Bros & Shows - Jax, Janet and Jason Just Suck (The Valley Reunion Pt. 2)

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

What's up Bros? This was another captivating reunion episode. The first half is Jax centric and watching him "apologize" and then contradict himself in the same breath. We get further into the Jesse/ Michelle saga and the more we get, the more we are reminded that they're both in the wrong (still leaning Team Michelle). Jason and Janet continue to do Jason and Janet things, intervening in things that have nothing to do with them, contradicting themselves etc... Jasmine addresses the Danny situation and it gets a little confusing about both the timeline and where they currently stand. Jason and Janet get involved again and make some scathing allegations against Danny. Again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. Well, Janet and Jason still suck. So that's going on. I guess they'll be filmed this like mid-season because of the pregnancy, so maybe that's why. But I thought with a little time, maybe they wouldn't suck so hard. Timeline-wise, they're still assholes. And, you know, who's to say? I I think they're always going to be awesome. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter Val Gooder.

What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. This is actually, you know, in spite of all of the content that's being. presented to us by the valley it's still a pretty captivating reunion i'll give it that it's still got a lot you know we weren't really sure what we were going to get with them filming in the middle of us watching the season but there's a lot to talk about i mean we can bounce around from topic to topic in the reunion and he's got a lot of content to just go around and ask everybody what they feel and you're going to get a lot of stuff from them so it's working out really well at least for entertaining

TV. Yeah. And, you know, I was hesitant about the Jack stuff, like getting into that whole song and dance. But I thought it was, like you said, captivating. I thought we got a lot of answers. I don't necessarily believe half the shit that he said. But it was nice to get through that without like a blowup, I guess. So other people got to say their peace. Brittany got to say how she felt. Other people were able to chime in. Some people defend him. Yeah. You know, in stupid spots but yep i'm glad that it went because that could have went totally a different direction like unwatchably yelling him trying to speak over people and trying to prove that he's not a piece of shit so all in all this was a solid episode and we still have another

reunion episode to go so we're going for a show that last year had no reunion this year were two for two on reunions with the possibility of going three for three which is hard that is really hard to do. I'm going to point something out real quick, too, that I don't even know if you caught. At the end of the first episode, after we went through all of the things the Jacks had done to Brittany, even, you know, though we didn't really touch on him throwing her into the Rosebush, we had a little possibility. We had a little thing pop up at the end talking about substance abuse. If you know somebody who's dealing with this, please have them call this number, not domestic violence, which is, what the fuck are we doing? At the end of

this episode, the screen read, if you know somebody who's been caused or somebody who's been involved in domestic violence, please call this outline. So they did see, I guess, a couple people online talking about it. Or maybe they just realized that they completely missed their mark and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll just throw this in here. Maybe that'll give us some good faith. We discussed it a little bit, but we could have gone on for 30 minutes on the lack of attention that got Brittany getting thrown into the rose bush. And there's video evidence of it. And it was so quickly glossed over that and we talked about that last week like disappointing in andy disappointing in the network the producers it begs the question how long have they known do they have this video

have they seen it and if that's the case how the fuck do you bring this guy back for the safety of the cast the safety of brittany the safety of crews like production has a lot to answer for in regards to the rosebush accident because they're not talking about it yeah that's a really good point I don't know. I mean, they completely missed the mark, obviously. And I would say,

based on what we're hearing, the little quips going back and forth from Jacks talking about it to Brittany talking about it, I think what we're watching is in real time. They're coming to grips with the idea of, oh, shit, we might have to move forward without Jacks.

And I know Jacks was just on Baskin's podcast, which I didn't know he ran that Bravo Hot Mike podcast. That's his podcast. Yeah, it's his podcast, apparently. So that's fucking hilarious. Yeah,

I didn't know that either. So if you're listening, to that one, stop listening to it. Because there is one thing that we do know about Bravo and that is if you're listening to things, even if you hate it, they're going to think that you love it and they're going to keep dulling it out and that's what's going to happen. And the one thing, the one thing that I really want to talk about just before we get started on this reunion episode is the news that we heard about the Valley and Sheena

Shea, potentially taking a larger role next year. Shee and. I don't, I'm not saying his name. I don't give a shit about Brock. Who the fuck cares? Sheeta Shea She is going to return. We all saw this. The writing was on the walls.

She released that stupid fucking book that is such a pick-be book. Everybody fell for it. We said, oh, yeah, we're not going to read that. Why would we read that? What are we going to get? She's just going to lie about a bunch of shit. She's just going to try to change the narrative on a lot of stories that we already heard. She brought out the fact that Brock cheated on her.

It was an application to get on the valley. And she got it. Why? Because Bravo's stupid. And I'm not going to call out just Bravo. I'm going to call out all the content creators, all the people out there that are posting about it. Some of them are funny. The first line of her book reads, I, if you know me, you know that I've never been a follower.

Fuck off. Like that's insane that that's her first sentence of her book. Like that sets the tone for such a stupid-ass book for anybody who's watched Sheena over the years. And now she got it because Bravo producers, their production team is so dumb. And we've watched it over and over and over again. with Beverly Hills, with OC, they will keep on rolling out the same cast, even though everybody online is screening, please replace these people, they suck, they're boring, whatever.

Now they see all these people talking about Sheena and her book. So it worked for her, and they're going to just throw her onto the valley. Everybody who watches and enjoys the valley, you know, obviously away from all of the dark shit, we don't want Sheena. We don't want Lala. We don't, I may talk myself into getting Sandoval back because that would actually be kind of funny in some ways. He's in talks. But definitely not Sheena.

For sure, not Sheena and Brock. they bring nothing to the table. They're boring. They're stupid and they lie the whole time, which fits right in with this cast. But we've got enough of that going on already. So they read the room. They looked at all the tweets and all the things online and all they saw were numbers,

same as they always do. Look at all these people talking about Sheena. It would be great to bring her back, wouldn't it, guys? No, read the tweets. Nobody wants her back. So now we have to endure next year with even more Sheena and Brock. It's just stupid. Well, it's stupid and it also leads you to think because there's an,

I don't know, it's hard to corroborate casting rumors. Like, we get them all the time. There's a lot of things for this one. This one is substantiated, so. The Sandoval one? No, not Sandoval. That's what I was saying. No, Sandoval has allegedly been in talks with, with the network on coming back on the

valley, which, yeah, like you said, you could definitely talk yourself into like giving Sandoval a chance on this show. But what my whole point is, the more. we're doing this, the more of these BPR parasites that are slowly creeping back into the valley, I don't want Vanderpump 2.0. I don't want that. And we're starting to shift in that direction. I don't like it. I don't like it. It's just it's a panic move because Jacks is gone and they're so upset because they don't have that central figure. How are we going to do this? Let's bring in Vanderpump people. Let's start talking. The dominoes will start to fall.

if they did a standalone move, you know, we already saw a little bit of Schwartz here and there. I still get the feeling he would be on the show if he was asked, but I don't really think that he's like pining for it. I think he's okay with what he's doing, where he just kind of floats around and does whatever and floats around the summer house. And if I were Schwartz, I'd be okay with that too, honestly. And you know what? If you got a show for me in the future, I'll join that show.

But I'm not going to just jump in on these shows because it's just, it's the same shit. Sandoval, if they did that as a standalone move, I would kind of understand. it because even though it's Tom Sandoval and all the shit that came out, he makes for very good TV. And if you want to replace a Jack's person with someone who's not nearly as problematic

as Jack Staler, Sandoval's a pretty good choice. He's going to be a nightmare. He's going to be a shit show. He might crash and burn and it might ruin the show. But if you're panicking, that's the move. Adding Sheena and Brock does absolutely nothing except aggravate us. 100%.

