Bros & Shows - Jen Pedranti: Housewife of the Year? (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

What's up Bros?! The OC crew is still across the pond and the trip isn't going how Shannon had hoped. Heather and Tamra have continued to team up and go after her. Heather's involvement at this juncture is beyond confusing. Gina questions why Heather is taking things personally in saying Shannon used her and lied. It has nothing to do with her... Shannon starts to play defense and after learning how iphones work, she pulls up some old texts from Tamra in regards to Jenn. She also let's it slip that she heard Heather had called Tamra to talk trash about the dress Jenn recently purchased. However, once again, she is not spending her own money. She is spending Ryan's money. Why this is still an issue is beyond us. It appears that the group is beginning to grow tired of both Tamra and Heather's antics. Gina calls out Heather for being a hypocrite when it comes to feelings and arguments. And we get to see the full transformation of Jenn into one of the better housewives we've seen in a very long time. After hearing that Tamra got a background check on Ryan two years ago, she finally snaps. She lets Tamra have it for all of the talking behind peoples backs, all of the shady moves she's made and her overall act towards everyone and everything. She voices what a lot of us are feeling about Tamra and to see her come into her own this season has been a treat to watch. Once again, RHOC continues to deliver on all fronts and we could not be happier. Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to receive exclusive weekly episodes featuring a Bravo News recap, monthly community zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up. thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by... the one and only shooter Magooter. That's it. No nickname because we're back in the studio bro. I know, but usually you say, what's up? I thought you would just take it.

Because I was expecting a reaction of taking abackness because I said your actual name. Well, not really. I said your actual nickname. You just kind of looked at me. Because I thought you're going to be like, wow. You can look at me dead in the eyes now, so you're like, I'm just going to look at you. Yeah, because it's been a minute. We haven't been back in the studio in a long time because of the baby.

Because of the baby. We've been doing remote until Scott. his immune system caught up. We wanted her to be safe, so no one was allowed in the house. It was like a fortress of solitude. Yep. But you're not allowed to touch her yet, but you're allowed to be here. Shooter met my daughter, finally.

I sure did. We welcomed another brav bro. Brof bro. Yeah. Brof brah, bro. No, bro. Look, we're all bros. We're all bros.

We're all bros. We're all bros. We're all encompassing. So, yeah. I mean, brav baby sounds funnier, but, you know. No, braf baby is actually perfect. Brof baby's kind of on the nose. We need to make.

those bibs. We should have gotten broth baby. We have a long list of t-shirt ideas, and now we're starting to do baby stuff. We have a lot of merchandise that has not been created, but it is on back order. Yeah. I think it's a lot of shit. We come up with a lot of stuff that we don't make. Somebody needs to, like, keep a running tally of all of these things because we're not.

No, absolutely not. We've thought of a lot of t-shirt ideas. We're now on to baby clothes. What do you think we have more of? T-shirt ideas or words that should be words? Oh, that we want to get in the dictionary? Probably that, but you could say that they're one and the same because you could put those words on shirts and sell them. Words on shirts.

Words on shirts. That's the name of our company. And I also don't remember what the words that we came up with are. No, no. So that's also a problem. We'll say them again, though. Yeah, we'll find them. But we're here to talk about Rosie, one of the spicier seasons, and it has delivered.

And it's, look, it's an emotional roller coaster. One minute you're happy. one minute you're mad, then you're kind of sad, and then you're mad again. I'm mad a lot. Us? I'm mad a lot. I'm just enjoying it. I'm not even mad about anything anymore because I feel like at this point, we know what

everybody's doing. So, like, I'm not actually getting mad about it. I'm just thoroughly enjoying it. I'm not notebook toss mad. Yeah. I'm just, it's frustrating to watch the same hullabaloo over and over again. Well, this was a good payoff episode, though. This was a good payoff episode.

It's still irritating to watch. the payoff transpire because Tamara can't shut up and just take it? Well, we knew that that was going to, that's what I'm saying. You know that's going to happen. So if you just accept that that's going to happen, you're still going to enjoy it and you can just focus on the Jen. I enjoyed it. I just, you know, it gets a little rise out of it.

Well, you know what got a rise out of me is Heather in that scene. Oh, she had a tough episode. Not Tamara, because I expected Tamara to do that. That's a good point. I didn't really expect. Now Heather goes to her confessionals and she's somewhat praising Jen. But in the moment, she's not doing much. She's still very much on Tamara's side.

the shock and awe and how dare you talk to Tamara like that. Relax. Where did this come from? I don't know what the I really have no idea. I didn't want to curse right there. Your baby's a room away. That's so nice. She's asleep. I don't know what the fuck Heather's doing. I really don't. I am

scratching my head almost every scene now with Heather. And as more details come out from what we watched last week, which we get a little bit more information on this week, it just doesn't make any sense. I've always pegged Heather to be this. I'm better than all of you person who really

doesn't get down and dirty who doesn't really care and we've all kind of accepted it and she's been able to collect a paycheck while doing that and she has some fun moments you know we always point to the moments that she has with Terry because we like when Terry's there it's a good fun time usually there's a lot going on in her life

where she's moving and we get to see all the gaudy stuff that they can afford because she's rich as shit which is fun and that is pretty much her character on this show that's the role that she needs to do so when she does stuff like this I'm just confused and it keeps going and now we're two two episodes deep but it feels like she's been doing this whole season it's weird it's very weird and like you said the era of i'm better than

everybody usually keeps her away from the trivial shit because it's beneath her and it does usually play because it's also an easy out it's like i don't want to deal with this uh this is beneath me bye bye it's it's so strange to watch her get involved in this manner where it's team tamera it's like tamara's like tamara's team heather heather's team tamra yeah i guess like if she finally just threw in the towel and said, you know what, I'm not going to sit here and watch you go after Shannon all the time because it's annoying me. It would be

one thing, but teaming up with Tamara is bizarre. It's bizarre. It's really weird, and we'll get more into that, obviously, with the specifics. But look, what can we really say about this season? Quite the turnaround. We say it every time, and I'm not taking it for granted. No, I am definitely not taking it for granted. We don't get this all the time.

We hated OC last year. So for us to be this enthralled with it this year is great. It's great. I'm enjoying the season. I'm glad that people are standing up to Tamara. So, all in all, it's been a really good payoff. It's been building up. It's a great payoff, so you're right. It's just interesting

to watch. I didn't think I would see this version of Heather. Yeah. And it's been two episodes now, and like you said, it feels like it's been going on the entire season. I don't care for it. I don't care for it. I don't care for it at all. What a weird thing to do? I'm going to jump on Tamara's team. She seems like she's killing it. Yep. Not really. But anyway, why don't we jump into the episode?

And we start out with Emily and Shannon, and they're just doing a recap of the dinner. And this sums it up for me, at least on her side of things. She's just done talking about it. And she's like, I plan that this is my trip. I'm not having fun. I don't want to go sit on a double deck or bus with these two idiots because they just berated me last night out of nowhere. I get that. And she's trying to have a good time on this trip.

She says over and over again. I don't want to do this. anymore. I don't want to talk about this. I don't want you guys to stop bringing it up. Why is it always talked about behind my back? She just wants to move on. Tamara can't find anything else to talk about. And now, Heather, for whatever reason, has a bug up her ass still about the Jeff Lewis thing. Let the Jeff Lewis podcast go. I don't understand what was so bad about that episode. Is she not allowed to speak on her own behalf? And she didn't even say anything contradictory. All she said was, I don't remember. Because she didn't want to talk about it.

