Bros & Shows - Julia Plays Victim and Takes NO ACCOUNTABILITY! (RHOM Full Recap)

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

What's up Bros? First and foremost, Team Guerdy for life. Now onto the episode. Marysol is planning a trip to get some distance between Todd and Alexia. Guerdy is still at odds with a lot of the group (not at all her fault) and we get a cameo from Dr. Jackie who voices how the entire audience feels about Guerdy. What a great scene. Julia brings up tension with her oldest daughters and we don't think we're getting the whole story... Stephanie and Alexia want to "move on" but i dont think we have seen the last of that feud. Guerdy bites the bullet with Julia so they can simply move forward, but from where we are sitting, Julia continues to play victim and take NO ACCOUNTABILITY! It's gross. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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see the Tim's app for details at participating in restaurants in Canada for a limited time. Another week of Miami and another week of me being, confused how anybody's against Gertie. Yeah, this one was less so than recent weeks, at least, because it seemed like we got some, hey, let's just hug and move on. So usually we like those, but this one seems like it needs a resolution, so I don't think

this one's going away. Shows, Bros and Shows, I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Rosen shows. I got to have me my Bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I am your co-host,

Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only South Beach McGeats. What's up, dude? Not a lot. Just another week of Miami being the best housewife show on TV, at least until Salt Lake comes back. I don't understand how people don't always have this in the top two. This is an easy top two for me. It's so easy to figure out.

It's just so well-formatted. It's so well-structured. There's so many people, and they all like each other, know each other, known each other for years. I don't understand how Bravo just gets away from this. It's just such a simple roster for castmates. I don't understand it.

And I know that you guys at home are probably getting tired of us saying the same shit every week, but it is baffling. It really is baffling. The chemistry of this group makes the show great alone, even when they're not getting along. Like, that's the other part of having a group where people are actually friends.

even the bad shit hits harder because you can tell they actually care it's not like the other franchises where they don't actually like each other so they're just throwing shit out there to try to hurt feelings like these are calculated moves to try to get one up on your friend because you're pissed off at them it's so good and it's so frustrating we have to sit here and lobby for it every week because people still aren't watching i i will never understand it it's easily top two and the only reason it's not is because Salt Lake reigns supreme. And we can all agree there. My only guess is, you know, the 400,000 people that watch those other shows that have been on for so long that are just so stale. They don't listen to podcasts. They're not on social media. They're not seeing what people are recommending. They're just always going and they're watching cable TV and they maybe pay for some sort of premium package that gives you Bravo at least, maybe A&A, maybe TLC.

I don't know what they do. And they see the commercials and they go. Ooh, OC's coming back. Oh, Beverly Hills is coming back. Who's that new girl? Can't wait to see what Kyle's up to this year. It's like, whoa, that's crazy. That's not going to move the needle at all.

And you're going to be watching Kyle until she's 85 years old because she's not going anywhere. So that's my only guess is that I think our generation, I think younger generations who are into Bravo, who are into reality TV, see something like Miami. And obviously, you know, there's some problematic things, which we've touched on and talked about in depth on this show. And we'll continue to do so, don't worry. We'll continue to do so as long as it rears its fucking ugly ass head. So I just don't understand why, because it is such good TV. This is what reality TV should be. And we're getting it week in and week out.

We don't get clunkers. I don't understand. I'll never understand those people that will just watch those shows. And yeah, maybe they're putting them on the backgrounds. But I feel like it's appointment television for so many people. And this is one of those shows that you and I are excited to watch. Everybody online who talks about Miami's excited to watch. We never see a bad thing about it.

And like you said, we do this every week. And it seems like nothing changes. So if you're somebody who's listening to us just because you like our banter, just because you like our breakdown of things, but you don't watch the shows, this is something you should watch and you should also listen to us. But mostly you should watch it. But mostly you should listen to us. Mostlyist.

Ah. You should listen to us and watch it. Yeah. Watch it while you listen to us. That's a twofer. There we go. They're three for, because there's two of us. Yep.

That's a good point. Three, three for, three for all. Three for you. Two, two in the hat is better than one in the hand. Two in the bush. I don't know this phrase. I don't know this phrase. This is a weird text.

Hold on. I got to look at it. I got nothing. You're going to look it up. Is it that important? Two in the, two in the bush is better than, yeah, two in the bush is better than one in the hand. There you go. I don't, I've never heard that.

that one i can't say if i like it or not yeah well it's like one of those old timey ones probably uh probably from back in 18 1822 but anywho let's let's get into miami is already is where they lose me immediately pardon the hand that means something way different nowadays gross see it's because people like you that we can't have fun sayings anymore that is that actually probably is true that is very true you gross everybody Oh, by the way, you can see both of us wearing our Eagles shirts. It is Eagles preseason game day. And we're back.

We're back. We're back. We're back. I don't need summer anymore. I'm dumb with it. I'm so over it. I'm ready for fall. I'm ready for football.

Do you remember last year, I guess this year, do you remember when we won the Super Bowl? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do need a gentle and sometimes not so gentle reminder every 48 hours. But, you know, I've got that. worked into my schedule. I just go ahead and I rewatch it. And here we are. I can't wait. But let's not get off on that tangent. We can be talking about it for a while. Let's get into it. We start out with the new besties, Marisol and Julia. And Marisol is planning a trip slash party.

She's planning a party to invite people on the trip. And she is inviting Adriana. So she's decided to take the high road there. And when she lists the things, like we've talked about this all season. And yeah, I get Adriana has a phone to pick with Marisol. They've had this back and forth for years. I'm not saying that Marisol is clean of anything. But at the same time, Marisol is just trying to move on and not address it. And no matter what happens, Adriana brings it up every single time. She just keeps picking is what Marisol says.

And that was what the biggest downfall of the yacht trip was. And we talked about that because Adriana was hysterical. We really enjoyed that. But she also confirmed every single thing that Marisol points out about her. Yeah, no, she definitely does. And I don't want to be a hypocrite because we talk about these types of relationships or lack thereof on these shows all the time. And we always usually get to the point of we're tired of hearing about it,

just move on, coexist. You're on a show that has 15 women on it. We're adding more every week. I mean, we had a Kiki friend a couple weeks ago. Then we got Jennifer, whose friends, who's friends with Marisol. So at this point, there are so many women, there's so many dynamics,

there's so many different friendships, so many different drama pieces going on in the show. I'm fine after three years of watching Adriana pine for their friendships. If you can just move on in a cordial way, and we got a little bit of that later. I don't know if it's going to hold. But I did want to talk about this conversation. First off, I love it.

It's like a good two-factor authentication. Let's have a party to announce the trip, and we're going to try to discuss some things. I think this is really well done. I don't know if this was really Marisol's intent or producer's intent. Not going to say anything about either of them because they're doing a great job. When we get to a party like this, hey, let's try to squash as much as possible before we go on the trip so we don't have lingering issues. I love it.

I think it's absolutely perfect. I think that's a great way to do it. The other thing that I wanted to zone in on when it comes to this conversation, and we've been talking a lot about Julia coming to sit with Alexia and Marisol and she's really trying to get into. that friend group. She's trying to get that inner circle. Did it strike you as much as it did me that Julia was so awkward during this conversation. It struck me as like pretty much what it is. You finally get the invite to the cool kids table and you are so nervous. You are so absolutely sitting on pins and needles to not say the wrong thing, to just be agreeable to say everything's right. And I know what this is. This is still a producer set up like, hey, you two should go out to lunch

so you can announce the trip. Perfect. All right. But what this really is, is Julie. just showing Julia's true nature when it comes to Marisol, when it comes to Alexia. We see her. I know she's had a terrible showing on the show. She's had a terrible showing in public. She's bad. But watching this was like, ugh, like just be yourself. Be normal.

Why are we doing this? Like really? I think you're in. I think you're friends with them. I don't think you have to be like this anymore. But it just felt so awkward for people who were at least trying to or looking like their best friends. It's interesting you said that because I completely agree.

