Bros & Shows - Jax Rage Texts, Jesse Deflects and Zack's Upset (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

What's up Bros? The Valley is top tier TV. But the issues do seem a little more seirous than the ones we're used to covering. In this episode, the gang heads to Santa Barbara for Jesse's trip. Luke and Doute are tracking ovulation schedules. Jesse and Michelle are still at odds (obviously) as they attempt to coexist in the house for the trip. Zack takes Janet aside to try and squash things finally. However it seems like his real beef is with Britany and feeling betrayed by her. Jax is rage texting Britany the entire time showing that this treatment center doesnt seem to be helping. the group sits with a spiritual healer to air some things out. Jesse gets emotional and storms off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. At Starbucks, we serve cold coffee just the way you like it. That refreshing chill of ice, that rich, smooth taste you crave.

That handcrafted care every time. Your summer ritual is ready at Starbucks. How are we feeling about Jesse this week, pal? It's definitely a tough week for Jesse. Definitely a tougher week because we had to watch Jacks' reality TV audition tape. Oh, you mean his from rehab? Uh-huh.

Yeah, I got a lot to say about that one, too, in this episode. But, yeah, as the president of the Jesse fan club, I was just wondering how you and your constituents are feeling this week. Feeling good. Definitely shifting focus to other people. It's other people's problems, not my mind. Projecting and pointing fingers. Okay, just making...

Bros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Brows and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me. Brows and Shows. Good evening, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by The Fabulous Goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. There's a golf tournament in the area. I'm pissed off because apparently Angelo's is there. So that would be great to grab a cheese steak, watch some golf. But it's chaos over here.

I know you probably haven't left the house today. No, I did. I did. I had a, yes. Bro, it's been a slog through, because let's see. First of all, let's address what you said. The truest is in Philly. For those that are unacquainted with where the cricket club is in which they're playing,

there is zero parking on that road. There is one road to get to this place, and it is a teeny, tiny road. I can't imagine what is like over there. There's like hundreds of people just walking in the middle of the streets. That's nuts. Two-lane streets with double yellow lines and no sidewalk. They need to figure, if they're going to make this, because this is like a tryout to see if the PGA is going to have it here frequently.

They need to have a parking situation because even if you go to the other side in Militia Hill, there's not there's one parking lot. Yeah. And it's not even theirs. Right. So I don't, well, technically, yes, it is. I was thinking about the state park one. No, no, no, no.

If you go to like Militia Hill golf course, because the Flowertown Cricket Club is on this side, which is part of the, no one cares about this. Nobody's, and also nobody's parking there because they have all the trailers there. Oh, there you go. That makes sense. That makes sense. So, yeah, Shooter. You're correct.

I would love to go have it, Angela's cheese steak. I do have, I've got an inn on Saturday if I want to go. Yeah, I'm already golfing on Saturday. I got a men's baseball league game, so I'm going to go do that instead of watch golf. You. Priorities, baby. Priorities, but back to your team. Back to my week.

We had cram episodes in early in the week because I had a private dinner last night. We did three episodes the day prior. I started prepping on Tuesday night at, what time did we get done? community Zoom, 920. So I started prepping at 9.30. Went to bed at 3.30 a.m. Finish prepping. Woke up on Wednesday morning and started prepping at 10 a.m.

And then cooked my dinner, got home last night at 8 p.m. So I'm exhausted. I thought I was going to recover. I didn't sleep at all last night. So I have a cup of coffee. I got my best butt over here. I was going to say five different things. To say belly bud?

My belly, buddy. Just to keep that a secret. My best buddy or a cup of coffee and a great episode of The Valley. So I'm in a great mood to recap this, but when I tell you, I'm a, I'm a rundown sack of shit today. Yep. It's all right. It's all right. We'll get through this.

But we're going to talk the Valley. And it's a great show. I mean, for so many different reasons. Like I've said kind of all season, I do think that the issues on this show are just more serious than other shows. They are. But it's still reality TV, so it's interesting to watch it through that lens and then hear them addressing serious things.

Well, the interesting thing, too, is apparently we're getting a whole franchise when it comes to the Valley, because did you see the news about the Shazza Sunset? That's a Valley reboot with the Shazza Sunset. It's officially called The Valley. Wait. Yeah. What? Uh-huh.

Yeah. So it's going to be a franchise for The Valley. It's the Shah is like Shaws in the Valley? Oh, okay. Yeah. But it's going to be full valley. So all the same producers. LVP gets her credit.

Wow. Yeah. So it's a whole thing. I mean, I'm down. I'm glad the shows are coming back. Oh, my.

Yeah. I like that they're doing it here too because they're like, oh, we've got some pretty good success over here. Let's do the same thing. We'll have like three or four familiar faces and then just kind of fill it in. I love when they replicate good shows. Yeah.

Like if you have a good blueprint, just fucking run it again. If it doesn't work, at least you took the shot on something we like rather than, And the show we're going to have to watch soon. Next gen. We got the screeners for it. We're going to have to dive in.

We did this with the Valley last year, though. You're right. Yeah, but hold on. It's not the same thing. It's not remotely. No. But we'll give it a shot. We'll go in unbiased.

Even if we talk shit on shows, we do go into the first episode with positive attitudes. We want them to be good. And then... Because we have this screener, if we watch it, which we won't, we never end up watching it super early. We always watch the screeners a day before. So that day before NextGen airs, if we're a little weird, whatever we're recording, I'm not sure which show it's going to be, just know it's because Next Gen sucks. Yeah.

If we're, we've got a pep in our step, it's because next gen rules. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. We'll see. We can't, we can't spill the beef. What the fuck is going on? There might be beef in that show. Who knows?

Spill the tea. I'm not here spilling beef. I'm not here spilling beef. So, like, would we even know because they're also passive aggressive? And they, I don't understand what. They say half the time, yeah, I don't know. There was, like, rose emojis sent over here. I thought that was a good thing.

It's a bad thing. Really? Yeah. Oh. Rose emojis aren't great. What does that mean? Wow, we're at that phase in our life. These crazy kids.

Confolute and kids. Fuck, what is the word? I don't even know what words they use these days. What's the word for cool? I don't know. Like, what's comparable to, like, lit? Because we used to say lit. Like, if someone's lit, what is that in this generation?

I'm being serious. Do you know? No idea. You're putting me on the spot. I would probably be able to come up with something. Yeah. But yeah, right now, no. Got nothing.

Let's bring back rad. That's rad. Everything should be and is cyclical. I wouldn't be surprised if some like 60, 70s, 80s terms to start. I mean, fashion these days is similar to that of like the 70s 80s. So I could see like the words coming. I'm just going to start saying rad again. I think I can pull off rad.

It's rad. Rad works. Rocks has been coming back. That rocks. Yeah, I've been saying that. Rocks has really been coming back. Yeah, Rocks is making a good comeback. And that one feels good to say.

Yeah. How about, uh, and we'll get to the show in a sec, guys. Don't worry. This is good for me. Honorific, I don't think it's coming back. You keep pushing it, but I just don't think it's going to work. I think it's just, it works. You really need to stop saying it at work meetings.