And the worst part of all of this is going to Tamara's confessional saying that Shannon's just going to regroup and she's going to spin this in a different way and she's going to come up with new answers and she's going to make Heather look bad. Heather explained more as to why she was upset about it, which looks worse for Heather because it still makes zero sense and it makes even less sense that it did before. Shannon's point of view is, I told you that in confidence. And we talked about this last week when you do something on the show, you understand that that's not going to come out for. for like six to eight months probably. So you do have a time frame that you can kind of like regroup and figure it out. And obviously a lot of this, like the lawsuit and stuff, might be dead by then. So who knows?

When you go on the radio show, you have to talk about it then and there. And it's going to create sound waves. It's going to create all these little clips that people can put on social media. You talking about something that is ongoing currently. So there is a big difference there. And I like the way that Shannon portrays this because she just says, I didn't want to talk about it. I talked to you about it because you're my friend. and your confidant, and I was feeling a certain type of way at that moment when we were in

Sonoma, makes a lot of sense to me, I talked to you about it because I wanted to let you know how I was feeling, and it was a moment of weakness, I showed you the picture, I told you what happened, and we discussed whether or not John had heard the crash and how crazy it was. At that point in time, yeah, I hadn't really thought about it. What do you want me to do, go on Jeff Lewis and have that entire conversation over again? No, that would be even worse. Then I would be like, all right, yeah, Heather has a point. maybe at some point

I don't even know if I would agree but there's more of a point to be had there if she had done that she doesn't want to get into all of that because John is suing her John is going on social media and defaming her you've got a Lexus up her ass all the time talking about how bad of a person she isn't threatening to break out videos of course she's not going to talk about it in the then and now

but she'll let it play out for like six to eight months and see what happens when it comes out on TV so I just don't understand any of it I don't either and I'll play devil's advocate for a second because the Shannon move of old, she'd go home, get a little tipsy, make a couple of phone calls, airing out her grievances of something that's going on in her life, stuff that she says,

don't tell anybody else about this, and then goes on to tell other people about it. Right, we saw it last season, we've seen it in the past, that's her M.O. Let's play devil's advocate and say that she did that. Okay? She told Heather, don't tell anybody about this, but she's also telling other people about it.

This was not a damning secret that she was telling Heather. She was telling Heather, hey, this is something that really upset me. Look at this picture. It's very disturbing to me. I keep it and I look at it sometimes to remind myself or whatever the fuck she keeps it for. In the moment that she was breaking down to Heather, she wasn't declaring anything that we didn't already know. She was questioning whether or not John Jansen heard the crash. That's not a secret that she's not telling it.

It's not like she called and aired out some dirty laundry that doesn't want to be aired out, right? she confided something in you that she could also confide in other people and maybe she said to you like don't tell anybody else about this because she wants to have these individual conversations but again it's not like she dropped some massive rumor like she did in the past when she's calling people in drunk dialing she told you something that was upsetting to her and asked you some questions about it and got your take and your feelings on it but it's not the same so for them them being Heather and Tamara to take this and compare it to what she used to do. It's not the same thing. And then the fact that I heard Jeff Lewis's name once again and reference to the podcast, I'm like, why are we still talking about that? That was not a lie. She didn't want to address it on the podcast. Can we move on from this, Heather? It's not landing. I don't know what you expected from this, but it's a big whiff. It's just a very easy explanation. That's it. If I bring this up and insinuate that he's a terrible person by not coming out because he heard the car crash, he could look at that as me disparaging him

and then sue me even more or something else maybe he's going to build up some slander case who the fuck knows what this guy's capable of he's a terrible person so if I'm Shannon yes I'm not going to talk about it live while things are going on especially because it's upsetting

so yeah it's very easy to explain I don't understand where Heather's coming from I don't either makes no sense but we had Tamara with Katie I'm confused at Katie I don't know where she's going and I don't know if she knows where she's going I think she's just floating

She's floating. I took this as she's just going with the flow. I don't hate it. No, I don't hate it at all. She's just getting some information, I feel like, because at this point, she didn't do anything in this scene that stood out to me as Team Tamara, nor did she really do anything that stood out to me as Team Shannon. But she did say one thing that was important when Tamara was building up this, you know,

Shannon just wants everybody to feel bad for her and play the victim. Katie did say, I do feel bad for her. That was the only thing that, like, indicated to me where she is. the rest of it, I'm pretty sure she's just doing a scene with Tamara and just, you know, growing, maybe spreading her wings. Spreading her wings a little bit, getting comfy. The funny thing is when she goes, I feel bad for Shannon, Tamara takes that as like confirmation. She's like, see, that's what she does. It works.

Or you can just feel bad for her. Look at the situation and feel a little empathy, just a touch. You don't know what that is, though, according to your most recent posts in social media, you're incapable of recognizing empathy due to your spectrum diagnosis from one therapy session. but they keep talking shit or it's more tamera and then katie is doing the kind of she's not agreeing but she's repeating things to further the conversation yeah exactly just get a little bit more we know the move yeah it's a great move but i'm so sick of the finance talk where she's talking shit about shannon's finances like oh she lives out of her means and this and that if she could she would just pay the 75 are we it's very confusing because no one addresses it either on screen

Yeah. Even Shannon doesn't when they say it to Shannon. That's what I mean. You offered the 75K plus a non-disparagement agreement. Right. So I don't get why that's not immediately. This has been brought up this episode three or four times. Heather brings it up. Tamara brings it up multiple times.

Emily brought it up too. Emily brings it up. Did we all forget that she offered the money? Is the timeline fucked up? Did they go on the trip before those episodes? I don't think so. So why is this never addressed? I'm so confused.

by the whole thing because we heard her say I offered the full amount all he had to do was sign this piece of paper and he said no so we keep going back to she can't afford it it's tacky she should just pay it and let it go away all of these excuses to to make this be over with but once again it was offered is it that crazy for her to want to give him almost a hundred k almost a six figure payoff yep and all she wants in return is like hey this you can't talk shit about me anymore that why are we glossing over this? I don't know why and again I don't know why Shannon isn't

and maybe Shannon's just at her wits end from trying to answer questions when these people are just throwing things at her over and over and over again which she's just trying to have a nice little birthday trip it's her birthday trip let's not forget about that but yeah we have to tear her down the entire time I'm just as confused as you are though I don't get it

because every time it's brought up I don't know why one person in that group doesn't say she did offer the full amount So she has it. And now we're going down the same road that we went down with Jen, where Jen was being evicted. We're comparing finances from other people. And it's just, it's annoying. It's messy. I don't get it.

But Jen and Gina are talking about the text. So we now have this, by the way, this first whatever was a nightmare for me. Because it was Jen and Gina, then back to Tamara and Katie. And then it was back to Jen and Jen and Jen and it was to Shannon and Emily. And I was just like, boop, boom, jump back and forth. I was taking side notes for my notes. I have parentheses everywhere. It's a disaster.

But amongst this triple juxtaposition scene, a triple a position. You could have just left it at that. Yeah, that's cool. Jen and Gina are discussing the text that we found, like, it actually is a smoking gun, and it works. We usually get, quote, unquote, smoking guns that don't land. This one actually lands, and it proves that Tamara knows that Shannon is telling the truth. And it's confusing, and Jen and Gina both point out. If you know this to be true, you are so quick to jump to Alexis's defense.

