Bros & Shows - Jesse Flops at Jax's Last Reunion (Part 2 of 2)(The Valley Reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

PART 2! What's up Bros? We had to split this bad boy up into 2 parts to make sure we covered it all. In part 1 of the reunion, Jesse and Michelle take center stage. We get a little more insight into how things operate behind the scenes and Jesse comes off horribly. Michelle may not be the most likable character, but make no mistake, she is in the right. Brittany and Jax get into their divorce a little bit but we learn even more about some of the abuse that was going on. The rose bush had to have been the last nail in the coffin and its disappointing that Andy didnt address it more. Doute and Nia share more their pregnancy journeys and as we know, both had healthy, happy babies (congrats). This was a solid start to a 3 part reunion that has more than enough to discuss! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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what are we going to do we're going to talk about it all that's what we're going to do let's get back into it let's jump right now yeah pros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows pros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my we do talk about his girlfriend some more who i didn't know they were to i don't understand their relationship it sounds like she doesn't like him very much uh but before we get to their current status of relationship we get more about what happened previously so we know that things between michel and the girlfriend were not great there was a cease and desist sent at one point so i guess a month into their relationship jesse's girlfriend's girlfriend's

decides to call Michelle to talk about boundaries with Isabella. Now, there's two parts to this. One side, it's like, yes, that is the correct thing to do. You want to set parameters so you're not overstepping, and you want everyone to get along. Sure. There is two things that need to happen before that. One, you need to be dating for a lot longer than a month. Two, Jesse needs to call Michelle first and have the discussion of, hey, I know we've talked

about introducing people to Isabella. I've been dating this person. I would like to introduce her to Isabella. If you would like to talk to her before I make that happen, by all means we can set that up. That was never going to happen. No, fuck. That's what should happen.

I understand. Because I'm going through it in my own head and I'm like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's really at the discretion of the parents, how they want to do it. Oh, wait. We're dealing with Jesse and Michelle. Yeah, no, none of this shit's actually going to work.

Nothing is going to play on hell. they had agreed to keep them away the way that i kind of saw and yeah i mean they can agree to whatever they want because jesse the way that he operates he's going to do whatever the fuck he wants he wants the final say on what michelle's doing on the other end that's all he's worried about and then he starts doing this whole song and dance trying to say you know i don't want another man around my daughter bro i know what you're trying to do i understand where you're trying to come from that's not what that's not what you mean you're just you're just letting your ego get in the way and you just want to be able to say yes or no,

whatever Michelle asks. But I think what probably happens, and I don't know this woman. We don't know this woman. She's not on the show ever. Jesse was probably bringing Isabella around a million fucking times. She was probably there every single time. And maybe the girl just started getting uncomfortable.

She's like, ugh, I don't really, you know, have you talked to Michelle about this? I don't know. Jesse being Jesse, oh, it doesn't fucking matter what she says. I'm her father. I'll be able to do all these things. Maybe she just got to a point where she was really uncomfortable

and just reached out to Michelle. Now, You already said a cease and assist before that, so probably not. Yeah, that's a lot of credit. This is the, we keep running into these fucking dead ends because of these people. That's the worst part. You try to think logically. You try to just work through it and try to understand a situation.

And then you realize who you're dealing with and you're like, oh, no, that's not what happens. That's certainly, I know what happens. I agree, but listening to him spin this like, mish, geez, I can't talk today. This misogynistic approach, like, like you said, I. I hear what he's trying to do, but what he doesn't understand is he is now saying that the bond between father and daughter is different than that of a mother and daughter and held to a different standard. It's like, dude, do you hear what you're saying right now? You're saying that your relationship is more important than the mother's relationship and a man coming into her life is more impactful than another woman coming into her life. that makes no fucking sense and he's like because somebody calls out it's like that's misogynist or sexist and

he's like nah maybe it is it's like no it full blown is i just want one time when somebody says something like that when they get into like the mother saying you know i i carried around for nine months i made all of these uh all of these exceptions and changed my lifestyle and all of these things to be pregnant i want one misogynist guy to turn around and say i carried her in my balls forever. That would be so fucking funny. Jesse would do that. He would say something like that and then try to act like it was not a big deal and then apologize a week later. Yeah. Like that's what. He came for me. You were just the vessel. Exactly. That's like I could literally see him saying that. That would be so funny. And I could see like a side conversation of him talking like Jacks and

explaining his side. And Jack's been like, I mean, you're right. You're totally right. Dude, you're so right. Well, I mean, can we get the sectomies? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Let's go together. I'll hold your balls. But anyway, the rumors about his girlfriend talking some shit seemingly are confirmed for me because like Brittany's a lot of things. She's a, she's a bad friend, you know, and I do think that she spins certain things a little bit. I, she's not a liar. Like she doesn't flat out lie about things. Like she might twist it a little bit, but she doesn't lie.