I know. You're both. I'm trying to get fired. It's not working. It's actually, that's the only place it is catching on. Now everybody in the office is like, wow, that's so bonerrific. I'm like, fuck, I wanted to get fired. Now I'm cool

Everyone thinks I'm the man Everybody thinks I'm rad. Yeah, everyone thinks I'm rad Because I came out I coined Bonerific In an attempt to get fired But let's get into the valley Because we have a lot to talk about this episode

And we start out with Zach and Kristen And I thought that this was I'm only pointing this out Because I thought it was a little foreshadowing And I'm not I'm still not sure if it is or not Because I don't trust Janet

But I thought about that so Because Zach is stressed about Janet He's worried so he's talking to Kristen about it. He's like, I don't know what to expect. So I just thought that was foreshadowing to what we get later. The thing about Zach, too, and this goes with this scene,

I never really question his intentions. I never question what he's doing or what he's feeling. I feel like he wears his heart on his sleeve, which does obviously hurt him a lot. Sometimes. In certain situations. But to the viewer, whatever he's doing, it comes across as genuine, whether he like it or not.

So I never really question what his intentions are when he's going into a conversation. Like, however he's feeling is definitely how he's feeling. I agree. I agree with that. And so he's a good barometer of kind of where the audience should be. Him and Jasmine are good at that. I agree. Everybody else, I always have that thing in the back of my head.

I'm like, I don't think you really think this. Right. Yeah, those two, I do believe them. But we get the trip departure. Everyone's meeting up to head out. And Zach gets a little, do you know who flat Stanley is? Yeah. You do.

Okay, great. Yeah. So it gets like a flat Stanley Benji. That book was read to me when I was on like first or second creative library. Really? I didn't know about it until Stone my little brother was in like, because he had one. And he used to bring it, because you had to take a picture with it. That's still a big thing, by the way.

Is it? Yeah, because my nieces would walk around. We went to Puerto Rico one time and we had to all flat stand there, right? There you go. Take pictures of them. Oh, wait, no. You have to, no, there's one. Actually, it was over Easter and it was a Jesus picture that they had to color, and it was flat Jesus.

We were making the flat Jesus joke, me and my stepmother, and nobody really got it. The kids definitely didn't get it, so I'm wrong. But yes, we did have to take pictures. You had flat Jesus. He's a flat Jesus. Big flat Jesus. Wow. You're a big flat Jesus guy. Who would I think?

Interesting. But anyway. Shout out the Pope. Yeah, shout out the Pope. New Pope. We've got a new Pope. Pope. Remember, like, young, hot Pope?

Remember in Jude Law was young Pope? Oh, that's right. Yeah. God. Give me Jude Law Rip and Sigs Pope. Yeah, come on. That'd be awesome. Just to just walks up there, like, addresses the world.

For Fat Russell, Pro Pope. If you haven't, I don't think we've referenced it this year. It was last year. Yeah, last year. We do. Yeah. If you have not seen the Pope's exorcist, holy shit. You have a hanker into watch Fat Russell Crow in Pope Garb riding a Vespa?

With an Italian accent, fighting demons. Yep. In the first scene of the movie, he shoots a pig in the face with a shotgun from point blank. They show all of it. It's a tremendous movie. It's a horrible movie, but it's a great movie. There's a scene of him riding a Vespa with rock music behind him as he leaves the Vatican.

It's cinema at its finest. You can't beat it. But anyway, they're getting ready to leave, and we find out that Jacks has been texting Brittany. He's been going to seven hours of therapy a day. He has 15-minute breaks in between each hour increment, and in those

15 minutes, he's been rage texting Brittany. I don't know what the place he's at is called. I'm not sure what the stipulations there are. They probably shouldn't say what treatment center this is, because I will leave horrible reviews. Why does he have access to his phone? Why is he rage texting his

wife when he's supposed to be getting mental health help? I like that we kind of go through all of it too because everybody has that thought. Zach, I think, said it first. Why does he have his phone? What kind of rehab is this? Jason steps in and goes, you know what? We shouldn't be debating the legality of whether or not he should have his phone. We should be talking about why he's doing this and the fact that it's not working. Shut up, Jason. But like, that's logical. No, it's logical, but it's also like, I don't need to debate the legalities of his phone. I'm just saying why does he have his phone? Yeah, well, that's what he meant. He just meant, like, what the big issue here isn't that he has his phone. Why is he

still rage texting? Yeah, because, oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Because he also says, you know, he's still, when he talked to him, we'll find out later that he's like, he's still blaming Brittany. And like, that's his biggest, not his biggest issue with one of his biggest. And that's what Britney said in the after show, she was talking about, like, all the things that he was sending. It is still a rage text, but she was like, he's love bombing one minute, he'll go back to therapy, he'll come back out and he'll blame me for everything. It's Like, okay. Yeah, it looks, it sounds like it's going great in there, but.

Doty, Luke, and Jesse are driving up. And they're obviously talking about Michelle, you know, she's given the cold shoulder. It's obviously been a rough few weeks as we've been party to. And I did think it was funny. But actually did her dirty here. He's like, you know, she was so happy. She wouldn't have to tell people how happy she is. And it cuts to Michelle.

She's like, I'm so happy except when he does blah, blah, blah. But then she says the exact same thing. If he's so happy, why doesn't he leave me alone? They're both right. You guys are the same person. They literally are. Like, that's why it's fun to watch this in a fucked up way because you have two idiots that are not great people. Would you take out, like, the morality of the whole thing?

It is very entertaining to watch the way about. Yes. Like, you don't feel bad about the ramifications of all of the other things in their life. And you don't, you try your hardest not to think about what the impact is on their daughter. You really try. There are times where I'm like, so tough. Nikes. But when you just watch them in a vacuum, there's no better entertainment.

I agree. I agree with you. I think that's why they're so captivating. But we get to Santa Barbara. I thought it was funny that Jesse hands out white flags to everybody. Michelle does not accept the white flag, which I thought could have been foreshadowing as well. This whole thing takes such a bizarre trajectory.

Yeah. To the end of this show, obviously emotions are high and things are kind of nuts with this whole thing. Alcohol is also flowing hard there. Jesse's going hard. Yeah. He already drank two bottles of. a Prosecco by the time everybody gets to the house.

So he went there obviously to blow off some steam, which is always a little bit. This is, this honestly goes towards the theory of he is, like, he is innately an asshole. Sure. And he is very vindictive and very petty. But there is a bit of like, he might actually be going through it and he's putting this on for show. I think it's kind of both. It is both. And then you, like you know probably more than most when you're drinking that heavily.

What fuck is that supposed to me? You can't keep the facade. up. No, there is a certain point where the mask starts the slip, especially. And he's doing it so hard. He's trying so hard to make these little quips and jokes and whatever. Once he gets this fucking drunk as he is at the end of the episode,

you just can't help. I think that's kind of what you see. Yeah, it's a good point. Well done. Well done. But Doty is ovulating. So it's a great house to be boinkin. That's what she says. Look at these views. We're going to be boinkin' all night. This is great. All weekend. Trying to get pregnant.

Melissa arrives. And that's Jasmine's girlfriend, which is nice that she gets to join. Is Benji not there because Benji's in Canada, or is Benji not invited? He's still sorting his shit out? He's still trying to figure out, like, when he's coming in. They're moving in. Yeah, so I think he would have been invited. But I think when Zach said it, he didn't say it plainly.