Why does Shannon not get the same grace? Why are you just not acknowledging? How can you sit across the table from her knowing the truth? And yet you don't say anything. And that just shows you that she has a vendetta. This is her storyline. She came into the season with this idea. Will not let it go despite the evidence, which is frustrating.

Like, here's the evidence. We got it. We got you. Smoking gun. And it's not just a text that went to Shannon. Shannon also has the receipt of sending it to Tamara. Yes. And Tamara's nonchalant answer of, oh, yeah, she has your number, not mine.

I never got that text. I never got that text. Which is also expecting that text. Okay, but now you know. Like, she didn't get that text. She knew it before, but now there's proof that you know. Right. So I don't understand.

You're just acting like it's not a big deal anymore. It doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. But Heather, Emily, and Shannon, we discussed this a little bit in the beginning, but this is where Shannon is saying this was supposed to be. between you and I, and then you went out and told people, Heather's like, Tamara already knew. I'm like, okay, but knew what? That John may have heard the crash, like Shannon may have mentioned that.

Again, why is that? What is the secret? It's not a secret, really. This is just more evidence that could potentially point towards John Jansen. But again, she's not disparaging people on the phone, drunk dialing you. So what did Tamara know? Why is it immediate deflection from her? Why can't she just sit there and listen and hear?

hear what she's saying and understand. I've gotten to the point with Heather where it's just frustrating to watch at this point because the lack of any accountability and the fact that she can't just sit down and listen without responding in a condescending fashion that makes her look like she's not the bad guy in the moment. I get really confused in all of these scenes too just because somewhere in the middle of this when Shannon and Heather are going back and forth, Emily tells Shannon to stop talking so that she can let Heather talk.

I feel like Heather said enough Why are we doing this? And also, I get it if you guys are kind of done with dealing with Shannon and how she responds to this where she gets up and walks away, fine. Stop bringing it up. If you guys are just completely done with all of this

and you're fed up, then stop bringing it up. If it's going to end the same way because Shannon is going to act the same way, stop bringing it up. It's pretty simple to me. There is enough, and this isn't one of those seasons where there just isn't anything to talk about and you guys are just hammering something home

that we don't need to hammer home, there is a lot going on. There is so much going on that you guys can squash this pretty quickly, let Shannon live for at least a week or two without talking about this, for the love of God, for our sake, and move on to something else

that's going on within your own group. Please. That's going on within London that you guys can talk about and debrief from, and that would be more enjoyable because then at least we can just bounce back and forth and things don't get too tired.

I'm ready for the Jen and Tamership. Yeah. That's great. Keep that going. I'm done with the, Shannon stuff. Yep. It's not fun to watch anymore.

It's like beating a dead horse after you've already beaten a dead horse. Yep. You bury the horse, okay? It's time to bury the horse. By the way, John Jansen probably heard that dead horse. Yeah, John Jansen, he heard you beating the horse. He probably killed the horse. Yeah, and he didn't do anything about it.

What an asshole. But can we get in trouble for saying that? I don't think so. Because that's not real. It's a figure of speed. Yeah, come on. I did laugh out loud when Shannon pulls out the receipt. only because all I could think about was dumb and dumber.

Yeah. Or he opens the briefcase and he's going through it. He's like, what is this? Like those are perfectly good IOUs. 300,000. This is going to hang on to that one. But that's not damnifying proof. You should have some legal documents or like an example.

I'm sure she has. Like she must have gotten those numbers. They were very specific numbers. It's very funny. She's probably on her bank account going through her history, writing things down on a piece of paper. If you print that out and then. then also have an Excel spreadsheet, you'd be okay enough, but yeah, I do agree. Heather said you can't walk into a courtroom like that. Please don't. You will look disheveled and immediately

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Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol and select markets. Product availability may vary by Regency App for details. Back to Jen and Gina. They're talking about Heather and the fact that Heather felt used by Shannon and both of them are like, that's really confusing. This has nothing to do with her. I don't know why she keeps getting involved with this shit.

And Gina takes a step further with the mammogram thing because we had questions about that as well. It was a very confusing reaction from Heather when she got upset about nobody asking her. We also could understand why that would garner that reaction. That makes sense. We get more on it, though. There was a text. I don't know if it was beforehand. I'm not sure with the timeline, I believe it was before, where Heather references her family

history and potentially having a higher risk and says, I don't want to talk about it. She claims HIPAA. Is that what the text said? Well, that's how she explained it later, yeah. Oh, my God. She claims I can't have my family's medical history out there on camera. That's not how HIPAA works. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that's how HIPAA works.

No, you can a thousand percent just say I have a history within. my family of breast cancer, or at least complications, and that's it. Yeah, I don't think that's against HIPAA. Yeah, definitely not. But also, don't you have to be a doctor to HIPAA? Yeah, I think so. Or in the medical field. Probably.

We, not doctors. I didn't take the Hippocratic Oath. I can do whatever I want. Yeah, I'm not a hypocrite. Yeah. What? Does that have anything to do with hypocrite? Hypocratic Oath?

Probably. Are we really making ourselves sound stupid right now? Yeah. Should we move on? Yeah. Should probably move on. Yeah. we find out that there's been some shit talking about Jen's dress and I guess Heather saw it in Nordstrom and decided that in that moment she needed to call Tamara and ask the question, should Jen really be buying a $2,000 dress?

And the only question I had is, are we really going back to this? Have we not figured out that she's using Ryan's money, which Ryan's okay with. This is how their relationship works. also Heather not to play this game not to be this guy not to be that guy do you not use Terry's money

yeah because you're married and because Ryan's a little bit sketchier and they're not married that's all I can think of that's all I'm saying I just don't understand

why are we doing this like I care why am I again now this is what the third fucking episode where I'm on Ryan's side Ryan's making me I know stop doing this I don't like him

because I like his response of, yeah, you know what, you're not just going to wear it one time for a $2,000 dress, like maybe these other women might do with their husband's money, with Emily, with your family, or your husband's family money, of course, you can get more use out of this, wear it to this wedding, wear it to this, and then it'll be worth it. Makes a lot of sense, Ryan. And it's my dime. By the way, I'm paying for it.

Jen is not paying for any of this shit. She might be paying for her hair and makeup at this point, but that's probably it. Maybe some things for the kids. Look, she's not paying rent. She's not living on the streets right now. She's in a very nice home getting taken care of, and so are her kids. So why are we so hung up on it? I don't know.

It's got to just be because they don't trust Ryan, and this is their way to get to that without specifically saying, we don't trust Ryan. You should understand where that money is coming from. But Jen must all know. I bet Tamara's already talked to them about everything that happened, and they're just playing dumb on camera. Without a doubt. Yeah.

