Bros & Shows - Jared O Has Got to Go. (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

What's up Bros?! We're back with RHOSLC and what a fantastic season thus far. In this episode, Bronwyn gets more in depth about her the father of her daughter. In a bizarre turn of events, Lisa Barlow is close friends with his family and actually mourned the death of him. Bronwyn shares that Gwen would like to meet her fathers family and is supportive of it, although it is less than an ideal situation. Whitney finds out that Lisa might be behind the Ali-baba rumors and that Meredith may have just been the messenger. Angie K. and Lisa are still having issues and Heather decides to get involved. She lets Lisa know that Angie has been saying some not so nice things in regards to her parenting skills. Heather makes it known that she is team LB all the way. Britani ends up forgiving Jared Osmond with iconic heart hands in person, and turns her anger towards the ladies in the group, primarily Lisa, claiming they threw a wedge into her relationship with Jared. Mary goes in on Heather accusing her of being a liar in her support of Lisa Barlow. All in all, this show is hitting. Bravo, no notes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.

Your favorite podcast from the Bros. for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always. by the one and only Sunday morning Goots. What's up, dude? We are finally getting around to getting you guys content early in the week, and that means recording on a Sunday morning before football starts. Well, actually, football's on right now, but it's a London game.

Who had the London game? I didn't even check my mind up this morning. I know. It's Jag Myers and Patriots. I saw, I got a notification. I'm like, oh, shit. Oh, never mind. It's just the Jags of the Patriots.

Who cares? Yeah, nobody cares about that game. Overseas at 9 a.m. I'm good. I don't need to watch that. But we're not here to talk. football. We're here to talk Ross Lake, but it is Sunday.

The birds do play today, and we figured it would be a smarter move to record beforehand. Yeah. Just in case. We learned our lesson from the Philly's travesty of the playoffs after time. That was a nightmare. I don't know what I expected. But hey, today's a new day.

New team. I said this is just to like glimpse into the life of a Philly fan. And so I texted our group chat this morning, our fantasy football group chat, which is predominantly Philly fans. And I just said, like, Siriani get right game, Sequin Revenge game. This is going to be the week that we were. It was a positive speech.

It was positive affirmations to our fantasy football group. And it was immediately met with, why would you curse us like this? Yeah. That is where we are. That's what we do with our sports teams. But, hey, we're hopeful that we're kicking the day off right with a little bit of problems. to get us in the right temperament, if you will. So, yeah, it's going to be a, we're going to have a lovely Sunday today.

We are. Yeah. I'm going to order a cheese steak today. Why not? I am too. I'm picking it up from sunshine, sunshine sandwich shop after this. That's a tough one to say. I'm trying new ones every week.

But as I said, we're, sunshine, we're here to talk Roslick, which this season continues to deliver on all ends. This is an impressive start for the ladies of someone. Altlake, and I have to attribute a lot of that to two very unlikely characters, okay? Because one, Angie Kay, let's not forget her character arc here. She was awful when she started. And she has quickly risen to middle of the title screen, middle snowflake, and rightfully so. She's doing a great job this season.

And the second Caduce goes to newbie Bronwyn, who is phenomenal. I thought you were going to give it to Mary Cosby. She could, it's three. Give me a three podium stance here. Boop, boop, boop.

We've got three unlikely characters delivering this season. Everyone else is doing their job as we need them to. They're all showing up for work, which is great. But those three in particular. Wow. And then, honestly, four,

throw Brittany in there. Because Jesus Christ, she's a wonderful wild card, but it's people that I didn't see coming. The rest, I'm like, all right, you're doing what you always.

do. Mary is been a, she's been great on all ends. She's been wonderful. She's, she's showing her life, everything we need her to do. Brittany is this wacky wild card that is genuinely being herself. Like the crazy is literally her. The aloofness, everything that's coming from her end. And I think the best part of it is she seems like a nice person. She just seems like she's in her own world on her own planet. And then you get Bronwyn delivering. And yeah, it's just, Oh, and Angie Kay. Like, I didn't see it coming, but this is how you do a show. This is how you do a show right.

They fucking nailed it. I still have a theory that they gave Angie Kay the center snowflake just to mess with us because I think it's just funny. I think that she was just as surprised as all of us when we saw that. I do believe that she was just as surprised as we were, but I do believe that she is doing enough to deserve that. I don't think that it's like, why is she in the middle anymore? I'm like, all right, I get it.

I went through the idea of who they could put. in the middle obviously like we'll leave braham one out because she's new i would be okay with anybody having that center snowflake except for whitney if whitney had it i would actually be upset whitney and mary i would be i would be perturbed mary would be funny i would laugh at that if i would be i'd be perturbed yeah meredith i wouldn't be upset about it but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense i'd be like how did you get there lisa would make the most sense heather would make sense just because it seems like she's like kind of the glue of the group that just stays together yeah and she's delightful this year because she's not she's doing

so much of a better job this year than she did last year or the year before rather because she's not getting involved in anything she's just kind of like there until this episode i well yeah she's still just like spreading information she's not herself involved she's not doing anything wrong she's just you know letting people know what's going on spreading some rumors around there that's the way you got to do it and i think hether's really good at doing that but uh but yeah no it just look it's just a good time to be a salt lake van everybody needs to be watching it I don't know what's going on with those ratings, but it doesn't make sense to me. Pump up.

If you're not watching Ross, like, and we'll start doing this on other shows because we always tend to promote the show that we're covering, which makes no sense. Because if you're listening, you're probably watching. We did do it on the other ones. But this is arguably the best housewife season this year. And that's saying a lot because OC has been fantastic. I think OC still has them, but barely. Barely.

I'll tell you what you have them is Roney. No, Roney, Roney's not even close. But that's the funny thing is we now have multiple shows performing very well. Tomic's great. O.C.'s phenomenal. Salt Lake's phenomenal. That's three out of four are hitting. And that's rare.

Let's be honest, that's just the rule of, we're playing statistics now. Yep. You know what I mean? We do this a lot where we have a big docket. We got a lot on the table. And usually it's like 50-50. We're like, these are really good. These two are so, so, whatever.

Right now are predominantly really good. So I'm thrilled. It's a peak house five season, peak eagle season. Things are turning around for us, right? I don't know why you just slid the Eagles in there. Why would you do that to us? Because we're both, we're literally wearing head to toe eagle stuff. It's going to come up.

I'm trying to change the narrative of how we approach games. The best part, because you know me, five minutes into the first quarter, I'm going to text something horrible in the group. This fucking team is terrible. I already have my college team lost last night. night it was embarrassing and I woke up this morning with just zero fucking yeah some guy was doing that at the bar last oh god there was this jackass just a little side story before we get into ross lick there was some jackass at you almost get in the bar fight he was a fucking goof he

looked like sideshow bob he had this weird like circular hat on and he had hair just like sticking out for the sides and he kept looking at me there was like 50 texas fans at this bar there's a bunch of georgia fans upstairs too kept staring me down every time that something happened And then someone walks over and goes, is that guy have like a problem with you? I'm like, I don't fucking know. They talk to him. He's not even a Georgia fan. He's a temple fan, which, you know.

Who's a temple fan? I mean, yeah, temple's coming yesterday. So I guess there was a lot of people out for that. But what are you doing? Why are you picking a fight with me, pal? That's really funny. I love that. I like this guy.