And I think this happens multiple times throughout the episode, not just at this, but when we get them actually at the party, you see it as well. And I think that it's mostly what you said. I think that it's she's finally in and now she's like, oh, well, you're now you're going to talk to Adriana and she's trying to separate herself from that. And she takes digs at her. Like even here she calls out, she's like, Adriana's just mad because I'm drifting away. And the only one messing up the friendship is Adriana. It's like, here you are again with no accountability. you're not understanding and like look is adriana a lot yeah is she putting too much emphasis on

things that probably aren't an issue yeah probably but at the same time we've watched your behavior with gertie we've watched it with adriana we've watched how you've gravitated towards the quote unquote cool kids and how you're acting when you're with them and you're constantly taking shots at other people now you're and you're constantly trying to take their side get their support make them laugh make them smile she's doing everything she can to like play up her role in that new trio. And in turn, she's just lighting things on fire behind her, like her friendship with Gertie, her friendship with Adriana.

Adriana and her were best friends. She knows exactly how Adriana feels about Alexia, exactly how she feels about Marisol. I'm not saying that should hold her back from a friendship with them, but at least be cognizant of what that's going to do to your former best friend and maybe have a conversation with her, hey, I still love you. Like, it's just a new friend. Do something instead of bash your old friends because you have new friends. It's weird.

And this is kind of going back to last episode, too. Julia gets like a C minus in the awareness because she does at least point out. I think it's generous. So I'm going to walk you through my grading decision. Oh, I like that. Like a little good rubric here. A rubric. She at least under, yes, that's exactly what we're talking about.

Yep. Uh, fuck you. Um, so Julia understands why Adriana feels some type of way and she calls it to attention. She's mad at me. She's growing weird because I'm getting more distant. But she doesn't really formulate exactly what it is. It's the fact that you're neglecting Adriana. It's the fact that if it was simply, I'm getting closer to Marisol and Alexia, which we've

kind of thought it was in the first episode, but now we actually see what it is. If it was simply, I'm maintaining friendships. I'm still friends with Adriana. I'm still, you know, sure to have her back. The gertie thing we can leave out for now because we're just focusing on Adriana, then that would be okay in the eyes of the viewer or be okay in the eyes of everybody else if Adriana was flipping out simply just because you were giving these two a chance. That would be weird and it would be on Adriana for that.

And that's okay. But it's not. You're neglecting her. You're not inviting her to things. You're leaving her out. And I know you invited her over to be, you know, I guess you can call it a godmother or whatever and aunt to your two little boys that you just adopted. But you also invited

Alexia. This should have really been just Adriana coming over by herself. And then you can invite Alexia afterwards if you want to. Pitting them against each other, even if you're not trying to, you're making it look like you are pitting them against each other. And worse, you're making it look like Alexia and Marisol are winning.

And you're spending more time with them while neglecting her. So that's why I say she gets a C-minus because she does know that and she does notice that and she does verbalize. That's why she's upset. She's not acting like and we've seen this a lot, especially from Julia. Like, everything should be fine. Like, I don't understand why she's mad at me.

No, I do understand why she's mad at me. It's because I'm growing closer with these two. But at the same time, you're missing everything else after that. So I give you a C minus because you don't really pass. You know, you're close to it. If you could just get that extra level, but you're not really there. I see where you're coming from. I agree.

I just think it's frustrating to watch. We can give her a D plus if you want. This is an open forum. Okay. I'm going to go D plus, the old Tommy boy. D plus. Oh, so I'm going to graduate. But as we know, they're planning a trip.

They're headed to Seville or Sevilla, however you want to pronounce it. I'm going to go Seville. And they call Alexia to invite her because this trip is pretty much about Alexia. Marisol is the one throwing it. So she wants to make sure that she's okay. Get her away from Todd is kind of the central focus of this trip. And they call her like, yeah, we're going to go here, blah, blah, blah. And the first thing she says, she goes, well,

Todd's birthday is November 19th, and Marisol's like, okay, great. So on this trip, no Todd, we're not going to talk about Todd. We're not going to mention Todd. We're going to go and get away from Todd, okay? But during this, we had a juxtaposed scene, I guess. I don't know what this was. So Adriana goes to a dog, what I thought was one of those dog bars like we see on Southern Charm, the one that Shep always goes to.

Like, oh, that's fun, you know, a little dog cat. FAA or something, perhaps. Lisa arrives and calls it a doggy brothel. And I was like, okay, like, yeah, it can't be that. I think it was that. It's sort of like, it's a, uh, doggy dating. It's an erotic engagement or arrangement, rather. Let's call it an erotic arrangement.

Yeah, look, I, I'm not going to go as far as to call it a brothel because it looks like there are two consenting parties because I think that the dog, that her dog mounted. I'm trying to be careful with my wordage here. It's not working. Sounds horrible. What am I supposed to tiptoe around this? It is a doggy doggy dog.

It is a, I'd be surprised if there wasn't an app for this. What do you think an app would be called for this? Pupper. Oh, that's fun. Pupper? And, oh, uh, bone. Bark.

Well, Bury the bone? Oh, God, yeah, that's it. But I would be surprised if there wasn't an app for this. I didn't know this existed. Essentially, she's taking her dog to go to paradise, as she so eloquently puts it. Multiple times. Before he gets a little snippet, there's a little snippet. Which is nice.

Get his rocks off and there we go, I guess. Yeah. He was, I will tell you one thing. She dressed the dog up for his last day. He looked great. To see him with his little sunglasses and his little vest and everything on. He was dressed to impress. Swaggy ass dog, yeah.

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I don't really know, but Adrienne brings up the fact that she's invited to Marisol's trip slash house. And she does regret the behavior on the yacht, and we know that. And I think that we can all agree that this is all a result of just her being jealous of the friendship because she wanted to be friends with those two. And now her best friend is friends with those two. She's just projecting and lashing out. She actually loves Marisol and Alexia. It's just she can't crack the group.

So she just takes shots at them all the time. And at least Lisa, who's having a solid season, might I add. But she just points out that this does seem to be the new group. You got Alexia, Marisol, and Julia. And she even goes as far to say, clearly,

Adriana is on the outs. And that's a bummer. So, like, if people in the group are noticing now as well, I wonder if anyone's going to have that conversation with Maris. Like, Adriana having that conversation does nothing. Marisol is not going to hear it. Alexia is certainly not going to hear it.

If somebody else approaches Marisol, I think Alexia will never hear anything she doesn't want to. But if somebody else, like Alisa, were to go to Marisol and say, hey, can you see why this would rub Adriana the wrong way? Do you think anything would crack through that trio for them to be like, oh, I see why she's acting the way she is? I don't think so I think that they have too much of a history that even if they were to be presented with as much easily identifiable content or information

I still just don't think it I think they're just going to pull a cold shoulder no matter what they're just going to leave her out to dry because they don't want anything to do with Adriana I think Adriana might be which is weird to say I think she might be an easier cookie to crack just because it's it's at least plain and simple like hey this is what's going on do you think maybe you could tone it down a little bit

it's not necessarily marisle and alexia's fault it's more julia's fault i know and i know you're not but i do think that if we were to come out it from that it runs the risk at the end of the day because if you do that you kind of just lot you just kind of have to let adriana go ahead and be herself and work through these emotions as her own and eventually we'll get there but i think if you just immediately say and point out, hey, this is all Julia, leave Marisol and Alexia out of this, she's going to lock on to Julia and it's going to be insufferable. And that's what we've seen the past. When she has an issue with just one person, it seems to be a little bit worse because she will do what she did the Marisol last week on the yacht and make every opportunity a chance for her to go after that

person. So she'll just do this the entire time in Spain versus, hey, this group of three is kind of having a hard time with you. Maybe there's a chance that she'll rein in a little bit. Obviously, we're going to get some blips on the radar. I just don't really think that there's an easy way or even a right way to accomplish this because no matter what you do, it's just going to be rough. Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think there's a way forward really where they're friends. And I think you're really right in saying, like, the only real issue here that could be

solvable or worth talking about is the Julia aspect. Alexia Marisol, we don't want to be friends. We put them in their own category two years ago. It's like, all right, these two over here, the rest are over here. here and some people come and go. So I agree. But moving on from there, we have one of the most necessary scenes

that I've seen in forever. We needed a dirty pump-up scene. Like, so bad. Because we've been watching her shit on. Dr. Jackie makes an appearance and she, I feel like, is speaking on behalf of all the audience at home as well. What we've been watching, the confusion that we're showing because she says all the things that I assume people think about Gertie.