He's trying to get his ducks in a row. I think he's sorting things out. Okay, that's fine. I think he'll be here by the end of the season, though. Fair enough. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is an eight-episode Hulu original limited series that blends gripping pacing with emotional complexity, offering a dramatized look as it revisits the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox

for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The twisted tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. Tim's new scrambled egg loaded croissant, or is it croissant? No matter how you say it, start your day with freshly cracked scrambled eggs loaded on a buttery, flaky croissant. with maple brown butter today at Timms at participating restaurants in Canada

for limited time. During the Volvo Fall Experience event discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures and see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety

brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September lease a 2026 XC90 plug-in hybrid from $599 biweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event.

Condition supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. The least surprising thing I've heard just based on, you know, his record, his what is, his IMDB page probably, is that Danny was in a spoof of Fast and the Furious. Of course he was. Called Super Fast. Have you ever watched any of those like really shitty, like not be, almost serial spoof films? Yeah. Usually they turn into porn.

I mean, you know, the ones that don't, they're very entertaining. Yeah, they're... The ones that do, they're also very entertaining. But, you know, oh, boy. Well, Daddy was in a non-porn spoof called Super Fast. Are we sure it wasn't porn? I haven't watched it. I don't know.

I don't think so. Yeah. It doesn't strike me as that type, but, I mean, maybe. But the... I don't think they would have shown it, probably, the clip. That's a much better point. Because then people are going to Google it. Yeah.

But it is Bravo. It is shady. I don't know. Good point. I doubt it. Let the record show, no, I do not think that it was a... I don't think that Nia would be with a guy that was in porn. I don't either.

Yeah. Okay. Sure. What was I about to... Oh, the one thing I did see that, I think, is spot odd and very, very funny. But the one thing that I always laugh at, and somebody tweeted it out, and now I can't see it any other way. Like, anytime they see Danny on screen, his fashion reminds him of Kelvin Gemstone from the righteous gemstones. Accurate.

Spot on. Especially when you're not. the long shirts and, like, the funky pants. And when he was wearing that, like, later at the end of the episode. When he got, like, the Chelsea boots on, the suede boots and, like, a longer blazer on top. Yep. Yeah. Kelvin Gemstone.

Yep. But anyway, we're all headed to the raceway, but not before Luke and Doty get a little boinkin. It's a nice job. They really hit the ground running there. Love that for them. But we get to the raceway. As the president of the Jesse Lally fan club, how do we feel about shirtless Jesse strolling up with his race garbon?

And his small nipples. And his tiny nips. Not a great look. Oh, interesting. Not a great look. I thought you were to be all about it. So I was still pissed because I was with the rest of the crew. I thought they were racing.

I did too. I thought they were getting at least go-carts. This did look, I would let me the record show. It looks like a lot of fun. I would love to do this. Tell us that's what we're doing before we do it. Like, yeah, you can still dress up and it's still a lot of fun. Obviously, you're on a TV show.

You're on vacation. But, like, let us know. So I was still pissed off about that. And then when he rolled up, I didn't really. care. Didn't care for it. Yeah. Okay.

Or maybe it was the tiny nipples. What did you think about Will Ferrell's brother being there as the director of the racing? Did you see that guy? I'll tell you what. Luke was excited about it. That guy looked like Will Ferrell's brother. He did. Did he not?

He definitely did. Okay. But Luke going into this, this was Luke in a great mood. Luke had a great episode. He did. And he's really coming into his own. And the one thing that you can never deny, he loves Doty so much. And he's so nice to her.

He's so nice to her. And he's so supportive and so great in this group of guys. Tough to come by. I know. He was excited. Yeah, he was pumped, and then Jesse stole his car. Yep. Well, I think that...

Okay, defend him now. No, that was a different thing later. I'll get into that when that happens. But Luke was so... He was beaming with excitement. He was explaining the rules, everybody. He pulled the guy aside, introduced himself, got all the rules, and then stood up, and he was like, here, guys, this is what we're going to do.

Well, he's probably, I mean, he's from the sticks up in Colorado. This is probably like a Luke activity. Yeah. He's probably like, oh, fuck yeah, I got... Yeah, probably is. Why are you going to defend him taking a car? I think that was so that somebody else could win because Luke was just crushing everybody. Oh, you think?

He was like a lap ahead of everybody in every race. All right, that's fair. That's fair. I think it was like, hey, let's let somebody else get excited. Who ended up winning in the second? Danny. Danny? Danny won because then they pop bottles and Zach's guy hate straight people sometimes.

Straight men. Thanks, dude. But anyway, during all of this, Jack's is rage texting Brit, which is just, again, astounding. I don't know why he has his phone. I don't know why this is being allowed in there, but he's, of course,

just to show you the psyche of Jacks Taylor and why he needed to be in there for at least 30 days instead of 11, as he's texting her things like, you destroyed my family, you took my job, I worked on this for two years. Woe is me pretty much, and blaming Britney for everything.

He's simultaneously texting other people in the group saying things like, how is it? like, I miss you guys. Like, I'm so happy here. He's the most narcissistic motherfucker in the world that even in rehab, he's setting the stage for, like, I'm being super nice. I don't know what he's talking about. And also assuming that everybody there is not going to read these texts to each other.

The text messages, yeah, that didn't make any sense. And of course, he's doing it on the guys of just got out of therapy, really working on a bunch of things. I talk to you. I've got some things to say to you. No. No. Save it.

Absolutely not. And obviously, he's not going back into therapy saying, Yeah, I got a lot off my chest via text message to my wife, my estranged wife. Yeah, I feel like we've really broken through because I rage texted her. The whole thing is bullshit. And then, of course, it spills over to Doty and he's rage texting her about the things. Well, it's just insane. Well, to be fair, she baited him into it.

She did. Because, like, which I like. She wants to test this, like test the water, see if he's actually making progress, actually being a different person. And she baits him. And he bites immediately. Yep. He starts talking shit about Brit. he starts talking shit about the Julian stuff again well he's she's sending naked pictures

to Julian and pictures of my son it's like yes so you guys were separated none of this is bad behavior what you do is bad behavior the video that we get of him and i'm saving it for when we actually get it is it's so frustrating and anybody that defends him is even more frustrating like we caught wind of uh apparently there's a podcast out there that was talking shit about you and i that defends jacks and we're not going to say who and we're not going to go after him because if you guys have noticed we don't throw stones at other podcasts it doesn't make a lot of sense to us unless you're on tv trying to force yourself into a franchise yeah that's kind of silly we talked about that but there are people and podcasts out here that are defending jacks like making him

seem like this is okay and i've already said my piece on it i'm not going to go back down that path. If there's a world in which he figures this shit out, that world is off camera. That world is not in the spotlight. No, for sure. And we talked about this on our community Zoom the other night. The Valley doesn't need Jacks anymore. It does not. He's not here. Like the only, the sore part of this whole episode is Jacks. It's him texting Brittany and it's the video confessional that we get. You take... Start, this is a great thing to clip. Start with like a heavy, like, the Valley does not need Jacks and go into the rest. The Valley does not need Jax anymore. It's very clear to us. We can watch this episode. If we take out those little

points of his video confessional and him rage texting Brittany, it's a great episode. It's a great cast. There's enough going on where we just don't need Jax anymore. And by the way, we've got the less toxic version of Jax and Jesse. He's not that problematic. You know, you can look into different things. But for reality TV, he's perfect for it and he's all of the good parts of Jax, quote unquote, for this show. He runs the show. He can push things forward. Everything's going to work. around that and he's way less toxic towards I can't really say any of that banana and it just simply works without jacks that's what we have to focus on so anybody who's out there saying this show needs him or we need more of jacks they're idiots they're just flat out wrong because

if you look over the past I don't know four episodes yeah the whole season really like all jacks has done is show us abuse on TV of his wife yeah which was not fun to watch it was not entertaining. I think it was important. I wonder if Brittany had a hand in that where it's like, can we show the world what I go through? I don't think so. Because wasn't he a producer on the show? Ah, that I don't know. I have to look at the whole thing. That's why I think that we got the video diary later. I think it was his point to push that in there. That's interesting. The only thing that he's done positive this season is show us that weird motley crew at Jacks is that one night. Right. The guy with the mullet. The fucking mullet guy,