Jen knows how they feel it. It's not a secret. Yep. Everybody knows how other people feel about Ryan. Okay. We all talk about it. It's all over social media. There's been question mark since the guy came on the screen. And yes, he's entwined in whatever's going on with this legal battle. We don't know the ins and outs of it. An all champion, Shohei Otani, potential world series champion. Do your own research. But my point is, this is no news to anybody. Why are we still talking? Plenty of housewives in the past have had horrible spouses. that people don't question and they don't say where'd you get that dresser you're not working right now leave it alone just leave it alone it's so tired happy just fucking leave her alone also just such a nice

person just leave her alone she is genuinely a nice person back to katy and tamra finishing up their chit chat and i love that tamra does this heather does this as well they're similar in that regard when they're called out on some shit or they're bringing up a topic such as jan and ryan jan in the dress, the FBI thing. Tamara brings up the FBI again. She should stop saying FBI on camera. I don't think it's going to bode well for her, especially now that she's got a lot of shit coming on her. But every time that they get questioned, Heather and Tamara, I'm worried about her. I want her to be okay. She is a grown-up. Granted, learning how to take care of herself, but admittedly so, that's the best part about Jen. She's very forthcoming with that information.

She says, I'm kind of a disaster at 40-whatever. I'm trying to get my life together. And at the same time, telling my kids, don't be like me. Get your shit together now. She's doing all the right stuff. Yet we keep trying to kick her down this hill, and I don't get it, only because you don't like Ryan. But again, you're not all that close anyway. Heather, you're not that tight with Jen.

So why the fuck do you care? Tamara, you only brought her on the show because you wanted to tear her down. Why do you care still? Is it because you want to bang Ryan? That's all I'm getting from this now. Spicy. I'm just saying the obsession over this guy, it's like, do you want to bang him? that's all I can think of now.

It is bizarre, and I think you can apply the same thing to what she's doing to Shannon. Yes. What does that have to do with any? Like, why do you continue to do this? I think it distracts her from her own miserable life. And she just sits there and says she's doing it out of a place of love. She's doing it on a place of caring.

You're not. You're doing it for a storyline on a TV show that is your entire life. We called you out for this last week. You're a loser. Your entire life is this TV show and your stupid podcast. Yep. That's all you care about. You don't care about your family life.

You don't care about your actual life. You live in this. fantasy world where these two things are the only things that matter, and you make sure that everything revolves around that, and you will burn friendships, you'll burn family friendships, you'll burn whatever the fuck you want to just make sure that it's good TV, and everybody hates you. Yes. Everybody hates you.

There are a few people that stand up for you, and I don't understand them. We should have them checked as well. But you personally, Tamara, you're a terrible person and you're a loser. It was refreshing to hear Gina, of all people, coming around because Gina was the first one to go after Jen and her finances, and even Gina has gotten to the point now where she's like, look, at the end of the day, I recognize that Ryan's taking care of Jen. At this point, yeah, let's clean our hands of it. Like, he is what he is, but he doesn't have to let your kids come in and live with him. He's doing, God damn it. He's doing good things for Jen. He's doing good

things. Is it with bad money? Potentially. But that's not for us to say. That's for the court of law. Also, I love it. I know we'll get there. I love everybody's description of how book he's Tamara talking in this situation, too. Oh, my God. Like, the casinos are, like, flying them out. That's what they do with high rollers. I literally wrote down. That's legal.

That's just gambling. If you... They go to the Bahamas all the time. There's a casino down there. Yeah. That's where they go. High rollers, get flown out. They stay at the hotel for free. It's called comping.

This is all very legal and all very normal. So you are correct in the sense that there is something sketchy going on there, but your explanation is hilarious because it's all the legal shit. Yes. Now, if they're in a back room, taking illegal bets as a sports book that is not a licensed sports book in Nevada, that is where you'd run into a column. When they're not a bank. Correct. Now we're running into some issues.

What you've described is gambling, which is legal in most states now. Which is being good at gambling, actually. And by the way, they're getting comped and flown out because they probably spend a shitload of money at the casino. So, yeah, the lack of understanding of what makes it illegal. legal was very funny because they didn't even describe a bookkeeping business or bookmaking business. But we get to a double-decker bus, which you know what, pissed me off a little bit. How come? Because now everyone can have fun.

Now we're not going to talk about I'm not a tourist. I'm not going to wear the bucket hat and take a picture. But you're on a double-decker bus wearing a tiara going, woo, London, which I love, by the way. Lean into it. It's fine, yeah. Lean into being a tourist sometimes is kind of fun. Have some fun. Yeah, have some fun.

But no one says shit about it this time. They're all having a blast in the double deck. They didn't have the hats on. Is it just the hats? Just the hats. All right, that's fair. But this question from Gina, though, it peaked my interest as well. Okay.

Where is Little Ben? There's Big Ben. That's a good point. Is there a little Ben? Or is it just Big Ben because it's a big clock? I get it. But is it derived from a smaller Benjamin? No, no, no.

I'm pretty sure Big Ben came first. There might be a little Ben, though. What came first, big or little Ben? That's true. That's the chicken of the. the egg scenario. Is there a little Ben? We need to know now.

Because it came out as a Gina question. I'm like, how Gina be in Gina? And I'm like, well, actually, I want to know if there's a little Ben. I could see maybe a shop in the bottom of Big Ben that sells little Ben's. We can buy Little Ben's? If they're not doing that or some kind of pastry called a little Ben at Big Ben, you're missing out. I'll be in London in a little while.

So I'll go and let me know. Yeah. Just go on. Sorry, guys, I have to cut this off early. I need to go find Little Ben by myself. I'll go up to the tour guide and Dead Series be like, I'm not taking the tour. Just one quick question.

Where's Little Ben? You know I'm not taking that tour. Yeah, I know you're not. Just ask that. Is there a pub at the top? No. I'm not going to. Yeah.

But I need you to ask that dead series. I will. I appreciate that. I know you will too, which I appreciate. But the mammogram issue comes up. And Gina points out the text and how it's confusing. that you told us not to talk about it. Then you got mad at us for not talking about it.

But when you were getting your mammogram, we heard the cheering and we're like, oh, yay. And literally they say, oh, yay. So it's not that they're not happy for you. No, and we talked about it last week, too. Nobody actually came out and said what happened. They all brought it up on their own behalf. They brought it up on their own behalf. No one was asked anything.

So you sitting there and waiting to be asked after already sending a text saying you don't want to talk about it on camera is very confusing. it's very confusing and if you would just said something plain maybe you know the day after or sent a text saying hey guys I'm a little hurt that nobody asked me fine but you waited for the cameras to start rolling which is what you're mad at Shannon for

so everything about this is entirely wrong the entire situation here with Heather makes zero sense and it's so hypocritical not hypocritical maybe it is hypocritical because it has to do with medical information we're getting just too layered now I'm lost I'm

I'm panicking. I'm having a panic attack. I don't know what to do. She did too much. What I do with my hands? Reel it in. Oh, God. I reel it back in. But none of it really makes any sense.

She is just, I don't even want to call it messy because what Gina does is messy. Heather's is just clumsy. Climsy. Or I don't know. I just don't know what she's trying to do. At least we can figure out what people are trying to do most of the time. This one doesn't make any sense. You're just trying to like step up to the plate and like get involved in the show?

I don't know because this is. It's not a good way to do it. And this is what drives me nuts with Heather is when they start getting into a little bit, she goes, oh, my God, you brought it up today. I was done with it last night. You don't dictate when things are finished. I love that move. I don't need more.

I used to love it. And now it just gets frustrated because she does it every time. I'm done with this. Great. They're not. Why do you keep bringing it up? I was done with it last night. They're not done with it.