I don't know what his name is. I'm going to say, Bob. Good job. Good job, Bob. Keep that, you know what would be great? This would be ideal for me if this man just has a personal vendetta against you. not your teams just you and everywhere you go you see this side show bob looking motherfucker with his hat on just razzing you like and ordering a coffee and he just knocks it out of your

hand and walks away i'm surprised that doesn't already exist i should probably have multiple people that have personal vendetta's against me i'm sure they're out there yeah they're out there give a time but enough dilly dallying let's jump into this week's ross slick and it starts out with bronwyn and lisa barlow we get to go over bronwyn's past a little bit and broneman's dad sorry, Bronwyn's daughter's father and we get a weird connection here which I think if I had to

guess in Utah just because of the Mormon religion and stuff I imagine this kind of connection happens a lot where it's like wait I know the parents and I know this person and that person but it turns out that Lisa knows the family of Gwen Bronwyn's daughter

she knows the father's entire family like she just had lunch or something with the parents of the family So this scene was really interesting. I felt like I was almost watching like a scripted show, like a drama, where it's like this big reveal of, you know this man in two different ways, right? In this family, two different ways where Bronwyn has this experience of, yeah, I was 19. We went to his parents' house to let them know as pregnant. They were very not supportive of me specifically.

They put all of the burden on Bronwyn, which from what we know now about the Mormon religion between this show, and secret lives and just personal research as well. You know, it's a very misogynistic religion. They tend to point the finger at women as the problem, so I can't imagine what these two parents were saying to or they're probably slut-shaming or making her feel like this is all her fault, even though it takes two to tango, and a homeboy could have used protection or pulled out. So who's really at fault here, right?

But regardless. Soaking gone wrong. Yeah, soaking gone wrong. We've seen it a thousand times at BYU. It's a real problem. they're they oversoaked super soaker 5,000 yeah he got pruny but anyway oh god um

I didn't like that either I that threw me off entirely god damn it Sunday morning Lord's Day hello what was I saying well yeah with with Bromwin and Lisa yeah yeah with Bromwin and Lisa in general it is I felt the same way I felt like it was a scripted show for sure but they've been friends for a long time so this gives you a little bit of insight into not only their friendship because Lisa is surprisingly not asking a bunch of questions about her baby daddy, not really going into any of that. So that's a little surprising to me.

But also, it shows you how little Bronwyn actually talks about it. She doesn't open up about it. She says to her daughter a little bit later, that's the only picture I have of him, which is crazy. Her daughter is 17 years old. And like, she doesn't want to talk about it. She never brings it up. She doesn't even talk about it to Todd. Todd said that he's what?

He only saw the one picture like once or twice, but they don't have a conversation about it. So she's very, very quiet about it, reserved about it, just kind of protective over her daughter, I guess. And it's crazy to me that like the one time that she brings it up, Lisa goes, I know his parents. Yeah, well, I just had lunch with them like last week. So that didn't. No, it was like yesterday. Yeah. It was literally like where they went to Milwaukee.

Yeah. Oh, was it? Yeah, the connection is insane. And Lisa's relationship with them is so wildly different. It's this respected family. She's known them for a long time. parents are wonderful oh my god i was there the day after they found out that her their son had passed away like i was there grieving with the family so it's two wildly different experiences of the same

family which is very interesting just to get that dichotomy of the two experiences and meanwhile the whole root of it all is Gwen Bronman's daughter wants to meet the family yep and that whole dynamic is insane because yeah they've had 18 years to do this you know they they have really not made it a priority. They made that very clear and they'll make it even more clear later. But yeah, this was really interesting. And this is something that Bronwyn brings to the table that why I appreciate it so much is we focus a lot here, obviously on like little shit. Like we overanalyze a lot. But if you look at how she delivers this story and this, this experience, it does not seem forced. It seems very genuine, very organic, and you're really

getting a peek behind the curtain. And that's what she's done really well. A lot of this season is, is yeah, she's a little over the top, especially with the fashion and shit, but she seems authentic. And we respond as an audience too authentic. We definitely do. And she is, look, I mean, we're always going to praise somebody for being open, especially about something as sensitive as this. She was more open in just this episode about her life and showing the fans of the show what she's gone through and everything that's going on. She was more open than we've gotten from anybody on the new Roney, for the last. I know it's a stray, but I'm fine with it. But comparison-wise, she was more open in just this episode than we've gotten from anyone in

that show for a season and a half. Correct. That's saying a lot. That's saying a lot for Brahman. It's also saying a lot of bad things for the Roney cast. But still, it's something that we appreciate. Like you just said, like to echo that, we appreciate when there's authenticity. We appreciate when you're sharing something from your life and you're not being like closed

doors. You're not not talking about it. Now, obviously, we don't know if she would have really gotten into all of that if it wasn't for the connection with Lisa. But still, I mean, yeah. at this point it really doesn't matter we got the whole story now and it's we're very appreciative as a fan base thanks brawin thanks for sharing thanks for sharing but we move on from there and we're with heather and we get this video of brittany returning home to master manipulator

i don't know it's a master manipulator this dude jared osmond is quickly becoming johnny j 2.0 but it's a video of her returning home remember they're besties right they're best friend they're BFFs. BFF dating, according to him. She gets back home to four dozen roses and a card from Jared saying that he would like to meet up. And now a big old unicorn.

A big old, right, sorry. I forgot about the unicorn. But now Brittany, she owes it to him to meet up. Why? Why are you letting this guy flip the script on you? It's so clearly obvious what he's doing.

And the rest of the group had your back. And you were grateful for that. support. Now you get home and you find a bunch like this is the easiest move in the world for a douchebag. I'm going to send you $500 worth of flowers and a fucking unicorn with a half ass card and poor Brittany falls for it immediately and then goes on the offensive against Lisa Barlow. I know. It was a wild turn of events. But honestly, this is textbook toxic relationship. Oh, yeah. We knew it going into this when as soon as she said, we've broken up and gotten back together 16 times in the last six months, you know that it's a textbook toxic

relationship that he is manipulating every little step. He's doing everything under the sun to try to keep her close enough while still far away so he can still text browgirls on the side. Exactly. It is brutal. And we knew it right away. But that's one of those situations where everybody around the situation knows what it is and call it out and supports you and says, like the situation, Sorrentino. Yes, that guy. Tax evasion. Um, but, Everybody around you is saying the same thing. Everybody else is calling out these red flags, and she can't see it because she's so deep in the toxicity that she is actually going to take offense and blame Lisa because she took her phone and started doing what Britney should be doing. So it's crazy to watch, but I love watching it unfold because it is great TV.

Yeah, it's baffling to watch her brain rationalize these moves that this douchebag is making. And what the girls did for you in Milwaukee was the correct response. to Jared's fuck withery, if you will, because he is leading you on, clearly, quite clearly. It doesn't take a genius to read those text messages and understand what this douchebag's trying to do. Your girls had your back. They took the phone and responded accordingly. And they pumped you up and knocked him down and you were all for it until you find yourself in front of a lot of flowers. You're like, ah, you know what?

I owe it to this guy who hasn't given me shit. I owe it to him to go have a sit down and chit chat with him. Like, what's? He gave me a unicorn. He gets me. He understands how I tick. God, he loves me so much. Look at this unicorn.