Bert, uh, Schwartz's brother and Schwartz. Like, other than that, jacks has not been a point of emphasis as far as like entertainment value on the screen at all this year showing and proving this show flourishes in spite of him we don't need him anymore and bravo could make a huge statement by saying no we're not going to bring an abusive piece of shit back onto this show well instead they're already rewarding them because he's got first seat in the valley uh reunion well i hope what that is for because i did see that i hope what that's for I hope and pray because this could be a great moment for Andy

to sit down with somebody that is whether you like him or not he's somewhat in the Mount Rushmore of reality TV stars on Bravo that are not housewife centric Andy could make a huge statement by going after him really holding his feet to the fire allowing Brittany to say her piece

allowing the cast to say their piece and then saying all right dude you're done see ya and not bringing him back next day we already know what's going to happen yeah sure work in progress he's working through some things obviously there's certain things that he does that aren't good but you know what just stay with him he's going to go good help

and he has gotten help is what he's going to say we've seen that for 10 plus years now well that's the other thing too if we didn't already know that he was rage texting Brittany from rehab when they walked into the Santa Barbara house part of me would have thought that he was already there right

like oh yeah I'm not going to let you guys go on this vacation without me that would be a Jack's move to just check himself out and be like I need to be there and then ruin everything but we get to the post race and uh the jacks news has broken to the public where it's like jacks taylor checks himself into a treatment center blah blah blah does jacks know this is another reason that he shouldn't have his phone because he can google things and people can text him if you're actually trying to get better and then you see an article about your treatment going viral

you're probably going to check yourself out because you're like fuck never one thinks i'm crazy so this is everything that's going on with this quote unquote treatment center is detrimental to its patients. So again, don't know where this place is, bad reviews. Very bad. Horrible reviews.

Because the other... The other part of it that really bothers me is like something that was made clear to me that took weeks to figure out while you're in rehab is like, you're in here with no contact to take care of yourself,

but also to give everybody that's been dealing with you time to heal themselves because everyone that goes through anything with mental health, alcohol, drugs. It's not just the person that is afflicted that's going through it. It's all the damage you've caused to people around you. They also have to heal from the same amount of trauma that you've put them through.

This fucking treatment center is not giving Brittany the time to heal herself. That's annoying. So this place sucks balls. Unless it's like, unless I'll give them a pass, which is very possible that Jack's found a place that's like, you know, this is similar to what Raquel and Sandoval went to in Arizona to, quote-unquote, get treatment. You know what I mean? Then that just could be false advertising for Jacks.

That's probably what it is. We already know that the call that he was on when Jason and Danny were over there. Right. It was AI because obviously Bravo doesn't have rights to that end of the phone call. But the way that he was responding, it does sound very laxadaisical. That's what it seemed like. Kind of what it seems like, hey, we really do recommend 30 days, but. Yeah, but it's a...

Nothing to stop you. It's like, all right. Yeah, I don't know. Like my ex-interview is very much like boop, boop, you know what I mean? So I don't know. But we start talking to everybody about like who knows, like who's leaking to the press. This all seems very specific. Jack's leaked it to the press.

Probably. Yeah. Yeah, more than likely. But like who told him that we were coming here? And Jesse's like I told him. It's like what? You know, of course I support Brittany. But well, we can't support Jacks as well.

It's like, again. Jason said we can't support that, Jacks. The way that Jesse went about it, I actually agree with. And this isn't a Jesse bit. he did say if he finds out that we're here he's going to blow up oh that okay that part i agree but then jason chimed in and jason was like well look i mean like we're we not we support brittany of course but i feel like he also needs us i'm like he does when he gets out if he does his job yeah if he goes in there and gets better now no he's got that's the whole point right he's got

people taking care of him right now he's got support he needs to figure it out on his own because again you guys reaching out he's enabling him to say things like brittany's the problem because you're constant communication. So again, shut the fuck up and let the professionals do their job. Exactly. But anyway, we get a very strange,

I'm assuming alcohol-fueled interaction here because Jesse brings up his girlfriend or I guess ex-girlfriend at this point and accuses the girls of the group of social bullying, which I'm assuming is social media bullying. Yeah. And both Janet and Brittany are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Both of us have said nice things or at least general things about, her that weren't aggressive. Where we took an issue is her writing letters to Michelle and saying weird things to her and that she's going to sue her, which I was like, yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. And Jesse's like, he starts going on about like, you're not, you're manipulating the situation, like you're not equipped to play this game.

He tries to get all tricky and shit. He said a lot, but he said nothing. Yeah. It was pretty much just like, the way I took it was I'm in an uncomfortable position. I guess he broke up with her. I don't really know. I don't think he... I do not think that he broke up with him.

I don't think he broke up with her. I don't think any of that even happened. Even when he said, no, I'm not with her. I didn't believe him. I believe that. They're probably still together. No, no, here's what I believe. I believe she's driving the ship.

And she's like, eh, and then later she's going to be, alright. They watch. Yeah. I think she's hanging with... By the way, the stories are coming out about that guy. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. Because it is an older gentleman that was on the OG Bay watch. he's got a track record. Not great. A lot of things going on. Yeah, he's, it's interesting. He's not on the show,

so we can't dig too deep into it. No, we don't like to do that. But if you want to have a fun little rabbit hole, go search that guy. He's an interesting character. And this love triangle gets a lot more interesting when you learn about the third party. Uh-huh.

Anyway, Janet flat out says, I don't like your ex threatening lawsuits. And Jesse's response, again, not really pertinent to the situation. And he's like, yeah, well, I don't like your best friend cheating on me for two years. It's like, I'm sure you don't. But that has nothing to do with anything. And Janet, great response.

He's like, if I was married to you, I'd be cheating on you too. I was like, ooh, mic drop. The best part about that whole thing was Jesse then looks at Jason, which, by the way, I'm going to call something out here with Jason. He doesn't take his wife's side that often. No, he's too logical and pragmatic. Yeah, like Brittany and Janet walk away. She makes a comment like that. Jesse looks at Jason.

And he's like, Jason's like, what do you want me to do? Hey, do you like my drive jacket? He's like, I'm not going to step on anybody's toes here. The funny thing about the drive jacket, because he's wearing the jacket that Ryan Gossing wore in drive. Yeah. That jacket. Now, fact check me on this out there, please. And if I'm wrong, let me know.

But I'm pretty sure that if you go back to when Doty cheated on Sandoval with Jacks, I do believe that there was that jacket in the living room of the apartment on the camera. Oh. Again, please back check me. I'm watching some Willie Vanderpump recently. I'm trying to remember. I think that that is a thing.

I'm not 100 on it, but let me know. It would be a really funny callback. Yeah, that would be a funny back to this whole thing. Plus, it's a sick jacket. That movie's fucking incredible. But before we get back to the rest of our episode, we have a quick word from our friends over at Prolon. And you've heard Steele and I talk about Prolon before.