You know, like we all love you watching has been so impressive. You don't look like what you've been through. Like she says all these super nice things and just pumps her up a little bit. That's all Gertie needs. And it, if anything, it just highlights how shitty the group is being because it's a reminder. Like, look at this woman. Look what she's been through. And she's still standing.

She's still thriving. all she wants from her quote unquote friends in Miami is empathy, understanding, some grace, perhaps. But it's like they all forget everything she's been through, including the drink toss. The drink toss apparently never happened. And that's even more true at the end of this episode. Or if it happened, it wasn't it wasn't Julia's fault, which I think is even crazier. Yeah. That's a wild notion.

And watching this scene, it's like, okay, we're not crazy. like this is how people should feel this is how a lot of people do feel about her so thank god dr jacky was there to give her some props and raise her up a little bit and it gets her to the point of realizing you know what fuck these people turn around and wave to your haters because you're killing it we're all on your team at home i know it seems like you're on an island with all these people being so rude to you but we are all team gertie i haven't seen anybody in the comments that's like well julia was kind of right like nobody's doing that so it's nice to hear that verbalized.

Yeah, it's really good to hear that verbalized and more so for Gertie because she must be feeling like she's going insane. The only person that she can talk to really is Russell who, let's be honest, I get it. He's fed up with the whole thing. He probably doesn't want to deal with this shit anymore. She gets a nice scene last week that kind of confirms what we're talking about now with Dr. Nicole, where there's a little bit of both. Like, hey, I wouldn't have let you do that or I would have had some feelings or said something

to you about the things that you were doing. but at the end of the day, you're my friend and I've got your back. That's pretty simple. How hard is that? It's just crazy. It's got us thinking maybe they weren't close enough. Maybe, you know, Gertie thought that Julia and her were a lot closer. But really, the overarching issue is every woman in the group was at that event.

Every woman in the group saw both instances in which she got a drink poured on her, didn't really understand what was even really going on, I'm sure. And then obviously, yeah. And then at Gertie's, they saw the messages for, whatever reason, they're now lashing out about the messages specifically, not the drink throw. So it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in our minds. We don't really get it. So having her have this sit down with a mutual friend, I think that Dr. Jackie probably knows a lot more of them. She probably understands what's going on. If nothing else, maybe she's watched

the show. She can kind of understand the dynamics. But if anything else, it allows Gertie to have an outlet where, hey, am I fucking nuts? Am I going through something over here? Am I just missing out on this. And obviously, you know, we get into the intimacy thing, which is nice to hear, too, because she's sharing a part of her life that we don't really get access to. So good for her. props all around for everybody involved. Yeah, it was, it was just, just comforting to see somebody comfort her finally. But we need to talk. We have to have a serious conversation because I still like Stephanie on this show. I have questions now. I have a lot of questions now. About what specifically? We got.

a comment and I I don't always read into the comments but I've seen a few things about this topic and then it points to how freely she offers up how rich she is and talk about the PJ all the time so apparently allegedly hard alleged Massoud and Stephanie defaulted on an eight million dollar loan for the house that they're building right now the house is also allegedly 12,500 square feet total and this year they were defaulted so badly that they have to give up and sell vows now this is alleged i don't have any proof of this i've heard i told you a comment so like i'm taking this with the greatest call but i've seen other shit out there as well i still like stephanie i'm not saying that this is true by any means but when you take that and some other

rumors that I've been hearing. You pair that up with how freely she's offering up how rich she is all the time. The competition with Dr. Nicole, which originally I was like, oh, that's fun. That's funny. Or is it insecure and she's worried about people finding out? I need your thoughts or feelings. Yeah, I don't think there's enough to read into yet. I think if a credible source comes forward with something like that, which typically happens when a housewife does something wrong or something that's not agreeable with the majority of the audience, then they start to dig, Then they start to find out, which Stephanie already did when she said a few things. I'll watch what happens live where she was taking Julia's side and not Gertie's side

in the beginning of the season. People found out how her and Bissude started to hang out, how they started to hook up and how they got to where they are. So I don't know. It could just be rich people shit. Maybe they just decided it wasn't really worth it anymore and they just gave up on it. Default is a huge, huge word when it comes to that because that means they just didn't pay. So there's a huge difference between defaulting and just selling the property.

who knows if we get more evidence we'll go back to that we'll revisit it but i'm not going to it's not going to hold any weight in my mind right now well not even that do you do you take that and then look at her any differently or is it just until we have more info we're steadfast and stephanie's a good addition to this show yeah i'm not going to look at it differently from that just from a comment i will try it out to as well but let's just say my opinion hasn't changed yeah but but my urs are my urs your urs my ears are piqued up jesus my ears are perked up my errs listen from my urs wow's up huh my urs are piqued up is what i was going to say instead of my ears are perked up i know what you were trying to say but now i'm wondering what else can get

peaked up we talk for a living pardon me how does it get let's just let's just just get to these two idiots. We got Massoud and Stephanie going to dinner with Julia and Martina. As we knew and get more confirmation here, Massoud is just enamored by Martina. Like, he just wants to be around. He doesn't care about Julia or Stephanie at this dinner. And it does make sense. Like, she is one of the most incredible tennis players ever. She's also an asshole. But she is an asshole. And I think that he's really only enamored with her career in tennis, which is fine by me. It makes me like Massoud a lot more. And I'm going to to explain this in a pretty interesting, not interesting, a weird way that makes me like

him more. Okay. His idol, his somebody who he glorifies is a women's athlete. That's great. I love that. And that's, it just kind of paints a nice picture for you because back in the 90s, he would be in his 40s, late 30s, early 40s, watching Martina dominate Wimbledon. That's kind of cool.

I just like that. I think that's great. And he only talks about that. Some people might find it awkward. I still like the guy. I think he's very funny and quirky, talking about her arm. arms and talks like your arms were just but also and compartmentalizing a little bit but since martina's come on the screen all we've really gotten about her tennis career and all the things that

she went through while she was going through her tennis career are what julia says and julia's bragging she's going to her confessional and she's talking about this it kind of puts a light on a not so glamorous aspect about her career where she was stressed out all the time and she looked 10 years younger when she stopped doing it when she retired. So there's a lot that goes into that we never really got because we didn't really get a whole lot of Martino on screen. Again, all the things that she's saying out there are problematic and just downright wrong. But when it comes to her career, there is more to dig into if she ever wanted to.

If she ever wanted to share more about that, if she's going to continue to be on our screens, obviously clean it the fuck up and, you know, go to some like awareness things. Maybe try to open up your mind. Yeah, don't be a piece of shit. But if she's going to continue down this road, I wouldn't. be against hearing more about her tennis career and all the things that she went through because I'm sure being a women's athlete, somebody that polarizing in that world and then coming out, there's a lot of things that go into that and I'd like to hear about it. So I don't

know. I agree with you. And I think that's an aspect they haven't explored enough. And I think she's not willing to. I think this was just like a weird off the beat conversation. And it could be that. I'm just curious because it would be interesting to learn. Again, she's an asshole. I'm not like Martina never to love a fan by no no but you know it's like when we talked about um Charles Oakley on Atlanta like just how monumental of a basketball player he was like I'm curious and this isn't a dig it's just if people aren't like tennis people if people that watch the show are like fully aware of like who Martina is like she is an absolute star so yeah I agree I just really need her to clean up her shit because I'm not

not enjoying seeing the stuff online. And it makes watching the scenes with her and Julia that much worse, especially when you consider what Julia is going through, not even going through what she's perpetuating with Gertie. And we're supposed to be happy. I know. And like we're supposed to be happy for them for adopting these two boys, but it's hard to really be that stoked because they're both being such pieces of

shit. So I hope they clean up their act. I hope they are called out for it as well. But we shall see. We get more into the sister talk. Now, I need more on all. sides of the table here because the twins thing with with Stephanie and

the suit we've heard about now multiple times it's been the same story each time we don't get it any more in depth as to what's going on now I'm at the point now where it's like all right if we're gonna talk about a talk about it just stop mentioning that you don't talk to your twins on the flip side this is really interesting and we didn't get into it all Julia and Martinez two oldest I think they're Julia's oldest and Martinez the stepmother I believe so yeah I think but the two oldest are not communicating with them after the adoption of these two babies. So there's more to this apparently online.