It's so pretty and fluffy. I don't understand. And it is great TV, but it's sad. It is sad. It's just like, dude. It's separate the two. It's really fun for us to watch because it's so crazy. But you can also feel bad for her.

But we find out a little bit more about the Whitney Ali Baba situation. Whitney is also pissed at Lisa because Lisa threw the necklace in the trash, which is fucked. That was mean. Did she throw it in the trash? I thought she just left it on the desk. I got two different stories. Yeah, see, that's what I'm not sure about. I think she left it on the desk, which is more symbolic than throwing into the trash

because I don't think that the hotel manager would have called Whitney, which is still so funny. Like, why would the hotel manager call Whitney? It's like, hey, I guess I was going to get involved. Or they want to get involved in that drama. They're like, ooh, this could be, this could be. They have cameras in the room and they overheard the conversation. They're like, ooh, we're going to get this. No, hotel management has cameras?

Yeah, dude, most hotels probably do. Oh, great. That's awesome. You ever see those clips of like checking the mirror to make sure it's not a two-way mirror? The two-way, you put your finger on it. Yeah, I know all the tricks. I lived in hotels for a long time. Thanks baseball.

But anyway. Humble brag. Yeah, is it staying in the best. You got motel money? I got those Super 8 motel bucks the red roof in change but we also find out that Lisa is actually the root of the Ali Baba rumors so Lisa told Meredith Meredith told Heather Heather told Whitney that's the chain of command as we know it for now but that is a weird wild card if true it's just

weird to me that like I would have accepted and I still part of me still thinks that the true story is that Meredith saw this on social media either through DMs or saw it like on Instagram or Reddit or don't think it was Lisa. I don't think Lisa is involved. I really don't. And I will get to the scene with her and Justin

driving and they're talking to a fucking podcaster, which by the way, FYI, podcasters stay the fuck out of these shows. If they were to use your clip from an interview and throw it into the show, fine. Do not get involved. It's slimy. It's stupid. It's just for fucking clicks and content. He's claiming bad at it, by the way. Oh, yeah, sick, dude.

Because, yeah, you looked like a little snitch. Fucking, God damn it. I hate that too much. But still, I do think that Meredith found it on social media because look at how upset she was in that sprinter van while they were going to wherever they were going in Milwaukee. She said that you didn't ask me for my opinion. You didn't ask me for my advice on this. So, yeah, why would I? I think that Meredith was upset about it and she's spinning it in whatever way.

I don't think Lisa is involved. I don't think Lisa told Meredith and Meredith is not protecting Lisa. that would just be a weird move to me. So, look, I just think that Whitney has an issue with Lisa because Lisa's mad about Whitney being on a podcast saying that she is the villain, which like, whatever, take anything that Whitney says with a grain of salt, who cares, just move on with your life. That's probably the better approach. But I think that this is just boiling over.

And I think that any opportunity that one of them has to throw the other one under the bus, they're going to do it. I just don't think Lisa is really involved with this. Yeah, I don't know. I think it'll come out. It makes more sense because of the podcast. Maybe this is her way of getting back at her. could, I could see it being Lisa centric, uh, or I could definitely see her and Meredith

sitting down to shooting the shit gossiping a little bit and her saying, oh, did you hear about this? And then Meredith doing some more digging that I got. Yeah, or like Meredith do some digging after Lisa tells her that and then that finds that. I don't know that there's a lot of questions or a lot of potential, I don't know, moves that they could have made. But I wouldn't be baffled if Lisa is behind it. But, oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute.

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Or that cashmere sweater? Or those knee-high boots? That dress, that jacket, those shoes. Is anyone paying full price for anything? Stop wondering. Start winning. Winners, find fabulous for less. This scene was interesting, and it's Mary with Robert Jr., and I don't want to speak on it too much as far as speculating goes. Let's just say it wasn't a fun scene. It was a little dark. Yeah, and her reactions to Robert Jr. And his headspace, if you will, seemed alarming, like she was concerned and talking about like she wants him to contribute to society, but in his current.

situation he's incapable of doing so it was a troubling scene i think anybody watching it like i didn't feel comfortable i was like i don't think we should be seeing this uh there seems to be something going on here yeah and i think everybody watching that scene had the same feeling yeah about what they saw and it's just not yeah we didn't need to see it no i mean that's something that production should have just cut honestly i think it's a poor taste yeah i agree like it's like how apparent it was it's like yeah it's uncomfortable it's clear that she's concerned about it and not talking about it it's just this is not this doesn't need to be a storyline we don't need to talk about this they can figure out their relationship and what's going on with him in a better avenue because i feel like

this is only going to lead to making it worse but i will say though it is kind of funny that he has his name over his door that was hysterical especially because it's so blatant and there's nothing else on the wall it's just robert junior and like do you think that they put that up when he was like four years old, or do you think they put it up when he was like 20? Or do you think they put it up right before the season started just so they know when we're filming this, it's Robert Jr.'s room. If you look at her room, it

has cartoonishly large children's letters and say Mary's room. That's the best part. It's like nursery letters. Robert Jr. and the 20-year-old walks out of the bedroom. But we keep moving and we get to Angie and Mary and just her

comments. This is what she does so well. She gets in the car. It's like, It smells like onions. It's like, I don't have, I don't have onions in here. And that's the kind of thing. Were you eating onions in here? No, I wasn't eating onions in here. That would wreck me.

Like, if someone's saying something like that, I'd be like, fuck, I'm an onion guy. Like, that's my smell. Like, I would be so bent out of shape for an extended period of time by just an innocuous. It smells like onions. And that would live rent free in my head. I'd be smelling everything I own. Like, am I the onion guy? Yeah, you've got a burlap sack in your back seat.

You always You always smell like onions But they're going to a hip-hop dance class I had such higher hopes for that scene When I found out they were going Why? What were you thinking was going to happen? I just thought it was going to be a little more emphatic

A little more comical I thought I was like they're going It's pretty comical to begin with But I Again, this is just one of those situations Where I'm just going to be grateful that Mary is doing this She's done a whole day Yeah, she's on board

she is participating in everything and she's even saying things like I love ziplining it's like what why yeah she's a big zip liner yeah what is going on she's done it in jamaica so have i by the way maybe we did the same zip line mary you could have honestly that's yeah that's a good claim to fame i'm just happy that she's getting involved though she seems like she's in a better place and just having a good time maybe it's you know being away from your stepgrandfather but i don't know who knows let's just appreciate it you mean her husband uh that's what i said yeah that's the same Interchangeable, but you get a side-by-side scene. You get Heather and Lisa, and they're in a salt room.

Himalayan salt. Himalayan salt room. And apparently the salt has negative ion healing. Yeah. So that's what they're doing there. But the splits interesting. Would you look at the walls? Oh, my God.

That's all I was thinking about. Yeah, I would look the walls. Yeah, I would definitely look the walls. All right. Without a doubt. Yeah, how could you not? I know what I mean? Especially if you gave me like full of the grounds and just like,

I don't know because people step on that. I don't want to do that. See, that's yucky. Okay, all right. So there is a wall somewhere in there. Yeah, just because of feet. I don't fuck a feet. Not a foot guy?

No, not a foot guy. Despite all the requests we have in our DMs for feet content. You're not a fuck guy. You're an onion guy. Come on. I'm an onion. Everyone knows I'm an onion guy. Come on.