So when she says, you know, I heard her talking about you. I wasn't sure. I got confused. Was she saying that I heard how she talked to you or I heard how she talked about you? It seemed like both. It seemed like a very like. Maybe, yeah. I don't really understand.

I didn't really get it either. I don't know. It was sort of, I really didn't know what to make of this, honestly. No. Because it wasn't supportive to Michelle, but it was putting Jesse down, but putting them down gently because you felt bad for him. And I think the best way to summarize the whole thing is Jesse's response. I appreciate that you felt bad and all of the feelings that you felt towards me. But no, that's just not.

I don't need you to feel bad. And that never happened. Like, was this woman just walking around talking about bagging the Baywatch guy, like the entire party? And they're like, this is kind of fucking weird. What about Jesse? Oh, that guy sucks.

Yeah. That guy's brutal. He's not Baywatch. Yeah. But I believe that he was talking or that she was talking some shit about him. and to me it sounds like he is alone he's up shits creek without a paddle he needs her to like him in his head because he simply has nothing else going for him at the moment so it's like she didn't say that you're stupid and i don't care about you feeling bad for me i'm fine i'm totally fine everything's fine

let me go call my attorney myself oh well i think the dream of next season being the two of them trying to work on their relationship and getting back together is probably sailed and it needs to for her sake it definitely like we don't know it would be fucking hilarious but yeah they start to rekindle something but no she needs to run she needs to get far away from him she can go with knee and daddy just get out there Santa Clarita yeah let's let's start a new show SC oh I don't I'm supporting Michelle but I don't think she's very interesting so I don't really need her on the show no I'm just saying I would say she'd go out there and live a life in Santa Clarita. Put it on TLC or something.

But Jesse's response to all of this is to try to take a shot at Michelle. Who wasn't involved in this? And he goes, yeah, well, at least you didn't take the money unlike Aaron. It's like, okay. Well, Aaron was on the show frequently. Aaron's dating somebody on the show. I will say this about Aaron. He didn't seem to be fame hungry.

Like, I didn't get that vibe from him. No. But he agreed to be on it. He supported ish, Michelle. I think he could have a much better job. Yeah, he definitely jumped in. Now that I say that, now that I say that I'm pulling it back. I don't think, but it wasn't in a fame-hungry way.

So I think you were right. He didn't seem like he was always looking for the camera, like other people on this show that have cameos. He was more just kind of floating around. I think he just liked being involved. Yeah. It bothered me when I have. In the beginning of the season. When he jumped in and tried to tell Jesse how to be a dad.

No, what I'm thinking is in Hawaii after Kristen and Luke got engaged when he inserted himself and like, yeah, bug-eyed and then gave Luke a huge hug and congratulated him and talked about a bunch of shit. That's the one thing that I think of, but I think he was just probably a little drunk. Yeah, and, you know, I'll let it slide. It's just funny that he brought that up. Jesse's like, yeah, well, and in my head, I'm like, well, if he was on the show that much, like he should take the money. Like, why? Jesse's like 0 for 7 at this point, by the way. Every little dig that he takes is a complete width.

Yeah, here's 20 grand, Aaron. No. No, thank you. Absolutely not. Give it to a charity. Yeah, fuck out of here. What? Not that you shouldn't give money to charity.

Yeah, that was a wild response to that. That's not what I meant. You know what I meant. Clip it. Somebody clip it. Please don't clip that. You know what I meant? of course give money to charity

Aaron's saying give me the $20,000 maybe he did give it to charity maybe he has a charity honey for the kids this is getting worse I was going to say something way worse and I'm not doing it this this went

south in a hurry where am I in the notes here uh what's it going to be like when Jacks has to witness Brittany introducing another man to Cruz and of course it brings me back with the day my dad died yeah that's probably he didn't say that but that's probably going to come out did you see

did you see the caveat that was circulating somebody said uh or got a cameo from jacks to help their friends get past the passing of their dad whether or not that was true i don't know if that i think this was just setting jack somebody set it up i you know what i'd love to be one of those people that's going to tell you things are going to get better, you're going to get back to live in your life. But it never, it never gets better. Your life just sucks. It's just complete hell every day. It was wild. Oh, my God. That's, uh, that sounds like a set up to me. I would say he's, I would say like he just seems like a dude who's given up, but like he's going to live until he's like a hundred.