There's more stories that have come out about this. And I don't know if the daughters are talking or if Julia shed more light on it or if it's comments from people who are at least close to one side or the other. From what I've heard allegedly, throwing that word out there again, Julia didn't tell her daughters that she was doing this. It's what I said it might be a possibility. I was like, is it that? Yep. So she didn't tell them at all. She said it's a possibility.

We're looking into it. And this was a long process. We saw this last year that they were considering it. We saw this the year before that they were considering it. The end of last year it picked up some steam. We're going to go visit. We're going to check this out. We're going to do this.

We start this season with everything's good. Everything's gone through. It's confirmed. We're going to be getting the boys in a couple of weeks. Perfect. Awesome. Apparently she didn't leave her daughters any information. It just happened.

day. So it is one of those situations where it's like, did they, were they not able to join the Zoom call? Like, they couldn't join the Zoom call so that you're like, hey, find out the press. Find out the best. Is it one of these situations? Like, what the fuck are we doing here? These are your daughters. And I know they don't live at home anymore. But as early as, you know, the end of two years ago, two seasons ago, you were talking about having more kids and how much fun it would be. And you were having open conversations with your daughters about doing this. And they said, yeah, you know, once you work through everything, I think it would be good for you to just have a purpose, your purpose is being a mom.

This would be great. So all of those conversations that we saw with her daughters seem to be positive. So what happened along the way? And this just seems like it's one of those oversharing moments that I don't think Julia really meant to do where Stephanie is talking about her sisters and how she's not really in their life anymore and they speak a different language. Julia just blurts this out. It's like, oh, yeah, my daughters aren't really happy with me right now.

We're not communicating because I got the, it's like, no, what? This is new information. Go into this. Talk more about this. And I'm interested in hearing both sides, obviously, all the time. But we never really get that because maybe her daughters don't really want to talk about it and they're not on the show. So I don't really know. But I think we definitely need more information if you're just going to flirt this out at a dinner table.

And I think that she did exactly that. I think that it was an oh, shit moment that she's going to look back and be like, whoops. She's so desperate to get in Stephanie's good graces, she's like, oh, I need to relate. I need to relate. I can relate. I haven't talked to my older daughters because they're mad. You've got telling them they have brothers. Whoops.

Yeah. Like you're, it's just, we're adding more and more fuel to this fire of Julia sucks. Like, yeah. And look, I know with families and we like to leave the kids out of it.

I'm not going to go too deep into that. It's just when you look at the evidence that we have, you look how she handles situations, the gertie thing, not being able to get back in the Zoom and then acting like, she told you to go fuck yourself instead of what actually happened. Hey, can you get me back in the Zoom?

no why don't you wait and read it in the papers bitch like that's what this feels like like i get that it's a long arduous process i get that maybe this was like on oh shit like they said like tomorrow we're gonna because i know that happens sometimes like yeah adopted parents or they get a phone call like hey we have a mother she's giving birth tonight and you have the kid tomorrow so i get that but on the way to the hospital call their older sisters call the future older sisters. Hey, guess what? It was a surprise to us too. And I know we're speculating. We don't have the full story yet, but it just, we're starting to see patterns. We're starting to see patterns. And I do wonder, and obviously, I'm just kind of trying to look at this as

unbiased as possible, sort of like what you just said, where it seems like it could have just happened. She did set up a Zoom call with everybody. She did allude to the fact that there's going to be press about this, that we're going to put this out there on the internet. So she definitely had enough time to do this. We don't really know the other side. I don't really know what her oldest sister or her oldest daughters, what their relationship is with their father. Maybe there's something along there.

Maybe they're hearing things. They moved out. They didn't really get as many updates as possible. But like you said, a lot of times these things can happen very fast. So we don't know if maybe they changed their tune. Maybe they said, you know what, you and Martina can't be doing this.

Or, and this is another possibility, all of the things that we've been seeing online from Martina, Tina and Julia about their opinions about things going on and society, maybe the daughters don't want to talk to her because of those things. Maybe the daughters are completely alienating her because of their comments and because of their views and all of the things that are being put out online. And this is just an easy scapegoat. Like, oh, yeah, we brought the boys back.

And I guess that ruffled some feathers and they don't want to be part of us. No, maybe it's your political and societal views. I think that might be, you might have just nailed it. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me, especially because the daughter. are younger but older. You know what I mean? Yeah. That makes a whole lot of sense.

I'm on your side with this now. But they're talking about the Seville trip coming up and Stephanie gives the private jet invite to Julia and she also wants to bring Alexia because of all the Todd stuff. I love it's like I want to bring Alexia on my private jet and this whole trip. Marisol's reasoning for the whole trip for Alexia is to get her away from Todd. Not to give her some R&R. It's literally to physically break her and Todd up.

No talking about Todd. Todd can't come. We're going to isolate you. And you know that they're going to talk about Todd on this trip. There's just no way they're not going to. Now, when it comes to Stephanie, it's, I want to make sure that she's pampered and feeling good. No, no, no, no. This is just to isolate her from Todd.

She's not going through a lot. She's putting herself in that situation because we see, and they do a really good job of this montage, I think, a little bit later, of Alexia breaking down and crying and saying, get me away from this guy. Now she wants to celebrate Todd's birthday. I have to be back by November 18th because Todd's birthday is on the 19th. Fuck, no. We're not doing that. The whole reason for this trip is to get you away from this guy.

So I love that her idea is, I want to make sure that she's nice and comfortable. We're going to put her on the private jet because she's really going through it. It's her own doing. She's doing this to herself and alienating her friends and making moves in the shadows to get back with Todd. And we see later in the season, I guess she's got the wedding ring back on. So there's a whole fucking mess over here. This isn't like she's going through a lot. We got to make sure she's comfortable.

No, she's doing this to herself. Lisa's dad just died. Gertie just beat cancer and is getting eviscerated by the group. Why do you do the dead dad for them? Because we've mentioned that's like kind of a dark trope of this, the reviewing this season. Unfortunately, I just laugh as soon as we bring up. This is also her own doing. It's from the text.

The text that she sent of her dead father in a casket has opened up these comments. I feel bad for her. I'm not trying to make light of it. She started it by texting Larsa a picture of her dead dad. Honestly, the funny thing is where this group is right now, you could point to anybody in the group and say that they deserve a seat on the private jet. Before Alexia, like seriously, Gertie just got over, like just beat her battle with cancer. great

Julia just adopted two boys she's got to be going through hell again I'm isolating these things I don't really feel bad for her she's got to be going through a lot maybe she needs some R&R cool hop on the PJ then we've got Marisol who just got married

let's celebrate how about you come on the PJ then we've got Larsa oh wait never mind yeah no she's breaking she broke up with Marcus that doesn't count no I'm still saying to be fair if I'm just looking at this in a nutshell, Larsa is still ahead of Alexia because at least she's going through a

legitimate breakup, which seems like hell and Marcus is out there trashing her. So she is kind of in a Larsa way going through more than what Alexia is going through. So it's funny when you break it down like that and just go through everybody in there, Kiki's trying to reunite with her dad. I'm going to put her up there because her dad sounds like an asshole. Let's put her up there because she deserves it. And she's just a great person. There are so many other ways to do this. And I just love that it's like, yeah, let's this, this trip's kind of for Alex. see you like no it seems like we're celebrating the fact that she's getting back with todd and she's going to talk her into it i think so and i think that the ring's going to come out

in seville that's my my bet because we got the scenes from now i think that was the mid-season trailer but i do it was a long trailer it did feel like but they didn't announce it like coming up on the rest of this season it was just all that's what they said yeah oh i didn't i must have missed that because it was just all seville it seemed like so that's what no so it's like more to come this season and then they played it out which i feel like this is was episode seven, eight, I guess, seven in season. Really? Episode nine.

I, I, I only know that because I kind of had a existential crisis. I'm like, fuck. We always don't know. I don't want to do this. Well, what happened? No, I had an existential crisis because I'm like, is this show almost over? No, we got. Okay.

All right. You don't want it to be over is what you're saying. I don't want it to be over. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I was like, whoa. Yeah, we're on the same page there. And I don't even know.

Beverly Hills has to come out. relatively like maybe November God I'm just trying to think of what's next I'm not stoked salt lake's got to be September when's the uh Doree kemsley show coming out did you see that what is that I don't know what that is I think somebody made that up right she's tag I truly think yeah um until she announces it I'm not going to hold my breath oh god I'm not going to listen to that announcement I do think this is kind of funny just because you can do this for shows like we should have done it for OC last year IMDB is a lot like Wikipedia, you can add things in there if you have an account set up.

