, of course, she's not putting, nobody does that. Now, show me one parent, except those, like, weird parents that think they're making a statement by embarrassing their children, which that's a whole different category of asshole. Different podcast for a different day. That's, that's fuck these parents. That's a new podcast. We're starting.

Yeah. But of course they're not doing that. And her whole defense is, well, you guys came after me when I posted things on my story about my family, but her reasoning behind it's so bizarre. And again, it's the context in which that. happen because the day before you're in tears at this GNA event about Gordon and about his treatment of you and the kids and about how messy this whole thing has gotten with ink and that you need a little bit of space from ink or ink needs space from Gordon and the kids so he's taking some time off you said that and the next day they're all at the pool together

and you're posting stories like it's all good it's all hunky dory that doesn't make any sense so people are going to question that they're not saying that you can't post happy things on your social media, the stories don't line up. But her reasoning and her defense of it made zero fucking sense to me. She's like, because of my situation, and look, yeah, her situation

is fucked up. Like she comes from a weird background. I'm not taking away from that. But in this instance, to use that, where she's like, this is my background. I have a bonus mom. So on Mother's Day, I like to highlight all the moms. On Father's Day, I'm going to highlight all the dads. I'm like, what does that have to do with fucking anything? That has

nothing to do with what we're talking about. And then the last thing I need in the world is for your little puppet, Jacqueline, to then jump in and tell the entire group and audience at home, you guys don't understand what Mia's going through. She's making it worse, though. That's the whole thing. Obviously, Jacqueline's making it worse because she makes everything worse, including this show. But Mia would be fine. Like, yes, we're all going to think it's a really bizarre situation, but we only know so much because you put so much on blast and you talk about it.

And there is a line where you're like, yeah, you want to be open and like share and that's part of it and that's part of being on a reality TV show. But we don't need to know that much. You spin weird narratives about your own situation and then you get upset that people are coming for you and saying that it's weird and talking about it. Then you get all pissed off and say, you can't talk about the kids. You can't say what you said about Giselle's kids and then come back and say, well, everybody needs to respect my privacy.

You're not respecting your own privacy. You're throwing shit out there that we didn't need to know. We have no right to that information at all. And Mia is willingly giving it to us. And then when people ask questions, she's like, well, no, back off. Like bizarre, bizarre behavior. And for her to say that I'm trying to navigate and do what's best for my kids, it's like, look, we're not here to question anybody's parenting methods.

We try to give everybody credit and stay out of that space. But if you're going to say that you're trying to navigate and do what's best for your kids, but you're also airing a potential paternity scandal on a season of a TV show that, your son Jeremiah will see one day and you're exposing them to a national audience while Inc and Gordon are fighting over who the real father is. The fact that your dad that you've known in Gordon can't be around this dude, Inc. And the fact that your kids are saying, don't marry Mr. Inc. We shouldn't be watching this. You clearly don't have their best interest at heart because you wouldn't be airing this. No parent would put their kids through this for a storyline

if they actually had their best interest at heart. That's the hardest part for me to get on board with anything that Mia is doing, no matter what happens, is like, you're the root cause of this. You don't want people to talk about it. Don't put it out there. You chose this to be your storyline this season. You decided to go all gung ho about it. I don't know if it's because you thought that we would all resonate more with you

or sympathize because of the Gordon shit. I'm sure that is hard. And I'm sure that him waking up as a different person every day is extremely difficult. and it probably ruins your own mental state. That sounds awful. I do empathize with you there. But to use the children takes all of it's like four steps forward, eight steps back because now I watch you put your kids on blast on TV.

And then you want to say that like you have their best interest at heart. How is that in Jeremiah's best interest when he's 15, 16, 17, watching this back when he's going to school now and now he's got kids at school bullying him because they get to watch this shit on TV, too. Like, there's no... I love the idea of children watching Bravo, though. Well, not even that. Like, boys in school, like, I know.

Imagine being, like, 12 or 13 year old guy. Like, you get back from baseball practice. You're like, I got to watch... So you're all about her on Patilma class night. No, I just more mean clip. Like, you know, kids. They're going to Google it. They're going to find clips.

They're going to find little things to show them and make fun of them about. And it's just putting him through trauma that was not necessary. Just to make yourself feel better. Exactly. And then you try to pull. She does. She does. weirdest shit and she always has

she always talks about like having other people's best interest in mind and like being a good mother she's such a scene cares about herself even when it comes to Jacqueline like that's why their friendship is so weird you put her on blast because you do not care about her you act like you do but you don't you only care about yourself and you don't care about what Gordon's going through you're just using that as a storyline

using that to get some sympathy from people ink who the fuck knows what's going on with that guy you're always going to talk about it is woe is me uh woe is me get it whoa is me yeah no that's good I wish you hadn't explained it because it was good. I fucking wish I didn't either. I know just a rough day out.