100%. But let's dive in. a little bit and the majority of the first half of this episode is jacks and i thought i was going to grow tired of it like i said the way it went i didn't hate this segment at all but the the biggest thing because he claims you know 156 days sober he has been passing the drug test from brittany which is important he has a sobriety coach he has a life coach he's he's allegedly going to a a little bit he's like i don't want to i something there so i'm not sure i didn't want to do that You know, it's like, okay, you probably didn't do it. Right.

Like, yeah, it leaves the door open to like, are you actually going to meetings? And the big thing I take away from all of this, again, I said last week, hopefully he does get sober. I don't, I don't wish this on anybody. It's like, I want him to get better, mainly for Brittany and Cruz's sake, because they have to deal with him for the rest of their lives. Oh, that's his son's name? I couldn't tell his son's name. Yeah, he's not allowed to say his son's name apparently on TV. That was interesting.

that was interesting because once that called it out it continued the rest of the episode and it probably has been happening the whole season it's just such a thing where like we've kind of i don't want to say we've completely turned our brains off when jack starts talking but we we were getting very distant from all of the scenes that he was involved in based on you know the first couple episodes which rightfully so and if you're like us there there's no fault in that at all but he probably has been doing that the whole season even going back to last year i i can imagine that he probably doesn't really say cruise he says my son. So Zach's spot on with that one. Yeah. And he's trying to chime in. Also, he has every right to chime in. One, it's the show. He's a cast member. That's what we do at reunions. Other people chime in. Two, he's best friends or was best friends with Brittany. I'm not entirely sure where they actually stand up. I think they're back. I don't know. That seems like some weird exchange. Yeah. He sort of like gave her, he didn't really give her an ultimatum, but he got as close to an ultimatum as possible and he seems really proud of himself that they're back in a good place and they've been traveling together and all of these things where he's like yeah i force

that to happen and i'm happy about that like zach is such an interesting character but i do think in times like this where he's trying to chime in and jacks is able to just kind of shoe him because he's in the last seat that's where bravo does themselves at the service why is zach all the way at the end i know what you can say yeah you know they did the reunion a little early but zach got really involved. And you guys also know what happened during the season. Zach got very involved by the end. He should clearly be ahead of Jasmine.

I know that, you know, Janet and Jason or whatever are more central figures. You want to split the room up. But Zach being that far away from the action, maybe it empowered him to do these things under his breath here and there. But I think it would have been such better TV if he was right next to Jacks. If he's sitting right next to Jacks or sitting right next to Brittany with Doty on the other side next to Jacks, I don't think Doty would really complain about it. She's seemingly able to kind of middle the situation.

If you put Zach somewhere up in the front, all of these little things that he's saying hit so hard. And all he's doing is saying it under his breath to Jasmine. We get to hear it. But it doesn't play for the whole audience. It doesn't play for the whole cast where then they can kind of erupt because I'm still waiting for that moment where everybody's just like, what the fuck.

Yeah. And this could have been one of those moments because he brings up the fact that every time something good is going on in Brittany's life, jacks tries to ruin it so he tries to anytime she's happy and we've seen that happen multiple times we watch it on tv zach calls attention to it jacks doesn't care for that so he's like shut up it's like shut up peanut gallery like zip it whatever and zach does repeat himself a little bit louder but like his response and that's what i'm paying attention to because like you said we tuned him out for the whole season i'm listening to him during this to try to see are you making

progress. Are you even redeemable at this point? And he takes five steps forward and 10 steps back because he thinks he's saying the right thing, but then the moment comes to act. And he does the wrong thing. Because in this moment, Brittany asks him, like, why do you do that? Like, why do you try to ruin it? Or somebody asked that. He said, I'm confused about the divorce. What does that have to do with you ruining Britney's life when she's happy? Because I'm confused. I don't know if I want to get divorced or not I text her like I'm confused which is also fucking with her head not allowing her to move on so he knows what he's doing he's not that I mean he's really fucking dumb but he's not that dumb he knows he can rile her up and it just gets him going and look if there's any indication that you

need out there there's plenty of people that are now putting up pictures and screenshots of him communicating with them during cameo where obviously yeah the content is kind of funny somebody's just making shit up and saying yeah my dad just died would you have any any recommendations for me. We talked about that last week. It's kind of funny because he goes down this crazy rabbit hole where you can tell that his mind's not really well, but he still gets off on being that person that everybody's like, whoa, I got to hear what Jacks has to say.

He's funny. There are text conversations, and you and I know this from doing cameos. When people reach out, they can send you a message and say, hey, thanks for the cameo. He goes back and forth and he's just belittling people again. So, no, he hasn't changed at all. But it's also like what we talked about yesterday when we were doing a It's the Tamra situation where you can say and do all of the right things, but you've been such a piece of shit for so long that it will take us years to finally

get to a point where we're like, well, I guess maybe he actually changed. And even then, there's still going to be 50% of the people out there saying, nah, no, this is still a move. He's still planning something. So even during this scene and the scene where they're discussing Cruz's autism diagnosis, he's saying the right things and he's trying to defer to Brittany or in the previous scenes from last week when he's talking about her being a victim you just don't believe it when it comes out of his mouth it doesn't matter what he says or does and i don't it that's where he's

not smart enough to understand that so he doesn't really get it that he just has to take it and just kind of go with it he's still going to answer for himself of course but he's still there i mean we can all see through it 100 and what we don't need especially in this moment where he's not making any sense he's just trying to say things to get out of it is jason a chime well he's been using for 20 years so it's going to take some time to stabilize. Yeah. Is you an expert on the topic? I don't know.

Jason's a doctor, I think. Does he work in recovery? Like, what are we doing? No, but Janet's ex-boyfriend had addiction issues. A drug problem. That's right. They sit around and talk about that and he's learned a lot. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. I just, we don't need to chime in. Like, this is not a moment where we're watching people gang up on the poor guy trying to do better. We're watching a guy flounder and try to come up with a response. that's not true to try to wiggle out of this whole thing, then you've got Jason over here defending it. We've watched Jason and Janet defend this all fucking season, but they don't have that same grace for anybody else in the room.

And the one guy that you're going to die on the hill for is Jacks. Yeah. I weirdly thought, and this was Jason's fault, not my fault. I'm not taking blame for this. I weirdly thought that they were going to change their tune a little bit. I did too. Because of the way that he answered it. when Andy asked him, you've been an advocate for Jacks's mental health for all the things

that he's been going through saying that he's changed. What do you think? And he starts off and says, yeah, you know, when we watched it back, it was definitely a little different. And I'm like, oh, are they going to turn a little bit on Jacks? No. He doubles and triples down and refers to that one scene that we all said was bullshit where, you know, either they're being manipulated or they're just like feeding into it for whatever

reason or whatever self-serving purpose they have. I don't really know what it is. they go back to that FaceTime and then he says I've been seeing him do the work I've been seeing him change like where we've said this about like any crazy person on Bravo

when they all of a sudden they're different or they have a life changing event and again I'm going back to Tamara where people are just blatantly telling us we see the changes and we're watching all of this and we watch all of their things online I don't see any changes

where are the changes and they never have examples there are never any examples and even when you get a follow up question about like, hey, what time are you referring to? Give us an instance in which Jacks showed that he's growing or he's a better person. They never have one. They just kind of talk around that. It's like, okay, why are we still doing this? I just don't understand. One, for a couple that seems to understand and feel like they have the pulse of society or the pulse of the audience going on and what makes a good show, why would you align yourself with Jacks? You know for a fact because this reunion was

filmed four or five weeks into the season that everybody fucking despises him why are you still defending him you're not going to do yourself any good not that you guys ever do yourselves any good but wouldn't you try to help change your image a little bit maybe go against them give them some shit have somebody in the audience say wow that's a good point jason way to not just be a fall guy that would be great but no they just double in triple ten it's like what are we doing here i don't i don't need you chiming in if this is what you're going to do you can get protein at home or a Protein latte at Tim's, no powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte,