So yeah, we could just, we could just create things. Yeah, just start adding housewives to different things, different projects. That's kind of fun. Yeah, I think we would have to have clearance to add them to like an actual established movie. Like, it would be really funny to like update Dune Messiah and throw Lisa Rinna in there for some reason and just say like she's voicing the sandworm or something. But, no, actually, she'd be a great Ben and Jeserate. Oh, man. Now my mind's watering.

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Conditions apply. Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think. The Stephanie and Julia scene ends with them going to the bar and discussing Alexia. And as we've said multiple times, it's two big, quote unquote, alpha personalities, budding heads. Julia thinks all it's going to take is a conversation. I don't see a conversation going away. Well, I think Stephanie's more likely to not bend the knee, but come to terms than Alexia is because Alexia can't be wrong. So I don't, I don't see a friendship out of this in the future.

I really don't. I'd be surprised if they're able to figure it out. But let's get to Marisol and the party invite in that whole, that whole thing, because that's the majority of the episode. And she's inviting Adriana for Julia. Like that's, she doesn't want to make it awkward for her new friend. and she wants to make sure Adriana is there, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But it's a preppy party, which I like Marisol's style. I love her little bungalow down there in Miami.

I think it's so, so sick. Although I could do without the curtain in the kitchen. That was a little weird. Yeah, but, you know, a little tacky. It's okay. Oh, wow, tacky. Sheesh. Well, they try to take it down.

They try to take it down, you know, but she put it back up. Yeah, yeah, I will say. Now, I love Kiki. Okay, love her. I think she's great, great person, great for the show. She keeps diving out Gertie. And it's starting to get on my nerves because Gertie, who's going through a whole lot right now, was venting to Kiki immediately after once again she was yelled at and belittled and demeaned

in front of the entire group while nobody went after Julia for throwing a drink in her face. So she was venting to Kiki and said it feels like a cult. And it does because of the setup every single time that, any of them do anything wrong. It's not a big deal. If you're an outsider and you do something wrong, now it's unforgivable. So Colt is actually a pretty valid term there. And even if it wasn't, Kiki, she's venting, dude, why are we going to Marisol and Alexia and saying Colt? Why are we telling, I guess it was just Marisol, but like, why are we telling her what Gertie's saying? She's trying to get through this. What the fuck? Yeah, I don't get it. And it takes me back to that party to, you know,

right after Julia throws the drink on Gertie, Kiki was the one who said you have to leave, Gertie. She was the one who was trying to usher her out. So I do wonder, I don't think we've really seen a lot of scenes where it's just the two of them talking. I don't think they're friends. I don't think they're really friends. And obviously, you know, that we get a clip of the two of them sitting down. But before that, I don't remember them ever really bonding or showing any sort of friendship or, you know, any sort of good dynamic. It's just kind of is what it is. Like they're in the same group. So it is kind of weird. I do wonder if maybe Kiki doesn't really care for Gertie that much. She's actually friends with everybody else. That could be a possibility.

Maybe. I just, my whole viewpoint of it is Kiki's always so like level headed and rational. Yeah, she's always been sort of the middle person that's like this is. Yeah. And why are we doing this? And then she would leave, which was her and Dr. Nicole. Yeah. And we would always give her shit for it simply because we wanted more Kiki. So I guess it could just be a byproduct of getting more Kiki is she's involved and she's actually friends with the people that we didn't think she was really that close with. And she's kind of doing that. I don't really know.

But I agree with you. Dining Gertie out in this situation is wild. And again, kind of brings you back to what everybody thinks about Gertie. Like, why are we putting her on the outskirts? Why are we snitching on the things that she says behind closed doors? It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

No, everyone's talking shit about everyone in every housewife franchise. That's not, that's not isolated to this show. So I don't get why that need to be. laid and as they're talking about it, Gertie arrives and you can, this is what breaks my heart.

You can tell that Gertie is trying to enter every situation with a positive attitude and trying to move off. Every single time. She shows up. She's, she's enthusiastic. She brings a gift and then that gets, I didn't like that either.

Marisol's like, I heard it's a re-gift from Lisa. It's like, it's not actually be. It's not. She posted the receipt on Instagram. So fuck you. Like those little tiny comments.

It's like, I don't like that. That points to something else that we've talked about a lot this season. Every time you do shit like that, it's going to raise up that flag. And I'm like, hold on. What do you mean by that? Why is Gertie regifting? Like, why are we pointing that at her?

No, that's a really good point. And that should be something, obviously, you know, it's not said in the moment. It's said in a confessional. That should be something that we talk about the reunion. I know we've got a lot to talk about the reunion. But that needs to be something. And especially because Gertie herself called attention to it on our own Instagram story or Instagram post.

She made a full post about it yesterday. those are the things that we do need to talk about because when we see something like that happened and there's no substantiated evidence as to who she or who told you that she regifted it let's find out let's dig into it that's where i want to have marisault explain who told you that who told you that gertie regifted it from lisa get lisa yeah probably let's go through the whole the whole chain of events and if it comes back to julia then hold her feet to the fire let's just add this into the more evidence more like a bigger folder of here's all the things that Julia has said about Gertie and done about Gertie this whole season.

Why? And then we have to get an answer for it. So I don't, I just don't like it. I don't either. It just, again, seems racist. But, sorry. I don't know how I was to look at it. First off, we don't like it when everybody gangs up on one person on these shows because

it just doesn't make for a good entertaining show. But this is more. There's more levels to this, as we've pointed out over and over again. So it's just not only is it the trope of. of ganging up on a housewife gets really boring and stupid. There's also more levels to this that we talk about that makes it not interesting and makes it incredibly bad to watch. Yeah, I don't know.

I didn't like it at all, but the vibe in there is awkward as shit. Alexia, the faces that she's making, I think she's trying to smile and act casual, and it was scary. Gertie loves Seville. She loves Spain. Okay. Yeah, shut up. Like, just shut up.

You both, you and Marisol need to both shut up. And they're all sitting there awkwardly. And Marisol brings up the Colt comment. Here we go. Immediately, we're going to isolate Gertie while she's there alone. Immediately. We're not going to like tiptoe into it. We're not going to maybe just chalk it up to a, hey,

Gertie was pretty emotional that night because we were all attacking her. So maybe let's take this with a grain of salt. And Gertie tries to explain it away. And I thought she did a great job. She's like, nobody listened. Nobody had my back. So it felt like a gang up. It felt like a cult.

Like no matter what I did. do, I'm wrong, even if I'm just trying to give you my side of the story. And this is what these comments drive me fucking crazy. Because Alexi's like, do you even like want to be part of this group? It's like all she's trying to do is be cool with you guys.

Yeah, she just wants a fair shake. Right. But she can't do anything right. And if you really break it down, she's not asking for much. She's just asking for the same level of respect that everybody else gets. You don't sit here and go behind closed doors and talk about how somebody did something in the group. We see it

every once in a while, and it's never really that big of a deal. It's never really too much to come back from. Gertie hasn't really done anything that's too much to come back from. She just wants a fair shake. She just wants to be treated the same as everybody else in the group is. Not Adriana. Adriana's outlier, but she also does that to herself a lot of the times, and that's okay. She wants the same level of respect that Larsa gets, which, yeah, Larson gets a pass on so many things.

We haven't really seen her do a whole lot this season. She got into it with Lisa a little bit in the beginning, but since then she's been coasting and she'll pop back up. When she does something outlandish, there's at least one or two people that'll come over and try to hear her point of view. When Gertie does something that's labeled as outlandish, nobody comes over and asks her, hey, why did you do that? What's going on here? They'll sit and quietly support. You'll see Stephanie and Lisa and all those people do that.