Oh, without a doubt. He's going to be a hundred and 20 longer than all of us. Yeah, that's just how it goes. You know how it goes, but we got a Jack's therapy montage all the way back to the Vanderpump days because, you know, he's talking about how. he's in therapy now and everything's working out and he's on the right path and I'm glad they did this because you get to hear everything he's saying now 10 years ago eight years ago six years ago two years ago like this has been the same song and dance for so long and we've had a couple people in the comments try to say like well you need sympathy this and now it's like no and this is why because this is this is the same shit that we've

been watching forever so didn't he hook up with that rakey healer too from VPR? Yes. The whole thing. That was a whole different issue. So again, it's like you have this slew of quote unquote therapists, but none of them were like actual therapists. And now you're saying that you've been with one for a while.

So whatever. But this whole song and dance of, you know, I wish I did it a long time ago. It's like you said this every single time that you've gone through an episode. And here we are again. And I'm glad that Brittany's like, it doesn't change shit. I got, I'm immovable on this whole thing. And you should be because like. same shit different day same shit different day but before we dive fully into the jackson brittany stuff

and uh this is we'll probably have to do a two-parter yeah this is long we'll do that at the end but before we dive fully into the jackson brittany stuff we got to cover a couple little more and again like you said i'm glad they did this like they sprinkled things in throughout this episode so after this i think we go like full throttle into everything but the friendship between dody luke and Jesse comes up because obviously season one we saw a lot of shenanigans we saw Jesse slam his fists tell Kristen to shut the fuck up

try to attack Luke again I still take Luke in that one I think Luke would sit him down Luke would yeah I think he would I just love that clip so much because Zach gets shelved out of the way yeah his face afterwards where he's like what the fuck

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when dody reached out to jesse via text message he claims it caused him to look inward and his role in everything that happened last year and dody talks about going over to his house because we were all like whoa when it happened and then she goes over there jesse takes accountability for everything that happened i guess my question to you is how real was all of that and i have my opinion on it i'll save it uh 50 50 it was you It was 50-50. He wanted to get dirt on Michelle. He wanted to piss Michelle off for sure. But I also think genuinely, he probably was in a place that he's in pretty much right now

where he's talking about all these fires around them and how lonely he is. He probably looked at that as like a, you know, Kristen might be a good friend to have. So at least he has that. And I think it did change a little bit. I think he did actually grow to like Kristen and Luke. And I think they grew to like him a lot more because you can even tell in this scene. It's like, all right, this is, I think Michelle's only. misstep because I don't think she worded it correctly.

I think she worded it the way that pretty much I just walked through it where it's like, yeah, he was only hanging out with you because he wanted to get dirt on me. He wanted to find out more about the person that I was dating. It grew from there. But then it grew from there. I think that's probably the approach. Instead, she goes to the way of saying that Kristen is being manipulated into friendship, which it's Kristen Doty.

She is not being manipulated in the friendship. I can tell you that much. That was the funniest part when she said, that's immediately what I thought. I was like, yeah, she's not getting manipulated. And then she's like, I don't really get manipulated. I was like, yeah, no, you can say a lot about it. Exactly. So I agree with you.

And I'm not going to knock her for it. I think she misspoke in what she was trying to say. And I also think that it's got to be hard because she's friends with Nody and then seeing Jesse kind of slither his way in there. I'm sure she's friends. I don't think either of them were really like close to her before the show started filming though. I don't think they really knew her at all.

No, okay. I thought they were not necessarily yeah or at least with Michelle and Doty I don't think they ever really have much of a friendship because we never really heard anything about that we always hear about Janet and Doty's friendship all the time because that's like such a big focus point but no with this one in particular

I think that either of them probably could have reached out to Doty and been friends with her it's just that Jesse got there first yeah and I think that Janet swings and misses here too because I've said multiple times and Michelle brings up the fact that he can cry on command and like I believe that and I think that a lot of his tears are fake.

The one moment that Janet tried to use, I was like, that one, I don't know, because she's like, well, that one time, you know, she said, oh, come on, Jesse, and your tears dried up pretty quick. Even Jason was like, well, you know, given the circumstances, like they're getting separated, and it's the first time that they're not going to be together for the holidays.

So, like, I could see that. And I'm like, I could do. If all the things, like, if it wasn't Jason that said it, I would have agreed, but. that's fair yeah i don't know yeah i do think yeah i think that was probably the worst example because there are a lot of examples of him there's a lot even if you go back to season one there's a lot of examples of him crying so not that one that one's a little tough because i don't think he was crying about michel he wasn't crying about the uh the relationship he's crying about his daughter

not being there for certain holidays and yeah you know that's a different animal entirely 100 but uh let's tee this one off i've said that five times that's the word it off That's the phrase of the day is, let's tee it off, boys. That's not what it is. Let's talk about the boys chat, is what I was going to say. This fucking boys chat that we've heard about. I actually liked that we got the whole, like, storyline of it. You get, it started at Tom Schwartz's wedding.