Anytime that we feel like we need a reset, anytime we feel like we're not really feeling like ourselves, and we just need to hit that hard reset button. We go right over to Prolon because we know that their next gen five-day fasting mimicking program is going to get us exactly where we need to be, right, Steele? It just gives you a reset. It makes you feel better. It makes your mental clarity better. And it's just a good way.

If you've had a heavy run, maybe you're going out, maybe you're not feeling 100%. Your gut health feels a little funny. You do this five-day fast, and it's just a good reset for everything. You just kind of snap back into feeling like yourself. And they have soups, snacks, and beverages designed to nourish the body while keeping it in a fasting state triggering cellular rejuvenation and renewal. It's not like a fast that you've ever done before. They'll keep you guys feeling great the entire time.

And for a limited time, you can be first in line to experience the new Next Gym program with special savings. Prolon is offering Bros & Show's listeners 15% off sitewide, plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their five-day program. Just visit prolonllife.com slash bros. That's P-R-O-L-N-L-I-F-E.com slash bros to claim your 15% discount and your bonus gift. Prolonlife.com slash bros. We get back to the house and I love Zach taking the initiative here and he's like, I think I need to talk to Janet. I think I want to talk to Janet right now. Our beer first. Great move. Janet, can I get you a beer? Yeah, sure. Can we go have a chit-chat? Sure.

I've been up on Janet for two episodes now, up until this point. Yeah. Watch this scene. Didn't love it. Really? Didn't love it. I mean, I like the way it. She handled herself fine.

The way it wraps up. The way it wraps up, I have a lot of theories about it that it could be. Yeah. She's setting pieces in place. I just, I'm not going to drag her for it because, again, you know, to climb your way out at the bottom, which is where she was is not that hard. So she is making progress forward, but when they're talking to each other, You know, the props she's getting yourself where it's like, it's big of me to even be doing this.

It's like, not really. I think it's fair for you to hear them out based on the fact that you two were friends before this. Apparently, the bigger issue here is something that happened off camera. Zach did say something worse. Oh, he did. Then got back to Janet via Brittany. Okay. Brittany confirmed it on a podcast.

I think even Doty went as far to say, like, yeah, I did hear that that happened. That's different. I didn't know that. That changes how I watched the scene then. So it's not just, and we've been kind of in the middle where we're like, all right, like, well, if you go back to show the clip, the clip isn't that bad. So, yeah, so I think there was something worse afterwards off camera when he was leaving the restaurant that night. Okay, well, that's the bigger issue.

That I didn't know. Yeah, that changes things. And look, we don't know if that actually happens. We're kind of taking Britney's word for it. She gets involved a little bit anyway, so we'll talk about that. But in this moment, I'm like, okay, I think Janet kind of handled herself okay. That changes it for me. And we know Zach is very emotional.

He gets to a point where he feels like he can't say anymore. And if he's drunk. I think it was a hard conversation for him to have because he did have to swallow some pride and get into some things that he did, of course. But he's like, look, you know that my apology was genuine. We've seen a lot of apologies on this show. It wasn't that great. The original apology I didn't think was like.

The original apology was not that great. It was more of a, can we get over this? It was, can we move on, please? Yeah, I agree with that. And that does change the scope in which I watched the scene. So I rescind what I said then, because. Because if that's the case and something worse was actually stated and it did have to do with... It wasn't just the I don't care comment.

That changes things. I didn't know that. So in this scene, then I'll give her a little bit more leeway here. But Zach takes responsibility. And he says, you know, I was sincere in my apology. I thought that we'd moved on from this. And then you just kind of dropped me. And I didn't get the invite to Big Bear.

It made me laugh very hard. And she's like, you know, well, we weren't sure if there was enough room. I was like, that house was huge. The house was massive. That's really funny. And then you spent the night worried that Zach was trying to break in. Yeah, and then that's when it paints it in a different color, too, because you're looking at it, like, all right, like, we're not going to believe you when you say that the house wasn't big enough. But you guys were actively worried about Zach showing up.

You were acting like he was a serial killer. Yeah. And you were talking shit on him the whole time. The entire time. So, like, this wasn't just simply a, we weren't a great place and we didn't have enough room, Zach. That's where she was, I didn't want you there. Just take ownership. She needs to take some accountability, and that's how she starts it off, which I didn't love either, because Zach's like, it's, like, it's like, and I even appreciate it. He's like, look, it's majority me. I'm like, good for you. He's like, but there are some things for you. And Janet's like, what? He worked towards it. It was actually kind of funny because he started off. Like, we both have things that we need to take accountability for. It's like, Zach, just a little bit. You're going to have to take more. And he did get there. He got there eventually. He's unwilling to just relinquish all of it.

Yeah. And that's like, look, this is all on me. I shouldn't have said that. He's not willing to do that. He just wants her to take some. It's okay with me. It's fine with me. Because if they are going to be actual friends, if they're going to be actual friends again, then she does have to take some kind of accountability. A lot of it does have to do with Brittany, too. I think the root of everything is Brittany. Yeah.

I think that Janet and his anger towards Janet is actually much more a Brittany thing. Yeah, because I would go as far to say that he was a lot closer with Brittany than he was to Janet. He is. He is off of what we've seen. Yeah. So I think he's way more hurt by Britney's actions and he blames Janet for it. Agreed. I think Janet's taking a lot of shit for what Brittany did.

And then we find out more of what Brittany did because Janet let slip. He's like, well, Brittany told me after the Jack's opening, she called me and said, let's have lunch. And that was, I think, exactly kind of the root, like I said. And I think when he hears that, he was like, what the fuck? Because he called knee out. Yeah. And he's like, which I like that move too. He's like, I'm getting too emotional support person.

I don't need to go too far with this. I need to hold knee his hand, which I also thought was kind of funny. He's like a Labradoodle. Like, hey, come on out here. Sit next to me. I need to pet the dog. Yeah, exactly. I need my emotional support animal right now.

And that's what Nia did for him. But I like that move instead of going too far and ruining any progress being made. It's like, even more. And again, giving Janet some props here. Although at the end of this, I'll tell you what I really think. I like that she sat there and waited. And allowed for all to take place. That would have been an easy opportunity to be like, this is stupid.

Yeah. Are we really like, I'm going to wait for you to have Nia out here so that you can say what you need to say. you're going to get too emotional, I'm out. No. She could have easily left a bunch of times, and she didn't. No, I appreciate that. I do, actually. But it becomes evident, again, this is like a Britney betrayal thing.

He feels betrayed by what he thought was his best friend, somebody that should understand, like, hey, I was blacked out. You know how I am. Obviously, I didn't mean any of that. And then you went straight to the person I was talking about and spilled all the tea or spilled the beef, apparently, is what I'm saying now. So I think that's the main problem here. but Janet and I do believe her when she says I want to move forward like I want to move forward like look at me because he's still emotional she's like hold my hand now she's like I want to move forward we might not be the best of friends but we can have a good time I'm like that's a good place to start I think that's like the perfect spot to be too agreed because I do genuinely think she just wants to move on from the whole thing I think so we can't have this dark cloud around all the time it's too awkward after watching Janet and Dave and Busters I don't think she wants to deal with a lot of the shit I think she's She's kind of over that.