But we never really get that scene of, hey, let's sit down and talk about it. We have to bring in Dr. Nicole, who's not on the show, to sit down and talk about it. That's crazy. That should be a red flag. Yep. Like we're constantly going outside of the show for any kind of support. in a situation that doesn't seem to like it shouldn't be as deep as it is no like she didn't fuck up that badly she did a housewives move and that's the other thing nobody even read the

text messages at the very least be like hey can i see them like on your phone so i can read them and like understand what's going on but no they're just like no i didn't fucking read that like it was up on that screen i'm not reading that shit we're it's going to take julius side i don't know i fucking hate it i really do this is a party for breast cancer awareness no it's a party for a celebration of life because Gertie got through it. Yeah. Right. So she can do it over the hell she wants. And it's not that fucking deep. But Larsa arrives in a very unpreppy outfit. And I don't like when people do this. We talk about it a lot. She's like, you know, I'm not preppy. That's not how I dress. I don't dress preppy. It's like, it's a theme. It's just a theme. Just try. No one cares. At least. And I don't really care for the comments when Lisa shows up to because Lisa, we saw her talking about this a week before when she's sitting.

down with Adriana, commenting on the fact that she doesn't dress prep, and she doesn't really know what to do, which is kind of funny because isn't she from like that area? Didn't she move to Boston? So it's the same as like Marisol, who's, you know, grew up in Connecticut or spent some time in Connecticut. She has some preppy ties. You have an idea of how to do it. Yeah, we can at least see that Lisa's trying to understand it.

And then she does it in a Lisa way. I thought she did a fine job. Instead, it's, what the fuck is she showing up like that for? That's crazy. Larsa, you didn't even try to do it. If you tried to do it, I do think that if Larissa tried to do it, the outcome would be similar to what Lisa did. So at least try, do something. I don't care.

So, yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, it's like going to a costume party and wearing your regular clothes because you're too cool to wear a costume. Ooh. Everyone starts arriving, though, and Adriana pulls Marisol immediately to go have a conversation, which I like this move. Every time it happens, I just assume that Adriana is going to get activated and it's going to go south. So she pulls Marisol to the side. Hey, sorry for the comments that I made. Marisol goes with, well, hey, drunk thoughts are drunk words or sober thoughts kind of vibe.

Or she's like, the liquor brings out the truth. I don't know if Marisol's able to lock in on this part. And maybe she does know and just doesn't care. Because when Adrian is like, why do you hate me so much? It's like there, Marisol, that's the root. She just wants you to like her. So she's mean to you. She's almost negging you because she's, she wants to be your friend so.

bad. Marisol's very smart. She's very aware. I can't imagine that that is lost on her and maybe that actually adds to the aggravation. It's like, just leave me the fuck alone. I don't want to be your friend. I think so, yeah. Is that probably what it is? I think that's exactly what it is. I think she doesn't care to be friends with Adriana. I think it's been years of doing this and she just simply doesn't want to be friends of her, but she has to do certain things. They have to coexist. And I think that lies the problem. Adriana can't be in a situation where she has to coexist. with somebody. She wants to be friends. She wants to be cordial. She wants to do all of these things.

And I think that we've seen this over the years where Marisol will, Alexia really doesn't do this, but Marisol will extend a coexist branch, if you will. Hey, we can be around each other. A cordiality branch. Sure. We can be around each other. There can be niceties, but all this shit has to stop. I think that once we get to that point where things can be cordial, then Alexia oversteps because she thinks, oh, we're cordial now. Maybe this is an olive branch to be friends at some point. And then once she starts going down that road, Marisol puts a hard stop

to it. And she always has, and she always will. She doesn't really want to be right for her. No, no, no, Marisol puts a stop to it. No, I know. You said when Alexia starts to get comfortable. Oh, yeah, yeah. When, no, I was saying that Alexia never extends a cordiality brand. I see what you say. Okay, okay. But Marisol will. Marisol will do it for the greater good, if you will. And every time that that pops up, every time that we try to get to a good place where everybody, can just be okay and cope aesthetic that's when adriana does overstep and she tries to be friends and she's like oh this is an opportunity for me to be friends with you they don't want to be friends with you it's all yeah i'm going to take a funny doing it's not funny yeah you just got to let it lie and you

overstep every single time so this is probably going to happen again because at the end of this conversation that's where we sit hey we can be cordial everything can be okay there's enough going on in the group and i do love this little breakdown we've got this going on with gerty and Julia. We've got this going on with Alexia and Stephanie. We've got this going on with Larsa and Lisa. We don't need our ship because our ship will always exist. But we can put it away for now so that we can focus on getting these people back into a better spot. What do you say? All right. Good. It's not going to last. It seems like there's a possibility here, but I'm telling you right now it's not going to last only because Adriano will not allow that

to last. They're going for an ODAT one day to time, maybe one day to time. It's not going to take long for this to fall apart. No. And I don't know, I don't know what the root of it's going to be. It's probably going to be a Julia issue that pisses off Adriana and then she's going to yell at them for stealing her friend. Like probably that's what I see happening. But hey, easiest thing, you know, one day to time.

One day to time. One day to time. Let's get to the lunch part of this little shindig. And you can tell Adriana is trying to do the most now because she wants to get in, in her good graces and right away, Marisol is talking. about, you know, her family, her dad's this waspy dude from Connecticut, her mom's from Cuba, so she has an interesting background, and she wants to be more like her father, or she is more like her father than people know. And then Marisol goes from the quote unquote clinical approach.

And she's saying, well, you know, you share more chromosomes with your dad. So you're closer than you think. It was a sweet sentiment, I guess. But it leads to, this is crazy. I didn't know this. She's in a master's program for psychology at Harvard. Yeah. I think it's impressive. When we work through this, I fully believe that that's what she's doing. I do too. Larson's an asshole. Yeah, when we work through it, I don't think that Larson is wrong. I think you probably can pay whatever the fuck you want. And if you're going to pay a lot of money to Harvard, you can do these types of things. Fine. I don't care. It's still cool that she's doing it because she's filling her time. She's not just sitting around hoping that she can do this or that or whatever to get back on the

screen to become a full-time housewife. She's filling her time and she's having a good time doing it. Fine. And she doesn't also, this is a good party to do that. Preppy, Ivy League. Great. Let's talk about it. I've got this Harvard sweater on. Awesome. That's fine. She doesn't throw it in our face every episode. I'm going to Harvard. She doesn't try to diagnose people because she's going to Harvard for psychology. She doesn't try to do anything extra. She just mentions it's here or there. Fine. I believe her. And we're just learning about it now and she's graduating next year. So that means she's been involved in this for a couple of years, as she says, and has never one. mentioned it so the intentions are pure pretty cool i thought it was pretty neat pretty neat to know but the vibes are good because there's a good energy there's a great energy at the gym and everyone's kind of getting along and gertie it's like you know what it's time and pulls julia for a chat instantly shows you where they're acts he's like i'll let you lead the way i don't want to seem too bossy so you can tell that she's like walking on eggshells julia doesn't even hear that reference i don't think to be like oh shit that's where you're at and gertie's trying to as we've seen

in every single interaction we've seen her come into all of these respectful we've seen her come in calmly this happened on the yacht as well she says the right things she's not getting aggravated or emotional she's trying to understand hey where did this distance come from i felt betrayed at the grecian party as we watched because you brought up that question yes in Julia's defense, you can ask this question. You ask it a different way because what you did was vilify Gertie who's sitting next to you thought you guys were cool. And this is where the text eventually lead from is this moment.

Had you said to the guy, hey, Gertie and I have been through it. How do we reconnect when we've been budding heads? Something like that, perhaps. Hey, I threw a drink in my friend's face. How do I come back from that? These are all appropriate questions. The way you did it was when your friend calls you a disgusting name, like how do you move forward. It's like, okay, well, there's too Gertie on the bus, took no accountability for

yourself. And now we're going to act like it's Gertie's problem. Okay, cool. Well, I love too, because we do get a not a side by side, but you know, back to back conversations where we talk to Marisol and Julia. And Marisol's explanation for what's going on with Julia. And obviously she can say whatever she wants is going back to that party. We were fine. There was no issues. They weren't, you know, neither one of them were digging at each other until the party. she starts putting roses in my thing every single time well that's marisol well that's marisol who else did that who else squashed their beef and then did something again so that's funny because you can't look at julia and say well yeah she did that at the party at the narcissist party she was still going after gerty

even though we heard that they had squashed their beef so that's clearly the issue instead they have so many questions about why gerty still feels that type of way or why gerty decided to show those text messages, but you can feel the same way about Adriana, how Adriana was nitpicking, how Adriana was poking at you at that party, but you don't see what happened on the other side of the party because you're a narcissist, obviously. But all in all, I feel like for this conversation, it could have gone a lot worse. I think it's really just, it's kind of sad because Gertie's put in this place where she just simply wants to deal with it and just get through it so that they can get back to a place where it's not a problem all the time and they're not having conversations

about this every day. I think she's willing to eat shit, and it sucks because she really shouldn't have to. In this situation, she shouldn't have to at all. It should be some sort of mutual respect, some sort of mutual responsibility. Again, we don't really see any fault in what Gertie did. But if she wanted to take responsibility, hey, maybe I shouldn't have just blasted you at that party. That wasn't very cool.