I can cut it out if you want. Nah, leave it in. I'm probably going to leave it in. Yeah. It was really good. And it went from like an eight out of ten to like a five and a half. Four. Yeah.

No, I'll give you five and I'll keep you above the fives. I'll take that. Yeah. It's a rough day. It's a tough day for me, you know? No, it's okay. We'll get you out of here and you go have a bloodier mimosa and jumpstart the engine. Yeah, I need to need that.

Anyway, let's continue here. Yeah, because we're almost. almost done this one, but I just, I always think that it's interesting when Mia plays that card. I think it's even more interesting that for whatever reason, and it, it seems to only be Mia, for whatever reason, she's able to wiggle her way out of certain things like this scenario, because Giselle backs off after she starts talking about the Gordon stuff, and I get it. Again, that's the craziest part about her decision to go this route this season, is we will sympathize with the Gordon ship.

If you just kept it to that, like what you're dealing with at home, with him having bipolar disorder and waking up with different personalities, lashing out, all of that, what you're going through, boom,

we're on board. We'll even listen to why that pushed you to have an affair. That's the craziest part. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that I would understand or agree with it, but I am saying that if she had taken that approach,

rather than the approach of, oh, everyone's going to accept the affair. fair because they're going to hear what Gordon did to me or how hard it is with Gordon. It's like, no, no, no. If you want to take the approach of this is why this ended up happening, it's still gross and I'm still not going to agree with it. But at least in that regard, I can make, okay, I can put the pieces together why you thought

this was acceptable. Whereas in this scenario that she's going with is, I'm right. I was right to have an affair because this is how my husband or my ex-husband acted towards me. It's like, no, I think that's a weird play. and I think if you stuck with the Gordon shit, we probably would have been able to get on board a little bit more, but I don't need you force-feeding us, Inc,

because nobody likes this dude. I don't know one person that's defending Inc. I'm glad he hasn't been on the show in a while. I don't need him on the show for the children's sake until you guys figure out the paternity. And at this point, like we said, because of it, we need Maury on the reunion with an envelope that says you are or you are not the father.

father. We need it. And that's your fault, Mia. I just don't understand how anybody, and this isn't just for me, but like, anybody thinks rationalizing an affair is going to work. I don't know. It just never plays. Like, and you hear it all the time. You hear it different shows, obviously coming from Mia, somebody who we like, we expect this behavior. And it's like, all right, Mia, enough. But anytime that anybody does it, it's like, no, you probably should have divorced them. No, you probably should have broken up. Yes. Don't rationalize an affair, you weirdo. It doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense. Then to drag your kids. into it's even worse but we get to the morning after and I actually felt bad ever so briefly

for Jacqueline because she has to ask a hotel employee to take her picture yeah like she really has no friends she really has no friends and I did think I thought it was kind of weird that Karen even said it's kind of like an olive branch I'll take a picture of you I know and that was weird that she can move forward yeah I have no idea how she's able to move forward that quickly but did you hear what me has said in return after Karen's like I don't know if it's going to going to be a good picture. I'm just going to take a couple and give it back to you. Mea goes, don't worry. I'm going to doctor it up like I always do for all my pictures.

Mea said that or Jacqueline said that? Oh, Jacqueline said that. And I'm like, yeah, of course you do. You like auto tune and like face tune and try to get everything out. Who doesn't? All right. I don't. Who does? I don't. I don't either. I'm talking. No, no. You're a naturally beautiful boy. I'm talking about. I need about. I know you did. I can see it in your face. You need a little pick me up. I got you, bro. I mean, like, people in the public spot. I'm not talking about you and I. I'm not

going to go and like facetune myself for our Instagram but we should people in that we should do a week of just like ridiculous face tunes where we just post just like chiseled jaw lines yeah and handsome squid word just like that's what we should do for a week and just claim that we're not

doing it and don't tell anybody unless you listen to this episode you will not know what we're doing and people think we lost our minds that could be fun maybe we'll do that this week since it's a down week I don't know But Karen does say it's a potential olive branch. She just needs that this is why Karen's still entertaining. And I hate how she handled everything, hate how she's continuing to handle everything. And we will discuss that at some point as far as the charges against her and her not winning.

But her ability to throw shade is unmatched by a lot of housewives because in this moment, just take off the fashion over and we can move on. I'm like, damn, that's good. She's got good shit. She always has good quips. And that's why it's so hard to actually be mad at her. I know. Like you said, like we will, we'll probably do a news segment later this week and we'll get

into all of that with all the body cam footage and stuff. And obviously it's terrible for her. But even after that dropped and then you watch this episode, it's almost like I forget about it immediately when she starts talking. She's just so good at what she does. So some people have it. Maybe it's Maybe it's not. I don't know.