It started out just because we wanted to check it and see where everybody was because we lived on little houses near each other or whatever. It's like, no. Whatever. No. It was just. dirty gross shit they were sending like you guys were probably just talking about people who looked hot at the wedding yeah that yeah people that looked bad at the wedding or i'm trying to hook up

with his bridesmaid and then sent like a picture of her like stuff like that but we get confirmation about how dirty this text is or text group is like brittany's seen it because jacks went to her this is what blows my mind when it comes to jesse and maybe he can't afford to lose any more friends he's a lot of things but he doesn't seem dumb to me you know And I just don't understand, or maybe he just knows Jacks well enough to not take it personally. But Brittany is like, you know, I saw everything in that text. And, you know, Jack's, Jacks hated Jesse. Like he used to say horrible things about him.

He'd say horrible things all the time and blah, blah, blah. It's like, as Jesse is sitting there, are you not taking that into consideration? You skewered Danny for letting something leak that actually probably should have been brought to people's attention. And now Jacks is doing it showing Brits. Brittany every single text ever sent in there and we don't have any energy for him no yeah and we kind of said that at the time too because i think even nia stepped in and michel said something they all knew about the group text they've all read the group text they all want nothing to do with the group text yeah but they all seem to know the ins and outs of what they're talking about because

their husbands or boyfriends or whoever are mentioning it to them are talking about certain things this one i i don't know i really don't know if jesse just kind of missed this one because it could be chocked up as Brittany's just talking shit and trying to drive a wedge between Jackson, any of his friends, to try to get them to all to hate them. But I didn't really get that. I kind of believed Britney, you know, when she's

talking about all of this. I think Jesse just doesn't really have the energy for it. I think that's really all of this. I don't think you can afford to lose another friend because he's so damn lonely. But great, another fire. Yeah, I'm starting another fire here. God. Yeah, you know what? Nope. Sidespep

that one. And obviously we know that the big text to come out of this this season was when Danny let slip that Jesse was alluding to the fact that Michelle was a paid escort and that's how she was paying her bills at the moment. Now, uh, the one thing I need to highlight before we talk about that text is Jack's quotes a very, very famous misogynist. And I love that he quoted him and it's so fucking par for the course. he would quote him because it's locker room talk where have we heard that one before apparently jack is also grabbing people by the pussy but whatever we don't need to get into that whole thing but it was like that for me was such a funny fucking moment i'm like oh fucking course you would say that that is yeah nail on the head knee his face right after he said it pretty much

just said it all like are you fucking yeah you fucking moron like as if this wasn't bad enough you're really going to call it that okay great great yeah it is what it is we knew exactly what it was confirmation i guess if you needed it i don't think many people out there really needed it but sure why not yeah sure just about hey danny how that slip why'd you let that one out why are you telling people what's going on here i don't know i i don't know which way to believe do you really think that he thought that they were done they were wrapped they weren't filming anymore or do you think he wanted to let it i don't think he wanted it to get it to get it to out i think he was just telling luke here's the thing and this is what like what was interesting to me

when it came up is like i i think that he he has to know or maybe it was like a lapse in judgment in a specific moment like thinking they were wrapped but my big thing with it is i don't think it's bad that that got out i don't think that he's feeling like upset about getting kicked out of the fucking boys chat so for janet on the side to be like he's an action he knew it that like how Mike's work it's like yeah but that's not like I got you a moment that was him like saying that Jesse's calling his his wife of escort yeah I don't know and people like that people are treating it like Danny did something bad to Michelle like the fact that that came out and it's like Danny's not the problem here Jesse's the problem this boys chat is the

problem we should have gotten more into what people said back to Jesse after he said that and I don't believe that Jesse regretted it immediately after sending it like he said he wanted this shit talk and that's probably what that group is it's more about who said what after that who actually added to it because that's not how that works especially in a group of those fucking idiots they're all probably talking about it and they probably made jokes even further so let's find out who else is talking shit about it let's see the group chat so danny letting it out he's not the problem here this isn't really like a oh fuck danny like yeah if you're in the group chat you're going to be pissed because he let that out now people are talking about it but

anybody else trying to say that he's doing anything bad to Michelle is crazy that's the vibe I got from Janet. It's awareness. Yeah. It's like what's the problem? Like what are you digging at him about that for? And that's what really made me apprehensive for the next episode. Janet's probably in the boys chat. Honestly, she probably

anytime Jason responds, it's probably Janet. It's probably just Janet, yeah. Yeah. Because you know he'd be like, here, babe, I don't want to get in trouble. Here's the voice chat. But anyhow who, we talk a little bit more about Jesse's finances and who's lending him money we still don't get confirmation of that we heard earlier in the