Onions have layers. yeah i'm i'm shrek good job we go we got it but depending on whose team you're on and not i'm pretty sure the majority of the audience is i don't know actually there's a lot of angie k supporters but

yeah lisa being lisa is going to garner unconditional support which is just how our roles so i'm sure there's people on her side of the street here but it's just interesting because they have two very different experiences with this whole thing angie is fed up with Lisa's bullshit. She's tired of bending the knee any time that Lisa gets in an altercation with anybody.

And we've seen it time and time again. It's up to the other person to make up. Lisa isn't only going to budge so far until it gets to a point where she does the usual and says, this is who I am. I'm not changing. If you don't like it, don't be my friend. So you have to kind of meet her halfway.

Whereas Lisa is saying that Angie is torpedoing their friendship pretty much, that she, I don't know what her deal is these days. I don't know what's going on. on like so I'm firmly in the camp of Angie Kay right but what I didn't expect is Heather jumping in and stirring the pot and here's what happens because it seems like when Heather gets involved in things despite your praise for her earlier when she creates a mess it tends to be extra messy because she gets I don't know if it's heated but she takes a very firm stance out of

left field, that it doesn't really, I don't know where it's coming from. And the way that she translates the information to Lisa is very inflammatory against Angie K. Right. Where she is kind of pumping Lisa up, like, I don't know what her deal is. I don't know why she's doing this to you. She's being so mean to you. She's being so rude in how she's talking to you. And I'm like, but you know Lisa and you know what she is like.

So can you not see where Angie's coming from? But Heather's 100% team Barlow right now. Yeah, she absolutely is. And it's funny that you say that because when. she talks to a third party who's not involved which we see a little bit later she doesn't take that firm stance she says i understand what both of them are going through and i do stand up for both of them it's like but you don't the way that you convey information you are picking a side and then later you're saying that you're not picking sides you're just conveying information so it's really

weird because your mannerism say a completely different story but i've after sitting on it for a little while i think it's more important to look at the the lecture comment that happened last week I don't think it was that bad. I think it's just worth pointing out that it's clearly on Lisa's mind that she knows that Angie just kind of hurries her off the phone and says, I've got to talk to a lecture. It's not like she said anything inflammatory. I think people are overreacting, i.e. Angie is overreacting to it.

She didn't say anything bad. And for her to turn around and actually question her motherhood is brutal. That's a weird reaction. And again, look, if Heather had said this and we didn't know what actually happened and she just threw it out there, it would be one thing. I would agree and say she's getting really messy and just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks and just trying to create a storyline, trying to create a little bit of drama. But we actually have the footage of Angie saying that. So I'm like, eh, a bit of an overreaction.

She didn't say anything bad about your motherhood. She didn't say anything bad about Elektra. She just said, you get off the phone and you make an excuse saying that you have to go talk to your daughter. It's like, okay, she probably does, Lisa, because you talk forever and you don't let anybody talk when you're talking. So I don't blame her for that. But Angie getting really upset about that is a little weird. and then turning around and saying this is a complete overreaction. So I'm actually on Lisa's side for this.

Well, as far as that goes specifically, yeah, I'm on Lisa's side. The video game comments of her being a neglectful mom, yeah, I'm not team. Starting off the episode with her son playing video games is so funny. Yeah, dude, Bravo did it dirty. But I agree with you there. Like, I'm on her team for that. That was an overreaction. Yeah.

I understand why Angie got upset, especially in the moment, just by bringing kids into it regardless. you know you're going to get a reaction even if it's not that mean that's just how it goes so i get it and you're also going to get a reaction when you bring children into it i did think it was fucked that she immediately went for the bad mom thing where it's like you don't even take spend time with your kids they're playing video games all day no she didn't deserve that but again you get to a point and i've seen this friendship between these two and we've seen friendships at lisa in the past i imagine you reach a breaking point where it's like i you say mean her shit because you're so fed up. It's one-sided friendship too. Yeah. And trying to relay that to

Lisa to change the dynamic or become better friends as impossible because she refuses to change. And she literally says that. This is me. It's who I am. If you don't like to get the fuck out of here. So yes, complete overreaction by dragging her as a mom. Because from everything we've seen from Lisa with her interactions with her kids, even the way that her kids respond to her, she cares. she's a good mom she tries her best it's very evident that she puts a lot of stock into her children so no we're not going to knock her as a mom that was fucked up yeah i'm just wondering how much of that is i've reached my breaking point with this woman i don't give a fuck anymore i'm going for the jugular because i'm just i've had it that's that's what i'm getting from angie k at this point yes it was an overreaction and an overstep but is it warranted because of i can't do this shit with you anymore i'm done like it's a snap yeah it's going to be important to see how Angie actually lets us know where she is. And if she can do it in like an articulate way and she can say, I've been feeling this way, I've been strained in this friendship for a long time because I do feel like it's one-sided

and everything's all about Lisa and nobody ever cares about what Angie thinks. If she's able to give us that information in a constructive way, then I agree. Then that's obviously something that's going to happen. If she doesn't do that and she just keeps going down this path of like, well, you insulted my daughter first. It's like she didn't, and then you completely overreacted, then I'm still going to be on Lisa's side. But I do agree. If she's able to tell us that it is a one-sided friendship and that's what the storyline is going to end up being, I don't have a hard time seeing, Matt, because we have thanked Lisa for what she is. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. But it's just interesting because

Heather blames Angie 100%. Lisa blames Angie 100%. And she blames Lisa. So it's going to continue to shake out. They're still at odds now. Like Angie was doing an interview and called. Lisa Twat and then Lisa responded. Every day something new comes up or like they're just like in Twitter battles, but they're not actually every once in a while, Angie will like quote tweet something that Meredith put out there or Lisa put out there and say something back. But neither Meredith nor Lisa is actually like tagging Angie. They're just sub-tweeting her.

Yeah, Lisa responded with you, so trashy. It's literally every Wednesday, unless one of them goes on a podcast, it's literally every Wednesday right before the show they get into a heated altercation on Twitter. It's so funny. It's great. It's great for the show. I love it. But we get Whitney driving with Justin, and this is where she gets a phone call from her casual friend slash podcaster, Adam.

And yes, we know who this person is. No, we don't like this move at all. This gives podcasters a bad name. This makes us look bad. You're making everybody look bad because what you're doing is being a little errand boy for housewives no that's not our job we're not fucking snitches and that that was such a snitch move that he's like deemming other accounts on whitney's behalf to try to get to the bottom of something we don't do that okay for everybody out that's not a common move from content creators and

i hate i hate that we got dragged into it because one content creator wants to go and be a little snitch on tv so he can get his tv time and then then he claims bad at it you did this what did you think they were going to do chop it up to make you look good they don't give a fuck about us like you just made all podcasters in our space look like little dirty snitches i hated that yeah i i couldn't stand it either and also like what the fuck is that approach of i can't reveal my source but if you ask me questions i will first off you started off by saying it's somebody in your group it's somebody on the show yeah so there's five arrows it down the fucking five you idiot then saying i can't tell you specifically who it was but you can ask me