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he lies right there that's no accountability jason and janet if they watched the season which you know they did saw that and should have been like oh shit he lied to us there the other part he then lies about having a heart attack because he was listening to them on the cameras he was listening to them on the microphone whatever all of these things point to no change you are witnessing that and yet still you're going to sit there and try to justify everything going on with that bullshit at FaceTime. We called it when we saw it. Everybody that saw was like, this is ridiculous because again, he lies in that conversation. We find that out like 10 minutes later that it was a lie. So no, Jason, no, Janet, this is not a good point. That is not evidence that

he's doing better. You haven't seen him do the work because if you did, trust me, Alex Baskin would have shoved it in our face nonstop of him actually doing the work. So it's just really frustrating and I don't get it like I don't understand they tried they tried to throw it why there was nothing there but they know like the only positive I guess that comes out of this is like Brittany gets to feel vindicated now like she no longer has to protect the guys you know like she goes as far to say even amidst all of the shit last season when he's yelling at me in Big Bear he's screaming at me out of the door it's embarrassing his shit but I still didn't let on that he had a problem. I was still keeping it to myself as he's calling me a raging alcoholic.

So this, that's the only thing that we really get that's a positive out of this is the fact that Brittany is officially done protecting Jacks. Now, as far as Jack's getting better, I don't know if it's even possible. What did they say? You can, you can treat depression, you can treat anxiety, but you can't treat narcissism. What does Jack say to that? Well, I, I was confused by that one too, because I feel like, you might be able to like sit down and talk to a person and try to figure out how to break through and get away from the narcissism i think they were saying you can't medicate that's that's what i got from it oh no i got that if you are a narcissist oh actually and you are a narc for

life a nurse for life yeah nars for life that's fucking great but i mean i guess in a way jacks did medicate for norcicism he tried to medicate for bipolar disorder and no i was talking about okay come on oh right ac ac ac ac my bad well his response is actual response to you can't treat narcissism jack says that i don't think i was ever brittany's type so now he's putting it back on her again because he got dms from people in kentucky that are saying that she only wanted to be famous that whole song and dance so he then spins it so in this one segment of him trying to tell us that he's better we have seen him contradict himself on every single point that he's made for getting better and jason

and Janet still sit there like got you bud we got your back jacks it's going to be okay hold him accountable if you're a friend you help danny accountable for nothing hold him accountable yeah i also love the idea because andy starts it off by saying brittany would be married to a lovely low-key doctor back in kentucky no she was always going to go to l a let's be very honest about that it's how quickly everybody forgets how she started out in vpr uh Yeah, she was always going to go to L.A. She might be married to a different person from the VPR gauntlet. Who knows who?

I don't know. I'm not going to point any fingers because I really don't know. But no, there was no chance she was just going to stay home and just marry a local doctor. That was never happening. No, no. Like, I defend Brittany for the situation that she said. I don't like when people say she should have known better this, that the other. Like, I think that goes too far considering what she's been through.

Yeah. But like you said, let's not ignore facts and, like, how she came on to the show and what her end goals were. Like, she didn't, she didn't want to just follow them up with Jacks. She wanted to be on TV. Like, there's a two-parter there. And we can't gloss over that. That wouldn't be fair. We have to call all of it out.

So I agree with you. Look, we called Brittany out for being a bad friend all year. We're allowed to compartmentalize. We're allowed to put things in boxes. And we can still feel bad for what she went through with Jacks. But she was also a really bad friend. And this episode, I felt like she did a little bit better as a good normal neutral friend. She was a little bit leaning in one way or another.

But I think she was a little bit more neutral where she was sharing information. I'll give her some props when we get to that. Okay. Yeah, I do see what you're saying. But Andy tries to give Jack's credit. And I'm glad Brittany stands up for herself because he's like, I've seen more accountability today than ever before. Brittany's like, well, it seems performative.

I hope it's good. I hope it's real. But it seems like he's faking this for the cameras, which is what we all think, especially considering the things that he said and then contradicted himself immediately afterwards. So, like, I'm not sitting there going, he's taking accountability. To me, it looks like he's still trying to spin some narrative that he's not the problem. But then to get people on his side, he's saying grandiose things like, I know I'm the problem. I know that I ruin my life.

It's like, yes, stick with that. But when you get your feelings hurt, don't then jump on the other side and say that Brittany he was never attracted to you. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, he's got those defense mechanisms very deep. There's no way to get those out. There's no treatment for that one. Nope, sure isn't.

And that's when we get to the cruise update. And I guess he's verbal now or getting there. Brittany goes through the process that she's had to go through by herself, mind you, to try to get him diagnosed if he's on the spectrum or not. I guess like as soon as they wrapped filming, they had to do a bunch of tests. I think they said they meet the child five times. They go to school with them.

They go to doctor's appointments. And then after all of that, they diagnosed that he was autistic. And she noticed stimming, like he had certain things about him that would kind of tip them off. But she went through all of that alone. And she went through all of that while jumping from Airbnb to Airbnb while Jacks was hanging out with only fans models in the house. Yeah.

It's not fair, obviously. but I'll give you this question. Would you rather do that with Jax or without, without, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Obviously, yeah, in a perfect world, you've got a partner that's going to support you and go through all of that with you and be helpful and supportive. But Jax has never any of those things. So he would have made the situation a lot worse. I can see him saying things like, no son of mine is autistic or something like that because he's a piece of shit.

So I think it would have done way more damage than good if he would. were around, but yeah, obviously it's worth saying that she had to go through it alone because that still is very sad and obviously very empowering for her and kind of on the tail end of this, she goes into what it's like to just be supportive and show, you know, the autistic community, like, hey, this is what's going on. And I caught it a little early and I'm still really hopeful that we can get through this because so many people just kind of push it off or they ignore it or whatever it might be. So that's great for just being visible in that spotlight, being visible in that world and

showing all of these things and you know we always give props to that obviously it's a shitty situation but her going through it alone is incredibly empowering and if nothing else it does prove to her that she doesn't need jacks you got through all of that with your son cruise whose name is cruz jac his name is cruise his name is robert paulson jesus i don't know about that one uh but yeah she got through all of that without jacks and again jacks would have been detrimental to that process so coming out on the other side i think it's a win-win it's probably tough to see that when you're down in there sure down on the trenches going through all of it but coming out the other side it's probably a lot better the jacks wasn't there that's a valid point i didn't think of it that way

but it's just sad just a sad predicament and we talked about it all season long we saw way too much crews saw way too much we saw crews watching way too much like it was just extremely poorly handled on a lot of fronts. So hopefully we don't see much of Cruz anymore. And hopefully he is doing better. And that's all I'm going to say on that one. Before we move on to. Hold on. Were you surprised that Andy's messy ass didn't interject a little bit there when they were going through the timeline because they talked about early in Cruz's life. He was saying mom, he was saying dad. He was doing all of these things. And then it started. Are you surprised Andy's messy ass didn't try to point to Jackson be like maybe if this stuff wasn't going on,