season that a gay man was was paying him or ben doing him i want a more on this i don't know why like we got scenes from the reunion earlier it's got to be in the next it has to be right we need an answer to like who's who's paying his rent they'll probably because right now it seems like this whole first episode is just uh how do we get here what are you guys doing how is going and then I think we'll probably get into the actual specifics when we get into the second episode where they talk about things that happened this season because we really didn't get a whole lot of that you know obviously we're just touching on the on the boys group chat now but I do think that'll still be in it that would be weird if they included it in the trailer and just kind of cut it

because right now seems like the best time to talk about it right you would think and I think that this was the most telling scene for me I mean not that I wasn't team Michelle throughout this but this one was the best depiction of it, I think, because we get the whole situation of when they get separated, when Michelle moved out. And the way that Jesse tries to spin it once again is like, oh, we came to an agreement or like we talked, this, that what actually happened,

I believe this to be 100% true. Jesse put his foot down, said, I'm not fucking leaving this house. You can find somewhere else to live or you can live downstairs. So he kicked her out of the bedroom. he slept in the master she slept in the living room it was so unbearable that she left knowing she would have to pay two rents in california in l a she did that just to get out of the house but the way jesse's trying to talk about it is as though he didn't do anything wrong it's like

that's not what happened it's like you you definitely said that verbatim yeah that's exactly what he said i'm sure and he right i'm finally going to say it he was probably weaponizing his daughter too he was probably saying what do you want what do you want isabella to live in a smaller house what are we supposed to do here you want us to move out i don't want her to do that and just pretty much like what brittany said when it comes to cruise going from Airbnb to Airbnb to Airbnb with my son that's awful that's not a thing that we really want to do so i do think he probably did that in this situation which made things a lot harder for michel but good for her i mean she's still it's sort of like dealing with somebody like jesse you're gonna just have to pay and wouldn't you

rather just pay that money so that you can at least get some peace and quiet go to your own place have some sort of structure start talking about you know going back and forth between the house and isabella and whatever figure all of that shit out but living there it's sort of like ralph in the basement it's just miserable it is such a weird situation you don't want to do it for too long because you'll start going crazy so good for her 100% yeah and it takes a lot of strength to do that and uproot your daughter to get away from a bad situation so yeah Hats off to her for that. And we finally get into Jackson, Brittany, like, really start to dive in.

And I believe we'll pick up right where we left off for a lot of episode two, because there's obviously a lot to talk about here. But we get a recap of the last straw, the last night, when Jacks was throwing tables, and it all stems from seeing these texts from Julian. And the time frame doesn't fucking matter. She's like, you know, a month after separating, I started. He's like, no, it was earlier than that. It's like, it doesn't matter. You were separated. It could have been two days afterwards. It's irrelevant. And Andy asks a very good

question here. He's like, well, did you guys agree like no friends? Like stay out of the friend group. And he's like, well, I just figured that was implied. But the fact that the conversation wasn't had, the fact that Julian and Jackson had been hanging out for one year. It's not like she hooked up with your best friend. But he's making it seem like that. And then we get more about what happened. And I'm glad that this is all coming out. And this is probably more of the reason he's not coming back because she goes over everything. He threw

my phone and broke it, through my laptop and broke it. He threw me into the rose bushes that we have proof of this from the ring camera. I do think that they skipped over that pretty quickly. I agree. I agree. I agree. And I think that's why I said earlier, that has to be part of why he's not coming back. Because I would imagine

production and people there were like oh fuck like that's throwing the table into her leg is domestic abuse it's awful it's horrible i think that when you hear that he physically pushed her like not through something that hit her but he actually put hands on her and shoved her into it's no different in my mind it's abuses abuse but you can't explain that one away so i hope at the very least since they didn't do a good job of addressing and he did miss on that one entirely and that's upsetting I hope that people there in that room or going through the editing room are like, oh, shit, this can't happen.

This needs to be addressed. So I agree. They did whiff on that entirely. I'm just hoping that at least have like a carryover effect. Yeah, for sure. And while this is all going on, he's vehemently denying it. And this just shows you like all of this stupid shit

that he's doing, all of the fake tears, all of the woes me victim shit is a lie. because he did all of these things and continues to deny it. If he was actually in recovery, actually following the steps, then he would be like, yep,

yep, yep, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm trying to work on myself and get better. That all being said, I will say one thing, and it's important for me as somebody in recovery to say this. The proof that he's not doing drugs, the weekly drug tests,

those kinds of things, I'll give him credit there, because he he is clearly not using drugs if the drug tests are coming back negative. So I'm not going to take away from that. And maybe that's a decent first step into actually getting this under control because I don't, even him, I don't wish it on anybody. I wanted to make sure that I at least said that. If he's staying clean, that's a great start.