questions okay there are very pointed questions that can be asked and you can confirm very easily just fucking have the balls it just say it three questions yeah just have the balls to just start off with yeah this was lisa barlow then just do it if that's what you're going to do if you're going to allow whitney to get it for herself and then what then you're claiming bad at it or he wasn't saying you have to no no the account that he messaged made him play the guessing game sure they said yeah maybe but even then it took three questions and the funniest part to me was the reaction from Whitney I don't know if it didn't land I don't know if it took her a second to process but he was like I asked if they had a liquor brand and they said yes and Whitney was like

well the only person that has a liquor brand is Lisa I know yeah yes you know so what does that and then it kind of hit. I was like, were you doing that for dramatic effect? Or did you say that sentence and then it hit you? Oh, Lisa Barlow. How many takes do you think that one took? Because I've been noticing more and more. A lot of times what I've been keying in on is right before you go to commercial when something

happens and there's a conversation between two people, when they come back, they reiterate that conversation, but it's a little different. And you can tell that they just have the same conversation. So they do multiple takes for a lot of things, a lot more than I actually thought. it was how many takes do you think this one took that we had to like i would imagine at least three only because of the intro and then that reaction because the intro of oh it's my friend and it's my casual friend and podcaster adam yeah i i would imagine that line was was tried multiple times and they landed on that one which we're going to figure out how to explain who this is uh it's

my casual friend adam uh no uh well he's a podcaster that gives him some credibility uh god there we do we have credibility not really you and i know you and i know No. None. Not at all, but we also, yeah, that's my point. Like, this looks so bad for content creators in this space. Like, no, we're not snitches. We're not, I would never do this. I would never fucking do this. If we, if the writings on the walls in like, you know, like 10 years, 15 years when we're finally done doing this podcast, you know, it's going to last that long. Maybe we'll just burn it all down. Let's just, at the, towards the end, let's just burn it all down. We'll start calling all of our contacts whenever they're, filming and we'll just drop little things here and there. We'll just fucking stir the pot everywhere, just make things up. Why not?

Ruin all the relationships we've created. I actually don't, I don't hate this idea. Check back in a decade, everybody. But let's keep going. We get to Brittany and Jared for a scene that I've been looking forward to so much. I cannot describe the excitement. I was so curious what this idiot looked like because,

no, I'm not wasting my time Googling Jared Osman because you know he's got Google alert set up on his phone. Oh, yeah. So as soon as his name gets searched, it gets ping, and he just wants to see who's thinking about Jared O. Nobody. Nobody. The DMs.

Yeah, exactly. Nobody was thinking about you before, sir. And now a lot of people are, and not in a good light. And again, it's so weird to me that he decided to do this. I don't understand why. I don't know what he has to gain from this at all. Because they sit down, and he immediately starts the gaslighter. like instantaneous gaslighting of proportions I don't think I've seen.

I've never seen this much. He fucking starts out of the gays like, I missed you. I didn't see this coming. You went to bed and you, you FaceTime me and then the next day I'm getting these weird text messages and then nothing and blah, blah, blah. Just not how that happened.

Like, no. We watched Lisa tell her what to say and text her at the casino. And then you were FaceTiming at the fucking Bucks game a little bit later. And then the next day was when they were. text like it's just it's all out of sorts like he doesn't even have his back straight and he's immediately like you said gaslighting her as soon as she walks into the room it's like what the fuck dude you just set 50 fucking roses and a unicorn you you know that you messed up you're trying to pull her back in this is like a case a type manipulator immediately just getting after her

and making it her fault why did you send all those roses if you don't feel like it's kind of your fault but you're still going to turn it back on her and brittney falls for it and it was tough to watch look we can look at it in a different light it was kind of enjoyable because you like watching like watching losers like this but yeah i again felt bad for brittney i did too but i wish so badly that we had video of lisa barlow facetimed him and sang him a bestie song which god we needed that yeah oh my god like lisa calling him and sarcastically singing him a song about being best friends is amazing and that's you would think that brittany would garner you would think that brittany would get a feeling of support from

this group like these ladies rode hard for milwaukee against this douchebag yep but no she has the exact opposite reaction because this guy's such a good manipulator and the words that he's using intentionally and this is textbook narcissistic manipulation going on right here he's like people that love each other don't do this to one another This tells you, all right, and this is a good, this is a good lesson for everybody out there. Okay, we like to point out fuckboy behavior and how to decipher through it. This is a very, very big one. This is quintessential fuck boy right here.

Anytime that they say something along the lines of private conversations are meant to be private conversations. And I have a real problem with that. What he's saying is the way that I talk to you is for a reason because I want something from you. I don't want other people to see the things I say to you because they're going to going to assume that I'm more into than I actually am. I need you at an arm's length available to me when I'm lonely, horny, and bored. So I talk to you a specific way. If that gets out there in the public airwaves and people see how I talk to you, they're going to know that I'm a fuck boy and I won't be able to bang whoever I want to bang because they're going to think that we're

dating. That's why he uses words like best friend, BFF. That's why when he posts you to his story, Brittany. It says BFF said Costco. It's so all of the other side chicks out there don't say, hey, are you in a relationship? Or if they do, he can say, no, we're just best friends. And then when he talks to you face to face, he's going to say things like people that love each other. And I really cared about you. I was blindsided by this whole thing because it keeps you in that little space where you're just far enough away that you're not in a relationship. And he can use that against you and say, I told you were just friends, but at the same time, you're close enough that if he wants to reel you in for a night of fun, he can do that as well. This is textbook, fuck boy behavior, and Brittany falls for it every single time.

And he says certain things like, you know, I hold your hand in public and, you know, I really care about you. And then she lists off the reasons that he's not that involved that upset her, such as he's still on the dating apps. he drops her hand when a pretty girl walks by and he doesn't post you on socials that's all you need to know if you're you're getting your hand dropped because some some attractive woman walks by and he drops your hand why do you think he's doing that brittney it's because this guy is a total fuck boy loser and he thinks he's also the type of guy because they all are this is the type of guy that thinks he has a chance with every single chick out there just because he thinks he looks a certain way and his last name is osmond and he lives on osmond lane but all

you're giving sir is johnny j 2.0 you look like a loser you look like a thirsty wannabe celebrity de list osmond you're not even a fancy osmond you're like the bottom of the barrel osmond you have the last house on osman lane that could be like the watchman's house you're there you're part of the help buddy no one gives a shit about you and And nobody would have talked about you except you wanted to get involved with this show because you're jealous of all of your family members, probably having a bigger spotlight than you. And you're like, here's my chance. I'm going to manipulate Brittany and get my face out there. And people are going to know what a great guy I am because I'm a wonderful guy.

I'm a generous guy. Does this sound familiar? Because all I'm seeing is John Jansen from Utah. And Jared O looks like shit. And I ask again, sir, what the fuck are you doing? Why did you think this was a good idea? especially in Bravo. We're going to fucking skewer you,

pal, and you deserve it. Leave Britney alone. Bring that back. Leave Britney alone, Jared, because I'm fucking baffled that anybody would willingly

put themselves in this position look like this much of a fucking loser on TV and also think he's so cool while doing it. He might be worse than John Jansen. I don't know yet.

We gave him a chance if he had enough time. I think he could be because I obviously, I did the same comparison at my head. Look, I think you just hit the nail on the head.

I mean, we love a good 50, 55 year old fuck boy. We love when they pop up on our screens because it is so funny to watch 50-year-old men still behaving the way that they did 30 years ago, 40 years ago, whatever. And yeah, I mean, look, it's entertaining. I don't know what the fuck's going on in Britney's head. I can't figure. When she started listing all of the things that he does, I'm like, wait, do you have these ready to go in your head?