Gina would like to talk about it some more. And my biggest problem from all of that is Heather finally saying, this is just exhausting that we're still talking. about this. This is what you do. Then Tamara chimes in and goes, it is exhausting. Like, oh, no, no, no, no. We are not doing this. Get off. You actually should be on the lower deck. Yeah, but it's reserved to be up here. You should be. You know what? You should sit in that little, like, they always had the little stool next to the driver, you know? It's like that extra seat. You should sit there. I'm thinking of airplanes. I might be thinking of airplanes. You might be thinking of airplanes. You're a jump seat. Damn. There's got to be a jump seat on a double deck or bus. I refuse to believe there's not. No, they're definitely. Like a little helper. Like, when I'm I worked for UPS one off season. I had to drive in the truck.

I would sit on the little seat in the other side. Uh-huh. Yeah. And I drove a golf cart. That was a good time. I did appreciate what. Gina made a comparison, and I didn't know where she was going with it,

but I need to give her props because it landed. It actually worked because she brings up when Heather was on watch what happens live. And she brings up something that happened a long time ago. I remember, I watched this one live, actually. And Andy says, or the question is, who do you think house would sell for the least amount of money? And he says, Gina. And it wasn't even in a shady way.

I think it's simply her house would be the least expensive house. At the time, yeah. But, you know, she didn't feel great about it. And Heather didn't say much about it, but it was similar to the Jeff Lewis thing. It wasn't like she, or when we saw, I guess that was Aaron on Jeff Lewis. I'm thinking of her. That was Aaron on Jeff Lewis, yeah. But regardless, it wasn't her, she didn't come to her defense, but she didn't opt in either.

She was just kind of like whatever about it. Yeah. but Gina was upset that she was complacent. Okay, fine. I thought it was weird. I'm like, all right, well, now you're just bringing up shit from the past, but she brings it full circle and says, my point being, that pissed me off, but I let it slide. I wasn't going to bring it up now because it's whatever.

Like, can you not do the same? But why is this mammogram thing coming back up? That's when we're hit with it. This is exhausting. I was like, no, she, for once, Gina did it. She connected it. She finished a thought. Right. That's the problem is usually she stops early.

And then we're saying. stuck sitting here like, Gene of what are you doing? Why would you bring that up? It was years ago. It was a year ago, whatever it was. You don't bring that up now and just say, yeah, I'm mad about this still. No, you actually finished your thought and came full circle.

The problem is Heather's not going to hear that. She's done. She's over this. She's over all of this. Everybody else is going to sit there and be like, oh, that actually makes sense. Good job, Gina. It was a good point. I was like, wow, you did it and you got no credit.

So here's your credit. Here's your flowers. But while they're all gallivanting around London and the, you know, the exceptional food scene that they have there. We get the old school photo. It's a tutor picture, which is fun. Do you have any of those? No.

Old Western timey guys? You never done one of those? I think my, I think my family did one before I was born, because there is a picture floating around my family. But you're not in it? That wasn't that yet, no. Is that upsetting to you?

Should we do one? Yeah. A bravo, so that'd be our new, like, I was going to say album cover. Like, we're a fucking band. Our new podcast podcast cover, yeah. Yeah, well, me and you and old Western garb with no explanation as to why.

So new listeners be very confused. Yeah. Okay, cool. But Gene is on a role because she points out Heather's coming in harsh and she's confused by it.

A lot of people are confused by it. They say Tamara's harsh as well, but we're used to that. Meanwhile, flash over to the harsh crew and Katie's now among, that's the other thing, Heather.

Now Katie's cool because now you have this weird rift amongst the friendship ground team, Tamara. Katie's kind of floating. So now we're cool with Katie, seemingly. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

you're going back on your word. But whatever, I'm not here to nitpick. The point is, Gina's calling out Heather. I like that Gina's calling out Heather. I like that she's doing it well because she brings up feelings. Anytime Heather feels any kind of way about something,

she will make damn well sure that you understand. Absolutely. That you know exactly why she's upset. She will continue to talk until she's done talking. If you want to respond, she will not let you. And when she's done talking, she's going to walk away. I'm done now. Bye-bye.

But if Gina has feelings or anybody else has feelings, we don't have time to talk about your feelings. Of course not. I'm over it. But Gina's finally calling attention to it. And could this be? If this season ends this way, it would be awesome. If you get a full split, Heather and Tamara versus the rest of the group with Katie

doing whatever Katie's doing, I don't really care what sides she lands on. I could see Katie doing whatever she's going to do and she'll speak up for probably both sides here and there. Emily will definitely float around but in a way that she doesn't want anybody to be mad at her. Yeah. And then you'll have the other team, the rest of the group. It'll be staunchly on the other side.

Yeah, and I'm cool with that. I'm fully fine with that. I think that would be a great way to end this season and then the reunion's going to be very, very interesting. It's Heather and Tamara taking on pretty much the rest of the cast. I could see Heather not having time for it by the time the reunion rolls around, though.

That would be really frustrating. That would be hilarious. It would be fine only because it would just leave Tamara out on an island by yourself. Okay. And I don't see anybody coming to her defense If it's not Heather At this point in the season

I agree I agree You just always have to be careful with Emily Only because Emily Tries to stay neutral She tries to stay logical But her logic is flawed Yes

That's a good way to put it Because sometimes she goes on a little Logic rant I say chant And I'm like I see what you're saying But I very much don't agree with you Yeah

That's an interesting point Like how you got there Don't like how you got there Don't agree with it But I like that you're trying to be pragmatic about it. But we get to dinner and everyone's getting fillet. We've talked about this, guys.

Filet is not the best cut of steak. Okay? Don't fall for it and get a fucking rib-eye. If there's not a ribby, get a strip or a porterhouse. Stop getting filet. You're wasting your money on a lesser piece of meat. Or go with a Dover Soul, which was the first thing that I ever cooked for private dinner. True story.

True story. Fun fact. Fun fact. Didn't know how to do it. had to learn the day before. Nailed it, by the way. Thank you, YouTube. Thank you, YouTube, and guys grocery games. But at dinner, I like Jen, Jen's kind of fed up, and we've seen this transformation over the past two years, haven't we?

There we have. This growth into not only a viable housewife, but a fucking good housewife, because she has been through the ringer. We've seen her go through it. She's still in the trenches, but now she's getting to a point where she really, realizes I don't have to keep appeasing the cool kids. I can stand on my own now. We're watching this in Salt Lake as well with Angie Kay. To watch new housewives come into their own and actually be successful, garner a good audience

following, garner a good response from us, go toe to toe with some of the OGs with enough ammo, wherewithal, and direction to not falter and fall back and have to recline out of the gutter such as Katie in the beginning of the season. it's really impressive to watch and it's so fun to root for a housewife like Jen who just seems to be nice she's like a new type of housewife

the things that she does she does right in front of your face we don't see her working behind anybody's backs she's always just getting more information but having a very genuine conversation with whoever she's talking to she seems super nice and if she has a problem with you

she will tell you now and I love that I do too perfect she doesn't wait she doesn't try to get her bearings She doesn't try to figure out a way to spin it and make sure that you can't get out of it or anything like that. She just goes right after you. And if she continues to do that, as we saw at the end of this episode, it's going to be great. She's going to be Center Orange next year.

She's up for Housewife of the Year at this point. Comeback Player of the Year. She's up. She's already got that in the back. I don't know. Angie Kay is doing really good, too. I don't know. And you got, well, I think she's doing better than Angie Kay.