But he has about a million other things to do before I'm going to be like, he's doing a good job. But it's a good start. Yeah. Yeah. And even him going as far. to say, you know, I like that she knows. I like that she has drug tests, you know, in the back of your head, just dealing with

Jacks for so long, you know that some point it's going to rise where he's going to say, I'm not taking a fucking drug test. I'm not doing this shit. So he says it now and, and again, like not giving him credit or anything, I don't care which way he wants to spin it because we know that he's not doing it because he, he says it holds him accountable. That's not the root of this. The root of this is claiming that drugs and alcohol aren't the problem, which is

is a huge problem. Yeah, he definitely is. But he's doing this and he's giving Brittany the power so that he in turn can say, what are you so mad at me for? I'm clean. What, like, what's the deal? I'm giving you all this power. He's doing it so that he can turn the things around on him or turn the tables back on him. But I don't care because it's keeping you clean. So that's the whole thing. Maybe at some point while you're trying to manipulate the situation by proving to Brittany, that you're being clean so that you have the upper hands, you'll actually be clean for long enough where you can start working on shit. There's a possibility. There is a world in which that might work out. I don't, you know, I don't know if we live in that world, but it might

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and at the end of the day it's all for cruises sake they're already going to have god knows how long of a road to recover from everything he's already been through. And if he sees this stuff when he's older, they're going to have to rehash this whole thing. But, you know, as you say that, it's like, yeah, he's using this so that, they're in my head and I hope I'm wrong.

But it feels like, as you said, he's using this so that when Brittany's like, you can't see Cruz, he's going to say, oh, she's not letting me, I'm doing everything she wants. I'm taking drug tests, doing this, I'm doing that. She won't let me see my kid. And the reason that she's not letting you might be because your anger's out of control or you're bringing girls around him.

Like, who knows what it is? But in your back pocket, you'll have, I'm clean. You're making me take drug tests. You still don't let me see him. I hope I'm wrong, everybody. Like, I'm not trying to rip somebody apart that's like in the throes of addiction. It's just now on the flip side of that, watching him navigate at this season and use it as a crutch and an excuse has been deplorable and really difficult for somebody in recovery.

But I wanted to make sure I got that out of the way so people don't think I'm like actively rooting for him to relapse because I'm not, obviously. But anywho, Brittany and Julian, I guess they hooked up like three times a week. She's like, we weren't dating. And I was like,

that's a lot of hooking up weekly. But hey, you do you. And I think the biggest thing that came from that is as she says, my self-confidence and self-worth was non-existent because you, Jacks Taylor, treated me like shit, put me down,

never touched me. Called me a fucking tree trunk because of my stretch marks after having your child that's bananas that's crazy and again what does he do i never said that everybody there goes we've seen the text jacks we've seen the fucking texts so like yeah just shut up then like if you're not gonna cop to it just don't say anything just sit there quietly like it's so fucking annoying no he's he's trying to we already talked about this in the beginning of the episode but he's trying to do that thing where he's just allowing her to just agree with like he's just agreeing with everything he says he's sorry he gets to the point

where he says she's the victim i'm not the victim here i have to understand that it's like okay you can see everybody on the cast the people who like janet and jason who for whatever reason are in his corner are like wow that's really big of you jacks for saying that i just like the flashing down to zack and jasmine at the end of the couch like yeah you're fucking kidding me are we doing this again like seriously that's the correct response until he proved otherwise via actions like everything he says is completely worthless and it's just so unprofit par with the character of jason and janet the three jays as we've talked about all season for them to be like oh good for you it's like shut up like if you're actually friends you'd hold them to a different

standard and you're not doing that and then we get what we were inevitably going to get is the sob story i pushed her away you know i caused so much pain and i think that it got really bad when i when I got fired from the PR and I turned on Brittany because she was making all this money and, you know, as a man, it's like, oh, God, here we fucking go, dude. To me, for somebody like Jacks, it makes a lot more sense that he would be cool with this because you have a sugar mama and you can go do whatever the fuck you want to do. So for him to have this, the funny part of it all is he's trying to reason with both the cast and the audience.

Like, you guys get it. you know, like as a man, like that's, it's like, no, no, you would have been a homeless without her. So we don't agree with that with normal people who are complaining about those things. Like, never. You could throw the most normal person on Bravo into the situation and they could say that and we'd be like, fuck off. Exactly. We're definitely not going to agree with Jacks. Are you kidding?