this wouldn't have done this because I mean I know all of us were like it can't help obviously and obviously there's a lot more people on the internet that will definitively say it but I'm a little surprised that Andy didn't lead down that path a little bit I was I was very surprised that he didn't do that I mean I see what you're saying but at the same time Andy's a dad I think even for him he's you know he wouldn't want to go down that road even as messy as he gets like it's just and maybe if he hadn't seen like we all got to see the damage that this is doing to the kid so like that adds another layer to it I can see him stirring up some shit between parents in regards to the kids about something but when it comes to one of the parents potentially impacting whether or not a child is on the spectrum I do think there's a hard line there I'm glad he probably there usually there is a hard line but I'm just never sure when it comes to Andy in reunions which that's a good point weirdly in a way makes me excited for the love island reunion with andy oh shit i forgot when is that next week that'll be great uh end of august end of august oh boy to dive back into

that one more so how many parts is that no idea maybe i don't think they've announced that part yeah i hope it's at least two maybe i don't know about that i think last year was one was it good i don't remember not really because they don't like this is the problem They're reality stars for about six weeks. They don't really know how to conduct themselves on reunions. And we see that show at the time with new people on these types of shows. So I don't remember it being that good. But, uh, you know, let's hold out some hope.

You know, you got me all excited over here with that breakdown. Jesus. Let's get to Jesse. Because we get a lot more info. I mean, we've kind of gotten this info throughout the season. I'm not really sure what to make. this is a reminder that Michelle's partly in the wrong too because I'm not this is like a completely different story from this is a completely different story from episode one though episode one jesse

couldn't come off as more of a douchebag yes this episode it's like oh yeah there are bad things on the other side and you're going to admit to them openly but act like they're not that big of a deal it's weird that was the move that was what she was doing it was like well yeah we kissed but like it's like well no you just said you kissed like that's a big deal yeah i mean it wasn't emotional cheating everybody and their mother sitting at home could look at that and be like that's fucking weird unseen footage so i can't wait well that's the other thing it was unseen and i guess they were saving it for this moment which i thought they were doing i thought they were going to do the same thing with the uh with the danny and jasmine conversation that we were bitched about for like

10 weeks where like clearly there's more to this scene not only did we not know where it happened that happened at the white party the first episode but we also didn't see the whole scene and they gave us like a little tiny snippet again which was about five seconds long of like you got to be kidding me with this goddamn scene it's just going to go on forever but this one was crazy I mean this is night and day from episode one and it's crazy to think that they just got through all of that shit like an hour ago in real time now we're getting back into it talking about the cheating rumors talking about all of these things and Michelle couldn't have come off worse

she was down playing her cheating twice emotionally cheating with Aaron and also some guy that her and her friend were like yeah let's go on a date with these guys and I kissed them. It's like okay and you told Jesse that he cheated on him wait wait she I thought the guy she kissed was Aaron

oh no okay different guy yeah this was the way that she tells the story and Jesse tells the story which is a little difficult so I don't blame me for it they being Michelle and her friend were talking to two guys at the bar and ended up going on a couple of dates with him which she then of course downplayed again

but she did go on a couple of dates felt like me explaining dating to you when Michelle was like I wasn't dating him I went on a few dates with him I'm like okay there you go Michelle yeah now I'm on the wrong side of history but that was a completely different guy and she told Jesse

before they started filming about all of this so he did know that she cheated on him she clearly did that she told him and then as soon as it starts up she's like oh of course you're going to say it on camera it's like why wouldn't he are you kidding me yeah i mean that's kind of the way that this whole thing goes you gave him ammunition before the season started yeah and i mean watching the whole breakdown again i i'm more team michel than i am team jesse in the overall grand scheme of things but this is a staunch they're both wrong right like this is a staunch reminder

like she fucked up too and like as you're watching this entire thing break down She brings up the fact that because Jesse's like, the one thing I can't put up with is cheating. She's like, yeah, well, you slept with a married woman as soon as we were done. And he's like, what are you talking about? And we get so much, there's so much so much so much information between the two. But we don't, it's not corroborated necessarily, but. They don't agree on anything they do.

I know. You know, it's like they keep throwing things out there. You're like, oh. And it's like, well, kind of. It's like, well, yeah. I don't know. She hasn't been married in 25 years. Are you sure about that?

because she is now. No, she's not. Are you sure? Because she is now okay. Like, is she married? I don't fucking know.

Can anybody else just chime in? You guys all know the same people. How do we not have anybody else? I know. How do we not have anybody else digging into this? And yeah, just to go deeper into the Aaron thing because it was unseen footage,

he was sitting down with her while they were going on all those walks that we heard about and we knew about. And we all suspected she was cheating on Jesse when they were going on these walks, talking about all the girls that Aaron was talking to, getting advice, which a little weird, only weird because they then dated afterwards and then

sort of moved in together, or they did actually fully move it together. No, they were in and then they broke. That's sad kind of. Yeah, that is kind of sad now. But I, like, in a weird way, I feel like we didn't give Aaron a fair shake. I don't know. Well, he didn't help himself. He really didn't.

He started hot episode one telling Jesse had to be a father. So that was, that was his downfall right away. But in it, in itself, not. that weird. If you're friends sitting down, she's asking what's going on with your life. He's what, like 42, single, probably dating a bunch of girls. That's what he's got going on in his life, aside from honey. You can only talk about honey so many times. So it's only make so many honey buttons until. Yeah, exactly. So let's let's talk more about your dating life. So that's not weird. It's just weird that it turned into them dating. And again, the comment that Aaron made about

the divorce where he said the only time that Michelle ever brought you up was when she said she was going to file for a separation. Other than that, there was nothing. Jesse reads into that a lot further than is probably there. But again, because they dated, it's weird. Again, if they did not date and there were just some speculation, some rumors that maybe they hooked up, okay, you know, it might be a little bit of a reach. But once they start dating, it's like, all right, that is bizarre that you just told me about them, or about separating from your husband. And then we started dating quickly afterwards, but we were having these discussions. Like immediately, all of those discussions are instantly wrong well it's because it changes the point of them right like on one hand

yeah it's absolutely bizarre regardless but on the other hand it's like you chalked it up perfectly because if you look at it through the lens of oh so that was you were using that to get to this destination not just like a friendly conversation you were using that he must have been flirting with her while talking about the other girls he was like yeah she kind of looks like you but you know you're prettier like Those types of comments were probably made, but you're way hotter. It's like way hotter. Nobody can hike that trail as well as you can. Nobody sucks down that honey as well as you do.

Those are the types of things that were probably said. But again, it's from a different scope once you start dating. If they don't start dating, then it's innocent. And it's just two friends just discussing their social lives. So it's like, it's very bizarre. And I think that she didn't really understand that. Jesse also didn't really understand that, but he is right in a way because it is wrong. And Michelle just doesn't see it as that

She's like it wasn't emotional cheating It's like you guys ended up dating So it kind of is emotional cheating If you just ended up hooking up once Not really emotional cheating As long as you were separated When you hooked up But wait

There's more Always Because I don't even know Once again we get the Did we get confirmation Or did we not get confirmation That Michelle Caught Aaron cheating with another woman

We did not Deny it But she doesn't acknowledge it It's like this weird middle ground of like that you said that now let's keep moving it's like wait no yeah no did she like i don't know i think she did i believe that she did the way that Zach makes it seem is that that did happen i think it happened i mean obviously i think it happened but it could have also been a weird gray area where they went out on a couple of dates and they were feeling each other out

and then he was with another girl and she was freaked out i don't know but the the other thing is she's currently dating Aaron during all of this. So she has the easiest job protecting her relationship. The easiest possible job. Like you could have asked 15 follow-up questions to all of that. And it probably would have ruffled some feathers in your relationship. Instead, all you had to do was just not deny it, but also not tell the truth. And we were just going to move on, I guess.