I agree with that. And I think Newcomer the Year is going to probably go to Bronwyn. Yeah. And not that Jen is a newcomer. We're just going through the award system right now. but it's been impressive to do that it is we're getting close to the end of the year so it's time to recap that and uh maybe have an award show we should probably have an award show that'd be really funny she brings up the dress and brings up the fact that heather called tamara and

tamara immediately was like and heather was immediately like i was worried about you it's like no you weren't because he called tamara and just wanted to talk shit about it and her next response is i just didn't want you to feel like you had to buy the two thousand dollar dress to keep up with the Joneses. Then maybe call Jen and do that, not Tamara. Call Jen. Everything she's saying is a lie. 100%.

Not to mention, last year, she was shamed for having knockoff things, for not spending the money. So here's the thing. Not only did she get the designer shit, she spent no money. Ryan bought it for her. So why are you women discussing it at all? Tamara and Heather, eat your fucking filet, your bad piece of meat that you wasted price $70 on, choke that down with some wine and shut the fuck up. Leave Jen alone. She's fine. She's thriving. Okay. Depending what happens with Ryan, it may not stay that way.

But for the time being, she's doing just fine. Her family's doing fine. Leave her alone. But I'm glad she brings it up. I'm glad she brings up the fact that she got ridiculed for having knockoffs. And Heather apologizes flat out, which I did appreciate. I didn't buy it. Don't think it was genuine. But at least in the moment, she goes, you know what? I'm sorry. Yep. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best you are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute.

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Jen's not done. More than we usually get. No, it's way more than we usually get. But Jen's not done. She immediately just sets her sights on Tamara. She goes, I don't even know where to start with you. I'm like, fuck, yeah. Keep going.

This is great. Right down the row. She brings up dinner the other night. And Tamara's like, well, that was between me and Ryan. It's like, well, no, not only did you drag Jen into it, but your whole entire vendetta against Ryan comes from the relationship that he has with Jen. Therefore, obviously, she's going to get involved, and no, it's not isolated to Ryan. You were being a mess in front of everybody.

Everybody was pretty much Matt could have fucking jumped in. Katie's husband. He could have gotten involved because of the scene that you were causing over at the house. And this is probably the best way to break down what Tamara is doing. Jen says, you just want everyone to believe that this guy is such a big piece of shit, that he's dirty and gross, whatever. and brings us back to the why. Why are you so obsessed with trying to paint Ryan in a bad light?

Granted, there's reason for concern. We are not big Ryan fans, despite the last three weeks of this podcast, okay? We have to keep reiterating that. But it's hard to argue with what he's bringing to the table at the moment. We'll take it at face value for what it is. He's taken care of Jen. He's taking care of their kids.

He's buying her shit. He's buying the kids stuff. There's five of those fuckers living at his house. house and he didn't say a word, he's open to it, he takes care of them while she's gone. In a nutshell, for the current time being, he's doing nice things, right? Why do you need to try to tell everybody? Why is it Tamara's job to let the entire Orange County community know that Ryan's potentially being investigated by the FBI?

And she's going to always bring it back to whatever the way she feels. She brings up the Eddie thing where Ryan goes on the podcast and starts talking about Eddie. What was her reaction to that? That was one instance in which Ryan said, nothing. really about Eddie, but he kind of placated. He kind of just let it out there and just let it sit. He didn't actually give any specifics, and he didn't actually go after Eddie. Tamara had a full blow-up.

You've been going after Ryan for two seasons. We've been watching it. When after Jen last year, the entire season, and you're going to sit there and say, well, I just don't understand any of this. Like, no, that's the biggest hypocritical thing that you could do is blow up when he brings up your husband, who, by the way, the podcasters brought him up, and he didn't answer any of that. He stayed away from it.

But you're going to blow up over that and still actively try to take him down since day one, which we find out later as you're talking to Shannon. But still, same thing. You've been going after this guy forever. That's her partner. Your partner gets one little stray and you freak the fuck out. You actively shoot at Ryan and this is a problem. So I just don't understand how she doesn't, again, she's just like is incapable of wrapping her head around anybody else but herself.

Correct. But I love that Shannon jumps in now too. everyone's going after the door has been kicked open oh yeah it's time for everybody to air their grievances out and she jumps in and brings up the text about alexis or Alexis's text about the lawsuit from years ago that tamma said she knew nothing about right the big issue that people at the table not just shannon have with this emily jumps in as well i think jena jumps in but the fact that tamer didn't tell anybody about it and when questioned about she goes that's between you and Alexis. It's like, okay, okay, when it's something that has to do with Shannon

having proof, now it's between the two of them, but Alexis Polino can spew any kind of nonsense or you can sit there and listen to her spout off lines from John Jansen, then you take it all 100% truth. But when Shannon has actual physical evidence and shows it to you, not only do you deny ever having seen it in the past, we watched you lie in the beginning of the season episode one when you said you were not involved in that lawsuit. That's also a lie. you just got caught in. Instead of bringing it to the attention of the group, hey guys, this is interesting. I know I've been skewering Shannon over here for all of this bullshit that I'm being told, but at the same time, Alexis clearly lied about this text that I'm also involved in that I've

known for the entire time and watch Shannon take the shit for it, but I'm too much of a pansy to step in because I want this narrative of dragging Shannon down to the ground so I can beat her to a pulp to kind of fall through. So I'm going to keep going after this. I'm not going to talk about the fact that I know, and everyone's going to go along with it. Everyone's going to be fine. And that's where, like, every season, Tamara falls short and we see it because her plan never works entirely. Last year, she went after Heather, which is so weird why Heather's now on her team, but she went after Heather. We saw in the last episode, Heather stuffs it in her face and says, I don't have time for this and leaves the circus party. Remember that?

Yep. So now fast forward, once again, your plans don't fully come to fruition because they're built on a web of lies. This House of Cards is crumbling, Tamara. And we've all been, we've been waiting for it. I didn't expect to see it come out like this. I definitely didn't see Jen at the helm. She kind of rose up out of nowhere, a phoenix rising from the ashes to tear down an OG

and take her step up to the podium. Hell yeah, we're here for that. But the fact that she keeps doing this and ignoring the evidence from Shannon's side, not giving Shannon any kind of grace to just listen, even if you don't like her, just fucking listen and shut up. Or look at the goddamn evidence. and acknowledge it. The lack of acknowledgment, oh, it drives me nuts.

Yeah, the lack of acknowledgement is probably the roughest part of all of this when she's presented with any sort of evidence and you are caught red-handed. She just ignores it. No, I, you know, that doesn't matter. It doesn't have to do, yeah, exactly. It doesn't have to do with anything. It doesn't matter. Bye. That's what she does. We get to watch her. This is the first time that we get to watch Tamara backed up into her corner. And Jen later clocks her for exactly what she is. So good. A feral cat just hiding in the corner. That is exactly what Tamara does. She's presented with evidence and she just ignores it. Yep. No, I don't have time for that. Like, bye. No, no, no, not part of that.

That's not how you continue this. No. And I love the idea that this is now, finally, we are getting evidence against Tamara. This isn't just hearsay. It's not, and we've watched her do it for years, sitting back and talking to somebody else in the shadows, bringing up different things and having them do their dirty work. Oh, yeah. She has been held, or she is liable for a lot of things that have happened in just the last two years, and nobody ever calls her out for it. Not anymore. Nobody ever goes after her. She has burned one too many bridges because Shannon figured out how to work an iPhone.