Fuck, nobody. The way he's talking, it's like, you guys get it. It's like not really dumb ass. And we get more info on the custody agreement. you know she agreed to every Wednesday and every other weekend alternating weekends which you know what that's huge that's huge for jacks so whatever and he should take that and he does seemingly and he's like you know that's where the drug tests come up but then he falls down again because he's like you know the last thing you want to do is uproot our son it's like brother you kicked them out of the house

they lived they went Airbnb hopping which they could afford because brittany this is revisionist history like he wanted to stay in that house then he didn't want to stay in that house then he didn't want to stay in that house now he's saying it's best for him to stay in a house like that like what are you fucking talking about we watched you all season talk about how brittany doesn't deserve to be in that house and how she's not going to be able to handle it and a woman doesn't need four bedrooms and now she's trying to prove which you know what i don't think that brittany necessarily needed to do this because it just gives jacks more ammo but sending him pictures of the flowers to be like look i can handle this it's like don't don't even give him that just

don't even bother there's no reason to do these things but him saying that is laughable it's like what we just watched you contradict yourself in real time all season and now you're saying this is if we don't remember what you said six weeks ago that's a good good way to describe him he seems to think that we all forget if he says something we're going like oh okay like oh i thought something different but you're right yeah my bad and it ends with the rehab conversation you know i went to rehab and i'm glad andy points out well you went back you went twice to rehab quote unquote rehab because and here's a glimpse into recovery everyone I think the second one was a real rehab it was yeah and I'm not taking away from that I will say this not this isn't like a shit on

jack's moment this is just a recovery teaching moment where there's certain things that are very important when you're in recovery especially like your first year of recovery is is so so crucial and one of the biggest things is just simply lying, just lying. And it could be about little tiny things. You know, he admits to relapsing, but the time frame changes. You know, it was like two weeks because two weeks sounds better than a few days after. It's like it doesn't matter. And that's the thing.

You're still trying to spin it to make yourself come off not as bad. But at the end of the day, whether it's two weeks or a month, you relapsed. And look, relapse is part of the recovery process. It happens to a lot of people that are then go on to be. sober for the rest of their lives like it doesn't make you bad because you relapsed it's unfortunately part of it so when i hear those things you know the lying about timelines lying about little things that really don't matter that's when i'm like well it's not working he's not seeing it and he went to rehab again and he still comes out and says drugs and alcohol aren't the problem they'll tell you that in rehab

like the symptoms are drugs and alcohol what you're going through causes he's doing the same thing he learned new things about about addiction and he's spewing that out there and it's like that's again what you learn in the first week at rehab and you're just using that to then motivate yourself later to be like oh it's not my problem yeah it's not my anger under control and here's the problem you keep saying anger is your problem we're not watching you work on your anger so what you're just accepting it you're just seceding to the anger inside of you and you're like I'm never going to be able to change so this is just what's going to happen I'm just going to be clean and sober but we find out that you're clean and sober but you're still picking

fights with Brittany and still going overboard and still using your anger. You're not working on that. So you just keep saying you're working on it and keep pointing to drugs and alcohol saying that those are things that you use as coping mechanisms, but you're not working on the anger. You've identified the problem.

You've just not doing anything. What movie is that? Identify the problem. Fuck. I forget. But I think that's the perfect line from Brittany was well, if this wasn't the cause, then what is? Are you on steroids?

Like what's going on because it hasn't changed? And he's like, well, it's gotten better. And it's like, not really because the way that she describes it is what we watch during the season. There'd be a day where you're trying to be nice. You're trying to be calm. You're trying to talk to her. And then they go on a trip and you're sending rage texts from quote unquote rehab

the whole time. That's the same behavior as what she's explaining now. He came over for Easter. Everything was cool. And then the next day, he's going through my shit. He's counting my condoms. And he's saying horrible things to me. So it's like none of that sounds different.

None of that makes me look at it and go, oh, he's changing. And like you said, if the roots the anger, go to an anger management rehab. Like there is that. Go to a facility to get that taken care of. Don't just address the drugs and alcohol portion because the other part is you can be a dry drunk, which means that you are not sober, you just haven't drank in an extended period of time, but until you actually address the what and the why and the how,

you are not actually fully in recovery because you are still going to revert back to your past tendencies because you haven't learned a different way to do it. That's what it sounds like to me, and that's alarming. I will say this, again, because at the end of the episode, I don't believe his tears, but I will say this. like yeah he is a human being at the end of the day and yeah if he can get it fixed and sort it out

obviously i want that to happen i don't wish addiction on anybody not my worst enemy so for the sake of cruise like i don't give a fuck about jack's taylor anymore but for the sake of cruise and for the sake of a human life i hope he's able to finally get ahead of this thing and address it and not for the show not for brittany not for anything else but himself and his son and that doesn't happen on the camera. That doesn't happen at a reunion. It doesn't happen on social media. It doesn't happen on a podcast tour.