Ah, no. No. So here's the thing with Janet. Yeah. She's a fan of the show. She was a fan of Vanderpump. She knows how all these things were. She's a Fander Pump.

She's a Fander Pump. I think that she was deep in the comments last year in between, realizing that people don't like her. I do think you can't fake that kind of excitement when it comes to Dave and Busters. I think that she genuinely likes Dave and Busters, and I don't like all the shit that people are talking about that. Yeah, I need everyone to relax with the white trash Dave and Buster's comments. like let's relax David Buster's rocks I thought that it was like

it was a funny comment when she starts talking about I just want to be friends to somebody that like like Brittany that'll just like order some Taco Bell I'm crazy I'm a girl like look at me over here

like she's trying to be relatable I think that that could be also very true and very valid Dave and Busters he can't fake that energy when it comes to shit like this I think she knows what people are going to think about her

interesting she's portraying a different Janet that's look it could work if she keeps it up and it's the whole season and we don't have any more issues with Janet. She doesn't get on Doty's nerves.

She doesn't push the envelope anywhere. She'll be back to neutral. If she gets there, I'm much better with that. I'm happy with that. I wouldn't, I would actually kind of respect more if she leans more into what she was last year.

If she wanted to just be the full on villain, like I would... And if she was good at it too, I would respect it. I wouldn't have an issue with that. I also appreciate and like people that are like, oh, this is blah, blah, blah. Like, every single cast member

on every single show that we watch has an agenda going into the season. So I'm not going to fault her if she's trying to change her image a little bit. I see how the repairing of her and Doty's relationship. That's going to be the big kind of, because that's going to be harder to fake because Doty's going to keep poking until she feels like it's actually resolved. And even if it is, or it gets to a point that we just watched with Zach and Janet,

and Doty questions it and she goes and talks to whether it's, you know, Jesse, because she's team Jesse, or she's talking to Luke and she has different feelings about it. I'm going to lean towards Doty. Yeah, I will too. But I think that that's, I think you're spot on. I do believe that she has an agenda and that's what she's trying to do because she is in the comments. So well done there. But we get introduced to Willa, the healer.

We're not there yet. I'm going to ask you about it when we get there because leading up to that we get too close to the cliff for me. Fair, which also leads to a weird comment from Jesse. Too tantalizing. To jump or what? Yes, to jump. You have that weird thing when you want. walked to an edge of it with like a cliff you're like no if i have to go through a spiritual quest

you're gonna jump i i'd rather jump okay fair enough i got you i would probably just do the spiritual quest but whatever go back inside eat some food i don't we get a really sad scene with dody and luke she's peeing on the ovulation sticks to try to find her ovulation window which for her is very difficult to track it's not as consistent as she would like and so you get something sure isn't it crazy that we haven't gotten to a place in technology that like You still have to pee on sticks for pregnancy tests and stuff. I mean, there's other ways to do it, but they're like, blood work. Those are the most, like, easy ways.

What is lessened, like, that's the thing. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. What are you going to scan it with a? It's just like peeing on a stick is like, we still do that? You could say the same thing like with toilet paper. Like that, we are living in 2025 and we wipe our asses with tissue paper? Very good point.

I agree. I'm with you. You can't give you an alternative, but like, it's crazy that we're still there. Well, if you watch demolition, man, you just use the three seashells. That's a very good point. Yeah. You know, and I still don't know what those are for. You don't know what the three seychelles are?

Here's what I think. Everybody just acts like they know what they're doing. Here's what I think. They're just walking around poop. I mean, you're cleaning your butt with three. If you haven't watched demolition, you may have no idea what we're talking about, but it's the, it's just post-apocalyptic, like, utopian society, and all the bathrooms don't have toilet paper.

There's three seashells. And all the restaurants are Taco Bell. Every restaurant is Taco Bell, and the only music is jingles, like, ads from the 70s, 80s, 80s, and 90s. But to my knowledge, or my thought process of the three seashells, two are used to, like, pinch and pull, right? And then the last ones to, like, clean up the residue. You use the back side of it, like the top side.

No, no, no, you don't have to, because the two is like a, like, almost like a clam. Yeah, and you kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Like, get all the bulk, and then the third seashells to just get any remaining, like, to scrape. So bulk and then scrape. are the seashells replaced every time? It doesn't appear to be. No, because if you look at the seashells in the movie,

they're just like on a little... Or you do flush the seashells and they go back to the ocean where they're repurposed. How are they replenished? There's not a stack of seashells. There's literally only three. They could go down into like a sanitized thing and then pop back up for the next use,

but I don't want to use someone else's seashells. I agree. I'm going to go watch that again. That's a great fucking movie. What is that? Wesley Snipes? Yeah. I always get confused with Judge Dred. Yeah, yeah, it's because it's still similar.

Very similar. Very similar. But anyway, back to Doty and Luke. When she says, I hate my body, I felt so sad for her. And I just wanted to be like, it's okay, Doty, you're going to get pregnant soon. You're almost there. It's got to happen soon, too. It's got to be soon.

It might have... This is the end of July, so... It may have been when they point when they got there in the beginning. How much of a feel-good story with that. Right? And then you have that sad moment, but you're already pregnant. You just didn't know it yet. That'd be awesome.

But they do get pregnant, so that's all I wanted to say to her when this is how it's like, just hang on a little longer. I want to actually know now that you say that, like, if it was that encounter that they had, maybe. She's going to have to come out and say if it was. I mean, I'm sure we're not the only ones speculating on it. I guarantee you there's people messaging her, DMing her, commenting. Was that the one? Was that the one? God, hell invasive in reality TV.

It's crazy. It's fucking crazy. Like, I want to know too, but I'm not going to ask her. Yeah, I thought we could. I would feel, I don't think that's our business. You have her on for an interview. Yeah. I know.

Is that the time? Is that the one? I kind of want to ask. It's just, but not in like a mean way, obviously. It's just like I'm curious. If that was like, you know, she goes through that sad scene, but it's like you were already pregnant. You just didn't know it.

Like that'd be a really cool story. That would be really nice. When your investors, customers and workers demand more from your business, make it happen with SAP. The AI powered capabilities of SAP can help you streamline costs. Connect with new suppliers and manage payroll, even when your business is being polled in different directions. To deliver a quality product at a fair price, while paying your people what they're worth too, so your business can stay unfazed. Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty.

Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered. A cabana? That's a no, but a banana. That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. Nope. But a box fan? Happily, yes. A day of sunshine? No. A box of fine wines? Yes. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. This episode is brought to you by Mewmue Mew. Introducing Mutein, the new feminine fragrance by the iconic fashion house.

Mutein captures the youthful, unconventional essence of the Mewewew Girl. Brought to life by a Gormand. Intimate and enveloping scent of wild strawberry and brown sugar accords. Mutine is not a statement, but a knowing glance, a sweet rebellion, lighthearted and laced with wit, a gesture made for oneself. Discover the new fragrance, Mutine, now available in Canada. But anyway, we get Nia coming in to check on them, and I think that she's the best support system in this, because she had her own journey with getting pregnant and fertility as well. So she settles her down a little bit. She's like, I 100% believe it'll happen.

I'm like, it does happen. Just keep going. But we get Zach and Brittany because Zach's crying in his bedroom. And Brittany goes in and she's like, oh, my God, you're crying. And he's like, yeah, dude, what the fuck? He's like, you went to lunch and you told her everything. I said he feels betrayed by her. And I guess.