That's the problem. She lucked into it. She lucked into it by finding that Alexis text, but later, I guarantee you, she realized, holy shit, what else could I do with these text messages that I never delete? I can just search Jen and figure out when Tamara's been talking shit on Jen. I was so pumped that you did that. Yeah. Now that Shannon knows how to use an iPhone, Tamer's.

There is so much evidence out there for all the shit talking that she's done to Shannon for years. Now you're going to go against Shannon. Shannon is coming back a little bit and realizing, you know what? Me against you isn't working because you are just putting me down and putting me down and I'm not in a good position to do this. I'm going to give the other people a little bit of a shot. Here's a little information about what Tamer's doing. And you can see all the seeds being planted. I love to this episode for this because all the seeds are being planted of Tamara talks behind everybody's back.

and Shannon is running that. Shannon knows best. You get Vicky back here. I mean, Vicki might not have any credibility, but she'll have texts. She'll have texts for sure. And then all of a sudden, the web of lies is starting to go in.

Start to unravel. Starting unravel. And now you know exactly what it is. Watching her say, that doesn't matter to evidence in her face, oh, it was so good. God, she's in for it for the end of the season. Which is awesome.

And by the way, Shannon published the entire thread, let people just flip through that whole thing. And that's what is so great about this season, arguably, is watching this transition of power, this flip-flop that we've seen of Shannon getting beaten down the beginning of the season. Gina getting her ass kicked at the beginning of the season. Katie getting her ass kick.

Jen is on the ropes. We watch her back in her friendship with Tamara and we're like, what the fuck are you doing? She's starting to see the light. The usual two-headed monster at the top, the Heather and the Tamara of it, they're on the other end now. We've gotten a total flip-flop, and now this crew is not only playing the game the right way by planting seeds, going back and getting evidence, getting solid.

We're getting text. Text evidence is the best. That in pictures, you can't beat that shit. They're playing like pros. We've been waiting for this. I'm okay with them if they just sacrifice not getting Heather right now. That's fine. Heather's not really a huge part of this.

She can go away. She can easily just make an excuse, just say she's done with it. And you know what? Let her go. Totally. Turn your attention fully at a timer. Take her down. She can't do that.

No. She can't wiggle her way out of that, especially when there's three people going after her, and that's what I want the most. Hopefully we get it at the end of the season, and hopefully that reunion is a fucking roast. Bloodbath. But we get to the next morning,

and this is what Emily's always good for. She's always good for trying to settle things, either after the fact or when she's calmed down from stuff. And she does her best with Tamara here to be like, Can you not kind of see the other side of it? Like, I get what you're doing. And she even kind of champions Tamara. It's like, I understand, but you just got to be the bigger person.

She's like, I don't want to bow down. It's like, you don't have to bow down. Just be the bigger person. She's playing into Tamara's delusions that what she's doing is correct, which is fine. I don't care. But she's just saying, then in a confessional, we get more. She's like, just let it go at this point. Like, be empathetic.

Try to not tear her down all the time. She can't do that. She's incapable of doing it. but Emily tries to, at the very least, be like, hey, mellow out, dude. This shit's too intense now, but Shannon, Gina and Jen are talking. We talked about this already. This is where the old texts come out. And I love that this move happened because Jen's already, you can tell, she's a powder keg ready to go.

She needs one more spark, and Shannon's ready to fucking play now. And you know what she did, too? What's that? A screenshot of the text messages. Oh, that's even fair. You know why she did that? No. Because you don't know what Shannon said in response to the background check.

Right, right, right. That's smart. She could be like, yeah, get after him. I hate that guy. He's definitely a scumbag. No, let's take a screenshot of just what Tamara said me. Smart. So you can't see what I said in response.

She's learning. She is learning. She's doing great. Yeah. She's doing great. But we get confirmation of a background check done by Tamara on Ryan. There is absolutely no reason that this should be occurring. I don't care if he's doing sketchy shit.

If he's not immediately in your circle, if he's dating your daughter, sure. If he's coming into the family business, by all means. There's no reason for you to get a background check on an acquaintance that uses your gym. That's crazy. Even if you didn't, even if what you're saying is true and all you did was see if he was actually a licensed real estate agent, which is fucking stupid that you didn't actually do. You still texted Shannon and said, I'm going to do a background check on him. I'm texting my friend to do a background check. That is enough evidence.

With a picture of the background, Jack, no. So I'm very confused by the whole thing. But Jen, boom, powder cake ignite. Right out the door. That was it. She goes, I love her confessional. She's like, I'd rather have my little bank account, or she might say this in the room. I'd rather have my little bank account.

Kids that love me, I was like, boom, sick burn. Yep. And a man that supports me, boom, sick burn. And then she storms out. She's going, she's ready for fucking blood, and I'm ready for it. And she goes into Tamara's room. She kicks the goddamn door open. And she just calls her.

immediately you got a background check on Ryan I swear we have proof okay we've seen it yep right I swear on my kids life I have not ever gotten a background check in my life time out I'm sure she's done it with multiple people oh she's definitely done it before huh she's definitely said those words before I swear my kids lives that I didn't do this yeah clearly has no regard for that that when she said that it's worth it just shows you her word is worth absolutely nothing and she's laughing the whole thing off and it's like clapping in her face because she doesn't know what to do she has no clue what to say backs into a corner she goes that was two years ago it's like all right so now you're admitting that yes this happened and then she goes into some bullshit story

about i was seeing if he he was apparently like a mortgage whatever the fuck it was i was trying to figure that out why again even if that was the extent of it which it was not why are you you doing that what's the point and for heather to have sat by and watched tamara do all of her tamraness over the past let's just say two years not even three four five whatever before they were back on the show together for you to have sat and watched all of this transpire how she operates what she tried to do to you last year and then have the nerve to say to jen let her talk her time to talk is over because anything she's going to say is a goddamn lie and jen's fed up this is Jen's turn to eat and she's hungry and she's eating without a crumb left and she's just

going all she's saying is the truth that's all she's saying to her and she also has the composition in the moment to be like what does Eddie do the answer was still not that great he runs a multi-million or sold it he had a multi-million dollar business okay what was it I'm not saying he didn't I don't know well COVID he works from home now okay just that would be great if she just gave the same answer to the right yeah real estate development but when she response, she goes, great, I don't care. I'm like, that's all you got to say. I don't know why she gives a shit so much. And it's just embarrassing. It's just absolutely fucking embarrassing. And I'm glad that she walks out of there going, leave me the fuck alone, meet my family alone. I don't

want to be involved in any of your bullshit anymore. All you do is talk shit about everybody behind their back, and I'm a better person than you will ever be. But the fact that Tamara says back to her, you talk behind everyone else is back. No, she doesn't. Nope. Because we watch and she gets involved in some things when other people are talking. All she does is ask questions. She's present for conversations behind people's backs, but she doesn't initiate.

Nope, never. All she does is try to understand where the other person's coming from. Why are we talking shit on this person? Jen is just genuinely a good person. She's nice. Tamara, Tamara, you could tell, was spinning out of control. She didn't know what to do. She was clapping.