And Julia is able to take some responsibility and say, hey, I shouldn't have thrown that glass at you. I shouldn't have done all those things and said all those mean things and outed you for the whole cruise situation which was bizarre they can maybe get back to level footing i think gertie's just willing to do whatever just get me back to level footing so i don't have to deal with this anymore and it sucks it really does it really does that's the only way you can really describe it because i'm glad she was able to voice how she felt i wish that it actually made an impact on julia julia just seemed like impatient and wanting the conversation to be over yep

Because she admits that the texting was expressed the wrong way. Like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have gotten to that point. But I felt cornered. Nobody believes me. Everybody thinks I'm a piece of shit. She's like, they don't think you're a piece of shit. It's like, that's not good enough.

That's not a good enough response. She's telling you how she feels. We've all watched this happening all season long. And you're still acting like, oh, God, like how can you still defend your yourself and it's it's fucking annoying and then because they're so close julius says that's why it hurts so bad yeah okay i'm sorry if i hurt you that's julia's response to gertie saying she called quartered into a piece of shit yeah you wronged me more and if i did wrong you i'm sorry that sucks yeah that's done the apology and we can talk this into a blue

and we already have over episode after episode because we just don't get it and we want it to be differently, but it's not going to be any different. And I think Gertie realizes that. I think Gertie sees this as if this is what I'm going to get is the I'm sorry if apology, then I'll take it because at least it's something and at least I don't feel fucking crazy anymore because she can say, oh, we don't hate you. We don't do this. It's like, okay, I'm going to do this and then we can go back and we can put a pin in this conversation because if it happens again when we're in Seville or thereafter, then we can come back to this and say, what the fuck changed? Because you told me at this party, at the prep party, that nobody hated me.

You told me at the prep party that we weren't trying to corner you. I'm sorry that that happened to you. Okay, cool. Let's see if it happens again. And if it happens again, we had this conversation. Then she can fully cut ties. I think maybe that's kind of what she's setting up, but we're never really going to understand why or what the fuck is going on.

We're really only going to be able to speculate. So I don't know. well don't worry she ends it worse because in a confessional she says i give people chances doesn't mean it that i still don't hurt still know a capability go fuck yourself still let's get you not really sure why you hurt yeah do you think gertie hurts from you embarrassing her and belittling her by throwing a drink in her face in front of a wedding party i don't know i think that that would be pretty shitty there's one more conversation of two people feuding and as marisole was so kind to list the issues in this group earlier when she was talking to Adriana.

Stephanie and Alexia. Let me get back to the Rottweiler thing, which the one thing that frustrates me about Alexia is things like this go over her head. She doesn't understand because the Rottweiler thing and the barking comment, she's like, yeah, dude, but I then called you a Rottweiler because you yourself referred to a Rottweiler. she's like yeah I was being funny it doesn't mean that you keep calling me a rottweiler it's like no you were being mean and belittling her and demeaning her by calling her a chihuahua and then we got into the who's the bigger animal fight which I love those they always make me laugh

yeah but shit like how this is so like classic alexia where it's like you don't you get it right like it's pretty it's clear right you get it everyone gets it I don't know what you're talking about you called me a dog it's like all right yeah never mind in a weird alexia way I actually understood it a little bit better and I think that I kind of knew exactly what Alexia was doing last week on the FaceTime too just because I say it doesn't mean you can say it just because I called myself a dog and a Rottweiler doesn't mean and even though in that conversation which is very odd you made yourself the king you put yourself in the lion situation you put yourself in the Rottweiler's

situation while Stephanie's a chihuahua. Stephanie's eating shit by doing that. Stephanie's agreeing like, okay, if I'm a chihuahua, then okay, cool, you're a Rottweiler. I'm going to call you the Rottweiler. No, no, no. I called myself the Rottweiler. You can't do that because when you do it, you're calling me a dog again. And I don't want to do that. But I can call you a Chihuahua. I get it. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. And I think it just sets up the second part of the conversation of, well, you feel like you can talk down to people. I feel like you like that you can talk down to people. And that's what you get off on. That's what you enjoy doing in this group. And I'm not going to be the one that you do that to whoa whoa whoa whoa bridge too far can't do that that's

not what i do at all i don't like that yeah you chihuahua pipe down yeah like that's the vibe you get from alexia is proving stephanie's point by denying stephanie's point and doing alexia things everyone agrees like she's a great housewife she's perfect for this show yeah but the lack of self-awareness does frustrate me sometimes just watching these scenes and being like like on one hand i'm entertained the other hand i'm like you really don't get it do you like you really don't see the correlation in this and it doesn't it doesn't frustrate me only because it's not a very high leverage situation no it's just like a it's a it's a complete throw away and i think stephanie kind of recognizes that too stephanie's the type of person at least from what we've seen so

far that she's going to get her point across but it doesn't have to be received she just wants to be able to say it out loud like hey this is how i'm feeling about this whole thing what do you think oh cool you completely miss the point whatever i throw it out there still we can move on i don't give a shit it's not that big of a deal it's a really good trait to have as a housewife yeah you point across we don't get stuck on no response like it yeah that's another positive in her her camp but the last there's two things left to cover one this bizarre as we said who deserves the private jet because alexia she declines it because she doesn't want to be away from Marisol, but that also comes

on the heels of Stephanie saying Marisol doesn't want to go because she doesn't want to be away from you. I think that that was intention. The confusion. The confusion is very funny. Wait a minute. You were just saying that I like to be the queen and I like to talk down the people, but you're going to invite me on your PJ? No, that's

just how quickly Stephanie is to realize hey, this doesn't mean anything. It's just fucking stupid. Let's move on. Do you want to come on the private jet or not? And I don't think Alexia is used to that. Like, whoa, do we just move on? Are you? We just become best This is weird. This is a very weird negotiating tactic.

It's like, no, I think Stephanie realized that she doesn't give a shit and she's not going to get anywhere. So, hey, do you want to come on the private jet? Since this is pretty much your trip, even though it's not your trip and you're not going to get over Todd, well, well, Lexia declined it. I'm sorry, Marisol declined it because you can't come. Well, then no. I mean, that's really touching that Marisol will do that.

I'm going to ride with her, obviously. All right, well, there's still a seat open. Let's just go through who the fuck wants to come on this jet. Yep. And we have Larsa because she's the closest. We have Julia because they're friends now. And you have Adriana or Kiki. I like that Kiki gives up her seat and allows Adriana to go because Stephanie's like,

I don't really know her that well. It gives me a chance to know her. So I was like, that's a nice move. I didn't see this coming. God, I love it. This is great.

And this is, she's had multiple moments where like it's out of left field and it lands so well. This is, it's an actual integral factor to the season, Adriana and Julia's relationship. Usually when Adriana hits on these things, they mean absolutely nothing. It comes out of left field like this one does, but it's not something that we're really talking about. It's not something that really needs to be discussed in the grand scheme of the season. So it doesn't really hit as hard for the audience because we're like, oh, God, what the fuck. Like, nobody cares about you and Marisol's friendship or lack thereof.

Why are we talking about this? Why are you taking digs? There's no point. You're not going to get anywhere. Instead, this is something that we do need to talk about. And it has to do and stems from Julia's treatment of her friends now that she's moving closer to Alexia and Marisol. So let's do it.

I love that this came out of left field because everybody else was like, all right, cool. Party's pretty much over. We figured out who's going to be on the private jet. We can take our little goodie bags and get the fuck out of here, right? No, actually. Wow, it feels really nice to be included. I'm happy that somebody just wants to get to know me. but also my friend is already on this plane she didn't want to give up her seat if i wasn't there

what the hell it must be nice to have friends like that meanwhile alexia marisol feel like they've been complimented they're like oh yeah that's nice wow you're such a good friends they're basically hugging and crying because adriana called that to attention everybody's looking at them like wow you guys are such great friends thanks a lot for the little assist there adriana it was just a step so that she could get after Julia. It's a win-win situation. It's an L for Julia. And also, and I'll acknowledge, you know, it could have been a production moment.