I love Zach for this, by the way. Which part? I give her a lot of leeway. All right, the Janet thing's over. I'm going to go cry because now I've got to deal with Brittany and Britney's like, what's going on? But again, that's the, goes off. But that was the main problem, I think.

I don't think that it was Janet-centric. I think it's been Brittany-centric the whole time. Yes, I fully agree with that. And I think that the way that all of, like, the repairs go for all of these friendships when it comes to Zach, it's important that the Janet chip was squashed before he talked to Brittany. I agree. Because if Janet's stuff was, look, let's just agree to disagree. We'll go our separate ways.

We don't have to be friends. And then he did this, it would have been a completely different thing. Well, then he loses Brittany, too, and now he has no friends. Exactly. So I do think that it would have gone a lot differently But I love Zach for this It's like you know what I'm done with that one now I gotta move on I gotta fucking clean up this mess

And you know in a confessional he's like I give Brittany a lot of leeway Because of what she's going through But she should know when I'm in that That mindset like I don't mean what I'm saying And I blacked out and I say some outrageous shit It's like well you shouldn't do that either But at the same time know that us at home We're watching this we know what Britney's going through

Yes we're also agreeing she's a terrible friend She's not a great friend It's always been a terrible. Yeah, she's two-sided when it comes to friendships. Like, we've seen it before. We'll see it again. And this is a great example of it. But if something horrible was said, I mean, that's where it gets kind of murky.

Because if he did say some, like, terrible shit and she felt an obligation to say it. It's still 50-50 for me. Like, the blackout, like, when he goes into his confessional and he's like, look, I was blacked out and she knows that's how I am. That's where it's like, yeah, but if it was really that bad, and we don't know verbatim what was said. But if it was really that bad, that is a toss-up. toss up. I can't point the finger either. Especially because Janet already knows that you said shit earlier because Michelle already spilled the beans to her.

So, like, there's a whole thing. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you'll ever know what's like. I'm sure they'll try to bring it up with the reunion, but we get to dinner and the healing ceremony. Now, Willa is a ceremonialist. She's a sacred photographer. I didn't know what that meant. That excited me. I have no idea what that means. Really like that. No idea what that means. Yeah, I'm not

into all this shit, but I like that photographer. I like Britney's idea. What's that? Just roll a fat joint and And everyone gets stoned. So, like, most relatable thing that she's ever said. Yeah. And, like, I'm pretty sure everyone would be giggling and they would have had a better time. In California, you can probably film it too.

So, like, that would be fun. It would be really funny to watch them just have, like, a fucking... I have a whole group to, like, take edibles and, like, go enjoy themselves. Right? I think that that would have been the move. That should have been what happened. I think that would have been a better move. But instead, we're going to get in touch with our heart centers.

Sure. And we have chunks of earth magic. Yep. This felt to me the most. over-the-top spiritual thing that we've witnessed. And I was curious about how you felt about it. Awful. As our resident spiritualist.

Speaking of, too, my brother texted me the other day, and he listens to our show, but he doesn't watch any of the shows. So he doesn't really know, but he texted me and goes, so there's a sound bath at my school tomorrow. Should I go? Fuck yeah. I said, no, absolutely not. What?

Here's my... Apparently, he's been the one before. He didn't know what it was called. He thought it was like something else. But once he found out that that's what we were talking about, he's like, oh, yeah, no, I don't have to go. He's not a sound bath guy? New. Here's my thing with everything, as you know, in the world.

Yeah. I don't think it's fair until you've tried something and actually tried it, not walked in with a chip on your shoulder like you would. It's fair for me to say, if you go do those things and you enjoy doing those things, I'm not going to call you an idiot, but I'm not going to go do it. See, that to me feels like no offense, but you're an idiot. I'm not going to be a fucking moron and go do that. There it is. But like, if you enjoy it, go ahead and enjoy it. Just don't force me to do it because. because I will be very unhappy. And that's why I said earlier, they did this too close to the cliff. As soon as she starts talking about earth magic

and hunks of whatever. Chunks of earth magic. And like, I would listen. I would laugh. I think Brittany was the one who was like, I'm going to have a hard, or was it Janet?

No, it was like, I have a hard time not giggling through these things. Janet did it. I've been like, God, was I wrong about Janet? Brittany said, yeah, I'm going to have a hard time with this. I'm going to laugh at these things.

I would listen to what she said and what we're going to be doing, but I'd be out right away. Yeah, I know you would. You would go inside, like, I need to pee. Oh, yeah. Or you just dive, I'm off the cliff, I guess. But I thought it...

I'm trying to safe way down. I'd be like I can get down here. You probably would. You would try, at least. I would get down there. One way or another. Gravity. I'm going to try to stand up.

My leg. It's broken. Anyway. I thought everyone's sentiment was actually pretty sweet. We had some good release and what was the other one, accepting and releasing, right? Whatever. but that's where you get this Jack's video diary where he's finding emotions he never thought he had and then you get Jack Taylor and I think I'd be a wonderful contest on the challenge yeah that's what

it felt like was a reality TV taping and he was like you know I hate that I'm here and she's out there and you know through sickness and health I'm sick she's not checking on me and like I realize I heard her and like there's a lot of anger and like this whole thing is Nolan void because of the behavior that we just witnessed and you texting her all day well he also started off by saying I've realized a lot and at first I didn't really want to be here but I did finally come to a point

that I accepted it and there's a lot of things that like I need to work on it I'm a work in progress of course he always fucking says that and then he doesn't take any accountability he puts it on Britney he puts it all on Britney

he hasn't learned anything at all but I'm not even to waste any more time why the fuck was that in there it's either A like you said earlier Britney pushed them to put it in there the producers put it in there because we need to see how much of a piece of shit he is

And like, we need to know this again. We already know this. Or it's him putting it in there because he's just illusional. I can see that. I think, I don't know which it is. I don't know. But I just don't care about it. No.

Like, this is all horses. We need a fucking, just give us an episode without Jacks, please. Yeah. Stop putting him in there. That's the thing. Again, he doesn't add anything to this episode. No. Nobody was like, oh, the scenes of Britney crying because Jacks's rage texting are interesting.

No, they're not. No, they're not. Oh, Jack's his confessional was interesting. No, it's not. So, like, again, you don't need him on this show. But Danny bounces in his Kelvin gemstone attire. He's got a voiceover in the morning. He's going to have a bad night the following night, right?

That's what this feels like. And I think that's why we got the foreshadowing of the Jasmine thing. Whether he does something that's like akin to what we've heard he did? That I don't know. I'm not sure about that. But yeah, he's going to black out. Yeah. It looks like he blacks out and falls asleep.

Yeah, which I hope that's all it is. I hope it's not anything worse given what he apparently does when he's blackout drunk. But we toss around the gratitude ball, which I noticed way earlier because Luke was carrying it around. It was in the room with them when they're talking about ovulating. I was like, what is this gratitude ball? And then we find out what the gratitude ball is. And we toss it around and Jesse goes and he's like, look, obviously this is a really toxic situation. But Isabella's thriving somehow and I'm grateful for that.

Michelle, your turn. Michelle only want to look at him. And I think that what this scene actually did. I think this was important, believe it or not. Because everyone's emotional about this whole thing. You know, he does make that one comment to Zach because Zach rolls his eyes at, not what Jesse said, by the way, but like at the passing of the ball to Michelle is when he rolled his eyes. I think he rolled his eyes when he said, you know, obviously I'm in a very toxic situation.