And everything's going to be fine. So it's the whole thing's bizarre. I don't really get it. And for Michelle specifically, I think this is not really her fault, I guess. if she was more interesting and more fun and likable, I do think that most people would be on her side. Jesse's just funny and charming and goofy and good for the show. And when it's just a stalemate where you don't really,

when you're looking at their characters, you don't really like either of them. You're going to go with the funny one. You're going to go with the one who's better on camera. Michelle just doesn't really bring anything. But if you just look at the facts and you just say like, when you're comparing careers in sports, you do player A, player B.

If we looked at that alone with just the. facts. Everybody's going to agree with Michelle. By far, everybody's going to be like, yeah, Michelle's clearly in the right. He was neglecting her for years. And she got a divorce and then hooked up with somebody else that they kind of knew he's saying it's a friend. It's not a friend. Who knows? I don't know. I'm going to give this one to Michelle. But because Michelle isn't that likable of a character on this show, everyone's like, eh, nah, I'm going to side with Jesse. I don't really. There's nothing really more to see here. And that's why we don't really delve into these topics when they bring them up. But wait, there's more.

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Order now. Alcohol and select markets, product availability may vary by Regency App for details. But we saved the best or the worst for last, because now it's time to talk about Janet. We've been waiting to talk about Janet, but, uh, man, it starts out with Zach's demonic behavior. That comment that she made, and we've heard this from multiple sources, not just from the show itself, but outside of the show that the Valley Janet, who we get on screen is not the same person that we get off the screen. And Doty even says that. She's like, as soon as we started filming, I was like, who the fuck is this person? And I believe that. And Jason, of course, asked for

examples. Jesse, who's close with Janet, at least he says he's close with Janet. I like that he said that. That was kind of funny. I thought it was great because he jumps in and he's like, well, she brings these things. His example of being close is just that we can joke around together. Like, I guess that's all it takes to be close in Jesse's world. Makes a lot more sense with Luke and Doty. But yeah, I guess, you know, speaking from a neutral party over here, because I love both of them. Like, what are we talking about here? I don't know, but the example that he gives is a good example because we all watch it throughout the season. Jason has trying to say, all I saw was 80% of the time that couch is trying to drag Janet.

It's like, that's not what we saw. We saw her do what Jesse says. And he goes, she brings things back up or jumps into conversations that don't involve her. She seemingly wants to get involved in everything. And Jesse doubles down and says, yeah, you know, I watched it back and I saw all of that. So I guess my question is, what show did Jason watch? Like, how did you not see the stuff we were seeing?

I don't, this one at least makes more sense than Jason defending Jacks because I still can't wrap my head around that one. This just looked and felt like blind loyalty to my wife, but he took it too far where you can be loyal to your wife and explain some things. But the problem is your wife has been running her mouth the entire season about everybody else's business. It's now her turn to answer. Not your turn. You have nothing to do with this. We've seen you involved way more than you ever should have been involved. usually because your wife is in the middle of some shit that she created.

So just back off and let Janet answer. And I hope that's what episode three is mostly about is her actually answering and not Jason just creating shit where shit doesn't actually exist. But I don't see it happening. This is immediately just, okay, what does Janet have to say? I don't care what you have to say, Jason. You're defending your wife. I get it. Have one sentence in there where you ask for examples, then move on and let her answer for her shit.

because she does like inserting herself living with her must be a nightmare she probably comes home you know how they so always say don't bring work home with you janet tries to bring work home with her she brings home everybody everybody else's drama whatever the hell else is going on the rumor gossip mill whatever you want to call it here you go we're going to talk about this today jason it's probably exhausting so just back off dude get out of here it would it would probably do both of them a lot of favors if he just stepped back and like settled down like if he wasn't jumping in like you said to a certain extent i get it you're defending your wife you're trying to support her through this whole thing like i understand that part of it but you're

doing too much dude you're going you're going too far into these things and you're refusing to see any negatives if you'd said like yeah you know she did get involved with things that like didn't involve us that's not even dragging her that's just say like point to an example and be like yeah maybe with this or maybe with that she shouldn't have jumped in when they're eating at l kio and she yells across the table at Doty. I could see how that would be an overstep. But no, it's just all of it was everyone else's fault, which has been their M.O. the entire season.

So it would be surprising for them to change at the reunion. But when we get to the Zach stuff and we get confirmation of what he actually said, and he did say that he wanted her to miscarry and he's taking accountability for it. It is a horrible thing to say. there was no other way to look at it. There was a terrible, horrible, no good, very, very bad thing that he said. But he wants to be able to move on from it and feels as though he has apologized enough. He's been apologizing relentlessly.

On Janet's side, she feels that the apologies weren't genuine on Jack's side. Don't worry, he chimes in. Zach's drunk all the time. It's like, okay, dude, pipe down. But when you look at this situation, and I'm not trying to be insensitive, at some point, I don't think that she wants to move on with Zach because she doesn't like Zach. I don't think there's much Zach could have done to come back from that. At the same time, if that is an unforgivable thing from Janet, fine.

If you don't want to talk to him ever again because of what he said, like, that's your prerogative. But we're stuck in this like back and forth of I want him to apologize. Well, he did apologize. Well, the apology didn't mean anything. Okay. So what has to happen for you guys to be able to move forward? because she claims that she wants to move forward. Yeah, that's where it doesn't make any sense.

And that's where Janet being Janet just kind of shoots herself in the foot. Because she says things like, I just wanted to apologize. And he did apologize and you're still not moving forward with him. This isn't another situation that, you know, Jasmine's going through with Danny, where she's like, you know what, that apology wasn't good enough. I need another apology. It's like more okay. I don't really want to be your friend.

I didn't really like you to begin with. It seems like you already disinvited them from the baby moon last year by a The whole thing was out of whack. We already knew that you didn't really like him. It would just go a long way, I think, if you had just said you don't really like him. You know what? I don't want to be your friend. And you can use that as a scapegoat if you really don't like the guy.

He said a horrible thing. Just say, you said something horrible. There's no coming back from that. I'm sorry. Like, what do you want from me? That would be great. And I think that everybody on the cast would understand. And you know what, if Zach doesn't understand and he still wants to push for it, let him push for it.

He said it. I mean, we sort of got confirmation. He doesn't, he doesn't remember saying it. He blacked out, but he was told that he said it. So I guess he's taking responsibility for it. Still not really positive. It depends on who told him. Brittany told him.

I still have some questions. I don't know. Brittany called him like and let him know, I believe what happened. It sounds about right. But I still, I don't know. I still fail to believe that he would actually say that fully. But he's so responsible. for it. So who am I to question at the end of the day? But with Janet, you can't keep doing

this. You can't keep that door open just simply for a storyline. She just strikes me as somebody who's either doing it for the plot or you're doing it because you like to do this to people. You like to do this when you have somebody in a bad spot who really wants to be your friend, who really wants to apologize and atone for their sins, whatever you want to say. You like to leave the door cracked just to watch them squirm. That's what I'm getting from Janet. That's all it is. That's a good way to put it. Like, that's nail on the head type shit. My guy, well done. As we know, with Janet and Brittany, Brittany and Zach, Brittany and Doty, there's been a lot of discussions around favoritism, double standards, holding people to a different level of

accountability. And Zach calls it like, Britney's, or Janet's spell over Britney. Now, there's a little addition here that was just kind of a one-off, but I think is important because Luke brings up the facts like look Zach love you dude but you talk about Janet way too much like it's it's it's uncomfortable we know that Doty doesn't like Janet so we know Doty's talking shit about Janet if Zach is going above and beyond that every time they hang out I I kind of see where Luke's coming from I'm like all right that's personality I can see that so easily and he probably doesn't shut off about it like I I love Zach I think he's a great person. I think he's a great person for the show, of course.