Maybe it's Karen Huber. I don't know. Maybe it is. But the last scene is Mia and Jacqueline and this I felt bad for here. Like I can get that where she left the kids with a nanny. Gordon picked up the kids from a nanny, drove them to a other nanny that he knows, dropped them off there four hours away, didn't tell anybody about it. So yes, of course.

Panic ensues, understandably so. Where's my fucking kids? Why did you drop them off with this random person? Like at the very least, if he kept the kids. it would make more sense to me but yeah and i saw in like some comments i thought it was really strange because people are like he's with the kids are with their dad like who cares is such like like no if you're not with the country they're not and if you're in a different country and this weird scenario occurs of course you're going to panic i would be out of my mind i'd probably

leave so i get where she's coming i did feel bad for her there i still wish jacklin wasn't a part of the scene that's how much i hate Jacqueline i'm like i know you're trying to help her right now but you just seem like you're doing it for clout like get the fuck out of here go away go away but i did feel bad for mea trying to especially because you know Gordon's a little unhinged so who's picking up the kids who's dropping off kids why did he think this was a good idea like this scene specifically okay mea you have my sympathy i did feel yes yeah no fully fully felt bad for that and i do have a legal question for you they're not like separated or divorced right so i don't think she has any legal discourse. No, if they're not, then there is no legal discourse because there's no custody

agreements yet. It's the father picking up the kids. But bizarre behavior because he came up from Jacqueline's house because they were with Jacqueline's kids. And a nanny there. Four hours away to a nanny that he knew. Like what the fuck is going on? You could argue that points to his mental condition, which is where again, yes, obviously we're going to feel bad about that. The people that were in the comments like oh they're with their dad who cares it's like you fuck off like you know yeah why and if you are not me at supporters but no i mean you can be a human and look at this and just be like yeah yeah if you're in fucking hand them on you can't track your kids down like yeah that that that plus so sympathy there sympathy there but i will say this i mean there's a great episode

there's a whole lot to talk about and it's been a phenomenal season like i'm just thrilled that the ladies are back in good standing. Yeah, you are a happy boy. I am. This was something I needed. I needed this show. It's my favorite. And it was so sad watching it just

plummet. It was. It was even sadder watching you watch it and be sad about it. Because I was so hopeful every week. I'm like, here's where they turn it around. And then we stopped watching last season. And that broke me.

I almost quit the podcast, everybody. I know. Fuck this. You guys don't know that. I drove to Shooter's house crying and he had to talk me off the ledge. He said, dude, we're on a roll. We can't stop now. And I said, well,

fuck you then. And he talked me off the ledge again. And then he got me to do it. Yeah. So you guys can thank you. Let me share a big wet kiss. Yep. On the cheek. That's how it went. That's how it went. That's how we broed out. That's how everybody bro's down. Don't be weird. But let's get to some questions.

We got a couple in here. Looks like the only two. Both have to do with Karen's DUI. from j bay the hut 713 who told karen going to trial was a good idea i don't know karen did she's under the delusion continued delusion that she's not wrong like that's my biggest problem with the current state of things that's what we'll do we'll do a news episode this week that discuss everything going on yeah because we don't have a lot to cover so that's what we'll do and we will break down our thoughts and feelings on the karen d ui stuff especially now that the body

cam footage has come out and the next question is from kerry de fleece and it's the same thing need your care and d u i take now she's been convicted like it's bizarre to me that this was what like in my brain i figured that the body cam footage or her behavior at the crash scene would have been on the up and up to give her some kind of defense like that's where my head was what we heard from her yeah right So I'm like, all right, it can't be that damning because she clearly thinks she has a case and you see it. And then you watch the fucking

confessional footage. It's when she's getting questioned by the police, the interrogation room. Taxi cap confessions. Yeah, taxi cap confessions with Karen Hugar. No, they're questioning her at the police station and she's clearly ham. She's talking about Andy Cohen and she's like Thomas Jefferson's concubine or something like that. It's just she's fucking

wasted. It was full on Lucille Bluth. I called that in the beginning of the season that's just who I thought it was like and she starts talking about it too and I'm like oh my god this is Lucille because there is a scene where they're talking about Lucille coming over and she gets out of the car and she goes maybe I'll get a car and she had already crashed her car that was what Karen was doing and it was crazy to see the parallels there and we'll get deeper into that I know everybody wants to hear our takes on it um I am still deciding if I want to go serious and heavy or just make jokes the whole time it's a you know I'm going to you know I'm going to

take this. I know where you're going to be. Yeah. I'll probably make jokes, just to balance it out. Yeah, I think that's a safe place to live. Yeah. Yeah. But that's all we got. Uh, happiness. I guess this is coming out on New Year's Eve. So happy new year. We'll see. Oh, I get to do this. My least favorite joke on the fucking planet.

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