Is that when he did? I think that's when he did it. Either way. It's like, that's fair to roll your eyes at. Sure. Come on. Yeah. So he's like.

Just say that you're thankful for your daughter, too. Yeah, Zach's like, don't roll your eyes at Michelle. He did me. He's like, I didn't roll my eyes at Michelle. I rolled them at you, actually. standing on business which is fine for round two he wants to get thrown

into another wall it's just fucking weird to me that then he's like I'll bury that guy off the cliff right now I'm like Jesse relax bro settle the fuck down but what this scene did because Michelle's struggling

to find something to say and she comes up with a very genuine moment she's like deciding to have a child together was a grateful moment for me I think this scene painted a picture for both the cast and everybody at home that this is some real heavy shit.

This is not like a light thing because everybody on the cast is crying. I didn't cry. But I felt the weight of it, I guess, for the first time where you're like, oh yeah, there's a lot of shit going on here. I didn't feel the weight of it necessarily. I just felt the, okay, all the things

that you guys are just doing to each other, you guys are coming from a place of hurt for sure. Right. And then it was fucking hilarious. You're going to show us a montage of their matter. Oh, yeah. Like the happy moments? never been happy before.

They had never been happy married. Jesse was like, we traveled the world. We worked together. Now it's like, those aren't happy things. And like also, bro.

Traveling, sure, but like you traveled the world. Cool. That's awesome. Working together sucks. When we checked in last year, you guys hadn't been cool in years.

And I don't think you've been married that much longer than that. So yeah, I don't believe you. No. I don't believe that this was a happy situation. The bondage was hilarious. Yeah. Pictures of them in like Italy.

Yeah. And then like, quote unquote, happy. I don't know. But Jesse's like, know, there was a lot there and, you know, he gets emotional and walks away, not, not for the reasons that I thought.

I was like, oh, wow, maybe it's like, he's overwhelmed. He's like, fuck, this is a lot. And he needs to go inside and, like, settle down a little bit. No. Because Jason goes to check on him. And you hear from, like, the background, he's like, you ruin my fucking life. And he's getting mad. He's wearing a diaper.

Yeah. Which went viral, which is pretty fucking funny. And he's like, I'm going to drive home right now. Like, I'll fucking drive home right now. now, which is like sick, bro, you're threatening to drive drunk so your friend leaves you alone. Like, that's a really fucking bad look. And he's like, I'm fucking done.

Get these fucking cameras out of here, blah, blah, blah. He goes off. I was like, oh, wow, I thought the exact opposite. I thought he went inside to have like a breakdown. He's like, fuck, this is a lot. I think this was a Jesse breakdown. I agree. And I think that when his emotions come out too much, he gets mad at him.

You know, he's like, I'm not, I'm not a bitch. Yeah, I think he gets pissed at his emotion. Yeah, I do, too. Yeah, I think he was. It's not a pass. Genuinely feeling something during the spiritual quest. And he hated that. Vision Quest.

Vision Quest. And he hated that. So then he gets mad at other people. That makes sense. That makes sense. But yeah, it's, again, it's, I think that this scene and then that one after just shows you, like, this is reality TV, sure. But this is a pretty, pretty hairy situation that they're in. Yeah.

But let's get to some questions. First up here from K. NordQuest, 0909. Do you think Brittany is a loyal friend? No. definitely not no i think she's a fair weather friend i'm not i'm not gonna downplay where she's going i'm still team brittany as far as like the jack stuff goes but we've seen a history even in last season last season of the valley go back and watch the first three episodes she throws people under the bus constant from ken's young is zach okay

he needed an emotional support handhold at a motorboat after those talks hey you leave him alone yeah i love zach nothing wrong with me yeah who wouldn't want a motorboat after an emotional Is he kidding me? Gay straight, it doesn't matter. From Daria PNG. Did Zach bring Nia into the convoy to have a witness? No, that genuinely felt like a moment where he's like, I don't want this to go south because we've made some kind of progress.

I feel myself getting too emotional. I might say some off-color shit. So let me bring somebody else in. So there's a third party here, so I don't go off the rails. And she'll hold my hand and make me feel better. Yeah. Because they, look, the end of the day, they got to the conclusion. but let's move on.

So whether that took Nia being there or not, I thought it was a mature move where it's kind of funny where he needs to hold somebody's hand to do it. But at the same time, like it was a check where it's like timeout, Nia helped me. I think it was just to calm him down.

From M. Woodward, why does it seem like Zach always has to walk on eggshells around these people? That's a good point. It is a really good point. It seems like other people in this group get away with murder. Yeah.

And Zach does things. And again, you know, We're not really sure exactly what he said, but it seems like for even other reasons. He's held to a different standard. Yeah, and I don't really understand why. I don't know. You could say maybe the other cast members were closer before.

Maybe he's, like, newer to these friendships or something. I don't know, but that is a really good point. That's valid. There's a couple of comments in here from Gina Beena in 1973. How are we feeling about Jesse after the episode? It's great for TV. What do you want from him? Star of the show.

I dismiss myself from this question. And then the last one here, this is a really good question. I'm saving it for last from Pretty Ricky 22. Nice name. Do you think Janet is more willing with Kristen and Zach to get fan approval? That goes to your theory. Yeah, I think that there's definitely some merit to that. I would take it even a step further and kind of, because I feel like that's kind of where this conversation is going.

Do you think that the conversation with Zach, because you referenced a chess piece earlier, is so that she can move to the Kristen conversation on better footing. Perhaps, and like, you know, again, my theory was based on before I knew that there was more said. Yeah. But I never ever take what Janet says without a grain of salt because I saw how she moved all last year. Yeah. I don't trust her. And this could be some big play to just move people in a certain place because she is that way.

She does try to move. He also may have been looking at it wrong last year when, like, obviously, anytime that she was involved in anything, it was like, oh my God, I'm pregnant. I can't do anything. It's like, okay. This year, I'm like she can't use that excuse anymore. It seems like she's not. It seems like she might be more willing to get into the shit and maybe use those chest pieces to her advantage. That's kind of what I think she's setting pieces up in case or she has a master plan. And look, if she doesn't, I will eat my words. Just this the whole season? That's fine. That would be great. Yeah, I have no issues there. And I'll eat my words right now. But I always, I'm always skeptical. Yeah, I mean, you can't. It's only four.

episodes in. We had a whole season last year. Isn't that crazy? It feels like this show has been on for fucking a year. Yeah, definitely. Not a bad way. Emotionally, we've been through it. Yeah. Jacks. That's a roller coaster. But great show. Great show. Great show. But you got anything else? No, that's our show. Bro's got to go. American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences, decades, or even hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials, and the escape attempts from Alcatraz, of bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like

the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, killers of a flower moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the south, to mobsters in Chicago in New York, to arsonists, kidnappers, and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find infamous America, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the LA Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from the league, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award

role in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives. Yeah, like, Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old. Let's not forget that Paul thinks that Dude, too, is overrated. It is. Anyway, despite this, we come together to host Unspooled, a podcast where you talk about good movies, critical hits.

Fan favorites, must-season, and Casey Mistoms. We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night. We've done deep dives on. popcorn flicks. We've talked about why Independence Day deserves a second look. And we've talked about horror movies, some that you've never even heard of like Ganges and Hess. So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcast.

And don't forget to hit the follow button.