Absolutely. But I think he's the type of friends that would drive me up a fucking wall because he would have a small minor issue with somebody and he wouldn't shut up about it. And there are people out there that are like that. And they're also great people and they're also a lot of fun to hang out with here and there. But I feel like if you're close friends with Zach, I mean, just look at, we give Britney shit all the time for not being a good friend to Zach. Watch all of the things that he did all season to try to be Britney's friend. He was crying half the time. It's like, all right. It gets to a point where it is a little annoying. And I'm sure that's probably what Luke's thinking where it's like, all right, dude. Like, she doesn't want to

be your friend. Shut up. Janet wants nothing to do with you. She's doing all of these things. Every time you come over, all you do is talk about Janet. You get Doty started. I had her nice and calm. We're hanging out. She's pregnant now. I don't need you coming over here with all this Janet bullshit. So I understand what Luke's coming up from for sure. Yeah, but it does raise questions about Brittany and her relationships with other people because she's known Zach for 17 years after this comment was made at the bar terrible comment absolutely but she had told Janet that she wasn't going to talk to Zach possibly ever again yeah so that's where I question loyalty that's where I question okay if you guys really are friends of 17 years he's your quote unquote brother as

you say do you not owe him a tough conversation to say hey dude that was way too far, is that grounds to completely bail on our friendship? And then the funny part is Janet gets pissed off and removes a happy birthday post to Britney because she finds out that Britney's talking to Zach again. Both things are very telling. I think that what we saw there was Britney doing something for Janet, was just saying something for Janet's sake. I may never be friends of them again.

That's going to make my friend Janet happy. That's going to make her like me more. That's the type of friend that Brittany is for whatever reason. And Janet, on the other hand, when she doesn't get her way and she doesn't have her friends and all of her ducks in a row just kind of following her commands, she gets pissed off and she lashes out in this way in a form of a social media post being deleted. That's just who they are. We see both of them for who they are in this moment right here. I agree. And it's furthered by Doty because she chimes in because she was asked to chime in.

She didn't just jump in. And he said, Doty, you've been friends with both. She said, look, Brittany's a good friend to both Zach and Janet. But when it comes down to it, if Zach talks shit about Janet, it's a huge deal. It's a big problem. If Janet does the same exact thing, it's not a problem. And her response is, I don't see what people see in Janet. It's like, okay, but you hear about it.

A lot of people are telling you about it. It seems to me that you will take Janet's opinion about Zach to heart. But if Zach has an opinion about Janet, you brush it off. and Zach's being too much. That's not fair. That's not fair at all. It's not fair at all. It just immediately confirms all the stuff that we've been saying about Brittany being a friend

all year. And this is really what we've been talking about. This is the best example is Janet and Zach. So how are you going to treat them differently but say the, what did she say about Janet? She's never been a bad friend to me. So why would I be a bad friend to her? Has Zach ever been a bad friend to you? I mean, he did something bad to Janet, but that's by association.

So there's a couple, you know, moves away from where you are and your friendship with Zach, has he ever done anything bad to you? Why does he get this treatment when Janet gets a different treatment? That doesn't make any sense. Now you're contradicting yourself for all of the confessions that you had all season. And then Janet contradicts herself because she's like, you know, I've seen it.

You constantly ask like, why are you hanging out with them? Why are we inviting them? Why are they here? And Zach is like, are we, like, what the fuck's going on? It's like you do all of those things. And Brittany is a party. Janet says those things to Brittany. And Janet's upset.

that Zach says the same shit to Brittany. So from where I'm sitting, it's like both of you probably put Britney in a bad spot by venting about the people you don't like because she likes them. I agree. So that sucks for Brittany. But at the same time,

if that's what's coming at you from both sides and you're equally friends with both of these people, then you can't hold them to different standards. Because if you do that, it makes you a bad friend. Yep, that's plain and simple. I think so, you know. But hey, let's keep trucking because Zach and Brittany, you know, they're, as you said, they're hanging out.

They're traveling together again. Everything's fine. So they got back to a good place. But let's talk about the trip to Napa, right? Yeah. The vineyard in Napa. Yeah. Didn't know that Jesse kissed Jason.

So nice job, boys. But we're talking about the white flag thing and Jesse and Michelle. We saw the whole healing circle thing. Jesse loses me once again. Not that I was like Team Jesse, but I didn't realize he was upset because at the healing circle, Michelle didn't say he's a really good dad.

It's like, dude, this has been a miserable trip. You've been on the wrong end, by the way. You have not been performing very well during the Napa trip. You've been a total piece of shit. You called her a whore. You texted the group chat.

She was a whore. Like, you're getting in her face. You're yelling at her. So we're not on your team during Napa at all. And then on top of that, you're upset and going inside and crying because in that moment after a bad day at the vineyard, Michelle wasn't like, he is the good dad. The fact that she's had anything nice period about anything is remarkable. Yeah, I think this is revisionist history. There's no way that you convince me that that's exactly the reason why he did that.

I think he was on a collision course with how much he was drinking that day, how drunk he was, how in his emotions he was, just being around Michelle. he was going to end up erupting at some point in way. And I, you know, good for him. He went and did it alone, I guess. He didn't erupt on everybody else. He did to Michelle before that. But, you know, in this moment, he didn't. I think what happened is he watched it back and he watched the scene and saw what

Michelle said and he said, wow, I'm going to have to answer for this at the reunion. What's the best thing that I can say here that's somewhat believable? She didn't call me a good father. That's a big issue. That's what really got me. I think he was going to do it regardless. I think he was already teetering. and when she was just stammering a little bit because they just got into a fight,

which you said, why would she say anything nice about you? That's when it kind of set in and then you just kind of hit your breaking point. I don't believe this at all. I don't believe at all that that's the reason. No, I don't either. But my point was even if it's not like, why is that what we're trying to perpetuate? Like there's a million things you could have tried to do. None of them would have worked.

No. This is arguably the dumbest. So we still, with Jesse and Michelle, don't have full answers because, and I do think that we got to the bottom of this one now that I'm thinking about it because we're talking about the Zell guy, Zell guy was apparently at their wedding, Zell guy did send him money. I think even Janet speaks up and it's like just because you're sending somebody a Zell doesn't mean you're performing sex acts. Like I send you Zells all the time. For sex acts. Yeah, but we know that. I put that in the description. Yeah, but there's a

different, yeah, just so we don't have to pay taxes on it. Um, this one this one was stupid i and this is this was very clearly just a tit for tat type of thing where jesse was openly calling her a whore and this is the first thing that she could think of why are you sending a gay man zelle what you guys are both friends with him you guys both went on vacation with the guy you've been around them a bunch he probably owed him some money for a trip or for dinner or whatever the fuck or tulip petals or tulip pedals who never knows what it is it this was just a grasp. It was just Michelle just trying to find something that she can just accuse him of. Because to be fair, what he accused her of was an incredibly frivolous

that came up in the voice chat. So why not throw something back at him and just see what happens? I actually agree with it. I think it's fine. I don't have a problem with it. No, I think she should have explained it a little bit better and just said, you hurt me. I wanted to hurt you with a vicious rumor that I just made up. Good. That was it. Great. Cool. Let's move on. Exactly. The last topic in this second part of the reunion is Danny's drinking. And we've known this is coming at some point. It starts out with the Jack's stuff because we had heard Danny said it in the last episode and we heard previously that Jacks had gone up to Danny and Nia before the season and said

that he's coming for you. He said, I'm coming after you guys are protected this, that, the other. Of course, Jacks apologizes. I don't believe it again. He's like, you know, I'm just so sorry. I didn't realize how close him and Danny were. Like, I didn't know that he felt that way. Yeah.