You know specifically what he does. You agree with all the other women supporting you, including Lisa, who is supporting you and telling you all of those things that you already knew that you're telling us now, but you're still going to give them the time of day. You're still going to say, don't ruin this relationship for me. Is it just because he's an Osmond? Or are you just so hell bent on staying in this relationship because it's so toxic and because you're so messed up in the head from it that you don't know which way is up. I can't figure it out. I think it's two parts. You think it's two parts?

Okay, go ahead. I think the Osmond plays a big part, obviously. The Osmond name is contributing to a lot of it. I also think, you know, she's got a weird relationship with her ex and her kids and just relationships in general. I think that she's lonely. I think that this feels good because he does love bomber behind closed doors. And, you know, it's nice to be wanted. And so in the moment that she wants to be wanted, she is.

And then he neglects her, but she's desperately trying to get that high back where it's like, Jared, pay attention to me because she doesn't want to be alone. I think that between not wanting to be alone and the Osmond of it all, she spun this narrative in her own head of, I know him better than you guys. And that's the other thing. Anytime you have to say that line, like, you just don't know. I'm like, I do. That's a problem.

Yeah. You know, people should be able to get to know. All the first things that are going on that you're not telling us. You know him better. He's probably doing worse things. Yes. He probably comes back and showers before he hangs out. out with you because he has to get the stench of another woman off of him.

Like, that's this kind of guy. And he's like, oh, I'm an Osmond. You didn't do anything, sir. You were just born. Like, fuck off. You can tell right away, though, and something that seems like a little innocuous, but it was kind of funny to me. As soon as she walks in and the waiter walks over, we'll just do a charcutory table for

the whole table. Like, Britney doesn't actually say a word. She doesn't have, they have no discussion about what they're going to do. He just orders. He orders for her. You're going to eat what I would eat. Yeah, the lady will have. Don't do that.

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And this scene for me really pushed her ahead in the numbies and the rankings because of, again, authenticity. And we watch her and Gwen, her daughter, discuss the dynamic of their family. And Gwen is impressive as hell as well. Like she's so mature, so articulate, so emotionally intelligent. They're having this conversation about. her dad and their family and she was all stoked to get to meet him and they seemed initially that they were excited too but then it starts to shift a little bit and this is kind of similar to

I guess the story that we heard about them when Bronwyn went to their house let them know that they were pregnant it's almost like if it's on their terms it's okay like if she's ready to accept us then we're ready to meet her what that says to me is we're not going to apologize for anything But if she's ready to accept us for who we are, then, yeah, we're ready to meet her. And that's got to be confusing as shit for a 19-year-old who's trying to figure this whole thing out. 17, excuse me. Then she wants to get to know her father's family. She wants to get to know her father through them posthumously and understand what he was like.

See pictures of him. Get to know this other side of her life that she has been completely walled off from for 17 years. On the flip side, you have Bronwyn who's trying to come to terms to the fact that, that she was not enough and not in a negative way. She gave everything she could and seemingly is a wonderful mom. She gives a shit the way that Gwen responds and talks to her tells you that they have a good relationship. Yeah.

You can see it on TV. It's very real. It's authentic. We love that. Then you can tell that they give a fuck about each other. So that's nice to see. You don't always get that. But her realization of no matter what I do, there's always that missing piece.

And being okay with that, I thought it was impressive to be like, no, I want you to explore this as much as you want. here's my reservations about it because as Gwen so eloquently put, they've had almost 18 years to do this. So why now? Because I'm pushing in there. Do they actually want to meet me? And then when it got close?

Is it because of Gwen or is it because Lisa Barlow said, hey, I know, I know Bramwen and she's a great girl and, you know, Gwen is great. Did Lisa Barlow push this? Which is even fucking worse because what?

Do you think it's a safe face so that they're not like, oh, now Lisa is going to talk shit? It's partially, in my mind, it's partially to save face it's partially oh shit there's a tv show that we're going to be put into here and we're going to get put on blast let's try to make this like just based off of the interaction and i trust bramwin 100% is telling the truth of how that all went down when she was 19 years old so yeah they're not good people they realize that they could look like shit lisa talked to them and now they're reaching out that's why if it was because you know i've been doing a lot of thinking

about my son for a while and I completely just like we weren't we weren't comfortable with how the last thing ended like if there was any of that conversation going on when they were talking to Brahman about this saying hey we're really uncomfortable with how that all went down we feel really bad there's a lot of regret in our lives we wanted to reach out a million different times but didn't know how to there was none of that conversation it was if she's in a good enough place we'd love to be able to meet her and put it on her like putting it on a 17 year old who you had no desire to meet, no desire to be in their life for the entirety of her life, it's fucked. Like the entire thing is fucked.

And I like that Gwen is sitting there because she does want to meet and she's open about that. And we love a good vulnerability scene. We like that both of them are able to discuss all of this. And it shows how good their relationship is. It shows how good of a mom Brahman is. Sitting there and talking about this is fucking difficult. Sitting in there talking about it on camera is insanely difficult. And she is articulating it super well.

I mean, you can tell just like the distraction on her mind thinking, I do want to meet my father's family. I do want to understand what kind of person he was. I want to understand what makes up half of me because half of me is missing without him. And I don't know any of that. And I will take any opportunity to do that, but still in the back of your mind saying, why now? Why are these people reaching out now? And being able to think about that and say, you know what? Something isn't right here.

This isn't a desire to meet me. This seems like something else. so I'm not ready right now. And maybe she will get ready. Maybe it'll take a couple more years. And if they continue to reach out, maybe they send her something for her birthday. Maybe they reach out here and there.

Then you can get a little more comfortable with it. But if this is it and they just leave the ball on her court and never reach out again, then fuck them. Yeah, dude. The onus is on them. It shouldn't be on a 17-year-old kid. And that's fucked. And the fact that they can still harbor any kind of negative feelings towards

Bronwyn is fucking wacky to me. You know, to see, yeah. And I think something that stuck with me so much about all of these interactions is Bronwyn saying how difficult it is, this is the best thing that ever happened to me. This is a wonderful, amazing thing. And I was made to think it was so negative for so long because of the response from their family, from the community. I can't imagine what being a pregnant 19-year-old in the Mormon community out of wedlock is, yeah, it's got to be an absolute shit show. And again, is a testament to what she was able to do as a 19-year-old. mom up until this point like she is it's fucking cool it's really cool to see and the fact that she

still has a negative taste in her mouth because of the community around it is is crazy and that to me says the fact that she's open to allowing Gwen to go meet this family at all shows how strong she is as a mom and how confident she is I guess to be able to be like yeah go meet him but you're 100% correct this is 1,000% on the dad's family to make the effort, to make her feel comfortable. And instead, you can see what they're doing already if she's ready. If she's ready to accept us. Well, you know what? It's not our fault if she's not ready. We'll let her sit there and think about it. Like, why? What is that? Like, do you want to fucking need her or no? Yeah. It doesn't seem like you do. No. And that's,

that's what's so funny. And you can, you can dive deeper into it. You know, the, the church people that I like to call out who are complete assholes, then lean on the church. That's what I get here. It's like, oh yeah Lisa's experience oh it's this lovely family I know them from the church and on the flip side it's like no they're a bunch of assholes that blacklisted the mother of their grandchild and 17 years later they're going to be on TV and now this family's going oh fuck we're not going to look very good let's do some damage control here but even during our damage control we're going to keep it open ended and put it on a 17 year old to make the effort great job guys keep killing it unbelievable but let's go zip lining and yeah

the last thing I expected was Mary Cosby would be like, I love ziplines. I use zipline everywhere. Did nobody tell Heather that she had mud all over her face? What the fuck? I was bothering me on the lip during the last scene. I'm like, wipe your face off.