It happens when you close the fucking doors, turn off the fucking screens and just address your problems. And if he's able to do that ever, I will be the first one to at the very least say, okay, congratulations. But until that happens, like asking me to have sympathy for him is next to impossible. Yeah, I agree with you. And one last thing on him, just I think what he's doing with the drugs and alcohol thing, he's sober he probably feels better yeah but he's using that and he's misidentifying himself doing better because he feels so much better he's probably having a normal life he's having you know normal whatever going through the the things that he goes through without drugs and

alcohol and he's realizing wow I'm doing so much better because I'm not leaning on drugs and alcohol but you're still doing the things so you probably feel like you're doing better because you feel better but you're really not perfectly said so perfectly said But let's ask questions. Yeah. This is a really good question from Raven H12. Why doesn't it upset Britt that her bestie Janet and Jason stand up for Jacks all the time? That's a really good point because we always talk about Janet's always been a good friend to me.

Why am I going to turn on her? She's never been a bad friend. She's being a bad friend by supporting Jacks. Absolutely. I don't know. And I'm curious why that doesn't come up. I don't know or understand why Brittany's saying. enamored with janet i don't get it it doesn't make any sense to me and that's a very good point i

didn't even think about that yeah yeah that's really good yeah a lot of people in the comments are saying that they just glossed over the uh the rose bush incident yeah and it's important to address that i mean no that they're not wrong at all i like this one from uh oh go ahead From Daria, PNG, why is Jesse more likable than Jack's question for Jesse's biggest fan, a.k.a. shooter. I was actually going to ask that question. That's the exact question that I was looking at. Because he's charming and charismatic. Charming, charismatic, and there's no domestic violence involved. That's a pretty easy one, I would imagine. Fair. From design, why was Zach seated in the nosebleed seat?

I don't know. I think that he definitely brought more than, let's see, who's on that side? Janet and Jason, he would definitely be ahead of Jasmine. I don't understand. The seating arrangement is bizarre. There's only like four or five people in left. Yeah, Jackson, Brittany being first seats, kind of wild. I don't know.

I think probably if I had to guess, they did this reunion so early on. It was like the episode of three, they were already doing it. Zach didn't really get involved until the end of the season, so they didn't really know how it was going to play with the audience probably. So pushing him up a little bit further wouldn't have made sense at the time. I don't really think it's shade, though. Yeah. Let's see.

We've got a double question here. I'll ask them both of the same. From Ryan Stoneman 83 and from Jill M. Williams. Why does Janet have to make a. comment about everything i don't know she seems to think that she's like the spokesperson for the she involves herself in everybody's fucking conflicts except for her own and then when people turn and talk about her conflicts she runs away and starts making shit up so i don't know i like this it's it's nothing to do with this but it's a funny one from jacky spence prediction will sheena

and brock will shena divorce brock question mark we are under the impression that this was a move to sell books so books i i think it's her application to get on the valley of course um so what i will say is if we have to endure she and m brock on a tv show like the valley and they go through a spit spat and maybe get to a divorce we'll have to talk about it then i'll care right now i don't give a fuck what they do agreed from nerdy bird three one five did you catch a that Kristen is no longer okay with Jesse. I think that Kristen's probably recognizing what Michelle's going through more,

much like a lot of people watching the show. Definitely. And like the thing with Kristen is, as we see with Jacks, like she won't bail on a friendship, but she will hold you accountable. So I don't know. I think that she's probably seeing it through Michelle's perspective a little bit more. And so being less agreeable would make the most sense to me.

yeah i'll do this uh do this one last from mel six six knee or just melny and the sixes or a's i don't know uh who from the cast do you think pays attention to online slash reddit noise i was gonna say jacks but jesse jesse clearly uh janet of course um weirdly i think zach probably does but like in a funny way or he just looks for different things and laughs about them that's what we do i think that's probably it to be honest i don't think anybody else is really like concerned about it yeah they don't strike me as like living in the comment section for the most part yeah the jays jack's jessie janet jason by proxy this one's funny from k lookerwoods was michelle super unlikable to anyone else's

I know she's right, but it. Like, you can't fault her being who she is. I know. It's tough. I mean, that's what I said. Like, if she was on a different show,

I wouldn't really care because she's just like, she's not very interesting. I really don't care about her, but she is right. She is right. The most important thing, guys, is that she is right.

Okay. Let's not not lose the plot on this one. Don't be charmed like Shooter was by Jesse all season. What do you mean was? Is, is currently still. the last one from Nikki 2H when a guy's a piece of shit on a show

I can't wait to hear the bros tear into him hashtag fuck jacks yep hell yeah we we enjoy it too weirdly you know it's fun it's fun to dive into that shit but yeah yeah anyway

this is going to be a doozy of a reunion it's a great start I thought they did a nice job as we talked about but I'm very curious very curious where we're going to go next no idea but there's a lot to get into. So we'll be here, every step of the way.

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