that was more of again for whatever reason jacks is a central figure and all these guys like hanging out with them i guess i don't know apparently yeah danny seemed pretty broken up about it i was surprised by that too but the apologies from jacks they were so monotone just so i'm sorry i'm just so sorry i'm just sorry i'm just sorry i'm just sorry i'm apologizing guys yeah i did that but i apologize it's like no you do have to answer for these things if you're going to be at the reunion you're going to show up your part isn't done you're still involved in shit because you force yourself to be involved in all of these things so answer for it what the fuck was that at the end you get out of rehab you're feeling better you're drinking again and now you're going after danny for drinking it doesn't really make

a whole lot of sense what do you have to say about that jacks i apologize i you know i said i'm sorry he's getting aggravated like i said sorry it's like he's like pissed off that they're still they're not even going after him and he is just explaining what their side of it looks like and Jacks was just continuing to say he was sorry and then he was aggravated that he had to keep apologizing. Yep, exactly, which bad apology then. Yeah, it was stupid. It's pretty stupid, but we talk about the pantry swig, the tequila bottle,

and it just leads you into what Danny's reasoning was, which is because of... questionable. I didn't buy it. I'm not going to lie. He's like, you know, because of what Jack said to me, that there he's coming for me this year. I didn't want anything on camera.

So it's more hiding it from the cameras because of what he said. And, you know, we asked Nia, like, how do you feel about Danny's drinking? How do you feel about the fact he may have been hiding it? And I thought her answer was fine. She's like, look, there's times that Danny drinks that I think he's really funny. There's times that Danny drinks where he gets really, really annoying. But, and I believe this to be true, the next day, we always have a conversation to just get back on the same page, make sure everything's okay. I believe wholeheartedly, and we've seen small examples of it here and there, I believe that

Nia holds him accountable. I don't think she lets him just get away with being a gross piece of shit. So, like, that's where Janet's argument falls apart. Now, as we're going to see next episode, she's making another big allegation here. If you're going to make that claim, you better have clear cut evidence of it because at this point, you're risking ruining somebody's life over potentially nothing. Like, we don't have any evidence. I'm not saying that it's completely untrue because I don't want to be on the wrong

side of history, but you better have damning, damning evidence of that actually happening. Yeah, you would think that maybe she would try to revisit that time on the boat where she had unsubstantial evidence and still accused him of being a sexual predator. Maybe she would kind of tone it down a little bit. maybe confer with her lawyer husband and try to talk about what she can and can't say. No, not at all. It doesn't serve her at all. So she's going to continue down this road.

And that's what sucks too. And again, you know, what Danny was doing and his reasoning for going into there and closing the door, he, we had a conversation about it. I knew it was going to be something, you know, before the season started, we were talking about it. I'm like, eh, that's still not a great look, dude. Like, I do, I believe that that's why he closed. the door room was hiding but again why are you doing that just try to prove that you're not that guy if i had to give some advice like have a good time you can still get drunk and have fun but once you do something else like that and especially in front of somebody like janet you don't

think that's going to come to bite you in the ass so that's a really really stupid ass move i wish you just cop to being fucking dumb in that moment that would have gone a long way but he doesn't and of course Janet is now on her high horse. So this is where we're going to go with that. Yeah. And she's going to sit up there the entire time looking down. And Jason jumps in. It's like, you know, every time that this happens, like anytime something bad happens,

it looks like Danny and Nia just look for a scapegoat and they point at Janet. It's like, no, no. And at least we have examples. We already talked about this. Like, it's crazy. She keeps inserting herself into situations that simply don't involve her. That's when we find out that Janet went to Nia before the season. said, hey, if this is too much, if his drinking is becoming a problem,

if you need a safe space, come and find me. And this was after the incident that happened as well. So, Nea appreciated that. She's like, yeah, that was great. She was being my friend. But then she insulted me on camera. It's like, that's where it fell apart. That's where we were no longer friends.

And then she continued to perpetuate this story that didn't involve her, that the people involved had gotten over. And yet Janet continued to bring it back to the forefront, bring it back to the forefront. And that's where the biggest issue was. That's what we said all season. If Jasmine wants to have an issue with it, by all means. It's her problem.

He did it to her and Melissa. So if they have an issue, they can have an issue for as long as they want to. But Janet, if they squashed it, why are you getting involved? Jason, if they squashed it, why are you guys getting involved? Like, where, where's the grace that Jacks is getting? How do you have that space for Jacks, but not for Danny and Neah? They can only handle one person at a time getting grace, I guess.

But it just goes to show you, and this is what I wish that everybody on the season could really articulate, at least everybody on the left side of the room could just articulate the fact that they are incredibly jealous of Danny and Nea. Just call them out for it. Say all of these things, because I really do hope, assuming we got Janet and Jason back next year, that we spend the entire season talking about their marriage and digging into all of the things that could be going on there and all the problems that might be arising because this is what they've done to everybody else.

So I hope that they get their come up once next year. But with all of this, and we did see the clip last week, and we were a little concerned about how this was going to go, I'm still somewhat down the middle. I do think when Jasmine brings it up again and she talks about the apology, okay, I get it.

You know, it was better than what I thought it was. I thought she was just fully going to repeal it, fully going to pull it back and say, you know what, that second apology that we saw was also not good enough for me. I felt like it was half-assed. She was talking about the first apology. So I'll give her that. The problem was, now is the opportunity where we're telling Janet butt out. This has nothing to do with you. Instead, she says, thank you, Jason, because I felt like you understood where I was going with that. And all that does is empower the person to his right in his wife to continue down that road you could have taken the opportunity to say just

like nia said this is between us we squashed it i didn't feel like that apology was good enough yes i was saying a lot of things about danny but i wasn't comfortable around him we had another conversation he apologized again he got to understand my point of view and we're going to move forward why are you still talking about this she doesn't say anything she just allows danny to continue to get skewered And once you thank Jason for his perspective and his understanding of the situation, it's going to throw them back to Danny. You need to step in. I'm sorry, Jasmine, but like, what the fuck are we doing here?

You squashed it. We know you squashed it. You just said that everything was good and you guys are moving forward and you feel comfortable now. Tell these two fucking idiots to back off. Like, you can do that because it's your situation. Instead, you're sitting back and allowing it to happen for what? They're just re-digging up all of the stuff that you don't want to relive and yelling it on a boat in Hawaii and now on a reunion stage, but you're going to sit there and just allow

them to do it when you told everybody else to stop doing it. And Melissa told everybody else to stop doing it. Now they can continue to do it. Why? Why are we letting them do it? I just don't understand it. No, and I agree with you. I think that just the way she had gone about it, there was a lot of good points that she made and things that I agreed with, you know. Yeah, for sure. Such as the conversation that she had with Danny. I guess they had also seen each other multiple times before that apology at the white party. So there's also some confusing factors in there, which I understand both sides. You know, Danny's like, oh, we're really doing this.