We know that they insert clips of faces that people are making and stuff like that. But if this is real, and I would imagine that she does this. I think it is, yeah. As Adriana is mentioned to potentially be one of the passengers of the private jet, Julia is over there rolling her eyes. Like, yeah, right. And then she gets picked and Julie seemed kind of stunned. And then when she calls her out, it was great.

She's like, my supposed best friend would never do that for me. You know what I admire about you too? You're ride or die for each other. You guys, it's such a beautiful, beautiful thing. And Julia's like, I love how taken aback she was. She's like, wait, what? What are you talking about? She's like, you would never not go in the private jet just because I was not.

You didn't even mention me when you got your invite to the private jet. And it's so clear why. and I love that it came out in this moment because again, she wants to be friends with the cool kids. Alexia and Marisol are the cool kids on Miami. Stephanie is super rich with a private jet. You want those things.

You don't care about Adriana and her dog brothel and all that shit. So it was so good that this came out. It was so well done. It was perfectly. I don't think it was the first time this season. No, I know, but I don't think this was her intention so I can't really get her full props for it.

I'll give her props because it was a great moment. I'll give four props. But the intention, it was masterful the way that she was able to discuss this because what you did was compliment in the nicest way possible to Marisol and Alexia, which immediately puts them in their own world where they're now talking to each other. Like, I love you so much. You're such a great friend. They're not going to back up Julia.

Julia is now weirdly out on an island because of the way that you did this. You let those two just live in their own little world and compliment each other. they're not paying attention to anything anymore they don't care and that's really the root of their friendship when it comes down to it it really is the two of them against everybody else it never really gets pitted that way but they're going to go ahead and just live happily over here now i can call out julia because i've got the wolves off my back i can go after julia and nobody's going to come to her defense this is great yeah i agree with you i don't think that was intentional it does work out that way but what it does is we we talked about this the minute that

we found out Julie was trying to get closer to those two. She will be left out at some point. Oh, absolutely. She will catch the wrath of Marisol and Alexia and realize that they're not actually her friends because we've seen it multiple times. We know how they operate. They're right or die for each other. Absolutely.

And it is a beautiful thing. It's fun to watch. And they're fun to watch together and they're great for TV. Yeah. But try to infiltrate that group, it's always those two above everything else. And Julia's going to be on the bad end of it. And I'm curious about that. the reunion because now there's rumors that Alexia's been out there saying in like

podcasts and things like that that after watching some of this season she's team gertie so this we knew this would happen we didn't know when it was going to happen we've been calling it every episode at some point she's going to be on the outs it's just a matter of time and then when she is the only thing that sucks is that Adriana will lovingly welcome her back like immediately it's going to take one apology it will so It was the conversational equivalent of like a burglar trying to get past a couple of dogs. I'm using the dog analogy very easily. Throwing a big chunk of meat over there.

Oh, I'm going to keep the dogs occupied so I can get after what I really want to. I'm going to leave those two out there, keep them occupied with each other, which is what they really love, and I can go after Julia freely. This is great. I hope she uses that tactic again. Totally agree. But let's get to some questions.

Ooh, we got a lot. I like this. More people are watching. I'll just answer this one quickly from me, Ellie Dogg. Who would you choose from a different show to bring sense and stand by Gertie? Well, I would bring Dr. Nicole back first and foremost.

But shit, after that rave review from Dr. Jackie, bring her on over. Well, it depends on what they want to do with Married the Medicine. I don't know if Dr. Jackie's actively on Married to Med, but I have some questions because we saw Fager come over to Atlanta. Are they like reshaping that franchise?

I'm not entirely sure. Zoe killed the Palais did not know that dog brothels exist. Join the club. Don't join the dog brothel club. We didn't join the club of not knowing that they existed. Yeah, exactly. From It's Sin, if you had a PJ, which three ladies would y'all invite on your jet?

From this franchise? Yeah, from this franchise. Gertie. Kiki. Kiki, third spot is open. Right now, Adriana. I don't know. I think she would really, it's the same thing as the yacht last week.

She would get annoying after a while. Stephanie, maybe. Stephanie or Lisa, depending on where Lisa is. Lisa's just like neutral as shit this season. So she, but I feel like, nah, Gertie Kiki and Marisol. Yeah, that would work.

That's my trio. Ryan Stoneman, is it just me or is Adrietta becoming more likable this season? She's having a great year. Not just you. Every week that she is likable, I think that my guard is coming down. I know. It's kind of fascinating to witness. Like, I don't know.

She's doing great. She's really doing great. Oh, this is interesting from nine innings. with nat do you guys see the similarities between the way alexia treated dr nicole and now stephanie yes i do yeah very wealthy people really good point yep that is a very good point it's it all wreaks a jealousy for sure oh this is a good theory from jlin d six nine three theory girls are trying to push out gertie so marisaw can be full time i don't know about that one Um, because I, mostly because I don't really know how the, uh, the full time stuff works for

Miami. Marisol's been on the show for a very long time. Kiki's been on the show for a few years. They seem to only get friends of. I don't really know about the structure for that. And I don't know if they even know about the structure for that. Um, I don't think that's what's happening now. I, I really don't.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. I need to look at the reunion chart real quick. I have it pulled up because I saw that from, uh, Roger, Dodger, 75. We have first chairs are Stephanie and Alexia. So I'm assuming that things get worse and worse for them. The left side of the room is Stephanie, Lisa, Gertie, Adriana. The right side of the room is Alexia, Larsa, Julia, Marisol, Kiki.

Whoa. That actually, I think that makes sense, to be honest. The sides makes sense. The sides definitely makes it. The sides are the most, the order is tough. the order is never what we want um but i mean it makes sense i would probably flip gertie with lisa and put lisa's third chair on that left side and i don't i just don't know i think julia's going to be involved in a lot of that stuff and gertie's going to be involved in a

lot of that stuff i'm okay with it after looking at it i don't think there's not there's not a lot that you can really do with that because you can't really put the friends of any higher up that's that's fair um i got to google one more thing elliot from ralando did you see isaac miss rahi's abominable comment on watch what happens live regarding gertie i did not because i didn't watch that watch what happens live i'm looking it up hold on i'm so glad you threw that water at that lady isaac boldly told julia i liked her but otherwise what would the season be I don't like that at all.

Who the fuck is Isaac Mizrahi? Yeah, that's the better question. Who the fuck is this guy? Honestly, I don't even know what he looks like. Images. American fashion designer and actor. All right, dude, go fuck yourself. I don't know how fuck you are.

I don't really care. That's stupid. That's dumb. Yeah, that's demean and belittle a woman. Because what else would we be talking about? There's lots of stuff on this show. That is like twofold. One, you're negating the greatness of Miami.

That's what you're doing. You're saying they can't stand alone without the water toss. Go fuck yourself for so many reasons. I'm poor Garty. We're team Garty. Team Garty for life. Yeah. Some miserable fucks out here.

Got me all hot and bothered. Not in a good way. Not in a good way at all. You see any other ones in here for a last good one? Let's see. We can get one more good one. Let me refresh. Maybe we got a new one recently.

no madison lecoy looked at our story no big deal all right let's see what we got um oh this is just a good point it's a good point nothing too deep but from melanie perham Stephanie has a bigger plane than dr. Nicole but can only take three people to spain question mark good point maybe I see this is where we're out of our depth but maybe there's a separate plane that can go transatlantic than actually can go. They don't have two planes. They might have two planes. They don't have. She would have said I have two

planes. That's a possibility, yeah. And why would the smaller plane be able to go transatlantic, but the bigger plane? Yeah, I don't know. That's what I said. I'm out of my depth. I don't understand all these things work. You're out of your element, Donnie. Maybe Stephanie's bringing a team with her or she's got seats

for dogs or something. That I could see actually. Or Massoud's like tagging along to go somewhere else. I can see that. I've been having an indigestion the whole time. You got anything else? No. That's her a show, bro. You got to go?

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