She's sitting there eating food and she still has mud on her face. How do you not feel that? By the way, the mud was from the beginning of the, that's pre-zipline. That's them driving around in the Polaris Ranger Johns. And wipe your face off, man. You're eating dirt. I was so confused.

Then I was like, did she get like smacked in the mouth by the zip line? Is this another black eye situation? Now she's got a fat lip. What's no, it was just mud. Mud. Why clean it? It's not even because I'm grossed out. It's just it was very distracting.

Yeah. But they're having a picnic and Mary doesn't. I didn't think her definition of tail me wasn't, it wasn't wrong. No. It wasn't right. It's not right. And she's never talcated before. Is that where we have the ribs and, like, we bring our barbecue?

Like, yeah, sometimes. Yeah, actually, that, yes, kind of. I don't think you fully grasp it, but I would love to tailgate her church. Oh, wait, we might have to do that. Yeah. I want to go so bad. I want to go. I want to go.

But as they're sitting there, Heather gets, so the rest of the group is still under the impression that girl power, we really stuck at this. Jared out in Milwaukee. We got your back, Brittany. And to further that, I know you love unicorns, as Jared pointed out earlier with his giant unicorn. So I, Heather, want to give you a gift to say how proud I am of you. You're on your own and it's scary, but it's okay. And you're a unicorn. Here's a unicorn jewelry tray. Which Mary thought was an ashtray. And immediately you could see her mind judging. Yeah. Ew. Gross. I knew I didn't like you. but that's the thing like if mary snuck virginia slims on this side would be the least surprising news ever if she's like i'm taking out the trash and just rips the sig i'd be like yeah that makes

a whole lot of sense to me but immediately they ask about like how did the breakup meeting go we know you wanted to sit face to face one on one we didn't even talk about the fact that she throws up the heart hands at jared whilst having this conversation but i'm like you're so fucked. This guy's going to walk all over you. I put that up for our questions, which you put up a different picture for questions at the same time. I mean, we tend to do that. Our communication skills are lacking. But that is wild. This dude is just not a nice person to you at all. And you throw up the heart hands at them. Like that just told me, I was like, you're going to be in this forever. You're never getting out of this. This guy's got you on a string. But Britney immediately goes in on

Lisa and says you caused this rift in my friendship and Lisa is baffled. Friendship. Exactly. You threw a rift in our friendship and I'm so mad at you and Lisa's so taken back. She's like, wait

a minute. And this isn't like a Lisa moment where it's like, yeah Lisa you know you're wrong. This is 100% that everybody watching is confused as well. She's like wait, we like Kiki about this. Like you were laughing. You were excited. We were high five and and shit. This was a fun night for us. This was like a breakthrough moment for our

friendship. That's where you really bond. You know, dragging an ex. Like, let's roast this guy together and then we'll hug it out and drink some champs and we're besties now. Yep. We've seen it a thousand times. Not this time because Brittany is so perplexed by this man. And she starts to defend him and it's just painful. She's like he just wants to be private. And I just want to be in a good place with him and you ruined it and Lisa is so I think everybody in that moment finally sees it for what it is and she's like just stay out of it and all three of them are like great done no I love Mary has remained consistent on this entire issue since day one please let us stay out of it stop talking about it I don't want to be involved Brittany takes one little shot at Mary and

Mary's like I don't fucking care I just do not care about this at all I've never cared about this This is bizarre to all of us. If Mary Cosby's sitting there saying it's weird, it's got to be fucking crazy. It's really out there. So, yeah, I've said it since day one, too. This is insane. Why are you telling these women about this? Now you're getting mad at Lisa.

You brought it up. You started all of this and did the, you need to feel sorry for me because I'm going through this. And I don't know how to feel. Lisa took charge of your friendship and ruined it for you to make you feel like you're in a better place. And now you're defending this loser against Lisa. who you can be friends with. And now that's on.

So great move. And I love that we just move on. You know what? We don't know what the hell's going on here. Let's just move on and let's act like nothing happened. Okay. Cool. Brittany says that.

Let's just move on. It's like, well, you did this. You brought it up. You fucked up the tailgate. The vibes are way off now. Nobody likes a bad vibe tailgate. So well done, Brittany. That's what's going up in New York right now.

Oh, boy. Met life. Bad vibes tailgate. Oh, boy. That place is good. garbage. Yeah. Garbage place in a swamp.

Boo, Giants fans. Bruce, gross. Boo, Jet fans, too. Oh, yeah. You know, just New York fans,

gross. But they do move on. And they're talking about hip-hop dance class because Heather's like, oh, you saw my daughter. And she, Heather's like, oh, you saw Georgia.

And Mary's like, yeah, I did. And everyone else was like, how did that happen? Like, and she's like, through the wind.

The wind brought it to me. The wind brought it to me. And I sent the wind back. Yeah. You can tell she's trying to not say I was with Angie. Yeah. Just in the most merry way possible. Like the wind blew.

I thought she didn't feel comfortable telling all of them that they were, that she like went to a hip hop dance class because Lisa started asking questions. And she's like, uh, yeah, through the wind. I just said it was through the wind. Yeah, it's through the wind, idiots. You're right. Right. It was because she didn't want to bring up Angie because she knows what's going on.

Correct. I don't think she's embarrassed. That was my thing. I was expecting a lot more from the hip. pop dance and neither of them were like overly embarrassing and i wanted them to be and they were embarrassing yeah it was whatever but yeah she's trying to avoid saying that she's with angie but it eventually comes out and lisa points out that she hasn't talked to angie and i like mary in this moment because she is more objective than than we have seen and i do believe mary to be

more objective because i think that mary's on team mary always i think that even if she's friends with somebody we can see that shift nearly instantly so when she's objective about a situation, I actually believe it. And she's just questioning both Heather and Lisa. And she's like, well, Heather, why are you coming to Lisa's defense so staunchly? Like, what happened where you're jumping so headfirst into this? And she's like, well, I've seen the way that Angie talks to her, blah, blah, blah. I'm not for it. And Mary, of all people, calls her out on being a liar sometimes. Yep. Now, this is where she started to lose me a little bit because The Trail of Lies.

The Trail of Lies and what she starts to say about the Trail of Lies. The Black Eye makes sense. She got me with the Black Eyes. That works. And then after that, it just fell off a cliff. It plummeted instantly. And she goes, then the body positivity thing. And I was like, uh-oh.

Oh, yeah. This could be really bad. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was. No, it really wasn't. Because she's saying you spoke out and said that body positivity is a myth, Heather, like where you said people just want to see people skinny, which. is a whole different conversation like how sad that is that regardless of how well you feel about yourself especially on social media people hide behind these stupid accounts because they're pansies

and they say mean things about your body and I'm sure Heather has heard it on both ends as she says where okay I looked a certain way I took Ozempick and got skinny now people are questioning that like how do you want me do you want me this way or that way no matter what I do you guys criticize and that's got to be a miserable place to be what I thought Mary was saying is that by getting skinny you are anti-body positive. That is what I thought you was saying to. And then thankfully, Bravo came in with the edits of, you know, what was actually said, the articles that came out.