Like, why are we doing this? And I'm like, that's fucked up to say. But I guess he's saying they had already, like this was already resolved. So he was taken aback when she wanted to have another apology. Again, if she was there this time, I was still, I wasn't really understanding that part of it. Because again, we don't have the context of the first four. They said they saw each other four times before the season. started. So I guess Melissa wasn't there. And I would imagine that he was probably just avoiding

Jasmine as much as possible in a couple of those visits, which is crazy. But yeah, I get it up until the white party. I understand the white party. It did seem half-assed. We saw, you know, a 30 screen clip 50 fucking times this year. It was half-assed. He didn't really apologize. He seemed annoyed that he had to apologize again. Very jacks-esque. Very, you know, that's his best friend that he just lost. So now he's sad about that. Very jacks-esque to be annoyed that you're apologizing for your own actions once again when the person that you did it to is uncomfortable for a very serious situation that's fucked up but by the time we get to the second apology then it seemed squashed and you're saying that everything's good and we're going to move on and everything's okay

that's when you do need to tell everybody to stop talking about it and she doesn't do that so that's where that's where she loses me entirely yeah i think at the end of the scene not season i think the end of the scene she does wrap it up fairly like she's clearly not still mad at danny from what I got, but like you said, what this does is empower Jason. So now Jason's going in and he's like, honestly, I, I thought that interaction was disgusting. We all did. Like, what's happening right now? We all did.

Danny did. Nea did. They talked about it. So like, why are we going back to square one and going after Danny when this has been addressed multiple times? If Jasmine wants to sit up there and say all of the things she said and be like, this is why I didn't accept the apology. This is why I needed to talk about it again.

I didn't feel like Melissa got a fair shake. She needed an apology. Blap, blah, blah, bust it down. Great. I agree.

Fine. 100% I agree with you. But now that we've gotten to the end of it, we go back to the beginning with Jason saying the original interaction was disgusting. It's like, no one's refuting that. Danny's not refuting that either.

And he's like, you know, and the way he's going about, it's like, why are you still hurt? If he was saying to her, like, why are we doing this again?

just like you said for the sole purpose of she needs another apology if he was taking that stance that's terrible but even jasmine seems to believe him when he said no no like why am i doing this again with jason and janet not with you jasmine i'll do this with you and apologize as many times as you need why am i having to do this again with two people not involved that's why i said that jasmine seems to believe him she's kind of like oh okay i misrepped or misheard that one it's like yeah okay cool And yet, now we're going to have Janet jump in and say, well, I'm glad I talked about it so much because it happened multiple times since. Skathing indictment of character there. And I mean, the evidence needs to be irrefutable.

We got to have like video evidence or like five eyewitnesses that all saw the same thing. And if he's doing that shit, then yes, yeah, call him out. Yeah, fucking get him out of here. Without a doubt, without question. But if you're going to do this and wait until now, not during the season when he's trying to defend, you're going to wait to do it now and then bring up an example of the Super Bowl, it just begs a lot of questions. It's like, what? Well, she changed her tune. Why are we not talking once again about the meet and greet that we talked about in Hawaii?

That seems like a good example, if true, but you're not going to talk about that because it's not true. That's what I'm getting from it. so instead you're going to bring up other rumors and i don't know where we're going to go in episode three no idea start off here i would imagine but you're going to bring up other rumors that are more hurtful to everybody else because now you're trying to identify a pattern of behavior with danny where he does this all the time just for what to fit your narrative so that nobody calls you out and says that you're a liar or that you shouldn't be involved in this does she get off on doing this i don't i don't really understand where the fuck she's coming from i can't wrap my head around janet and

Jason's motives at all. I don't get it. I think they just want to bring them down simply because they're jealous of them. But there's nothing here. And maybe, look, if we get to episode three and there seems to be something there and somebody credible can chime in and say, yeah, okay, I was there. I did actually hear that. Then we'll revisit it.

But right now it's just Janet just spewing nonsense. And it doesn't fucking matter. No. And I guess it's just frustrating because it's like the potential ramifications of this are life changing. He could lose jobs. He could lose friends. Like, you could really fuck up his kids are going to watch this back someday potentially and they're going to hear that their dad does that kind of stuff. It's like, like I said, you better have all the fucking evidence if you're going to make these claims. And I didn't even think about your point

of what happened to the meet and greet. Yep. Interesting. I don't know. Let's let's see what the fans have to say. Get to some preguentes. there's a load of them a load a load I don't care for that no this is a really good point from RM Lays I think the public called

to protect Danny and Nia not the cast or production protected them that's true we did we called to protect them we called for them to leave the show to get away from all of it yeah I agree from Steph Rossler RD Jason is definitely hiding something I could see it

I could see it uh from candy fardo would jason and janet be the next couple to divorce boy i hope so that would be no i think that they're just going to be miserable forever and i think that most of their issues stem from they hate their lives so they take it out on other people that's what i get from it yeah oh this is a good point from spammy we couldn't yell at pregnant janet last season but janet and jason can scream at pregnant nea that's a great point yeah what happened all of that False outrage. Where did that go?

Wow, that's a great point. It's a lot of the same thing. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, this is going from Kieran McDee. With everything going on with Jackson, Jesse, this episode, why is Jason still the worst? I have no idea. And from Kate Girl, what am I missing?

Why is Jason so fucking angry with Danny? We don't know. Jealousy. God, really all of these questions. There's like 100 questions. here. They're all the same. From Nat Your Girl LLC. Did you notice the smug look on Janet's face the whole time?

Like she was pleased with herself and husband. Yes. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that Jason was doing all the talking for her. She didn't really have to get involved until the end. He was answering for her. So she probably enjoyed that. That's probably a really good point. Yeah, they kept flashing over to both of them making faces.

It was driving me nuts. You pointed this out the first episode. of the reunion. This is Rachel Rose says they are gaslighting us with a picture of Jackson Cruz on a shelf directly behind Jacks's head. You texted me that. That paid attention. That is, that is 100% true. This is a good point too. I'll go for it. Now you go. I'll do this one last. Okay. From Martha Diane, what JJ strategy will be in season three, she said season two, but what J&J strategy will be in season three so others film with them? Can they redeem themselves? That's a good point because you have to be able to film with people.

I think that they still have. Okay. Janet's going to make a play and say that Jason was the one who was manipulating her and he was actually cheating on her. That's why you had to get the ring tattoo, but they didn't want to share that because they didn't know it for sure. And then Jason's going to say Janet's the crazy one. That'll actually be fun.

Spicy. God, that would be great. Last one here from Dancing in the Dark One. Are these two, Janet and Jason, and looking for a spin-off. God, I don't know what kind of spin-off we would put the two of them in. I obviously would not watch it. I was going to say, who would watch that?

I don't know, 48 hours. I wouldn't even hate watch that. Well, I would watch the 48 hours if one of them went missing or something. Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, God, wow. Went over my head there for a sec. Um, yeah, I don't, all these other ones are the same thing. We all kind of feel the same way.

I'll end it with this one. This is fine. From Christine Bb8, how is it legal for Jesse to wear those pants at the reunion? I didn't notice his pants. They're so bad. They're so bad. Yeah, his reunion look is fucking awful. It's a true.

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't see it really. But, uh, there aren't really any, and, you know, I'm going to give it to obviously Doty and Nia because they're both pregnant. They look great. There's no other good reunion. looks everybody else looks so bad jacks is wearing lifts in his shoes so that's fun sure is confirmed that people blasted him for that one that was all over insta but yeah we got one more part now we wrap up this season of the valley and then uh this is going to be an interesting one to

watch during the off season the moves that we're making because it's going to be a lot of fun but interesting. No, not fun. Potentially ruining the show. Yeah, it could be brutal. But yeah, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. All good here. That's our show.

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