She was answering. She gave the answer for Eddie, which was fucking dog shit. and then she continued down a path of clapping and saying you finally found your voice patronizing as fuck yeah or were you even being patronizing or were you like oh my god like jen you're finally saying like basically what he was doing in her confessional i don't think tamer knew what to do in that moment no she was all over the place she's like do i do i applaud her for being like for standing up to me like do i act like that and i'm a villain that i'm like able to do this am i supposed to just be sarcastic to her and i'm supposed to answer her questions no i'm just going to cower in the corner and just

start, like, doing random shit. Is she going to leave soon so I can change my underwear because I shit my pants? Like, she got eaten alive. And it was, it was so satisfying. Satisfying to watch the fact that she had no real rebuttal. The fact that Jen left got the last word in, and then Bounce came back, really got the last word in and left. Yep.

It was so good. And it was so necessary. And like I said, if that's the way that this season's going to end where we get this shift in the dynamic of the entire group where it's Heather and Tamara versus the rest. That would be outstanding. It'd be fun to watch. I agree with you. Heather's small...

I would love it if Heather just takes her space from Tamara. Be great. You know what? I need to separate from you. I need to back up and just watch Tamara take the hits because here's the thing. And I don't want to be overly mean to one person, but we've watched year in and year out, podcast comments, fucking appearances on TV, interviews, you name it. Tamara has said lie after lie, unforgivable things.

really mean things about people's families, body shaming. She literally is going to body shame Jen in the next episode. I've seen that clip where she's like, oh, she got a tummy tuck. Don't be jealous because she's got abs. Okay? Don't be, it's a bad look. Green's a bad color on you. Don't fucking do that.

So you've done everything to all of these people for all of these years. And now this is just your comeuppance. This is what happens. The chicken are coming home to roost because you've been a dick for a very long time. So people that aren't even on the show anymore are commenting on things. And your response to all of this mess, to all of the craziness, to all of the fires you've started is that you're on the fucking spectrum. Uh-huh. That is Tamara Judge in a nutshell.

Yep. It's disgusting. Terrible person. Yeah, but great to watch. Oh, Jen, good for Jen. Just an absolutely stellar character arc over the last two seasons. Just really wonderful work. So bravo to you.

But let's get to some questions. Uh, first up here from Amy Bridget, do you think Jen's Dig, R.E., how her family was together ever registered with Tamara? No, right over her. Didn't, she wasn't present enough in the moment because she was too flabbergasted by the ass whipping she was receiving. I don't think it landed on her that that was directed towards her family. And we didn't talk about this because it was just, there's so much going on in this episode. But from, uh, career, do we think Emily ever got a text response from Shane, uh, in regards to those sexy texts? What was the prompt? I'm naked. He, what would he say?

He probably texted her back at some point. I'm sure he texted her back at some point. I think Katie was the only one actually officially left on red. Yeah. Because Matt, he's FaceTimed her later. He's on the golf course.

He's golfing. He was on the ninth hole, like, with a kid. He's a turn. With a child. With a child. Yeah, so it's not, so he gets a pass. Shane probably said, me too, except

my big gulp. guess where my big gulp is He's like, wait, you're in a different country I've been having big gulps for every Yeah, hold on, let me finish my big gulp And I'll get back to you From Carol Ibana

Do you think the devil would reject Tamara's soul? Jesus Christ I'm not going to talk about damnation I love that That's the door that she's Open by being this deplorable For this long

from Della dot Zadja Does Jen's argument with Tamara now make her a top tier O.C. housewife? Absolutely. She's been getting up there, yeah. She's top tier housewife. She's been climbing the ranks all season to be a top tier O.C. housewife.

Her handling of this last episode sends her into a different level. She really performed great. A question that all of us would like to understand from Dadalo Carey. I want more info on the makeup with Tamara and Heather. Did Heather forget last season? We don't know. We don't know.

It's very confusing. I think maybe Heather, it seems like a lot of people in the group are getting tired of Heather's shtick, even Gina. So maybe she's like, I don't have a lot of people I can trust right now. Let me just go. The thing about Tamara is even if you're at odds, all you have to do is go over to her team and say, I want to be on her team. She'll accept you with open arms. She doesn't care if you actually have a feud going on as long as you're on her team. So maybe it's opportunistic.

Maybe she's feeling a little lonely. Maybe she's sick of people calling her out on her bullshit and knows that Tamara won't do that. I don't know. But we're confused as well. We are very confused. From Life with Catherine 8, do you think Tamara should leave slash be fired? I don't find her entertaining at all. That's where it gets a little tougher because you can say what you want.

No, I don't need to see the over-the-top shit anymore. need to see peeing on patios trying to ruin people's lives but when it comes to tv in general bravo specifically it's all about numbies look at the most discussed topic from this season of orange county what is it tamer judge yep so we will always give credit even to the people we do not like and in this instant hate she is pushing the show forward she's getting numbers even if you're hate watching her. It doesn't matter. If you're talking about Tamara, Tamara's probably going to be back. We're guilty of it as well. We talk about it every week. Are we sitting here saying don't bring her back? No, we're not. We understand it's a necessary evil sometimes and maybe she

has to come back. So I, you know, you might hate watching her, but you're still watching her and you're still talking about her. Sure are. And last one here from Steck 33. How can the other girls sit quietly at dinner while Tamara yells at Shannon? It's getting old. It is getting old. I don't understand it. I said something earlier about this, too, where there's too much of the, Shannon, you need to stop so that she can speak. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't understand it. You guys are going after Shannon, like, whether it's Heather, whether it's anyone else in the season, obviously Tamara's been doing it a whole lot. I am getting really tired of the Shannon stop talking. We need to, like, of course Shannon's going to get up a walk away. You're not letting Shannon talk. She's the one

who's being berated, so. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't understand it at all. I don't either, but. Another stellar episode. It's, they've hit, I don't think we've had a clunker this season. Nope, but I can recall. Yeah, and that, you know how hard that is? Because this is a longer one, too. This was episode 15, I believe. And I think we got three more left plus the reunion.

Yep. So it's a 21, I'm assuming it'll be a three-parter. So all in all, it could potentially be a 21 episode season. If they can get through it with zero down weeks, we haven't had that yet. I don't think that they're at this point, because what do we have left? We've got another episode in London. The drama is there. We got the two be continued.

Then they'll come home. Alexis one more time. We'll get Alexis one more time and then we'll have the cameras pick up for the Ryan thing. Yeah. And then the last episode and then we've got reunion. So I don't think there will be a clunker. That would be incredible. To go potentially 18 and 0, that's not easy.

Big time. That's big time. You're talking dynasty. You're talking a dynasty there. What a time. What a time to be alive and to be a Bravo fan. But the last thing I'll say because I meant to do this at the beginning of of the episode.

I'll do it now. The ratings for Salt Lake do not match the quality of the show. So if you're listening to this and not watching Salt Lake, I don't understand what you're doing, what your hang-up is. That is one of the better seasons we've seen as well. It's so fucking good. So if you're listening to this and you're not watching Salt Lake,

do yourselves a favor and watch Salt Lake. No, we are not paid. Watch Salt Lake. Watch Potomac. We'll let you know about Roney. Roney's still on the ropes. more so than it was the week prior and potentially even more so after this week.

We don't know yet. But, yeah, Potomac is on the come-up, not at the level that O.C. and Roslick are currently operating on. But it is definitely a step up. Roney is... Yeah, Roney. Yeah. Well, can't win them all.

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