And I'm like, yeah, but still, it doesn't make any sense. But I did think that she was going down that path. And I'm like, Mary, don't do it. This is a very weird move. Everybody already knows what you do. Don't do it. You're going to do it again. Don't even bring it up.

I'm pleasantly surprised that it's, it ended up with just something that made zero sense. Yeah. That's not what Heather was saying at all. The black eye, you had me. Then you went into the body positivity thing. And I'm like, that's not a lie. She's going through something that you don't understand at all. And by the way, the first episode when Heather walked in, you noticed her for the first time because she was skittier.

So you're already in a weird. You're furthering her point, honestly. But, you know, with Mary, you just kind of fucking ignore those things because I like that she's standing up for her friend, Angie. And she's not even like, she didn't even go that hard on Lisa because she understands that Lisa and Angie just have an issue. She's like, let's try to further understand this. Like, where the hell are you coming from? And then she just lets it lie. Goes on to Heather, which we pointed out earlier.

She's getting messy. She's stirring things up in a way that only Heather can. And I like that Mary is defending her friend because it's essentially like, Heather, what are you doing? Why are you involved in this? This has nothing to do with you. And now what? You're taking a defense against Angie because of the way that she's talking to Lisa. Like, it just seems two-faced.

Like you've known Angie since you were in high school. Why are you not defending her? Why are you not understanding where she's coming from? Are you asking any more questions as to what her issue is with Lisa? It's not just about the electric comment. There's clearly other things going on with their friendship. And now you're just using the same terms that Lisa does, talking about redefining the terms of their friendship. Like, what the fuck does that even mean?

Stop saying that. Lisa said it a bunch of times. I still didn't know what it meant. Now you're saying it. You're just on team Lisa for whatever reason because you're just getting up her ass. And it's just weird. And I like that Mary at least called her out because Heather doesn't really have an answer for that. it's like we said earlier she's talking about how she's friends with both of them and if something

was going on she would make sure that she defends angie too it's like but you're not we've watched you do that before what i hear when i i hear redefining our friendship yeah is it has been a certain way for so long and angie's been okay with it and it's been lisa's way now that angie is challenging that friendship she is redefining that friendship or attempting to because she should because it is a one-sided friendship because we've seen Lisa's friendship. Yes, both ways. So, yeah, she is redefining it.

But when Heather points that out, I'm like, Heather, you of all people should be able to see what that means in redefining the friendship. She's setting boundaries. And she's saying, I'm not for a conditional friendship. It needs to be unconditional both ways

or it's not going to work for me. And she's right to do that. And for Heather to take the stance of, oh, you're trying to change the rules now. This is on Angie because she should know what it's like to be friends with Lisa. That's a bad take. And Heather does find herself when she tries to get in the mix.

She tends to find herself on the wrong side of history. She's at her best when she stays neutral and comedic relief. When she tries to stir the pot, a lot of times she ends up on the wrong team. I'm curious where it's going to go this season because she learned her lesson or not. I don't know because I do think that we're going to see just based on where they're at right now. this friendship's going to continue to deteriorate more and more to get to the point that we're at now where they're taking shots at each other on Twitter

before every episode. So we'll see who's right, who lands on the right side of history with this one. But, I mean, everybody just... Good job. Golf clap. Hey, by the way, Jen Shaw's going to get out of prison a little early, so do you think she's going to come back for season eight?

I'm really curious what they're going to do with that. What is she's in 2020, 27 now, I think? Bro, I don't... I mean... from a moral standpoint you can't do it yeah from a do we all kind of want to see it yeah i mean you're lying you're no she doesn't deserve to be on tv if they ban her for life great because she defrauded elderly people she's deplorable disgusting we don't like her in any capacity yeah but you're all lying to yourselves if you're not curious what that would look like that's all

i'm going to say on that oh yeah now uh because we don't communicate very well we have two different slides of questions should you look at yours and i'll look at mine uh yeah why not let's do that oh yours got way more all right let's see um we'll go back and forth this is funny from megan purdom why did no one tell heather about the dirt good god no girls girls i don't know i would have pointed out immediately not even to like for support just to be like that's really bothering me can you please wipe your lip the funny thing is we talked about this before. If Mary had muddle on her face and somebody pointed it out, you'd be her best friend. Oh yeah. That would be, you'd immediately. That would have been best friend

material. From Keep It Clashy, we might be past it, but I think I can explain the Mary Cosby tampon thing. That's it. We had a lot of people reach out about that and say it's a pressure situation, like there is some validity to it. But I think the point was it seemed as though she didn't understand how everything functioned. Yeah. That's what I got from it. But hey, we don't know. Yeah, way. Who knows? Oh, wow. From M. Lowe, 1969. Is Heather going to bring anything

this season? Is she living off last season's finale? I think Heather's done fine. I think that when she gets clumsy is when she tries to get in the mix. So it's going to be interesting to see how she responds to getting called out by Mary, how she responds to getting involved she's now in the middle of it so one way or another she's got the answer for it and like i said historically she's not great when put on the spot so we could see a tailspin a little bit which i'm here for but i think she's done fine i don't have any issues with her yeah we've we've always been in the the realm of um heather when she tries to do too much and she's trying too much

for storylines that's when it's not fun to watch hether this is usually where her sweet spot is and i mean this past episode is showing her moving in the wrong direction so she needs to needs to get back to middle ground but we'll see how it goes i think she's doing fine though that's when she's at her best um from christie jed lickie what are your thoughts about podcasters like jeff lewis and adam being part of storylines jeff lewis is different different different different different different jeff lewis has his own show they're using it that happens all the time he's on bravo he's on watch what happens live he's he's in the mix it's different yeah that's way different than a podcaster calling one of the housewives on film and going through all of that and then spreading

information like just here's here's the thing also everybody if we are ever featured on a show like if you've seen a clip from us or anything like that we have to sign multiple releases it's not like they can't just put shit out there so that means that this whole process was they sent him a release they sent him forms to sign he okayed it all like this was a process it wasn't just oh i'm calling whitney on a whim and they happen to be filming like they plan this whole thing and again not a great look for for podcasters in general this is not what we're in the game for we don't need to do shit like that let's not be snitches and errand boys for the housewives they have enough enough to do on their own that's it's ridiculous that that's happening now i was

i was genuinely pissed off i was like god damn it this looks like shit for just podcasters in general not a great look but whatever but the jeff lewis thing is that's wildly different It's not even the same stratosphere. But anyway, we got a bird's game to get ready for. This could be, this is a pivotal point. Let's be honest. Make a break? It is.

Must win? It's not a must win. It's a must dominate. Like, we must kick the shit out of them. Because our head coach was yelling at our fans last week. The only way to come back from that is just an ass whipping up in New York. Sorry, not even. Fucking New Jersey.

Yeah, let's be real. New York doesn't have any football. teams. New Jersey is. Well, they have Buffalo. That's so funny. That's the only New York team is Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah. Up north. Not, no, fucking the Jersey, the Jersey Giants. Fucking dirt bags.

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